Every time Batwoman tries to do social commentary, the writers seem to make it more about their own politics than the issue itself or the people they think they're representing. I'd tell them not to quit their day jobs, but that's exactly what I want them to do. I'm not saying issues like this shouldn't be examined and talked about, but the best place to do that probably isn't by writers as juvenile, sophomoric and just plain bad as this on the comic book show about a woman who dresses up in a bat costume to fight crime.
Thankfully, you watch the show for me, but I have however had the displeasure of watching 3 episodes from Season 1. Batman earned his stripes. He learned how to be a great detective. He traveled the world to learn how to fight. He didn't kill. Everything he did, he earned through blood and sweat. On this show, Batwoman doesn't earn anything. Just show up at places and do stuff. Like the Disney Star Wars Trilogy. To quote The Drinker, Nah, it'll be fine!
*I really don't think you need to justify blatant common sense with appendix's like "I'm not saying (insert widely discussed issue)".* Everyone watching already understands what you're saying, and the only people who don't are those looking to cause a problem. Also, what they do isn't legitimate social commentary, it's just a mélange of misinfo and bigotry. Most criminals on the show, hell even animals are held in higher regard than Luke. So terrified of black men there's no other choice but to emasculate them entirely, really shows where the production's morals lie.
For a moment I was legitimately wondering whether or not Luke would die or not. One the one hand this is a CW,meaningful, emotional drama, real stakes, actions having consequences, not on our show, we have an agenda to push. And a show based on a comic which means that death can be undone with some stupid MacGuffin (desert rose, which doesn't even grows on a desert so why call it that ?) or another universe plot. But on the other hand Luke have become ''problematic''. He showed interest in a women and we know that on this show heterosexuality is the devil. He and Mary told off Batwomen a couple of times, the Asian women gets a pass but we can't allow mansplaning, I'm sorry, batsplaning. They might have just kill him to make a room for this black lesbian teenage hacker and have her become a sidekick, because she's the besstest ever. Side note: Am I the only one that is disgusted by the Gay Spider comment about Luke ? There is a person on their death bed and the first thing that comes to your mind is ''He's hot.'' ? He really is just a perverted gay and nothing else.
What I would give to see Batwoman as a villain in some Batman project...and for him to take her down, and let her know how much her bitching is kind of an insult to actual victims
Bruce: "You have to choose Luke, life or-" Luke: "Death." Bruce: "Err, you didn't let me finish, I was going to say-" Luke: "I choose death." Bruce: "Uh..." Luke: "Get me out of this nightmare!"
For a moment I was legitimately wondering whether or not Luke would die or not. One the one hand this is a CW,meaningful, emotional drama, real stakes, actions having consequences, not on our show, we have an agenda to push. And a show based on a comic which means that death can be undone with some stupid MacGuffin (desert rose, which doesn't even grows on a desert so why call it that ?) or another universe plot. But on the other hand Luke have become ''problematic''. He showed interest in a women and we know that on this show heterosexuality is the devil. He and Mary told off Batwomen a couple of times, the Asian women gets a pass but we can't allow mansplaning, I'm sorry, batsplaning. They might have just kill him to make a room for this black lesbian teenage hacker and have her become a sidekick, because she's the besstest ever. Side note: Am I the only one that is disgusted by the Gay Spider comment about Luke ? There is a person on their death bed and the first thing that comes to your mind is ''He's hot.'' ? He really is just a perverted gay and nothing else.
@@kingagrabowska9366 It’s almost funny how gay people on the CW are nothing more than caricature stereotypes, and so few either call it out or have an issue with it.
@@bunnywithakeyboard7628 Stereotypes don't come out of nowhere (propaganda, misunderstanding, flanderization, tradition and many more ). I'm sure there are people like this character. Have you seen people that go to pride month marches ? It could have been a great moment to show that despite being a living ''be gay, do crime'' meme, he is more then that, he has a moral compass (better then Alice), can show gratitude for saving his life by Mary, but no. This is a CW, where good ideas and potential go to die.
Luke: I can escape? I can leave? I don't have to remain on Batwoman? Oh thank God, it's finally over... Mary: Where the hell do you think you're going?! You've still got at least one whole season to film, now start whining and take your Desert Rose like the crybaby you are!!
You may think that some male characters get emasculated. Imagine being brought to the point where you ask the afterlife to let you die and then get brought back against your will. That’s a whole new level.
There is a strip where a zombie is looking for brains and passes by a group of people on their phones in faux outrage drinking their lattes and the like; keeps saying brains and walks right by them. This show is that.
I didn't think the writers could make Mary's character sink any lower but seeing her walk pass all the sick suffering people knowing she has the desert rose (that can cure a lot of people) just to get to Luke was despicable!
Remember when they made an all cure out of her blood for the bat rabies in the 2nd ep? Now they have a better material to make another all cure but nooo....
You think that having the desert rose cure all would make Mary a Nobel prize winner for contributing to medicine and mankind in general. That would earn her medical degree early. Heck it would evolve her underground illegal abortion clinic becoming a legitimate medical clinic. Using her billions to give patients free healthcare. Making Gotham slowly becoming great. Not needing Batman to become Gotham’s symbol of hope.
It always makes me sick when a supposedly good character does that kind of thing. My one legit complaint with the old Stargate movie was when Daniel Jackson does something similar
Mary finally uses the Desert Rose and it's only to save Luke, not one of her patients. It just goes to show that running that clinic is only for her own self-satisfaction.Poor Luke, he just wanted to see his dad again and be at peace, but the writers had to drag him back into the world of living. Ryan finally takes responsibility for something, but it's too late to salvage his character.
She shouldn't even have patients at this point, she isn't even a resident, Ryan isn't taking responsibility for this, like any other SJW, she is a narcissist and is making it all about her
Yeah and this miracle cure isn't just the plant, you can basically take blood from anyone you gave the Desert Rose and use that as a miracle cure for potentially hundreds. You know you'd think Mary would maybe administer it as a cancer treatment or something?
22:02 So basically Ryan has The Joker's mindset. Only with him his "Burn the system down. Chaos and anarchy are the only way" beliefs are him trying to justify the sick evil things he does. But here with Ryan it's framed as some heroic motivational speech.
I could see "burn it all down" if you've got an organization with a corrupt leadership, but if Jacob (the guy with total control over the Crows) legitimately wants to come clean and fix things, why not let him try to change things? I mean if she trusts him enough to burn it down, why not trust him enough to fix it?
@@8nicopink868 pretty much. It's not about justice. It's about revenge. Revenge for what and against who? Doesn't matter. The message is all the matters.
"If Alice would have experienced love earlier in life, she wouldn't have become a monster." I am not surprised the writers already have forgotten about Mouse.
@@harrambou9468 His voice intimation powers alone had more potential than literally every other villain in this show ever could have. He was so underutilized, it wasn't even funny.
14:50 Also, Ryan "takes responsibility " for something stupid but accurately avoids acknowledging that she has REAL responsibility for the actions that led to their incarceration in the previous episode, by being antagonistic first towards the police and then towards Luke himself when he was trying to deescalate the situation. She's clueless.
I wonder if the actor who plays Luke was hoping for him to die when he first heard he would be shot. In order to get off the show and save his acting career.
Bruce: “Luke you have a choice here!” Luke: “Ok I want to die.” Bruce: “you you can’t do that.” Luke: “WHY?” Bruce: “Because you’re black, you don’t get a choice.”
Probably the only thing that could have made this make sense is that when Luke chose death the door opened and Lucifer looked in said "Oh wrong door." and now we know that this whole show takes place in Luke's Hell loop.
I'm convinced the writers and producers of this show not only hate the whole world, but hate themselves as well. Hard to come up with likable characters when you have that combination.
I feel as if the show is best summed up by this quote from KOTOR II: "Apathy is death. Worse than death, because at least a rotting corpse feeds the beasts and insects."
This is worse than Finn in TLJ where he's not allowed to make a sacrifice. Luke Fox is not allow to accept his own fate and die peacefully after he made it clear that life will never accept him because he's a POC.
I love the self awareness when Alice has to point out how often the Crows' garage gets broken into. And I just love how these deus ex machina life saving drugs appear and disappear when they need to
Luke doesn’t even have the agency to choose what he wants to do with his own life. And he’s supposed to be Batwing, a guy with zero agency. And I find that text Mary sent to Jacob about being proud of him disgusting. He disbanded his own job that he tried so hard to keep honest, God knows how long he’s going to be finding work with the Crows reputation on his resume
I loved when Batwoman couldn't find the internet. Like you said, it could've been played off as showing how vital Luke was, but came across more like Mary was helping her a grandma who couldn't find a button labeled "the internet". As much as I couldn't stand Kate, at least she knew where "the google" was on the Batcomputer. Ryan is the Milli Vanilli of crime fighting.
It would have been perfect for it to end with Luke opening his eyes expecting to be in heaven and after seeing where he is its implied he screams "Fuck!"
Let me guess: Spineless Jacob's bad decision to end the Crows (couldn't just get rid of the bad agents) will lead to an increase in crime and force Luke to become Batwing to help the overwhelmed Batwahmen?!! Batwahmen applying ice for her sore side over her "hard to penetrate" bat suit was funny.
These are "abolish the police" folk so I expect them to write crime magically away once the crows dissapear, just as they think will happen in real life... since they are stupid.
Lol seriously the dude never once in the first like 40 episodes of the series once mentioned he was “bullied” for being black and now he has ptsd and cries non stop over the last 3 episodes about it
Also, Luke attributes his shooting to being black... But curiously we never see it being properly established. Tavaroff and the rest of the gang never say anything about Luke's race.
Not only that, but we never even see Tavaroff show any racist tendencies before that either. Arguably the only semi-racist thing you can imagine he did was assuming that Batwoman had a criminal record (presumably because she's black), but even that's a stretch. I mean someone that beats up people with their bare hands commonly probably would have a history of assault and battery before they started wearing a costume, so it's really not all that unusual an assumption.
No you are missing the point. They are white and racists. So they think that every white person MUST be like them and be racist too. It’s a delusion they convinced themselves of to continue feeling normal instead of the horrible people they truly are. Not all white people are racists. But these left folks are! 🤷🏾♂️
@@taragnor and also hanging up a guy and starving him till he gives her information, Batman was never this inhumane, yes he beat people up for information... when he found a straggler at a location but he would only keep doing that till the Police arrived which would take around a couple of minutes.
Man...Luke just wanted to get off this show but he couldn't even do that...As long as there are more ways for the writers to humiliate him he's here to stay....
I mean, what else would you expect of writers who wrote their main protagonist as a falsely accused criminal who had drugs planted on her and a force confession forced out of her, yet in just 4 to 5 episodes, actually reveal that yes, not only did she actually happen to be in possession of actual drugs and what she accused the Crows of doing to be completely false, she was also running with and in the company of actual criminals. So maybe, just maybe, take what those same writers say with an ocean of salt.
Who wants to bet that the writers only portrayed Tavaroth as corrupt and trigger-happy now after watching Thorias' videos and realizing that they've done nothing but telling instead of showing? They have Sophie *tell* us that he's reckless and dangerous, but they show us he's the most responsible, focused and capable Crow on the show since he follows orders, looks out for his comrades, and does things by the book. At least, Roblez from last season had some build up with Lucius Fox's death being brought up in episode 6 and then everything being resolved (however, poorly) in episode 17, Tavaroth just comes out of nowhere to be used as a prop for the writers to push a heavy-handed narrative about abuse of power and police brutality when they treat two vigilantes with no moral compasses, who never hold themselves accountable for their mistakes and continuously let criminals go free (Kate with Alice, Ryan with Angelique) as infallible goddesses who everyone should look up to as role models. Who needs talent, creativity or passion when all you have is agenda, right, Hollywood?
i remember when in arrow felicity for some reason wasn't there and they made a scene explaining she left some auto running programs to complete specific tasks for them while she was away. seems to much to ask to the writers of this "show"...
>Tavaroth is willing to do anything to cover up his crimes >Tavaroth is being persued by Batwoman who seems to have evidence against him >Tavaroth hates Batwoman >Tavaroth managed to kick Batwoman's ass and head butts her into his buddy's car >Tavaroth has her incapacitaited and dead to rights >Tavaroth gets in the car and drives away >Tavaroth gets in the car and drives away *>Tavaroth gets in the car and drives away*
In a properly written story she would be ended rightly either because the suit CANNOT absorb bullshit amounts of kinetic energy or the villain would stick his gun in her mouth and give her a hit load down her throat. But this is Batwoman so of course the bad guy must run away from the almighty 'hero.'
Yeah, lol. I was thinking the same thing when he just drove away. He has backup nearby, he has batwoman down. Why is he running instead of arresting or killing her?
My understanding of Batman leads me to believe an illegal underground abortion clinic would be asking for some kneecap shattering justice if he was still in the picture.
@@thoriasunlimited4053 In other words, par for the course for this show. Kate stole all of Bruce's stuff, Ryan had the Batsuit fall out of the sky in front of her, and Luke has done nothing except be a punching bag because we can't have men look good in this show. So no surprise there.
Oh, yay. Batwoman... The period blood flower stuff gets stupider when you remember that it works when you just take the blood of someone who has been healed with it and inject it into another person. Ryan was healed with the period blood flower, so all she needed to do was pump some of her blood into him. Wow. I didn't even notice how inconsiquental Luke is on this show. Despite being one of the better characters on the show, they may as well cut him lose since he's so useless anyway. With Ryan, I'm convinced she has a victim complex and can't function unless she feels like she's being blamed for something; she makes Luke's injury all about her because she can't feel bad about it unless she's personally responsible. Any bets on the janitors finding the bat tech Sophie and Ryan left behind and learning Batwoman's identity, too? So, when Ryan goes to download the files to exonerate Luke, how are there hundreds? If they delete daily at 3am, then the only footage should have been from that day. Why not just download them all while saving Jacob? Jacob disbanding the Crows is a very bad thing; they helped the police deal with crime. With them gone, isn't crime going to go up and go unpunished? And the GCPD are supposedly worse than the Crows, according to the show, and they're now the only form of law enforcement, besides Batwoman. Do these writers seriously think that this can pan out in any positive way? Who am I kidding; of course they do. They probably think that the crime will go down to 0 if they open a community center on every corner, so they don't need cops, either. Thinking about that hospital scene from Luke's perspective is even funnier when you remember that he wakes up to Ryan and Mary smiling at him. After choosing to not put up with life's shit anymore, he's greeted by the smiling faces of the two women in his life who bully and berate him at every turn. If I were him, I would have started crying at the reality I was suddenly stuck in. Not gonna lie, though, I'm interested in where Luke will go from here; he chose to die, yet got dragged back into the hellish world of Batwoman. Is he going to be suicidal, or depressed, or perhaps determined to make the world a better place now that he's back in it? But, this is Batwoman, so they probably won't do anything good with it. It's just funny that Batwoman is at it's best when it has nothing to do with Batwoman.
@Spaced Oyster Ah good point! I'd totally forgotten about that! And it seems the writers did too because they never reread their old episodes. Wow, how pitiful they are.
It’s sad because the actors playing Luke and Bruce did a really good job with what they were given. Camrus Johnson and Warren Christie are really trying to make that scene as good as possible.
So apparently Luke's going to become Batwing by seasons end or next season and this episode was supposed to start him on that path. And I got to ask does anyone want this? I know their are Batwing fans out their but this version of Luke as displayed zero skills as a crimefighter and he'll just be Batwoman's sidekick and keep getting no respect from her. I used to love it when they introduced new heroes on these shows or made existing characters into heroes but that was when they set it up properly which we know these writers couldn't do if their lives depended on it
The direction of comic book shows nowadays makes me glad that the Avengers and Arrow storylines ended because all comic book shows are virtual signaling propaganda that will be forgotten over time.
Hell Luke dying would've been his way out of this shitshow. But now that he is alive he is going to go and become Batwing and they are going to castrate that character in the future and it will be a nightmare to go through.
Oh boy. If I remade Batwoman, I would made it into some GTA sandbox like the Batman Arkham series. But I would at least make the story more focused on the ladies who happen to fight crime in vigilante costumes while posing like normal civilians when not in costume mode. Being criminals by day. Vigilantes by night. A GTA game heavily focused on vigilantism policing and militarism side of crime.
Batwoman is so bad that even satan himself wouldn’t use this as torture because even touching the dvd or Blu-ray of this show would be torturous for his immortal hands and soul to even express.
Well, duh. We just need community centers! That’s clearly a substitute for police! Community centers are a 100% guarantee that crime will completely go away. This is why I question how anyone can actually love this show and agree with its messages.
'Omg Luke's been shot!' So? 'He could die!' You have a magical flower that can literally cure any known disease and fatal wound. There's no danger from anything short of decapitation and even then I'm not 100% sure rubbing magical flower juice on the stump won't regrow someone's head.
I was thinking the same thing in regards to why Mary isn't at the hospital. Of course, I already figured that they would use the Desert Rose. 11:00 Has there ever been any evidence to refute the second one? Actually, Tavaroff assaulting Jacob was not in full view of everyone, as Jacob did that thing that made it so you can't see through the window from outside. No idea why he felt the need to do that (aside from "the plot said so"). How no one aside from Tavaroff's lackeys was around to see him carry off the unconscious commander... I mean, Alice did point out at the end how bad all of the Crows are at their jobs.
This show is a shockingly (though unintentionally) accurate representation of the woke mindset. Vapid, manipulative, self- congratulatory and incoherent.
If the bodycam footage is deleted in 5 hours (horrible practice) how do they have 100s of files? Or is it national clear bodycam footage day and they don't set a minimum of days to hold since they are terrible at their job and use terribly easily exploitable workethics?
Yeah lol. The writers just come up with an amazing amount of bullshit. Not to mention they claimed that there wasn't dates on any of footage which made it hard, which is stupid because all computers track dates on every file that's created. It's all just plot contrivances created by some of the worst writers I've ever seen.
Apparently, those hundreds of files were all from that day. Or maybe the files are from every branch since the Crows are a multi-national corporation somehow lol.
The only person ever shown to have worked in Wayne Enterprises is in coma in a hospital ... Not that him being there would prevent Alice from entering anyway ...
@@thoriasunlimited4053 Wouldn't surprise me if they forgot at some point. But yeah its in the episode where Mouse disguised as Jacob, he knocks out Sophie and her husband and they wake up tied to chairs (*takes shot*). Husband guy tries screaming for help and Sophie tells him the the office is sound proof and the windows are one way.
of course its easy to make Luke seem disposable. his only worth to the writers is his black skin but his twig&berries almost negates all that along with his straightness. he is so low on the victim totem pole he is barely two steps above straight white men.
At this point they should make a show about what goes on in the Batwoman’s Writers Room. Something tells me that would be more interesting than the actual show itself.
13:00 LoL to edit a gun into his hand will take one serious super computer and one super pro visual effects artist to edit, replace and render in 3 hours and trust me. He will spend that 3 or 4 hours just on the physics on the gun in his hand and how to make it realistic. @Thorias Unlimited I'm working in the industry and I'm telling you, It is almost impossible.
these writers forgot that the real Batman has info about every villain he's ever faced on his batcomputer. the reason not use it being they don't want Batfake to be "mansplained" to.
Yeah not to mention Luke didn't even try to use the batcomputer to crack the cipher in that one episode. Instead he's trying to crack the thing by hand with pencil and paper. Like if only he had access to a highly advanced supercomputer...
@King Slayer Nah, Luke is Batwing in the comics. Problem is he's been emasculated since the first episode. They really lean on ironman for how suits work smh
@@LostOneOmega I mean yeah Luke has been done dirty up to now. But I like to think of it in the same vein as Cisco from the flash, he used to be a nerdy scrawny guy, then he went out into the field. Plus this will do Luke some good
Bruce: Do you choose death or life? Luke: I choose death! Please get me from these people. CW producers: No one will leave Batwoman show. Not even you Luke. Luke:NOOOOOO! Mary: Luke your back Luke:I'll never escape this living hell. Bruce:No,no you will not.
With respect to everyone & in my personal & hopefully objective opinion, I found this episode to be almost very good. Almost. And here’s why: The choreography for the fights was strong and intense in my opinion while reminding me of "The Matrix" and "Arrow", The budget seemed to be increased from a D List movie to C+List or almost B List movie, They brought in both the iconic characters of Bruce Wayne and Lucius Fox, sort of, while having them and Luke be in the same space together albeit in Luke's mind (Bruce) and as a ghost near the afterlife (Lucius), Finally gave Luke full acknowledgment and credit for what he's brought to society and the team through “Bruce” & both Ryan & Mary, Set in motion his arc towards becoming the superhero Batwing and possibly also Tavaroff becoming the supervillain Menace (including showing Tavaroff's hand to hand moves) and his mortal enemy (DC Comics), Seemed to keep the Black Lives Matter allegory leveled down in this episode & not pushy this time in my opinion, Had Ryan take responsibility in that she blamed herself for Luke getting shot in that if she hadn’t done such and such it wouldn't have happened to him. Whereas I don’t remember her taking responsibility for stuff before & if Thorias is right that it was half baked then to me it’s better than nothing, Pointed out Jacob’s hypocrisy on excessive force through Tavaroff instead of conveniently forgetting that & also had his syringe found in the trash by the latter, which almost caused Jacob’s death, instead of still acting as though no one discovered that reckless act of throwing away trash, Had Alice, instead of trying to get Kate back on her own, decide to make it a family matter and partner up with their dad Jacob to get her back & finally, The Bat Team didn't seem to behave stupidly but showed tenacity, thinking ahead, professionalism, common sense, and behaved very smart in my opinion. For example but when Luke was shot & instead of the team twiddling their fingers and doing nothing, Mary moved quickly and got ahold of their healing plant and went on a mission to inject its serum into him so he could recover. Next example of smart thinking but Mary was unable to get it to Luke since her adopted dad Jacob Kane had him under guard but instead of bemoaning it and giving up, the team instead called Spider Wolf to literally swing over and deliver it to him while she distracted the guards. Third but when Tavaroff and his buddies doctored video evidence to cover the truth behind the shooting, instead of acting like there was nothing the team could do it occurred to Ryan and Sophie to go over and find the real video showing the truth and clearing Luke's name. And they did it at the same time Mary and Spider Wolf delivered the serum to Luke. Two, and what appeared to be coordinated, simultaneous operations and both to help Luke. Fourth but when Ryan apprehended a witness who was a thief while connected to what led to Luke getting shot and he told her what happened and that the Crows were the problem while insisting she let him walk, instead of obliging him considering how much she hates the Crows and her emotions having clouded her past judgement, she handed him to the GCPD in addition to going after the Crows. Here’s the problems I saw though in that first it had some sjw with Luke being shot an allegory of unarmed black man with phone shot by white agent but in last night's episode the allegory was leveled down and not pushy in my opinion while instead exploring institutional corruption even though it was also probably unnecessary. Second but when Ryan fought Tavaroff she said she and Luke shared DNA (the black thing). That script line was unnecessary for obvious reasons. Third but in an example of poor script writing in my opinion, Sophie told Jacob that she always supported his decisions. Not true since she was a major Batwoman supporter in S1 which caused conflict between her and Jacob. Either it's just lazy writing or Caroline is allowing some characters to have conveniently forgetful memories. And I didn’t think of it but Thorias made a good point about the Luke being cute quote from Spider Wolf. if not for seeing those four particular problems, one might’ve wondered if there was a new showrunner or if this was a different show.
@@King_Nex Nothing would happen because they are all bad guys. One would say they are trying to start anarchy, unless that’s an actual character, on purpose so they can do nothing.
@@Tom531Cat The way I see it, one of three things would happen: 1. Batwoman would hypocritically try to stop him 2. They'd team up 3. They'd pull one of those "right motive, wrong methods" things that a lot of Marvel properties have been doing lately.
About Luke choosing to live or die, there was an argument there. Many people have said something to the effect of ‘choosing to live’ is more important than the machines forcing your body to live - you shut down your consciousness and just...stop. I have never been in such a situation, but it is definitely possible that people who have assistance to stay alive could just give up and the machines would only let that person hang on. The engine can run, but until someone pushes the accelerator, that car goes nowhere. Beyond that, this show is still pretty horrible. Thanks for suffering through it for the rest of us.
But shouldn't that starting point have been a lot sooner? Like the beginning of the season maybe? If the starting point is just a couple episodes before he becomes Batwing, this is going to feel rushed as hell.
Luke will play a more important role soon with the Bat-Wing pics they posted. In the comics he's Bat-wing, a batman like character that didn't last long. Knowing this show they'll probably make him the beta male sidekick to Ryan lol. Great job dude, btw not sure if you heard somehow Batwoman got inked for a season 3 🤣.
For a moment I was legitimately wondering whether or not Luke would die or not. One the one hand this is a CW,meaningful, emotional drama, real stakes, actions having consequences, not on our show, we have an agenda to push. And a show based on a comic which means that death can be undone with some stupid MacGuffin (desert rose, which doesn't even grows on a desert so why call it that ?) or another universe plot. But on the other hand Luke have become ''problematic''. He showed interest in a women and we know that on this show heterosexuality is the devil. He and Mary told off Batwomen a couple of times, the Asian women gets a pass but we can't allow mansplaning, I'm sorry, batsplaning. They might have just kill him to make a room for this black lesbian teenage hacker and have her become a sidekick, because she's the besstest ever. Side note: Am I the only one that is disgusted by the Gay Spider comment about Luke ? There is a person on their death bed and the first thing that comes to your mind is ''He's hot.'' ? He really is just a perverted gay and nothing else.
You poor thing: you mean you actually watched the episode? Though this give me a rare opportunity: could you tell me how it feels like to make up an entire 1% of the show's audience? :D Pozdrawiam.
Alice killing many innocent people -> "she's psychotic... or maybe hypnotized, anyway let's let her escape every time we meet her" A crow shooting a single guy that he thought was a bad guy - > "shameful, racist ! he must pay !!" (Soon Luke will become Batwing, but I think that somehow the writers are not gonna give him more usefulness and that he will still be ridiculed by Batwoman, Mary and Co)
Dude, I know so many of us can't thank you enough to reviewing this horrible show to save us from having to do it. I mean for me I get more entertainment from your reactions than the flat acting on this show. I tried back at the beginning of season one but couldn't connect but your review popped up on my notifications and I've been hooked here since.
The writers of this show are not actual writers they are activists and SJW's posing as writers. The lack of talent they display is staggering and hilarious.
From the photos I have seen released by CW Luke's suit looks better than Batwoman's suit and that's not a high achievement to accomplish but if your supporting characters looks better than your main lead I'm just saying 🤷🤷
It looks *WAY* better. Sadly, it's for this pile of rancid garbage, so that kills any excitement. I wish they'd just cancel this show, retcon it out of continuity, and start a new show focused on Luke as Batwing, since he's clearly the most likable character here. Oh, and just to be clear, get new, better writers for that.
Every time Batwoman tries to do social commentary, the writers seem to make it more about their own politics than the issue itself or the people they think they're representing. I'd tell them not to quit their day jobs, but that's exactly what I want them to do.
I'm not saying issues like this shouldn't be examined and talked about, but the best place to do that probably isn't by writers as juvenile, sophomoric and just plain bad as this on the comic book show about a woman who dresses up in a bat costume to fight crime.
"Fighting crime" is a bit generous for Batwoman's job description.
Thankfully, you watch the show for me, but I have however had the displeasure of watching 3 episodes from Season 1. Batman earned his stripes. He learned how to be a great detective. He traveled the world to learn how to fight. He didn't kill. Everything he did, he earned through blood and sweat. On this show, Batwoman doesn't earn anything. Just show up at places and do stuff. Like the Disney Star Wars Trilogy. To quote The Drinker, Nah, it'll be fine!
*I really don't think you need to justify blatant common sense with appendix's like "I'm not saying (insert widely discussed issue)".* Everyone watching already understands what you're saying, and the only people who don't are those looking to cause a problem.
Also, what they do isn't legitimate social commentary, it's just a mélange of misinfo and bigotry. Most criminals on the show, hell even animals are held in higher regard than Luke. So terrified of black men there's no other choice but to emasculate them entirely, really shows where the production's morals lie.
For a moment I was legitimately wondering whether or not Luke would die or not.
One the one hand this is a CW,meaningful, emotional drama, real stakes, actions having consequences, not on our show, we have an agenda to push. And a show based on a comic which means that death can be undone with some stupid MacGuffin (desert rose, which doesn't even grows on a desert so why call it that ?) or another universe plot.
But on the other hand Luke have become ''problematic''. He showed interest in a women and we know that on this show heterosexuality is the devil. He and Mary told off Batwomen a couple of times, the Asian women gets a pass but we can't allow mansplaning, I'm sorry, batsplaning. They might have just kill him to make a room for this black lesbian teenage hacker and have her become a sidekick, because she's the besstest ever.
Side note: Am I the only one that is disgusted by the Gay Spider comment about Luke ? There is a person on their death bed and the first thing that comes to your mind is ''He's hot.'' ? He really is just a perverted gay and nothing else.
What I would give to see Batwoman as a villain in some Batman project...and for him to take her down, and let her know how much her bitching is kind of an insult to actual victims
Bruce: "You have to choose Luke, life or-"
Luke: "Death."
Bruce: "Err, you didn't let me finish, I was going to say-"
Luke: "I choose death."
Bruce: "Uh..."
Luke: "Get me out of this nightmare!"
Bruce: ...The other option is death by Batwoman.
Luke: ...Is there even a winning outcome in this?
Bruce: No. I'm sorry.
I mean at least this Bruce looks and acts amazing...
I mean cmon give credit where it’s due. This Bruce is great
CW: the nightmare swirls and churns unending!
@@harrambou9468 Yeah, he is great but he is on Batwoman.
@@harrambou9468 the only problem with this Bruce is that he’s on Batwoman
Poor Luke couldn’t even escape through Death, there’s no worse fate than LIVING in the Batwoman universe.
For a moment I was legitimately wondering whether or not Luke would die or not.
One the one hand this is a CW,meaningful, emotional drama, real stakes, actions having consequences, not on our show, we have an agenda to push. And a show based on a comic which means that death can be undone with some stupid MacGuffin (desert rose, which doesn't even grows on a desert so why call it that ?) or another universe plot.
But on the other hand Luke have become ''problematic''. He showed interest in a women and we know that on this show heterosexuality is the devil. He and Mary told off Batwomen a couple of times, the Asian women gets a pass but we can't allow mansplaning, I'm sorry, batsplaning. They might have just kill him to make a room for this black lesbian teenage hacker and have her become a sidekick, because she's the besstest ever.
Side note: Am I the only one that is disgusted by the Gay Spider comment about Luke ? There is a person on their death bed and the first thing that comes to your mind is ''He's hot.'' ? He really is just a perverted gay and nothing else.
Well luke is black. So it overrides his straightness... Slightly.
How do you think Jacob feels?
@@kingagrabowska9366 It’s almost funny how gay people on the CW are nothing more than caricature stereotypes, and so few either call it out or have an issue with it.
@@bunnywithakeyboard7628 Stereotypes don't come out of nowhere (propaganda, misunderstanding, flanderization, tradition and many more ). I'm sure there are people like this character. Have you seen people that go to pride month marches ? It could have been a great moment to show that despite being a living ''be gay, do crime'' meme, he is more then that, he has a moral compass (better then Alice), can show gratitude for saving his life by Mary, but no. This is a CW, where good ideas and potential go to die.
Luke had a chance to leave the show and into Heaven but the writers dragged him to the Hell named Batwoman. Poor bastard.
They need a whipping boy to boss arround so luke gotta live
It does occur to me that maybe he deserves this fate. He let Kate Kane know about the batcave, right?
LMAO Julia got lucky!
Luke: I can escape? I can leave? I don't have to remain on Batwoman? Oh thank God, it's finally over...
Mary: Where the hell do you think you're going?! You've still got at least one whole season to film, now start whining and take your Desert Rose like the crybaby you are!!
You may think that some male characters get emasculated. Imagine being brought to the point where you ask the afterlife to let you die and then get brought back against your will. That’s a whole new level.
Even serving an eternity on Davy Jones's Flying Dutchman is better than being on Batwoman.
@@Xehanort10 hell yeah you get to be an immortal cool fish man
@@marcofioretti6908 Takes a while to get over the smell but after that? Peachy keen 👌
Whenever Jacob does something good: "Jacob you horrible monster!!"
Whenever Jacob does something bad: "Jacob good job"
It's like we are in Wonderland.
Jacob might become a villain with the way he's treated.
Kill-Bat-Woman,
Kill-Bat-Woman,
Kill-Bat-Woman,
Say it with me
There is a strip where a zombie is looking for brains and passes by a group of people on their phones in faux outrage drinking their lattes and the like; keeps saying brains and walks right by them. This show is that.
" SEND MORE PARAMEDICS!!! "
;3
@@ZION73082
" HARRY TRUMAN "
I didn't think the writers could make Mary's character sink any lower but seeing her walk pass all the sick suffering people knowing she has the desert rose (that can cure a lot of people) just to get to Luke was despicable!
Remember when they made an all cure out of her blood for the bat rabies in the 2nd ep? Now they have a better material to make another all cure but nooo....
You think that having the desert rose cure all would make Mary a Nobel prize winner for contributing to medicine and mankind in general. That would earn her medical degree early. Heck it would evolve her underground illegal abortion clinic becoming a legitimate medical clinic. Using her billions to give patients free healthcare. Making Gotham slowly becoming great. Not needing Batman to become Gotham’s symbol of hope.
It always makes me sick when a supposedly good character does that kind of thing. My one legit complaint with the old Stargate movie was when Daniel Jackson does something similar
Mary finally uses the Desert Rose and it's only to save Luke, not one of her patients. It just goes to show that running that clinic is only for her own self-satisfaction.Poor Luke, he just wanted to see his dad again and be at peace, but the writers had to drag him back into the world of living. Ryan finally takes responsibility for something, but it's too late to salvage his character.
Also, how does that plant grow and stay alive IN A CAVE?!?
Sunlight much?
She shouldn't even have patients at this point, she isn't even a resident, Ryan isn't taking responsibility for this, like any other SJW, she is a narcissist and is making it all about her
@@Kraven83 it's magic ✨
@@williamshelton4318 I know I could use a Desert Rose right now.
Yeah and this miracle cure isn't just the plant, you can basically take blood from anyone you gave the Desert Rose and use that as a miracle cure for potentially hundreds. You know you'd think Mary would maybe administer it as a cancer treatment or something?
Luke is important to team Bat, He's the whipping boy for the women.
Yep
And their scapegoat when things go wrong.
Now gonna be Batwing
@@phatmantv Correction: Batwhipped... 😜
@@MoyosoreOgunbiyi I never said this version would be good.
22:02 So basically Ryan has The Joker's mindset. Only with him his "Burn the system down. Chaos and anarchy are the only way" beliefs are him trying to justify the sick evil things he does. But here with Ryan it's framed as some heroic motivational speech.
I could see "burn it all down" if you've got an organization with a corrupt leadership, but if Jacob (the guy with total control over the Crows) legitimately wants to come clean and fix things, why not let him try to change things? I mean if she trusts him enough to burn it down, why not trust him enough to fix it?
That's because liberals nowadays are actually AGREEING with Joker...And we know who this show loves to pander to
@@8nicopink868 pretty much. It's not about justice. It's about revenge. Revenge for what and against who? Doesn't matter. The message is all the matters.
@@q.parablesque5610 Exactly. It doesn't matter if they don't have any plan after the vengeful destructiom is over with either 🙄
"If Alice would have experienced love earlier in life, she wouldn't have become a monster."
I am not surprised the writers already have forgotten about Mouse.
Whos mouse? 🤔Doesn't ring a bell. Was he some white guy?
Do you actually not recall or is that directed at these retarded writers 😂
I swear Mouse had more potential...
@@harrambou9468 His voice intimation powers alone had more potential than literally every other villain in this show ever could have. He was so underutilized, it wasn't even funny.
I guess Mouse didn't count since, as Alice's surrogate brother, sex wasn't an option.
@@harrambou9468 lol it was directed for them. 😏
14:50 Also, Ryan "takes responsibility " for something stupid but accurately avoids acknowledging that she has REAL responsibility for the actions that led to their incarceration in the previous episode, by being antagonistic first towards the police and then towards Luke himself when he was trying to deescalate the situation. She's clueless.
I wonder if the actor who plays Luke was hoping for him to die when he first heard he would be shot. In order to get off the show and save his acting career.
Please, get Camrus Johnson in The Batman as Luke, or a sequel, pleeeease
Bruce: “Luke you have a choice here!” Luke: “Ok I want to die.” Bruce: “you you can’t do that.” Luke: “WHY?” Bruce: “Because you’re black, you don’t get a choice.”
Probably the only thing that could have made this make sense is that when Luke chose death the door opened and Lucifer looked in said "Oh wrong door." and now we know that this whole show takes place in Luke's Hell loop.
That would be better, because it also means it’s all part of a way better tv show
“Batwahman is a fate worse then death”.
Color me surprised.
"Batwoman is a fate worse than death" couldn't have said it better myself
I'm convinced the writers and producers of this show not only hate the whole world, but hate themselves as well. Hard to come up with likable characters when you have that combination.
The episode should've ended with a distraught Luke screaming, "No. No! NOOOOOOOO!!!"
Mary: Welcome back to hell, you had us worried for a moment......
Luke: NO GOD!! PLEASE NO!! NO!! NOOOOOOOOOOO!!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
I'm pretty sure that the reason why Batwoman was added more episodes is because of this particular month.
Oh, absolutely.
Oh I 🙈 see
**Thorias’ muffled screams into a pillow**
Sounds about right.
So they gave my birth month the OTHER MEANING OF *CANCER*
Yep, I was right to design my Stand as a Fiddler Crab!
XD
I feel as if the show is best summed up by this quote from KOTOR II:
"Apathy is death. Worse than death, because at least a rotting corpse feeds the beasts and insects."
Comedy gold at the end when Alice points out how many time the Crow's parking garage has been broken into, its like she's been watching these reviews.
"You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity." - Bullet-Tooth Tony, Snatch
Virtue signals against racial stereotyping, does stereotyping.
This is worse than Finn in TLJ where he's not allowed to make a sacrifice. Luke Fox is not allow to accept his own fate and die peacefully after he made it clear that life will never accept him because he's a POC.
I love the self awareness when Alice has to point out how often the Crows' garage gets broken into.
And I just love how these deus ex machina life saving drugs appear and disappear when they need to
Luke doesn’t even have the agency to choose what he wants to do with his own life. And he’s supposed to be Batwing, a guy with zero agency. And I find that text Mary sent to Jacob about being proud of him disgusting. He disbanded his own job that he tried so hard to keep honest, God knows how long he’s going to be finding work with the Crows reputation on his resume
I loved when Batwoman couldn't find the internet. Like you said, it could've been played off as showing how vital Luke was, but came across more like Mary was helping her a grandma who couldn't find a button labeled "the internet". As much as I couldn't stand Kate, at least she knew where "the google" was on the Batcomputer. Ryan is the Milli Vanilli of crime fighting.
It would have been perfect for it to end with Luke opening his eyes expecting to be in heaven and after seeing where he is its implied he screams "Fuck!"
It'd be like the end of Dexter Season 6 where Travis Marshall is on Dexter's kill table and says "Hello Jesus" only for Dexter to say "Hello Travis."
"Am I in heaven?"
*Sees Mary*
"Aaaaaaaaaaaah, I went to HELL."
Luke : "Why...... Why won't you let me die?!"
Batwoman : "I like turtles."
🎼 "I'm a WAHMAAAAN"
-Batwahman
🐢
Let me guess: Spineless Jacob's bad decision to end the Crows (couldn't just get rid of the bad agents) will lead to an increase in crime and force Luke to become Batwing to help the overwhelmed Batwahmen?!!
Batwahmen applying ice for her sore side over her "hard to penetrate" bat suit was funny.
These are "abolish the police" folk so I expect them to write crime magically away once the crows dissapear, just as they think will happen in real life... since they are stupid.
What? Have a male come save the day? Perish the thought
But they've built a community center! Surely this means crime can no longer exist!
we all know they wont make Luke into Batwing, it will probably be Sophie or some other female character.
Gotta love how the crows weren’t dirty at all until they needed to make them all racist thugs a few episodes ago
Luke Fox... the man who would rather die than have people be mean.... a true hero.
Lol seriously the dude never once in the first like 40 episodes of the series once mentioned he was “bullied” for being black and now he has ptsd and cries non stop over the last 3 episodes about it
Also, Luke attributes his shooting to being black... But curiously we never see it being properly established. Tavaroff and the rest of the gang never say anything about Luke's race.
Not only that, but we never even see Tavaroff show any racist tendencies before that either. Arguably the only semi-racist thing you can imagine he did was assuming that Batwoman had a criminal record (presumably because she's black), but even that's a stretch. I mean someone that beats up people with their bare hands commonly probably would have a history of assault and battery before they started wearing a costume, so it's really not all that unusual an assumption.
No you are missing the point. They are white and racists. So they think that every white person MUST be like them and be racist too. It’s a delusion they convinced themselves of to continue feeling normal instead of the horrible people they truly are. Not all white people are racists. But these left folks are! 🤷🏾♂️
@@taragnor and also hanging up a guy and starving him till he gives her information, Batman was never this inhumane, yes he beat people up for information... when he found a straggler at a location but he would only keep doing that till the Police arrived which would take around a couple of minutes.
@taragnor And Ryan DOES have a criminal record, so he wouldn't even be wrong to assume that. lol
Man...Luke just wanted to get off this show but he couldn't even do that...As long as there are more ways for the writers to humiliate him he's here to stay....
"There are fates worse than death." -Mortal Kombat 11
Can Raiden reduce Ryan and Kate to living severed heads trapped in the Netherrealm? He'd truly be protecting Earthrealm then.
Living in this universe. 😂
CW: I must consult with the WOKE Gods
@@TheKpa11 BRUH LOL
And that fate was MK12
I mean, what else would you expect of writers who wrote their main protagonist as a falsely accused criminal who had drugs planted on her and a force confession forced out of her, yet in just 4 to 5 episodes, actually reveal that yes, not only did she actually happen to be in possession of actual drugs and what she accused the Crows of doing to be completely false, she was also running with and in the company of actual criminals. So maybe, just maybe, take what those same writers say with an ocean of salt.
Who wants to bet that the writers only portrayed Tavaroth as corrupt and trigger-happy now after watching Thorias' videos and realizing that they've done nothing but telling instead of showing? They have Sophie *tell* us that he's reckless and dangerous, but they show us he's the most responsible, focused and capable Crow on the show since he follows orders, looks out for his comrades, and does things by the book. At least, Roblez from last season had some build up with Lucius Fox's death being brought up in episode 6 and then everything being resolved (however, poorly) in episode 17, Tavaroth just comes out of nowhere to be used as a prop for the writers to push a heavy-handed narrative about abuse of power and police brutality when they treat two vigilantes with no moral compasses, who never hold themselves accountable for their mistakes and continuously let criminals go free (Kate with Alice, Ryan with Angelique) as infallible goddesses who everyone should look up to as role models.
Who needs talent, creativity or passion when all you have is agenda, right, Hollywood?
I'm impressed with the writers.
No-one thought this shit could get worse but they manage to do it every week.
i remember when in arrow felicity for some reason wasn't there and they made a scene explaining she left some auto running programs to complete specific tasks for them while she was away. seems to much to ask to the writers of this "show"...
>Tavaroth is willing to do anything to cover up his crimes
>Tavaroth is being persued by Batwoman who seems to have evidence against him
>Tavaroth hates Batwoman
>Tavaroth managed to kick Batwoman's ass and head butts her into his buddy's car
>Tavaroth has her incapacitaited and dead to rights
>Tavaroth gets in the car and drives away
>Tavaroth gets in the car and drives away
*>Tavaroth gets in the car and drives away*
In a properly written story she would be ended rightly either because the suit CANNOT absorb bullshit amounts of kinetic energy or the villain would stick his gun in her mouth and give her a hit load down her throat.
But this is Batwoman so of course the bad guy must run away from the almighty 'hero.'
@@SilvrSavior Dude should have just pulled an Arkham Knight and place the front wheel of his car on her head.
Yeah, lol. I was thinking the same thing when he just drove away. He has backup nearby, he has batwoman down. Why is he running instead of arresting or killing her?
Honestly had he ended her right there he'd be my favorite character right after mouse for running kate over with a truck
My understanding of Batman leads me to believe an illegal underground abortion clinic would be asking for some kneecap shattering justice if he was still in the picture.
Mary would be in intensive care if Bruce was there.
Mary would be enjoying some grappling-hook-assisted inversion therapy!
That fact that this episode is even supposed to, in any way, lead up to Luke eventually becoming Batwing later on is honestly laughable.
Luke is becoming Batwing before the end of the season and they didn't even start that journey for him until 2x15. This is going to feel so unearned.
Excuse meWUT
WAT
@@thoriasunlimited4053 In other words, par for the course for this show. Kate stole all of Bruce's stuff, Ryan had the Batsuit fall out of the sky in front of her, and Luke has done nothing except be a punching bag because we can't have men look good in this show. So no surprise there.
Oh, yay. Batwoman...
The period blood flower stuff gets stupider when you remember that it works when you just take the blood of someone who has been healed with it and inject it into another person. Ryan was healed with the period blood flower, so all she needed to do was pump some of her blood into him.
Wow. I didn't even notice how inconsiquental Luke is on this show. Despite being one of the better characters on the show, they may as well cut him lose since he's so useless anyway.
With Ryan, I'm convinced she has a victim complex and can't function unless she feels like she's being blamed for something; she makes Luke's injury all about her because she can't feel bad about it unless she's personally responsible.
Any bets on the janitors finding the bat tech Sophie and Ryan left behind and learning Batwoman's identity, too?
So, when Ryan goes to download the files to exonerate Luke, how are there hundreds? If they delete daily at 3am, then the only footage should have been from that day. Why not just download them all while saving Jacob?
Jacob disbanding the Crows is a very bad thing; they helped the police deal with crime. With them gone, isn't crime going to go up and go unpunished? And the GCPD are supposedly worse than the Crows, according to the show, and they're now the only form of law enforcement, besides Batwoman. Do these writers seriously think that this can pan out in any positive way? Who am I kidding; of course they do. They probably think that the crime will go down to 0 if they open a community center on every corner, so they don't need cops, either.
Thinking about that hospital scene from Luke's perspective is even funnier when you remember that he wakes up to Ryan and Mary smiling at him. After choosing to not put up with life's shit anymore, he's greeted by the smiling faces of the two women in his life who bully and berate him at every turn. If I were him, I would have started crying at the reality I was suddenly stuck in. Not gonna lie, though, I'm interested in where Luke will go from here; he chose to die, yet got dragged back into the hellish world of Batwoman. Is he going to be suicidal, or depressed, or perhaps determined to make the world a better place now that he's back in it? But, this is Batwoman, so they probably won't do anything good with it. It's just funny that Batwoman is at it's best when it has nothing to do with Batwoman.
@Spaced Oyster Ah good point! I'd totally forgotten about that! And it seems the writers did too because they never reread their old episodes. Wow, how pitiful they are.
It’s sad because the actors playing Luke and Bruce did a really good job with what they were given. Camrus Johnson and Warren Christie are really trying to make that scene as good as possible.
So apparently Luke's going to become Batwing by seasons end or next season and this episode was supposed to start him on that path. And I got to ask does anyone want this? I know their are Batwing fans out their but this version of Luke as displayed zero skills as a crimefighter and he'll just be Batwoman's sidekick and keep getting no respect from her. I used to love it when they introduced new heroes on these shows or made existing characters into heroes but that was when they set it up properly which we know these writers couldn't do if their lives depended on it
Isn't Batwing that flying machine that the real Batman uses to fly around? Are they gonna make Luke in to some cyborg with wings or something 🤔😂
What ?? I thought the shit got cancelled
@@elitereptilian200 Do you really think something that cool would be on a show like this?
@@elitereptilian200 Batwing had a new 52 comic run. That's all I remember lol
@@elitereptilian200 yes. But it is also a person in the comics as well.
In my country, Batwoman is used as a torturing device
Thought that was a war crime according to the UN
"You've been sentenced to watch Batwoman."
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Anything but that."
I didnt know Pottsylvania had internet now.
Same
in SOVIET RUSSIA
BATWOMAN
watches you
"There are things far more frightening than death" - Grand Inquisitor
*yeah like this show*
Anybody else now picturing Luke as the Muffin from Asdfmovie? “Somebody kill me!”
“WHY WON’T YOU LET ME DIE?!”
XD
The direction of comic book shows nowadays makes me glad that the Avengers and Arrow storylines ended because all comic book shows are virtual signaling propaganda that will be forgotten over time.
Hell Luke dying would've been his way out of this shitshow. But now that he is alive he is going to go and become Batwing and they are going to castrate that character in the future and it will be a nightmare to go through.
You know a show's bad when one of its own characters would rather die than be on it.
How much do you want to bet Sophie will make her own agency with Jacob as her lackey to replace the Crows
I thought the exact same thing, with what funds? Who knows they’ll never explain. Also I hate Sophie’s mole it’s all I notice
Oh boy. If I remade Batwoman, I would made it into some GTA sandbox like the Batman Arkham series. But I would at least make the story more focused on the ladies who happen to fight crime in vigilante costumes while posing like normal civilians when not in costume mode. Being criminals by day. Vigilantes by night. A GTA game heavily focused on vigilantism policing and militarism side of crime.
They didn't photoshop the footage, they REshot the footage. That's just a completely different scene of Luke pulling a gun.
Batwoman is so bad that even satan himself wouldn’t use this as torture because even touching the dvd or Blu-ray of this show would be torturous for his immortal hands and soul to even express.
My biggest issue is this:
What will happen to the city now since the impression is that the GCPD and Crows were barely holding the line?
I mean, they weren't really doing anything so it's probably gonna stay the same
What will happen to Sophie? Last season her mom said she needed the Crows income to survive. Is she gonna get a $12/hr job at the gay bar like Ryan?
Well, the Crows seemed to hurt/kill as many people as they helped, if not more. It's possible the crime rate might actually decrease with them gone.
Well, duh. We just need community centers! That’s clearly a substitute for police! Community centers are a 100% guarantee that crime will completely go away.
This is why I question how anyone can actually love this show and agree with its messages.
'Omg Luke's been shot!'
So?
'He could die!'
You have a magical flower that can literally cure any known disease and fatal wound. There's no danger from anything short of decapitation and even then I'm not 100% sure rubbing magical flower juice on the stump won't regrow someone's head.
I was thinking the same thing in regards to why Mary isn't at the hospital. Of course, I already figured that they would use the Desert Rose.
11:00 Has there ever been any evidence to refute the second one?
Actually, Tavaroff assaulting Jacob was not in full view of everyone, as Jacob did that thing that made it so you can't see through the window from outside. No idea why he felt the need to do that (aside from "the plot said so"). How no one aside from Tavaroff's lackeys was around to see him carry off the unconscious commander... I mean, Alice did point out at the end how bad all of the Crows are at their jobs.
This show is a shockingly (though unintentionally) accurate representation of the woke mindset. Vapid, manipulative, self- congratulatory and incoherent.
If I was luke I would welcome death's sweet embrace
He tried...But his plot armour was too strong.....😔
Death: Uff-WHA?
Luke: I DO NOT WANT TO LIVE *ANYMORE* !!!
XD
If the bodycam footage is deleted in 5 hours (horrible practice) how do they have 100s of files? Or is it national clear bodycam footage day and they don't set a minimum of days to hold since they are terrible at their job and use terribly easily exploitable workethics?
Yeah lol. The writers just come up with an amazing amount of bullshit. Not to mention they claimed that there wasn't dates on any of footage which made it hard, which is stupid because all computers track dates on every file that's created. It's all just plot contrivances created by some of the worst writers I've ever seen.
Apparently, those hundreds of files were all from that day. Or maybe the files are from every branch since the Crows are a multi-national corporation somehow lol.
The only person ever shown to have worked in Wayne Enterprises is in coma in a hospital ... Not that him being there would prevent Alice from entering anyway ...
The Underwhelmed "called it" is tonal perfection.
Lmao called it! The writers are so predictable
If Jacob ever writes a autobiography every other chapter will have to be titled " That other time I woke up tied to a chair".
Yes it is worse than death because at least death ends.
Luke has to be THE MOST PATHETIC CHARACTER ever created.
Seriously the dude gets walked over non stop, I still laugh that he didn’t know the bat mobile was in the bat cave
19:21 Sesaon 1 did establish that the windows in Jacob's office are one way and you can't see inside from the outside.
Did they? I could swear we've seen inside from the outside before.
@@thoriasunlimited4053 Wouldn't surprise me if they forgot at some point. But yeah its in the episode where Mouse disguised as Jacob, he knocks out Sophie and her husband and they wake up tied to chairs (*takes shot*). Husband guy tries screaming for help and Sophie tells him the the office is sound proof and the windows are one way.
I wonder how much editing the next few episodes got in order to make it semi-adjustable !
I honestly hope they write off Jacob/Dougray Scott. All they have him do is literally be yelled at by other people no matter what he does.
They need some white guy there to lecture with their non-sensical morals.
of course its easy to make Luke seem disposable. his only worth to the writers is his black skin but his twig&berries almost negates all that along with his straightness. he is so low on the victim totem pole he is barely two steps above straight white men.
Season 2 Finale is sunday june the 27th.
At this point they should make a show about what goes on in the Batwoman’s Writers Room. Something tells me that would be more interesting than the actual show itself.
13:00 LoL
to edit a gun into his hand will take one serious super computer and one super pro visual effects artist to edit, replace and render in 3 hours and trust me. He will spend that 3 or 4 hours just on the physics on the gun in his hand and how to make it realistic.
@Thorias Unlimited
I'm working in the industry and I'm telling you, It is almost impossible.
Reminded me of The Running Man (80s movie)
And their Ultra Photoshop for video
In 2021 WE STILL DON’T HAVE THAT!
XD
@@Ramsey276one Yep. Totally
these writers forgot that the real Batman has info about every villain he's ever faced on his batcomputer.
the reason not use it being they don't want Batfake to be "mansplained" to.
Yeah not to mention Luke didn't even try to use the batcomputer to crack the cipher in that one episode. Instead he's trying to crack the thing by hand with pencil and paper. Like if only he had access to a highly advanced supercomputer...
Luke’s batwing suit looks awesome
Yikes. It keeps getting worse
@@robertogura9890 I mean I like it, but obviously it’s down to personal preference
@King Slayer batwing has always been black lol. Not racebending
@King Slayer Nah, Luke is Batwing in the comics. Problem is he's been emasculated since the first episode. They really lean on ironman for how suits work smh
@@LostOneOmega I mean yeah Luke has been done dirty up to now. But I like to think of it in the same vein as Cisco from the flash, he used to be a nerdy scrawny guy, then he went out into the field. Plus this will do Luke some good
Bruce: Do you choose death or life?
Luke: I choose death! Please get me from these people.
CW producers: No one will leave Batwoman show. Not even you Luke.
Luke:NOOOOOO!
Mary: Luke your back
Luke:I'll never escape this living hell.
Bruce:No,no you will not.
And they revealed his Batwing suit, anyone wanna bet that he will get Nightwing's treatment? (being punching bag for pretty much everyone)
You know it, and his suit won’t be gun proof or damage proof like bat woman’s is
It’s a shame. Every time you say Ryan I have to remember who she is in the show.
Tavaroff is luke fox nemesis in the comics
With respect to everyone & in my personal & hopefully objective opinion, I found this episode to be almost very good. Almost. And here’s why:
The choreography for the fights was strong and intense in my opinion while reminding me of "The Matrix" and "Arrow",
The budget seemed to be increased from a D List movie to C+List or almost B List movie,
They brought in both the iconic characters of Bruce Wayne and Lucius Fox, sort of, while having them and Luke be in the same space together albeit in Luke's mind (Bruce) and as a ghost near the afterlife (Lucius),
Finally gave Luke full acknowledgment and credit for what he's brought to society and the team through “Bruce” & both Ryan & Mary,
Set in motion his arc towards becoming the superhero Batwing and possibly also Tavaroff becoming the supervillain Menace (including showing Tavaroff's hand to hand moves) and his mortal enemy (DC Comics),
Seemed to keep the Black Lives Matter allegory leveled down in this episode & not pushy this time in my opinion,
Had Ryan take responsibility in that she blamed herself for Luke getting shot in that if she hadn’t done such and such it wouldn't have happened to him. Whereas I don’t remember her taking responsibility for stuff before & if Thorias is right that it was half baked then to me it’s better than nothing,
Pointed out Jacob’s hypocrisy on excessive force through Tavaroff instead of conveniently forgetting that & also had his syringe found in the trash by the latter, which almost caused Jacob’s death, instead of still acting as though no one discovered that reckless act of throwing away trash,
Had Alice, instead of trying to get Kate back on her own, decide to make it a family matter and partner up with their dad Jacob to get her back & finally,
The Bat Team didn't seem to behave stupidly but showed tenacity, thinking ahead, professionalism, common sense, and behaved very smart in my opinion.
For example but when Luke was shot & instead of the team twiddling their fingers and doing nothing, Mary moved quickly and got ahold of their healing plant and went on a mission to inject its serum into him so he could recover.
Next example of smart thinking but Mary was unable to get it to Luke since her adopted dad Jacob Kane had him under guard but instead of bemoaning it and giving up, the team instead called Spider Wolf to literally swing over and deliver it to him while she distracted the guards.
Third but when Tavaroff and his buddies doctored video evidence to cover the truth behind the shooting, instead of acting like there was nothing the team could do it occurred to Ryan and Sophie to go over and find the real video showing the truth and clearing Luke's name.
And they did it at the same time Mary and Spider Wolf delivered the serum to Luke. Two, and what appeared to be coordinated, simultaneous operations and both to help Luke.
Fourth but when Ryan apprehended a witness who was a thief while connected to what led to Luke getting shot and he told her what happened and that the Crows were the problem while insisting she let him walk, instead of obliging him considering how much she hates the Crows and her emotions having clouded her past judgement, she handed him to the GCPD in addition to going after the Crows.
Here’s the problems I saw though in that first it had some sjw with Luke being shot an allegory of unarmed black man with phone shot by white agent but in last night's episode the allegory was leveled down and not pushy in my opinion while instead exploring institutional corruption even though it was also probably unnecessary.
Second but when Ryan fought Tavaroff she said she and Luke shared DNA (the black thing). That script line was unnecessary
for obvious reasons.
Third but in an example of poor script writing in my opinion, Sophie told Jacob that she always supported his decisions. Not true since she was a major Batwoman supporter in S1 which caused conflict between her and Jacob.
Either it's just lazy writing or Caroline is allowing some characters to have conveniently forgetful memories.
And I didn’t think of it but Thorias made a good point about the Luke being cute quote from Spider Wolf.
if not for seeing those four particular problems, one might’ve wondered if there was a new showrunner or if this was a different show.
CONFIRMED: Batwoman is a Cultural Revolutionist show, that’s what this show is about.
I wonder what would happen if Anarchy was ever brought into the show.
@@King_Nex
Nothing would happen because they are all bad guys.
One would say they are trying to start anarchy, unless that’s an actual character, on purpose so they can do nothing.
@@Tom531Cat The way I see it, one of three things would happen:
1. Batwoman would hypocritically try to stop him
2. They'd team up
3. They'd pull one of those "right motive, wrong methods" things that a lot of Marvel properties have been doing lately.
@@King_Nex
I vote 2.
For some reason Batwoman will be sympathetic to him.
Hell, she might become heterosexual for him and have a baby out of it.
@@Tom531Cat A heterosexual lead? On this show? Get real.
Besides, Anarchy is about 13 years old.
Season 3 will be awesome
To us who will never watch it but will enjoy your reviews of it
About Luke choosing to live or die, there was an argument there. Many people have said something to the effect of ‘choosing to live’ is more important than the machines forcing your body to live - you shut down your consciousness and just...stop. I have never been in such a situation, but it is definitely possible that people who have assistance to stay alive could just give up and the machines would only let that person hang on.
The engine can run, but until someone pushes the accelerator, that car goes nowhere.
Beyond that, this show is still pretty horrible. Thanks for suffering through it for the rest of us.
A little late watching your review but only one thing to say….. 😂😂😂😂 Luke choosing death over been in the show is the most amazing thing ever 😂😂
If I was Luke I probably would have walked into the light. 😒
SPRINTED
XD
Off topic question: Which one is worse? Batwoman or the new Watchmen show?
Been a while,but that was worth the wait. Any plans to cover Loki?
I read that Loki is Gender Fluid(s)
Saw the first episode, looks interesting so far
@@Hanmacx I think they're trying to play the shape shifter angle. But Loki never played the "gender fluid" card to me.
@@penguintaco9038 nah it legit says fluid under the gender tab.
@@Vamp19vv shiiiiiit
Goodbye Loki.
They dropped the images for Luke Fox in costume but I shouldn't be surprise that an episode like this is the starting point for him as Batwing
But shouldn't that starting point have been a lot sooner? Like the beginning of the season maybe? If the starting point is just a couple episodes before he becomes Batwing, this is going to feel rushed as hell.
Luke will play a more important role soon with the Bat-Wing pics they posted. In the comics he's Bat-wing, a batman like character that didn't last long. Knowing this show they'll probably make him the beta male sidekick to Ryan lol. Great job dude, btw not sure if you heard somehow Batwoman got inked for a season 3 🤣.
The prophet hath spoketh
Can't wait for the Season Finale.
No use calling the Police because they have been defunded.
For a moment I was legitimately wondering whether or not Luke would die or not.
One the one hand this is a CW,meaningful, emotional drama, real stakes, actions having consequences, not on our show, we have an agenda to push. And a show based on a comic which means that death can be undone with some stupid MacGuffin (desert rose, which doesn't even grows on a desert so why call it that ?) or another universe plot.
But on the other hand Luke have become ''problematic''. He showed interest in a women and we know that on this show heterosexuality is the devil. He and Mary told off Batwomen a couple of times, the Asian women gets a pass but we can't allow mansplaning, I'm sorry, batsplaning. They might have just kill him to make a room for this black lesbian teenage hacker and have her become a sidekick, because she's the besstest ever.
Side note: Am I the only one that is disgusted by the Gay Spider comment about Luke ? There is a person on their death bed and the first thing that comes to your mind is ''He's hot.'' ? He really is just a perverted gay and nothing else.
When he said that line, I thought to myself that Luke should watch his back and ass before he gets something up there.
@@isplat927 He needs to watch his drinks like a hawk when he goes to the gay bar.
You poor thing: you mean you actually watched the episode?
Though this give me a rare opportunity: could you tell me how it feels like to make up an entire 1% of the show's audience? :D
Pozdrawiam.
@@Kewryn No, I didn't watch it. I saw a title ''Luke goes to Haven'' from a different youtuber earlier and it got me wondering.
Alice killing many innocent people -> "she's psychotic... or maybe hypnotized, anyway let's let her escape every time we meet her"
A crow shooting a single guy that he thought was a bad guy - > "shameful, racist ! he must pay !!"
(Soon Luke will become Batwing, but I think that somehow the writers are not gonna give him more usefulness and that he will still be ridiculed by Batwoman, Mary and Co)
Dude, I know so many of us can't thank you enough to reviewing this horrible show to save us from having to do it. I mean for me I get more entertainment from your reactions than the flat acting on this show. I tried back at the beginning of season one but couldn't connect but your review popped up on my notifications and I've been hooked here since.
The writers of this show are not actual writers they are activists and SJW's posing as writers. The lack of talent they display is staggering and hilarious.
From the photos I have seen released by CW
Luke's suit looks better than Batwoman's suit and that's not a high achievement to accomplish but if your supporting characters looks better than your main lead I'm just saying 🤷🤷
It looks *WAY* better. Sadly, it's for this pile of rancid garbage, so that kills any excitement. I wish they'd just cancel this show, retcon it out of continuity, and start a new show focused on Luke as Batwing, since he's clearly the most likable character here. Oh, and just to be clear, get new, better writers for that.
Seriously
HOW?!
Did they put more effort NOW??
XD
His expression at the beginning of this video was classic.