I do also like minimalism. but Josh is not adding unnececary stuff to the left for no reason. Original game runs in 4:3 and you cannot have adequate 16:9 without mods, it just stretches without actually changing fov and this is ugly. As Josh cannot use mods as he is mostly speedrunning, he made this layout that keeps video 16:9 with the game 4:3
It was sent to me and suggested as the thumbnail by my discord chat... the full thumbnail they sent was much much worse than the one I went with ahahah
2:53:20 Me, only listening to the video with my right earbud 💀 3:59:34 You... gained health as you fell down o.o 5:34:54 That jetpack saga/fiasco was amazing
The weird blur effect that appears behind cars traveling at speed appears to be Temporal Anti-aliasing. Instead of the ghosting most TAA suffers from, the devs appear to have applied some really terrible motion blur to the TAA instead. If you swap to FXAA, there's some odd shimmering around the bottom of the car, but it's not as eye catching as the BIG BLUR ZONE with TAA enabled.
wait josh i have run gta definitive edition on youtube as my main game, you cannot super sprint on keyboard but you can if you use a controller attachement. I switch between both controls and found this out its weird.
It's always funny when Josh plays DE and the chat either makes up things that DE got wrong when they were already in original SA or they overreact to bugs and visual issues when Josh is just like "huh, how about that".
It's not beyond salvation. Will it be good eventually, as long as they try? Probably. Am I expecting it to be at the quality it once was when I played it on the PS2? Probably not.
Just a minor thing, not sure if it's just me but it seems like they haven't fixed or re-implemented the ability to cancel the closing car door animation. You still have to wait for CJ to fully close it before you're able to control him again. It kind of ruins the pacing a little bit for me.
The story in this version is different from the Netflix version when they introduce Mike Toreno. The Netflix version changed the story slightly when introducing CJ to Toreno, but this version uses the same old story that the original SA uses. The main part I noticed is the Netflix version doesn't have the scene where he grabs and looks at CJ's wallet.
The game is dark because the Contrast is set too high. Contrast: 3/20 and Brightness: 7/10 are my settings. The devs made the gamma way too dark, so its hard to make the game look right.
All they had to do was (follow the train CJ) port the PC version, add the PS2 lighting, up the resolution and that would've been good enough. Running the game files through an AI upscaler, porting it all to a different engine, messing with the models, physics and animations etc... Why make it so complicated? It feels like game devs get more and more incompetent as time goes on.
the graphical engine the og trilogy ran on got killed by EA and is unavailable to use the hard path would've been to do something like re3/reVC and re-write everything from scratch this was the easy choice - the og game is still running underneath, they just threw out the renderer and replaced it with a new one
@@ketrub what do you think makes it awful? I think having high res textures with low poly count looks awful. In general theres is this unevenness and mismatch to the whole aesthetics overall I think.
The lighting is not the same and will never be the same. The original PS2 version had the orange lights only during sunrise and sunsets. This one looks like just tinting the screen. It's not good.
4:38:07 Same numbers on clock we had when I was growing up. IIII = 4. Common numbering for some reason? 06:37:04 What is that PED on the right sidewalk?
It's not fixed yet. We still need a couple more patches. This game needs a little more work, but it's not beyond salvation. Whether Rockstar (or VGD) follows through with that remains to be seen. It's hard to tell if this game is going to be patched again.
2:12:52 is the echo here for dialogue in the cutscene a DE thing? Or a this version DE thing? It's definitely not in the base games i think it's so weird.
There's a misunderstanding about that view of CJ: that was already there way back on the original PS2 version and the game was made with the PS2. You could see that sight when on a vehicle like a tractor with the camera in the 'in-car' view. I'm guessing a lot of people never looked back on a tractor in the 'in-car' view before the 'Definitive Edition'. I found it silly when I looked back on a tractor in the in-car view, made me laugh. It's part of the cartoonishness :D .
Was hoping I could comment again about something else. Been watching the video, currently at the San Fierro part, I think it's the high contrast that's making color tones look stronger, think you want to have the contrast adjusted less than the brightness. Just helpin'. :)
Graphics wise, this looks perfectly acceptable now tbh, they just need to fix those *terribly awful* character models, and occasional floating rocks & grass etc lol edit: spoke too soon lmao, mt chilliad shouldnt be visible from los santos, no?
That's thing with the cars is something to do with the car models are loaded. They're on like a disk. I've played these games since I was a kid and never noticed but once I've seen it you can't un see it. Sometimes it's more noticeable but this is still a thing with GTA V too that's where my friend pointed it out. However I think it's alot better handled and less apparent in the OG games.
Honestly I think SA's map size is perfect. It's big enough with enough variety that it feels substantial, but not so big that getting around is a chore.
What would I expect from DE can be summarised as "SA map and missions with GTA5 quality". It means the graphics comparable to modern titles, all quality of life features, et cetera. That would essentially require development time compared to what SA took in the first place as you cannot simply port everything into modern engine, I would be really surprised if GTA engines were backwards compatible in some form. So as my dream remake is impossible, some compromises would obviously be needed to be done. Yet what we got stemmed definitely not from this design principle, it was originally a quick face liftup that did nothing to "reimagine old missions". I do not think any amount of patches to the existing DE framework can realistically achieve said goals
What a mess these updates have been. it's so uneven and mismatched in what it chooses to update and what not to. Even without the glitches looks like a mess.
"The SA Guy" - Since you didn't know, just saying, ALL Stadiums require some kind of Skill necessary to enter them. Yes, even on PS2 Version 1.03, the first edition of the game, and beyond. This isn't unique to DE and any new Patch. I mean, just do a Starter Save or go to 100% Completion in the game, find these basic facts out. Also written on GTA Wikia and stuff...
@@a6pukoc113 What do you want to know? I've been doing Starter Saves/100% Completion, and all Special Vehicles since the year 2013 myself (11 years), so I know a lot of tiny details that most people don't know. I also play all the Platforms/Versions as there is key differences in them all. Here's another tiny fact that most people don't know. So, on Mobile, Gyms are unlocked at the BEGINNING of the game, allowing you do learn all the Moves early on. All other Platforms/Versions, DE included? They are not unlocked until after an early Story Mission is passed first. Want more tiny details? When he was talking about all of the Versions of SA, he forgot those PS4 Ports. They were like the PS2 Version 2, upscaled to 1080p and such, received Patches, and all that jazz.
@@halogenlampert 20%. Though, unlike Mobile where the Pause Menu Stats actually say the NUMBER/PERCENTAGE of Skill you have, PS2 does not. There's just a Bar. Anyways, I usually do Paramedics Level 12, 50 Taxi Fares, Firefighter Level 12, and Pimping Level 10. Once completed, I have enough Driving Skill to do *8-Track* and *Bloodbowl.* Even the Stadium in Las Venturas (which has TWO Events and are TIME/DAY SPECIFIC) won't allow you in until your Bike Skill is also higher and I think it's around 20% all the same. I usually drive a Bike when doing 50 Snapshots in the beginning and also when doing the 50 Horeseshoes in Las Venturas which maxes my Bike Skill to 100% in the beginning, so I usually do those LV Stadium Events last. Why do you think in Speeduns you see them use Vigilante Method to gain OM0, which barely works? Because they don't have enough skill to use a Phone Call and a Stadium Event to gain OM0, which is MUCH easier in the end. May take longer, though, but you can do it FIRST TRY unlike the Vigilante thingy...
I tend to get annoyed by Josh's bitching about the small stuff like seems, geometry textures, physics, and the entitled speedrunner way he complains about controls (not excusing it, it just makes Josh harder to watch), but 5:38:50 absolute fucking gold. 🤣🤣🤣
![Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas - The Definitive Edition [Any% (No Major Glitches)] - #ESAWinter22](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Yy1H_kX-AJY/mqdefault.jpg)
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I like this layout, no unnecessary stuff on screen. just you, the split and chat in the corner
I do also like minimalism. but Josh is not adding unnececary stuff to the left for no reason. Original game runs in 4:3 and you cannot have adequate 16:9 without mods, it just stretches without actually changing fov and this is ugly. As Josh cannot use mods as he is mostly speedrunning, he made this layout that keeps video 16:9 with the game 4:3
I fired up my PS2 and can confirm that invisible bump is not in the original version.
That thumbnail is killing me
Definitive Thumbnail
"O.o" Ahh face 😂😂😂😂
It is actual fucking art
Needs more pog-faces. 7/10
It was sent to me and suggested as the thumbnail by my discord chat... the full thumbnail they sent was much much worse than the one I went with ahahah
2:25:38 "what is even happening?" - "what's happening?" lmfao
Ah shit, here we go again, worst place in the world - grand theft auto: san andreas definitive edition.
I haven't supported the franchise in five years but rockstar don't give a shit
Is Josh moving to his new house the equivalent of him going from LS to Badlands?
@@squishsquishimafish6348 and he’s going to take that county for every stinking cent!
@@clarkesuperman good plan i guess?
@@xtczy You damn straight it's a good plan! Faye cased 4 soft targets.
after 9 years in development, hopefully it will have been worth the wait
They used the Claude model from 2001 GTA III in 1992 in cutscenes... Claude never aged/younged.
Truly a claude moment
@omglol8425 thats what he gets for never talking I guess.
Claude never younged…….
Nobody did as far as I know
@@woncisxboxgamer50 really? Please tell me more, pridefessor.
@@Puxi
somebody should make a song where the production is done by fessor.
prod. fessor
2:53:20 Me, only listening to the video with my right earbud 💀
3:59:34 You... gained health as you fell down o.o
5:34:54 That jetpack saga/fiasco was amazing
The weird blur effect that appears behind cars traveling at speed appears to be Temporal Anti-aliasing. Instead of the ghosting most TAA suffers from, the devs appear to have applied some really terrible motion blur to the TAA instead. If you swap to FXAA, there's some odd shimmering around the bottom of the car, but it's not as eye catching as the BIG BLUR ZONE with TAA enabled.
Thanks josh that thumbnail will now haunt me in my dreams
1:44:20 Loud compressed AK Sounds, cought me off guard while trying to do some work with this video in the background.
Does DE in general retain compressed audio from mobile release? Only touched it.
Life's a Beach skip works on EVERY version (including THAT one)
i like how the answer to engine smoke and fire being weak and barely visible being pure napalm and chaos
wait josh i have run gta definitive edition on youtube as my main game, you cannot super sprint on keyboard but you can if you use a controller attachement. I switch between both controls and found this out its weird.
It's always funny when Josh plays DE and the chat either makes up things that DE got wrong when they were already in original SA or they overreact to bugs and visual issues when Josh is just like "huh, how about that".
yeah well f them. I mean DE not the chat ^^
Is it better? Yeah, but is it fixed? Nope, DE will only be "fixed" once it gets deleted from existence
In even easier words. Better than DE, still worse than the original pc port.
It's not beyond salvation. Will it be good eventually, as long as they try? Probably. Am I expecting it to be at the quality it once was when I played it on the PS2? Probably not.
solve the definitive edition
@@Hansi8911 it sows grove street games
you seem like a really cool guy, never watched any of your videos before but yknow some people just give off a vibe, you got good vibes lol.
I hope they fix the unskippable cutscenes problem by making them unskippable all of the time.
Mandatory Cutscene% for all DE runs!
Just a minor thing, not sure if it's just me but it seems like they haven't fixed or re-implemented the ability to cancel the closing car door animation. You still have to wait for CJ to fully close it before you're able to control him again. It kind of ruins the pacing a little bit for me.
The story in this version is different from the Netflix version when they introduce Mike Toreno. The Netflix version changed the story slightly when introducing CJ to Toreno, but this version uses the same old story that the original SA uses. The main part I noticed is the Netflix version doesn't have the scene where he grabs and looks at CJ's wallet.
they still havent fixed the damn wires in badlands, its so obvious
I love the Jetpack/Black Project arc
The game is dark because the Contrast is set too high. Contrast: 3/20 and Brightness: 7/10 are my settings. The devs made the gamma way too dark, so its hard to make the game look right.
why do you blow up ryder's car in the updated version of definitive edition?
It took them 3 years to release this. Back in the day, in the same time span, Rockstar went from III via Vice City to San Andreas.
It's almost like Groove Street Games we're incompetent from the start
thanks Josh for amazing long uncut content, really appreciate it
All they had to do was (follow the train CJ) port the PC version, add the PS2 lighting, up the resolution and that would've been good enough. Running the game files through an AI upscaler, porting it all to a different engine, messing with the models, physics and animations etc... Why make it so complicated? It feels like game devs get more and more incompetent as time goes on.
gotta have the graphics to make it sell to an average consumer I guess. thats probably the thinking.
the graphical engine the og trilogy ran on got killed by EA and is unavailable to use
the hard path would've been to do something like re3/reVC and re-write everything from scratch
this was the easy choice - the og game is still running underneath, they just threw out the renderer and replaced it with a new one
@@ketrub and it looks awful, doesn't it?
@@JohnDelmas awful is cutting it short, honestly, it deserves way worse than just "awful"
@@ketrub what do you think makes it awful? I think having high res textures with low poly count looks awful. In general theres is this unevenness and mismatch to the whole aesthetics overall I think.
The lighting is not the same and will never be the same. The original PS2 version had the orange lights only during sunrise and sunsets. This one looks like just tinting the screen. It's not good.
Josh looks crazy in the thumbnail lmao
The thumnail face is soooooo funny!
Grocery Games didn't disappoint this time
4:38:07 Same numbers on clock we had when I was growing up. IIII = 4. Common numbering for some reason? 06:37:04 What is that PED on the right sidewalk?
It's not fixed yet. We still need a couple more patches. This game needs a little more work, but it's not beyond salvation. Whether Rockstar (or VGD) follows through with that remains to be seen. It's hard to tell if this game is going to be patched again.
43:41 what song is this i always just hear regulate by warren G when i hear him hum this, but at the same time its obviously not
2:12:52 is the echo here for dialogue in the cutscene a DE thing? Or a this version DE thing? It's definitely not in the base games i think it's so weird.
new setup in new house tour when??
There's a misunderstanding about that view of CJ: that was already there way back on the original PS2 version and the game was made with the PS2. You could see that sight when on a vehicle like a tractor with the camera in the 'in-car' view. I'm guessing a lot of people never looked back on a tractor in the 'in-car' view before the 'Definitive Edition'. I found it silly when I looked back on a tractor in the in-car view, made me laugh. It's part of the cartoonishness :D .
Yeah it's one of the things people memed about at the time of DE but was in the OGs. I'm using it in the thumbnail just because it's so iconic/funny
@@Joshimuz Ok :D
Was hoping I could comment again about something else. Been watching the video, currently at the San Fierro part, I think it's the high contrast that's making color tones look stronger, think you want to have the contrast adjusted less than the brightness. Just helpin'. :)
Graphics wise, this looks perfectly acceptable now tbh, they just need to fix those *terribly awful* character models, and occasional floating rocks & grass etc lol
edit: spoke too soon lmao, mt chilliad shouldnt be visible from los santos, no?
I work in Totton, very close to The New Forest!
6:59 post settings
DE Fixed. Defixed. They removed the fix
A lot of comments! Josh your engagement worked!
I think the answer is "kinda"? I kinda don't like that I can run and gun with "heavy" weapons in 3 and VC but also kinda like it too.
That's thing with the cars is something to do with the car models are loaded. They're on like a disk. I've played these games since I was a kid and never noticed but once I've seen it you can't un see it. Sometimes it's more noticeable but this is still a thing with GTA V too that's where my friend pointed it out. However I think it's alot better handled and less apparent in the OG games.
10:41 engagement check ok!
5:38:49 The jetpack knows comical timing
1:17:03 gap underneath road and crosswalk
It's totally fixed guys.
Just booting old DE in the middle of a "run" to prove a point, I love watching UNCUT
I watch these for the side-quests.
That jetpack rant is a certified Joshimuz classic now.
Is a fixed DE better for speedrunning or worse? Wonder if there is tech in pre-patched DE which can be exploited?
controls are better on some cases and that's about it
Lmao some car still sound like a truck when going fast
The camera and chat tilted. Why! ;-;
I don't understand how they recreated the broken physics and stuff in a different game engine
Maybe because old Renderware is still running under new Unreal engine? A carryover? Like there is a still infinite ocean support.
it's still mostly the same game underneath but they swapped the rendering engine from RenderWare to Unreal
@@a6pukoc113 OHHHH ty that makes a lot of sense. Well it doesn't, that sounds crazy, but whatever I'll take it
I will only play this once they fix the controls. just let us have actual classic controls as an option. the current one is a huge lie.
5:38:48 lmao🤣🤣🤣
are you gonna do a new house tour josh? I like the new camera setup btw, looks clean
3:56:12 Car just 💃🦩🪭🔥
Honestly I think SA's map size is perfect. It's big enough with enough variety that it feels substantial, but not so big that getting around is a chore.
Streaming from a new place in your home? Also why is your video feed and chat separated and the game is full screen?
Because the game is 16:9
What would I expect from DE can be summarised as "SA map and missions with GTA5 quality". It means the graphics comparable to modern titles, all quality of life features, et cetera. That would essentially require development time compared to what SA took in the first place as you cannot simply port everything into modern engine, I would be really surprised if GTA engines were backwards compatible in some form. So as my dream remake is impossible, some compromises would obviously be needed to be done. Yet what we got stemmed definitely not from this design principle, it was originally a quick face liftup that did nothing to "reimagine old missions". I do not think any amount of patches to the existing DE framework can realistically achieve said goals
0:45 hi past me on twitch
3:42:30 Watch the TRAM having a driver
No version using Unreal is gonna be "fixed"
Why is your camera window crooked?
It boosts viewer engagement. Twitch chat is also askew as well.
@@jenna1337 how is that a thing?
@@linklovezelda sex penis
@@linklovezelda Don't know if that's actually why Josh did it, but boosting engagement = get people talking about it, like we are right now.
you're talking about it aren't you?
3:19:00 "Should I put it in my mouth?" ~Josh 2024
Just reached the part with the Jetpack, my god what a shit show
shame the Life`s a beach trick doesn`t work in the OG Xbox version
my phone is so hot watching joshumuz 😂
What a mess these updates have been. it's so uneven and mismatched in what it chooses to update and what not to. Even without the glitches looks like a mess.
Watched one stream with Kai and the other guy.. would never watch anything with him again. absolutely atrocious.
Amazing thumbnail 😹
Not sure if its ambient occlusion or not but it's annoyingly dark, absolutely disgusting.
Nice pach notes :)
Nice smell notes :)
UNNNCUT
I disagree. Kai sleeping or streaming is a lot less interesting.
It fixes the DE but not the really.
The OG Loc scene isn't even a real cutscene but a scripted sequence, so there's literally no problem with using the audio in another situation
90% of what ISPs do is extremely cursed
"The SA Guy" - Since you didn't know, just saying, ALL Stadiums require some kind of Skill necessary to enter them. Yes, even on PS2 Version 1.03, the first edition of the game, and beyond. This isn't unique to DE and any new Patch. I mean, just do a Starter Save or go to 100% Completion in the game, find these basic facts out. Also written on GTA Wikia and stuff...
What other information like this about SA Joshi didn't/doesn't seem to know despite speedrunning game for 11 years?
@@a6pukoc113 What do you want to know? I've been doing Starter Saves/100% Completion, and all Special Vehicles since the year 2013 myself (11 years), so I know a lot of tiny details that most people don't know. I also play all the Platforms/Versions as there is key differences in them all. Here's another tiny fact that most people don't know. So, on Mobile, Gyms are unlocked at the BEGINNING of the game, allowing you do learn all the Moves early on. All other Platforms/Versions, DE included? They are not unlocked until after an early Story Mission is passed first. Want more tiny details?
When he was talking about all of the Versions of SA, he forgot those PS4 Ports. They were like the PS2 Version 2, upscaled to 1080p and such, received Patches, and all that jazz.
what skill does blood bowl require in any version before the mobile release?
@@halogenlampert 20%. Though, unlike Mobile where the Pause Menu Stats actually say the NUMBER/PERCENTAGE of Skill you have, PS2 does not. There's just a Bar. Anyways, I usually do Paramedics Level 12, 50 Taxi Fares, Firefighter Level 12, and Pimping Level 10. Once completed, I have enough Driving Skill to do *8-Track* and *Bloodbowl.* Even the Stadium in Las Venturas (which has TWO Events and are TIME/DAY SPECIFIC) won't allow you in until your Bike Skill is also higher and I think it's around 20% all the same. I usually drive a Bike when doing 50 Snapshots in the beginning and also when doing the 50 Horeseshoes in Las Venturas which maxes my Bike Skill to 100% in the beginning, so I usually do those LV Stadium Events last.
Why do you think in Speeduns you see them use Vigilante Method to gain OM0, which barely works? Because they don't have enough skill to use a Phone Call and a Stadium Event to gain OM0, which is MUCH easier in the end. May take longer, though, but you can do it FIRST TRY unlike the Vigilante thingy...
@@KakoriGameswhy not just go to LS Racing Stadium it's close to CJ's home??
Finally
netlifx
I love that they removed Grove street games logo.
They should remove the definitive edition. There's nothing to love about it. Rockstar fault.
@@shuraamano but then Josh will miss out on all the content for DE updates...
@@shuraamanotake twos fault. They most likely made the decision to let this dog shit version see the light of day.
Ryder without cape
I tend to get annoyed by Josh's bitching about the small stuff like seems, geometry textures, physics, and the entitled speedrunner way he complains about controls (not excusing it, it just makes Josh harder to watch), but 5:38:50 absolute fucking gold. 🤣🤣🤣
so dark
Why aren't there any stairs in the room behind you? So weird, dude.
Edit: does no one get it or is it just unfunny?
24:00 30:07
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new house!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can you dupe in DE?
noti gang OOPS
So, the thumbnail worked on me lol.
03:00:40 rip babooshka
7 hours and 29 minutes. But is DE FIXED?
Cool
First!