Loved the video! Just a note, Carry On isn’t the fictionalized version of Harry Potter in the Fangirl universe, it’s specifically a fanfic the main character of Fangirl wrote about that fictional Harry Potter series, so even more layers lmao
I dont think its even that, its more the author’s fanfiction of that fictionalized harry potter series in fangirl, not the main character’s fanfiction. Its a whole nother new thing haha
Oh I didn't know that Rowell meant it as a different version of the fanfic than the one written by the main character! I mainly wanted to clarify that Carry On is supposed to be fanfic and not the in-universe story of Simon and Baz, but thanks for correcting me!
it was such a time to be alive. i remember my classmates, both girls and boys, lending out a copy of twilight or harry potter in circulation and wait until the next one finishes. then we'll gush about how we love or hate it. people can say YA is cringy, but teenage years can be cringy. and we were cringe and free.
I was the one lending out my Twilight books to like half the girls on my bus. Totally regretted afterward because not everyone had the same respect for other people's property, so my books were a bit damaged when finally returned to me.
@@Mia_M I just remembered bqck then someone never returned my copy of twilight and I never bought new moon so now I only have the last two books in the series and the covers changed :(
that pause before „a kinda weird, kinda incestious romance“ ☠️ I still think the fact that the majority of the first three books in The Mortal Instruments series is spent debating whether the main couple are siblings is not nearly talked about enough
it's really not. I was just having a discussion about that with my sister a few months ago because that whole thing involving Clary, Sebastian, and Jace was weird af.
@@patax144i started reading the first book when i was 12, saw the main couple were supposedly siblings and quit reading, a few months after that my mom told me they were in fact *not* siblings but i still refuse to this day to continue reading just because of how weird of a plot line that whole thing was lmao
@@kalinapetkova2561 that is fair, in my case I continued just to find out how they were not related, telenovelas got me used to that kind of plot of not really related but kinda
I feel like that's actually the main thing that gets mentioned when people talk about TMI. I honestly find it weird that people focus on it so much. It was known to the reader very quickly that they weren't actually siblings, yet people are scandalised by it. It's not like readers were led to believe there was any actual incest. Also it's so funny how people always mention the main romance as incestuous when the villain made advances on his actual sister - which she was not interested in and he was portrayed as being wrong to do this. It would be a different thing if the characters were portrayed as just shrugging it off, the author left the reader in the dark about it too, or it portrayed an actual incestuous action as something good or normal. Of course nobody has to like reading something like that, but I find it strange how people still view this as something problematic.
Not gonna lie, I interpreted it more as sarcasm. Aveyard mentions in her response that despite bringing all YA cliches into one book, it wasn't a quick/easy success and she still had to put a lot into bringing Red Queen to publication so it definitely wasn't a guaranteed money-making decision. But I do agree that "because money" is definitely relatable LMAO she succeeded regardless of what her intentions might've been
I think she was sarcastic but also, Victoria Aveyard is the most relatable person on the internet for me. I love her insta account and how chill she can be
I wonder if there’s something to be said about the rise of “badass assassin/killer main characters” as a result of the “Bellas/normal girls who need to be saved” popularity of the paranormal romance/dystopian era.
I'd definitely add that the Percy Jackson series (while considered an "older" series like Harry Potter, with the first book published in 2005) really paved the way for mythology/fairy tale retellings. It holds a special place in my heart, since I wasn't really into Harry Potter or Twilight. Also that Rick Riordan helped to promote diverse authors with their own YA novels based on their culture's mythologies starting in 2018 or so (interestingly, around the time of Children of Blood and Bone).
Does everyone get this fun little happy feeling in their chest whenever someone mentions their favorite book in a video or something like that, or is that just me?
To quote the late Sir Terry Pratchett, "Fantasy is without a shadow of a doubt the ur-literature, the spring from which all other literature has flown". Fantasy will always be the genre nobody ages out of, because no matter how old you are, you always keep the same imagination. Thank you for unlocking many of the memories I had stored away with these books!
The thing I liked about the series of that time is how they at least put the number of the series on the spines more often. Now you have to look it up each time you buy a book I’m a series 🤦♀️
Especially when it’s a smaller bookstore and might have sold out of whatever number you’re looking for and you have no idea if it’s a start, middle or end of a series
Sometimes that's also great. I remember reading Legend by Marie Lu and lending it to my best friend. My edition looked just like a standalone book, and she devoured it within a night and ranted about the rather open ending to me the next day at school. I had already finished the trilogy (that was out during that time) and asked her whether she wants me to bring her the second book on the next day, and she just about screamed "THERES A SECOND ONE?!" through the whole hallway
Being a teen fantasy fan before the "YA" shelf was established was an exciting time. You never knew if the pretty lady on the cover was going to be a magical badass or assaulted or both! The description on the back was the only context you were gonna get too. Internet? Doesn't have reviews and can't tie up the house phone line with it anyway.
Lol that’s so true. I grew up in the 80s & 90s and half of my classmates in high school read Flowers in the Attic… the main characters were teenagers after all, it must be YA 💀 The other half read Le Miserables, or at least pretended too lol
@@platedlizard I read quite a few spicy books WELL before I was ready for them. Most I read anyway because I'd spent the money, better get the most *ahem* bang for my buck!
So I have not yet read this series because a friend of mine did not like them that much. But I saw them on youtube so much these last weeks that I will definitly read them in the near future.
I finished the third book yesterday after reading for like 7 hours straight and I’m in the worst book hangover. Given these are the first books I’ve read in a long time, I’m just afraid I won’t find anything better 😭
i love how leonie's explanation of the premise of carry on (which i have never read) made sense the first time, but she still had to explain it a couple more times
Weirdly, I find that Graceling has held up the best for me personally. It’s surprisingly solid storytelling. It avoids a lot of the more weird or cliche tropes. Has a strong female lead that never loses agency and a romantic interest that simply just supports her and is willing to sacrifice for her. No toxicity. Just straight up healthy love interest. Also, love how she ends up using her intellect to defeat the big bad.
I loved it! As a redhead, I especially loved Fire and I loved the maps. I got really frustrated with the newer books, though (Winterkeep and Seasparrow), since I found that the writing has not evolved much. I still like the earlier books because I feel like my younger self reading them.
Yes! Graceling for me personally was the thing that got me back into fantasy and in some ways, back into reading. It still holds up, still one of my favorite books. Love the other books in the series as well, although Seasparrow was disappointing in a way sadly. The change of perspective took a while to get used to.
I am surprised it's so well-beloved because I didn't like it that much when I finished it. Haven't read it for ages though, so maybe I'll give it another shot.
Shadow and Bone also hits every single hallmark of the ya fantasy book. When you were listing the hallmarks I was screaming bc that’s literally shadow and bone
I'm a bit older, and I'd like to submit some entries into the "older YA fantasy" category. The Old Kingdom trilogy by Garth Nix. His Dark Materials by Philip Pullman (perhaps one of the greatest YA fantasy trilogies ever written?). And of course, the YA author Tamora Pierce, who is truly the queen of YA fantasy.
I'm also "a bit older" and came here to mention Garth Nix and Tamora Pierce. Their works definitely built my foundation for my love of fantasy. Eragon as well, but she did mention it in editing.
so nice to see The Raven Cycle be included in this! it's one of the most well-written YA series i've ever read & it still holds up when i reread it a couple years back. while there is a girl among a group of boys, it's still debatable who the main character is lol
totally agree! i read TRC for the first time when i was 15 years old and loved it, and im now rereading it at 19 years old and it holds up so well. the character writing is phenomenal and the premise is so unique, im glad to see that others still remember it fondly!!
I'm a bit older so the pull that got me into fantasy was Narnia, LOTR (pre-movies), Redwall, Watership Down, The Dark Is Rising, Prydain Chronicles etc. But it's a timeless genre--still a favorite! Have a good week, Leonie!
All those series are on my classic favourite shelves, so glad that young me read them! The dark is rising is such a high stakes series, I'm so sad people don't know much about it these days. Other starter series for me were Bruce Coville's Into the land of the Unicorns series, Diana Wynne Jones' books (particularly the Howl's moving castle), all of Robin McKinley's works and all of Garth Nix's works, and the Enchanted Forest Chronicles by Patricia C. Wrede. Also Sherwood Smith's Crown Duel duology, which I am deeply saddened no one knows about, it did enemy to lovers and court intrigue before it became a huge thing.
Graceling is SUCH an underrated series!! I’ve been a fan of these books for over ten years and it’s STILL one of my favourite ya fantasy series 😌 highly highly recommend!
Girl finds out she’s special/royalty, gets taken to a different place/castle, there’s some drama with friends and potential love interest. So the princess diaries is a ya fantasy book? I’m here for it
i binged all three books without reading fangirl last year and I'm obsessed. when she was explaining the 'lore' i was lowkey rolling my eyes because it was not as confusing as she kept reexplaining it to be 💀 it's not confusing at all and i really love the universe it's set in. it's way more than just harry potter esque
You weren't kidding that tumblr response really was legendary. What a frank, level and respectful way of taking it on the chin and doling back the point without seeming rude. Woman knew what her goal was, and was even fine of falling short in its reception, simply because she tried to do what she 'wanted' to do.
Okay... this had me feeling old lol. I'm old enough that my introduction to Cassandra Claire wasn't her published works but her Harry Potter fanfiction (which partially became the City of Bones series), and Twilight and The Hunger Games were the last big YA books I read while still in the YA demographic. But I love how the YA fantasy genre is still going strong today!
My sister is now 30 and 9 years older than me. She used to read Tolkien and Potter books when I was a kid. I used to sneak into her room, steal her books and read them in my room. I was a Hunger Games and Divergent teen
I think Tamara Pierce deserves a huge shout out for being one of the early progenitors of YA fantasy. She wrote tons and tons of awesome books and was my favorite author at one time.
This made me feel ancient...I'm old enough to have had Cassie Claire fans send me death threats when I criticised her Draco trilogy back on LiveJournal 😂 When her Mortal Instruments books were first announced there was a lot of discussion along the lines of "wait, she's getting the *ron/ginny* fic published???" My intro to fantasy was the Old Kingdom series, His Dark Materials, Narnia, Redwall, The Dark Is Rising, The Hobbit, Tortall, and a little bit of Pratchett.
@@alicianichols6757 from other threads, I heard that she wrote a fanfic of Ron and ginny in a romantic relationship... Without changing the fact they were siblings, apparently
Being Brazilian and watching this video is kind of strange because here the books took some time to arrive, and I remember that Twilight was famous around 2009, and City of Bones started to become famous here in 2013. Nowadays, the delay is much smaller (Fourth Wing will be published here next year), but that was one of the things that made me want to learn English to read the releases.
Yesss I totally agree! Although I think the most popular books remained being distopian YA series. I feel like fantasy YA has surpassed it by now, but I’m not sure when…
sameeee I'm not from Brazil but I remember like 10/10+ years ago how books took from 1-2 to 2+ years to get published and basically take off. also just not too many series got translated and published for us as they r now
Thinking back, Raven Boys really was marketed to fit right into the special girl era. The first one specifically at least. Wow, did it turn out to be so much more :D
This is such a great deep dive! I would also add the Old kingdom series by Garth Nix and the Dark materials by Phillip Pullman which gets more mature along with Eragon as a gateway to YA fantasy! Grave mercy sounds so cool I may have to give it a read!
Oooh the old kingdom series is so underrated. I can't even find the books to buy anymore. I have my own copies, but I don't want to loan them out so I was just going to buy another set for someone. That's a series I'd like to see a TV show done of. It could be so good
I love grace mercy and graceling, they still hold up really well and deserve so much more love. Grace Marcy is historical fantasy and that a hard sell for a lot of fantasy readers
Grave Mercy is an all time favorite of mine! Even though I can see how the historical aspects might be a bit heavy, it was such a cool take on the 'fated assassin' trope that it will always have a special place for me. 🙂
I loved the historical aspect of it, but history was also my favorite class in school so that tracks. And what I really like about Grave Mercy is that despite it taking place in the medieval era, the main character has agency and it isn't just constant fear for her safety as a woman.
fun fact!! unlike most people who, like you, got back into reading via shadow and bone, my re-introduction to reading as well as my intro to booktube was the wrath and the dawn! that book changed my life lol
For me it was the webtoon adaptation of TW&TD! I devoured the comic and then found out it was based on a book series so it catapulted me right back into the book world haha
I loveee Grave Mercy, book 2 following the assassin nun Sybella is 🔥🔥🔥 I honestly think it’s not as popular because it leans more historical fiction featuring paranormal powered assassin nuns. It’s also a bit slower compared to more popular fast-pace ya fantasy. Still recommend though for fans of Graceling and Kiss of Deception.
I was going to say this! Grave Mercy and the other books are political historical fiction with some romance and fantastical elements, but even then, the fantasy aspects are more spiritual. I definitely recommend!
Its a great series, but your right, it is very slow, atmospheric and character centric than most popular YA. Even I took a long time to get through them, it isn't what I would call an attention grabbing exciting read.
I was introduced to Twilight right as I was hitting my reading peak. The girls in my girl scout troop were all reading/or had read it, and were talking about the casting of the upcoming movie. One of the girls started reading it aloud as we were driving to our campsite, and I remember sneaking the book that night and read like 10 chapters. She hid the book after that because she didn't like that I read ahead, and then my brother bought all of the books for me a month later. I even put notecards in the first book to mark my favorite passages. The series is also how I made friends with my best friend in 8th grade.
Actually, "Carry on" was the name of the fic that "Fangirl"'main character was writing. The name of the made up Harry Potter saga was "Simon Snow" (name of the hero, how Harry Potter of Rowell). So when the book Carry on is actually published it is supposedly not even the "original" simon snow series, but the fanfiction writen by Cas herself. Which makes it even more meta and also explains why it starts with the characters being already in year 7 at school :)
god no one talks about graceling and that book was INSANE. like i remember it being good and i remember the plot twists kind of hitting, but straight up i never heard anyone talk about it past 2012. it was big enough to get a graphic novel and everything. but past then i never heard ANYTHING
The Mirror's Visitor is just so exceptional (and Six of Crows is amazing too) 😍 And I discovered today that I'm so more mainstream than I thought I was because I read almost all of them in the last 3 years 😂
Graceling still holds up! It’s one of my favorite young adult series ever. I’ve read most of these books you’ve mentioned and that one is still my favorite. Thanks for making these in-depth analysis videos! They are very fun to watch.
To make the Rainbow Rowell situation weirder, Carry On isn’t even the book from Fangirl. The fictional novels are actually called The Simon Snow series. Carry On is, in theory, the fanfic that Cath, the MC of Fangirl, writes.
The Iron King was my FAVOURITE series in high school, it basically changed my life. I'm so happy to see it in a video because I so rarely hear about it 😭
Same!! I really got me into reading all these years ago. Ash is still my standard for all book boyfriends. I reread it last year and it does still hold up!
Graceling, Grave Mercy series, Cinder series, the Iron Fey, oh man you hit on so many books I used to love! Maggie Stievfater still one of my fave authors. And I loved those AG Howard books also.
Great summary/ analysis. Just wanted to add that 2011 brought some more things to the table. The shatter me series was insanely popular (still is due to Booktok! I actaully think this is another case of a book becoming more popular later down the line) and daughter of smoke and bone.
The mortal instruments still have a special place in my heart. I read them around 2017 when I was 15 and I loved all the characters and the vibes of this fantasy concept so much (I still do). These books really got me into reading. Before I was too lazy ngl. Also Cassandra Clare's writing style really influenced my own (I'm a writer btw) and I just love the way she describes characters and their personalities. It feels very real
damn you're just like meeeee😩 the only difference being is that I read the mortal instruments in 2014 (after that the other books in the Shadowhunter universe lol and later on other YA books/series)
Carry on is still one of my favorite book (and now trilogy) and I made a friend of mine read it without reading fangirl and she still loved it a looot. Indeed carry on explain a lot it’s universe and what « happened » in the earlier books of the series that doesn’t exist 😂😂 which is why some people didn’t like it as much because it felt too long to set the story (with Baz taking his time to finally appear). And like some of people said : carry on by rainbow Rowell was described by her as her own fan fiction of the fan fiction cath wrote. Fan fiction which is the character own gay version of the final book of a series which isn’t out yet, so it resolves the series plot too. (Also this fictional book serie isn’t really Harry Potter because Harry Potter also exist in fangirl, the Simon snow series is just one that has gotten as much popularity so that’s why the plot end up being verrryyy different)
I'm so glad you discovered Grave Mercy!! It's one of my favourite series it's so freaking good. I've been raving about it for years trying to get everyone to read it
You are not alone in your Twilight opinions! as someone who has read the Twilight Saga an obscene amount of times (when I was a teen) I can say for sure that if the vampires weren't there then there's no way I would have read those books
I started my fantasy journey early because of my mom, she read me Narnia, Harry Potter, even Lord Of The Rings before I could read books so big myself and it motivated me to read above my grade level so I could read these amazing stories myself. Eragon was the first book series I read completely on my own and I was so excited to see it mentioned here. It will forever hold a special plce in my heart, although I reread it recently and I will say I don't know what my mom was thinking letting me read those books on my own at such a young age. I'm surprised I didn't remember much of the darker elements of the story 😅 but nonetheless I enjoyed them as an adult just as much as I did back then, they're just good fun!
I still love Hex Hall, it's a guilty pleasure I read once a year. Since the Ex Hex blew up, written by the same author, I think it's time for you all to rediscover Hex Hall.
The demon king series (seven realms) and the graceling series are both sooo good, I read them when they first came out and recently reread them and they both hold up 👍🏻
These retrospective videos are making me feel so nostalgic for my teen years where I could read all day long without a care in the world! It's so rare for a book to pull me in the way they did 10+ years ago...
I don't know how big it was outside of my own family because I was just a sapling, but the Old Kingdom series by Garth Nix is definitely a high-fantasy coming-of-age story of a "chosen" girl. The first book was released in 1995, so maybe it came out a little too early for its own good
I still love the graveling books so much and feel like they've just gotten better and better as the series goes on! I also love that every book is a standalone so I can go back to whichever I'm feeling the vibe of
From someone who was a bit out of the young adult age in 2007 - we went through the vampire and fantasy phases anyway, with young or just in their setting inexperiences characters - worked well, too :)
I KNEW you couldn't neglect my bestie Graceling in a video about YA fantasy!! This book remains one of my favorite fantasy books of all time and was incredibly influential on my reading preferences to this day (just like Shadow and Bone was for you). Cinda Williams Chima definitely deserves the shout out as well, so glad to see you giving them the respect!! Funny enough, I fell off reading YA right during early 2012 during the dystopian era's fade out so I missed most of this Golden Age lol.
As a fantasy lover/aspiring writer I loved this video, fantasy has changed my life for the better, (Redwall and warriors are the books I started with 😂, still read them,)
I know that the Daughter of Smoke and Bone trilogy was also a popular fantasy read with the first one being released in 2011. Never read it but want to give it a try. Thanks Leonie for bringing us down memory lane!
Oh my god, Grave Mercy is sooooo slept on. There’s three books and another duology, please give it a shot. Seriously one of my favorite books of all time.
I'm so happy to see other people love Grave Mercy, nobody else I know has read it so I just have to enjoy it on my own 🥲 I just read the duology a few months ago too
Tamora Pierce really did a lot to shape my tweens and early teens with her Wild Magic series. I also am watching this like, yes, I was in high school in 2007 and totally remember all this.
the way i'm not even interested in this but you're making me watch a whole video about it speaks volumes, this keeps happening with your videos i can't even.
Now i want to see the retrospective on retro paranormal romances (as a prequel to these two videos from the series), unless it is available and im simply too blind to notice.
I personally really love the graceling realm and think Kristin Cashore is such a talented writer… but it was the first high fantasy book I read, so maybe, like you said about shadow and bone, that’s why it holds such a special place in my heart 🤷♀️ It’s really great, everyone should read it lol
Enjoyed this video so much! I’m not young, but fairly new to YA Fantasy. I decided to explore some you discussed & I started City of Bones (Mortal Instruments, book 1) & I’m LOVING it! Thank you!
Don’t worry you’re not the only one who liked the vampire aspect of “Twilight” 😁 I read “Twilight” when I was around the same age and I hated the romance, but really loved the bits where the author gave us information to how different vampire families interact or how werewolve packs work.
Yeah, it’s definitely meant to be the fan fiction Cath writes! The series in the book was just called Simon Snow, with the same title style of harry potter
Your youth is showing! Tamora Pierce was a huge influence on the whole “female protagonist YA fantasy” genre, and she got started in the 80s. Dominated the section until the 2000s when your era kicks in. For someone my age it seems like a big miss not to include her.
@@taryndancer29 probably best to start with Song of the Lioness because it’s quite brief and lays the foundation for the whole series - but it is clumsy and immature at times. If it’s not working for you, you can skip ahead to The Immortals quartet, which is very good.
The Lioness series and the Immortals series were my favourites when I was younger, and they still hold a place in my heart, but my absolute favourite is the Protector of the Small Quartet, mostly because while she’s very much in a magical world, she isn’t magical, and her greatest strength is a stubborn desire to do the right thing. I also think it handles the romance better than the previous series’ did.
This video is so well researched I'm really impressed! I super recommend The Raven Cycle series by Maggie Stiefvater; yes they are YA fantasy but they were my all time fave books in my early twenties, they're about ley lines and dead welsh kings and a house full of lovely eccentric mystics
I read the raven cycle series like 2-3 years ago after hearing about it for yearssss and I wanna say you're so right. they all r my lovable traumatized eccentric funny children who I love very very much and it truly is a more lowkey ya fantasy (??) idk how to explain it
Maggie Stiefvater’s writing style is so completely above any other fantasy writing style so it kind of upsets me when it gets lumped together with other fantasy writing that feels rather low tier. Love all her books!
i just watched my life flash before my eyes. this was essentially a breakdown of my formative years from early middle school to high school and my addiction to booktube (which was THE SOURCE of the circulation and hype of most of the YA genre, which was usually all that was ever discussed).
Throne of glass and ACOTAR happened to come into my life when I really needed them to. Theres so much in the books surrounding over coming trauma, and believing in yourself, etc. The ACOTAR series allowed me to see a strong female character who had problems, trauma who manages to grow and become powerful in her own right. Thats why I love them so much
I really do love these types of videos! You can totally see that you put a lot of work and love into these and it brings me so much joy to think about all the things I read back in my teenage years :D
the Fangirl/Carry On explanation was so useful, I joined booktwt back when the 3rd book was being released and after looking at the cover I could swear it was 1D fanfiction (I don't know a thing about 1D/HS, but one of the characters wore a shirt with flowers and I said "oh so that must be the copyright free version of Harry Styles")
thank you leonie. I feel so honored to have lived through this niche part of history. 2015 was one of my best years despite having horrible stuff occurring around me because of how much YA fantasy took off. I remember autumn of 2015 being incredible for me because of the releases of Six of Crows, Carry On, An Ember in the Ashes, ACOTAR, Queen of Shadows, Twilight Life and Death. That year was a great time to be alive
My boyfriend is currently writing a fantasy book, and as he's writing it and i keep reading the drafts, I keep saying to him "The Book Leo" would love this! You're one of the first people I want to send the book to when its finished, just love your approach to analyzing literature!
Between 2010 and 2014 Book trailers on RUclips were being made for a lot of new books. I remember a lot of the fantasy trailers. A lot of those trailers got taken down because RUclips became more serious about copyright laws. The trailers usually had a lot of clips from movies and music videos all compiled together. Schools in the U.S. would play them to get kids to read. I especially remember this in middle school, when they would have mandatory library time. I'm sure not every school did this but a lot of them did.
I love when you do these types of videos! Also, I think one of the reasons why The Mortal Instruments initially was marketed to YA fans of fantasy rather than fans of paranormal romance was because they wanted to capture the Harry Potter audience as they aged out of middle grade books (Cassandra Clare was originally a popular Harry Potter fanfiction writer, one of her fanfiction series was even called The Mortal Instruments). So I feel like the growing popularity of YA fantasy is due to a kind of amalgamation of the popularity of both Harry Potter and Twilight.
Sarah J. Maas' books are seemingly being recategorized as adult fantasy. I remember them being in the YA section when I first started at the bookstore I work at, but they were slowly moved over to the adult section. Interestingly, they seem to be more popular now that they were moved. When they were in YA, we rarely sold them. Now, they fly off the shelves.
lmao carry on is still one of my favorite books of all time and I try to reread it every year. I think it's different enough from harry potter to stand out on it's own and the romance is just chef's kiss. Also the second and third books are a whole different vibe. It's also the reason I got back into reading (I did read twilight and the hunger games but not much else) PLUS I was just so excited to find a queer romance in a published book so it has a special place in my heart haha
seeing this timeline makes me nostalgic because it reminds me of a little book club we used to have with my friends back in 6th grade, it was us, fantasy books and snacks packed by our moms against the world
Loved the video! Just a note, Carry On isn’t the fictionalized version of Harry Potter in the Fangirl universe, it’s specifically a fanfic the main character of Fangirl wrote about that fictional Harry Potter series, so even more layers lmao
that's extra meta haha love that! thank you for clarifying!!
I dont think its even that, its more the author’s fanfiction of that fictionalized harry potter series in fangirl, not the main character’s fanfiction. Its a whole nother new thing haha
one more thing is harry potter still canonically also exists in the fangirl universe but the main character just preferred simon snow 😂
@@TheBookLeomega meta? 🙃
Oh I didn't know that Rowell meant it as a different version of the fanfic than the one written by the main character! I mainly wanted to clarify that Carry On is supposed to be fanfic and not the in-universe story of Simon and Baz, but thanks for correcting me!
it was such a time to be alive. i remember my classmates, both girls and boys, lending out a copy of twilight or harry potter in circulation and wait until the next one finishes. then we'll gush about how we love or hate it. people can say YA is cringy, but teenage years can be cringy. and we were cringe and free.
Cringe and free❤
Cringe and free :’) those books were a bright spot in a difficult time for me. 💕
I was the one lending out my Twilight books to like half the girls on my bus. Totally regretted afterward because not everyone had the same respect for other people's property, so my books were a bit damaged when finally returned to me.
@@Mia_M I just remembered bqck then someone never returned my copy of twilight and I never bought new moon so now I only have the last two books in the series and the covers changed :(
@Mia_M at least you got your copies back. Lol 😆 mine works just disappear 🙃
that pause before „a kinda weird, kinda incestious romance“ ☠️
I still think the fact that the majority of the first three books in The Mortal Instruments series is spent debating whether the main couple are siblings is not nearly talked about enough
If I hadn't been spoiled that they weren't siblings by the time I began reading the series, I probably wouldn't have continued it.
it's really not. I was just having a discussion about that with my sister a few months ago because that whole thing involving Clary, Sebastian, and Jace was weird af.
@@patax144i started reading the first book when i was 12, saw the main couple were supposedly siblings and quit reading, a few months after that my mom told me they were in fact *not* siblings but i still refuse to this day to continue reading just because of how weird of a plot line that whole thing was lmao
@@kalinapetkova2561 that is fair, in my case I continued just to find out how they were not related, telenovelas got me used to that kind of plot of not really related but kinda
I feel like that's actually the main thing that gets mentioned when people talk about TMI. I honestly find it weird that people focus on it so much. It was known to the reader very quickly that they weren't actually siblings, yet people are scandalised by it. It's not like readers were led to believe there was any actual incest. Also it's so funny how people always mention the main romance as incestuous when the villain made advances on his actual sister - which she was not interested in and he was portrayed as being wrong to do this. It would be a different thing if the characters were portrayed as just shrugging it off, the author left the reader in the dark about it too, or it portrayed an actual incestuous action as something good or normal. Of course nobody has to like reading something like that, but I find it strange how people still view this as something problematic.
The fact that Aveyard's response was just, "Because money" is the most relatable thing I've ever heard an author say.
I used to eat those books up so good for her
Not gonna lie, I interpreted it more as sarcasm. Aveyard mentions in her response that despite bringing all YA cliches into one book, it wasn't a quick/easy success and she still had to put a lot into bringing Red Queen to publication so it definitely wasn't a guaranteed money-making decision. But I do agree that "because money" is definitely relatable LMAO she succeeded regardless of what her intentions might've been
Just like Ryan George`s boss!
I think she was sarcastic but also, Victoria Aveyard is the most relatable person on the internet for me. I love her insta account and how chill she can be
Well authors also have to pay rent
I wonder if there’s something to be said about the rise of “badass assassin/killer main characters” as a result of the “Bellas/normal girls who need to be saved” popularity of the paranormal romance/dystopian era.
Leonie did a video where she said the exact same thing!!
You might be right
I'd definitely add that the Percy Jackson series (while considered an "older" series like Harry Potter, with the first book published in 2005) really paved the way for mythology/fairy tale retellings. It holds a special place in my heart, since I wasn't really into Harry Potter or Twilight. Also that Rick Riordan helped to promote diverse authors with their own YA novels based on their culture's mythologies starting in 2018 or so (interestingly, around the time of Children of Blood and Bone).
Percy Jackson books were honestly the cornerstone of my childhood ❤ Annabeth and Percy had my teenage heart ahaha
I don't understand how Leoni totally missed HoO in this review. It is still huge, and is fantasy YA
@@notllikethatits glaringly middlegrade actually
Also the Septimus Heap trilogy.
@@skinnylegend121 YES. HOO is not YA. It’s marketed for teens but it reads like middle grade.
Does everyone get this fun little happy feeling in their chest whenever someone mentions their favorite book in a video or something like that, or is that just me?
Yes, me too!!
Meee!
To quote the late Sir Terry Pratchett, "Fantasy is without a shadow of a doubt the ur-literature, the spring from which all other literature has flown". Fantasy will always be the genre nobody ages out of, because no matter how old you are, you always keep the same imagination. Thank you for unlocking many of the memories I had stored away with these books!
The thing I liked about the series of that time is how they at least put the number of the series on the spines more often. Now you have to look it up each time you buy a book I’m a series 🤦♀️
I hate that, especially when you accidentally buy a book that's not the first in the series but you didn't even know it was a series 😒
frr this is why i just buy box sets
Yes and especially because blurbs contain spoilers
Especially when it’s a smaller bookstore and might have sold out of whatever number you’re looking for and you have no idea if it’s a start, middle or end of a series
Sometimes that's also great. I remember reading Legend by Marie Lu and lending it to my best friend. My edition looked just like a standalone book, and she devoured it within a night and ranted about the rather open ending to me the next day at school. I had already finished the trilogy (that was out during that time) and asked her whether she wants me to bring her the second book on the next day, and she just about screamed "THERES A SECOND ONE?!" through the whole hallway
City of Bones was so fun but like… Cassandra Clare really subjected our young minds to a lot with that romance
So I guess Flowers in the Attic isn’t really popular with the teens nowadays 😂
When the incest twist was revealed I just put it down and never touch them again lmao
Honestly knowing that she was huge into the Harry Potter fanfiction world puts a lot of her weird choices into perspective 😅
Being a teen fantasy fan before the "YA" shelf was established was an exciting time. You never knew if the pretty lady on the cover was going to be a magical badass or assaulted or both! The description on the back was the only context you were gonna get too. Internet? Doesn't have reviews and can't tie up the house phone line with it anyway.
Lol that’s so true. I grew up in the 80s & 90s and half of my classmates in high school read Flowers in the Attic… the main characters were teenagers after all, it must be YA 💀
The other half read Le Miserables, or at least pretended too lol
@@platedlizard I read quite a few spicy books WELL before I was ready for them. Most I read anyway because I'd spent the money, better get the most *ahem* bang for my buck!
The Cruel Prince series deserves ALL the love though. In a saturated market, this series stood out and didnt just "tick the boxes"
100% agree
So I have not yet read this series because a friend of mine did not like them that much. But I saw them on youtube so much these last weeks that I will definitly read them in the near future.
@@iri02802I HIGHLY recommend, the trilogy got me out of my like 5 year reading slump😭
@@iri02802The first book didn’t really do it for me but the second and third I couldn’t put down they were really good
I finished the third book yesterday after reading for like 7 hours straight and I’m in the worst book hangover. Given these are the first books I’ve read in a long time, I’m just afraid I won’t find anything better 😭
i love these “analysis” type of vids✨✨
frfrfrfrfr i hope she does a lot more 😊
@@sadnessofwildgoatssameeee they are so fun :)
i love how leonie's explanation of the premise of carry on (which i have never read) made sense the first time, but she still had to explain it a couple more times
Weirdly, I find that Graceling has held up the best for me personally. It’s surprisingly solid storytelling. It avoids a lot of the more weird or cliche tropes. Has a strong female lead that never loses agency and a romantic interest that simply just supports her and is willing to sacrifice for her. No toxicity. Just straight up healthy love interest. Also, love how she ends up using her intellect to defeat the big bad.
I know, right? It’s sad that it’s not mentioned as often as some of the others
I loved Graceling so much, and reread it recently and it still hits. Such a good book.
I loved it! As a redhead, I especially loved Fire and I loved the maps. I got really frustrated with the newer books, though (Winterkeep and Seasparrow), since I found that the writing has not evolved much. I still like the earlier books because I feel like my younger self reading them.
Yes! Graceling for me personally was the thing that got me back into fantasy and in some ways, back into reading. It still holds up, still one of my favorite books. Love the other books in the series as well, although Seasparrow was disappointing in a way sadly. The change of perspective took a while to get used to.
I am surprised it's so well-beloved because I didn't like it that much when I finished it. Haven't read it for ages though, so maybe I'll give it another shot.
Shadow and Bone also hits every single hallmark of the ya fantasy book. When you were listing the hallmarks I was screaming bc that’s literally shadow and bone
I'm a bit older, and I'd like to submit some entries into the "older YA fantasy" category. The Old Kingdom trilogy by Garth Nix. His Dark Materials by Philip Pullman (perhaps one of the greatest YA fantasy trilogies ever written?). And of course, the YA author Tamora Pierce, who is truly the queen of YA fantasy.
I'm also "a bit older" and came here to mention Garth Nix and Tamora Pierce. Their works definitely built my foundation for my love of fantasy. Eragon as well, but she did mention it in editing.
I'd like to add Inkheart by Cornelia Funke. It even had a movie adaptation.
@@milchreis9554is t ink heart more middle grade though?
@@aberdeen0107 It's recommended for 12 and up and also gets darker as it goes on. So, I wouldn't say so.
Also a bit older, and Tamora Pierce had a choke hold on my teen years.
so nice to see The Raven Cycle be included in this! it's one of the most well-written YA series i've ever read & it still holds up when i reread it a couple years back. while there is a girl among a group of boys, it's still debatable who the main character is lol
totally agree! i read TRC for the first time when i was 15 years old and loved it, and im now rereading it at 19 years old and it holds up so well. the character writing is phenomenal and the premise is so unique, im glad to see that others still remember it fondly!!
I'm a bit older so the pull that got me into fantasy was Narnia, LOTR (pre-movies), Redwall, Watership Down, The Dark Is Rising, Prydain Chronicles etc. But it's a timeless genre--still a favorite! Have a good week, Leonie!
I loved Dark is Rising and Prydian as well! Both fantastic series.
Also for me Tamora Pierce and Mercedes Lackey, who were writing more in the 90s although both still publishing novels now.
All those series are on my classic favourite shelves, so glad that young me read them! The dark is rising is such a high stakes series, I'm so sad people don't know much about it these days. Other starter series for me were Bruce Coville's Into the land of the Unicorns series, Diana Wynne Jones' books (particularly the Howl's moving castle), all of Robin McKinley's works and all of Garth Nix's works, and the Enchanted Forest Chronicles by Patricia C. Wrede. Also Sherwood Smith's Crown Duel duology, which I am deeply saddened no one knows about, it did enemy to lovers and court intrigue before it became a huge thing.
@@Imhrien Yes, so much good literature came out of the 60s and 70s.
@@roseiorillo2832 I'm currently reading Mercedes Lackey's new Valdemar-based series!
Graceling is SUCH an underrated series!! I’ve been a fan of these books for over ten years and it’s STILL one of my favourite ya fantasy series 😌 highly highly recommend!
Hard agree!!
Fire was my fav of the series ughhhh such good memories from the graceling series
@@saralynn22 omg YES Fire is so good!! Definitely one of my faves too 🥰
Yess I love the Graceling books so so much, I recommend them to literally everyone 💖
same here! still a 5 star series to me, will always be one in my heart ♡
Girl finds out she’s special/royalty, gets taken to a different place/castle, there’s some drama with friends and potential love interest. So the princess diaries is a ya fantasy book? I’m here for it
Carry on was experimental but really good. It's so much more than just harry potter fan fiction, it's actually pretty unique and different
i binged all three books without reading fangirl last year and I'm obsessed. when she was explaining the 'lore' i was lowkey rolling my eyes because it was not as confusing as she kept reexplaining it to be 💀 it's not confusing at all and i really love the universe it's set in. it's way more than just harry potter esque
I didn't like the sequels as much but I adore Carry On. It really stands on its own, as much as I liked Fangirl.
You weren't kidding that tumblr response really was legendary. What a frank, level and respectful way of taking it on the chin and doling back the point without seeming rude. Woman knew what her goal was, and was even fine of falling short in its reception, simply because she tried to do what she 'wanted' to do.
Okay... this had me feeling old lol. I'm old enough that my introduction to Cassandra Claire wasn't her published works but her Harry Potter fanfiction (which partially became the City of Bones series), and Twilight and The Hunger Games were the last big YA books I read while still in the YA demographic. But I love how the YA fantasy genre is still going strong today!
My sister is now 30 and 9 years older than me. She used to read Tolkien and Potter books when I was a kid. I used to sneak into her room, steal her books and read them in my room. I was a Hunger Games and Divergent teen
When she said GoT TV series came out in 2011 I was like wait wut??? 😂
Hey, hello, small question since you mentioned CC's fanfic; is it true The Mortal Instruments is based on a Jinni and RON romantic fanfiction..??
@@smaragdapapadopoulou7807 yeah....
I think Tamara Pierce deserves a huge shout out for being one of the early progenitors of YA fantasy. She wrote tons and tons of awesome books and was my favorite author at one time.
The Rainbow Rowell name drop gave me whiplash to my ex pulling out Carry On on a flight and reading the whole thing in five hours during the trip.
Legend my Marie Lu needs a mention in the Dystopian era... It's one of my all time favourite series! Not so popular at this time though!
Literally is my favorite series of all time! So happy to see others who love this series
Justice for Carry On!!! Literally my favorite book of all time! You don’t need to read fangirl to enjoy it lol, it just adds extra context
Scott Westerfeld's Uglies is never talked about but it's the books that got me back into reading. It doesn't get enough credit.
I loved that series so much
This made me feel ancient...I'm old enough to have had Cassie Claire fans send me death threats when I criticised her Draco trilogy back on LiveJournal 😂 When her Mortal Instruments books were first announced there was a lot of discussion along the lines of "wait, she's getting the *ron/ginny* fic published???"
My intro to fantasy was the Old Kingdom series, His Dark Materials, Narnia, Redwall, The Dark Is Rising, The Hobbit, Tortall, and a little bit of Pratchett.
Not enough people have read the Old Kingdom series, in my opinion.
Ron/Ginny fic???
@@alicianichols6757 from other threads, I heard that she wrote a fanfic of Ron and ginny in a romantic relationship... Without changing the fact they were siblings, apparently
Being Brazilian and watching this video is kind of strange because here the books took some time to arrive, and I remember that Twilight was famous around 2009, and City of Bones started to become famous here in 2013. Nowadays, the delay is much smaller (Fourth Wing will be published here next year), but that was one of the things that made me want to learn English to read the releases.
Yesss I totally agree! Although I think the most popular books remained being distopian YA series. I feel like fantasy YA has surpassed it by now, but I’m not sure when…
sameeee I'm not from Brazil but I remember like 10/10+ years ago how books took from 1-2 to 2+ years to get published and basically take off. also just not too many series got translated and published for us as they r now
I read 'Carry On' without reading 'Fangirl', and I really liked it. I gathered it was inspired by Harry Potter but I didnt mind.
Thinking back, Raven Boys really was marketed to fit right into the special girl era. The first one specifically at least. Wow, did it turn out to be so much more :D
like those really r my boys and my girl woahhh they really r my babies
Fantasy stand-alones are really underrated. And it's so nice to read. Wish there were more.
Year of the reaper is a stand-alone that deserves more attention if you want a rec!
This is such a great deep dive! I would also add the Old kingdom series by Garth Nix and the Dark materials by Phillip Pullman which gets more mature along with Eragon as a gateway to YA fantasy! Grave mercy sounds so cool I may have to give it a read!
If you like historical fiction/fantasy, then def read Grave Mercy! It's one of my favorites
Oooh the old kingdom series is so underrated. I can't even find the books to buy anymore. I have my own copies, but I don't want to loan them out so I was just going to buy another set for someone. That's a series I'd like to see a TV show done of. It could be so good
I love grace mercy and graceling, they still hold up really well and deserve so much more love. Grace Marcy is historical fantasy and that a hard sell for a lot of fantasy readers
Grave Mercy is an all time favorite of mine! Even though I can see how the historical aspects might be a bit heavy, it was such a cool take on the 'fated assassin' trope that it will always have a special place for me. 🙂
Yea i agree because its was historical i know a lot of people turned away from it buf i really enjoyed the series
I loved the historical aspect of it, but history was also my favorite class in school so that tracks. And what I really like about Grave Mercy is that despite it taking place in the medieval era, the main character has agency and it isn't just constant fear for her safety as a woman.
I first read Graceling in 2012 and the series remains one of my favorites. Fire is still one of the best books I've ever read. ❤
Oh my god! Fire had me CRYING IN THE SHOWER when *that* happened
fun fact!! unlike most people who, like you, got back into reading via shadow and bone, my re-introduction to reading as well as my intro to booktube was the wrath and the dawn! that book changed my life lol
For me it was the webtoon adaptation of TW&TD! I devoured the comic and then found out it was based on a book series so it catapulted me right back into the book world haha
graceling will always have a special place in my heart as being the book that got me into reading
I loveee Grave Mercy, book 2 following the assassin nun Sybella is 🔥🔥🔥
I honestly think it’s not as popular because it leans more historical fiction featuring paranormal powered assassin nuns.
It’s also a bit slower compared to more popular fast-pace ya fantasy.
Still recommend though for fans of Graceling and Kiss of Deception.
I was going to say this! Grave Mercy and the other books are political historical fiction with some romance and fantastical elements, but even then, the fantasy aspects are more spiritual. I definitely recommend!
Its a great series, but your right, it is very slow, atmospheric and character centric than most popular YA. Even I took a long time to get through them, it isn't what I would call an attention grabbing exciting read.
I was introduced to Twilight right as I was hitting my reading peak. The girls in my girl scout troop were all reading/or had read it, and were talking about the casting of the upcoming movie. One of the girls started reading it aloud as we were driving to our campsite, and I remember sneaking the book that night and read like 10 chapters. She hid the book after that because she didn't like that I read ahead, and then my brother bought all of the books for me a month later. I even put notecards in the first book to mark my favorite passages. The series is also how I made friends with my best friend in 8th grade.
I WAS SO HAPPY AND SURPRISED to see Carry On. I just absolutely devoured those books for the first time! So good, so worth it!
Grave Mercy is WELL worth the read! It’s fantastic! And soooooooo dark! I loved it
Was scrolling the comments for this! Thank you! I will add it to my TBR.
Omg YES!!! One of my favs
Actually, "Carry on" was the name of the fic that "Fangirl"'main character was writing. The name of the made up Harry Potter saga was "Simon Snow" (name of the hero, how Harry Potter of Rowell). So when the book Carry on is actually published it is supposedly not even the "original" simon snow series, but the fanfiction writen by Cas herself. Which makes it even more meta and also explains why it starts with the characters being already in year 7 at school :)
god no one talks about graceling and that book was INSANE. like i remember it being good and i remember the plot twists kind of hitting, but straight up i never heard anyone talk about it past 2012. it was big enough to get a graphic novel and everything. but past then i never heard ANYTHING
I also like the next book in the series, fire, but unfortunately lose interest when we get to bitterblue’s story
The Mirror's Visitor is just so exceptional (and Six of Crows is amazing too) 😍 And I discovered today that I'm so more mainstream than I thought I was because I read almost all of them in the last 3 years 😂
Especially Six of Crows is mainstream
Graceling still holds up! It’s one of my favorite young adult series ever. I’ve read most of these books you’ve mentioned and that one is still my favorite. Thanks for making these in-depth analysis videos! They are very fun to watch.
The Iron King series really began my love for reading. I read the whole series pretty quickly for being 14.
To make the Rainbow Rowell situation weirder, Carry On isn’t even the book from Fangirl. The fictional novels are actually called The Simon Snow series. Carry On is, in theory, the fanfic that Cath, the MC of Fangirl, writes.
The Iron King was my FAVOURITE series in high school, it basically changed my life. I'm so happy to see it in a video because I so rarely hear about it 😭
Me, too!! Was fully in love with those books, I even got it put on a high school “Read” poster and added to the school library, I was so obsessed 😂
Same!! I really got me into reading all these years ago. Ash is still my standard for all book boyfriends. I reread it last year and it does still hold up!
Graceling, Grave Mercy series, Cinder series, the Iron Fey, oh man you hit on so many books I used to love! Maggie Stievfater still one of my fave authors. And I loved those AG Howard books also.
Great summary/ analysis.
Just wanted to add that 2011 brought some more things to the table. The shatter me series was insanely popular (still is due to Booktok! I actaully think this is another case of a book becoming more popular later down the line) and daughter of smoke and bone.
The mortal instruments still have a special place in my heart. I read them around 2017 when I was 15 and I loved all the characters and the vibes of this fantasy concept so much (I still do). These books really got me into reading. Before I was too lazy ngl. Also Cassandra Clare's writing style really influenced my own (I'm a writer btw) and I just love the way she describes characters and their personalities. It feels very real
damn you're just like meeeee😩 the only difference being is that I read the mortal instruments in 2014 (after that the other books in the Shadowhunter universe lol and later on other YA books/series)
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Carry on is still one of my favorite book (and now trilogy) and I made a friend of mine read it without reading fangirl and she still loved it a looot. Indeed carry on explain a lot it’s universe and what « happened » in the earlier books of the series that doesn’t exist 😂😂 which is why some people didn’t like it as much because it felt too long to set the story (with Baz taking his time to finally appear). And like some of people said : carry on by rainbow Rowell was described by her as her own fan fiction of the fan fiction cath wrote. Fan fiction which is the character own gay version of the final book of a series which isn’t out yet, so it resolves the series plot too. (Also this fictional book serie isn’t really Harry Potter because Harry Potter also exist in fangirl, the Simon snow series is just one that has gotten as much popularity so that’s why the plot end up being verrryyy different)
I'm so glad you discovered Grave Mercy!! It's one of my favourite series it's so freaking good. I've been raving about it for years trying to get everyone to read it
You are not alone in your Twilight opinions! as someone who has read the Twilight Saga an obscene amount of times (when I was a teen) I can say for sure that if the vampires weren't there then there's no way I would have read those books
I started my fantasy journey early because of my mom, she read me Narnia, Harry Potter, even Lord Of The Rings before I could read books so big myself and it motivated me to read above my grade level so I could read these amazing stories myself. Eragon was the first book series I read completely on my own and I was so excited to see it mentioned here. It will forever hold a special plce in my heart, although I reread it recently and I will say I don't know what my mom was thinking letting me read those books on my own at such a young age. I'm surprised I didn't remember much of the darker elements of the story 😅 but nonetheless I enjoyed them as an adult just as much as I did back then, they're just good fun!
The Throne of glass series will always hold the biggest place in my heart, being a teen during the golden age was a time to be alive
I still love Hex Hall, it's a guilty pleasure I read once a year. Since the Ex Hex blew up, written by the same author, I think it's time for you all to rediscover Hex Hall.
The demon king series (seven realms) and the graceling series are both sooo good, I read them when they first came out and recently reread them and they both hold up 👍🏻
These retrospective videos are making me feel so nostalgic for my teen years where I could read all day long without a care in the world! It's so rare for a book to pull me in the way they did 10+ years ago...
I don't know how big it was outside of my own family because I was just a sapling, but the Old Kingdom series by Garth Nix is definitely a high-fantasy coming-of-age story of a "chosen" girl. The first book was released in 1995, so maybe it came out a little too early for its own good
I still love the graveling books so much and feel like they've just gotten better and better as the series goes on! I also love that every book is a standalone so I can go back to whichever I'm feeling the vibe of
From someone who was a bit out of the young adult age in 2007 - we went through the vampire and fantasy phases anyway, with young or just in their setting inexperiences characters - worked well, too :)
I KNEW you couldn't neglect my bestie Graceling in a video about YA fantasy!! This book remains one of my favorite fantasy books of all time and was incredibly influential on my reading preferences to this day (just like Shadow and Bone was for you). Cinda Williams Chima definitely deserves the shout out as well, so glad to see you giving them the respect!! Funny enough, I fell off reading YA right during early 2012 during the dystopian era's fade out so I missed most of this Golden Age lol.
As a fantasy lover/aspiring writer I loved this video, fantasy has changed my life for the better, (Redwall and warriors are the books I started with 😂, still read them,)
I know that the Daughter of Smoke and Bone trilogy was also a popular fantasy read with the first one being released in 2011. Never read it but want to give it a try. Thanks Leonie for bringing us down memory lane!
Daughter of Smoke and Bone is a gem!
Read it! that was such a fun and refreshing series that did some very different things with the same old tropes.
Oh my god, Grave Mercy is sooooo slept on. There’s three books and another duology, please give it a shot. Seriously one of my favorite books of all time.
Yes i agree i had so much fun binging the series
I'm so happy to see other people love Grave Mercy, nobody else I know has read it so I just have to enjoy it on my own 🥲 I just read the duology a few months ago too
I have the audiobooks on repeat in my car. They are WONDERFUL.
Man, I was there for the first wave of this. Loved it.
Before that and during and after, it was animals. Anthropomorphic or otherwise.
Tamora Pierce really did a lot to shape my tweens and early teens with her Wild Magic series. I also am watching this like, yes, I was in high school in 2007 and totally remember all this.
@@gabz49242I was also in high school in 2007. What an era that was 😅 good times though!
One of my best friends is a massive Carry on fan but she has never read or even heard of Fangirl so it also went the other way around
How is no one talking about Cinder here? Literally still obsessed with that series!
The Grave Mercy series is one of the most amazing books I have ever read. I find it sad that it is not as popular as it deserves to be.
A 38 minutes analysis video? I’m totally in :)
the way i'm not even interested in this but you're making me watch a whole video about it speaks volumes, this keeps happening with your videos i can't even.
Now i want to see the retrospective on retro paranormal romances (as a prequel to these two videos from the series), unless it is available and im simply too blind to notice.
I personally really love the graceling realm and think Kristin Cashore is such a talented writer… but it was the first high fantasy book I read, so maybe, like you said about shadow and bone, that’s why it holds such a special place in my heart 🤷♀️
It’s really great, everyone should read it lol
I feel like shadow and bone just had such rich, unique lore comparably to other series. It was a bit darker than the others. Throne of glass…idk.
Enjoyed this video so much! I’m not young, but fairly new to YA Fantasy. I decided to explore some you discussed & I started City of Bones (Mortal Instruments, book 1) & I’m LOVING it! Thank you!
Don’t worry you’re not the only one who liked the vampire aspect of “Twilight” 😁 I read “Twilight” when I was around the same age and I hated the romance, but really loved the bits where the author gave us information to how different vampire families interact or how werewolve packs work.
Wait, I thought Carry on (the actual book by Rainbow Rowell) was supposed to be the Fanfiction and not the normal Carry On (as in the book in Fangirl)
Yeah, it’s definitely meant to be the fan fiction Cath writes! The series in the book was just called Simon Snow, with the same title style of harry potter
Your youth is showing! Tamora Pierce was a huge influence on the whole “female protagonist YA fantasy” genre, and she got started in the 80s. Dominated the section until the 2000s when your era kicks in. For someone my age it seems like a big miss not to include her.
I whole heartedly agree. To this day Tamora Pierce is still one of my all time favorite authors.
I wanna start reading her books! Which ones would you recommend?
@@taryndancer29the lioness quartet or the wild magic series were where I started with her.
@@taryndancer29 probably best to start with Song of the Lioness because it’s quite brief and lays the foundation for the whole series - but it is clumsy and immature at times. If it’s not working for you, you can skip ahead to The Immortals quartet, which is very good.
The Lioness series and the Immortals series were my favourites when I was younger, and they still hold a place in my heart, but my absolute favourite is the Protector of the Small Quartet, mostly because while she’s very much in a magical world, she isn’t magical, and her greatest strength is a stubborn desire to do the right thing. I also think it handles the romance better than the previous series’ did.
This video is so well researched I'm really impressed! I super recommend The Raven Cycle series by Maggie Stiefvater; yes they are YA fantasy but they were my all time fave books in my early twenties, they're about ley lines and dead welsh kings and a house full of lovely eccentric mystics
I read the raven cycle series like 2-3 years ago after hearing about it for yearssss and I wanna say you're so right. they all r my lovable traumatized eccentric funny children who I love very very much and it truly is a more lowkey ya fantasy (??) idk how to explain it
Maggie Stiefvater’s writing style is so completely above any other fantasy writing style so it kind of upsets me when it gets lumped together with other fantasy writing that feels rather low tier. Love all her books!
i just watched my life flash before my eyes. this was essentially a breakdown of my formative years from early middle school to high school and my addiction to booktube (which was THE SOURCE of the circulation and hype of most of the YA genre, which was usually all that was ever discussed).
I’m shook hex hall made it onto this list, I loved that series but I’ve never ever heard anyone else mention it
Throne of glass and ACOTAR happened to come into my life when I really needed them to. Theres so much in the books surrounding over coming trauma, and believing in yourself, etc. The ACOTAR series allowed me to see a strong female character who had problems, trauma who manages to grow and become powerful in her own right. Thats why I love them so much
I really do love these types of videos! You can totally see that you put a lot of work and love into these and it brings me so much joy to think about all the things I read back in my teenage years :D
the Fangirl/Carry On explanation was so useful, I joined booktwt back when the 3rd book was being released and after looking at the cover I could swear it was 1D fanfiction (I don't know a thing about 1D/HS, but one of the characters wore a shirt with flowers and I said "oh so that must be the copyright free version of Harry Styles")
thank you leonie. I feel so honored to have lived through this niche part of history. 2015 was one of my best years despite having horrible stuff occurring around me because of how much YA fantasy took off. I remember autumn of 2015 being incredible for me because of the releases of Six of Crows, Carry On, An Ember in the Ashes, ACOTAR, Queen of Shadows, Twilight Life and Death. That year was a great time to be alive
My boyfriend is currently writing a fantasy book, and as he's writing it and i keep reading the drafts, I keep saying to him "The Book Leo" would love this! You're one of the first people I want to send the book to when its finished, just love your approach to analyzing literature!
The great thing about loving books and being born before 2000 means I was an avid fan of all three phases 📚💚
Between 2010 and 2014 Book trailers on RUclips were being made for a lot of new books. I remember a lot of the fantasy trailers. A lot of those trailers got taken down because RUclips became more serious about copyright laws. The trailers usually had a lot of clips from movies and music videos all compiled together. Schools in the U.S. would play them to get kids to read. I especially remember this in middle school, when they would have mandatory library time. I'm sure not every school did this but a lot of them did.
Loved this! Eragon was the book that got me into reading :)
I love when you do these types of videos! Also, I think one of the reasons why The Mortal Instruments initially was marketed to YA fans of fantasy rather than fans of paranormal romance was because they wanted to capture the Harry Potter audience as they aged out of middle grade books (Cassandra Clare was originally a popular Harry Potter fanfiction writer, one of her fanfiction series was even called The Mortal Instruments). So I feel like the growing popularity of YA fantasy is due to a kind of amalgamation of the popularity of both Harry Potter and Twilight.
These retrospective/analysis videos are my favorite!!! Please keep doing them. They are so good!
SO happy that you cited The seven realms! It's one of my favorite YA books but I've never met someone who knows that series. So sad.
Sarah J. Maas' books are seemingly being recategorized as adult fantasy. I remember them being in the YA section when I first started at the bookstore I work at, but they were slowly moved over to the adult section.
Interestingly, they seem to be more popular now that they were moved. When they were in YA, we rarely sold them. Now, they fly off the shelves.
lmao carry on is still one of my favorite books of all time and I try to reread it every year. I think it's different enough from harry potter to stand out on it's own and the romance is just chef's kiss. Also the second and third books are a whole different vibe. It's also the reason I got back into reading (I did read twilight and the hunger games but not much else) PLUS I was just so excited to find a queer romance in a published book so it has a special place in my heart haha
seeing this timeline makes me nostalgic because it reminds me of a little book club we used to have with my friends back in 6th grade, it was us, fantasy books and snacks packed by our moms against the world
Your channel brings me so much joy! and i am so impressed by how much effort you put into giving us a fun presentation! ❤
We absolutely ate, the generations after will never have it as good as we did in the beginning of the YA age