Pyramid Head as Superego/Shadow - This is the problem with psychoanalytic concepts, particularly with Freudian ones: they describe only one part of a greater truth... and even then, what that truth is remains debatable. For myself, I'd say the greater truth is Jungian: that the Freudian id is one part of a person's unconscious. Pyramid Head shares the same multiplicity of purpose that the personal unconscious does. Though he takes the form of the "Id" part of the unconscious, his function isn't simply to be libidinous force of nature. He seems to have a purpose. Is he the superego? I suppose it depends on whichever way you look at it. Like Heather said, and Vincent alluded to in Silent Hill 3, God can be the devil or vice-versa. You would think that the superego would take the form of an angel, like I explained in the video. But what does an angel actually look like? Another character from Silent Hill that Pyramid Head is related to, Valtiel, is described as an angel. He looks decrepit like Pyramid Head too. Is he the shadow? Is he actually trying to help James? Again, it's hard to say for certain. He seems to be helping James towards his goal as much as he is trying to kill him. This is the problem with integrating unconscious contents into consciousness. Sometimes it's the most important thing that needs to be done, and sometimes it will kill you. Trying to be objective about something as subjective as the unconscious mind, or its personifications (like Pyramid Head) is impossible. Given the evidence, I would say that Pyramid Head's aesthetic and behavior is definitely id-like, but will have the side-effect of a superego/shadow... in that it will shock those who witness Pyramid Head's behavior towards the good. That's the best I can do for now.
Hey max, would it be possible for you to do a follow up video featuring the super ego as the shadow? The concept of the super ego becoming the shadow should ring allot of bells for people who have played many of these types of games.
In the works of Freud, the unconscious is not a place but a quality. So you can't say the ID is part of the unconscious. You can say a wish is unconscious, that means you have a wish (drive, trieb) but you're not aware of it. You wish to kill but you don't know you wish to kill, so you write crime novels, or play violent games, or work as a butcher, or become a cop or a soldier, or turn suicidal, or a sadist. You do any of these without knowing the origin of it, which is the unconscious drive. Freudian symbolism implies a figure can be reservoir of many meanings. So Pyramid Head symbolizes not only one thing, but many things. PH is not the superego or de id, PH is a symbols that sometimes represents the superego (guidance, guilt and punishment), and sometimes represents the id (James's sexual drives).
@@vagabundorkchaosmagick-use2898 I agree and Im glad you put it into words so well. I think cases where its harder to see exactly whats going on because a symbol can be correctly interpreted in several ways make for good examples of how the unconscious can unintentionally mislead us
Well the superego and id are connected to put pressure over the ego. The demonic superego intends to sit in the throne of self in order to sacrifice the individual. Give in to the death impulse and direct life back towards the primordial inorganic state. Both id and superego tend to control us, repress us and ultimately makes us ill to a point in certain cases to psychosis. Makes sense!
Max, as someone who never touched a book or read an article on the subject, I gotta say your videos inspired me to enjoy psychology. It's amazing how deep these stories go and how amazing Jung's, Freud's and many others' approaches are. Thank you for this! keep 'em up!
Once you read one of these subjects, it's down the rabbit holes for you. It happens to me years ago, read almost Freud and Jung papers and books, all their assimilate works like archetypes, folk tale, and stuff (even the obscure ones like Eliphas Levi, Horoscope, Tarot and shit like that), then beginning to compare everything you comprehend or understand with psychoanalysis approach. Man, what a fun ride.
Loving all the game content you have been making. It’s really great to look back from a completely new perspective, at games from the past. It gives them new life and rekindled some of the wonder and thoughts about them. Keep it up, and remember that your mental health and happiness is the most important. Appreciate all you do.
As someone who studied psychology and now is a practicing therapist, i really enjoyed this video and seeing the correlations between Freuds work to video games. Well done.
Max, have you read "When Nietzsche Wept" by Irvin Yalom? You would have a nerdgasm. It's a historical fiction written by one of the most famous psychotherapists of today about the relationship between Freud, Nietzsche, and Breuer
Oh I remember the film! Can't read the book, watch the movie, it's pretty good. Author is Irvin Yalom, I still have his textbooks somewhere around my house...
As for the Id, Ego, and Super ego, I think GTA 5 is a great example of this. Michael is the Super Ego, trying to be good but failing. Trevor is the ID, impulsive and uncontrollable, doing whatever his heart desires. Franklin is the ego, trying to mediate between the two.
Freud got tons of things right, he’s just read poorly by most, was thrown under the bus by psychology, and it took other styles of science a long time to catch up where they could to provide a more objective accounting for what Freud described. Neuroscience has shown many of his ideas to be well ahead of their time, and as much as the therapy profession doesn’t like to publicize it, even many of his more uncomfortable ideas are unignorable in practice, like ideas on transference and the internal conflicts now referred to as psychodynamics.
I have no expertise in this subject, nor do I really understand some of the terms that you are using, but with Freud, I suspect that there was a bit of a Sammelweis Reflex on part of his contemporaries, as well as a post-modern disregard about him today, typically amongst ignorant bombasts such as myself.
@@nickcurrant2254 Well, he became famous when he presented his work about infantile sexuality. People were not simply ready to acknowledge little children have an active sexual life, albeit not one like adults have. This was enough to send him to academy hell.
The 3 highest selling Unconventional Love Stories are: Family Relationships, Supernatural Monsters (Vampires, Warewolves, Aliens etc) & Savior Complexes. (1nc3st, M0nst3rs & H3r03s) Makes you wonder about what humanity thinks is attractive. (Personally, the mind is more attractive then external physical qualities. But I do think Tomboys & Muscle Girls are really... cool?)
There was a race of doctors badly trying to justify its use by finding a practical application, and one of very few that actually worked, passed by Freud: other doc Carl Koller found its use as local anesthetic for eye surgery. Sigmund was MAD!
I didn't realize just how much projecting Freud did. He would have had a field day with social media. All the same I can see and appreciate much of the work he did and laid the groundwork for particularly in symbolism and our emotional attachment to it. Even if we don't all want to *bleep* our family members.
He laid the groundwork for psychology, as a thing... you wouldn't have it without Freud. Not in a modern sense, pre-Freud psychology is like pre-Mercedes Benz cars. Not what you would have describe as one now.
Hey Max, you should give a shot to an anime called Id Invaded. You will probably find it interesting, as the title suggested. Your contents are some of the most interesting in the platform right now. You introduce me to some of the psichological complex concept of Jung. And english is not my first lenguage and I learn a lot listening to you. Thanks bud, you're really the best.
Freud was so wrong about the Oedipus Complex that he didn't even name it right. Oedipus did not lust after his mother or desire his father's death. He did not know his parents at all, and it was coincidence (or the will of the gods I guess) that he crossed paths and got involved with them. The worst thing he knowingly did was have a cougar fetish. Well, that or being guilty of the world's first documented case of murderous road rage. Freud's own incestuous fantasies were so strong that he projected them onto a myth that doesn't support them. Oedipus Rex is really about the sins of the father, and the capriciousness of life (which the Greeks attributed to their gods). Id, ego, and superego make a decent framework for the *explanation* of human behaviors, which is why they make for good narratives. But they really aren't useful to modern psychological treatments, which suggest they are not true in any meaningful way. It's just like how really good fantasy worlds can be described in terms of the four elements (Avatar's earth, wind, fire, and flame.) Narratively they are elegant and convincing. But that doesn't make them true! Freud founded psychotherapy, and popularized psychology. His lasting impact was to create interest in psychology, and that was a good thing. But his specific ideas, as he specifically articulated them, are no longer credible in psychological treatments. That's a good thing too, because it means the science of psychology continues to be advanced. Just stop representing his specific theories as credible. Anything he developed that still holds relevance has been significantly modified, and the people who did that advancement deserve as much if not more credit than he does.
@@dasuero7489 Source? He made that shit up. Lmao Jokes aside, if you study psychology even surface level, this is right. Science are developed by correcting past theories with evidence and making next theory and shit keeps looping until the truth comes up. Undeniable truth, then we began to develop shit from that truth. But, human are so complex yet predictable in such ways that the truth hardly accepted or even challenged with equally convincing truth.
What Max meant to say was the theories were credible in that there is utility for Freud’s and Jung’s theory in video games to facilitate and imagine a story. It gave that use for pop culture and cinema, but not irl. Campbell’s Hero’s Journey cycle and all that
@@dasuero7489 yes, that's why we are all gather here. Who cares about what's right or wrong scientifically? We're here for Freudian and Jungian Psychoanalysis on video games. And this shit was entertaining yet educational. I love Jungian Psychoanalysis so much I read all of his books and papers, did it scientifically true? Don't care, all I want to is learning what this dude said years ago and finding what his psychoanalysis is all about.
Perhaps bold to request since I am not a patreon supporter, but I would like to see in the future your analysis or take on the 2016 anime "Flip Flappers". Its usage and utilization of Freudian and Jungian psychology in the worldsetting, characterizations through archetypes and concept through "mahou shojo" is very intriguing in addressing coming-of-age & female psychology (quite literal in one episode of the animus (Pure Breaker)). It's a big ask, and although not rewarding to sit through halfway the series (it picks up around episode 7 in momentum), I think it pays off more on repeat viewing with a lens atuned to whats below the glitzy surface text. I'd wish it'd had 24 episodes to fully expand on the ideas, but for a 12 episode run, I don't regret it at all existing. A rare unpolished gem to come out post-Madoka.
I love your videos that go into psychology. Video games have also had a huge impact on me as a person, so it's nice to see others analyzing their significance as art. That stuff you said about Sephiroth was especially interesting to me. I wonder if there's some connection between the kabbalah tree of the sephirot and the more existential take on the Oedipus complex you laid out as they relate to Sephiroth's character.
Max, amazing content and analysis, as a psychologist, musician, gamer and human being im truly thankful for your work. There is tons of books, video games, music and information and your videos that I would love yo check it out. For example, because of your análisis in the shadow. I’m reading the heart of darkness and already played spec ops the line. Truly amazing. Also I’m gonna say thanks for helping people in promoting mental health. You have already helped me too. This is my first comment in RUclips ever. And I will check it out all your videos. Keep doing an excellent work. You are way ahead in knowledge.
@Max Derrat "When is a dream not a dream. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. The trick is knowing when the cigar is no longer a cigar." Words Freud said in the last years of his life, and in a way, I think his way of admitting he was wrong on things and a fool for letting ego and pride blind him. I would say all should stop at times to self-assess, and see if what we are doing defending is for reasons valid, or reasons for self-gratification. To see if we are smoking the cigar, or if the cigar is smoking us.
You're over-elaborating. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar has no special meaning. He was asked about HIS love for cigars and answered, well, just that. It wasn't a hidden penis is all.
Greetings Max. I recently found out about your channel and I really love your content and the socio-psychological depth you give to the games that try to show and portrait our modern society. I recently finished playing Max Payne 3 and really loved the cynical jaded nihilism of Max in the noir modern Brazilian setting. And when I finished it, it really got me wondering what your take on the exploration of the Max Payne universe would be.
16:40 as someone who roams r/fear and hunger on reddit i can confirm this is so true, they simp the crow mauler to no end (crow mauler is basicaly pyramid head but with a crow head and a maul instead of sword)
He influenced others to develop new ways to view life and how we experience it. I doubt if he wanted the adoration which developed. I found analysis helped to a point but prevented processing early developmental trauma. Gestalt type therapy helped me to feel present and eventually feel safe to feel my emotions frim childhoid memories, including punushment for my autism. One pupil of his was Victor Frankel, who influenced my view of mankind's motive for life, which he believed is to have meaning in life rather than a sexual motive as Freud said, or power, as Adler proposed.
I appreciate everything you put together for us Max, I eat it all up. You've helped me better understand so much while I take college courses. In a way you've really helped me discover my passion💕 thank you, this was helpful and interesting as always. Ps. Anyone turned on by pyramid head is.... Disturbed to say the least lol. That was news to me and literally recoiled... Now I have a research paper 🤔😂☠️
There is a theory or rather an hypothesis (By both reinstall paul and Max, when they played Silent Hill 2 together on a stream) that women are attracted to pyramid head as some women are attracted to the character of 50 shades of grey. It seems the idea of being dominated/controlled is of sexual appeal to some women, also known as the "bad boy". Now what is not an hypothesis and is being seeing on academic papers is that usually, women that are still young (like teenagers and young adults) but mostly because of lack of maturation have this love lets say, for this kind of characters. Usually, a mature women wants an integrated man, that person who have the power or the attitude or the character of being distant or even harmful, but decides to "sheathe" that part (integration of the shadow), and also being a father who is constantly being a provider of the house and at the same time attends their own children. So pretty much a well rounded human being, integrating all of what he is. I'm not exactly sure what is it that we want in a woman though, I have my specificities, usually when a man is young you just want to bang whatever you see, then whoever notices you, but then we mature more into searching for a woman who is both strong and motherly. Trivia, this is the sexual fantasy for the majority of women that took some internet questionnaire, maybe you can google it (not in any particular order): a) Werewolf. b) Vampire Aristocrat. c) Surgeon. d) Billionaire. e) Pirate.
@@AnotherFancyUser I agree that I can see the sexual aspect being tied to domination/bondage/grape but it freaks me out how someone could put that on pyramid head... Unless they literally wanted to die during/after the act. It's disturbing to say the least...I get the bad boy thing for young/immature but Pyramid head is not a bad boy 😅☠️ it's frightening honestly Ps If I had to guess, I'd say B, D for majority? Fits the all around need and fantasy lol?
@@kauaichan I guess, there are different fantasies for different people. I knew women who broke all the stereotypes (wanted to being with someone younger, wanted to be with guys with less muscle, or chubby, wanted to dominate or be dominated, etc, I have been completely advanced too, which breaks that stereotype of the guy having to advance). I guess the take is, be who you are so that when you meet that someone someone you can say that at least you have a lot of thing in common (another paper that suggests that people that are super different in tastes but also in personality tend to dissolve fast), but then again... what are we? are we tied to some sort of biological tyranny (which I see as biological determinism, among other things) or we have a spark of freedom? some sort of free will? I guess this is like The matrix 2, the problem is choice, but then again... "this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it."
I would love to see a deep dive video on amnesia the dark descent, just replayed it for the first time in years and never fully realized how deep the game is
I would say Freud's tying of so many things back to sex is highly correct when it comes to humans. Look at our society right now, Almost every major social issue that is being fought over is about sex. The after effects of sex, how to have as much as you can with no consequences, what you call your role in it, how to ridicule someone who doesn't, how to use it to sell products (*always* a corporate go to).
Indeed, it is one of primal drives for people. Even major human rights movement have sexual component to them, LGBT rights is obvious, but even race rights started with mixed marriage, and I bet initial drive to stop institutionalized racism and other discrimination was pushed through because no matter how much racism you are taught from childhood, finding the people you were taught to hate, hot, overwrites the preconceptions.
"During 1913, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Leon Trotsky, Josip Broz Tito and Sigmund Freud all stayed in Vienna at the same time, only several kilometers away from each other." Just as curiosity. Also, an artist and occultist called Austin Osman Spare wrote a book called The Book of Pleasure and he was a personal friend of Freud, and Freud did read his work that is basically the Id, Ego and Superego theory. Spare's book was published in 1913 a few years before Freud publish his own theory.
Also let's mention that Freud was a materialist and he hated metaphysics, you are risking confusing Psychoanalysis with magical thought, which it is not.
@@lohankarachay476 It's exactly the opposite, not a religion but a methodology. But as the video mentions, most people are ignorant of what psychoanalysis actually is.
@@WarDogMadness Stalin and Hitler bullying Freud. Trotsky arrives "Yo! Freud! Why don't you call Joe to help you?" Freud "Who's Joe?" Stalin, Hitler and Trotsky in unison "Joe Mama!" **Keeps punching Freud**
I never thought of Pyramid Head that way, but then again I never saw Sephiroth that way and he's very "popular" too. However, now that you mention it I get what you are saying. Especially when you see stuff like concept art instead of the original PS2 models.
13:30 I would't be so sure that Sephiroth knew Hojo was his father. Hojo himself even said that Sephiroth never knew. Now, it might be possible that Sephiroth may have found out about Hojo through the research materials in the Shinra Mansion basement lab, but it would only state that Hojo was the one responsible for injecting Jenova's Cells into her during her pregnancy, but may not actually know that he's also his biological father.
Given the popular perception of the guy I've got to assume it's a Freud thing, but in the game Dark Seed 2 there's parts where the main character is seeing a therapist or psychologist that sometimes uses hypnosis and in the background there's a prominently displayed poster that has a cigar on it.
Frued’s response to everything is sex 😂 😂 😂 I don’t much of Frued’s work as I do know more of Carl Jung (expect the incest theory) who makes more sense than Frued I don’t deny Frued’s theories and studies did pave the way to psychoanalysis as it is today.
Check out "Cry of Fear" or if you can spend weeks reading wiki lores... the "Fate" series along with "Kara no Kyoukai/ Garden of Sinners, and Tsukihime." You can ignore the individual stories, but the overall lore draws heavily on Jungian theories.
The most classic example of Freud in video games will always be Sonic Adventure 2 "You thought you could trick me with that fake emerald, didn't you?" "How did you know it wasn't the real one?" "Because you just told me, fox boy!"
for a game that uses the concepts talked about in this video I'd like to recommend Lobotomy corp and library of ruina for using these things as central parts of the games. the monsters in the games referred as Abnormalities are basically Representations of things found commonly within the Ids people within society as these Abnormalities are pulled directly out of the collective consciousness, by working on and managing(or beating in Library of ruina's case) these Abnormalities you can extract/use Powerful equipment called E.G.O, basically putting a gameplay representation of properly incorporating ones Id you literally become stronger for it(one could also relate this to taking on a Jungian Archetype aswell) and in Library of ruina there's a similar yet somewhat different thing where a person can develop they're own E.G.O equipment from themselves this only happens when someone is put through a unimaginable amount of emotional distress that reveals to themselves their own flaws/Id and manages to keep themselves together and find reinforced purpose within themselves, however if through this emotional distress if they snap and completely given into their baser desire they would be become distortion and monster very liken to a Abnormality which is a physical manifestation of their Id lashing out and attending to fulfill whatever desire the person had through often supernatural and violent means.
Hi max, great vid once again! Was also wandering i you have seen the movie 'come true', it seems to be right up your alle with jungian horror psycholigy etc. Would definitly recomend a watch if not a video analysis about it 😁. Anyway love you and have a good one
You missed the biggest reference to id in gaming. The most legendary game development studio of all time, id software. Creators of Doom, Quake, Commander Keen and Wolf 3D, and countless game engines... Easy to see Freudian reference when it's always lowercase! I want to add my 2 cents that your explanation of id, ego and super-ego, are overly-simplistic. Especially the Homer pic, looks like Super-ego is a GOOD thing, and id is a bad one, which isn't how it works... id is easier to explain, that's your (often unconscious) desires and impulses. It's required unless you want to be a persistent stick-in-the-mud. Super-ego is the collective judging compass inside your head, it might be very malevolent, and manifest as the constantly-critiquing voice. It's not your personal conscience (which would be a part of ego), but subconscious combined cultural convolution of taboos and criticisms. Super-ego is more akin to an ever-present drill sergeant or an angry disciplinarian on your shoulder, while the id is your buddy wanting to sneak out and play. Ego is just your self... but even that can be divided into ego-states, Eric Berne's transactional analysis splits ego into parent, adult and child, which is also threepartial model, however, it's conscious: for example, a home owners association berating some poor sod is playing a "parents committee" game. If someone raises a rational voice, stemming from "adult" ego-state, he will fall on deaf ears due to crossed transactions ("adults" transact with each-other while "child" has transactions with "parent"). Each person might jump between ego-states in the same conversations, when they cross (on a scheme), unsolvable conflicts emerge: If someone throws a tantrum, in a misbehaving child ego-state, you can't argue to them with rational points like an adult, you need to take the role of a caring parent. If someone is being a tyrant (parent) you can't reason with them (adult), but you can protest (child). And when people are drinking with buddies or playing computer games they're in the child state... and wife/mom/bartender showing you the clock as a rational adult or explaining that it's time to go doesn't really play along... but if they threaten to ground or throw you out, like a punishing parent, it will do. Yeah, it would be nice for someone who read Games People Play and familiar with Transactional Analysis to put that into videogames. A lot of culty and faction behavior is explained in Berne's later work, What Do You Say After You Say Hello? It plays with tribalism and how hard it is to avoid your in-group's scenario, which consists of the number of games everyone agrees to participate in (and if you don't, you get shunned). For example, a group of old ladies berating the youth might not accept a grandma who's happy for kids because she doesn't play their game atm. But I digress. If we want to focus on videogames... well, Pyramid head, apart from being obviously as phallic as it gets, was made up by James psyche as the punisher, so in a way, he's more super-ego than id... His id is very obviously represented by Maria. "Mai waifu but less repressed".. Same game also deals with other characters psychiatry: Eddie was bullied, and killed the bully's dog. Laura was raped and killed her father. The game is about murderers dealing with their conscience AND the trauma that led to them snapping... in a town that makes all of your nightmares come true to life.
Hello Max, excellent videos I truely enjoy the content and you do good work.. I have a suggestion for a video, this been the Master from the fallout universe.. i think you will find his actions and philosophy, very intresting.
The suicidal behaviours that James demonstrates throughout the game (examining the knife, the toilet scene, jumping into holes, not healing after taking damage, etc.) can also be explained with the Freudian concept of mortido (death drive).
Ah yes, a very clear motif from Beyond the Pleasure Principle in Silent Hill 2, Maria is his drive for Eros, and Pyramid head symbolizing Thanatos... and well, the obvious projection of himself on PH when the latter tinkles with mannequins.
I found this channel recently, and i must say this is all fascinating and a feast for the mind. You reccomend several books in this video and others. is there one in particular you would point out to start with?
We all stand on the shoulders of giants to reach greater heights. Even in death, nameless & forgotten, you are aided by the legions you will inevitably join. We will overcome our failures together, one day, or share the same grave.
Oedipal complex is just an instance of fathers missing the ques of their child development and don't channelling children strengths onto someone their age. What's to the death drive - Freud chainsmoked his throat "I'm on a highway to hell".
Max, have you ever played Persona 4? I often jokingly call it Jungcore. You enter a netherworld and encounter people's neuroses as bosses. Persona itself is full of interesting symbolism. Check it out if you haven't.
Hey Max, i was looking you channel up tryind to find a video about Lisa The Painful but i did't find it, did you never played that game? If not please play it, is incredible.
Not psychology; psychology is much older. Psychoanalysis, which is not psychology but a methodology to "cure" psychological disorders without using drugs or trepanation.
@@vagabundorkchaosmagick-use2898 he is called grandfather of psychology, and the modern field of psychology the way we use the term, didn't exist before Sigmund Freud. Like we call Ibn al-Haytham father of scientific method despite science existing before him, it's just the principles that define the scientific method _as we know it today_ were started by Ibn al-Haytham. Much like psychology in the _modern sense of the word,_ started with Freud and pals.
HOW THE HELL did you not mention Alice madness returns the therapist in the asylum was Freud. Freud believed child sexual abuse was just an active imagination. The story of Alice had the worst aspects of Freud's ideology and was interesting interpretation. Even dreams showing what a person really wants in the game as well with Alice's mind creating a wonderland being based on trauma in her life and her desires
Wait, did he straight up think children could not be abused in that way? Or that memories of such a thing weren't possible? Much as I try to give him a fair shake, I do keep running into things that remind me why Jung probably stopped working with him.
@@xvelvet3247 Yes, he worked with lots of kids and his childhood development ideas is full of sexual pleasure reasons for child development. I have a psychology degree and Alice madness returns was a perfect representation of negative aspects of Freud.
Have you played Nier: Automata, Max? It has a lot of existentialist themes I think you'd like and the relationship between 2B and 9S is very Freudian. The scene where [spoiler!] 2B straddles 9S while strangling him (it's complicated) comes to mind, as well as the quote "You want to **** 2B, don't you?" intentionally having multiple meanings.
@@maxderrat did you play other Drakengard games? I know people were really impressed with Automata but want to ask if the others in the series are the same level of mind-screw.
10:13 what do you mean there wasnt a sexual element in the evil within ? the main antagonist in that game, Ruvik's whole drive/motivation was that he wanted to be reunited with his dead older sister in his unconcious mind to have a wild incest adventure
when gaming meet a science o' knowledge. someone has to speak up about this more rather a review as such. thanks Max brother your channel really great :"))
What was with the panicking about time? Is it because you're planning on making multiple videos on this or did you just not want the video to be too long?
If you haven't played the game before, I would really recommend you try "Layers of Fear". Id be really interested to see what your thoughts are about its story and the ideas it is trying to depict.
0:38 That's not Freud, that's Freud! With an exclamation point... All you want is a dinkle All you envy's a schwang! A thing through which you tan tinkle Or play with, or simply let hang... I will never forget those profound lyrics, it's STILL the best joke, ever. For people missing context, Joey is auditioning for Freud! the musical, in FRIENDS. Freud's sex explanations fit very well in post-Victorian repressed society. However, his explanation of penis envy couldn't be more wrong, we don't want your... Johnson... we want equal RIGHTS.
Silent Hill seems to be based on the protagonist's traumatic experience, twisting him into submission, so isn't the experience itself (ie. everything he is going through throughout the game) his Id? And his fear is his Superego.
* * * SPOILERS FOR XENOGEARS * * * - - 18:20 I could be wrong here, but I remember that Fei split his personality while undergoing the torturous experiments he was forced to go through. He retreated within himself while the persona which had to endure all the pain would later become 'Id'.
This is because he was influenced deeply by gnosticism, occultism and kabbalah. Dont You get it? This is why. The source is not in Freud. Freud, Jung and others drew from gnosis, not the other way around.
I strongly recomend you to read "The unconcious as infinite systems" from Ignacio Matte Blanco, a chilean psyconalyst. He took freudian concept, modified some, criticized others, and gave us what I personally consider as a very interesting and creative rielaboration of Freud. (Actually many of his concept can be applied to other psychological theories, like Jungian idea of "union of opposite"). About videogames, am I the only one who thinks that the Dark Soul of Man in the "Dark Souls" franchise kinda look like a fantasy version of the unconcious? Think about it: in this games human has two souls, one is bright, rational, concious, in control of the body, the other is "dark" (duh), irrational, instinctual, passional, primordial, much more powerful. And it is kept repressed. There would be also a very long conversation about how time works for the two souls, and how it could be connected to a freudian concept, but the discussion would become too long.
* * * SPOILERS FOR _Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patrios_ * * * This game also has quite some religious and Freudian imagery. Eva, whom we first meet in _MGS3: Snake Eater_ (talk about innuendo...) was there Big Boss' love interests, but now returns under the code name 'Big Momma'. The conflation between nurturing mother and desirable woman is probably no coincidence. Also, _MGS2: Sons of Liberty_ deals with sexual trauma and repression, as Otacon reveals that his sister almost drowned while he was getting it one with his step-mother.
hey Max, I recommend you reading chainsaw man it's hilarious and really deep in a way and there is not many videos talking about it in a Jungian view or in a deep way there is a lot going on in the manga, anyway thank you again for your contents.
there's a god-sim game called Black & White that has a representation of the Id, Ego, and Superego edit: also the Ergo Proxy anime, and more relevant than Black & White which is just the devil and angel on shoulder thing with ego being your choices
you're a really intelligent dude when you talked about how Elon Musk is this genius when he's just a business man that pretends to be an engineer and innovator simply because he hires Engineers and Scientists I thought you might be stupid that you can't see through the facade but you're really intelligent, and educated to a good degree.
Max is a gamer, never judge a gamer cos they'll just play you... Yeah that's kinda the whole reason we like Max because I think he's pretty aware of things it would take us a lifetime to piece together it's nice to get help on metaphysical questions, max is good at always providing words of wisdom you always think about at our lowest points, plus he read my name on a stream once on his birthday and laughed at it so I'm like ight this guy gets things, so you better subscribe or I will dislike your comment as Max's unofficial vigilante RUclips moderator and I make ironic comments and have absolutely no power to do anything more than dislike your comment because I have no affiliation with max im a rouge subscriber out here robbing subscriptions for max because you have violated the unofficial Max Derrat RUclips comment section rules I wrote just a moment after you posted this high crime, subscribe or you will be thrown in the RUclips comment section dungeon consisting of 9 year old spammers and me writing nonsensical comments intertwined with actual relevant information because I see no laws but the laws I write on the Max Derrat channel comments post Max's approval to my request to mod. You will face justice one day.
I liked your comment cos max told me I was wrong through the stern glace of his authority in his profile picture please don't be mad, this was just business nothing personal.
PLAY "ECHO" BY ULTRA ULTRA PLEASE. This game is brilliant and well made, and tho nobody heard about her. It is a shame cause it is a SF trip into the heart of being and sacrifice.
LOL if you think Freud had a large influence on games, wait till you learn about the real mover of the games industry: Skinner! (Yes I'm aware there is no chance Max isn't well aware of what I'm talking about.)
Yo bro you should def do wolf amoung us I know it’s a tall tail game but it’s a good one n story for it’s time hopefully they can do the new one justice
Please do. I’d love to join and talk about Masahiro Ito’s design and influence choices to what lead him to make PH have pyramid and all that other fun stuff
Pyramid Head as Superego/Shadow -
This is the problem with psychoanalytic concepts, particularly with Freudian ones: they describe only one part of a greater truth... and even then, what that truth is remains debatable. For myself, I'd say the greater truth is Jungian: that the Freudian id is one part of a person's unconscious. Pyramid Head shares the same multiplicity of purpose that the personal unconscious does. Though he takes the form of the "Id" part of the unconscious, his function isn't simply to be libidinous force of nature. He seems to have a purpose.
Is he the superego? I suppose it depends on whichever way you look at it. Like Heather said, and Vincent alluded to in Silent Hill 3, God can be the devil or vice-versa. You would think that the superego would take the form of an angel, like I explained in the video. But what does an angel actually look like? Another character from Silent Hill that Pyramid Head is related to, Valtiel, is described as an angel. He looks decrepit like Pyramid Head too.
Is he the shadow? Is he actually trying to help James? Again, it's hard to say for certain. He seems to be helping James towards his goal as much as he is trying to kill him. This is the problem with integrating unconscious contents into consciousness. Sometimes it's the most important thing that needs to be done, and sometimes it will kill you.
Trying to be objective about something as subjective as the unconscious mind, or its personifications (like Pyramid Head) is impossible. Given the evidence, I would say that Pyramid Head's aesthetic and behavior is definitely id-like, but will have the side-effect of a superego/shadow... in that it will shock those who witness Pyramid Head's behavior towards the good.
That's the best I can do for now.
Hey max, would it be possible for you to do a follow up video featuring the super ego as the shadow? The concept of the super ego becoming the shadow should ring allot of bells for people who have played many of these types of games.
In the works of Freud, the unconscious is not a place but a quality. So you can't say the ID is part of the unconscious. You can say a wish is unconscious, that means you have a wish (drive, trieb) but you're not aware of it. You wish to kill but you don't know you wish to kill, so you write crime novels, or play violent games, or work as a butcher, or become a cop or a soldier, or turn suicidal, or a sadist. You do any of these without knowing the origin of it, which is the unconscious drive.
Freudian symbolism implies a figure can be reservoir of many meanings. So Pyramid Head symbolizes not only one thing, but many things. PH is not the superego or de id, PH is a symbols that sometimes represents the superego (guidance, guilt and punishment), and sometimes represents the id (James's sexual drives).
@@vagabundorkchaosmagick-use2898 I agree and Im glad you put it into words so well. I think cases where its harder to see exactly whats going on because a symbol can be correctly interpreted in several ways make for good examples of how the unconscious can unintentionally mislead us
@@pikpockett I'm glad my less that perfect English worked well (I speak Spanish; English is not my natural language).
Well the superego and id are connected to put pressure over the ego. The demonic superego intends to sit in the throne of self in order to sacrifice the individual. Give in to the death impulse and direct life back towards the primordial inorganic state. Both id and superego tend to control us, repress us and ultimately makes us ill to a point in certain cases to psychosis. Makes sense!
Max, as someone who never touched a book or read an article on the subject, I gotta say your videos inspired me to enjoy psychology. It's amazing how deep these stories go and how amazing Jung's, Freud's and many others' approaches are. Thank you for this! keep 'em up!
Once you read one of these subjects, it's down the rabbit holes for you. It happens to me years ago, read almost Freud and Jung papers and books, all their assimilate works like archetypes, folk tale, and stuff (even the obscure ones like Eliphas Levi, Horoscope, Tarot and shit like that), then beginning to compare everything you comprehend or understand with psychoanalysis approach. Man, what a fun ride.
@黑 Crow you must be fun at party, eh?
@黑 Crow well, let 'em be, my friend. Sometimes wandering around is better ways of learning than just show them the ways.
Loving all the game content you have been making. It’s really great to look back from a completely new perspective, at games from the past. It gives them new life and rekindled some of the wonder and thoughts about them. Keep it up, and remember that your mental health and happiness is the most important. Appreciate all you do.
As someone who studied psychology and now is a practicing therapist, i really enjoyed this video and seeing the correlations between Freuds work to video games. Well done.
Max, have you read "When Nietzsche Wept" by Irvin Yalom? You would have a nerdgasm. It's a historical fiction written by one of the most famous psychotherapists of today about the relationship between Freud, Nietzsche, and Breuer
Oh I remember the film! Can't read the book, watch the movie, it's pretty good. Author is Irvin Yalom, I still have his textbooks somewhere around my house...
As for the Id, Ego, and Super ego, I think GTA 5 is a great example of this. Michael is the Super Ego, trying to be good but failing. Trevor is the ID, impulsive and uncontrollable, doing whatever his heart desires. Franklin is the ego, trying to mediate between the two.
Freudian Trio IS an actual page in TvTropes, it lists tons of similar examples. Including this one.
Freud got tons of things right, he’s just read poorly by most, was thrown under the bus by psychology, and it took other styles of science a long time to catch up where they could to provide a more objective accounting for what Freud described. Neuroscience has shown many of his ideas to be well ahead of their time, and as much as the therapy profession doesn’t like to publicize it, even many of his more uncomfortable ideas are unignorable in practice, like ideas on transference and the internal conflicts now referred to as psychodynamics.
I have no expertise in this subject, nor do I really understand some of the terms that you are using, but with Freud, I suspect that there was a bit of a Sammelweis Reflex on part of his contemporaries, as well as a post-modern disregard about him today, typically amongst ignorant bombasts such as myself.
Yes, that's it. The Illuminati is dead set on destroying Freud's credibility because he was so right.
@@nickcurrant2254 Well, he became famous when he presented his work about infantile sexuality. People were not simply ready to acknowledge little children have an active sexual life, albeit not one like adults have. This was enough to send him to academy hell.
The 3 highest selling Unconventional Love Stories are: Family Relationships, Supernatural Monsters (Vampires, Warewolves, Aliens etc) & Savior Complexes.
(1nc3st, M0nst3rs & H3r03s)
Makes you wonder about what humanity thinks is attractive.
(Personally, the mind is more attractive then external physical qualities. But I do think Tomboys & Muscle Girls are really... cool?)
@@thotslayer9914 I suggest you to research fetishism according to Freud. It's nothing to feel proud about.
Yay, Max video... and I just woke up from a nap... good times..
I think that I now have a better understanding/appreciation of Freud's work now.👍
Shoot, I just noticed that I used the word 'now' twice in one sentence, & I can't edit it or the heart will go away.
Whoops my bad. 😅
"Cocaine is a hell of a drug" -Sigmund Freud
😆
And he was injecting it too lol, so you know he was ZOOTED
There was a race of doctors badly trying to justify its use by finding a practical application, and one of very few that actually worked, passed by Freud: other doc Carl Koller found its use as local anesthetic for eye surgery. Sigmund was MAD!
I didn't realize just how much projecting Freud did. He would have had a field day with social media. All the same I can see and appreciate much of the work he did and laid the groundwork for particularly in symbolism and our emotional attachment to it. Even if we don't all want to *bleep* our family members.
He laid the groundwork for psychology, as a thing... you wouldn't have it without Freud. Not in a modern sense, pre-Freud psychology is like pre-Mercedes Benz cars. Not what you would have describe as one now.
Hey Max, you should give a shot to an anime called Id Invaded. You will probably find it interesting, as the title suggested. Your contents are some of the most interesting in the platform right now. You introduce me to some of the psichological complex concept of Jung. And english is not my first lenguage and I learn a lot listening to you. Thanks bud, you're really the best.
this is my new favorite yt channel. thank you for your existence
Thank you for your sweetness!
Freud was so wrong about the Oedipus Complex that he didn't even name it right. Oedipus did not lust after his mother or desire his father's death. He did not know his parents at all, and it was coincidence (or the will of the gods I guess) that he crossed paths and got involved with them. The worst thing he knowingly did was have a cougar fetish. Well, that or being guilty of the world's first documented case of murderous road rage.
Freud's own incestuous fantasies were so strong that he projected them onto a myth that doesn't support them. Oedipus Rex is really about the sins of the father, and the capriciousness of life (which the Greeks attributed to their gods).
Id, ego, and superego make a decent framework for the *explanation* of human behaviors, which is why they make for good narratives. But they really aren't useful to modern psychological treatments, which suggest they are not true in any meaningful way. It's just like how really good fantasy worlds can be described in terms of the four elements (Avatar's earth, wind, fire, and flame.) Narratively they are elegant and convincing. But that doesn't make them true!
Freud founded psychotherapy, and popularized psychology. His lasting impact was to create interest in psychology, and that was a good thing. But his specific ideas, as he specifically articulated them, are no longer credible in psychological treatments. That's a good thing too, because it means the science of psychology continues to be advanced. Just stop representing his specific theories as credible. Anything he developed that still holds relevance has been significantly modified, and the people who did that advancement deserve as much if not more credit than he does.
Hmm. Interesting. Your source for such claims?
@@dasuero7489 freud's shitty works.
@@dasuero7489 Source? He made that shit up. Lmao
Jokes aside, if you study psychology even surface level, this is right. Science are developed by correcting past theories with evidence and making next theory and shit keeps looping until the truth comes up. Undeniable truth, then we began to develop shit from that truth.
But, human are so complex yet predictable in such ways that the truth hardly accepted or even challenged with equally convincing truth.
What Max meant to say was the theories were credible in that there is utility for Freud’s and Jung’s theory in video games to facilitate and imagine a story. It gave that use for pop culture and cinema, but not irl. Campbell’s Hero’s Journey cycle and all that
@@dasuero7489 yes, that's why we are all gather here. Who cares about what's right or wrong scientifically? We're here for Freudian and Jungian Psychoanalysis on video games. And this shit was entertaining yet educational. I love Jungian Psychoanalysis so much I read all of his books and papers, did it scientifically true? Don't care, all I want to is learning what this dude said years ago and finding what his psychoanalysis is all about.
Perhaps bold to request since I am not a patreon supporter, but I would like to see in the future your analysis or take on the 2016 anime "Flip Flappers".
Its usage and utilization of Freudian and Jungian psychology in the worldsetting, characterizations through archetypes and concept through "mahou shojo" is very intriguing in addressing coming-of-age & female psychology (quite literal in one episode of the animus (Pure Breaker)).
It's a big ask, and although not rewarding to sit through halfway the series (it picks up around episode 7 in momentum), I think it pays off more on repeat viewing with a lens atuned to whats below the glitzy surface text.
I'd wish it'd had 24 episodes to fully expand on the ideas, but for a 12 episode run, I don't regret it at all existing.
A rare unpolished gem to come out post-Madoka.
I love your videos that go into psychology. Video games have also had a huge impact on me as a person, so it's nice to see others analyzing their significance as art. That stuff you said about Sephiroth was especially interesting to me. I wonder if there's some connection between the kabbalah tree of the sephirot and the more existential take on the Oedipus complex you laid out as they relate to Sephiroth's character.
Great as always. Would love for extra content on this subject
Max, amazing content and analysis, as a psychologist, musician, gamer and human being im truly thankful for your work. There is tons of books, video games, music and information and your videos that I would love yo check it out. For example, because of your análisis in the shadow. I’m reading the heart of darkness and already played spec ops the line. Truly amazing. Also I’m gonna say thanks for helping people in promoting mental health. You have already helped me too. This is my first comment in RUclips ever. And I will check it out all your videos. Keep doing an excellent work. You are way ahead in knowledge.
@Max Derrat
"When is a dream not a dream. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. The trick is knowing when the cigar is no longer a cigar." Words Freud said in the last years of his life, and in a way, I think his way of admitting he was wrong on things and a fool for letting ego and pride blind him. I would say all should stop at times to self-assess, and see if what we are doing defending is for reasons valid, or reasons for self-gratification. To see if we are smoking the cigar, or if the cigar is smoking us.
You're over-elaborating. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar has no special meaning. He was asked about HIS love for cigars and answered, well, just that. It wasn't a hidden penis is all.
Greetings Max. I recently found out about your channel and I really love your content and the socio-psychological depth you give to the games that try to show and portrait our modern society. I recently finished playing Max Payne 3 and really loved the cynical jaded nihilism of Max in the noir modern Brazilian setting. And when I finished it, it really got me wondering what your take on the exploration of the Max Payne universe would be.
16:08 In short! Id=Pyramid Head, Ego=James & Superego= The player 😅
16:40 as someone who roams r/fear and hunger on reddit i can confirm this is so true, they simp the crow mauler to no end (crow mauler is basicaly pyramid head but with a crow head and a maul instead of sword)
Man, your vidoes are crazy good, i am always excited to see a new one
Great Job Max, another super hit, excellent work my friend.
He influenced others to develop new ways to view life and how we experience it. I doubt if he wanted the adoration which developed. I found analysis helped to a point but prevented processing early developmental trauma. Gestalt type therapy helped me to feel present and eventually feel safe to feel my emotions frim childhoid memories, including punushment for my autism. One pupil of his was Victor Frankel, who influenced my view of mankind's motive for life, which he believed is to have meaning in life rather than a sexual motive as Freud said, or power, as Adler proposed.
I appreciate everything you put together for us Max, I eat it all up. You've helped me better understand so much while I take college courses. In a way you've really helped me discover my passion💕 thank you, this was helpful and interesting as always.
Ps. Anyone turned on by pyramid head is.... Disturbed to say the least lol. That was news to me and literally recoiled... Now I have a research paper 🤔😂☠️
There is a theory or rather an hypothesis (By both reinstall paul and Max, when they played Silent Hill 2 together on a stream) that women are attracted to pyramid head as some women are attracted to the character of 50 shades of grey. It seems the idea of being dominated/controlled is of sexual appeal to some women, also known as the "bad boy".
Now what is not an hypothesis and is being seeing on academic papers is that usually, women that are still young (like teenagers and young adults) but mostly because of lack of maturation have this love lets say, for this kind of characters.
Usually, a mature women wants an integrated man, that person who have the power or the attitude or the character of being distant or even harmful, but decides to "sheathe" that part (integration of the shadow), and also being a father who is constantly being a provider of the house and at the same time attends their own children. So pretty much a well rounded human being, integrating all of what he is.
I'm not exactly sure what is it that we want in a woman though, I have my specificities, usually when a man is young you just want to bang whatever you see, then whoever notices you, but then we mature more into searching for a woman who is both strong and motherly.
Trivia, this is the sexual fantasy for the majority of women that took some internet questionnaire, maybe you can google it (not in any particular order):
a) Werewolf.
b) Vampire Aristocrat.
c) Surgeon.
d) Billionaire.
e) Pirate.
@@AnotherFancyUser I agree that I can see the sexual aspect being tied to domination/bondage/grape but it freaks me out how someone could put that on pyramid head... Unless they literally wanted to die during/after the act. It's disturbing to say the least...I get the bad boy thing for young/immature but Pyramid head is not a bad boy 😅☠️ it's frightening honestly
Ps If I had to guess, I'd say B, D for majority? Fits the all around need and fantasy lol?
@@kauaichan I guess, there are different fantasies for different people. I knew women who broke all the stereotypes (wanted to being with someone younger, wanted to be with guys with less muscle, or chubby, wanted to dominate or be dominated, etc, I have been completely advanced too, which breaks that stereotype of the guy having to advance).
I guess the take is, be who you are so that when you meet that someone someone you can say that at least you have a lot of thing in common (another paper that suggests that people that are super different in tastes but also in personality tend to dissolve fast), but then again... what are we? are we tied to some sort of biological tyranny (which I see as biological determinism, among other things) or we have a spark of freedom? some sort of free will? I guess this is like The matrix 2, the problem is choice, but then again... "this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it."
I would love to see a deep dive video on amnesia the dark descent, just replayed it for the first time in years and never fully realized how deep the game is
Would love to see a full video of yours about Jung
He is right xenogears is one of the greatest games ever made
I would say Freud's tying of so many things back to sex is highly correct when it comes to humans. Look at our society right now, Almost every major social issue that is being fought over is about sex. The after effects of sex, how to have as much as you can with no consequences, what you call your role in it, how to ridicule someone who doesn't, how to use it to sell products (*always* a corporate go to).
Indeed, it is one of primal drives for people. Even major human rights movement have sexual component to them, LGBT rights is obvious, but even race rights started with mixed marriage, and I bet initial drive to stop institutionalized racism and other discrimination was pushed through because no matter how much racism you are taught from childhood, finding the people you were taught to hate, hot, overwrites the preconceptions.
"but because we are running out of time..." ill watch a 3 hour video if you made one.
16:53 LMAO MAX STRAIGHT UP FRAMED THE HORNIES what a champ!
"During 1913, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Leon Trotsky, Josip Broz Tito and Sigmund Freud all stayed in Vienna at the same time, only several kilometers away from each other." Just as curiosity. Also, an artist and occultist called Austin Osman Spare wrote a book called The Book of Pleasure and he was a personal friend of Freud, and Freud did read his work that is basically the Id, Ego and Superego theory. Spare's book was published in 1913 a few years before Freud publish his own theory.
Also let's mention that Freud was a materialist and he hated metaphysics, you are risking confusing Psychoanalysis with magical thought, which it is not.
@@vagabundorkchaosmagick-use2898 "Psychoanalysis is a dead religion"
@@lohankarachay476 It's exactly the opposite, not a religion but a methodology. But as the video mentions, most people are ignorant of what psychoanalysis actually is.
So they were flat mates it would make a great sitcom
@@WarDogMadness Stalin and Hitler bullying Freud. Trotsky arrives "Yo! Freud! Why don't you call Joe to help you?" Freud "Who's Joe?" Stalin, Hitler and Trotsky in unison "Joe Mama!" **Keeps punching Freud**
Hi Max, just started Xenogears and love youe videos. Are there any spoilers?
Yes there are.
very interesting video. i love this content. well done Max!
I never thought of Pyramid Head that way, but then again I never saw Sephiroth that way and he's very "popular" too. However, now that you mention it I get what you are saying. Especially when you see stuff like concept art instead of the original PS2 models.
13:30 I would't be so sure that Sephiroth knew Hojo was his father. Hojo himself even said that Sephiroth never knew. Now, it might be possible that Sephiroth may have found out about Hojo through the research materials in the Shinra Mansion basement lab, but it would only state that Hojo was the one responsible for injecting Jenova's Cells into her during her pregnancy, but may not actually know that he's also his biological father.
Loving the dead rising ambiance.
THank you for theeeese
Interesting. One negative effect of Freud diching hypnosis we almost lost the art and science of it. Thank goodness stage hypnotists keeping it alive.
I love you max. Your brain makes me happy.
Given the popular perception of the guy I've got to assume it's a Freud thing, but in the game Dark Seed 2 there's parts where the main character is seeing a therapist or psychologist that sometimes uses hypnosis and in the background there's a prominently displayed poster that has a cigar on it.
Frued’s response to everything is sex 😂 😂 😂 I don’t much of Frued’s work as I do know more of Carl Jung (expect the incest theory) who makes more sense than Frued I don’t deny Frued’s theories and studies did pave the way to psychoanalysis as it is today.
Check out "Cry of Fear" or if you can spend weeks reading wiki lores... the "Fate" series along with "Kara no Kyoukai/ Garden of Sinners, and Tsukihime." You can ignore the individual stories, but the overall lore draws heavily on Jungian theories.
I would love to hear your take on Alice Madness Returns. There are definitely Freudian themes within it.
It's very overt too... like was obvious from the start someone is trying to fax you.
YES OH MY GOD
You're on fire, dude.
The most classic example of Freud in video games will always be Sonic Adventure 2
"You thought you could trick me with that fake emerald, didn't you?"
"How did you know it wasn't the real one?"
"Because you just told me, fox boy!"
Jean Martin Charcot looks like a french version of my dad
what sorcery is this
for a game that uses the concepts talked about in this video I'd like to recommend Lobotomy corp and library of ruina for using these things as central parts of the games.
the monsters in the games referred as Abnormalities are basically Representations of things found commonly within the Ids people within society as these Abnormalities are pulled directly out of the collective consciousness, by working on and managing(or beating in Library of ruina's case) these Abnormalities you can extract/use Powerful equipment called E.G.O, basically putting a gameplay representation of properly incorporating ones Id you literally become stronger for it(one could also relate this to taking on a Jungian Archetype aswell)
and in Library of ruina there's a similar yet somewhat different thing where a person can develop they're own E.G.O equipment from themselves this only happens when someone is put through a unimaginable amount of emotional distress that reveals to themselves their own flaws/Id and manages to keep themselves together and find reinforced purpose within themselves, however if through this emotional distress if they snap and completely given into their baser desire they would be become distortion and monster very liken to a Abnormality which is a physical manifestation of their Id lashing out and attending to fulfill whatever desire the person had through often supernatural and violent means.
Freud deserves a lot of credit, without him, Adler & Jung wasn't there who they was back in the day.
Hi max, great vid once again! Was also wandering i you have seen the movie 'come true', it seems to be right up your alle with jungian horror psycholigy etc. Would definitly recomend a watch if not a video analysis about it 😁. Anyway love you and have a good one
You missed the biggest reference to id in gaming. The most legendary game development studio of all time, id software. Creators of Doom, Quake, Commander Keen and Wolf 3D, and countless game engines... Easy to see Freudian reference when it's always lowercase!
I want to add my 2 cents that your explanation of id, ego and super-ego, are overly-simplistic. Especially the Homer pic, looks like Super-ego is a GOOD thing, and id is a bad one, which isn't how it works... id is easier to explain, that's your (often unconscious) desires and impulses. It's required unless you want to be a persistent stick-in-the-mud. Super-ego is the collective judging compass inside your head, it might be very malevolent, and manifest as the constantly-critiquing voice. It's not your personal conscience (which would be a part of ego), but subconscious combined cultural convolution of taboos and criticisms.
Super-ego is more akin to an ever-present drill sergeant or an angry disciplinarian on your shoulder, while the id is your buddy wanting to sneak out and play.
Ego is just your self... but even that can be divided into ego-states, Eric Berne's transactional analysis splits ego into parent, adult and child, which is also threepartial model, however, it's conscious: for example, a home owners association berating some poor sod is playing a "parents committee" game. If someone raises a rational voice, stemming from "adult" ego-state, he will fall on deaf ears due to crossed transactions ("adults" transact with each-other while "child" has transactions with "parent").
Each person might jump between ego-states in the same conversations, when they cross (on a scheme), unsolvable conflicts emerge: If someone throws a tantrum, in a misbehaving child ego-state, you can't argue to them with rational points like an adult, you need to take the role of a caring parent. If someone is being a tyrant (parent) you can't reason with them (adult), but you can protest (child). And when people are drinking with buddies or playing computer games they're in the child state... and wife/mom/bartender showing you the clock as a rational adult or explaining that it's time to go doesn't really play along... but if they threaten to ground or throw you out, like a punishing parent, it will do.
Yeah, it would be nice for someone who read Games People Play and familiar with Transactional Analysis to put that into videogames. A lot of culty and faction behavior is explained in Berne's later work, What Do You Say After You Say Hello? It plays with tribalism and how hard it is to avoid your in-group's scenario, which consists of the number of games everyone agrees to participate in (and if you don't, you get shunned). For example, a group of old ladies berating the youth might not accept a grandma who's happy for kids because she doesn't play their game atm.
But I digress. If we want to focus on videogames... well, Pyramid head, apart from being obviously as phallic as it gets, was made up by James psyche as the punisher, so in a way, he's more super-ego than id... His id is very obviously represented by Maria. "Mai waifu but less repressed"..
Same game also deals with other characters psychiatry: Eddie was bullied, and killed the bully's dog. Laura was raped and killed her father. The game is about murderers dealing with their conscience AND the trauma that led to them snapping... in a town that makes all of your nightmares come true to life.
Max, would you ever consider covering Andrei Tarkovsky's - "Stalker"?
Yes.
Hope you cover the Suffering video game. It's like Silent Hill, but more action packed
I plan on doing a video on it this October! Stay tuned. :D
@@maxderrat OOOOOH, can't wait for you to talk about the monsters and story analysis like you always do.
Someone snuck the soundtrack for FFIX in there, and I'm ok with that 🙂.
Hello Max, excellent videos I truely enjoy the content and you do good work..
I have a suggestion for a video, this been the Master from the fallout universe.. i think you will find his actions and philosophy, very intresting.
kinda crazy, i went to freud's house 3 days ago
How's he doing?
Max saying the "s" word is so rare, it's worth watching this just to hear him talk about it 😂
The suicidal behaviours that James demonstrates throughout the game (examining the knife, the toilet scene, jumping into holes, not healing after taking damage, etc.) can also be explained with the Freudian concept of mortido (death drive).
Ah yes, a very clear motif from Beyond the Pleasure Principle in Silent Hill 2, Maria is his drive for Eros, and Pyramid head symbolizing Thanatos... and well, the obvious projection of himself on PH when the latter tinkles with mannequins.
Man, the use of Nobuo Uematsu music...
I found this channel recently, and i must say this is all fascinating and a feast for the mind.
You reccomend several books in this video and others. is there one in particular you would point out to start with?
We all stand on the shoulders of giants to reach greater heights.
Even in death, nameless & forgotten, you are aided by the legions you will inevitably join.
We will overcome our failures together, one day, or share the same grave.
Your Skyrim looks beautiful.
Thank you! I used this tutorial to get it that way: ruclips.net/video/Xvfv2DUooPk/видео.html
Oedipal complex is just an instance of fathers missing the ques of their child development and don't channelling children strengths onto someone their age. What's to the death drive - Freud chainsmoked his throat "I'm on a highway to hell".
We all know Freud for his determination to find the eel genetelia.
Max, have you ever played Persona 4? I often jokingly call it Jungcore. You enter a netherworld and encounter people's neuroses as bosses. Persona itself is full of interesting symbolism. Check it out if you haven't.
Hey Max, i was looking you channel up tryind to find a video about Lisa The Painful but i did't find it, did you never played that game? If not please play it, is incredible.
I just think it’s funny that he’s the father of psychology because people are trying to prove him wrong
Not psychology; psychology is much older. Psychoanalysis, which is not psychology but a methodology to "cure" psychological disorders without using drugs or trepanation.
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@@vagabundorkchaosmagick-use2898 he is called grandfather of psychology, and the modern field of psychology the way we use the term, didn't exist before Sigmund Freud. Like we call Ibn al-Haytham father of scientific method despite science existing before him, it's just the principles that define the scientific method _as we know it today_ were started by Ibn al-Haytham. Much like psychology in the _modern sense of the word,_ started with Freud and pals.
Thanks good sir for this vidéo
HOW THE HELL did you not mention Alice madness returns the therapist in the asylum was Freud. Freud believed child sexual abuse was just an active imagination. The story of Alice had the worst aspects of Freud's ideology and was interesting interpretation. Even dreams showing what a person really wants in the game as well with Alice's mind creating a wonderland being based on trauma in her life and her desires
Wait, did he straight up think children could not be abused in that way? Or that memories of such a thing weren't possible? Much as I try to give him a fair shake, I do keep running into things that remind me why Jung probably stopped working with him.
Never played that game, unfortunately.
@@maxderrat Give it a shot its a masterpiece of psychology
@@maxderrat Fr though dude's right, game's great both as a fan of psychology and old literature
@@xvelvet3247 Yes, he worked with lots of kids and his childhood development ideas is full of sexual pleasure reasons for child development. I have a psychology degree and Alice madness returns was a perfect representation of negative aspects of Freud.
Have you played Nier: Automata, Max? It has a lot of existentialist themes I think you'd like and the relationship between 2B and 9S is very Freudian. The scene where [spoiler!] 2B straddles 9S while strangling him (it's complicated) comes to mind, as well as the quote "You want to **** 2B, don't you?" intentionally having multiple meanings.
Yup! I think I have done three separate videos on the game. Kind of want to go back and do a fourth.
@@maxderrat Feel free! In the meantime I'll be going through your channel
@@maxderrat did you play other Drakengard games? I know people were really impressed with Automata but want to ask if the others in the series are the same level of mind-screw.
10:13 what do you mean there wasnt a sexual element in the evil within ? the main antagonist in that game, Ruvik's whole drive/motivation was that he wanted to be reunited with his dead older sister in his unconcious mind to have a wild incest adventure
when gaming meet a science o' knowledge. someone has to speak up about this more rather a review as such. thanks Max brother your channel really great :"))
What was with the panicking about time? Is it because you're planning on making multiple videos on this or did you just not want the video to be too long?
Damn you could have also tied the Abstract Daddy's with Angelia with that theory. That monster is clearly from her mind for really awful reasons.
Right, wrong . . . he's the dude with that sweet beard
If you haven't played the game before, I would really recommend you try "Layers of Fear". Id be really interested to see what your thoughts are about its story and the ideas it is trying to depict.
0:38 That's not Freud, that's Freud! With an exclamation point...
All you want is a dinkle
All you envy's a schwang!
A thing through which you tan tinkle
Or play with, or simply let hang...
I will never forget those profound lyrics, it's STILL the best joke, ever.
For people missing context, Joey is auditioning for Freud! the musical, in FRIENDS.
Freud's sex explanations fit very well in post-Victorian repressed society.
However, his explanation of penis envy couldn't be more wrong, we don't want your... Johnson... we want equal RIGHTS.
Silent Hill seems to be based on the protagonist's traumatic experience, twisting him into submission, so isn't the experience itself (ie. everything he is going through throughout the game) his Id? And his fear is his Superego.
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18:20 I could be wrong here, but I remember that Fei split his personality while undergoing the torturous experiments he was forced to go through. He retreated within himself while the persona which had to endure all the pain would later become 'Id'.
This is because he was influenced deeply by gnosticism, occultism and kabbalah. Dont You get it? This is why. The source is not in Freud. Freud, Jung and others drew from gnosis, not the other way around.
underrated comment
Jung disagreeing with Freud is ironic once it was found out he was bonking his patients
not many people are aware of it.
When maria told James that she couldn't catch Laura , wasn't Laura suspicious of why she resembles marry?😂
Laura can't see Maria. Maria doesn't exist. Only James sees Maria.
I strongly recomend you to read "The unconcious as infinite systems" from Ignacio Matte Blanco, a chilean psyconalyst. He took freudian concept, modified some, criticized others, and gave us what I personally consider as a very interesting and creative rielaboration of Freud. (Actually many of his concept can be applied to other psychological theories, like Jungian idea of "union of opposite").
About videogames, am I the only one who thinks that the Dark Soul of Man in the "Dark Souls" franchise kinda look like a fantasy version of the unconcious? Think about it: in this games human has two souls, one is bright, rational, concious, in control of the body, the other is "dark" (duh), irrational, instinctual, passional, primordial, much more powerful. And it is kept repressed.
There would be also a very long conversation about how time works for the two souls, and how it could be connected to a freudian concept, but the discussion would become too long.
This actually makes learning cool, right on.
Even Ride to Hell: Retribution........
Are there spoilers for Control here? I'm playing through it right now and just wanna be cautious.
No spoilers 🤘 enjoy man
There's spoilers for one enemy type that appears in the DLC. That's it. That enemy type, by the way, has virtually no big impact on the narrative.
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This game also has quite some religious and Freudian imagery. Eva, whom we first meet in _MGS3: Snake Eater_ (talk about innuendo...) was there Big Boss' love interests, but now returns under the code name 'Big Momma'. The conflation between nurturing mother and desirable woman is probably no coincidence.
Also, _MGS2: Sons of Liberty_ deals with sexual trauma and repression, as Otacon reveals that his sister almost drowned while he was getting it one with his step-mother.
Nice video
hey Max, I recommend you reading chainsaw man it's hilarious and really deep in a way and there is not many videos talking about it in a Jungian view or in a deep way there is a lot going on in the manga, anyway thank you again for your contents.
there's a god-sim game called Black & White that has a representation of the Id, Ego, and Superego
edit: also the Ergo Proxy anime, and more relevant than Black & White which is just the devil and angel on shoulder thing with ego being your choices
you're a really intelligent dude
when you talked about how Elon Musk is this genius when he's just a business man that pretends to be an engineer and innovator simply because he hires Engineers and Scientists I thought you might be stupid that you can't see through the facade but you're really intelligent, and educated to a good degree.
Max is a gamer, never judge a gamer cos they'll just play you... Yeah that's kinda the whole reason we like Max because I think he's pretty aware of things it would take us a lifetime to piece together it's nice to get help on metaphysical questions, max is good at always providing words of wisdom you always think about at our lowest points, plus he read my name on a stream once on his birthday and laughed at it so I'm like ight this guy gets things, so you better subscribe or I will dislike your comment as Max's unofficial vigilante RUclips moderator and I make ironic comments and have absolutely no power to do anything more than dislike your comment because I have no affiliation with max im a rouge subscriber out here robbing subscriptions for max because you have violated the unofficial Max Derrat RUclips comment section rules I wrote just a moment after you posted this high crime, subscribe or you will be thrown in the RUclips comment section dungeon consisting of 9 year old spammers and me writing nonsensical comments intertwined with actual relevant information because I see no laws but the laws I write on the Max Derrat channel comments post Max's approval to my request to mod. You will face justice one day.
I liked your comment cos max told me I was wrong through the stern glace of his authority in his profile picture please don't be mad, this was just business nothing personal.
Adam Something has good takes on debunking the cult of Elon Musk.
Frued did not get much wrong. I haven’t read all his work, but I’ve read enough to realise he was bang on the money with a lot of things
PLAY "ECHO" BY ULTRA ULTRA PLEASE. This game is brilliant and well made, and tho nobody heard about her. It is a shame cause it is a SF trip into the heart of being and sacrifice.
Freud codified all these things
but did he want to codify Roe v Wade?
I wonder if he would codify them?
What about Milton Erickson? Are there any games that uses his concepts?
Will you do video of metal gear solid anniversary
LOL if you think Freud had a large influence on games, wait till you learn about the real mover of the games industry: Skinner!
(Yes I'm aware there is no chance Max isn't well aware of what I'm talking about.)
Yo bro you should def do wolf amoung us I know it’s a tall tail game but it’s a good one n story for it’s time hopefully they can do the new one justice
I am officially starting a Pyramid Head simp club.
Please do. I’d love to join and talk about Masahiro Ito’s design and influence choices to what lead him to make PH have pyramid and all that other fun stuff