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When Dan says "s-tier ergo chair" it goes onto the short list for me. Thanks for all the reviews Dan. Production value seems much higher in this video. New space?
Bought this fully loaded from a local authorized reseller for $700. Love it. Way better than the embody, aeron, leap v2. Have never been in a more comfortable chair than the fern
So just tried a Fern in the Haworth store. 7 months after buying my gaming Embody...the difference is noticeable! I felt the Fern more comfortable overall
The mesh of the Fern (if you sat in that one), feels really lightweight and breezy, But The fabric on the Embody, as well as the Fern Digital fabric, is way better if you intend on long sitting sessions for work. I split the difference and got the Fern digital fabric - but some conference chairs at my office have the Embody.
Chair looks amazing and feels exceptionally well-built. Very quiet with no creaks or squeaks. The fatal flaw is that the seat pan is not long enough for tall people (I'm 6'3"). The seat pan IS adjustable but if you sit with good posture, straight up, and move the seat pan forward all the way or even one click short of maximum length, your behind will be sitting on the very edge of the back of the seat cushion with a large gap between the back of the seat and the back rest.
I have one since 7months now. I'm 185cm for 105kg and it's perfect in terms of height. When I received it, it had a problem with the back and forward of the seat that would not be blocked in position anymore after the first use so I contacted Haworth service and they responded that i should try to repair it myself event at the risk of breaking it and if that didn't work they would take it on themselves and exchange it. And they did. I couldn't repair the broken part so they exchanged it under two weeks. The backrest is really the plus of this chair, it's really good. It follow your back without hindering your movements too much. The only part I'm disappointed with is the cushion of the seat. It was really good the first month but after using it between 4 and 10 hours per day it's now hurting almost as much as my old gaming chair after 2 years of use. It's making me happy to have a standing desk so I can have some pause when using it while working which shouldn't be the case so soon for the price. But overall, I think it's a great chair for big guy but more lightweight than I am, I guess. (Plus I don't know if it's still available but there was a way to have it new with a discount of ~200€ on their european website with a discount code).
Not sure if it can be described as value when it's double the price of the Steelcase Series 1 and Series 2 which I'm also researching after doing a lot between the Leap V2 and Gesture, ruling out the Aeron
I got this chair a few months ago since it seemed pretty similar to the Embody but at half the price. Had pretty bad lower back pain as a result of the chair I had prior, haven't had any since.
I'm glad Yong chimed in on this chair. At a similar height and weight, I'm also particular about how the high back feels against my shoulders. Some chairs get everything else right for me but it's still a deal breaker when my shoulders hit the frame or stick out.
@@themeanie. My search continues, although just over one year ago I did check out all available floor models at my local office Depot and went home with a $350 Shaquille O'Neal chair for big and tall people. It delivers comfort when it comes to the backrest, although the fixed armrests fall drastically short of optimal and the seat cushion has already started sagging just enough to lose some of its initial comfort. And it's all fake leather, so it gets hot and sweaty with use. In my experience, it was a nice upgrade from a wooden low back chair, but I'm still looking for something better for a tall person with wide shoulders to work in all day long, preferably with a mesh back to stay cool and maybe even a mesh seat if it's constructed and designed correctly.
Finally the review I was waiting for, but I already bought a used Fern for 400€ and I am totally happy with it. The thing that make me wonder, are the prices here in Germany. You can get the Fern show in the video for around 1300€ to 1600€, depending on the dealer. Without lumbar support, tild adjustment, fixed armrest and basic fabric for 900€. In comparison the Herman miller embody only costs 1200€ from a local dealer. Thanks for your great reviews. Which made the decision so much easier. Ps: Tested the gesture as well and I totally agree, you can feel the bottom.
Great review. Owner of a Fern for 1.5y now and although I have some issues with it, I can confidently say your review is on point and shows the main traits of the chair. I will point out 3 things that I would correct (but it's also a bit opinionated): the seat is a bit too firm for me but I do have a harsher seat fabric (felt/wool); the armrests, while being super adjustable and having stupid side range, they won't stay in place as much as I'd like; finally I want to note the lumbar support may not be for everyone despite not being too pronounced, but it CAN be removed (you can look it up on the chair manuals online, it's tricky but possible).
I actually just unscrewed my arm wrests pads and managed to tighten them up. Super happy now, as I found them so easy to bump out of place before I tightened them.
@@cldpt it comes off easily once all the screws are off - if you're fighting it, it means there's still screws left! Mine had 3 I believe. Confusing as there are at least two official fern documents saying there are 2 Or 3 screws..
"Half the Price" or $924, seems to be the Quick Ship Black (Coal) version, while lumbar is added, no forward tilt and the base is plastic. In US Store, before any promotional discounts, a custom Mesh Fern (only way to get forward tilt on official store), without Lumbar and default color, is $1239. When you configure it with the fabric colors shown in video and lumbar, the price goes up to $1419, closing the gap with the low Embody. Luckily, forward tilt isn't well implemented, like mentioned in video. So it could of be said, at $924 (plus 10% off now), if you are fine with the quick ship black configurattn, plastic base with no forward tilt, it is a very attractable price, plus shipped fast.
After using Embody for years, I got this chair on black friday deal for 700 euro. It absolutely WIPES the floor with Embody, even at its most basic, cheapest configuration (all black, no lumbar, yes forward tilt). I can't even imagine how comfortable it is with 3D knit fabric backrest and leather seating (not available in EU). What is funny is that loaded, it would prolly still be cheaper than Embody.
Damn 700 euro is an good deal. I am tempted right now as with holiday deal right now it is 830. Seems black Friday was an better deal. Maybe will wait another year ;-) as it seems they do those deals on those occasions.
@@danielradomiak9468 maybe a good idea to wait if you are not in dire need of a comfortable chair. Some dealers say Haworth will soon start selling (but it is not certain) Ferns with the 3D knit backrest feature, and a lot of people are very fond of it. I wish I could try it, but I live in Spain so it is actually more useful to have a more ventilated simple mesh.
Ahhhh yessss, the review we've all been waiting for. I'm glad it lived up to the hype. Now I gotta go ham on the customizations they give you for this chair. 😉
My uncle worked for Herman Miller for 15+ years, so my brother and I ended up with aerons that had been sitting around not being used. Now 7+ years later after acquiring my aeron, it's just completely worn out and would be too cost prohibitive to repair. Nowadays, my uncle works for Haworth! I just ordered a base model Fern with lumbar adjustment at employee pricing, super stoked to get it and experience all the hype! Thanks for the video, I now have high expectations 🤣
@@slvrization love it, soft edge vs the hard edge of the aeron is much more comfortable. The chair in general is much more supportive and I prefer it thus far. No regrets
Thanks having Yong on. I am not quite as tall as him, but love my Embody for the same reasons. I was able to get mine for $1200 or so a few years back when people weren't all working from home.
Yeah I have no idea what they were thinking, I took one look at the price and said may as well get an embody, which I did by getting a deal for $1100. Gotta admit I was tempted by their xbox chair version, but it's just not worth $1500, no chair is.
FERN UPGRADE - I've got fern and it's silent when you upgrade the noisy wobbling hand rests. Take them out from the chair base sleeves (you need to push from the bottom) and then insert a small plastic (1,5-2mm thick) in between the sleeves and the arm rest inserts to fill the gap. You can also use a duck tape to tighten the inserts because they are from 2 parts so you could take the arm rests out but since they are not tight the whole arm rests are wobbly and noisy. When you duck tape the two parts together the arms rests are then sturdy and make no noise. If you have lumbar and it starts to make squeaking noises you need to take the fabric down then the front mesh then the lumbar pillow and then you put some vaseline on the metal moving parts of the lumbar. Then you put everything back together and it's like new.
I tried out this chair for a month! Mine had the extra padding on the backrest and didn't have the lumbar support. Gotta say, I feel like it needs the extra lumbar support. Without it the softness of the backrest didn't provide much support and I felt myself slouching pretty badly before long. I also tried it alongside the Embody and I preferred the way the Embody sort of slightly hugs your back. The Fern was nice but it felt a little like sitting against a balloon. I also found the recline smoothness lacking compared to the Embody. Definitely an extremely good value for the price though!
It's basically the same price as the Embody. I was wondering why the dude said it was half the price. I'm wondering if Haworth made changes to the Fern to justify the price.
This video is SPOT ON! I'm 6'1" and 165 lbs and went deep into the market, spending hours in stores trying every Steelcase, Herman Miller and Haworth model. Like you said at 4:29 the problem with so many is that you can feel the bottom through the cushion. So I've come down to the same 2: HM Embody and Haworth Fern. Embody Pros: best seat hands down! Embody Cons: lumbar is quite firm by design and the armrests go all the way forward to my wrist crease and do not adjust front/back. Higher price. Fern Pros: thicker cushion than competitors, tall back with the best combo of support and comfort (I found the optional adjustable lumbar option is necessary) Fern Cons: the seat gap issue is real - would be a deal breaker if my legs were any longer but I seem to be ok 2-3 clicks from the max extension. If you're under 6ft ignore this con.
I tried the Fern in Digital Knit with the lumbar adjustment after the last Haworth Black Friday sale and it wasn't for me. Here's why. First, I LOVED the seat. Super comfortable, generously-sized, and well-designed. For this ergonomics rebel, it was easy to bring my feet up without any hard edges digging into me, unlike the Aerons I'm subjected to at work. I could also sit on my knees and have my feet slip right into the gap between the seat and the back. On chairs that have no gap, this isn't possible! This is by far my favorite seat. The seat back was also great in how it moves with you, and the Digital Knit felt great. The whole chair was really solid and well-designed. Except, the arms did not work for me. I push down on them to change positions several times per hour and because they don't lock, they will slip on you and cause you to stumble. The other failing was mine: I *really* should have gotten the model with the headrest. Because it's a part of the chair, it can't be added later. I thought the seat would be tall enough to skip it at 5'4", but that is not the case. I tried a neck travel pillow and it's too fiddly for daily use. So, I ended up sitting in other positions more often, which meant I ran into the issue with the arms moving more often. If the arms could lock in place and not be so fiddly, and if I had the headrest, I probably would have kept it. Even more so if the recline could be locked like the gaming chairs. Which by the way, the Secret Lab Titan Evo 2022 was a disaster for me. It was like sitting on stiff boards on the bottom and back; not my idea of comfort. It took me a month to decide if I should return the Fern. I knew I was returning the Evo within an hour. Keep up the great videos.
Love the video, gonna check out the new one with the added headrest next. I'm your height, but it was helpful to bring in your certified tall person for another viewpoint. Very informative video.
Just bought one with the digital knit using your link. The high back closed the deal for me. At 6' 1", I just can't stand when the back's too short to lean on. Thanks for your reviews!
I tried this chair in the Executive setup fully loaded with the Oceanic Flotsam all black. For reference I currently sit on a Mirra 2 loaded which I love. But of course I could not resist giving the Fern a shot. I actually sent it back a day later. It just does not measure up to a Herman Miller. Now of course my experience is different from someone else's. Also, I am not throwing shade on Dan's review and experience. Just simply sharing mine to someone who is trying to make an informed decision about which chair to get.
Interesting...i actually enjoyed this seat for a year and then found i was struggling with the seat and foam and it just got uncomfortable while sitting for long periods...ended up selling at a massive loss but lessons learned! i traded up to the embody and love it so far ...will be interesting to see how the embody is after a year!
Was looking at the Embody Gaming edition, but the lumbar support (which I'm especially looking for) seemed lackluster compared to the Fern. Haworth Fern in Europe currently has a 20% discount, and I just pulled the trigger. I'm 6,2" (188 cm) and weigh around 220 pounds (100 kg). Your videos have been immensely helpful in finding a new chair. Though I had to spend more than twice than I thought I would lol. Hopefully it's worth it.
8:55 literally the first time I see someone of my size sitting in an Embody. Ordered it last week and I'm now soo relieved that I wont be too tall when it finally arrives 🎉
I really wanted to love this chair but I'm in the process of returning mine. I got the executive version with headrest, (fake) leather, and no lumbar, as Haworth wasn't selling the headrest with any other fabric through their store. I like a lot about the chair, but really think that all three of those options might be the wrong choice. The headrest feels a bit cheap and is a little too far forward, so my shoulders can't fit quite right with it on, though it fits my height well enough (6'1", 185lbs). The leather isn't breathable at all and weirdly ripples/bunches when I sit in the chair properly -- not a great fabric for the flexible construction of the chair. I think the mesh or knit would work much better. And I found myself shoving a rolled up towel in the back, because without additional lumbar, the midback just collapses and causes me to slouch. Another small issue is that with broad shoulders, the back's frame does dig right into the center of my shoulder blades sometimes, which is not ideal. All that said, though, yours is the first review I've seen that really goes into detail on the lumbar feel (most just say "it's aggressive"), and I think I may try to find a dealer with one in mesh with lumbar and see if it resolves my issues, because I genuinely like the recline feel, the back flexibility, the seat, and overall look, and think a breathable version with some support higher up in the back (and maybe without the headrest) might be the way to go. Or I may end up with a Gesture w/ headrest, since I really *do* want a headrest for lounging... Thanks for the good review!
One thing to note with the Gesture and it is possible that I was using it wrong but I didn’t find it a great lounging chair. If you recline back, there is a bit of resistance, so you have to put a bit of effort to making it stay reclined versus most other chairs I’ve tried. Armrest of the Gesture is really amazing though
Thanks for the great review on the options and leather. Hopefully they will rectify the fabric options for the headrest at least. Does this allow for the headrest to be added later as I can't see any cut outs/attachment areas on the non headrest version.
Picked this chair up in the digital mesh configuration after hours of research. Very happy I didn't go with Herman Miller or Secret Lab. Love the Fern!
The problem I have with all Haworth chairs being 6’2 is that when you pull the seat pan out to get more support (I have long thighs), it leaves a gap between the seat back. This is a fatal design flaw if you’re taller IMO.
I just bought the fern and have had it for a few weeks now. I tried out the embody several times, but I found rather uncomfortable and the pull out seat seems cheaply made. the extending portion of the seat is not of the same material as the entire seat. I was quite disappointed in the Embody. However, with the fern, I immediately fell in love with it. My only complaint, and some may see this as a big con, is the forward tilt. Since the top of the seat does not tilt forward, the forward tilt option is rather useless. Nevertheless, the Fern, in my opinion, is by far, better than the embody. I am 5'9, about 190 pounds. It hugs my back very nicely!
I am so glad you reviewed this, I bought on Facebook Marketplace for $360 i really really love it. I'm 5'11 280lbs male for reference, only thing i dislike is the fabric choice for the backrest.
Sorry for late reply. What I hate is the mesh fabric. If my shirt lifts or if my skin touches the mesh directly it just feels like it’s rough on my skin. But I’m in touch with someone from local dealer and I’m ordering a different material
I've had mine for about four months now. Coming from an Aeron remastered I am much happier towards the end of the work day in the Fern. The Aeron was simply too strict in the lumbar area and did not allow much variation in position. I did not order my Fern with the built in lumbar cushion because I was worried about being locked in with too much support again. I did however place a 2" thick rectangle of latex cushioning in the lumbar area gap of the chair, which works wonderfully for me. The one improvement I would really like to see is the recline stop steps much closer together. Even one click back is too far back for me to type so I just leave it locked fully upright all the time.
So interesting. Why not leave it at the first tick but get it super tight? I just tightened mine and had to loosen it since I like to sit back just a hair!
@@Ahnestly I do that sometimes too, but fully tensioned is even more upright than the first locked position. What I am looking for is something between the first and second locked position. I can sort of accomplish that by setting the lock one click back and setting the tension just right to allow it to stop between 1 and 2. The issue is that depth of recline will change if my feet are tucked under the chair, flat neutral, or extended in front of me. I've gotten quite comfortable at the first locked position at this point and don't find myself fiddling with it much any more. I crave upper back support and LOVE that this backrest curves back inward up top and supports my entire back to the top of my shoulders.
@@Ahnestly ngl got scared on the first sit because the seat is very firm and small vs my old chair. But after a couple days I love it. Still very expensive in Canada (1700 CAD) SO I'm going to be very picky the next few weeks
I love your reviews thank you so much! I was dreading having to spend 1100 on an embody but this ticks off all the same boxes except that amazing exoskeleton design. But me and my wallet Are just gonna have to go with the amazing fern. Your reviews have been so very helpful i truly appreciate you
I'd love to see you bring the ladies in to try the Fern....or some short guys. I am 5' 4 and it looks like this would ALMOST support my head without the headrest!
Need to find a way to sneak into Dan's office and "exchange" the Mavix M7 I took from him with either the Embody or Fern... #letyongstealdansembodyorfern 😂
Contessa/okamura is the only high end chair with an actual tilt recline lock. Very comfortable and much better than the steel case forward sliding seat.
The problem with the rubber grid system on the back is that a wave can form that presses against your back which doesn't feel very nice. Then you have to press your back starting from the lumbar region evenly against the back of the chair so the wave in the grid doesn't form.
Hi @ahnestly - is this still your favorite chair? How would you rate the seat cushion in terms of breathability? I'm currently also looking at the Steelcase Karman because I need something more breathable for not only the back, but for the bottom. Appreciate all the reviews!
Hey! The seat is going to be as breathable as any cloth chair - not the best, but not the worst either. Compared to Karman, it’ll be night and day. Can’t compete with the Karman in terms of breathability. If you decide to pick up, please consider using my links! Helps the channel a LOT!
Glad to see the Fern finally getting the love it deserves! My only issues were the rocky arms and feeling the back of the seat when pulling it out. Try the Digital Knit version
I absolutely love the look of the Fern, and it's been on my short list for a "real chair" investment to replace my budget seats (Mellet and an old SitOnIt Torsa). Thanks for this review man, I've come to trust your reviews above all others!
@@Ahnestly I went ahead and made the purchase. Think it ticks all the right marks for me after all. Wifey bought an Embody at the same time soooo, here's to seeing which we like best!
Ahn Please answer which desk chair has the softest, cushiest, plushest seat? I can’t do a hard seat. Haven’t heard you say which is the most softest/comfiest. No firm chairs pls🤍
Watch the video coming out tomorrow. Softest seat. If you need something sooner, check out my review of the steelcase Amia (currently 25% off with my stackable code). Excellent seat, plush yet supportive! And if you decide to pick up, please consider using my link. It helps the channel a LOT!
At first I thought the back is way more flexible, because it reminded me of my "Interstuhl Pure" chair, which I love for its flexible back. Nevertheless it looks like a great chair.
@@t.h.9897 Oh that's too bad. For me it works great. I switched to a Aeron for some weeks and after I switched back I really thought wow I broke free and can move again. The Aeron is way too static for me, which forced me into one position. Of course that's preference but I really like active chairs that also have a backrest, that you'll need for long sitting. Most active chairs without backrest are too intense for the back on long sitting periods. Maybe the Embody would be my preference because the backrest is also a little flexible, but these are rare to get cheaper as second hand.
I got an impeccable condition leap V2 factory authorized return on black Friday from Crandall's for $800 (including tax and shipping). It has headrest and no arms (my preference) and fabric ( would prefer leather) for seating and back. It seems like a great deal. My only issue with it is the headrest sucks. I can still return it, but with current prices I'd be paying $900 MORE for a new fern with their additions for $1700. I would eventually add the atlas headrest which will bring that price up even more. Just not sure if it's worth it at these prices. If both were similar in price I'd go for the Fern, but I'd be paying over double
I'm now quoting a Fern chair here, seems they have 3 sizes if you try to customize took they have. I decided to pick the Fern over the Embody for 1- Price. Fully loaded Fern chair is like ~$1200 including taxes and shipment while the embody ~ $1900 2- Quiet. I looked the review of the embody and noticed there is some cracks (or something like that) from the back because of the design. If price neither how quiet the chair is, then both chairs are great.
Bought my Quick Ship Coal Fern during their black Friday sale. FedEx ended up losing the chair so Haworth sent out another one and gave an extra 10% off. For just over $700 shipped I think its a great value when compared to the Embody and Gesture.
@@bmtenoch8230 HAHA I was going to say you spelled ahnestly wrong, but you redeemed yourself. In all seriousness, thank you so much. Comments like this really make my day and encourage me to keep doing what I'm doing. Really hope it helped and if you decide to pick up anything, please consider using my links! Helps the channel a LOT!
Hey Dan, any chance you could give more detail (or RUclips Short maybe?) about the plastic back "grid" material? I used to have a Herman Miller Mirra (tried both with and without the butterfly mesh fabric) and on both I found I could feel the hard ridges of the plastic on my back when leaning into the chair.
The grid is totally rubber and you can see how bendy it is. Not at all like the mirra, where the rubber IS the frame. If you get the non lumbar version, I believe you get a more padded back, and not some stiff rubber frame!
@@Ahnestly Thanks for the reply! I think I would prefer to have the lumbar adjustment. Unfortunately I've just seen the chair doesn't seem to be available in the UK/Europe with the lumbar option. Also the UK price on their site is £1100 ($1450)!
Is it possible to have a detailed comparison with Embody? It is interesting to see how they are different and to know your suggestions on how to choose between them.
I can literally agree with everything you said.. that being said I still have back pain in the fern. Aeron embody leap think and now fern have all caused me back pain. I think I’ll try some cheap chairs now 😂
I feel you buddy. I'm on my 3rd "high end" chair now and none of them help with my particular back pain. I always still need to use an extra makeshift lumbar support such as a tolled up towel, pillow, etc. And at that point, it's like...what is the chair even doing lol. I could do the same thing to a wooden chair lol.
Long shot, but could it be due to posture while sitting or you didn’t give your back enough time to adjust to the chairs? I know with my Embody, my back did hurt a little bit at the beginning and now I think it’s great
I liked the seat during the 30 day return timeframe. After about 2 months, the foam in the seat is bottoming out and I'm able to feel what ever is below the foam and I'm not even 200lbs. I'm guessing that's not covered under the warranty.
Damn this chair does look really good! But have you considered looking at Okamuras line of chairs ? I have heard a lot of good stuff from them but not many reviewers have reviewed their products but their chairs look as premium as Herman Miller and steelcases One of their models, most of their have the unique armrest feature that operates the recline and the seat like Neue but with more features. The one that caught my eye from the Okamura is the Contessa and the Finora, would love to see a video about these chairs.
Nice pick, I've been rocking one for a few weeks now. I went with the digital knit w/ wool seat and love it. May end up removing the lumbar support though.
this is one of the chairs I would consider, but looking at other reviews I've seen the headrest is not that good. That's my pet peeve with these office chairs: why good chairs with good headrests are so rare? why the back is often short (ok, this is not that short)? I want a chair where I can work and when I want to watch a movie I can recline and put my head on a good headrest.
Thank you for this. Looks like a great alternative to the much pricier Herman Miller Embody. Now to get my hands on one in Canada here....seems a bit difficult as I can't just order through the site and have to go through a dealer.
Unfortunately, the competitive pricing is gone. This chair now exceeds the cost of the Aeron, Leap, and the Embody. The cheapest possible version (no arms, plastic base, mesh, etc) is $1,579.68. At that price, you'd need a ~37% discount to approach that $1,000 mark.
Hey, are you in the USA? If so, I'm seeing a fully loaded plastic base model for $1,155? haworth.pxf.io/AoJJED If you remove the lumbar and forward tilt, it's $1,015
Thank you!!! I personally like the Fern better. I'm sitting on a Sayl right now at home and the seat is awesome, but I need some more targeted lumbar support like that on the Fern! Let me know which you decide on (please consider using my Amazon link if you decide to purchase - helps the channel a LOT!)
I have to follow up with Autonomous. They said they'd send it, but then the convo died. I have SO many videos in my backlog, so it would be a while before I could get to it!
Mind reviewing the Martiangear Starfighter or Starship? It seems like they started shipping Internationally recently. Still looking forward to the US release of Ergotune! 🤞
Hey bro ! Thanks for the review ! With your recent review on the Steelcase Amia, do you have any preference ? I know you have Top 3 with the Embody but wanted to see what you would pick as 1st now. Keep up the good work !
Who else LOVES their Fern!?!?!
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6 foot 225LB. Bodybuilder.
Gamer and Desk Job.
Can this chair help 10 hours at desk physical issues?
When Dan says "s-tier ergo chair" it goes onto the short list for me. Thanks for all the reviews Dan. Production value seems much higher in this video. New space?
Haha yeah I was able to rent a studio! I have too many damn chairs though...
@@Ahnestly I'd be happy to help solve that problem and take a chair off your hands hahaha
@@Ahnestly you could totally send me one. 👀
Bought this fully loaded from a local authorized reseller for $700. Love it. Way better than the embody, aeron, leap v2. Have never been in a more comfortable chair than the fern
wish they were still that cheap. It seems like 2-3 months ago all chair companies raised their price by 500$
So just tried a Fern in the Haworth store. 7 months after buying my gaming Embody...the difference is noticeable! I felt the Fern more comfortable overall
The mesh of the Fern (if you sat in that one), feels really lightweight and breezy, But The fabric on the Embody, as well as the Fern Digital fabric, is way better if you intend on long sitting sessions for work. I split the difference and got the Fern digital fabric - but some conference chairs at my office have the Embody.
Chair looks amazing and feels exceptionally well-built. Very quiet with no creaks or squeaks. The fatal flaw is that the seat pan is not long enough for tall people (I'm 6'3"). The seat pan IS adjustable but if you sit with good posture, straight up, and move the seat pan forward all the way or even one click short of maximum length, your behind will be sitting on the very edge of the back of the seat cushion with a large gap between the back of the seat and the back rest.
This is a helpful observation!!
Tha sad, I'm a teen whos 6 foot and still growing and I'm looking for a chair for the rest of my life
I have the same
Problem with my Haworth Very
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Just picked this up for $400 no tax out the door w a local refurbisher. Excited to own it!
I have one since 7months now. I'm 185cm for 105kg and it's perfect in terms of height. When I received it, it had a problem with the back and forward of the seat that would not be blocked in position anymore after the first use so I contacted Haworth service and they responded that i should try to repair it myself event at the risk of breaking it and if that didn't work they would take it on themselves and exchange it. And they did. I couldn't repair the broken part so they exchanged it under two weeks.
The backrest is really the plus of this chair, it's really good. It follow your back without hindering your movements too much. The only part I'm disappointed with is the cushion of the seat. It was really good the first month but after using it between 4 and 10 hours per day it's now hurting almost as much as my old gaming chair after 2 years of use. It's making me happy to have a standing desk so I can have some pause when using it while working which shouldn't be the case so soon for the price.
But overall, I think it's a great chair for big guy but more lightweight than I am, I guess.
(Plus I don't know if it's still available but there was a way to have it new with a discount of ~200€ on their european website with a discount code).
They have a 12 year warranty - maybe call and see what can be done? Thanks for the feedback!!
I've had this chair for about 6 months while working from home and gaming and its been great and couldn't agree more. Best value chair there is!
Not sure if it can be described as value when it's double the price of the Steelcase Series 1 and Series 2 which I'm also researching after doing a lot between the Leap V2 and Gesture, ruling out the Aeron
Steelcase refuses to answer my emails....not sure why...everyone else sent me their chairs to review! lol
@@Ahnestly Feel free to PM me. I can explain in more detail.
I got this chair a few months ago since it seemed pretty similar to the Embody but at half the price. Had pretty bad lower back pain as a result of the chair I had prior, haven't had any since.
Yesss!!!
I assume half the price in 2022, beause now 2023, I see the prices are on par or even higher than Embody
@@freedonx was about $800 when I got it during a 15% off sale
how’s it half the price?
it’s literally expensive fully kitted
goes up to 1.9k in some places
@@Joeleon2 where? & What
modifications did you pick to get price?
I'm glad Yong chimed in on this chair. At a similar height and weight, I'm also particular about how the high back feels against my shoulders. Some chairs get everything else right for me but it's still a deal breaker when my shoulders hit the frame or stick out.
Have you found a comfortable chair for a tall person?
@@themeanie. My search continues, although just over one year ago I did check out all available floor models at my local office Depot and went home with a $350 Shaquille O'Neal chair for big and tall people. It delivers comfort when it comes to the backrest, although the fixed armrests fall drastically short of optimal and the seat cushion has already started sagging just enough to lose some of its initial comfort. And it's all fake leather, so it gets hot and sweaty with use.
In my experience, it was a nice upgrade from a wooden low back chair, but I'm still looking for something better for a tall person with wide shoulders to work in all day long, preferably with a mesh back to stay cool and maybe even a mesh seat if it's constructed and designed correctly.
we definitely need more reviews based on body type. This wouldve saved me a lot of money over the years but alas you live and you learn!
Finally the review I was waiting for, but I already bought a used Fern for 400€ and I am totally happy with it. The thing that make me wonder, are the prices here in Germany. You can get the Fern show in the video for around 1300€ to 1600€, depending on the dealer. Without lumbar support, tild adjustment, fixed armrest and basic fabric for 900€. In comparison the Herman miller embody only costs 1200€ from a local dealer.
Thanks for your great reviews. Which made the decision so much easier.
Ps: Tested the gesture as well and I totally agree, you can feel the bottom.
Nice!! I'm glad you were able to find the perfect chair for you!!!
Out of curiosity, where did you find your Fern? I'm having a hard time finding sellers in EU outside UK
what‘s a great deal, i‘m also currently in germany and looking for an used Fern :)) do you have any tips
Now I see there is a dealer (Chairholder) that sells a configured one for only 779 Euros, which is great. Quite cheaper than Embody.
Great review. Owner of a Fern for 1.5y now and although I have some issues with it, I can confidently say your review is on point and shows the main traits of the chair. I will point out 3 things that I would correct (but it's also a bit opinionated): the seat is a bit too firm for me but I do have a harsher seat fabric (felt/wool); the armrests, while being super adjustable and having stupid side range, they won't stay in place as much as I'd like; finally I want to note the lumbar support may not be for everyone despite not being too pronounced, but it CAN be removed (you can look it up on the chair manuals online, it's tricky but possible).
I actually just unscrewed my arm wrests pads and managed to tighten them up. Super happy now, as I found them so easy to bump out of place before I tightened them.
@@ZILLA.... oh cool, I'll have to give this a try, gotta see on the manuals how to safely remove the arm caps/pads
@@cldpt it comes off easily once all the screws are off - if you're fighting it, it means there's still screws left! Mine had 3 I believe. Confusing as there are at least two official fern documents saying there are 2 Or 3 screws..
I'm having such a hard time finding a chair I like with a head rest. But boy do I like that this is finally in a fun colour
"Half the Price" or $924, seems to be the Quick Ship Black (Coal) version, while lumbar is added, no forward tilt and the base is plastic. In US Store, before any promotional discounts, a custom Mesh Fern (only way to get forward tilt on official store), without Lumbar and default color, is $1239. When you configure it with the fabric colors shown in video and lumbar, the price goes up to $1419, closing the gap with the low Embody.
Luckily, forward tilt isn't well implemented, like mentioned in video. So it could of be said, at $924 (plus 10% off now), if you are fine with the quick ship black configurattn, plastic base with no forward tilt, it is a very attractable price, plus shipped fast.
I have the coal (got a dumb good deal for it, otherwise I would get any other model) and will also note that the arms are also plastic .
After using Embody for years, I got this chair on black friday deal for 700 euro.
It absolutely WIPES the floor with Embody, even at its most basic, cheapest configuration (all black, no lumbar, yes forward tilt).
I can't even imagine how comfortable it is with 3D knit fabric backrest and leather seating (not available in EU). What is funny is that loaded, it would prolly still be cheaper than Embody.
Damn 700 euro is an good deal. I am tempted right now as with holiday deal right now it is 830. Seems black Friday was an better deal. Maybe will wait another year ;-) as it seems they do those deals on those occasions.
@@danielradomiak9468 maybe a good idea to wait if you are not in dire need of a comfortable chair. Some dealers say Haworth will soon start selling (but it is not certain) Ferns with the 3D knit backrest feature, and a lot of people are very fond of it. I wish I could try it, but I live in Spain so it is actually more useful to have a more ventilated simple mesh.
the music at the start makes me feel like i'm blasting off into space.
sitting on this chair looks as if it'll make me feel like i'm in space.
sweet.
Ahhhh yessss, the review we've all been waiting for. I'm glad it lived up to the hype. Now I gotta go ham on the customizations they give you for this chair. 😉
Hahaha nice! Don't get the tilt forward. Also, strongly advise against the headrest if you're like above 5'10!!
My uncle worked for Herman Miller for 15+ years, so my brother and I ended up with aerons that had been sitting around not being used. Now 7+ years later after acquiring my aeron, it's just completely worn out and would be too cost prohibitive to repair. Nowadays, my uncle works for Haworth! I just ordered a base model Fern with lumbar adjustment at employee pricing, super stoked to get it and experience all the hype! Thanks for the video, I now have high expectations 🤣
hey how's your experience so far?
@@slvrization love it, soft edge vs the hard edge of the aeron is much more comfortable. The chair in general is much more supportive and I prefer it thus far. No regrets
@@dingusmagee3326thanks for the feedback! which colors did you get?
@@slvrization unfortunately I got the cheapest spec, black on black with cloth and plastic. My understanding is they get better as price rises
@@dingusmagee3326 Are you able to share that employee pricing? lol it would be greatly appreciated
A co-worker of mine had this chair. I was impressed with how comfortable it was. Def a Top 5 chair IMO.
Is it good for sure
I took your advice and purchased this chair, it’s a great chair, very comfortable
Thanks having Yong on. I am not quite as tall as him, but love my Embody for the same reasons. I was able to get mine for $1200 or so a few years back when people weren't all working from home.
Nice!!
A year later, the Fern with lumbar support is closer to the Embody in price. On Amazon today $1,329 - $1,985(headrest)
Yeah I have no idea what they were thinking, I took one look at the price and said may as well get an embody, which I did by getting a deal for $1100. Gotta admit I was tempted by their xbox chair version, but it's just not worth $1500, no chair is.
I've been shoving my old gaming chair's lumbar pillow in the back of my fern whenever i feel my lower back getting tired and it works great!
LOL i guess that's the same concept? Seems like it'd be super aggressive!
@@Ahnestly Definitely more on the aggressive side but surprisingly not bad! Cannot compare with the optional one thought.
FERN UPGRADE - I've got fern and it's silent when you upgrade the noisy wobbling hand rests. Take them out from the chair base sleeves (you need to push from the bottom) and then insert a small plastic (1,5-2mm thick) in between the sleeves and the arm rest inserts to fill the gap. You can also use a duck tape to tighten the inserts because they are from 2 parts so you could take the arm rests out but since they are not tight the whole arm rests are wobbly and noisy. When you duck tape the two parts together the arms rests are then sturdy and make no noise.
If you have lumbar and it starts to make squeaking noises you need to take the fabric down then the front mesh then the lumbar pillow and then you put some vaseline on the metal moving parts of the lumbar. Then you put everything back together and it's like new.
I love my Haworth Fern Chair, hands down the best chair I’ve used.
I tried out this chair for a month! Mine had the extra padding on the backrest and didn't have the lumbar support. Gotta say, I feel like it needs the extra lumbar support. Without it the softness of the backrest didn't provide much support and I felt myself slouching pretty badly before long.
I also tried it alongside the Embody and I preferred the way the Embody sort of slightly hugs your back. The Fern was nice but it felt a little like sitting against a balloon. I also found the recline smoothness lacking compared to the Embody. Definitely an extremely good value for the price though!
Yeah the Embody's back is king, but at half the price, it's pretty damn great!
Less than a year later and price is up to $1,245.00
4/6/2024 not including taxes and shipping, cost for Canada $2,060. Insane
@@RyanVecchi Purchase at a haworth dealer store. Much cheaper. $1,400 for mostly fully loaded
Just got one on marketplace for 200$ crazy find
Now it’s over 2500 USD
It's basically the same price as the Embody. I was wondering why the dude said it was half the price. I'm wondering if Haworth made changes to the Fern to justify the price.
This video is SPOT ON! I'm 6'1" and 165 lbs and went deep into the market, spending hours in stores trying every Steelcase, Herman Miller and Haworth model. Like you said at 4:29 the problem with so many is that you can feel the bottom through the cushion. So I've come down to the same 2: HM Embody and Haworth Fern.
Embody Pros: best seat hands down!
Embody Cons: lumbar is quite firm by design and the armrests go all the way forward to my wrist crease and do not adjust front/back. Higher price.
Fern Pros: thicker cushion than competitors, tall back with the best combo of support and comfort (I found the optional adjustable lumbar option is necessary)
Fern Cons: the seat gap issue is real - would be a deal breaker if my legs were any longer but I seem to be ok 2-3 clicks from the max extension. If you're under 6ft ignore this con.
Glad our thoughts synced!!! Hope you enjoy your chair!!!
I tried the Fern in Digital Knit with the lumbar adjustment after the last Haworth Black Friday sale and it wasn't for me. Here's why.
First, I LOVED the seat. Super comfortable, generously-sized, and well-designed. For this ergonomics rebel, it was easy to bring my feet up without any hard edges digging into me, unlike the Aerons I'm subjected to at work. I could also sit on my knees and have my feet slip right into the gap between the seat and the back. On chairs that have no gap, this isn't possible! This is by far my favorite seat.
The seat back was also great in how it moves with you, and the Digital Knit felt great. The whole chair was really solid and well-designed.
Except, the arms did not work for me. I push down on them to change positions several times per hour and because they don't lock, they will slip on you and cause you to stumble. The other failing was mine: I *really* should have gotten the model with the headrest. Because it's a part of the chair, it can't be added later. I thought the seat would be tall enough to skip it at 5'4", but that is not the case. I tried a neck travel pillow and it's too fiddly for daily use. So, I ended up sitting in other positions more often, which meant I ran into the issue with the arms moving more often. If the arms could lock in place and not be so fiddly, and if I had the headrest, I probably would have kept it. Even more so if the recline could be locked like the gaming chairs. Which by the way, the Secret Lab Titan Evo 2022 was a disaster for me. It was like sitting on stiff boards on the bottom and back; not my idea of comfort. It took me a month to decide if I should return the Fern. I knew I was returning the Evo within an hour.
Keep up the great videos.
The headrest on the Fern is....awful.... :-( :-(
Thank you for reviewing this chair, just confirmed my decision. finally!!!
YES!!!
Love the video, gonna check out the new one with the added headrest next. I'm your height, but it was helpful to bring in your certified tall person for another viewpoint. Very informative video.
Just bought one with the digital knit using your link. The high back closed the deal for me. At 6' 1", I just can't stand when the back's too short to lean on. Thanks for your reviews!
Great review. Most likely wouldn't realize this chair existed without this.
Thanks for the kind words! I wouldn’t have known this existed if it weren’t for the amazing community!
Interesting and looks so much like the embody. If I wasn’t so set on some mesh goodness I’d be considering this.
Damn, this is the truest statement I've ever heard. The struggle is real!!
It's crazy, but like you saying it's a good chair I'm instantly sold. Much respect man! Love your channel and I watch every chair review
Thank you!! Really appreciate it!!!
I tried this chair in the Executive setup fully loaded with the Oceanic Flotsam all black. For reference I currently sit on a Mirra 2 loaded which I love. But of course I could not resist giving the Fern a shot. I actually sent it back a day later. It just does not measure up to a Herman Miller. Now of course my experience is different from someone else's. Also, I am not throwing shade on Dan's review and experience. Just simply sharing mine to someone who is trying to make an informed decision about which chair to get.
Some people love it and some people don't! thats the way the cookie crumbles
Interesting...i actually enjoyed this seat for a year and then found i was struggling with the seat and foam and it just got uncomfortable while sitting for long periods...ended up selling at a massive loss but lessons learned! i traded up to the embody and love it so far ...will be interesting to see how the embody is after a year!
@@kc-me6wl Do you have any updated thoughts on the embody even though it has only been 2 months?
Details would be helpful.
Was looking at the Embody Gaming edition, but the lumbar support (which I'm especially looking for) seemed lackluster compared to the Fern.
Haworth Fern in Europe currently has a 20% discount, and I just pulled the trigger.
I'm 6,2" (188 cm) and weigh around 220 pounds (100 kg).
Your videos have been immensely helpful in finding a new chair. Though I had to spend more than twice than I thought I would lol. Hopefully it's worth it.
8:55 literally the first time I see someone of my size sitting in an Embody. Ordered it last week and I'm now soo relieved that I wont be too tall when it finally arrives 🎉
Nice!!! Keep in mind that headrests from atlas headrest started shipping, so that could be an option if you decide you need more support!!
@@Ahnestly Thanks for the info and for your great reviews :)!
Hope you used my link ;) hahaha if not, all good. But I also hate you.
@@Ahnestly I ordered it in the german HM store 😩
4 years of high school German only to be met with this kind of betrayal….Well, guten tag to you, sir! Hahaha I hope you love it
I've been WAITING for this one ever since I commented on your big blind chair test!
yesssss!!! thanks for checking that one out!
I really wanted to love this chair but I'm in the process of returning mine. I got the executive version with headrest, (fake) leather, and no lumbar, as Haworth wasn't selling the headrest with any other fabric through their store. I like a lot about the chair, but really think that all three of those options might be the wrong choice. The headrest feels a bit cheap and is a little too far forward, so my shoulders can't fit quite right with it on, though it fits my height well enough (6'1", 185lbs). The leather isn't breathable at all and weirdly ripples/bunches when I sit in the chair properly -- not a great fabric for the flexible construction of the chair. I think the mesh or knit would work much better. And I found myself shoving a rolled up towel in the back, because without additional lumbar, the midback just collapses and causes me to slouch. Another small issue is that with broad shoulders, the back's frame does dig right into the center of my shoulder blades sometimes, which is not ideal.
All that said, though, yours is the first review I've seen that really goes into detail on the lumbar feel (most just say "it's aggressive"), and I think I may try to find a dealer with one in mesh with lumbar and see if it resolves my issues, because I genuinely like the recline feel, the back flexibility, the seat, and overall look, and think a breathable version with some support higher up in the back (and maybe without the headrest) might be the way to go.
Or I may end up with a Gesture w/ headrest, since I really *do* want a headrest for lounging...
Thanks for the good review!
That's exactly what I read about the headrest. I was going to mention it, but I might do a follow up discussing the Fern options
One thing to note with the Gesture and it is possible that I was using it wrong but I didn’t find it a great lounging chair. If you recline back, there is a bit of resistance, so you have to put a bit of effort to making it stay reclined versus most other chairs I’ve tried. Armrest of the Gesture is really amazing though
Thanks for the great review on the options and leather. Hopefully they will rectify the fabric options for the headrest at least. Does this allow for the headrest to be added later as I can't see any cut outs/attachment areas on the non headrest version.
Def buy the Embody. You buy it once and use for years being satisfied with it every day. Both chairs are already very expensive at that point
Too true, if you’re spending over 1000 for a chair already, spend it on the best option available
it's almost double tho, not really in the same range.
Thank you for keep your promise!!! Finally Fern has arrivedddddddd!
It seems like this chair is a “jack of all trades, master of none”.
at half the price, I'm good with it. loving this lumbar!!
Picked this chair up in the digital mesh configuration after hours of research. Very happy I didn't go with Herman Miller or Secret Lab. Love the Fern!
love ittt!!
I love my secretlab evo
@@shadowbanned5164 Dang evo lovers are pretty vocal and I love it! Im glad you like it!!
The problem I have with all Haworth chairs being 6’2 is that when you pull the seat pan out to get more support (I have long thighs), it leaves a gap between the seat back. This is a fatal design flaw if you’re taller IMO.
Is 6’ fine?
dude you'll get 50k subs and more. Dont worry. Good luck! great review!
I just bought the fern and have had it for a few weeks now. I tried out the embody several times, but I found rather uncomfortable and the pull out seat seems cheaply made. the extending portion of the seat is not of the same material as the entire seat. I was quite disappointed in the Embody. However, with the fern, I immediately fell in love with it. My only complaint, and some may see this as a big con, is the forward tilt. Since the top of the seat does not tilt forward, the forward tilt option is rather useless. Nevertheless, the Fern, in my opinion, is by far, better than the embody. I am 5'9, about 190 pounds. It hugs my back very nicely!
Different strokes for different folks! Glad you found your chair!!!
honestly this is the most under rated youtube channel , keep it up man
Means a lot! Thank you for the kind words!!!
I am so glad you reviewed this, I bought on Facebook Marketplace for $360 i really really love it. I'm 5'11 280lbs male for reference, only thing i dislike is the fabric choice for the backrest.
nice!! also what don't you like about the fabric?
Sorry for late reply. What I hate is the mesh fabric. If my shirt lifts or if my skin touches the mesh directly it just feels like it’s rough on my skin. But I’m in touch with someone from local dealer and I’m ordering a different material
thanks for the video just picked up a fern xbox edition for 600 bucks on ebay
I've had mine for about four months now. Coming from an Aeron remastered I am much happier towards the end of the work day in the Fern. The Aeron was simply too strict in the lumbar area and did not allow much variation in position. I did not order my Fern with the built in lumbar cushion because I was worried about being locked in with too much support again. I did however place a 2" thick rectangle of latex cushioning in the lumbar area gap of the chair, which works wonderfully for me. The one improvement I would really like to see is the recline stop steps much closer together. Even one click back is too far back for me to type so I just leave it locked fully upright all the time.
So interesting. Why not leave it at the first tick but get it super tight? I just tightened mine and had to loosen it since I like to sit back just a hair!
@@Ahnestly I do that sometimes too, but fully tensioned is even more upright than the first locked position. What I am looking for is something between the first and second locked position. I can sort of accomplish that by setting the lock one click back and setting the tension just right to allow it to stop between 1 and 2. The issue is that depth of recline will change if my feet are tucked under the chair, flat neutral, or extended in front of me.
I've gotten quite comfortable at the first locked position at this point and don't find myself fiddling with it much any more. I crave upper back support and LOVE that this backrest curves back inward up top and supports my entire back to the top of my shoulders.
My fern digital knit is coming this Wednesday, cant wait to try it out
What you think!?!?!?!
@@Ahnestly ngl got scared on the first sit because the seat is very firm and small vs my old chair. But after a couple days I love it. Still very expensive in Canada (1700 CAD) SO I'm going to be very picky the next few weeks
I love your reviews thank you so much! I was dreading having to spend 1100 on an embody but this ticks off all the same boxes except that amazing exoskeleton design. But me and my wallet Are just gonna have to go with the amazing fern. Your reviews have been so very helpful i truly appreciate you
Wait where can you get an embody that cheap??
I'd love to see you bring the ladies in to try the Fern....or some short guys. I am 5' 4 and it looks like this would ALMOST support my head without the headrest!
I'm looking at a high end ergo chair, and it's between this and the Herman Miller Embody.
Both are great! Let me know which you decide on and please consider using my links! Helps my channel a LOT!
The video quality in this video is sooo good
Thanks for noticing!!! I really worked my ass off on this one!!
Need to find a way to sneak into Dan's office and "exchange" the Mavix M7 I took from him with either the Embody or Fern... #letyongstealdansembodyorfern 😂
LOL thanks again for doing this, brother!
Contessa/okamura is the only high end chair with an actual tilt recline lock. Very comfortable and much better than the steel case forward sliding seat.
The problem with the rubber grid system on the back is that a wave can form that presses against your back which doesn't feel very nice. Then you have to press your back starting from the lumbar region evenly against the back of the chair so the wave in the grid doesn't form.
Hi @ahnestly - is this still your favorite chair? How would you rate the seat cushion in terms of breathability? I'm currently also looking at the Steelcase Karman because I need something more breathable for not only the back, but for the bottom. Appreciate all the reviews!
Hey! The seat is going to be as breathable as any cloth chair - not the best, but not the worst either. Compared to Karman, it’ll be night and day. Can’t compete with the Karman in terms of breathability.
If you decide to pick up, please consider using my links! Helps the channel a LOT!
Glad to see the Fern finally getting the love it deserves! My only issues were the rocky arms and feeling the back of the seat when pulling it out.
Try the Digital Knit version
We'll see if I can get my hands on one!
The digital knit is nice
Best review ! Everyone else is missing so many parts and you nailed it ! Thanks 🙏
Don't tell me that!!! I have just bought a Steelcase gesture! (But I'm happy with mine :))
Hahaha as long as your back is happy, all that matters!!
I absolutely love the look of the Fern, and it's been on my short list for a "real chair" investment to replace my budget seats (Mellet and an old SitOnIt Torsa). Thanks for this review man, I've come to trust your reviews above all others!
Nice nice!! I'm glad and man...I'm using it as my daily driver now to continue testing it!
@@Ahnestly I went ahead and made the purchase. Think it ticks all the right marks for me after all. Wifey bought an Embody at the same time soooo, here's to seeing which we like best!
@@svanir7619 which is better?
@@Jujudesigner in my opinion, the Fern is the better chair. More adjustability, and a more comfortable back. The Embody is still a fine chair, though.
@@svanir7619 wow, that's quite impressive. It's half the price too. Thanks for the update!
Ahn Please answer which desk chair has the softest, cushiest, plushest seat? I can’t do a hard seat. Haven’t heard you say which is the most softest/comfiest. No firm chairs pls🤍
Watch the video coming out tomorrow. Softest seat. If you need something sooner, check out my review of the steelcase Amia (currently 25% off with my stackable code). Excellent seat, plush yet supportive! And if you decide to pick up, please consider using my link. It helps the channel a LOT!
Awesome video! I'm glad I watched it before buying into herman miller because I'm probably gonna go with the fern! cheers, and thank you
At first I thought the back is way more flexible, because it reminded me of my "Interstuhl Pure" chair, which I love for its flexible back. Nevertheless it looks like a great chair.
The Pure hurt my back so much, due to its thin backrest. Such a shame, because I think it is the best seat I have ever sit on.
@@t.h.9897 Oh that's too bad. For me it works great. I switched to a Aeron for some weeks and after I switched back I really thought wow I broke free and can move again. The Aeron is way too static for me, which forced me into one position. Of course that's preference but I really like active chairs that also have a backrest, that you'll need for long sitting. Most active chairs without backrest are too intense for the back on long sitting periods. Maybe the Embody would be my preference because the backrest is also a little flexible, but these are rare to get cheaper as second hand.
You have to try out the digital knit configuration version of the Fern, it's probably better than the Gesture and Embody.
I have one! I like it a lot! I use it in my home office bc my wife stole my Embody lol
kinda wish i saw this chair before i bought the steelcase gesture. its cheaper and looks alot more comfortable and ergonomic
The Gesture is pretty darn ergonomic! They definitely both have their ups and downs!
I got an impeccable condition leap V2 factory authorized return on black Friday from Crandall's for $800 (including tax and shipping). It has headrest and no arms (my preference) and fabric ( would prefer leather) for seating and back. It seems like a great deal. My only issue with it is the headrest sucks. I can still return it, but with current prices I'd be paying $900 MORE for a new fern with their additions for $1700. I would eventually add the atlas headrest which will bring that price up even more. Just not sure if it's worth it at these prices. If both were similar in price I'd go for the Fern, but I'd be paying over double
I love the certified tall guy was called the certified tall guy
Lol thank you for getting my humor!!
I'm watching this the day after I got the Embody from the shop. Nice.
I'm now quoting a Fern chair here, seems they have 3 sizes if you try to customize took they have. I decided to pick the Fern over the Embody for
1- Price. Fully loaded Fern chair is like ~$1200 including taxes and shipment while the embody ~ $1900
2- Quiet. I looked the review of the embody and noticed there is some cracks (or something like that) from the back because of the design.
If price neither how quiet the chair is, then both chairs are great.
I assume you mean creaking instead of crack? If it’s creaking, I don’t notice it on the newer Embody. Mine is quiet
Bought my Quick Ship Coal Fern during their black Friday sale. FedEx ended up losing the chair so Haworth sent out another one and gave an extra 10% off. For just over $700 shipped I think its a great value when compared to the Embody and Gesture.
Damn. It looks like the prices have absolutely skyrocketed since then.
black friday sale has them for $1,300 rn... oof
thanks joe biden
Honestly, you couldn't ask for a better review! And your videos are class. Thank you!
I mean to say Ahnestly...
@@bmtenoch8230 HAHA I was going to say you spelled ahnestly wrong, but you redeemed yourself. In all seriousness, thank you so much. Comments like this really make my day and encourage me to keep doing what I'm doing. Really hope it helped and if you decide to pick up anything, please consider using my links! Helps the channel a LOT!
congrats on the new space!!!!
Thanks man!! Now I just need a new body...lolol
@@Ahnestly LOL new body = new chair, vicious cycle haha
Hey Dan, any chance you could give more detail (or RUclips Short maybe?) about the plastic back "grid" material? I used to have a Herman Miller Mirra (tried both with and without the butterfly mesh fabric) and on both I found I could feel the hard ridges of the plastic on my back when leaning into the chair.
The grid is totally rubber and you can see how bendy it is. Not at all like the mirra, where the rubber IS the frame. If you get the non lumbar version, I believe you get a more padded back, and not some stiff rubber frame!
@@Ahnestly Thanks for the reply! I think I would prefer to have the lumbar adjustment. Unfortunately I've just seen the chair doesn't seem to be available in the UK/Europe with the lumbar option. Also the UK price on their site is £1100 ($1450)!
Is it possible to have a detailed comparison with Embody? It is interesting to see how they are different and to know your suggestions on how to choose between them.
Maybe a little in the future! I have a lot of videos pending!!!
I can literally agree with everything you said.. that being said I still have back pain in the fern. Aeron embody leap think and now fern have all caused me back pain. I think I’ll try some cheap chairs now 😂
Lol I hope you find a cheap one you like! Better for your wallet!
I feel you buddy. I'm on my 3rd "high end" chair now and none of them help with my particular back pain. I always still need to use an extra makeshift lumbar support such as a tolled up towel, pillow, etc. And at that point, it's like...what is the chair even doing lol. I could do the same thing to a wooden chair lol.
Long shot, but could it be due to posture while sitting or you didn’t give your back enough time to adjust to the chairs? I know with my Embody, my back did hurt a little bit at the beginning and now I think it’s great
Go see a doctor or start stretching and exercising! No chair will fix your back issues
@@SethKnows normally I’d agree but I never had issues before trying high end chairs.
Review Haworth Zody
It's a real possibility!
SHEESH!!! MAN I GOTTA GET THIS CHAIR! Especially since I work from home....
I liked the seat during the 30 day return timeframe. After about 2 months, the foam in the seat is bottoming out and I'm able to feel what ever is below the foam and I'm not even 200lbs. I'm guessing that's not covered under the warranty.
Really? Guess embody is the way to go.
Damn this chair does look really good! But have you considered looking at Okamuras line of chairs ?
I have heard a lot of good stuff from them but not many reviewers have reviewed their products but their chairs look as premium as Herman Miller and steelcases
One of their models, most of their have the unique armrest feature that operates the recline and the seat like Neue but with more features.
The one that caught my eye from the Okamura is the Contessa and the Finora, would love to see a video about these chairs.
I reached out but they never got back to me!
Would love to see a review of the California chairs sausalito. Not sure if it's good, but mostly because no one really talks about it
It looks nice. Ordering one now :)
Nice pick, I've been rocking one for a few weeks now. I went with the digital knit w/ wool seat and love it. May end up removing the lumbar support though.
Nice nice! I love the lumbar...like LOVE it
For a second I thought William Hung showed up😂😂😂
this is one of the chairs I would consider, but looking at other reviews I've seen the headrest is not that good. That's my pet peeve with these office chairs: why good chairs with good headrests are so rare? why the back is often short (ok, this is not that short)? I want a chair where I can work and when I want to watch a movie I can recline and put my head on a good headrest.
Yeah headrest isn’t great but check out my embody vs fern video! You’ll see some cool stuff regarding headrests!
Thank you for this. Looks like a great alternative to the much pricier Herman Miller Embody. Now to get my hands on one in Canada here....seems a bit difficult as I can't just order through the site and have to go through a dealer.
Informative review. Would be great if you can also try out the Fern with headrest option, which is what I'm thinking of getting.
I think the shipping period on that was ridiculously long, so I requested a non headrest version instead!
Unfortunately, the competitive pricing is gone. This chair now exceeds the cost of the Aeron, Leap, and the Embody. The cheapest possible version (no arms, plastic base, mesh, etc) is $1,579.68. At that price, you'd need a ~37% discount to approach that $1,000 mark.
Hey, are you in the USA? If so, I'm seeing a fully loaded plastic base model for $1,155?
haworth.pxf.io/AoJJED
If you remove the lumbar and forward tilt, it's $1,015
I had a fern and I didn’t like the cushion seat or the hard edges, went back to aeron. I do like the colour of this particular one ☝️
hard edges? where at?
Not a lot of Fern videos out there. Which would you recommend for long gaming sessions, Fern or Sayl? Awesome vids btw!
Thank you!!! I personally like the Fern better. I'm sitting on a Sayl right now at home and the seat is awesome, but I need some more targeted lumbar support like that on the Fern! Let me know which you decide on (please consider using my Amazon link if you decide to purchase - helps the channel a LOT!)
@@Ahnestly Thats so funny haha ok sounds good! Thank you!
Hey, love your videos. I would like to know your opinion on the autonomous ErgoChair Pro. Are you planing to do a video about it?
I have to follow up with Autonomous. They said they'd send it, but then the convo died. I have SO many videos in my backlog, so it would be a while before I could get to it!
Mind reviewing the Martiangear Starfighter or Starship? It seems like they started shipping Internationally recently.
Still looking forward to the US release of Ergotune! 🤞
I was in talks with Martiangear for a bit...i'll try andfollow up
@@Ahnestly I appreciate it :)
Hey bro ! Thanks for the review ! With your recent review on the Steelcase Amia, do you have any preference ? I know you have Top 3 with the Embody but wanted to see what you would pick as 1st now. Keep up the good work !
still trying to decide between this and the embody -- see way more embodies on used markets
Oof tough decision…you know me…gonna say embody every time!
just ordered one, thanks for the video
Noice!!!
Subbed for the great videos. Torn between this and an Embody. Will probably go with whichever I can find second hand first haha
Thank you for the sub!!! Best of luck! I have never seen a Fern second hand and Embodies are very rare!!
If you haven’t already reviewed it (and I just missed it) can you review the Haworth Fern Digital Knit?
I do own one! I think they're both great! I kinda prefer my non knit version for a little more breathability, but the extra padding is quite nice!