Edit: New update video is out with a look at the chunks/grouping, but without details. Plus I open another booster box to see if I can do it again. ruclips.net/video/1vyJWQbPMzI/видео.html
Good on you for sharing this with the community. It's videos like these that will hopefully get enough exposure to pressure the company and improve its practices moving forward. As long as the company learns from it's mistakes and genuinely strives to do better, the community will support them and the promising direction in which this game is heading.
Yeah tested with 8 boxes, after finding the patterns you can accurately predicted what you are going to get if you open right side top down through left side top down 95% of the time. So open the first pack and find the rare and move down the list. It was then discovered when a legendary should be there they sometimes skip them and if thats the case you will get the next rare in line. Example: Pre Vizsla is followed by Poe but if they skipped it then the next card you will get is Triple Dark Raid. They seem to purposely make cards like Poe a harder hit than other legendary's from what I saw. Still missing where some come in on the line but the list is as follows from what I have recorded, so essentially open pack and find card and move downward. Mandalorian Armor Maul FINAL SHOWDOWN Jango Fett Swoop Down Mystic Reflection Illegal Authoruty Koshka Xanaduu Blood Evidence of the Crime Maz Miggs KYLO Unrefusable Offer Tech Doctor Pershing EVACUATE Arquitens Assault Cruiser Stolen Landspeeder REY Qi'Ra Imprisoned Palpatines Return give into your anger Zorri Bliss First Light SILENCER Choose Sides Vambrace Flame Thrower FINALIZER Kragon Gor Ba Zine SNOKE Wrecker General Rickan Survivors Gauntlet Tobias Becket DJ Ruthlessness Enterprising Lackeys Sugi Let the wookie win Wild Rancor KRATY DRAGON Ephant Mon Mandalorian Altering the dealing Chewbacca Boba Fett Armor Chaos of War Cobb Vanth Val ENDLESS LEGIONS DARK SABER Doctor Evazan Heroic Resolve Inspiring Mentor Lom Pyke VOSS Omega Hotshot Maruader Pre Viszla POE Triple Dark Raid Tarfful
Don't know how this fits into the narrative here, but I opened a box that had 2 copies of endless legion, and that was it for legendaries. I was not happy that day.
There's even a pattern to the hyperspace non-foils. By degen opening I felt like I had opened some of the same HS commons in boxes before. I finally noticed it on my 4th case when I opened the 3rd box and pulled the exact same HS Commons. 2 of the 3 uncommons were the same and the HS rare was the same.
It's normal for this to happen to Shadows of the Galaxy. When the pattern for Spark of Rebellion was discovered, Shadows of the Galaxy was already in production, so it was too late to change how the packs were being "randomized". Now if this happens with Set 3, or the rerelease of Set 1, that's all on FFG.
This is an obvious and glaring issue that needs to be addressed for the long term health of the game. Unfortunately every time it's been brought up, so far, it's largely met with apathy or dismissal from the community. You'll see the same group jump into every chat or comment section to defend, deflect or deny from the core issues at hand. At the end of the day this level of collation error just isn't healthy for the game on any level.
Mighty here. I gave FFG the benefit of the doubt for Ls, since it's a small L count, but seeing the rares like this is insanity. Hopefully they focused on increased randomization for set 3.
this is busted for drafts too if you think about it. pull your rare and now you have an idea of the rest of the rares/Legendaries other players will have.
We saw the Poe/Krayt link multiple times yesterday at our FLGS. We think there is also a big collation issue with commons/uncommons, at least in pre-release kits. Granted more data needs to be collected. A buddy and I opened five prerelease kits each and we had nearly the exact same C/U overages and shortages.
Opened 3 boxes and it didn’t feel random tbh… got three mauls three jango and 3 final showdowns. 2 Poe dameron’s and then Garbo legendaries around the Poe’s and final showdown. Edit.. commented before watching the video all the way and ur box was just like mine
Whoa, thats nuts. That's also near exactly my 2nd box (though I got Kylo instead of Kylo's fighter). I had the Hotshot thru Poe and Maul portion, didn't have the last 3-4 packs you had on the right, I got the Krayt, but then matched again on the whole left from Mon thru Lom. I wish I could get more copies of that box since I need Poe and Krayts. My first box was a total whiff.
Great video, thank you for the information. We're going to discuss this in a video soon as it's madness. Subbed as you've earnt it. Keep up the good work!
It only took me maybe an hour and half to get an excel sheet that I used in the video. Safe to assume that it’s already out there or will be very soon.
Just opened 2 boxes after watching this. My 3rd and 4th overall. I had a Krayt Dragon side that lined up perfectly with your Ephant Mon side. And a Poe side that lined up with your Poe side. I then opened my first Snoke box. And lo and behold - a lot of my new rares to me.
Today I've opened a brand new booster box - half of it was to the t as in video - even the first pack had hyperspace Kylo ship. :D I hope FFG will react and comment to this.
I definitely noticed loose patterns with commons and uncommons, as I pulled boosters I laid them into piles & while sorting after you could clearly see like green Y red X then next time I saw green Y there was also red X.
Wait so if I buy multiple boxes I could get 2 identical boxes of rares/legendaries? I don't want to spend that kind of money to end up getting two identical boxes
Luckily the foils and hyperspaces don’t follow the pattern so you always have a chance to get bonus stuff. But yes it is possible to get two identical boxes from a base perspective.
I thought the prerelease boxes were similarly bad. I got 2 prerelease boxes with Snoke, Bazine, and Zori. And then my poor full box also had a Snoke, Bazine, and Zori.
The Leaders are jacked too. I noticed, similarly to me and probably many others, you did not get a Jabba or Lando. One Aphra was all you got. All the leaders should be in a box, that should be standard. Very disappointed in this revelation and it’s probably not going to get better. Thanks for taking the time.
@@GameBrigade they are supposed to be 1 showcase in every 2 cases I got 2 showcases in 1 case and it was the same one also the case had the se card pulls multiple of the same rare and legendary cards there’s videos out rn about the problem
Haha. Ya so we were gonna do the same thing, make a video and share the list... Lol. But ya some of your list is wrong. Show down is before maul. But anywho.
@@HammerHeadBubba It's weird how two different people can have to different experiences. Stores near me that actually got product, got allocated. So, to keep the game accessible to more people, they are limiting packs per day. I understand it, but don't want to buy loose packs if the odds are someone's taking the hits already.
Just a heads up, the validity of these could be easily questioned. A voice over recording on an already opened box break makes it look like you know the map.
It is a valid admonition for sure; don’t just believe everything you see on the internet. But comparing notes among the people in my group, we were already suspecting this was a problem before this video even came out.
First off no set is truly randomized. The top two tiers (in this series legendary and rare) have sub tiers of rarity and they make sure there is distribution of those tiers. Now I get the pack order is what is wrong, they shouldn’t be in the same order but many many tcg clump the same rares in the same boxes or the same legendarys or mythics in the same boxes to give equal distribution of certain cards. It looks like the packs just weren’t mixed once sorted into set distribution. But again no set is truly random in how it’s put in boxes.
No true randomization does not mean you can't get good randomization, and this is not good randomization. You are correct that the major flaw here is that the packs themselves should have been more randomized in the boxes, but when written with the "there is no true randomization" comment it sounds like this is a forgivable thing like it's impossible to do. It's not! If it was, why does this not happen in any other major modern TCG? When it was just the Ls, a lot of people said this same thing. "There is no true randomization". Now that it's the Rares as well, it's still this comment. What's next? In set 3, we are going to open boxes that are the exact clone of one another and people are still going to say it's fine? (Which btw, I've already seen 2 pairs of cloned boxes in my 24 boxes logged. It's already happening with the base Rs+Ls. And it happened in Set 1 as well)
@@iopentcgs my point is randomization means that the rares in a box could be any set of rares, all outcomes possible . If boxes were truly random then you would have the potential to get boxes that have the same rare repeated in every pack in a single box. That would be worse than what you see. So for instance when I see you open a box of Sorcery all 6 or 7 of your Unique have the potential to be Philosophers Stones, but we know that’s not possible cause there is purposeful collation in what cards go together in which box. Most sets in gaming and sports have track printing and cards are assigned in groups with each other. The problem is before they are place in the box the packs weren’t shuffled and then placed in the box. I don’t how many times I’ve opened boxes of Magic or FaB or older sports cards and seen the same selection of 3 or 4 rares in boxes.
You are correct that there is a middle ground that most TCGs are near when it comes to randomization. FAB even utilizes short printing certain pitch colors of a common to balance out draft. My point is only that you can argue in extremes if you want, which “there is no true randomization” is doing, but it’s also clear that having exact distribution at the cost of knowing exactly what cards can show up is bad too.
@@iopentcgs if the packs were shuffled prior to being put in the box then no one would have noticed this trend. The clumps they are in wouldn’t have been able to be mapped. Plus the fact is most people open full boxes and don’t open single packs unless it’s draft and most drafts I have been in the packs are shuffled in the box before handed out to protect any sort of mapping. The items you got in the box seemed well collated and not many dups. Again it’s a pack shuffling issue which too me isn’t huge since most people open only boxes. Plus LGS I go to also always shuffle the packs in the box before setting them out for sale by pack.
“If the problem was solved before hand, nobody would have noticed the problem”. Yes the packs should have been shuffled. Not just the ones in each box but they should have been shuffled more broadly as well. That’s the problem. Now whether that matters to you is up to you. Depending on the type of person you are, this might not even affect you. But I recognize that there are other types of people who aren’t me where this does negatively affect their experience. Heck, nobody really even mentions how bad this is for draft if they don’t shuffle beforehand. I know we won’t agree on the end, but I appreciate your thoughts!
This was me the whole vídeo 👉🏻🤯 Even tho you were just proving a point, I was still amazed that such I thing happens. Guess what legendaries I got in my display… -Poe -the Dragon -Endless legions 😂 I love the game but they have a huge problem with production 🫠 Only 3 legendaries and one of them is worthless 🖕🏻
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Edit: New update video is out with a look at the chunks/grouping, but without details. Plus I open another booster box to see if I can do it again. ruclips.net/video/1vyJWQbPMzI/видео.html
Good on you for sharing this with the community.
It's videos like these that will hopefully get enough exposure to pressure the company and improve its practices moving forward.
As long as the company learns from it's mistakes and genuinely strives to do better, the community will support them and the promising direction in which this game is heading.
This is insane!! Thanks for sharing. Definitely sticking to boxes from trusted sources and not loose packs.
Yeah tested with 8 boxes, after finding the patterns you can accurately predicted what you are going to get if you open right side top down through left side top down 95% of the time.
So open the first pack and find the rare and move down the list.
It was then discovered when a legendary should be there they sometimes skip them and if thats the case you will get the next rare in line. Example: Pre Vizsla is followed by Poe but if they skipped it then the next card you will get is Triple Dark Raid. They seem to purposely make cards like Poe a harder hit than other legendary's from what I saw.
Still missing where some come in on the line but the list is as follows from what I have recorded, so essentially open pack and find card and move downward.
Mandalorian Armor
Maul
FINAL SHOWDOWN
Jango Fett
Swoop Down
Mystic Reflection
Illegal Authoruty
Koshka
Xanaduu Blood
Evidence of the Crime
Maz
Miggs
KYLO
Unrefusable Offer
Tech
Doctor Pershing
EVACUATE
Arquitens Assault Cruiser
Stolen Landspeeder
REY
Qi'Ra
Imprisoned
Palpatines Return
give into your anger
Zorri Bliss
First Light
SILENCER
Choose Sides
Vambrace Flame Thrower
FINALIZER
Kragon Gor
Ba Zine
SNOKE
Wrecker
General Rickan
Survivors Gauntlet
Tobias Becket
DJ
Ruthlessness
Enterprising Lackeys
Sugi
Let the wookie win
Wild Rancor
KRATY DRAGON
Ephant Mon
Mandalorian
Altering the dealing
Chewbacca
Boba Fett Armor
Chaos of War
Cobb Vanth
Val
ENDLESS LEGIONS
DARK SABER
Doctor Evazan
Heroic Resolve
Inspiring Mentor
Lom Pyke
VOSS
Omega
Hotshot
Maruader
Pre Viszla
POE
Triple Dark Raid
Tarfful
Missing SECOND CHANCE
I used your list. I got rule with respect after evidence of the crime
@@PontusWelin same
do we know why it skips legendaries sometimes on the collation?
@@GameBrigade I think that’s just part of the design of how they assemble boosters.
This was my box. I got all the same rares and legendaries.
I had almost exactly the same box. Got a krayt dragon but not the maul. Otherwise, I think every other card in the rare slot was the same.
Same here this morning
Where can we find the pattern you’re referencing?
Wow, this is insulting by Asmodee. Two of my boxes were identical to this
well at least you got multiple poes lol.
Don't know how this fits into the narrative here, but I opened a box that had 2 copies of endless legion, and that was it for legendaries. I was not happy that day.
There's even a pattern to the hyperspace non-foils. By degen opening I felt like I had opened some of the same HS commons in boxes before. I finally noticed it on my 4th case when I opened the 3rd box and pulled the exact same HS Commons. 2 of the 3 uncommons were the same and the HS rare was the same.
It's normal for this to happen to Shadows of the Galaxy.
When the pattern for Spark of Rebellion was discovered, Shadows of the Galaxy was already in production, so it was too late to change how the packs were being "randomized". Now if this happens with Set 3, or the rerelease of Set 1, that's all on FFG.
you mean the printers, FFG doesn't own the printing company.
@@hisdudeness4925 And what was the pattern of Spark of Rebellion?
This is an obvious and glaring issue that needs to be addressed for the long term health of the game. Unfortunately every time it's been brought up, so far, it's largely met with apathy or dismissal from the community.
You'll see the same group jump into every chat or comment section to defend, deflect or deny from the core issues at hand. At the end of the day this level of collation error just isn't healthy for the game on any level.
Mighty here. I gave FFG the benefit of the doubt for Ls, since it's a small L count, but seeing the rares like this is insanity. Hopefully they focused on increased randomization for set 3.
I wouldn't hold my breath for set 3 to get fixed
this is busted for drafts too if you think about it. pull your rare and now you have an idea of the rest of the rares/Legendaries other players will have.
I asked the lgs to randomise boosters before the top 8 draft the other day
We saw the Poe/Krayt link multiple times yesterday at our FLGS. We think there is also a big collation issue with commons/uncommons, at least in pre-release kits. Granted more data needs to be collected. A buddy and I opened five prerelease kits each and we had nearly the exact same C/U overages and shortages.
I got Poe, no Krayt.
We have five Poe's and one Krayt. The issue can't be that severe...
I too got this same box collation
Opened 3 boxes and it didn’t feel random tbh… got three mauls three jango and 3 final showdowns. 2 Poe dameron’s and then Garbo legendaries around the Poe’s and final showdown.
Edit.. commented before watching the video all the way and ur box was just like mine
Is it bad ediquette to ask for this document? I'm trying to figure out if my lgs is randomizing packs for the draft/sealed nights
Do you have a link to your file you are using to check?
Thanks for exposing the patterns…very concerning! That’s why it’s always important to support your LGS, especially the honest ones !
Whoa, thats nuts. That's also near exactly my 2nd box (though I got Kylo instead of Kylo's fighter). I had the Hotshot thru Poe and Maul portion, didn't have the last 3-4 packs you had on the right, I got the Krayt, but then matched again on the whole left from Mon thru Lom. I wish I could get more copies of that box since I need Poe and Krayts. My first box was a total whiff.
I think my Kryat was 2nd pack and I started from the right, so I had different 4 packs to start, then into your exact same 20.
My box had 2 legendaries, dragon and endless region, opened side by side with a friend he had exactly the same box, dragon endless region and snooke
Great video, thank you for the information. We're going to discuss this in a video soon as it's madness. Subbed as you've earnt it. Keep up the good work!
Now we Need to know of these Infos are already online so we should start avoiding buy loose packs right away
It only took me maybe an hour and half to get an excel sheet that I used in the video. Safe to assume that it’s already out there or will be very soon.
Yo I was on your stream Thursday night when cards were being called out before a pack was opened. Good on you for sharing
Just opened 2 boxes after watching this. My 3rd and 4th overall.
I had a Krayt Dragon side that lined up perfectly with your Ephant Mon side.
And a Poe side that lined up with your Poe side.
I then opened my first Snoke box. And lo and behold - a lot of my new rares to me.
So what does this mean for the showcase cards? Are the box’s mappable for the $200< & up cards?
no, as he stated, foils and hyperspace cards are not mapped.
Today I've opened a brand new booster box - half of it was to the t as in video - even the first pack had hyperspace Kylo ship. :D I hope FFG will react and comment to this.
Is it possible to calculate a pettern every card, no matter the rarity?
However that maybe isent worth it… 😂
I definitely noticed loose patterns with commons and uncommons, as I pulled boosters I laid them into piles & while sorting after you could clearly see like green Y red X then next time I saw green Y there was also red X.
Wait so if I buy multiple boxes I could get 2 identical boxes of rares/legendaries? I don't want to spend that kind of money to end up getting two identical boxes
Luckily the foils and hyperspaces don’t follow the pattern so you always have a chance to get bonus stuff. But yes it is possible to get two identical boxes from a base perspective.
Wow I got same from your right side (first stack) except the Poe I didn't get. Can't remember what was in place, probably a legendary idk.
Wowza
I thought the prerelease boxes were similarly bad. I got 2 prerelease boxes with Snoke, Bazine, and Zori. And then my poor full box also had a Snoke, Bazine, and Zori.
I opened 4 boxes. I got 2 hot shots and 4 Poes. One box had a hyperspace poe and hyperspace foil poe.
This is nuts. Absolutely enormous screw up by FFG. Just... wow.
Your box matches mine from a case I got. It’s identical.
Same
This makes me want to get out of the game already. This is insane.
Is there a list of this rare/legendary ordering anywhere?
Hope not
This is crazy. I'd want money back if I bought a bunch of this product.
My prerelease kit contained 1 Dark Saber (hyperspace) and 2 Evacuates. Anyone else get this?
Mine got 2 evacuates and 2 Mauls but no Dark Saber
@@antoniocatorce Gotcha. No Mauls in mine.
i dont believe the pre release kits follow.
All this doesn’t matter if the streamers shuffle their box. Only by from then.
Thats really bad
How do you know the audio was produced at the same time?
I buy singles from a trusted sorce I’ve gotten over 5 ledgenderies and a showcase from them they shuffle the packs
This is crazy. Are you able to share the map?
As of right now I’m not sharing the details until it’s more public knowledge that this exists to try and prevent any weird stuff!
Thank you for this!
Dude this is nuts
Is there a spreadsheet or something we can use to test this?
The Leaders are jacked too. I noticed, similarly to me and probably many others, you did not get a Jabba or Lando. One Aphra was all you got. All the leaders should be in a box, that should be standard. Very disappointed in this revelation and it’s probably not going to get better. Thanks for taking the time.
This is not luck this is pattern and this is not good in long run ....
Do you have a link to the list?
I got a hotshot blaster but no poe :(
lololololololol Fantasy flight slacking
This is ridiculous
I got this exact box last night 😅
thanks for the video
Pulled 2 mando showcases from my case because of their mistake not complaining
not how it works
@@GameBrigade wym?
@@frankierangel9820 that isn't a mistake. Showcases are random.
@@GameBrigade they are supposed to be 1 showcase in every 2 cases I got 2 showcases in 1 case and it was the same one also the case had the se card pulls multiple of the same rare and legendary cards there’s videos out rn about the problem
@@frankierangel9820 that's the average, doesn't mean this the rule.
I opened my box and only got a endless legion...
You did not only get 1 legendary. Stop
This is disturbingly bad...so...bad.
Haha. Ya so we were gonna do the same thing, make a video and share the list... Lol.
But ya some of your list is wrong. Show down is before maul. But anywho.
I guess FFG doing this to discourage case hoarding and want us to buy loose boxes.
👀👀👀👀
Wild but... Was anybody actually buying loose packs anyway??
Many shops only sell loose booster packs.
@@KimJongUhntiss really? Where? I've been playing tcgs since the 90s and have NEVER seen a store that ONLY sells loose boosters
@@HammerHeadBubba It's weird how two different people can have to different experiences. Stores near me that actually got product, got allocated. So, to keep the game accessible to more people, they are limiting packs per day. I understand it, but don't want to buy loose packs if the odds are someone's taking the hits already.
Jesus, again?
lol
So…..you open a box and find Poe and the Krayt Dragon in there…………., thats fine? Isn‘t it?
Just a heads up, the validity of these could be easily questioned. A voice over recording on an already opened box break makes it look like you know the map.
For sure, I'd have been skeptical had I not gotten mostly the same box and also seen the set 1 pattern.
However I and others are reporting they opened the same box from their store.
Me and my friends open one box each snd we got all same Legendary
It is a valid admonition for sure; don’t just believe everything you see on the internet. But comparing notes among the people in my group, we were already suspecting this was a problem before this video even came out.
Jesus what a stupid game.
First off no set is truly randomized. The top two tiers (in this series legendary and rare) have sub tiers of rarity and they make sure there is distribution of those tiers. Now I get the pack order is what is wrong, they shouldn’t be in the same order but many many tcg clump the same rares in the same boxes or the same legendarys or mythics in the same boxes to give equal distribution of certain cards. It looks like the packs just weren’t mixed once sorted into set distribution. But again no set is truly random in how it’s put in boxes.
No true randomization does not mean you can't get good randomization, and this is not good randomization.
You are correct that the major flaw here is that the packs themselves should have been more randomized in the boxes, but when written with the "there is no true randomization" comment it sounds like this is a forgivable thing like it's impossible to do. It's not! If it was, why does this not happen in any other major modern TCG?
When it was just the Ls, a lot of people said this same thing. "There is no true randomization". Now that it's the Rares as well, it's still this comment. What's next? In set 3, we are going to open boxes that are the exact clone of one another and people are still going to say it's fine?
(Which btw, I've already seen 2 pairs of cloned boxes in my 24 boxes logged. It's already happening with the base Rs+Ls. And it happened in Set 1 as well)
@@iopentcgs my point is randomization means that the rares in a box could be any set of rares, all outcomes possible . If boxes were truly random then you would have the potential to get boxes that have the same rare repeated in every pack in a single box. That would be worse than what you see. So for instance when I see you open a box of Sorcery all 6 or 7 of your Unique have the potential to be Philosophers Stones, but we know that’s not possible cause there is purposeful collation in what cards go together in which box. Most sets in gaming and sports have track printing and cards are assigned in groups with each other. The problem is before they are place in the box the packs weren’t shuffled and then placed in the box.
I don’t how many times I’ve opened boxes of Magic or FaB or older sports cards and seen the same selection of 3 or 4 rares in boxes.
You are correct that there is a middle ground that most TCGs are near when it comes to randomization. FAB even utilizes short printing certain pitch colors of a common to balance out draft.
My point is only that you can argue in extremes if you want, which “there is no true randomization” is doing, but it’s also clear that having exact distribution at the cost of knowing exactly what cards can show up is bad too.
@@iopentcgs if the packs were shuffled prior to being put in the box then no one would have noticed this trend. The clumps they are in wouldn’t have been able to be mapped. Plus the fact is most people open full boxes and don’t open single packs unless it’s draft and most drafts I have been in the packs are shuffled in the box before handed out to protect any sort of mapping. The items you got in the box seemed well collated and not many dups. Again it’s a pack shuffling issue which too me isn’t huge since most people open only boxes. Plus LGS I go to also always shuffle the packs in the box before setting them out for sale by pack.
“If the problem was solved before hand, nobody would have noticed the problem”.
Yes the packs should have been shuffled. Not just the ones in each box but they should have been shuffled more broadly as well. That’s the problem.
Now whether that matters to you is up to you. Depending on the type of person you are, this might not even affect you. But I recognize that there are other types of people who aren’t me where this does negatively affect their experience. Heck, nobody really even mentions how bad this is for draft if they don’t shuffle beforehand.
I know we won’t agree on the end, but I appreciate your thoughts!
Lol.... Play FFG games, get FFG prizes.... Still can't believe people buy from this company
Voice over recorded after Video made.
Should hit up @unplayable about this
This was me the whole vídeo 👉🏻🤯
Even tho you were just proving a point, I was still amazed that such I thing happens.
Guess what legendaries I got in my display…
-Poe
-the Dragon
-Endless legions 😂
I love the game but they have a huge problem with production 🫠
Only 3 legendaries and one of them is worthless 🖕🏻
I am shocked. Thx for sharing. 🫣 I also like this game because game design is top notch but the rest is just shame. 🤮
This is ridiculous