@@olliecrayfordyeah, as someone who bought light fall but saw how bad it was and friends telling me it’s trash. Legit came back 3 days before the final shape launch XD
I appreciate the increased drop rate for exotic class items; however, I believe a more effective improvement would involve modifying the items so that each drop features four exotic perks-two in each slot-allowing for mix-and-match customization. This adjustment would alleviate vault space constraints and simplify the process of obtaining a perfect god roll.
honestly was expecting that excision was gonna drop double perk exotic class items, that would make it a hellish farm, but alteast you would be able to get 4 drops. Atleast tie it into some sort of harder content, maybe a legend/gm dual destinies?
Ideally it would all the consolidated into 1 item somehow. For example, expanding the collections system to allow people to pull any combination they've previously acquired (would also be very nice to have for legendaries, though this gets a bit more complicated/costly with mags/barrels) if actually putting all the perks on one item isn't possible due to engine limitations.
I don't think this will work out any more efficient than the normal chest farm. Ok the dual destiny has two one time but people were already saying two wasn't good enough when it was the original dupe glitch that could be replicated
make it work like aeons and just let us slot two mods that gives it the perks. Unlock the mods via doing the 2 player activity and opening the pale heart chests.
@edwinraulpino5281 if someone jumped through all the hoops to get that roll then they deserve to be able to use it. But I guess having double perks is an exploit to you
@@malfeastial- Nooo... YOU wouldn't care. 🙄 Plenty of us still enjoy Gambit. The game literally never has a hard time finding people for matchmaking, and you'd be surprised how many of us would rather play Gambit, than to deal w/the sweatiness & toxicity of the Crucible. Gambit existing in the game ain't taking sh*t away from anything you like.& I'm tired of ya'll asking for it to be removed as a game mode ffs. Ya'll don't play it anyway sooo... let people like what they like. Folks need to be demanding it get shown some attention, so that it WOULD be more fun. Better rewards, cooler armor, newer maps, etc.
Would love to see high volume quitters moved to their own pool were they only get to play with other quitters, then forced to rebuild standing to get out of the pool
I'm going to leave every in progress match I get thrown in. Also shitty maps I'm also leaving. I never leave comp or trials matches. I could care less about my KD but I'm not staying in an un-fun experience.
@@burton528hznot only that but Bungie literally says in this twab that they will balance a team around one person. Really makes me want to stay in and watch Guardian1509 feed kills the entire game. Awful design philosophy
@burton528hz You're exactly the reason why. Oh you didn't get your favorite map every game? You're like a literal toddler crying because he didn't get his ice cream cone at the store Sunday morning. Enjoy the bans.
for the quitter issue i think bungie should implement what embark games has done with their competitive playlist. Example: if you leave a match you cannot search for another match until the match you left is over. if you try and search for a match it will put you back into the match you left and will continue to do no matter how many times you leave.
In my experience, the lobby balancing is the worst it's ever been. I took a long time away from D2, and an even longer time away from Crucible. Since returning this season, I've attempted a few Crucible sessions but at this point it's unplayable. 6v6 playlists. No matter how good or bad I play, my team has been blown out in almost every match. I wish I was exaggerating. In my last session, my team was down 20-40 points within the first 3mins of 6 consecutive matches. I played a Supremacy match where 2 of my teammates didn't secure a single crest, while everyone else in the lobby was at a 60+% secure rate. It shouldn't be this difficult to get teammates that can actually compete, let alone win matches. There's no enjoyment to losing in a blow out over and over. Its a waste of time.
Never thought I'd see the day I'm in an Aztecross video. You're such an inspiration man. Keep up the great work! 😭❤ Also, as a side note, I honesty had no idea about the other guy stealing the build. When I uploaded my build to Mobalytics, the new artifact perks weren’t available (it should be updated now), and the stasis siphon I used was for Vulpecula. I know it’s not submitted, but if you ever want to use this in any of your build battles feel free! No worries at all if you still want to go with the other one, as it was actually submitted correctly, and both are pretty much identical lol. Either way I hope you had fun with it!
"But then people only select the same maps" Oh, you mean some of the maps are poorly designed and generally not wanted to be played on? Wild, maybe design better maps
Somehow I think the development teams assessment of the exotic class item drop rate issue got a bit lost. I appreciate them addressing it - but jesus - Having to commit to Overthrow for increased drop rates and simultaneously losing the somewhat more relaxing aspect of farming regular chests.... ugh. I'll just say it. Overthrow is boring as all hell. The last thing I wanted Bungie to take away from drop rate concerns is that we really really wanted more Overthrow. Yikes.
both methods are boring as hell............ lets not beat around the bush here. these exotic items need to drop from other sources that ACTUALLY reward our time. what happens when we have all 5 red borders for each pale heart weapon? i sure as hell aint touching that destination again because there will be fuck all to grind for.
Overthrow isnt the best but “boring as hell” is an extreme overstatement. And I also think the change is fine it makes more since to be rewarded for actually completing and participating in an activity instead of farming in a patrol zone which is in fact “boring as hell”. And if you’re mad about the macro idk what to tell you. Go play RuneScape if you’d rather afk your progress than actually play the game
Overthrow is boring as hell but you want to do more chest farming 😂 Make it make sense. Chest farming may actually be THE most boring thing that blueberries will ever do.
@@boneidle8420 The problem is that overthrow is slower and more boring. I would rather farm chest faster for a role then never touch pale heart. Shooting crystals or escorting a ghost is just as braindead and slower for no reason.
For console players, this does not feel like a buff at all. This feels like a huge nerf. I’d rather chest farm and get a class item every 15/20 mins on average then do overthrows
Why would you rather mindlessly run around and open chests? That makes 0 sense to me. You still get to do that in overthrow but in between kill shit and potentially get red boarders/other exotics/power increase (if you need it)
Going to the impasse gives the best of both. I just focus doing the objectives under the bridge since a good amount of random chests usually spawn near there and I can snag em while I do the overthrow objects.
@@novavstheworld7925overthrow is so incredibly boring. Id rather just open chests instead of actually doing the stupid objectives like shooting 1 Crystal then a knight, shooting 2 crystals then a knight, 3 then knight, 4 then knight just for like 450 overthrow points Or even worse, that one in the impasse under the bridge where u sit on 3 plates for genuinely like a whole minute each while those mf strand psions throw you off the plate every half a second
Glad about the exotic class drop buff...but They should have left the regular pale heart chest drop alone for exotic class item it was rare to get it out of there anyways...unnecessary bungie.
As a skilled player, I promise that my opponent's skill is much less of a factor in me leaving games than the map selection. I am at least 5x as likely to back out of a game due to playing disfunction and citadel than I am to playing someone on par or better than me
You call it ‘disfunction’ too 🤣 same. I quit that disgusting trash everytime. I’d rather get stomped by 3.0kd elites on javelin then ever play that crap… at least im in javelin lol
@@quinnandrews4457 for real!!! They could delete the entire disfunction map file all together. For good. No backup found 😂 and barely anyone would care.
I gotta be honest... the class item updates was NOT what I wanted to hear. Farming exotic class items is such an overwhelmingly daunting task that I have stopped bothering to even try farming it. I don't have the time to dedicate every waking hour to farming that content, I don't want to risk wasting that time on a dupe, and as a primarily solo player the added difficulty of finding a partner to even do the mission in the first place is the straw that broke the back. Sure overthrow chests helps, but if that means as a solo player I've simply redirected every waking hour of possible gaming time to overthrow, with no dupe protection, that does nothing to inspire me to farm.
And what doesn't help is the vast majority of incredibly potent builds in the game post-TFS are utilizing some form of specific class item. Because of the aforementioned lack of extensive available gaming time, I don't really have the time to sit and think up my own builds, I depend on build videos which are now non-functional for me.
@@localprime8868 I've done the mission once. Do you have any idea how quickly people leave when they realize that you aren't able to do the mission in your sleep and their farming will be heavily slowed down? LFG and Fireteam finder is only so helpful.
Increasing the loot drop rate is the laziest solution they could think of, they could have done.. - never get a duplicate - make 1 of the trait selectable - have it where the traits are unlock-able where you can switch off to the combination you want instead of having 20 different class exotic for each guardian in your account
Ooo, having one Exotic class item, and then just unlocking each exotic trait to switch out would be pretty nice. As long as there isn't a cost to swapping the traits.
@@Hunt3r001 not really. farming non-overthrow chests is WAY faster than doing overthrow chests. what would really help is duplicate and bad luck protection.
@Hunt3r001 you get a SINGLE extra one a week(per class) while on the Pale Heart they buffed the Overthrow chests but nerfed normal ones basically making it equal. They even said faster on AVERAGE meaning it'll still take forever to get 1. Ppl are being punished because others did macro farming which sucks. So this does almost nothing to help, you get 1 extra a week basically since most are just running Dual Destiny anyway as it's always faster than Pale Heart chests.
@@Hunt3r001nah it don’t help, you get a « chance » of a drop after the end of the activity, which can last 30-40 minutes OR doing the boring mission with someone who is not good via lfg for 30-40 minutes to get a drop. It don’t solve the problem and it’s in any way a buff. Farming chest was actually the fastest way to get exotic class item (you could get at least 8-12 drops/ hours if the RNG was with you versus a 2 drop from the mission each hour/ hour and half)
I’m praying Captain Jacobson turns out growing huge like that one concept art image of the giant frog that Bungie never did anything with. That would be so cool and funny!
you quit, you make the environment even worse than it already is so thats no excuse people that do that are part of the problem. Lobby balancing has to get better fast but punishing quitters is a solid bandaid fix for an already bad situation
for the lobby balancing i absolutely hate the direction they’re taking it, when it feels it’s just the 2 people on top of each team competing who can carry their team harder and sometimes the person who should be on top simply doesn’t wanna try or wants to use different loadouts so the whole team ends up getting rolled by that persons matchup
That exotic class item change is more of a nerf than anything. How about double perks on the class item, dupe protection. ANYTHING so I stop getting the same roll over and over again.
I appreciate Bungie for fixing the chance of titan mains getting inmost/syntho or inmost/assassin from opening chest. Back then we’d get around roughly 0.000625% without factoring in duplication per one chest in pale heart, now it’s practically nonexistent! This is truly one of the Bungie moment!
4:35 going 30 matches of iron banner in a row and not 1 win while at the same time topping the chart in your team In most games dear God I was suffering until I hit the bullet and swapped to hunter 10:03 I absolutely hate doing trials and having 1 or both of my teammates leave 1 or 2 rounds in so now I have to reset my passage because it's a guarantee loss on the card 15:40 what would be really cool is if bungie made it possible for the potential to get artifice armor when getting armor drops 23:13 constantly... 27:23 I think we can all agree it shoulda been shaxx who got the attunement focusing since yk it would make more sense despite onslaught being in vanguard tab
They could add where if you quit the match you can't join another crucible mode until that match is over. This also entails that you can join back-in-progress matches.
I don't mind the increased drop rate from overthrows, I just wish we actually ran into other Guardians in the Pale Heart. I don't have a clan/friends to run overthrows with.
I feel the same way. The location does not feel alive for that reason. But there is always matchmaking available at one of the overthrow locations each day. From there you can fast travel if you want. Once I had a team with 3 different overthrows going on at the same time.
The way to fix the class item issue is to add double perks to each column. 1 - it will lower the amount of drops you need to get to get the roll you want. And 2 - it’ll save bank/inv space if you want a variety of combinations
I have not played Festiny since the last story week of the first episode because the grind for exotic class items burned me out. TBH, giving one extra drop per character per week isn't likely to bring me back, and the changes to drops in the Pale Heart would probably just exacerbate the burnout from the grind. They definitely need to expand drop sources.
I have done nothing but load up destiny run gm log off everything else feels so damn steel and as soon as you play other games and play their updates and content drops you notice how bad destiny is they string us along so bad its unreal drip feeding shit down our throats we tolerate a lot of nonsense that they claim is unavoidable but is al about $$$$$
Man, on the surface, the drop rate changes for exotic class items are a nerf masquerading as a buff unless the increased drop chance is way higher. The community is going to get pissed if the drop rates for overthrow isn't significantly higher, and given how stingy they are being with duality, I can't see those rates going way up. My prediction is that people are going to be pissed and Bungie would have been better off not announcing anything. They should have just added it to the drop tables for other activities, and is, I'll just wander free roam and get some more drops while the drop rates are still good on random chests.
@@kellofkells6002 doesn't change the fact you shouldn't call something a buff unless it actually is, and you shouldn't say you are listening and ignore all the suggestions. Treating your player base like they are stupid is never the play.
@@Gee-bg2rv Unless you can get them faster than you can get them now running the world chest routes, it is a nerf, and given the fact that they are still being super stingy with duality, I will be shocked if it is faster. If I can actually get them faster after the changes, I'll take it all back, but I don't expect I will have to.
Here's a thought on #trials. What if they introduced a redemption feature, like if you fall from the gates, and win the next 3 games, it grants you to the lighthouse. Not only it will keep players from ending their run with their card but keep them in the playist for a chance of redeeming themselves. If the lose one of the 3 or 2 games for redemption they have to reset for flawless. ...just a thought.
Fucking right? Like i will lose every single match if i dont sweat my ass off and play at the absolute peak of my ability. I can almost never trust my team mates to clutch up.
Had a comp game yesterday. One guy left, then the other. The enemy team was being a little toxic to me afterwards so i decided to just keep emoting for the 3 mins that were left.
It's so weird when the enemy team is toxic to the one person that chose to stay and fight. If I'm in a match and the enemy team has quitters, I block the people that left, then if my teammates start bagging or using toxic emotes on the one person that stayed I shoot at them or message to stop being toxic.
@@caffinatedredpanda9964 This overall occurrence is way too common. Feels bad on both sides. Those that stayed just want to get the match over with ASAP.
@@LivingTheoremwhat you’re doing is why they do it and you don’t realize it. They look for reactions and you gave them what they wanted so they will keep doing it.
Fixing the matchmaking will fix the quitting issue. I quit games when I'm getting shit on, because it isn't fun, I'm not here to win or lose, I'm here to have fun, if I'm not having fun, then there's no point in me being there.
@@HeeHee7681PvP in this game is garbage 💀 so many better options. CSGO for purely aim and game sense, want a movement shooter? Play apex. Way better options than destiny where PVE is the main thing.
I feel like if Bungie can get their lobby balancing together, that will go a long way towards solving the quitting epidemic. It seems foolhardy to think of these as two separate issues. Personally, if I get spawned into a match in progress onto a team that is getting absolutely farmed-which happens WAY more often than it should-I’ll just go to orbit. Why would I stay in a frustrating, completely unbalanced match? My time is valuable, I’m trying to have fun. I shouldn’t be subjected to a frustrating experience over and over again because they can’t figure out how to create close matches with any consistency.
You still get stuff for losing, right? If the game is in progress and your team is losing bad, just put on your favorite off meta weapons and see what zany stuff you can do in like 4 minutes. From the perspective of a non crucible player, that sounds pretty fun lol
@@iponce2 I don’t care about getting rewards, and I don’t really care about my k/d all that much. I care about having fun. The crucible has the highest replay value out of any activity because every match is different. But when matches are stomps one way or the other-as Cross was describing-it’s not fun. And also like Cross was describing, I don’t mind losing as long as it’s close. The problem is that the lobby balancing has been so bad that stomps are common, and it’s also very common to get spawned into a match in progress on a team that’s getting stomped. Neither of those things are fun. Zany builds are only fun if you can actually do something interesting with them; if all you do is get killed, then respawn, then get killed immediately again because the other team is commanding the whole map, then you don’t actually get to have any fun with ANY build, let alone anything unusual.
@@Steampunkguitars "every crucible match is different" we must be playing different crucibles because every crucible match is exactly the same annoying, boring loop over and over again
@@Steampunkguitars100% agree about crucible’s replayability. I can easily spend 6hours in there to the point that i rarely ever touch pve, unless its to get good weapons/gear for pvp. Yeah players should only really be matched within their skill level. Thats why sbmm is good… problem is, the elite players dont like that because even though theyre good at the game against lower skilled players… *theyre trash against themselves!* they suck playing players in their own skill bracket. No stomps. No seventeen columns. No we rans. No cool clips. Nothing. Just slow hiding behind cover hide & seek hand cannon gameplay. And they hate it! But thats not our problem 🤷🏽♂️ you cant divorce difficulty from high levels of skill. End of story. Im not saying it’s their fault for being awesome at the game. Thats great for them. But they dont get to stomp lesser players just to fuel their virgin neckbeard egos. Play at your level!! But of course, they cant. Thats why they cry about sbmm like babies and cheat their way into vpn bot lobbies instead to stomp terrible players in other countries on the otherside of the world. They’re losers.
they NEED to add a clause for quitting if half your team already has. Look, i'm not saying you should quit if one person does, but if I'm in a 3v6? Man, I don't wanna stick around through that, the enemy team doesn't wanna stick around through that, more often than not you just sit there emoting until the game fills up or people just quit.
lmfaoo a new quitter penalty that makes them permanently on enemy radar like heat rises or detectable on radar from further away, and while no shields they are marked behind walls to enemies within a certain distance. The player has no notification they are penalized. This keeps more players in the pool so that they don't just wait out the penalty and reduce the population further. It also allows newer players to push a weak target or to focus a single target as a team where they wouldn't have felt comfortable or known to do so before. Plus it's funny 😂
They deserve the upmost nonsense. Sick of me shiver striking a hunter or solar lock and them immediately quitting because they realized they aren't gonna farm kills the entire map and actually have to TRY
They have to add more rewards for flawless if they are going to make these trails changes, I get what that are trying to do population wise. But there has to be a reason to be in there. More armour and shaders etc perhaps
I wish they would find a way to bring weapon attunement to Trials. It might make more people do Trials every weekend. Just make your first drop guaranteed to be whatever and the wins after flawless are increased rate to attunement
The current system is kind of a weekly attunement. When it's the featured flawless weapon, that's going to be the weapon that drops most often for wins. I wish there was attunement for the legacy trials weapons.
Honestly for Crucible I wish they'd bring back the large maps cause honestly for me these small and smallish-medium maps are just way too high paced, plus the large maps had the fun aspect of being able to drive tanks and use turrets.
@@Kumari_44 as opposed to all the sliding titans with shotguns on small maps and while I don't know if you were playing the game back when it still about but those maps actually had quite a bit of coverage and where multi-layered much like the titan map if not moreso. Plus it had the additional factor that because of the size of the maps that it was impossible for a team to overly dominate by taking the central area and kill opponents as they're spawning, unlike with smaller maps even with an expert team it was impossible to take a lead then seize complete control of the map.
I mean, you are balancing around that one guardian that means that person has to carry the weight. I've seen some cases where we have a top player filled with bronze and the other team is golds+. Like nobody wants to always sweat in a casual setting and then you toss a bad map into the mix which we have plenty of, I understand why some of them just bail. Even I bail if it's just a bad map like you can't force me to stick around when I'm not having fun. I understand bungies choice for doing this but, it doesn't solve the issue of WHYYYY they are leaving in the first place
@@arcuz7862 Imagine seeing somebody be positive about something something and then just randomly insult them for no reason. You're probably just jelly they have friends that talk with them
It’s funny that Bungie refuses to acknowledge that Quitting is only a problem because of SBMM. It was a non-issue before Sbmm got added during plunder, and then quitting skyrocketed after Sbmm got added. The refuse to accept that Sbmm just makes the game feel like trash so people just quit matches. The solution to quitting is to just go back to pre-Plunder matchmaking.
My PVP experience lately has been terrible. I got mercy'd 6 times in a row. Constantly top fragging on my team and my numbers are better than the bottom three on the enemy team but somehow still losing constantly. Edit: I'm also a solo player, so I'm not sure that affects it much or not.
IMO there should be a knockout system and when you get a specific combination it unlocks the perk combination in your collections. That way we don't have to hoard 64 different combos in our vault ASSUMING you can get each one
It pisses me off how tone deaf they are to the problem regarding exotic class items. They pick something that’s easy to change, even if it doesn’t address any of the problems at all.
I've only ever quit two matches. Once when I was loaded into a Crucible with an 84/23 deficit or something, and another when I had two teammates collecting kills and motes with zero deposits.
Remember when we got random exotics when we first started playing destiny back in the day? There was so much hype when you got one from a random activity. If i got a random exotic class item after a crucible match and etc. That would bring back that hype feeling from back in the day 🤷♂️
I was farming them out in the pale heart averaging one every 12 minutes with skating and whatnot, probably not that fast on Titan. If the overthrow doesn't drop them at least that regularly I'm macroing it...
I’d love to say “just let class items drop from everything all the time!” Because I want a bunch of them. But tbh I understand that they’re meant to be different from our other exotics. They’re meant to be a chase item. That being said it does currently feel bad to farm them no matter how you do it. Depending on how much of a “higher chance” were actually getting, I’m happy they did it this way instead of just making it a chest opening simulator. Overthrow is fun, easy, brainless gameplay that’s actually pretty cool. Class drops gives me even more reason to run it, and I don’t have to stop every thirty seconds to hunt for the nearest world chest. I’m sure I’m in the minority, but if you get 6 per week for 3 runs, and then another 3-5 for a handful of runs of overthrow? I’d be happy. Again, it would have to be a good rate for the overthrow chest, but fingers crossed for that lol
I mean I too understand but its ridiculous considering the drop rate. I can run master SE all challenges in less time than it takes me to get the role I want on a class item.
I'm glad someone said it. It's nice having a exotic that feels exotic and actually excites me when it drops. If it goes to drop from everywhere it runs into the problem of exotics not being as cool because they drop everywhere plus it feels cooler that you have to go to the pale heart it genuinely feels like a gift from the traveler
@@Daoalkala lolol 1000%, i'm just hoping that its a good enough buff to give us like, maybe a drop every 1-3 runs of overthrow? i fee llike that would feel decent enough that i wouldnt care about world chests being nerfed, and if its that good then pairing it with the double loot on 1 run each week? sounds good to me
@@PyroCyce hmmm i agree and don't lol. i don't personally ever look at my 100th drop of knucklehead and say "hmmm this no longer feels exotic", i knwo a lot of people DO feel that, but i never have. the fact that it FEELS exotic feels good to have more of them to me, i just stop caring once i get the rolls i need. same thing with class items. honestly i think if they just add dupe protection or just give us double drops 100% of the time most people would be satisfied at the end of the day
One of my friends went 3 and 24 in trials last week, he isn’t the worst player, I can beat him in a 1v1, but he’s not terrible, he kept matching gods and wasn’t even flawless, and he kept getting worse players on his team. We both have the iconoclast title, our other friend went flawless his first try, I usually get like 3-4 wins before I got a loss, went flawless after like 3 resets, lobby balancing is definitely messed up.
This makes me kinda sad. Every single exotic class item i've gotten in the pale heart, has been from the random chests. NOT overthrow. I hope the changed to drop rates is significant because i have never ever gotten a class item from the overthrow chest.
They aren’t something I’ve ever really cared about to begin with. Once I heard that the rolls were completely random, I mentally clocked out. Random roll exotics didn’t work for DMT and Hawkmoon, and they aren’t gonna work for class items either. I’ll just stick with my Getaway, Falling Star, and Nighthawk builds.
right on, agreed. maybe one day we'll see them try to gain back community favor and move dual into the exotic rotator and make the items craftable. they should have done that from the start in dual where each week you can unlock 1 perk per ACCOUNT taking about 48 weeks for all 3 characters. making it last the entire DLC cycle for all 3 acts. players wouldnt be able to unlock everything until may 2025.
Finally, I can farm for that Midnight Coup God Roll. Although I am told I already have it; Firefly/Desperate Measures. I want Explosive Payload/Desperate Measures or One for All tho
They already do, this just means if you were running Overthrow and stopped before getting one the increased chance carries over to those chests. Doesn't mean they're worth running just for the class items in any way though
They aready do. But your comment shows that the drop rate is way too low, if you didnt ever drop one from a lost sector :/ I hope the rate buff is enough
@@floresjon87just the vine covered ones and the level 3’s that you get for doing activities like killing mini bosses and stuff like that. The chests that are hive or witness actually have been lowered sadly
Dude Bungie just needs to implement what rainbow six siege does for its game. You will be in good standing if you don't quit and you play through the game and for that you get bonus rewards by just simply being a good player or not necessarily good but a player that isn't a quitter.
Alright, Here is the thing, bonus rewards. What rewards? More engrams, Glimmer, Cores, prisms? The thing is most don't care for that, they care for the actual match and how fun the match is. A bad map is a instant leave, because not only is it a bad map you are being balanced with worse teammates if you are skilled. So you have to carry a worse team on a trash map, nobody wants to be in a sweat factory all day. The issue is the frequency of the bad maps. I'm almost certain you could do a correlation chart and see people leaving trending towards maps more than people just leaving to leave.
@@Unstressing people like you are the reason why people are having such a shitty time in The crucible. If it's a shitty map it's a shitty map suck it up and get through the match. You're putting the other two teammates in a worse position then everyone would have had been if he had just stayed and that's including you. Secondly most of what you just said is a skill issue so just practice and it won't be a problem. And lastly bonus rewards can include bonus XP upon match completion or literally anything like bonus legendary gear or bonus artifice gear drops that the game is already providing. There is no limit to what they could actually provide for an esteemed reputation. And no nobody in the fucking crucible is playing for fun I can assure you. The only thing that makes crucible worth playing right now is the fact that you can get artifice armor and the weapon this season is actually pretty good for comp. Yes obviously having fun is about half of the game and should be treated as such but no one is just going into the crucible to have "fun" It hasn't been fun for a long time. Bungie has a terrible reputation/ track record for balancing things properly for literally anything. I've been playing Destiny 2 since launch.
you know what I wish that destiny 2 had dedicated servers though and is The only video game that doesn't have any on it Exactly that's where most of the problems come from not having dedicated servers for D2 in the first place
Ive played multiple comp matches over the last few months where i load in,inspect my team,both running double primary w autos and then i inspect the enemy team and they’re all running full loadouts and builds. Im not playing that waste of time of a match because the outcome is most likele and L for me. I just dont have the time anymore to try and fight that out when i could just leave and have an easier match next game. This is the sentiment from many “high skill” players because the game seemingly gives you games that you’re supposed to lose just so it can keep you within certain parameters.
I think that Bungie is completely lying about who's quitting PvP matches. They just blame "high skill players looking for easier lobbies to stomp on" because they know that they can get everyone to hate those sorts of players -- so that you'll agree to go along with their new changes. Normal players quit when they're up against lagging enemies that you can't have a fair fight with, or cheaters, or just an unbalanced lobby that they don't feel like suffering through for the next 10 minutes. And then, as soon as you quit one game, you start getting put into punishment matches with even-worse teammates, even-more-lopsided scores, and even-laggier enemies. And god forbid you quit out of one of those deliberately-unenjoyable experiences that they're putting you in, or the chain of punishment matches will just continue and get worse for you until you finally get a time-out. This is what Bungie is upset with. Not high-skill accounts looking for easy lobbies like they're a CoD RUclipsr trying to make a gameplay video in 2012. They're upset with _you,_ because you had the temerity to quit out of a match that you weren't having fun with. How dare you care about your time. How dare you want to have fun with a game that you paid for. You're gonna be punished even harder now.
Crazy that the pvp strike team doesn't seem to understand the problem. A while back they basically said that they define good matchmaking as games where the winner is unpredictable. That doesn't mean you have good matchmaking. That means your prediction algorithm sucks. Destinytracker predicts the winner of my matches with over 90% success. But because bungie sucks at predicting outcomes they get to claim success? Hilarious.
My only issue with iron banner is no rewards to chase, we got one weapon this drop and no armour which is a shame as iron banner armour always is hot as hunters.
They could have just buff the overthrow chest drop rate and leave the pale heart chest as it is. But noooooooo, they have to find a way to fucks the player somehow
This makes more sense and i thought it was silly how it was. The activities go by quickly when everyone participates but why bother if its the same or better to just chase random chests?
Something with the quitter thing is that I'd love for a button to rejoin a match I quit in progress. The reason I say this is that sometimes I get error coded out of a game for one reason or another (whether bungo jank or not), and I want to rejoin to continue helping my team, but I can't, unless I'm playing with a friend and so I can manually rejoin their fireteam if the slot is still open.
Bull, I leave because the people I go against have been flawless 15+ times and that’s all three of the opposite team. On the other hand, my teammates, one just picked up the game because they’re a rank five and the other one’s a rank six make it make sense bungee. 🤦🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
I cannot believe they missed this opportunity to put out update 8.0.0.8.5
probably cause the alphabet mafia would bitch to high heaven.
Old Bungo would never have dropped this chance
@@drwill439old bungie wasnt full of troons and degenerates
@@drwill439 New Bungie knew and did nothing
Same.
The blooper was genuinely the best part of this TWAB. Not to ripe on the other changes.
I don't play pvp anymore so I can't speak on those changes, but everything else was pretty bad imo.
I mean, for some people coming back, attunement for onslaught is a big thing.
@@olliecrayfordyeah, as someone who bought light fall but saw how bad it was and friends telling me it’s trash. Legit came back 3 days before the final shape launch XD
@@stanbrusky85
Yeah my solution for pvp? Don't do it and go play other games lol
Labels? That's for the juvenile.
Petition for a Captain Jacobson ornament for parasite. Imagine shooting Captain Jacobson at Atraks or something
I love it.
😂😂😂😂 Sensational
This is……….acceptable
I appreciate the increased drop rate for exotic class items; however, I believe a more effective improvement would involve modifying the items so that each drop features four exotic perks-two in each slot-allowing for mix-and-match customization. This adjustment would alleviate vault space constraints and simplify the process of obtaining a perfect god roll.
honestly was expecting that excision was gonna drop double perk exotic class items, that would make it a hellish farm, but alteast you would be able to get 4 drops. Atleast tie it into some sort of harder content, maybe a legend/gm dual destinies?
Ideally it would all the consolidated into 1 item somehow. For example, expanding the collections system to allow people to pull any combination they've previously acquired (would also be very nice to have for legendaries, though this gets a bit more complicated/costly with mags/barrels) if actually putting all the perks on one item isn't possible due to engine limitations.
I don't think this will work out any more efficient than the normal chest farm. Ok the dual destiny has two one time but people were already saying two wasn't good enough when it was the original dupe glitch that could be replicated
@@kilianbalter this is probably the only fix I would accept. The vault space alone is extremely annoying
make it work like aeons and just let us slot two mods that gives it the perks. Unlock the mods via doing the 2 player activity and opening the pale heart chests.
The day that bungie disables my cascade envious edge transit, is the day of my generational crashout
@edwinraulpino5281ur fun at parties huh?
@edwinraulpino5281someone is salty they don’t have it
@@tonysbanned sensitive 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@edwinraulpino5281 if someone jumped through all the hoops to get that roll then they deserve to be able to use it. But I guess having double perks is an exploit to you
Is it still acquirable? If not then it's unfair
Cross- puts shinies in the thumbnail.
Bungie- no Shinies.
The Brave weapon attunement system is a massive W for chasing rolls of a certain weapon
yeah, I've recently realized I don't have a StL/Explo Midnight Coup, gotta get on it later
I don’t get why they removed it
It still needs to be 100%
@@MichaOstrowskiaren’t those both in the same column?
@@LambSauceWill F me. You're right. I ain't ftL/Tremors Coup will have to do.
Players: No More Duplicates!!!!!!
Bungie: We heard you Players loud and clear and understand you want More Duplicates Faster!!!!!
So theyre decreasing the already 2% drop rate from the regulat chest? Wild
"This TWAB has a little bit something for everyone"..... Bungie forgot about Gambit again
Gambit can literally get deleted and nobody but you would care.
I would care gambit the best game mode
@talondavidson3791 If Gambit was the best game mode, it would be played more.
@@malfeastial- Nooo... YOU wouldn't care. 🙄 Plenty of us still enjoy Gambit. The game literally never has a hard time finding people for matchmaking, and you'd be surprised how many of us would rather play Gambit, than to deal w/the sweatiness & toxicity of the Crucible. Gambit existing in the game ain't taking sh*t away from anything you like.& I'm tired of ya'll asking for it to be removed as a game mode ffs. Ya'll don't play it anyway sooo... let people like what they like. Folks need to be demanding it get shown some attention, so that it WOULD be more fun. Better rewards, cooler armor, newer maps, etc.
I played 45 games of gambit last weekend to try out every ergo sum. Was awesome fun.
Would love to see high volume quitters moved to their own pool were they only get to play with other quitters, then forced to rebuild standing to get out of the pool
I'm going to leave every in progress match I get thrown in. Also shitty maps I'm also leaving. I never leave comp or trials matches. I could care less about my KD but I'm not staying in an un-fun experience.
@@burton528hz this is why we need that quitter -50% dmg and resilience cross was talking about enjoy your fun match
😂Quitters pool with a badge…I like it
@@burton528hznot only that but Bungie literally says in this twab that they will balance a team around one person. Really makes me want to stay in and watch Guardian1509 feed kills the entire game. Awful design philosophy
@burton528hz
You're exactly the reason why. Oh you didn't get your favorite map every game? You're like a literal toddler crying because he didn't get his ice cream cone at the store Sunday morning. Enjoy the bans.
for the quitter issue i think bungie should implement what embark games has done with their competitive playlist. Example: if you leave a match you cannot search for another match until the match you left is over. if you try and search for a match it will put you back into the match you left and will continue to do no matter how many times you leave.
This
If you quit matches multiple times in a row it should equip a “Quitter” title to your character
If you constantly place bottom multiple times in a row, you should equip the title "Bottom".
@@PabloGonzalez-dm3xmpower bottom
I'd be totally fine with this. I quit matches because of their self-admitted terrible lobby balancing.
@@seffers4788 Title: Bottom God 😆
In my experience, the lobby balancing is the worst it's ever been. I took a long time away from D2, and an even longer time away from Crucible.
Since returning this season, I've attempted a few Crucible sessions but at this point it's unplayable. 6v6 playlists. No matter how good or bad I play, my team has been blown out in almost every match. I wish I was exaggerating. In my last session, my team was down 20-40 points within the first 3mins of 6 consecutive matches.
I played a Supremacy match where 2 of my teammates didn't secure a single crest, while everyone else in the lobby was at a 60+% secure rate.
It shouldn't be this difficult to get teammates that can actually compete, let alone win matches. There's no enjoyment to losing in a blow out over and over. Its a waste of time.
I’ve actually had matches where when a person quit in trials, we came back and won 2v3. Some of those quitters are trash and hold the whole team back.
Never thought I'd see the day I'm in an Aztecross video. You're such an inspiration man. Keep up the great work! 😭❤ Also, as a side note, I honesty had no idea about the other guy stealing the build. When I uploaded my build to Mobalytics, the new artifact perks weren’t available (it should be updated now), and the stasis siphon I used was for Vulpecula. I know it’s not submitted, but if you ever want to use this in any of your build battles feel free! No worries at all if you still want to go with the other one, as it was actually submitted correctly, and both are pretty much identical lol. Either way I hope you had fun with it!
The goat 🐐
heyy i didnt' think id see you here!
W Rest
Rest is the best!
yu know what they should do?? hear me out...
Map voting
Crazy I know
"But then people only select the same maps"
Oh, you mean some of the maps are poorly designed and generally not wanted to be played on? Wild, maybe design better maps
Somehow I think the development teams assessment of the exotic class item drop rate issue got a bit lost. I appreciate them addressing it - but jesus - Having to commit to Overthrow for increased drop rates and simultaneously losing the somewhat more relaxing aspect of farming regular chests.... ugh.
I'll just say it. Overthrow is boring as all hell.
The last thing I wanted Bungie to take away from drop rate concerns is that we really really wanted more Overthrow.
Yikes.
both methods are boring as hell............ lets not beat around the bush here. these exotic items need to drop from other sources that ACTUALLY reward our time. what happens when we have all 5 red borders for each pale heart weapon? i sure as hell aint touching that destination again because there will be fuck all to grind for.
Overthrow isnt the best but “boring as hell” is an extreme overstatement. And I also think the change is fine it makes more since to be rewarded for actually completing and participating in an activity instead of farming in a patrol zone which is in fact “boring as hell”. And if you’re mad about the macro idk what to tell you. Go play RuneScape if you’d rather afk your progress than actually play the game
Overthrow is boring as hell but you want to do more chest farming 😂 Make it make sense. Chest farming may actually be THE most boring thing that blueberries will ever do.
@@boneidle8420 I’m saying. They’d mindlessly do that then actually play the game. OR the real reason is they were using the macro
@@boneidle8420 The problem is that overthrow is slower and more boring. I would rather farm chest faster for a role then never touch pale heart. Shooting crystals or escorting a ghost is just as braindead and slower for no reason.
For console players, this does not feel like a buff at all. This feels like a huge nerf. I’d rather chest farm and get a class item every 15/20 mins on average then do overthrows
Why would you rather mindlessly run around and open chests? That makes 0 sense to me. You still get to do that in overthrow but in between kill shit and potentially get red boarders/other exotics/power increase (if you need it)
Going to the impasse gives the best of both. I just focus doing the objectives under the bridge since a good amount of random chests usually spawn near there and I can snag em while I do the overthrow objects.
@@novavstheworld7925overthrow is so incredibly boring. Id rather just open chests instead of actually doing the stupid objectives like shooting 1 Crystal then a knight, shooting 2 crystals then a knight, 3 then knight, 4 then knight just for like 450 overthrow points
Or even worse, that one in the impasse under the bridge where u sit on 3 plates for genuinely like a whole minute each while those mf strand psions throw you off the plate every half a second
@@novavstheworld7925 mindless running is more fun
@@novavstheworld7925Overthrow is the new terminal overload.
It's a repeatitive activity that yields no good loot once you have everything crafted.
Glad about the exotic class drop buff...but They should have left the regular pale heart chest drop alone for exotic class item it was rare to get it out of there anyways...unnecessary bungie.
As a skilled player, I promise that my opponent's skill is much less of a factor in me leaving games than the map selection. I am at least 5x as likely to back out of a game due to playing disfunction and citadel than I am to playing someone on par or better than me
Facts. I don’t mind getting outplayed but if the map is ass im out
You call it ‘disfunction’ too 🤣 same. I quit that disgusting trash everytime. I’d rather get stomped by 3.0kd elites on javelin then ever play that crap… at least im in javelin lol
@Kumari_44 exactly. Give me and every other sweat a 24/7 Jav, Endless Vale, and Dead cliffs rotation and I would sit in the Playlist endlessly.
@@quinnandrews4457 for real!!! They could delete the entire disfunction map file all together. For good. No backup found 😂 and barely anyone would care.
I gotta be honest... the class item updates was NOT what I wanted to hear. Farming exotic class items is such an overwhelmingly daunting task that I have stopped bothering to even try farming it. I don't have the time to dedicate every waking hour to farming that content, I don't want to risk wasting that time on a dupe, and as a primarily solo player the added difficulty of finding a partner to even do the mission in the first place is the straw that broke the back. Sure overthrow chests helps, but if that means as a solo player I've simply redirected every waking hour of possible gaming time to overthrow, with no dupe protection, that does nothing to inspire me to farm.
And what doesn't help is the vast majority of incredibly potent builds in the game post-TFS are utilizing some form of specific class item. Because of the aforementioned lack of extensive available gaming time, I don't really have the time to sit and think up my own builds, I depend on build videos which are now non-functional for me.
LFG and fireteam finder makes it hard to find people? Makes no sense
@@localprime8868 I've done the mission once. Do you have any idea how quickly people leave when they realize that you aren't able to do the mission in your sleep and their farming will be heavily slowed down? LFG and Fireteam finder is only so helpful.
Increasing the loot drop rate is the laziest solution they could think of, they could have done..
- never get a duplicate
- make 1 of the trait selectable
- have it where the traits are unlock-able where you can switch off to the combination you want instead of having 20 different class exotic for each guardian in your account
Ooo, having one Exotic class item, and then just unlocking each exotic trait to switch out would be pretty nice. As long as there isn't a cost to swapping the traits.
3:34 why isn’t the citadel on that list? I get that shitty map every other game??
The exotic class chance update doesn't fucking solve the problem
It still helps
@@Hunt3r001 not really. farming non-overthrow chests is WAY faster than doing overthrow chests. what would really help is duplicate and bad luck protection.
@Hunt3r001 you get a SINGLE extra one a week(per class) while on the Pale Heart they buffed the Overthrow chests but nerfed normal ones basically making it equal. They even said faster on AVERAGE meaning it'll still take forever to get 1. Ppl are being punished because others did macro farming which sucks. So this does almost nothing to help, you get 1 extra a week basically since most are just running Dual Destiny anyway as it's always faster than Pale Heart chests.
Of course it doesn't, cuz Bungie never saw it as a problem to begin with.
@@Hunt3r001nah it don’t help, you get a « chance » of a drop after the end of the activity, which can last 30-40 minutes OR doing the boring mission with someone who is not good via lfg for 30-40 minutes to get a drop. It don’t solve the problem and it’s in any way a buff. Farming chest was actually the fastest way to get exotic class item (you could get at least 8-12 drops/ hours if the RNG was with you versus a 2 drop from the mission each hour/ hour and half)
Wish this August update was the 8.0.0.8.5 update
Destiny is rated T, sir, there will be no degeneracy in bubgis nice, marketable fashion simulator
@@iponce2but this update is straight up 8.0.0.8
@@iponce2also Bungie: “Watch this old man and a robot mush their lips together!”
When is update 8.0.0.5 dropping
@@ringomandingo1015kissing falls under Rated T content buddy
I’m praying Captain Jacobson turns out growing huge like that one concept art image of the giant frog that Bungie never did anything with. That would be so cool and funny!
Love bungie admitting that they still suck at lobby balancing after 10 years, and then punishing players who quit matches over it.
Totally agree.
you quit, you make the environment even worse than it already is so thats no excuse people that do that are part of the problem. Lobby balancing has to get better fast but punishing quitters is a solid bandaid fix for an already bad situation
for the lobby balancing i absolutely hate the direction they’re taking it, when it feels it’s just the 2 people on top of each team competing who can carry their team harder and sometimes the person who should be on top simply doesn’t wanna try or wants to use different loadouts so the whole team ends up getting rolled by that persons matchup
"Increase weighting of popular maps"
Oops, all Javelin-4!
That exotic class item change is more of a nerf than anything. How about double perks on the class item, dupe protection. ANYTHING so I stop getting the same roll over and over again.
I got the same roll three times in a row.
@@burnedbyadragon5424 same :(
Double perks
but to prevent this change from turning into a chade for that 4/4 roll, we get to apply one of the perks in each slots
I’m at 48/64 on my hunter. My last 6 class items were duplicates. Still no caliban/liar. I feel you.
Lol do overthrows you lazy afk farmer
Exotic Class Item Drops were actually nerfed.
At least for non macro chest farming. Which was the fastest way to get drops.
I appreciate Bungie for fixing the chance of titan mains getting inmost/syntho or inmost/assassin from opening chest. Back then we’d get around roughly 0.000625% without factoring in duplication per one chest in pale heart, now it’s practically nonexistent! This is truly one of the Bungie moment!
"Increasing chances of receiving the exotic" my brother in christ, I just want to have someone to complete dual destiny with
Yeah, ive noticed the quiting recently too, lost two games on my 7th match in trials due to a player leaving on my team.
4:35 going 30 matches of iron banner in a row and not 1 win while at the same time topping the chart in your team In most games dear God I was suffering until I hit the bullet and swapped to hunter
10:03 I absolutely hate doing trials and having 1 or both of my teammates leave 1 or 2 rounds in so now I have to reset my passage because it's a guarantee loss on the card
15:40 what would be really cool is if bungie made it possible for the potential to get artifice armor when getting armor drops
23:13 constantly...
27:23 I think we can all agree it shoulda been shaxx who got the attunement focusing since yk it would make more sense despite onslaught being in vanguard tab
They could add where if you quit the match you can't join another crucible mode until that match is over. This also entails that you can join back-in-progress matches.
Ok.
Then maybe not routinely throw players into matches that are already over.
Congrats RestAssured, your build videos are amazing.
I don't mind the increased drop rate from overthrows, I just wish we actually ran into other Guardians in the Pale Heart. I don't have a clan/friends to run overthrows with.
I feel the same way. The location does not feel alive for that reason. But there is always matchmaking available at one of the overthrow locations each day. From there you can fast travel if you want. Once I had a team with 3 different overthrows going on at the same time.
join our community we have tons of people who will join you
Trust me bro I have never gotten class item from doing overthrow once. Not worth it.
The way to fix the class item issue is to add double perks to each column. 1 - it will lower the amount of drops you need to get to get the roll you want. And 2 - it’ll save bank/inv space if you want a variety of combinations
Why reduce our chances from one source when our chances are already low enough?? Why is Bungie always so dumb
lol no shit...even with the double chest macro it's a less than 2% drop rate....i've run multiple 12hr sessions and get between 15-23 (mostly dupes)
I have not played Festiny since the last story week of the first episode because the grind for exotic class items burned me out. TBH, giving one extra drop per character per week isn't likely to bring me back, and the changes to drops in the Pale Heart would probably just exacerbate the burnout from the grind. They definitely need to expand drop sources.
Same, last played in June, and really don’t desire coming back just yet.
I have done nothing but load up destiny run gm log off everything else feels so damn steel and as soon as you play other games and play their updates and content drops you notice how bad destiny is they string us along so bad its unreal drip feeding shit down our throats we tolerate a lot of nonsense that they claim is unavoidable but is al about $$$$$
Man, on the surface, the drop rate changes for exotic class items are a nerf masquerading as a buff unless the increased drop chance is way higher. The community is going to get pissed if the drop rates for overthrow isn't significantly higher, and given how stingy they are being with duality, I can't see those rates going way up.
My prediction is that people are going to be pissed and Bungie would have been better off not announcing anything. They should have just added it to the drop tables for other activities, and is, I'll just wander free roam and get some more drops while the drop rates are still good on random chests.
It’s one of the most powerful exotic pieces of armor in Destiny’s existence.. people need to fucking chill.
@@kellofkells6002 doesn't change the fact you shouldn't call something a buff unless it actually is, and you shouldn't say you are listening and ignore all the suggestions.
Treating your player base like they are stupid is never the play.
@@wy100101 where in the twab does it say the word buff, what timestamp and paragraph ?
@wy100101 where's the nerf ??? Shit is a buff now i have a better chance of getting it from a random chest while playing overthrow
@@Gee-bg2rv Unless you can get them faster than you can get them now running the world chest routes, it is a nerf, and given the fact that they are still being super stingy with duality, I will be shocked if it is faster.
If I can actually get them faster after the changes, I'll take it all back, but I don't expect I will have to.
Here's a thought on #trials. What if they introduced a redemption feature, like if you fall from the gates, and win the next 3 games, it grants you to the lighthouse. Not only it will keep players from ending their run with their card but keep them in the playist for a chance of redeeming themselves. If the lose one of the 3 or 2 games for redemption they have to reset for flawless. ...just a thought.
as for lobby balancing i hate playing trials where if i die the round is over, i hate being the sole thing most of the time thats causing us to win
Fucking right? Like i will lose every single match if i dont sweat my ass off and play at the absolute peak of my ability. I can almost never trust my team mates to clutch up.
Had a comp game yesterday. One guy left, then the other. The enemy team was being a little toxic to me afterwards so i decided to just keep emoting for the 3 mins that were left.
It's so weird when the enemy team is toxic to the one person that chose to stay and fight. If I'm in a match and the enemy team has quitters, I block the people that left, then if my teammates start bagging or using toxic emotes on the one person that stayed I shoot at them or message to stop being toxic.
@@LivingTheorem we had been getting stomped as well, I just started petting the c a t. One person hesitated, but they did eventually kill me.
@@caffinatedredpanda9964 This overall occurrence is way too common. Feels bad on both sides. Those that stayed just want to get the match over with ASAP.
@@LivingTheoremwhat you’re doing is why they do it and you don’t realize it. They look for reactions and you gave them what they wanted so they will keep doing it.
Fixing the matchmaking will fix the quitting issue. I quit games when I'm getting shit on, because it isn't fun, I'm not here to win or lose, I'm here to have fun, if I'm not having fun, then there's no point in me being there.
You just pissed off 90% of all the community
@@HeeHee7681PvP in this game is garbage 💀 so many better options. CSGO for purely aim and game sense, want a movement shooter? Play apex. Way better options than destiny where PVE is the main thing.
I feel like if Bungie can get their lobby balancing together, that will go a long way towards solving the quitting epidemic. It seems foolhardy to think of these as two separate issues. Personally, if I get spawned into a match in progress onto a team that is getting absolutely farmed-which happens WAY more often than it should-I’ll just go to orbit. Why would I stay in a frustrating, completely unbalanced match? My time is valuable, I’m trying to have fun. I shouldn’t be subjected to a frustrating experience over and over again because they can’t figure out how to create close matches with any consistency.
You still get stuff for losing, right? If the game is in progress and your team is losing bad, just put on your favorite off meta weapons and see what zany stuff you can do in like 4 minutes. From the perspective of a non crucible player, that sounds pretty fun lol
@@iponce2 most crucible players would rather not do that as they care about their kd or something like that
@@iponce2 I don’t care about getting rewards, and I don’t really care about my k/d all that much. I care about having fun. The crucible has the highest replay value out of any activity because every match is different. But when matches are stomps one way or the other-as Cross was describing-it’s not fun. And also like Cross was describing, I don’t mind losing as long as it’s close.
The problem is that the lobby balancing has been so bad that stomps are common, and it’s also very common to get spawned into a match in progress on a team that’s getting stomped. Neither of those things are fun. Zany builds are only fun if you can actually do something interesting with them; if all you do is get killed, then respawn, then get killed immediately again because the other team is commanding the whole map, then you don’t actually get to have any fun with ANY build, let alone anything unusual.
@@Steampunkguitars "every crucible match is different" we must be playing different crucibles because every crucible match is exactly the same annoying, boring loop over and over again
@@Steampunkguitars100% agree about crucible’s replayability. I can easily spend 6hours in there to the point that i rarely ever touch pve, unless its to get good weapons/gear for pvp.
Yeah players should only really be matched within their skill level. Thats why sbmm is good… problem is, the elite players dont like that because even though theyre good at the game against lower skilled players… *theyre trash against themselves!* they suck playing players in their own skill bracket. No stomps. No seventeen columns. No we rans. No cool clips. Nothing. Just slow hiding behind cover hide & seek hand cannon gameplay. And they hate it!
But thats not our problem 🤷🏽♂️ you cant divorce difficulty from high levels of skill. End of story. Im not saying it’s their fault for being awesome at the game. Thats great for them. But they dont get to stomp lesser players just to fuel their virgin neckbeard egos. Play at your level!!
But of course, they cant. Thats why they cry about sbmm like babies and cheat their way into vpn bot lobbies instead to stomp terrible players in other countries on the otherside of the world. They’re losers.
they NEED to add a clause for quitting if half your team already has. Look, i'm not saying you should quit if one person does, but if I'm in a 3v6? Man, I don't wanna stick around through that, the enemy team doesn't wanna stick around through that, more often than not you just sit there emoting until the game fills up or people just quit.
Cross: “Buffed”
Kackis: “Nerfed”
lmfaoo a new quitter penalty that makes them permanently on enemy radar like heat rises or detectable on radar from further away, and while no shields they are marked behind walls to enemies within a certain distance. The player has no notification they are penalized.
This keeps more players in the pool so that they don't just wait out the penalty and reduce the population further. It also allows newer players to push a weak target or to focus a single target as a team where they wouldn't have felt comfortable or known to do so before. Plus it's funny 😂
Making players rely on wallhacks to make a play teaches bad habits but I guess they wouldnt have done it before anyway so idk
They deserve the upmost nonsense. Sick of me shiver striking a hunter or solar lock and them immediately quitting because they realized they aren't gonna farm kills the entire map and actually have to TRY
They have to add more rewards for flawless if they are going to make these trails changes, I get what that are trying to do population wise. But there has to be a reason to be in there.
More armour and shaders etc perhaps
I wish they would find a way to bring weapon attunement to Trials. It might make more people do Trials every weekend. Just make your first drop guaranteed to be whatever and the wins after flawless are increased rate to attunement
The current system is kind of a weekly attunement. When it's the featured flawless weapon, that's going to be the weapon that drops most often for wins. I wish there was attunement for the legacy trials weapons.
Honestly for Crucible I wish they'd bring back the large maps cause honestly for me these small and smallish-medium maps are just way too high paced, plus the large maps had the fun aspect of being able to drive tanks and use turrets.
That was back when Crucible was fun 😥💔
That would suck. Coward campers hiding with scout rifles would be everywhere. Vermin.
Literal hell.
@@Kumari_44 as opposed to all the sliding titans with shotguns on small maps and while I don't know if you were playing the game back when it still about but those maps actually had quite a bit of coverage and where multi-layered much like the titan map if not moreso. Plus it had the additional factor that because of the size of the maps that it was impossible for a team to overly dominate by taking the central area and kill opponents as they're spawning, unlike with smaller maps even with an expert team it was impossible to take a lead then seize complete control of the map.
@@syncdom If you had to travel, and did not jump in a vehicle or sparrow, you goofed.
I mean, you are balancing around that one guardian that means that person has to carry the weight. I've seen some cases where we have a top player filled with bronze and the other team is golds+. Like nobody wants to always sweat in a casual setting and then you toss a bad map into the mix which we have plenty of, I understand why some of them just bail. Even I bail if it's just a bad map like you can't force me to stick around when I'm not having fun. I understand bungies choice for doing this but, it doesn't solve the issue of WHYYYY they are leaving in the first place
I think shinies shouldn’t have gone away tbh. Make it a singular drop at the end of a 50 wave at least
This
Dude I was just complaining to my clan about not being able to attune brave weapons :))) this is great
Im sure your clan cared about it as much as we do.
@@arcuz7862their Clan is actually the lead group Bungie and all video games ever made. You better watch your tongue, Bucko!
you should complain more often🙏
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Imagine seeing somebody be positive about something something and then just randomly insult them for no reason. You're probably just jelly they have friends that talk with them
@@hamstsorkxxor Keep yapping, this isn't reddit, nobody cares.
Quitters should have a large dunce cap that increases their precision hit box and is visible over certain cover
It’s funny that Bungie refuses to acknowledge that Quitting is only a problem because of SBMM. It was a non-issue before Sbmm got added during plunder, and then quitting skyrocketed after Sbmm got added.
The refuse to accept that Sbmm just makes the game feel like trash so people just quit matches. The solution to quitting is to just go back to pre-Plunder matchmaking.
My PVP experience lately has been terrible. I got mercy'd 6 times in a row. Constantly top fragging on my team and my numbers are better than the bottom three on the enemy team but somehow still losing constantly.
Edit: I'm also a solo player, so I'm not sure that affects it much or not.
Never got the God roll midnight coup i wanted
(explosive payload + kinetic tremors) so im hyped i’ll be able to get it now
I hope u get one, i have this shiny and enhanced and for PvE its so good, love this gun.
Yup, roll is so fun and you feel the DPS🤩
IMO there should be a knockout system and when you get a specific combination it unlocks the perk combination in your collections. That way we don't have to hoard 64 different combos in our vault ASSUMING you can get each one
The current situation is super unrealistic. There's no way I wanna look at pages of class items in my vault.
It pisses me off how tone deaf they are to the problem regarding exotic class items. They pick something that’s easy to change, even if it doesn’t address any of the problems at all.
Doesn’t benefit their extended player retention goal to fix it, so they’re content with crap like this
I've only ever quit two matches. Once when I was loaded into a Crucible with an 84/23 deficit or something, and another when I had two teammates collecting kills and motes with zero deposits.
Remember when we got random exotics when we first started playing destiny back in the day?
There was so much hype when you got one from a random activity. If i got a random exotic class item after a crucible match and etc. That would bring back that hype feeling from back in the day 🤷♂️
Dude I miss the rewards board you got after crucible matches. I remember being so jealous someone got an exotic 😂
Facts, I literally got dropped my very 1st Gjallerhorn back in D1, from a random Crucible match. 😂 Couldn't believe my luck. lol I miss that sh*t
I was farming them out in the pale heart averaging one every 12 minutes with skating and whatnot, probably not that fast on Titan.
If the overthrow doesn't drop them at least that regularly I'm macroing it...
I’d love to say “just let class items drop from everything all the time!” Because I want a bunch of them. But tbh I understand that they’re meant to be different from our other exotics. They’re meant to be a chase item. That being said it does currently feel bad to farm them no matter how you do it. Depending on how much of a “higher chance” were actually getting, I’m happy they did it this way instead of just making it a chest opening simulator. Overthrow is fun, easy, brainless gameplay that’s actually pretty cool. Class drops gives me even more reason to run it, and I don’t have to stop every thirty seconds to hunt for the nearest world chest. I’m sure I’m in the minority, but if you get 6 per week for 3 runs, and then another 3-5 for a handful of runs of overthrow? I’d be happy. Again, it would have to be a good rate for the overthrow chest, but fingers crossed for that lol
I mean I too understand but its ridiculous considering the drop rate. I can run master SE all challenges in less time than it takes me to get the role I want on a class item.
I'm glad someone said it. It's nice having a exotic that feels exotic and actually excites me when it drops. If it goes to drop from everywhere it runs into the problem of exotics not being as cool because they drop everywhere plus it feels cooler that you have to go to the pale heart it genuinely feels like a gift from the traveler
@@Daoalkala lolol 1000%, i'm just hoping that its a good enough buff to give us like, maybe a drop every 1-3 runs of overthrow? i fee llike that would feel decent enough that i wouldnt care about world chests being nerfed, and if its that good then pairing it with the double loot on 1 run each week? sounds good to me
@@PyroCyce hmmm i agree and don't lol. i don't personally ever look at my 100th drop of knucklehead and say "hmmm this no longer feels exotic", i knwo a lot of people DO feel that, but i never have. the fact that it FEELS exotic feels good to have more of them to me, i just stop caring once i get the rolls i need. same thing with class items. honestly i think if they just add dupe protection or just give us double drops 100% of the time most people would be satisfied at the end of the day
Just give us all maps from d1 and allow us to vote before match starts. If it is near the end why not just open up the doors and give us everything
I’ve only ever queue’d solo in the crucible and i have a 13% winrate this season (i play a lot and have a 1.5 kda)
In 6v6 or 3v3? Individual players have less control over 6v6, so you shouldn't really worry about your win rate there.
@@LivingTheorem Unlike cross, I don't get paid to play this game. So winning is actually kind of critical to the experience.
Bro after getting the transcendent title I never want to do Overthrow again 😩
One of my friends went 3 and 24 in trials last week, he isn’t the worst player, I can beat him in a 1v1, but he’s not terrible, he kept matching gods and wasn’t even flawless, and he kept getting worse players on his team. We both have the iconoclast title, our other friend went flawless his first try, I usually get like 3-4 wins before I got a loss, went flawless after like 3 resets, lobby balancing is definitely messed up.
I agree 100% I can solo flawless but if I play with a buddy it's like 2- 4 wins then Nothing but the sweatiest try hards 3 rounds in a row
This makes me kinda sad. Every single exotic class item i've gotten in the pale heart, has been from the random chests. NOT overthrow. I hope the changed to drop rates is significant because i have never ever gotten a class item from the overthrow chest.
I just don't care about exotic class items anymore
They aren’t something I’ve ever really cared about to begin with. Once I heard that the rolls were completely random, I mentally clocked out. Random roll exotics didn’t work for DMT and Hawkmoon, and they aren’t gonna work for class items either. I’ll just stick with my Getaway, Falling Star, and Nighthawk builds.
Plus the way to obtain them is ridiculous
right on, agreed. maybe one day we'll see them try to gain back community favor and move dual into the exotic rotator and make the items craftable. they should have done that from the start in dual where each week you can unlock 1 perk per ACCOUNT taking about 48 weeks for all 3 characters. making it last the entire DLC cycle for all 3 acts. players wouldnt be able to unlock everything until may 2025.
I agree with your point on lobby balancing.
10:04 Les catching strays for what🤣😭
Finally, I can farm for that Midnight Coup God Roll. Although I am told I already have it; Firefly/Desperate Measures.
I want Explosive Payload/Desperate Measures or One for All tho
Firefly/One for All feels really nice since the AOE explosions will proc OFA. Explosive Payload/One for All is very endgame ready.
As a solo goblin with no friends, in a clan that doesn't talk me to I'm so excited for these trials changes! More loot for the people who show up!!!!
The clan im in doesnt even play anymore not that i understand russian very well when they happen to be around
The dual exotic mission is too hard 😢😅
So class items will also drop from lost sectors of the pale heart.Does that mean that expert lost sectors will have that chance increased even more?
They already do, this just means if you were running Overthrow and stopped before getting one the increased chance carries over to those chests. Doesn't mean they're worth running just for the class items in any way though
They aready do.
But your comment shows that the drop rate is way too low, if you didnt ever drop one from a lost sector :/
I hope the rate buff is enough
Do public event chest count as overthrow chests? Or is it just the vine covered ones and the level 3 boss chest?
@@floresjon87just the vine covered ones and the level 3’s that you get for doing activities like killing mini bosses and stuff like that. The chests that are hive or witness actually have been lowered sadly
Wanna fix 6 stacks force them to play against each other like older fps did.
Dude Bungie just needs to implement what rainbow six siege does for its game. You will be in good standing if you don't quit and you play through the game and for that you get bonus rewards by just simply being a good player or not necessarily good but a player that isn't a quitter.
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Alright, Here is the thing, bonus rewards. What rewards? More engrams, Glimmer, Cores, prisms? The thing is most don't care for that, they care for the actual match and how fun the match is. A bad map is a instant leave, because not only is it a bad map you are being balanced with worse teammates if you are skilled. So you have to carry a worse team on a trash map, nobody wants to be in a sweat factory all day. The issue is the frequency of the bad maps. I'm almost certain you could do a correlation chart and see people leaving trending towards maps more than people just leaving to leave.
@@Unstressing people like you are the reason why people are having such a shitty time in The crucible. If it's a shitty map it's a shitty map suck it up and get through the match. You're putting the other two teammates in a worse position then everyone would have had been if he had just stayed and that's including you. Secondly most of what you just said is a skill issue so just practice and it won't be a problem. And lastly bonus rewards can include bonus XP upon match completion or literally anything like bonus legendary gear or bonus artifice gear drops that the game is already providing. There is no limit to what they could actually provide for an esteemed reputation. And no nobody in the fucking crucible is playing for fun I can assure you. The only thing that makes crucible worth playing right now is the fact that you can get artifice armor and the weapon this season is actually pretty good for comp. Yes obviously having fun is about half of the game and should be treated as such but no one is just going into the crucible to have "fun" It hasn't been fun for a long time. Bungie has a terrible reputation/ track record for balancing things properly for literally anything. I've been playing Destiny 2 since launch.
you know what I wish
that destiny 2 had dedicated servers though
and is The only video game that doesn't have any on it
Exactly that's where most of the problems come from not having dedicated servers for D2 in the first place
10 views in 1 minute bro is actually growing. Proud of you cross
That's a crazy statistic though. Dam people leaving over or near 30% is madness
10 years later they went back on ammo system like d1 and still haven’t figured out how their game works. Its just embarrassing
We prayed for times like this 🙏
"Les the quitter" lol
Ive played multiple comp matches over the last few months where i load in,inspect my team,both running double primary w autos and then i inspect the enemy team and they’re all running full loadouts and builds. Im not playing that waste of time of a match because the outcome is most likele and L for me. I just dont have the time anymore to try and fight that out when i could just leave and have an easier match next game. This is the sentiment from many “high skill” players because the game seemingly gives you games that you’re supposed to lose just so it can keep you within certain parameters.
I think that Bungie is completely lying about who's quitting PvP matches. They just blame "high skill players looking for easier lobbies to stomp on" because they know that they can get everyone to hate those sorts of players -- so that you'll agree to go along with their new changes.
Normal players quit when they're up against lagging enemies that you can't have a fair fight with, or cheaters, or just an unbalanced lobby that they don't feel like suffering through for the next 10 minutes.
And then, as soon as you quit one game, you start getting put into punishment matches with even-worse teammates, even-more-lopsided scores, and even-laggier enemies. And god forbid you quit out of one of those deliberately-unenjoyable experiences that they're putting you in, or the chain of punishment matches will just continue and get worse for you until you finally get a time-out.
This is what Bungie is upset with. Not high-skill accounts looking for easy lobbies like they're a CoD RUclipsr trying to make a gameplay video in 2012. They're upset with _you,_ because you had the temerity to quit out of a match that you weren't having fun with.
How dare you care about your time. How dare you want to have fun with a game that you paid for. You're gonna be punished even harder now.
Crazy that the pvp strike team doesn't seem to understand the problem. A while back they basically said that they define good matchmaking as games where the winner is unpredictable. That doesn't mean you have good matchmaking. That means your prediction algorithm sucks. Destinytracker predicts the winner of my matches with over 90% success. But because bungie sucks at predicting outcomes they get to claim success? Hilarious.
Lost sectors in the pale heart should have a decent chance for an exotic class item, especially considering how brutal they are
Bungie is so top tier at shooting themselves in the foot
Hell, comp is as sweaty af! I haven't seen it this bad since not forgotten was the pinnacle reward for hitting 5500.
1 view one minute bro really, is doing great, keep up the good work
My only issue with iron banner is no rewards to chase, we got one weapon this drop and no armour which is a shame as iron banner armour always is hot as hunters.
They could have just buff the overthrow chest drop rate and leave the pale heart chest as it is. But noooooooo, they have to find a way to fucks the player somehow
This makes more sense and i thought it was silly how it was. The activities go by quickly when everyone participates but why bother if its the same or better to just chase random chests?
Changes don't mean jack shit if we still get duplicate rolls. Farm overthrow for hours only to get duplicates
Something with the quitter thing is that I'd love for a button to rejoin a match I quit in progress.
The reason I say this is that sometimes I get error coded out of a game for one reason or another (whether bungo jank or not), and I want to rejoin to continue helping my team, but I can't, unless I'm playing with a friend and so I can manually rejoin their fireteam if the slot is still open.
The problem is I keep getting disconnected from gambit
Bull, I leave because the people I go against have been flawless 15+ times and that’s all three of the opposite team. On the other hand, my teammates, one just picked up the game because they’re a rank five and the other one’s a rank six make it make sense bungee. 🤦🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
People need to realize either way that 50% of the games played in pvp are losses. No matter how good you are you can't carry a whole team in 6s