These videos might interest you if you looking for help with fear of falling. This one is 1st part of 3 part series ruclips.net/video/27P4My6ItqE/видео.html This one is Adam Ondra talking about his experience ruclips.net/video/DkLfb92Ly9U/видео.html
I exactly. Outdoors is a different game. I would rather go onsight many 6bs on many rocks in the area in his state of training. You gotta learn toneead the rock first. 7b is completely out of reach rightfully at that early state he is in. You gotta put in some patience, 7b doesnt come over night
This was an excellent video series - I’d love to see more made like this. I was surprised to see how many critical comments were up voted. Yes it isn’t perfect but it is entertaining, well made, and a lot better than most climbing videos on RUclips.
Yes. And no. When u want to have fun climbing then go for it, do some easy stuff that u like... but if you wanna progress u have to train hard, go through pain and track your grades and set goals. These are 2 different sports
@@elshoko7105 I guess it depends on what you mean by "track your grades". If someone is normally challenged by a 5.11, then they probably shouldn't go climb a 5.14, but a lot of climbs within the 5.11-- 5.12 range should be possible. I mean, I've climbed some 5.10d that I thought was harder than some 5.11 routes. I think the original comment is just saying to not put too much emphasis on the grade because it's so subjective, and that if you climb 5.11, but see a 5.12 that looks fun, to not let the grade scare you away from getting on that climb.
Depends on your issues to be honest. If you're simply too weak to climb it, sure, you probably won't get there. However, if the issue is psyche, fear of falling, etc., it's definitely possible to go for such a big jump in grade.
@@UnicycleSoul The issue was experience outside, he had climbed 6c indoors but very little outdoor sport. Was way too ambitious, impressive he got as close as he did.
So I should stop climbing for a month, go running and do antagonist work and I'll be sending 7a in no time? I feel like we missed a lot here... Never one mention of fear of falling either. Lame.
Exactly we didn't hear the plan Neil gave him in the first video. And last video he didn't send the 7a clean. Then this one they show him leading it without even a warm up on it despite been out for just over a month with finger injury. The editing wasn't great for this series. Still interesting stuff especially from Neil Grisham.
I love this series but I definitely think that a big distinction between onsighting and projecting must be made. A lot of people can project 7a/7b routes but to climb those grade on a regular basis (and especially to onsight) is a different story. I really like the big difference when someone is being trained by a professional, it's quite astonishing to see the difference in the speed in which the climber improves
Chasing a number is stupid. Rock climbing routes have names for a reason! ;-) Just being outdoors instead of stuck in a stinky old gym is a major win in itself. Once you've spent some more time outdoors you will realise that the line is more important than the grade. Beauty is more important than numbers. Your grades will improve over time, just be persistent and consistent over the years - you will get good.
What is really sad about this series is that the name is simply off. It's misleading and sad for those who came to watch something on that topic. Besides that this series is very cool and very well done! Just change the title
Realistic goal setting is the key. Going from 6b(+?) to 7b for an average person is just nuts in this short amount of time. Instead why not setting your goal on comfortably sending multiple 6c, then 7a and after that 7b. Ego is the biggest problem I see out there. Why is the number such a big deal?
Anne R well they’re talking about projecting and not regularly reached grade so that’s not out of reach. And i think it is about going to his limits, and that’s translated into a grade because that’s how climbing scales difficulty. It is so interesting and fun to search for the limit of our ability in climbing! In the end he had to reassess his goals to 7a because that was his actual limit, and it was fine ...
This series was actually disappointing due to false advertisement. NOTHING about fear of falling by a non-6c climber. WTF? "Ben dreaming big" would have been the appropriate title..
To be fair it could be metaphorical, whereby he’s pushing himself so far from from his comfort zone, and he’s afraid of pushing himself and falling back down...we appreciate u watching it, but if u still didn’t like it after watching three episodes just because of the title, maybe something else didn’t resound with you, which is fair enough as not all content is for everyone, appreciate the comment, EpicTV
@@EpicTV Thanks for the comment. I was following the series, and enjoying it. I was waiting for the fear of falling part, like everybody else. The anti-climax, of "it's not there" was just really disappointing.
As someone who's consumed a decent amount of fear of falling videos on youtube lately, I feel like the fear of falling part was not actually super missing, it was just subtle and easily missed -- especially from those who are looking for tips on getting over fear of falling! I'm projecting a 6b, so I'm no 7b climber or mental coach, but here's what I got out of it. Obviously, raising your onsight grade is much harder than your redpoint grade. Just like it's hard to walk up to a 7a and know the moves to onsight it, it's also hard to walk up to a 7a and trust the falls/not get scared above the bolts. Projecting will help you with both things! Toproping is good for learning the moves, and having confidence in the moves is a great way to fight the fear, but going bolt to bolt here is the real mental exercise. Don't let yourself get too stressed, stick clip if you have to. Do takes on each bolt, so that you stay fresh and calm. In general you should feel less afraid -- you have a clip stick if you need it and small goals. Your goal is to practice the moves as close to a performance situation as you can, with as little stress as possible. You can take practice falls -- either purposefully or accidentally! -- so that when you're attempting your redpoint you aren't questioning whether the falls are safe. This won't make you unafraid of falling on your next route, but it can make you unafraid of falling on your current route. And just like how learning the moves on one 7a helps you pick up the moves on the next one faster, you may find that overcoming your fears on one 7a will make you less afraid on all routes in the future, or at least, make this mental projecting process quicker. Eventually, you can get to the point of second-go-flashes, where you go bolt to bolt once up a route, then send it second go. And later still you may become a solid onsighter mentally. Of course, these tactics won't help everybody, but, from what I've seen, they are what's holding back a LOT of non-7a climbers, including myself. I've only applied some of these tactics on one route myself so far, but they have absolutely helped me. So in essence, I think they show many or most of the projecting tactics to overcome fear of falling...they just don't explain the bigger picture when they show it. Hope that helps.
@@t.m.4808 Naah - sorry jump 5 grades in 4 months? - dream on! Remember Adam Ondra did not project a single route for the first several years of his career, only onsight within his grade. His consolidated base was MASSVE!
What’s with the “Fear of falling” if that is never really addressed in any of the videos?
These videos might interest you if you looking for help with fear of falling.
This one is 1st part of 3 part series
ruclips.net/video/27P4My6ItqE/видео.html
This one is Adam Ondra talking about his experience
ruclips.net/video/DkLfb92Ly9U/видео.html
@@BatuYangHidup these are fantastic thanks!
@@Schyluer your welcome
If you're not happy with climbing 7a after doing zero lead outdoors in 4 months there is no pleasing you
harsh but true
You can see he is actually still buzzing for the 7a, just acting like he is disappointed 😂
I exactly. Outdoors is a different game. I would rather go onsight many 6bs on many rocks in the area in his state of training. You gotta learn toneead the rock first.
7b is completely out of reach rightfully at that early state he is in. You gotta put in some patience, 7b doesnt come over night
4:08 "haven't even completed 6b, 6a..." to 7a is quite a leap
This was an excellent video series - I’d love to see more made like this. I was surprised to see how many critical comments were up voted. Yes it isn’t perfect but it is entertaining, well made, and a lot better than most climbing videos on RUclips.
This is going on when you focus on grades. Forget grades, just climb something challenging and have fun.
Amen
Double Amen
Yes. And no. When u want to have fun climbing then go for it, do some easy stuff that u like... but if you wanna progress u have to train hard, go through pain and track your grades and set goals. These are 2 different sports
@@elshoko7105 I guess it depends on what you mean by "track your grades". If someone is normally challenged by a 5.11, then they probably shouldn't go climb a 5.14, but a lot of climbs within the 5.11-- 5.12 range should be possible. I mean, I've climbed some 5.10d that I thought was harder than some 5.11 routes. I think the original comment is just saying to not put too much emphasis on the grade because it's so subjective, and that if you climb 5.11, but see a 5.12 that looks fun, to not let the grade scare you away from getting on that climb.
You kinda have to or else you’ll have to bail on gear on the wall lol
“Climbs 6c”. Oh actually hasn’t. But wants to climb 7b in 4 months. Sure. Set yourself up for failure and then be super devastated.
Depends on your issues to be honest. If you're simply too weak to climb it, sure, you probably won't get there. However, if the issue is psyche, fear of falling, etc., it's definitely possible to go for such a big jump in grade.
@@UnicycleSoul The issue was experience outside, he had climbed 6c indoors but very little outdoor sport. Was way too ambitious, impressive he got as close as he did.
So I should stop climbing for a month, go running and do antagonist work and I'll be sending 7a in no time? I feel like we missed a lot here...
Never one mention of fear of falling either. Lame.
Exactly we didn't hear the plan Neil gave him in the first video. And last video he didn't send the 7a clean. Then this one they show him leading it without even a warm up on it despite been out for just over a month with finger injury. The editing wasn't great for this series. Still interesting stuff especially from Neil Grisham.
Yeh I have to agree, lacking in substance
Yes, really promising begin, kind of a shallow 2nd and especially 3rd part
It should be retitled as ''Fear of failing''
I really enjoyed this series. Would love to see others with beginners!
Yes Ben! 💪
Love a happy ending! 🎉
linear curve wins in the long run
I love the oxymoron ahahah
confused ha. If you set a line against an exponential function the linear function will get rekt
I love this series but I definitely think that a big distinction between onsighting and projecting must be made. A lot of people can project 7a/7b routes but to climb those grade on a regular basis (and especially to onsight) is a different story. I really like the big difference when someone is being trained by a professional, it's quite astonishing to see the difference in the speed in which the climber improves
Chasing a number is stupid. Rock climbing routes have names for a reason! ;-)
Just being outdoors instead of stuck in a stinky old gym is a major win in itself. Once you've spent some more time outdoors you will realise that the line is more important than the grade. Beauty is more important than numbers.
Your grades will improve over time, just be persistent and consistent over the years - you will get good.
This is an epic mini series. Lots of solid advice too.
very well done, Ben. you've really learned and achieved tons along the journey. Be ambitious but attentive
What is really sad about this series is that the name is simply off. It's misleading and sad for those who came to watch something on that topic.
Besides that this series is very cool and very well done! Just change the title
For real right?? Good info and insights, but absolutely no connection to the main title
Realistic goal setting is the key. Going from 6b(+?) to 7b for an average person is just nuts in this short amount of time. Instead why not setting your goal on comfortably sending multiple 6c, then 7a and after that 7b. Ego is the biggest problem I see out there. Why is the number such a big deal?
Anne R well they’re talking about projecting and not regularly reached grade so that’s not out of reach. And i think it is about going to his limits, and that’s translated into a grade because that’s how climbing scales difficulty. It is so interesting and fun to search for the limit of our ability in climbing! In the end he had to reassess his goals to 7a because that was his actual limit, and it was fine ...
Go on my lad, this is inspiring.
My finger has recovered, I need to set a goal too.
Fear of falling? This whole video series is like walking into mcdonalds expecting a burger and some guy brings you a bag of croutons
Maybe the title is misspelled and should be "Fear of FAILING"? ;-)
good for him
Would love to know what Ben is climbing now? 3 years on 👀
Feels like the whole thing was made up with a message being not setting goals to high
Wow, this was probably the worst content from epic Tv I had a chance to see. Not even mentioning the titles have nothing to do with the videos
Great series!
This series was actually disappointing due to false advertisement. NOTHING about fear of falling by a non-6c climber. WTF?
"Ben dreaming big" would have been the appropriate title..
To be fair it could be metaphorical, whereby he’s pushing himself so far from from his comfort zone, and he’s afraid of pushing himself and falling back down...we appreciate u watching it, but if u still didn’t like it after watching three episodes just because of the title, maybe something else didn’t resound with you, which is fair enough as not all content is for everyone, appreciate the comment, EpicTV
@@EpicTV Thanks for the comment. I was following the series, and enjoying it. I was waiting for the fear of falling part, like everybody else. The anti-climax, of "it's not there" was just really disappointing.
As someone who's consumed a decent amount of fear of falling videos on youtube lately, I feel like the fear of falling part was not actually super missing, it was just subtle and easily missed -- especially from those who are looking for tips on getting over fear of falling!
I'm projecting a 6b, so I'm no 7b climber or mental coach, but here's what I got out of it. Obviously, raising your onsight grade is much harder than your redpoint grade. Just like it's hard to walk up to a 7a and know the moves to onsight it, it's also hard to walk up to a 7a and trust the falls/not get scared above the bolts. Projecting will help you with both things!
Toproping is good for learning the moves, and having confidence in the moves is a great way to fight the fear, but going bolt to bolt here is the real mental exercise. Don't let yourself get too stressed, stick clip if you have to. Do takes on each bolt, so that you stay fresh and calm. In general you should feel less afraid -- you have a clip stick if you need it and small goals. Your goal is to practice the moves as close to a performance situation as you can, with as little stress as possible. You can take practice falls -- either purposefully or accidentally! -- so that when you're attempting your redpoint you aren't questioning whether the falls are safe.
This won't make you unafraid of falling on your next route, but it can make you unafraid of falling on your current route. And just like how learning the moves on one 7a helps you pick up the moves on the next one faster, you may find that overcoming your fears on one 7a will make you less afraid on all routes in the future, or at least, make this mental projecting process quicker. Eventually, you can get to the point of second-go-flashes, where you go bolt to bolt once up a route, then send it second go. And later still you may become a solid onsighter mentally.
Of course, these tactics won't help everybody, but, from what I've seen, they are what's holding back a LOT of non-7a climbers, including myself. I've only applied some of these tactics on one route myself so far, but they have absolutely helped me.
So in essence, I think they show many or most of the projecting tactics to overcome fear of falling...they just don't explain the bigger picture when they show it. Hope that helps.
Great job.
nice one ben!
Wait he actually hasn't climbed 6c? Hahah wtf. Isn't that was his redpoint was? Also "the fear of falling" isn't really addressed in this series.
bit pretentious to assume anyone can just go from 6b+ to 7b just because?
isnt that hard if you train with a training plan. It's a completly different story to climb 7b on a regular base than to project it.
@@t.m.4808 Naah - sorry jump 5 grades in 4 months? - dream on! Remember Adam Ondra did not project a single route for the first several years of his career, only onsight within his grade. His consolidated base was MASSVE!
Great end to the series, hope to see Ben again. What a great guy 😊
Classic adult who was never told no as a kid