I never thought I’d be back in the ‘house’ again! In 1961, after a couple years driving a coal trailer, I was hired to drive a 1957 Autocar and lowboy moving equipment. ‘ Artie’ the 22b and 30h operator rode with me to load and unload. Once on the ground he would let me “travel” the machine (in drag hoe config) and play at site. After a few months I was actually working the machine while he was BS’ ing. A year later I finally got my commercial pilots license and a whole new life’s career took off. Cable went away replaced by hydraulic and those machines became just a distant fond memory to me till now. Thank you. BTW: I never forgot the words from Artie: “ Be sure to Borax the brakes and DONT FORGET TO DOG THE HOUSE DOWN! “
Maximum Hardcore it means use the locking lever to block the cab from swiveling. When you switch from swinging the cab right and left to traveling forward and reverse you use the same control lever. So when traveling you have no way to control the cab from swinging. And the slightest bit of unlevel ground could cause the cab and boom to swing out of control. A very scary mistake. Dogging just meant locking the cab in old timey language. ( being 80 yo some people have the nerve to call me old timey! Lol)
@@robertodemorto6024 got it, cool to know and something else I’ve learnt about these 22’s. I’ve played on one as a little kid that was dredging a pond near where I grew up and that has always left an impression on me and I would love the chance to run one someday. Thank you very much for your time and great answer to my question.
Every cable crane I ran, the bucket closing and bucket hoist were backwards to what you showed. American, FMC, Loraine, Northwest and Bucyrus cranes were all the same. Both levers were closer together, so when I went to stop the hoist with the bucket closed, one hand would stop both levers, while my left stayed on the swing. The boom dog or lock, only kept the boom from drifting down. It was a lot of fun operating except in the winter. Only heat was from the motor. Real cold days, I’d have to open the front window, as my breathing would fog it up.
Boy that brings back memories. Ran one for 10 years loading trucks. Purchased John Deere 892e in 1994. Pulled machine to corner of property took 471 out so I would never have to get in it again. It still sits there to this day.
Very good instructions , I worked for a county road department for about 35 years and operated one of these machines. You have really rebuilt this machine to a great looking apparatus, thanks for your time and continued good luck to you
I drove a few of these on Geo. Cohen demolition sites around the UK, as well as RB38, NCK Rapier, Jones KL44 and a tiny KL15. The drots, CAT 951, 955, and 977's were a welcome break as they had windows and a seat, all the 22's had oil drums with a cushion on. I used a 1 1/4 ton wrecking ball or a magnet for loading the lorries mostly the drivers liked me because I was gentle on their trailers and loaded the scrap (OA Steel girders mostly) in such a way as it didn't jam up when they tipped it. Lovely machine you have there.
When I was a kid, I was an oiler for a guy, Clyde Noss, who could sing, whistle, and tell jokes while running an 88 B dragline & assumed that was easy to do. Later on I discovered that wasn't quite so easy. 😁 Great to see your B-E still out there & looking good.
Ran a 1933 magnet for a large scrap yard back in the 70's processing #s1, 2, 3, types of metal positioned my crane between the piles so as to load 2 to three trailers with the differen grades at one time. It had an old Continental in line engine with a pony motor to get it started cold. Had to loosen up the injector nuts to prime the cylinders until the fuel was pissin out , then tighten them back down .. the thing was a relic, and a handful when I ran it in the 70's, and the drone, and heat from that engine, along with the constant pressure on your arms and legs to hold up that magnet, then swing, and lower the boom for reach wore me out, at the end of the day! One day the hard ass yard Forman wanted me to finish loading 3 trailers before I could go for a break. It was raining, and he was walking across the yard when my cable drum brake shoes got wet, and wouldn't hold very well. By some quirk of fate he pass by his as the magnet slid down hard in a puddle giving him.a mud bath. The message was recieved, and acknowleged! Don't duck with someone on a piece of heavy machinery!
Years ago in 1981 I was 28 and I started to work on a 1950 22B with a caterpillar engine . I started by unloading boats with a clamshell and time to time with a dragline in a in a gravel quarry . After about 12 years I changed the 22B for an hydrolic crane . But it wasn't so pleasant . Now I am 71 and some time I thing about this nice period .
Great job. Mine is set up for dragline operations. I bought one in Arkansas for $1600. Cranked it with a car battery, freed up the clutch, frictions and loaded it!
Your welcome. Always good to hear from experienced operators. Recently heard from a retired operator who ran the Bucyrus Erie 3270W dragline (176yd bucket) at Ayrshire Mine, Indiana. Get to hear lots of great stories and helpful tips.
Just found this great VLOG and it's brought back memories of the 60s & 70s when I worked for a large UK civil engineering contractor. I drove the Ruston Bucyrus versions of the 10RB, 19RB and my favourite the 22RB. It having the Ruston engine that reached right across the rear of the cab. The controls were the same though, the nick name for cable tracking laying cranes was Navvy's named after the labourers who dug the barging canals by hand. My navvy was employed sinking shafts for the Victoria Line Tube line in London UK. It was also used for general site craneage work and for a while loaded tunnel spoil with a drag line set up, into tipper trucks (dump trucks) for haulage off site. Those drivers had to park in just the right spot otherwise I would waste time jibbing in & out, one driver kept getting it wrong until I dumped a bucket full of wet clay on his truck cab. After my schooling in driving every piece of equipment in the yard, I went underground and learnt to operate the TBM Tunnel Boring Machine and that's where I stayed. Becoming a Senior Inspector of Works and toured the world doing just that, worked on the Sarnia to Port Huron rail tunnel under the St Clair River for Canadian Rail. Retired in 2015 my last project was a subway tunnel in Kuala Lumper Malaysia, so full circle.
Wow I would have loved your career. I drive plant in the UK but its a lot easier, warmer and more comfortable now i bet. I think I would have preferred the navvys though as its a skill that's dying out. Get your self to threlkeld
Boa tarde , Boa noite amigos Não tenho conhecimento com a 22b mais gostaria de ter conhecer da operação em português não tenho outra língua sou um brasileiro ( 🇧🇷 🇧🇷 )
Very interesting and informative 👍I’ve always been passionate about cable machines and cranes especially. All my life I’ve wanted to get into the seat and try running a clam bucket but just never had the chance. But, this gives me a great opportunity to verify all the controls which I have memorized for the most part over the years. Thanks 🙏
I was a Planning Engineer in Brazil, where this amazing machine was produced till 1989/1990. The production was held in the city of Cruzeiro - Sao Paulo State by FNV Veiculos e Equipamentos
This explains so much! Thank you. I’m still sitting on my decision of whether to buy the Unit or the Bucyrus Erie. The scrap man tells me they are going to sit for a while before he cuts them up.
Thank You! Brings back memories. I operated one while in the ND National Guard. It was my favorite big toy, although the payloader was a close second. I never got the hang of a bulldozer (or grader) if you wanted any precision work done. My colleagues came and rescued me from guard duty at summer camp one night to give me a go at a one-time-only shot at placing a pile driver on a piling that was too far in the middle of a creek for a bridge we were putting in. Luckily it worked and I did n't put it in the river from the steep bank. Some enthusiastic summer soldiers provided some counter-weight assistance. The next day, we finally properly built a pad with a dozer for the rest of the piling work.
I've only operated newer hydraulic machines and they are child's play compared to this. I have to give serious respect to the people that ran these beasts.
They both certainly have their own feel. The hardest part with the drag or clam is controlling the weight that is swinging free on 20-40 feet of wire on 40+ feet of boom. It can get out of sort real fast. I feel the older generation were a tough bunch.
In later models they switched the position of the main clutch and the boom hoist levers, I ran three different machines with drag buckets an older one with the clutch and boom hoist levers like yours with the flat pads and two pipeliner models with D7 rails and deep grousers with the clutch and boom hoist levers the opposite way
Fantastic stuff, glad to see folks looking after heritage machines like these. Back in 1982 i was having driving lessons on how to operate an RB38 Cable shovel with the bucket loading away from you, i seem to remember the swing was controlled by foot pedals on that and the only way to stop it swinging was by knocking the swing in the opposite direction, on my first attempt i managed to knock an old three axle dump truck across the quarry floor! Ah happy memories. With regards from Derbyshire, England.
cleanest 22 ive seen for a long time. Over here in the uk it was a 22Rb , the manuals like this are even rarer, great demolition machine. Id give anything to get a job again on a 22, sadly now obsolete in the UK.
Thanks, I believe there were more 22RB's produced than any other cable excavator (over 10,000). Used to see a lot of cranes back in the day, but only a couple left in this area that I know of.
Thanks. A good suggestion, as I can only do so many walkaround videos. I may also do some to explain in more detail how the machinery (clutches, gearboxes, etc) works.
You can raise and lower the boom with a suspended load. With the 22B it is easy because it has a power down feature which gears the boom directly to the motor, and uses engine compression as well as a brake, to keep the boom from dropping too quickly.
A VERY good job! I called out to myself the controls as you went through them and surprisingly enough, I got all of them right and it's been a while so I really was surprised! The 22 that we had with a clam on it was set up like yours. I feathered the hoist while closing and then reached across to the closing clutch lever and kicked the hoist out with my arm while pulling the closing line with my hand. Took a little getting used to but it worked. I ran three 22's. One with the Cummins, one with the pony motor Cat and one that had a I.H. TD14 shoe-horned in it. The last one would bury the bucket and have it coming through the mud like a mole! Too strong but it would dig! Thanks for another good one too.
Dragline bucket and fairlead have been put on machine, but digging is finished for the season. Someone told me the toggle switch is for the flux capacitor, but it doesn't seem to do much.
Great explanation. Nice shovel. Worked hooking logs under a Bantam T350 set up for log skidding. Seems odd to push on the friction levers, on the Bantam, you pull back.
Thanks. I think on most machines you pull back on the levers. I know that after a couple hours, pushing on the levers gets pretty rough. Those old timers were a tough bunch.
I have one just like that but w/a Drag Bucket. I need to adjust the frictions. I paid hardly nothing for it. Was told it hadn’t ran in 20 years. New battery, No ether cranked up immediately!
The 22B i ran back in the early 70 had a cat engine with a pup motor to start the main engine was just a young buck back then thought i had the best job in the world
great video,i drove a 22 rb for several years rigged as dragline and clamshell,there was a manual one with large levers such as the one you show and three air operated ones,only thing i noticed was that on all these ones the outside right lever was a main clutch which acted like the deadman on modern machines,you pushed it forward to engage the main clutch so that you could use the machine.boom hoist was to the left but operated as you say with power lower.wonder if this difference was between models for your market in america and ours in england maybe?certainly brings back memories ,i really enjoyed using the rb22 and would still be driving it today if i could
I ran 22,30,38, In UK and Australia,right hand outside the lever with a trigger lever is the engine clutch,inside lever is boom hoist..never saw any difference in BE machine's,nice vid..
Very interesting and nice machine, I had always thought that you dug over the idlers no matter what attachment like a hydraulic excavator but I stand corrected.
I very rarely dug over the idlers as most of the work was trenches for service pipes or UK house foundations. Both had to be pulled in line and once the machine was set on the line, I just needed to track back after each pull was completed. To pull cross carriage you would need to get back on line, a real time waster and we were paid on completed yardage. The only time I've worked cross carriage is while trimming an embankment on new roadworks.
Only on the shovel do you dig over the idlers, account the shovel has to keep moving forward to advance in its work. On the dragline and dragshovel, the machine has to back away from its work, so the you would dig over the drive sprockets. In reality, the lower works of the machine always heads in a forward direction (drive sprockets to the rear) as the machine advances in its work.
I once had to renew the lower drive shaft that had broken in two on one of these in driving snow. Not exactly a nice job laying on my back in 3" of mud and ice
Great video, you explained it as best you could but these things take a lot of time to figure out its kinda sad no one knows how to run them any more I love a friction rig
jac5344 I count myself among those old timers who had the privrlege of running a few variations on this machine back.in the early 70's. I felt I had a natural knack, and rythem, for making her perform almost like a choreographed set of movements. Yes, it was sometimes repetitious, and sometimes it was challenging, but during the course of an 8 hr day, we made the work almost a pleasure. I have always Loved heavy equipmrnt, and the power, and respect it commands. In the wrong hands, it can do a lot of harm to others, and the operator. Always having to be mindful.of the angle of the boom, and controlled swings, and drops of the bucket, or magnet. I worked outside next to the Hudson diversity strong wind gusts that can catch a boom while swinging., and suddenly lift it if it was beyond the safe angle of ratio to the counter weight. I used to stack 40" concrete slabs, and support beams in a field, and load them.on flat bed trucks. I also ran a Grove runner tire job crane there.. that was back when a guy a thought he was 6" tall, and bullit proof!
What is the purpose of the circular device on the boom with a cable running to the bucket? Is it a pulley with a cable to stabilize the bucket? Is it controllable in any way, or is it just spring loaded? What is it called?
Right Lurker It is called a tagline, and it is spring loaded. It’s main function is to keep the bucket from spinning, which would twist the cables. Its secondary function is to keep the bucket from swinging too much, which the operator can control for the most part.
I believe this is the crane that was working in a sand pit, loading trucks, just north of Crisman in 1957. My father rented the house there from the Crisman Sand company. I remember the brothers first names of the owners Joe and George, their last name i don't remember. My father did some work for them in their sand pits
May I "Assume" this Machine has "NO" transmission with different gears like a Truck would have? Is the Speed only Controlled, to a limited extent, by the Engime Throttle?
I have mine set up with a drag bucket. I need to flip the drag lever where pulling in enables bucket in. Assuming I need to flip the linkage below the cab?
I would think so. I know the levers for drag and raise get flipped for clamshell operation if that is what you mean. If you mean reversing the operation of the levers (pulling in to engage instead of pushing), I am not sure if that can be done.
@@jac5344 on the bigger Draglines we put Crater (like tar) on the ring gear ⚙️ the pinion gear teeth also, talking about the 88-Bs and the Lima 2400s here. The little cranes you put whatever on them as long as you’re not letting any Metal to Metal wear take place, is THAT what you’re getting at.??
Yes, center drive shaft is correct. The inside of the lower frame has a large ring gear. A small gear extending from the bottom of the house frame rides inside the ring gear and turns the house.
I would probably try ebay or craigslist. I tried machinerytrader but they would not place my ad because I couldn't give them a machinery dealer that I had recently used. Pretty hard to find a Bucyrus dealership these days.
Great video jac5344. Never knew what all the levers were for until now. Just wondering where is the fuel tank and filler cap located on these machines with such limited room in the house from the engine, clutches and drums taking up much of the area?
It doesn't really hurt anything, but will cause more wear to the clutch and brake bands. Every function of the friction crane is like a manual transmission. You have to slip the clutches and ride the brakes to some degree to keep bucket from falling.
Hmmm interesting thanks for the reply love your video and the way you explain And describe the what the crane components are and do etc your right on? Had to take a test on a friction crane in NYC so I needed some quick pointers👌👌👌👌👌👌👌
jac5344 it’s funny but over in nyc it’s mandatory to learn how to pass a test provided by state in order to obtain a unlimited crane 🏗 license even if you’ll never operate on this type crane 🤷♂️🤷♂️ pretty cool crane to use nice and challenging 👌
I thought they only had 2. I new both operators then and worked for joe and george on their farm . Joes son was in my class at the Portage school. I wish i could remember their last name
Wondering is the machine running? If so, if their is any pressure on the lock, it won’t release. You usually have to attempt to swing the machine right or left to get the pressure off the lock. If the machine is not running you would have to use a tractor or loader to try to swing the machine a little bit. If neither is the case, then the linkage for the lock is froze up. From underneath the machine look upwards for the big ring gear inside the lower works to find the house lock. I was able to use a pry bar on my 10B to set the house lock when it wouldn’t engage. Hope this helps.
@@jac5344 Yes thanks it's running and we did a little swing movement you could feel it hit a lock.. Will climb under and have a look, was just asking in case it was a well know problem with the 22. My 10B has same house lock as your early 10b video and I have the same bad steering, I'll try to put new material on the brake shoes see if it get better. I got a bunch of lining material and rivets a few years back from a shop in Newark Nj they've been making friction clutch linings for a 100 years, good old fashion stuff with lots of brass which they recommend for these old time machine's as they transfer the heat to the drums very efficiently. Have to look back see if I can find the company name. Thanks for getting back to me so fast hope to stay in touch. Scott
The 22B is currently set up as a dragline. The '37 10B has a shovel front, and my current project is getting the shovel front on the '51 10B operational.
Sorry I have a question that may sound silly but can you raise and lower the boom with a suspended load? Ie: say you have a 5 ton load in the air and you cant reach the drop point, can you boom down with load to reach it or do you have to set the load and reposition and re pick?
thank those 77 hp of many years ago if you now have a comfortable life . But from the way you write the nature has not been a good mother with your mind
@@jac5344 what's a relic like that worth? Looks cool I operate manitowoc 4600 and 4100 and american 9310 dredging and pile driving I would like too have something like that in my back yard for the kids too play with.
I never thought I’d be back in the ‘house’ again! In 1961, after a couple years driving a coal trailer, I was hired to drive a 1957 Autocar and lowboy moving equipment. ‘ Artie’ the 22b and 30h operator rode with me to load and unload. Once on the ground he would let me “travel” the machine (in drag hoe config) and play at site. After a few months I was actually working the machine while he was BS’ ing. A year later I finally got my commercial pilots license and a whole new life’s career took off. Cable went away replaced by hydraulic and those machines became just a distant fond memory to me till now.
Thank you.
BTW: I never forgot the words from Artie: “ Be sure to Borax the brakes and DONT FORGET TO DOG THE HOUSE DOWN! “
Great stuff! Glad you enjoyed, and I’ve got to give the Borax a try. 👍
That’s a great story. What does dog the house down mean? I’ve heard of the borax for the brakes before.
Maximum Hardcore it means use the locking lever to block the cab from swiveling. When you switch from swinging the cab right and left to traveling forward and reverse you use the same control lever. So when traveling you have no way to control the cab from swinging. And the slightest bit of unlevel ground could cause the cab and boom to swing out of control. A very scary mistake. Dogging just meant locking the cab in old timey language. ( being 80 yo some people have the nerve to call me old timey! Lol)
@@robertodemorto6024 got it, cool to know and something else I’ve learnt about these 22’s. I’ve played on one as a little kid that was dredging a pond near where I grew up and that has always left an impression on me and I would love the chance to run one someday. Thank you very much for your time and great answer to my question.
Every cable crane I ran, the bucket closing and bucket hoist were backwards to what you showed. American, FMC, Loraine, Northwest and Bucyrus cranes were all the same. Both levers were closer together, so when I went to stop the hoist with the bucket closed, one hand would stop both levers, while my left stayed on the swing. The boom dog or lock, only kept the boom from drifting down. It was a lot of fun operating except in the winter. Only heat was from the motor. Real cold days, I’d have to open the front window, as my breathing would fog it up.
Boy that brings back memories. Ran one for 10 years loading trucks. Purchased John Deere 892e in 1994. Pulled machine to corner of property took 471 out so I would never have to get in it again. It still sits there to this day.
Very good instructions , I worked for a county road department for about 35 years and operated one of these machines. You have really rebuilt this machine to a great looking apparatus, thanks for your time and continued good luck to you
I used to run Bucyrus 22b in the early 80s it was one of the best jobs I ever had
I drove a few of these on Geo. Cohen demolition sites around the UK, as well as RB38, NCK Rapier, Jones KL44 and a tiny KL15. The drots, CAT 951, 955, and 977's were a welcome break as they had windows and a seat, all the 22's had oil drums with a cushion on. I used a 1 1/4 ton wrecking ball or a magnet for loading the lorries mostly the drivers liked me because I was gentle on their trailers and loaded the scrap (OA Steel girders mostly) in such a way as it didn't jam up when they tipped it. Lovely machine you have there.
Oh yes the old 955 and 951 and 977 caterpillar ...! That was my first piece of heavy equipment to learn on
When I was a kid, I was an oiler for a guy, Clyde Noss, who could sing, whistle, and tell jokes while running an 88 B dragline & assumed that was easy to do. Later on I discovered that wasn't quite so easy. 😁 Great to see your B-E still out there & looking good.
Ran a 1933 magnet for a large scrap yard back in the 70's processing #s1, 2, 3, types of metal positioned my crane between the piles so as to load 2 to three trailers with the differen grades at one time. It had an old Continental in line engine with a pony motor to get it started cold. Had to loosen up the injector nuts to prime the cylinders until the fuel was pissin out , then tighten them back down .. the thing was a relic, and a handful when I ran it in the 70's, and the drone, and heat from that engine, along with the constant pressure on your arms and legs to hold up that magnet, then swing, and lower the boom for reach wore me out, at the end of the day! One day the hard ass yard Forman wanted me to finish loading 3 trailers before I could go for a break. It was raining, and he was walking across the yard when my cable drum brake shoes got wet, and wouldn't hold very well. By some quirk of fate he pass by his as the magnet slid down hard in a puddle giving him.a mud bath. The message was recieved, and acknowleged! Don't duck with someone on a piece of heavy machinery!
Years ago in 1981 I was 28 and I started to work on a 1950 22B with a caterpillar engine . I started by unloading boats with a clamshell and time to time with a dragline in a in a gravel quarry . After about 12 years I changed the 22B for an hydrolic crane . But it wasn't so pleasant . Now I am 71 and some time I thing about this nice period .
Great job. Mine is set up for dragline operations.
I bought one in Arkansas for $1600. Cranked it with a car battery, freed up the clutch, frictions and loaded it!
Thanks! Usually when people are done with these machines they just want them gone. You got a great deal.
Your welcome. Always good to hear from experienced operators. Recently heard from a retired operator who
ran the Bucyrus Erie 3270W dragline (176yd bucket) at Ayrshire Mine, Indiana. Get to hear lots of great stories and helpful tips.
Just found this great VLOG and it's brought back memories of the 60s & 70s when I worked for a large UK civil engineering contractor. I drove the Ruston Bucyrus versions of the 10RB, 19RB and my favourite the 22RB. It having the Ruston engine that reached right across the rear of the cab. The controls were the same though, the nick name for cable tracking laying cranes was Navvy's named after the labourers who dug the barging canals by hand.
My navvy was employed sinking shafts for the Victoria Line Tube line in London UK. It was also used for general site craneage work and for a while loaded tunnel spoil with a drag line set up, into tipper trucks (dump trucks) for haulage off site. Those drivers had to park in just the right spot otherwise I would waste time jibbing in & out, one driver kept getting it wrong until I dumped a bucket full of wet clay on his truck cab.
After my schooling in driving every piece of equipment in the yard, I went underground and learnt to operate the TBM Tunnel Boring Machine and that's where I stayed. Becoming a Senior Inspector of Works and toured the world doing just that, worked on the Sarnia to Port Huron rail tunnel under the St Clair River for Canadian Rail. Retired in 2015 my last project was a subway tunnel in Kuala Lumper Malaysia, so full circle.
Wow I would have loved your career. I drive plant in the UK but its a lot easier, warmer and more comfortable now i bet. I think I would have preferred the navvys though as its a skill that's dying out. Get your self to threlkeld
Boa tarde , Boa noite amigos Não tenho conhecimento com a 22b mais gostaria de ter conhecer da operação em português não tenho outra língua sou um brasileiro ( 🇧🇷 🇧🇷 )
Very interesting and informative 👍I’ve always been passionate about cable machines and cranes especially. All my life I’ve wanted to get into the seat and try running a clam bucket but just never had the chance. But, this gives me a great opportunity to verify all the controls which I have memorized for the most part over the years. Thanks 🙏
B-E were beautiful machines. Love the colors.
I was a Planning Engineer in Brazil, where this amazing machine was produced till 1989/1990. The production was held in the city of Cruzeiro - Sao Paulo State by FNV Veiculos e Equipamentos
This explains so much! Thank you.
I’m still sitting on my decision of whether to buy the Unit or the Bucyrus Erie.
The scrap man tells me they are going to sit for a while before he cuts them up.
Thank You! Brings back memories. I operated one while in the ND National Guard. It was my favorite big toy, although the payloader was a close second. I never got the hang of a bulldozer (or grader) if you wanted any precision work done. My colleagues came and rescued me from guard duty at summer camp one night to give me a go at a one-time-only shot at placing a pile driver on a piling that was too far in the middle of a creek for a bridge we were putting in. Luckily it worked and I did n't put it in the river from the steep bank. Some enthusiastic summer soldiers provided some counter-weight assistance. The next day, we finally properly built a pad with a dozer for the rest of the piling work.
Glad you enjoyed! Took some time off from these machines, but got after it again late this summer with another project.
I've only operated newer hydraulic machines and they are child's play compared to this. I have to give serious respect to the people that ran these beasts.
They both certainly have their own feel. The hardest part with the drag or clam is controlling the weight that is swinging free on 20-40 feet of wire on 40+ feet of boom. It can get out of sort real fast. I feel the older generation were a tough bunch.
Love this. I operated a Ruston 22 drag line back in 77 and loved that machine.
In later models they switched the position of the main clutch and the boom hoist levers, I ran three different machines with drag buckets an older one with the clutch and boom hoist levers like yours with the flat pads and two pipeliner models with D7 rails and deep grousers with the clutch and boom hoist levers the opposite way
+Leroy Bullied And I think the 10B and the 15B are also set up opposite of my machine.
It seems in shape. Great!
Fantastic stuff, glad to see folks looking after heritage machines like these. Back in 1982 i was having driving lessons on how to operate an RB38 Cable shovel with the bucket loading away from you, i seem to remember the swing was controlled by foot pedals on that and the only way to stop it swinging was by knocking the swing in the opposite direction, on my first attempt i managed to knock an old three axle dump truck across the quarry floor! Ah happy memories. With regards from Derbyshire, England.
Ah, good stuff. Always glad to hear from people from far off enjoying the videos.
Ana I was the Planing Engineer in charge of material and production planning. It's amazing to see this beautiful machine
Thanks, glad you enjoyed video.
cleanest 22 ive seen for a long time. Over here in the uk it was a 22Rb , the manuals like this are even rarer, great demolition machine. Id give anything to get a job again on a 22, sadly now obsolete in the UK.
Thanks, I believe there were more 22RB's produced than any other cable excavator (over 10,000). Used to see a lot of cranes back in the day, but only a couple left in this area that I know of.
My boss is just about to sell an 22RB. Real old school thing. I believe it’s going to South America.
I ran a 30b for years. I loved it!
Whats not to love, right? Certainly is a lot of fun as a hobby.
Awesome explanation of all the workings and differences between the types of setups used. Great Video!
Thanks for the excellent video. Brings back my Army days as a 62F30.
Me TOO! 62E231 Civilian acquired skill, no A.I.T. Straight to Ft. Story and beautiful Junction City Ks, !! MERCY, what flashback!
Thanks. A good suggestion, as I can only do so many walkaround videos. I may also do some to explain in more detail how the machinery (clutches, gearboxes, etc) works.
You can raise and lower the boom with a suspended load. With the 22B it is easy
because it has a power down feature which gears the boom directly to the motor, and
uses engine compression as well as a brake, to keep the boom from dropping too
quickly.
A VERY good job! I called out to myself the controls as you went through them and surprisingly enough, I got all of them right and it's been a while so I really was surprised! The 22 that we had with a clam on it was set up like yours. I feathered the hoist while closing and then reached across to the closing clutch lever and kicked the hoist out with my arm while pulling the closing line with my hand. Took a little getting used to but it worked. I ran three 22's. One with the Cummins, one with the pony motor Cat and one that had a I.H. TD14 shoe-horned in it. The last one would bury the bucket and have it coming through the mud like a mole! Too strong but it would dig! Thanks for another good one too.
+Lewie McNeely One lever each hand, and pushing a 3rd with the forearm is the same technique I use, it gets 'er done. Thanks for all the comments.
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this is so stinking cool ! thank you for doing an instructional video of this crane for us.
Your welcome, and glad you enjoyed. This year got away from me, but hope to do more in 2019.
Dragline bucket and fairlead have been put on machine, but digging is finished for the season. Someone told me the toggle switch is for the flux capacitor, but it doesn't seem to do much.
Great explanation. Nice shovel. Worked hooking logs under a Bantam T350 set up for log skidding. Seems odd to push on the friction levers, on the Bantam, you pull back.
Thanks. I think on most machines you pull back on the levers. I know that after a couple hours, pushing on the levers gets pretty rough. Those old timers were a tough bunch.
I have a Lorain drag line of about the same vintage. I am using it to clean my pond now, In Michigan
I have one just like that but w/a Drag Bucket. I need to adjust the frictions. I paid hardly nothing for it. Was told it hadn’t ran in 20 years. New battery, No ether cranked up immediately!
The 22B i ran back in the early 70 had a cat engine with a pup motor to start the main engine was just a young buck back then thought i had the best job in the world
great video,i drove a 22 rb for several years rigged as dragline and clamshell,there was a manual one with large levers such as the one you show and three air operated ones,only thing i noticed was that on all these ones the outside right lever was a main clutch which acted like the deadman on modern machines,you pushed it forward to engage the main clutch so that you could use the machine.boom hoist was to the left but operated as you say with power lower.wonder if this difference was between models for your market in america and ours in england maybe?certainly brings back memories ,i really enjoyed using the rb22 and would still be driving it today if i could
I suspect it could be a difference in B vs RB models, or maybe a difference in early vs later model machines. Thanks for watching.
I ran 22,30,38, In UK and Australia,right hand outside the lever with a trigger lever is the engine clutch,inside lever is boom hoist..never saw any difference in BE machine's,nice vid..
Very interesting and nice machine, I had always thought that you dug over the idlers no matter what attachment like a hydraulic excavator but I stand corrected.
I very rarely dug over the idlers as most of the work was trenches for service pipes or UK house foundations. Both had to be pulled in line and once the machine was set on the line, I just needed to track back after each pull was completed. To pull cross carriage you would need to get back on line, a real time waster and we were paid on completed yardage. The only time I've worked cross carriage is while trimming an embankment on new roadworks.
When digging ditch with the drag bucket we changed every week that way the turn table wore the same all around
Only on the shovel do you dig over the idlers, account the shovel has to keep moving forward to advance in its work. On the dragline and dragshovel, the machine has to back away from its work, so the you would dig over the drive sprockets. In reality, the lower works of the machine always heads in a forward direction (drive sprockets to the rear) as the machine advances in its work.
Excellent! BE made great machines!
Great video, thanks for the tutorial. :)
Very nice
Very nice machine. Where are the boom backstops?
Thanks. Machine did not come with boom stops.
I once had to renew the lower drive shaft that had broken in two on one of these in driving snow. Not exactly a nice job laying on my back in 3" of mud and ice
Great video, you explained it as best you could but these things take a lot of time to figure out its kinda sad no one knows how to run them any more I love a friction rig
Thanks! For sure it is becoming a lost trade. Just a few old-timers and some equipment buffs to keep it going.
jac5344 I count myself among those old timers who had the privrlege of running a few variations on this machine back.in the early 70's. I felt I had a natural knack, and rythem, for making her perform almost like a choreographed set of movements. Yes, it was sometimes repetitious, and sometimes it was challenging, but during the course of an 8 hr day, we made the work almost a pleasure. I have always Loved heavy equipmrnt, and the power, and respect it commands. In the wrong hands, it can do a lot of harm to others, and the operator. Always having to be mindful.of the angle of the boom, and controlled swings, and drops of the bucket, or magnet. I worked outside next to the Hudson diversity strong wind gusts that can catch a boom while swinging., and suddenly lift it if it was beyond the safe angle of ratio to the counter weight. I used to stack 40" concrete slabs, and support beams in a field, and load them.on flat bed trucks. I also ran a Grove runner tire job crane there.. that was back when a guy a thought he was 6" tall, and bullit proof!
What is the purpose of the circular device on the boom with a cable running to the bucket? Is it a pulley with a cable to stabilize the bucket? Is it controllable in any way, or is it just spring loaded? What is it called?
Right Lurker It is called a tagline, and it is spring loaded. It’s main function is to keep the bucket from spinning, which would twist the cables. Its secondary function is to keep the bucket from swinging too much, which the operator can control for the most part.
I have a 22b of my own with a drag bucket. I have never run clam bucket. I should get mine running again and do a video.
Great video! Many thanks!
I believe this is the crane that was working in a sand pit, loading trucks, just north of Crisman in 1957. My father rented the house there from the Crisman Sand company. I remember the brothers first names of the owners Joe and George, their last name i don't remember. My father did some work for them in their sand pits
dwb That is pretty amazing, as that is where this machine originally came from, I was told it was one of 4.
Nicolson was there last name and my dad Sid Lindstrom rebuilt this one for Johnson excavating
I am not really sure, as I only operate the machine about 1 hour every couple of weeks. My first full tank of fuel (50 gallons) lasted me 2 seasons.
well explain great video
May I "Assume" this Machine has "NO" transmission with different gears like a Truck would have? Is the Speed only Controlled, to a limited extent, by the Engime Throttle?
I have mine set up with a drag bucket. I need to flip the drag lever where pulling in enables bucket in. Assuming I need to flip the linkage below the cab?
I would think so. I know the levers for drag and raise get flipped for clamshell operation if that is what you mean. If you mean reversing the operation of the levers (pulling in to engage instead of pushing), I am not sure if that can be done.
What is the Grease Gun for that’s mounted on the angled frame behind your left shoulder..?? 🤷🏻♂️ Does it go down to the Center Pin.🤔
It is to grease the big ring gear in the lower frame that revolves the upper works.
@@jac5344 on the bigger Draglines we put Crater (like tar) on the ring gear ⚙️ the pinion gear teeth also, talking about the 88-Bs and the Lima 2400s here.
The little cranes you put whatever on them as long as you’re not letting any Metal to Metal wear take place, is THAT what you’re getting at.??
Yes that’s it.
How does it drive is there a center drive shaft that goes to a differential to a chain drive how does the house turn then.
Yes, center drive shaft is correct. The inside of the lower frame has a large ring gear. A small gear extending from the bottom of the house frame rides inside the ring gear and turns the house.
Our 22b has a 3 cylinder diesel with General Motors stamped on the valve cover. Is this the same as the 371 Detroit? Or completely different?
That's the one. Mine says General Motors Diesel. The 371 was the most popular engine offered for the 22B.
The 3 refers to the number of cylinders (remember it's a two stroke diesel) and the 71 is the capacity of each cylinder in cubic inches.
I have 3 of these in much worse shape, but all working. Any idea where I could put them up for sale?
I would probably try ebay or craigslist. I tried machinerytrader but they would not place my ad because I couldn't give them a machinery dealer that I had recently used. Pretty hard to find a Bucyrus dealership these days.
Great video jac5344. Never knew what all the levers were for until now. Just wondering where is the fuel tank and filler cap located on these machines with such limited room in the house from the engine, clutches and drums taking up much of the area?
Thanks! Fuel tank is in the back of the house, just in front of the counterweight and under the floor. Holds 50 gallons.
Is it a bad thing to pull or push the lever for the hoist cable and still pushing down on the peddles with out letting off your foot ?
It doesn't really hurt anything, but will cause more wear to the clutch and brake bands. Every function of the friction crane is like a manual transmission. You have to slip the clutches and ride the brakes to some degree to keep bucket from falling.
Hmmm interesting thanks for the reply love your video and the way you explain And describe the what the crane components are and do etc your right on? Had to take a test on a friction crane in NYC so I needed some quick pointers👌👌👌👌👌👌👌
You are a rare breed to learn to run a friction crane. We have one at work, and they won't even bother to train anyone on it anymore.
jac5344 it’s funny but over in nyc it’s mandatory to learn how to pass a test provided by state in order to obtain a unlimited crane 🏗 license even if you’ll never operate on this type crane 🤷♂️🤷♂️ pretty cool crane to use nice and challenging 👌
I thought they only had 2. I new both operators then and worked for joe and george on their farm . Joes son was in my class at the Portage school. I wish i could remember their last name
+dwb They had at least 2 for sure, as my machine was built from the parts from 2 machines.
Hi Jack could use some info on a 22b house lock won't come off any thoughts?
Wondering is the machine running? If so, if their is any pressure on the lock, it won’t release. You usually have to attempt to swing the machine right or left to get the pressure off the lock. If the machine is not running you would have to use a tractor or loader to try to swing the machine a little bit. If neither is the case, then the linkage for the lock is froze up. From underneath the machine look upwards for the big ring gear inside the lower works to find the house lock. I was able to use a pry bar on my 10B to set the house lock when it wouldn’t engage. Hope this helps.
@@jac5344 Yes thanks it's running and we did a little swing movement you could feel it hit a lock.. Will climb under and have a look, was just asking in case it was a well know problem with the 22. My 10B has same house lock as your early 10b video and I have the same bad steering, I'll try to put new material on the brake shoes see if it get better. I got a bunch of lining material and rivets a few years back from a shop in Newark Nj they've been making friction clutch linings for a 100 years, good old fashion stuff with lots of brass which they recommend for these old time machine's as they transfer the heat to the drums very efficiently. Have to look back see if I can find the company name. Thanks for getting back to me so fast hope to stay in touch. Scott
Do you have a shovel front for that machine? Or for any of your machines?
The 22B is currently set up as a dragline. The '37 10B has a shovel front, and my current project is getting the shovel front on the '51 10B operational.
Great video!
Thank you!
Where is the hydraulic tank?
Right behind the flux capacitor cabinet...
Sorry I have a question that may sound silly but can you raise and lower the boom with a suspended load?
Ie: say you have a 5 ton load in the air and you cant reach the drop point, can you boom down with load to reach it or do you have to set the load and reposition and re pick?
cool video you in Porter county ?
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@@jac5344 s of 30 e of 49?
SW P. County just south of Rt 8. There is also a 30B on Rt 6 east of Westville.
@@jac5344 im in Washington township
Smallest schools in the county. We are in Boone Twnshp.
I recognize the voice.....did I see you recently at cp Lake recently?
Yes you did, but don't reveal my identity.......I'm batman (of the cable excavator world).
Can you tell me about how much fuel this machine burns a day?
77hp in a 40000lb maxhine. The Bobcats I use have 77hp
thank those 77 hp of many years ago if you now have a comfortable life . But from the way you write the nature has not been a good mother with your mind
Do your bobcats have 300 lb-ft of torque?
Many machines of his Bobcat size were advertised at 74 HP to get around cleaning up the exhaust, as over 75 HP required exhaust treatment..
O piloto da 22B deixa a desejar. Esta máquina trabalha suave. A soltura do arraste ao içar tem que ser suave.
Love the video even though there is no z diesel lol
Looks new
For sale?
Yes, I am relocating in a couple years and can’t take it with me.
@@jac5344 what's a relic like that worth? Looks cool I operate manitowoc 4600 and 4100 and american 9310 dredging and pile driving I would like too have something like that in my back yard for the kids too play with.
I am going to ask 12.5k. If it doesn’t sell, I will probably throw in the 10B and ask double that amount.
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Must be loud inside the cab?no? Lol. But thats soo cool
Yeah it's crazy loud when you throttle up, ears ringing after about 30 minutes. Don't know how they did it without ear protection back in the day.
I want to take your Bucyrus Erie 22-B out for a spin down Main Street USA and wave at all the girls! ✋🏻✋🏻✋🏻✋🏻
Don't forget the beer, probably won't get a dui at 1 mph!
jac5344 😂🤣
wow, you were doing really good until the Chicago Bears helmet showed up. lol
+peetre haha, and I'm not even a Bears fan...but it was a gift.
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Pounds . When are you going to step into the modern world and use the metric system ffs
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Great video!
Thanks!