He would be my favourite if only he had a more memorable soundtrack. I know it sounds lame but the ost of a boss is pretty important for me when judging the fight. That's why Ludwig is still so good to this day. I think music is also the reason Midra is praised to much. Mechanically he isn't even that notable of a fight. Not bad, just mediocre. But the bloodborne-esque music really elevates the entire Midra experience
Messmer might actualy be one of FS's greatest cooks to date, everything about him is top tier, design, moveset, voice acting, story. Reminds of Isshin tbh, just a 10/10 character.
@@RedHotChiliPepper31 Understandable, they kinda did the same with Malenia in the base game, but that's just the FS way, a boss has 2 lines of dialogue, kills you 20 times and then dies 😅
@robertodelgado6387 No they did way too much with Malenia. She has too much health on top having bullshit. Messmer has too little hp despite being one of their best bosses.
Just the perfect timing. I'll admit, this one is actually flashier than I expected, but it's less "perfection at RL 1" and more "Here's how you can turn this fight in to art all around on both sides of the fight.." Nicely done!
The amount of skill & combat expression in Elden Ring is honestly crazy, it's far ahead of Bloodborne & DS1/2/3, it's why I love Sekiro & Elden Ring combat equally.
He's very straightforward imo in a good way. Challenging but fair. Weirdly enough, he was the one that gave me the least trouble out of all major bosses in the DLC. Beat him in 3 tries. The Hippo in his frontyard took longer...
30 seconds in and this is already your best video. Ive been a fan for years, but this is a new level of planning and punishment. The backstepping is ridiculous. Excellent work!!
Vergil Sephiroth Raven Beak Demi Fiend Etc etc. Mesmer is great though, I just feel like in my opinion is mega wild when I think of Mesmer being the best boss anyone’s ever fought against with a industry so extremely vast
Dude this might be the cleanest I’ve seen anyone do anything in fromsoft games. An that includes his dominance over sekiro cuz omg the spacing an knowledge in this short fight is insane. Legend
Absolutely phenomenal play! The amounts of combat & skill expression you can do in Elden Ring is crazy, same goes for Sekiro, they're miles ahead of its peers like Dark Souls 1/2/3 & Bloodborne. It's mind-blowing! The bosses function on a much more complex level, they prioritize strafing, jumping, ducking follow-ups after jump-attacks, positioning is paramount, they have so many combo-branches & positional-based attacks, while also delayed attacks that punish panic-rolling, so that way you either use delayed attacks by replenishing stamina while repositioning yourself for the next attack, or hit them or even heal during them. That's just the tip of the iceberg really! I feel like people do not know how much combat depth goes in games like Sekiro & ER.
Exactly, most people play the game like Dark Souls 3 where you strictly I-frame the bosses attacks but Elden Ring is so much deeper like you said. Then these Dark Souls 3 and Bloodborne elitists will belittle you for liking Elden Ring bosses more and call "recency bias".
All of this is exactly why I love Elden Ring combat so much. Once you realize what the game is asking from the player, it's so fun to execute. I don't understand the people saying that the combat is worse in this game. Dark Souls combat was fine but it was deliberately slower paced, it was more about managing stamina than anything else. Not fundamentally worse or better than Elden Ring, but if I wanted Dark Souls combat I'd just go play Dark Souls.
The problem with ER is that it doesn't teach u any of those which I fucking hate. Most of us only know that strafing is a thing cos of pro players. The game should've been like Sekiro where it gives u a symbol if u should do a specific action.
@@anonisnoone6125 Some mechanics I agree the game should have done a better job teaching the player (like that jumping deceptively gives you more I-Frames than you would assume), but does the game really need to teach the player about strafing? It's a really intuitive idea in a game that's fundamentally about hitboxes and hurtboxes.
Elden Ring definitely needs a boss rush mode or some way to fight them again... I'd fight bosses all day instead of going through the whole game multiple times.
@@spicymeatandseafoodfry6648 yeah, actually going back and listening, i realize you're right. maybe its that i remember when it does happen a little better than otherwise.
THIS! It’s the exact same complaints that they used to make about Dark Souls 3 back then, “Oh you play like Dark Souls 1 but against Bloodborne enemies/bosses”, it drove me crazy back then, and now it drives me crazy here.
@HeyTarnished It's very frustrating because it sounds like a clever observation but it's anything but. So it gets parroted uncritically all the time. The game gives you so many tools and the bosses are designed to be "taken apart" with whichever tools suit your mood and play style. While there are of course some missteps with certain boss designs overall I see it as a huge step forward for the combat system, which is an incredible feat given the build variety. I've replayed the game with multiple build types/play styles (doing a bow + beast claw build this time) and it's a completely different experience every time.
@@duvetboa Yeah absolutely agree with you! Elden Ring’s combat & skill expression is way beyond Dark Souls 1/2/3 & Bloodborne, just watch ONGBAL playing fighting Lady Maria, watch him fight Ludwig, and then watch him fighting Dancing Lion & Morgott, it’s leaps & bounds better than Bloodborne’s or Dark Souls 3 combat.
@@HeyTarnishedthat’s internet for ya hating on anything that’s new or popular just to be different. elden ring attracted so many new players and alot of the “veterans” hated it for that. because the niche genre of soulslike became very popular. you can kinda compare it to jujutsu kiasen that anime attracted so many people that never watched anime before and people started hating and calling it overrated just so they wouldn’t be associated with the new watchers
@@digital_nex2247 Very true indeed! I just hate it, I loathe it, it’s this constant competition/trend nowadays telling you just “how bad Elden Ring is”, it’s mentally draining, I know it’s all games, nothing is at high stake in here, but man it gets under your skin. At this point it’s literally spreading misinformation & trash talking points that have ideas behind them that communicates to the viewer what is inherently good & bad design, and scrutiny to the nth degree to the point it becomes too pedantic & too frivolous, no longer will there be genuine discussion & actual criticism & praise. Just sheer arrogance, ignorance & stupidity that has poisoned & influenced the majority of the discussions around From Software games. There’s a recent, really great video by Gred Glintstone, and it’s called “The Lost Art of Video Game Critique”, absolutely worth watching it. ❤️
Getting an stance break (1:20) with Bayle's middle finger feels so damn good. It has the "I command thee kneel" energy backed with the unending, primal fury of dragon Satan.
@@BlacklistedSoup if you think so...🤷 In my opinion this Boss is broken and janky as hell - inconsistent AI, too restrictive unintuitive positioning (clone attacks) and no possibility to do something creative like jump punishes or strafes. One of their worst creations ever and none patch can change it.
Favorite boss of the dlc for me as well. Movesets are amazing, and his grab move is fantastic. Plus if anyone wonder : yes, faith is worth the investementis for his weapon, the R2 is nice and Messmer's assault is such an insanely cool combo.
@@hhowdy Im not living in the past, elden ring was the first souls game i played and messmer is absolutely pathetic compared to every boss you mentioned.
@@upsideproductions2 Then you’re just naive, saw your comment btw. He USED to be amazing but ohhh boo hoo he one shot you on your RL1 run so now he’s awful 😢. W logic bro. Do me a favor, you go do a lvl1 run of DS3 and Bloodborne get to Gael and Ludwig and see now if they all of a sudden are terrible because you’ve just limited your self so much to a one shot. You’re obviously just not that skilled of a player to do a RL1 on Messmer (I haven’t and am not that skilled either). But if I did, my favorite bosses won’t become awful because now they one shot me? This is a trash tier take.
What I've been doing lately during playthroughs is when I get to bosses like Godfrey, Messmer, Midra, Maliketh and Morgott I will use a +0 weapon just so I can relish in these incredible fights.
this dlc has some of my favorite bosses messmer, rellana, bayle, radahn(after patch ofc) and even midra. the only bad boss in this dlc is the metyr or whatever its name was and pre patch radahn.
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Ongbal throwing coins at his enemies again. Takes me back
Take me homeee back to ASHINA
Inflation in the lands between must be horrible considering he's just scraping rocks off the ground.
😂😂😂@@Sinhsseax
@@Sinhsseaxbetter than ashina where this one dude uses them as weapons
For the glory of Ashina.
Mesmer might be my favorite Fromsoft boss ever honestly…
One of the best, no doubt. 👍🏻🔝
He would be my favourite if only he had a more memorable soundtrack. I know it sounds lame but the ost of a boss is pretty important for me when judging the fight. That's why Ludwig is still so good to this day. I think music is also the reason Midra is praised to much. Mechanically he isn't even that notable of a fight. Not bad, just mediocre. But the bloodborne-esque music really elevates the entire Midra experience
top 3
isshin
messmer
bayle
@@chantjelly6773for exact that reason midir is my fav boss
I can see that! I prefer Malenia, but he's in my top 5 best bosses ever in gaming for sure!
Messmer might actualy be one of FS's greatest cooks to date, everything about him is top tier, design, moveset, voice acting, story. Reminds of Isshin tbh, just a 10/10 character.
One of the few where I wouldn't change anything. Everything about him is appealing and exactly what I hope for in a main boss.
The way he roasts you skewered on the spear, no one makes better kebabs im sure.
My only complaint is that he’s kind of underutilised despite being hyped up so much by the trailers
@@RedHotChiliPepper31 Understandable, they kinda did the same with Malenia in the base game, but that's just the FS way, a boss has 2 lines of dialogue, kills you 20 times and then dies 😅
@robertodelgado6387 No they did way too much with Malenia. She has too much health on top having bullshit. Messmer has too little hp despite being one of their best bosses.
Messmer lived up to the hype.
Surpassed it
@@hhowdy Agreed 100%. I just wish he had way more hp and a 3rd phase.
My boy do be squishy, but I find that to only add to the replayability. Leaves you craving more.
@@spacenaves also ensures he doesn't overstay his welcome in a high-RL co-op environment
Messmer is so fun to learn how to fight
@ he's the peak of the DLC imo. Best design, best lore, best voice acting, and best attack pattern to learn to dodge.
@@upsideproductions2 Amazing rebuttal my man 👏👏
@@upsideproductions2 So who is in ur opinion?
Just the perfect timing. I'll admit, this one is actually flashier than I expected, but it's less "perfection at RL 1" and more "Here's how you can turn this fight in to art all around on both sides of the fight.."
Nicely done!
yeah there's alot of small openings that he failed to take advantage of, like when he drags his spear on the fround or during certain combos.
That's Ongbal for ya
Messmer getting his ass beat to a pulp while also thinking that ONGBAL just said he's the best boss in the land of shadows
You were magnificent. I will remember you for as long as I live.
- Ongbal
best boss does not necessarily mean the hardest, of course. he's still pretty hard tho
bro has surpassed the dodge roll, he awakened into the back step
Messmer is the most mechanical fight I think I’ve ever seen, everything about it is so perfect!
Same as Erlang shen
and his voice line is so good, i can still remember it now
The amount of skill & combat expression in Elden Ring is honestly crazy, it's far ahead of Bloodborne & DS1/2/3, it's why I love Sekiro & Elden Ring combat equally.
He's very straightforward imo in a good way. Challenging but fair. Weirdly enough, he was the one that gave me the least trouble out of all major bosses in the DLC. Beat him in 3 tries. The Hippo in his frontyard took longer...
Then you haven't seen Morgott. I don't think there's a souls boss more complex than him
01:44 is amazing. Incantations combo made the attack and the dodge can be done at the same time....
Bro when he ended that combo with the sword in the air I had an orgasm
Mindblowing showcase of skill and creativity lol, one day I hope I can play Elden Ring amazingly like this
Even the GOAT knows this is the best boss!
30 seconds in and this is already your best video. Ive been a fan for years, but this is a new level of planning and punishment. The backstepping is ridiculous. Excellent work!!
"I'm gonna put some dirt on your eye." - Ongbal
Facts, this boss was so ridiculously fun it completely surpassed my expectations
those AoW s are juicy
Wow. Looks like a movie fight.
It's always a blast to see you string together a huge amount of different abilities at ridiculously close range like this!
Messmer is so much fun to learn, really fair, and rewarding. Truly fromsoft boss designed peak.
언제나 그렇듯 화려하고 정교하고 기술적인 플레이.
대체 몇 번의 시행 끝에 도달한 것일지..
basically you're the boss now
You are insane... I'm obsessed
"I can't lose to this tarni... Oh is it Ongball? Yes, I can lose."
bro was not dodging... he was dancing 😭
1:18 was pure art "chef's kiss"
Messmer is the best boss of any game I’ve ever played
Same for me
Genichiro is the best ngl
@@albay8121 genichiro is 10/10 but he’s not even top 3 sekiro bosses
Bayle for dlc
And godfrey for base
Have strong arguments
Vergil
Sephiroth
Raven Beak
Demi Fiend
Etc etc.
Mesmer is great though, I just feel like in my opinion is mega wild when I think of Mesmer being the best boss anyone’s ever fought against with a industry so extremely vast
Poor Mesmer, call Mommy😭
Dude this might be the cleanest I’ve seen anyone do anything in fromsoft games. An that includes his dominance over sekiro cuz omg the spacing an knowledge in this short fight is insane. Legend
Peak Elden ring gameplay 💯
Love the builds with all the different spells. You're just whipping em out whenever! ❤
Absolutely phenomenal play! The amounts of combat & skill expression you can do in Elden Ring is crazy, same goes for Sekiro, they're miles ahead of its peers like Dark Souls 1/2/3 & Bloodborne.
It's mind-blowing! The bosses function on a much more complex level, they prioritize strafing, jumping, ducking follow-ups after jump-attacks, positioning is paramount, they have so many combo-branches & positional-based attacks, while also delayed attacks that punish panic-rolling, so that way you either use delayed attacks by replenishing stamina while repositioning yourself for the next attack, or hit them or even heal during them. That's just the tip of the iceberg really! I feel like people do not know how much combat depth goes in games like Sekiro & ER.
Exactly, most people play the game like Dark Souls 3 where you strictly I-frame the bosses attacks but Elden Ring is so much deeper like you said. Then these Dark Souls 3 and Bloodborne elitists will belittle you for liking Elden Ring bosses more and call "recency bias".
That's too much for dark souls 3 players lol
All of this is exactly why I love Elden Ring combat so much. Once you realize what the game is asking from the player, it's so fun to execute.
I don't understand the people saying that the combat is worse in this game. Dark Souls combat was fine but it was deliberately slower paced, it was more about managing stamina than anything else.
Not fundamentally worse or better than Elden Ring, but if I wanted Dark Souls combat I'd just go play Dark Souls.
The problem with ER is that it doesn't teach u any of those which I fucking hate. Most of us only know that strafing is a thing cos of pro players. The game should've been like Sekiro where it gives u a symbol if u should do a specific action.
@@anonisnoone6125 Some mechanics I agree the game should have done a better job teaching the player (like that jumping deceptively gives you more I-Frames than you would assume), but does the game really need to teach the player about strafing? It's a really intuitive idea in a game that's fundamentally about hitboxes and hurtboxes.
1:17 That calculated stance break is insane
Incredible work of art!
Elden Ring definitely needs a boss rush mode or some way to fight them again... I'd fight bosses all day instead of going through the whole game multiple times.
A beautiful ending with this music at the right time (2:21) GG.
/intended
pretty sure its part of the game's design to crescendo when you beat the boss, its cool, but i think it happens every time..
@@achystrawman it does not
@@spicymeatandseafoodfry6648 yeah, actually going back and listening, i realize you're right. maybe its that i remember when it does happen a little better than otherwise.
@@achystrawman yeah I get it, I've had tons of moments when I've killed a boss right at the climax of the song. It's always so cinematic lol
You're an artist, mate.
Damn! That was sick as hell! One of the best you've done I'd say!
It's Midra for me, but I do love me some Messmer.
legendary gameplay as allways
What a dance on display. Ending it right as the chorus comes in for phase 2 gives me goosebumps.
lore accurate tarnished
I don’t have words anymore to describe how sick your skill is😮
your a magician! been waiting to see how you were gonna style this one.
He plays Elden Ring like Sekiro and I’m here for it.
Amazing skills as usual and what creativity here. Just brilliant 🙏
Bro was waiting the thrust to mikiri counter it 1:03
"Elden Ring is bad because it's like fighting Sekiro bosses with a Dark Souls moveset."
Meanwhile Elden Ring:
THIS! It’s the exact same complaints that they used to make about Dark Souls 3 back then, “Oh you play like Dark Souls 1 but against Bloodborne enemies/bosses”, it drove me crazy back then, and now it drives me crazy here.
@HeyTarnished It's very frustrating because it sounds like a clever observation but it's anything but. So it gets parroted uncritically all the time.
The game gives you so many tools and the bosses are designed to be "taken apart" with whichever tools suit your mood and play style. While there are of course some missteps with certain boss designs overall I see it as a huge step forward for the combat system, which is an incredible feat given the build variety.
I've replayed the game with multiple build types/play styles (doing a bow + beast claw build this time) and it's a completely different experience every time.
@@duvetboa Yeah absolutely agree with you! Elden Ring’s combat & skill expression is way beyond Dark Souls 1/2/3 & Bloodborne, just watch ONGBAL playing fighting Lady Maria, watch him fight Ludwig, and then watch him fighting Dancing Lion & Morgott, it’s leaps & bounds better than Bloodborne’s or Dark Souls 3 combat.
@@HeyTarnishedthat’s internet for ya hating on anything that’s new or popular just to be different. elden ring attracted so many new players and alot of the “veterans” hated it for that. because the niche genre of soulslike became very popular. you can kinda compare it to jujutsu kiasen that anime attracted so many people that never watched anime before and people started hating and calling it overrated just so they wouldn’t be associated with the new watchers
@@digital_nex2247 Very true indeed! I just hate it, I loathe it, it’s this constant competition/trend nowadays telling you just “how bad Elden Ring is”, it’s mentally draining, I know it’s all games, nothing is at high stake in here, but man it gets under your skin. At this point it’s literally spreading misinformation & trash talking points that have ideas behind them that communicates to the viewer what is inherently good & bad design, and scrutiny to the nth degree to the point it becomes too pedantic & too frivolous, no longer will there be genuine discussion & actual criticism & praise.
Just sheer arrogance, ignorance & stupidity that has poisoned & influenced the majority of the discussions around From Software games.
There’s a recent, really great video by Gred Glintstone, and it’s called “The Lost Art of Video Game Critique”, absolutely worth watching it. ❤️
Getting an stance break (1:20) with Bayle's middle finger feels so damn good. It has the "I command thee kneel" energy backed with the unending, primal fury of dragon Satan.
I can't believe he managed to use both Light and Bayle's Flame Lightning mid fight, without a stagger...and without being punished!
Wow, a video featuring both the best DLC boss and Messmer!
You somehow keep outdoing yourself. Lost count of how many different skills/spells you used. Absolutely incredible stuff.
Messmer > consort radahn
Every DLC Boss excluding Metyr >>>>>>>>>> Consort Fraudahn
Isn't even debate
@@suchar7175nah he’s still the second or third best DLC boss, at least fight wise.
@@BlacklistedSoup if you think so...🤷
In my opinion this Boss is broken and janky as hell - inconsistent AI, too restrictive unintuitive positioning (clone attacks) and no possibility to do something creative like jump punishes or strafes. One of their worst creations ever and none patch can change it.
@@suchar7175I disagree. His fight is better(after patch) than most of them except messmer and rellana
2:06 what a crazy combo sequence
One of your more fun videos to watch.
1:44 - 1:59
this was the most insane thing I’ve ever seen in Elden Ring, point blank. I really want to do an incantations only playthrough now.
Favorite boss of the dlc for me as well.
Movesets are amazing, and his grab move is fantastic.
Plus if anyone wonder : yes, faith is worth the investementis for his weapon, the R2 is nice and Messmer's assault is such an insanely cool combo.
Wears a heavy hat that increases Vigor.
Doesn’t get hit.
Refuses to elaborate.
Wins and leaves.
Messmer was cool and my 2nd fav boss in the dlc but midra still my no.1
midra was too easy he would have been numbere 1
@@Yive. Yeah Bloodhound Fang is specially made to counter his moves
@@upsideproductions2 bruh
@@upsideproductions2 bad take
Bayle, Midra, and Messmer out here casually being some of the best bosses ever created
Lore accurate Ongbal vs Messmer
I personally think Bayle is my favourite DLC boss by a hair. But Messmer is 100% an extremely close second
Messmer is Elden Rings equivalent to Gael, Ludwig, or Artorias
He’s nowhere near any of them.
@@upsideproductions2 Keep living in the past lil bro
@@hhowdy Im not living in the past, elden ring was the first souls game i played and messmer is absolutely pathetic compared to every boss you mentioned.
@@upsideproductions2 Then you’re just naive, saw your comment btw. He USED to be amazing but ohhh boo hoo he one shot you on your RL1 run so now he’s awful 😢. W logic bro. Do me a favor, you go do a lvl1 run of DS3 and Bloodborne get to Gael and Ludwig and see now if they all of a sudden are terrible because you’ve just limited your self so much to a one shot. You’re obviously just not that skilled of a player to do a RL1 on Messmer (I haven’t and am not that skilled either). But if I did, my favorite bosses won’t become awful because now they one shot me? This is a trash tier take.
@@upsideproductions2He cooked your ass with logic
What I've been doing lately during playthroughs is when I get to bosses like Godfrey, Messmer, Midra, Maliketh and Morgott I will use a +0 weapon just so I can relish in these incredible fights.
This is very much a Sekiro fight haha. Well done!
this dlc has some of my favorite bosses
messmer, rellana, bayle, radahn(after patch ofc) and even midra.
the only bad boss in this dlc is the metyr or whatever its name was and pre patch radahn.
crazy work! best to ever do it!
Love this creative way of fighting
got to 2 minutes before i realized this wasn't P Hub
Man if only every boss they made was this high quality
Nothing can beat soldier of Gorick and you can’t convince me otherwise.
Dang those back steps were wild!
Ongbal always cookin up the most stylish boss fights
ongball: Mesmer, eres el mejor
Mesmer: Esto se siente mejor que la bendición de mi madre
Might be your best fight and that's saying a lot. Completely and utterly styled on him
it's like watching the fruits of a long training, look at how he fucking maximizes damage
When this dude tell "the best boss" ips he means himself
1:54 The pinnacle of epicness begins here
Probably the best video ONGBALL 🎉
cant wait for a inner messmer mod
Messmer is my favourite overall. With Gehrman, Isshin, Radabeast, Bayle and a few others. It's hard to pick.
Even got the music sync with the death dialogue for the extra added emotion. Seriously good theme
My favorite DLC boss is Gaius
But no boss comes close to the level of perfection that is Inner Father from Sekiro
Gaius is your FAVORITE?
Me: rolling for my life slashing and stabbing when I can
Ongbal: phases through attacks, uses 50 different weapons and full charges incantations
That scythe reposte was some Friede shit
My boy Messmer got clowned on by this guy, huge respect
I will never get tired of Ongbal making demigods look like absolute chumps
I didnt even know the tarnished is even capable of some these moves
damn the fight so cinematic !!! I cried !!!
I didn't know you could dodge most of his attacks with backstep, really impressive like always. No hesitation just pure satisfaction.
Well you need the Backstep Talisman in order to give you s the same as normal rolls.
Just noticed how cute his lil grippers are. Truly a 10/10 boss Miyazaki cooked.
I do like it when he combine different spells!
love your vids bur you have to do something with the drip seriously
Messmer and Rellana are easily my two favorite bosses in the DLC.
Bro is tired of dodging its back stepping time
You were literally gliding on him during phase 2 omg
Now this is pure art.
0:50
And people say backstepping has no I-frames.
One day FS is gonna make ongbal as a boss and all of us will be unable to beat him as he will dodge any and all of our attacks.
Funny coincidence. I just watched the assembly video of the lady who won the 800pound lifesize messmer statue😂
No bro, you are the best DLC player
Unbelievable ❤
And bro found Sen throw again 😭