Why did God harden Pharaoh's heart? Was it unjust for God to harden the heart of Pharaoh and then punish Egypt for what Pharaoh did as a result of his hardened heart?
I always have had this question for so many years. I've heard many explanations and interpretations and seems not to be right until I heard it from a wise man that makes sense. The Lord hardens Pharoah's heart because the Lord does not want Pharoah to decide to let go of the Israelites just because he is intimidated by the plague but to truly decide to let them go because it is the right thing to do.
@@baldwinthefourth4098 he hardened Pharaoh's heart so he could kill all first born children in Egypt. He didn't choose to soften Pharaoh's heart. He didn't choose to kill Pharaoh.... Nope. Smh... And people will do such amazing mental gymnastics to justify this story...
The same way that the possible unseen presence of a cop car will cause you to obey the speed limit, God's plagues caused Pharoah to give in for relief. Afterwards, he would change his mind because of contempt for God. God's punishment to Pharaoh and his land was proof of His power, which was deserved due to being forewarned. Pharoah's armor of pride and entitlement in the presence God's power and authority was the catalyst of that hardening of his heart. God did not control him like a robot.
As I was reading this book this morning I had the same question…”why would the coach who is coaching his team captain then go move the goal post at the same time making it difficult for his own team to score. I have to constantly remind myself Gods thoughts are much higher and greater than mans thoughts”.. But the question kept lingering so i prayed and i think this question has multiple answers…although yes it could be that God shows his mercy and tolerance even for the greatest sinners but in Exodus 9: 16 it says.. ‘But I have raised you up for this very purpose, that I might show you my power, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the Earth.’ Anyone feel free to elaborate. God bless.
I agree with you, and I would go further to say that the hardening of Pharaoh's heart was part of The Father's judgment plan in carrying out the just judgment against Pharaoh for all evil he had done...for we know Elohim is just!
So the Egyptians should have been able to continue on in their idol worship, human sacrifices, and enslaving other people?...that kind of behaviour is what sounds psychotic to me, people willfully sinning and being evil to others without repercussions.
@@Spiritualchick82 Teach them to not do that, you are god, you can do that. And what if they enslave? the israelites later also enslave a bunch of people, between conquereds and buying them from the people around them. You are absolutely ignorant about ancient egyptian history and culture, and you are not able to realize that the "choosen people" was even worse than the ancient egyptians, and sometimes even directed by god to be a bunch of savages, rapist and enslavers.
Atheists in the comment section sympathizing for an Egyptian pharaoh dictator who was having human sacrifices, enslaving others, killing millions of innocents. Atheists will do anything to try to prove they point.
God controls everything even what the wicked do nothing happens without gods permission even situations you may feel is unjust or shouldn’t happen your not god he is you don’t know why things have to happen for other things to happen. Think about it how can god show you he is good if no one is in a place to be rescued should the person that needs to be rescued call God unjust ? We must maintain that god is good and what ever he does is right. If we had a wicked creator or one that makes mistakes we are surly screwed nature alone will kill us
@bigroyl absolutely not. The action of God do not get a pass just because it's God that's just blind adherence to a belief the story tells of the suffering of the Hebrews at the hands of the wicked Pharoah but God was influencing the Pharoah to act wicked and cause the suffering its clear he was playing both sides to the detremint of the innocent. You say I don't need to know, I demand to know.
1:00 Pharaoh ordered that male Israelite babies be killed at birth on a certain day, because it was prophesized that on that day, a man would be born who would go on to plague Egypt and kill millions of Egyptians. Maybe God either shouldn't have made that prophecy, or he shouldn't have included the killing of millions of Egyptians into the prophecy.
So... if I say some boy my town is gonna be president some day... it's therefore totally justified for someone to mock me and slaughter every living male youth? That's your argument? That God just... shouldn't have?
@@spiffygonzales5899 Oh but you're forgetting that the prophecy includes the killing of Egyptians too. Because you know God loves killing. He also prophesizes that once the Israelites are free, they will leave to commit genocide against two Hebrew tribes in the promised land, and then yet another couple of genocides against nomadic nonbelievers. Because as you know, God loves killing and genocide. This was, after all, God's perfect, flawless, plan.
That’s a fairytale story. Do your research on Egyptian history. There is a real good reason the pharaoh of the Bible was left nameless it’s so you can’t or won’t fact check it.
I think another reason is so Moses can see how horrible pharaoh is, since he keeps trying to convince pharaoh to let them go, and they were brothers even. So maybe god wanted to see the true side of him
This answer leans more on the Calvinistic approach but I understand. It's ok to agree to disagree because we can also read that Pharaoh hardened his heart, in Exodus 8 then God hardened Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9. God showed signs and wonders to Pharaoh to prove His point but Pharaoh rejected it, that's how God hardened his heart.
Are you surprised when you've got apologetics trying to justify genocide? Apologetics, whose sole job is to exclusively justify all the bad things in the Bible. Such as rape, slavery, mass murder, genocide, child sacrifice, mutilation, oppression of women, racism, intolerance, promotion of domestic violence, promotion of violence against children, etc. That is all they do. If you heard a Muslim scholar do the same thing. Would you not speak up? Atheists typically do. Because we don't want that kind of behavior done to any human being.
I compare the Egyptians to those who supported the Nazis and Hitler and it helps me to understand God's actions more. With the Israelites, they show fervent obedience to God, whose detailed instructions about the sacrifice of the lamb seem odd but the lesson is that they must blindly obey, no matter how strange the command. Their obedience and showing of gratitude to God for rescuing them is rewarded. Obedience and gratitude are meant to be fundamental foundations of our faith. What God did to Egypt (note the Egyptian people are perfectly fine with the Israelites being enslaved and they don't revolt against Pharoah) would be more understandable to us in modern times if we thought of Egypt like Germany and Austria and countries who supported Hitler. The Egyptian people ALSO needed a lesson on obedience and fear of the Lord and his dominion over all of earth, not just their king. After Pharoah defies him more than once, God then hardens his heart even more so that God could then use him as a tool. Hardening Pharoah's heart tp justify the plagues is meant to show the Egyptians whose the real Boss and how powerless Pharoah is in comparison. As the video says God could have just wiped them all out, but instead spares them and tries to compell them to recognize Him as their true king. Things went so far that he used the killing of first born sons to wake them up. Their wickedness ran deep.
@@mattr.1887 The fact that the hebrews brought upon the degenerate atrocities upom germany lets be real here the first transgender movement happened in weimar germany because of jewish people like dr magnus hirschfeld and other the other banker tribes running political puppet shows within the country and bleeding the country dry of money the jews have left the grace of god when they denounced jesus as the messiah it literally states jesus boils in excrement and other disgusting bodily fluids in their holy book known as the talmud
Heather you have stated the most ignoramous statement i have ever seen have fun being the cattle goy these people call you behind your very own back they denounced christ as the messiah centuries ago and whatever woes they have had within the past century they have only brought upon themselves by their own actions and that is the truth god has punished the once chosen people for denouncing his own son
My friend of faith, can you do us all a favor and take a step back to be horrified by what you justify? I am a person raised by the teachings of Christ, but when you bring up God and the Nazi's, don't you think you're starting to justify the worst in humanity? We were warned to be wary of such justifications, and I am concerned by your words to the point that I'm worried I'm replying to a demon. Don't make my concerns true, please.
If the allies somehow developed a smart bomb which would kill every firstborn child, doing exactly that with no other damage, would it be right to drop it on Nazi Germany ?
So... it was totally unjust for us to absolutely annihilate Nazi Germany? How about the Khans, the Soviet Union. Would it be unjust if North Korea were destroyed today? Yes, it was just for God to destroy a nation of slavers and warmongers. And even then, he didn't. He punished them for enslaving those who believe in him, and still allowed them to live.
The wages of sin is death. This is biblical law. Don't have to like it, but that's how it is. God makes the rules, not us. He created us, and gave us free will to sin. Just don't cry about it, when it comes time to reap the spiritual bad stuff that come along with it.
@@Spiritualchick82 "This is biblical law. Don't have to like it, but that's how it is. God makes the rules, not us." ALSO "PARAOH DESERVE WHAT HAPPEN TO HIM BECAUSE HE WAS A DICTATOR". If that thing that you say is not what a dictator woudl say, i dont know what else will be.
God is all powerful, but instead of using his power to soften Pharaoh's heart he hardened it. God is loving, but Instead of simply killing Pharaoh because of Pharaoh's crimes (and his hardened heart) he chose to kill every innocent first born child in the land of Egypt. God is all-knowing....but in order to know which children he should spare from his genocidal rage he required his "chosen ones" to put lambs blood over their doors. Pure hypocrisy and extreme cognitive dissonance Even a bad judge knows to punish the actual person accused on the crime Even a bad parent can recognize their own child without any special symbol needed
Sin is knowing good and evil and choosing evil. So an innocent person is someone who has commit no sin or evil. Hell is for people who commit sin. Or the penalty for sin. But you probably already know this just wanted to establish it. So if the children are innocent as you say. If they die they go to heaven because they have commit no wrong and god is just taking back what is his. As we are his creations. So theyre deaths dont really negatively effect the children but the parents because they lost theyre children and the sorrow they feel for losing their children is just because there aint no way they havent sinned because it is in our nature as humans to sin after we inevitability learn good and evil. So the only people punished in the deaths of the so called innocent children are sinners. And sinners deserve bad things because they are sinners.
@@ezclown7755 how would you feel is god killed your first born child because he didn't like the actions of the president of your country (whose heart was "hardened" by that same god )? all the mental gymnastics in the world don't justify that genocidal fairytale
@@ezclown7755 Why do you keep saying "So called" innocent children? I thought their innocence wasn't relevant to your argument. Are perhaps implying that you can somehow be an un-innocent kid?
You literally just proved that there's no such thing as free will for everyone in this religion. God's will matters more than human free will. Thank you for debunking Christianity
I mean this out of respect but It still doesn't sound just to me. God has given us free will to make our own choices in life but the pharaoh didn't seem to make his own choices here.Not only that but babies were killed here. I'm sorry but I'm going to need a better explanation with this story It doesn't seem right what happened to the people of Egypt. Especially the first borns that were killed for the pharaohs heart being hardened by God... I'll just pray and ask God how those plagues are just...
Lol what? So it’s okay for god to manipulate you into doing something bad and punishing you because you’re already a sinner and will be sent to hell? Those are some fancy mental gymnastics people use to make sense of a senseless story.
The Pharoh didn't let them go since they were first enslaved. What, was the Pharoh just gonna let em leave? If you don't believe in God, leave us alone rather than shoving your "totally not religion" down our throats.
@@spiffygonzales5899 Who said anything about the entirety of his reign? It literally says god hardened pharaohs heart so he would say no. Have you read it?
@@cleetusvonbehren8847 bro... are you not paying attention? Pharoh did a bad. God want free his people. Pharoh kept doing a bad. God get angry cuz Pharoh. God harden Pharoh heart. God punish Pharoh for the overwhelming majority of bad he did beforehand. I honestly don't know how to put it to you simpler than that. In order of events. 1. Pharoh enslaves the Jews. 2. Pharoh keeps the Jews enslaved. 3. Pharoh mistreats and abuses the Jews. 4. God hardens pharos heart to say no so that Egypt understands WHY they get punished later (rather than the punishment coming out of the blue or after the Jews are freed) 5. God punished Egypt for what it did to the Jews. 6. Thousands of years later some dude comes up blaming God for 1-3 when God didn't act till 4. simple.
He doesn’t owe anything to people who didn’t believe or accept the first two offers even lied and pretended to agree to get them removed. He was a liar and tried to manipulate God.
Sounds like the logic of an abuser. "It doesn't matter if I made you do this, you need to be punished for it. And just be glad I didn't kill you for it, because that was on the table."
You're the abuser, constantly taking advantage of his goodness and so was Pharaoh. Knowingly or not, he tried God and took advantage of the chances God gave him. There's this thing where we say God brought in the laws so that He would have a reason to punish people or the Israelites when they sinned. Most people would ask, 'why wouldn't he just forgive them?' Think about this like this, a heinous crime was just committed, however, there were no laws against that person or available to convict this person of their crim. We all know it was wrong, but there wasn't any law to prove it, so essentially that person goes scott free. It's also a similar reason to why he brought the laws and why He probably hardened Pharaoh's heart, in addition to the other reasons we conjure up and might never know. Punishing someone for their crimes is not abusive. Taking advantage of the goodness of the God that created you is what is abusive.
"He was a brutal dictator" No, he was a Pharaoh. A king. A dictator is a politician. Pharaoh was never a politician. And every inch of him was created by God.
@@aeonversestudios01 No, the Bible says so. This youtube channel is essentially telling of a Bible that never existed. Christian apologetics is essentially lying to confirm biases and reaffirming belief in what doesn't exist in the Bible. For example, it ignores how the Israelites later commit genocides against numerous other tribes, including settled tribes, nomadic tribes, and even other hebrew tribes. They go on to enslave both hebrews and non-hebrews and God instructs on how hebrews can be slaves for a period of time before needing to be set free, unless you trick them into getting their ears pierced with an awl, after which they will be slaves for life. But non-hebrews will stay enslaved for life no matter what, and any offspring of a non-hebrew slave will inherit the slave status. It was by these laws in the Bible, instructed by God speaking in first person, that slavery in America and other parts of the Christian world was justified.
A pharaoh is equivalent to a dictator. Pharaohs forced others to believe that they were gods. Both force others to serve them, both rule through military might and ideological suppression.
"And satan entered Judas" God mentions that Satan used Judas Jesus Warns judas several times that HE will be the one to betray him, To judas face, Gods mercy and judgment are once again on display. I think the best example of the mysteries of God is in Job, At one point job says to God "For who can argue with you, oh if only there was a mediator between man and God" We know now that God DID send a mediator in Jesus christ who literally "advocates for us" He and the father are one and humans have the Perfect Advocate between God and man and the full payment for our sins. Gods mercy and judgment are both severe. His mercy exceeds all logic to us humans, How can he forgive so fully and ask for faith in return, He gave us a gift and didn't have to. Then you see His judgement, that is also severe. I can't speak with certainty on what Job was saying and only summarized a part I just learned about and do not fully understand the meaning of, But I know that God is SO MUCH MORE in character than people give him at first glance.
@@person8064 Jesus came to fulfill the promise, to die in our place and give salvation to all who believe, He knew the entirety of what was to come, Judas was given a heads up by jesus that someone would betray him but it would be better for that person to have not been born speaking of judgement on this person, Judas already wanted to do it, and satan seen judas as his in, The devil didn't quite know what jesus was up to and assumed his death was a good thing possibly, we don't know, but it ended up leading the devils defeat now that man has a way back to god by faith in christ and what he did on the cross, plus he comes back 3 days later, why would God stop his own perfect plan for humanity. He is a King, the rest of creation is under his rule and his ways are higher than ours.
God is on heaven and on earth. God is the creater and sees everything so God is kinda everywhere at anytime at any place all at once. (sorry if it sounds confusing but God is not like a single human person God is a creater so he is not limited to human's limitations)
@@lovejoy2438 I agree, by continuing and furthering his hardened heart, additional horrible plagues came about Egypt. However, if God wanted to soften his heart, he could have yet chose not to❤️😘
@@anthany4719 God already knew what was in Pharaoh's heart so he allowed it his arrogance and pride plus God wanted to use his arrogance and pride so he and other Egypt will know who true God is.
@@lovejoy2438 exactly, he could have softened his heart but chose to harden his heart on top of what pharoah already did himself so He could further scare the other Egyptians. We are saying the same thing.
It's like you miss the many times before, when Pharaoh was disobedient, proud and uncaring for the lives of the Israelites and even his own people and chastise God for punishing him because He's so open on forgiveness. You judge God for what you wouldn't even judge on others when we're not even equal, even a little bit, to Him or His power. We explain this to people because we don't want Him to come off as a bad God because people like to pick apart His character when it doesn't align with the kind of God they want. God isn't a God you want, but one you need, whether you acknowledge it or not and I hope you do. God doesn't always need to explain Himself because even if He did, you wouldn't be able to understand it or maybe even chose to not understand it like you do now. We catch fishes, he creates a whole planet, a whole world and catches animals bigger than our wildest imagination. Do you know what it means to be able to know about stuff before it happens or never sleep or able to hear the prayers of every single person, and so much more, no, you can't grasp it. My brain stops working when try to get past a certain point, yet you want to use that same brain to judge someone that created you in all your complexities. I mean, free will, so you do you. We defend God because we want to, but in all certainty, He doesn't need it. He's a good God and that should be all you need to know sometimes. Like when you have a good ruler. You don't have to know his day to day. He'll tell you some parts, enough to help you understand, but if you misunderstand from those parts, that's on you, not on them. Or a just judge in a courtroom, he won't tell you his thought process and might not recite all the laws he uses to carry out his judgement, but you will trust and believe in his judgment because he is a just judge. God is a just and good God, and when you accept that I feel a lot of things open up. God even tells us the background of the event before it happens, we just pick and choose which one to like and dislike.
I always have had this question for so many years. I've heard many explanations and interpretations and seems not to be right until I heard it from a wise man that makes sense. The Lord hardens Pharoah's heart because the Lord does not want Pharoah to decide to let go of the Israelites just because he is intimidated by the plague but to truly decide to let them go because it is the right thing to do.
God can't tell the difference between intimidation and true repentance
Lol, so God sent the plagues just for fun, he didn't want them to have any benefit for the Hebrews just harm for all 👍🏾
So for that He sacrifises all the firstborn children in Egypt? Dude...
@@baldwinthefourth4098 he hardened Pharaoh's heart so he could kill all first born children in Egypt. He didn't choose to soften Pharaoh's heart. He didn't choose to kill Pharaoh.... Nope. Smh...
And people will do such amazing mental gymnastics to justify this story...
@@empathicqubitor maybe you can’t
The same way that the possible unseen presence of a cop car will cause you to obey the speed limit, God's plagues caused Pharoah to give in for relief. Afterwards, he would change his mind because of contempt for God. God's punishment to Pharaoh and his land was proof of His power, which was deserved due to being forewarned. Pharoah's armor of pride and entitlement in the presence God's power and authority was the catalyst of that hardening of his heart. God did not control him like a robot.
As I was reading this book this morning I had the same question…”why would the coach who is coaching his team captain then go move the goal post at the same time making it difficult for his own team to score.
I have to constantly remind myself Gods thoughts are much higher and greater than mans thoughts”..
But the question kept lingering so i prayed and i think this question has multiple answers…although yes it could be that God shows his mercy and tolerance even for the greatest sinners but in Exodus 9: 16 it says..
‘But I have raised you up for this very purpose, that I might show you my power, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the Earth.’
Anyone feel free to elaborate. God bless.
Came here expecting damage minimization. Instead what I got was "everyone is a sinner and deserves death". That's damage maximization. I am in awe.
I agree with you, and I would go further to say that the hardening of Pharaoh's heart was part of The Father's judgment plan in carrying out the just judgment against Pharaoh for all evil he had done...for we know Elohim is just!
Exactly this!
"Destroying Egypt" would have been perfectly just? That sounds like something only a psycho would say
Good thing you don't have the nuclear codes
So the Egyptians should have been able to continue on in their idol worship, human sacrifices, and enslaving other people?...that kind of behaviour is what sounds psychotic to me, people willfully sinning and being evil to others without repercussions.
@@Spiritualchick82 Teach them to not do that, you are god, you can do that.
And what if they enslave? the israelites later also enslave a bunch of people, between conquereds and buying them from the people around them. You are absolutely ignorant about ancient egyptian history and culture, and you are not able to realize that the "choosen people" was even worse than the ancient egyptians, and sometimes even directed by god to be a bunch of savages, rapist and enslavers.
@@Spiritualchick82 there were other ways to do it, say god softening the heart of the pharaoh instead of hardening it
Atheists in the comment section sympathizing for an Egyptian pharaoh dictator who was having human sacrifices, enslaving others, killing millions of innocents.
Atheists will do anything to try to prove they point.
Wow, this is going in my "evil in their own words" playlist
What a poor justification for harding his heart. The ultimate gaslight lol
Christians do be whack sometimes.
Christians be whack all the time LOL
@@808nats depressed & cringe
God controls everything even what the wicked do nothing happens without gods permission even situations you may feel is unjust or shouldn’t happen your not god he is you don’t know why things have to happen for other things to happen. Think about it how can god show you he is good if no one is in a place to be rescued should the person that needs to be rescued call God unjust ? We must maintain that god is good and what ever he does is right. If we had a wicked creator or one that makes mistakes we are surly screwed nature alone will kill us
@bigroyl absolutely not. The action of God do not get a pass just because it's God that's just blind adherence to a belief the story tells of the suffering of the Hebrews at the hands of the wicked Pharoah but God was influencing the Pharoah to act wicked and cause the suffering its clear he was playing both sides to the detremint of the innocent. You say I don't need to know, I demand to know.
Mercy he says! You need help son.
Here we go with theology again tried to clean up the terrible mess in the Bible
Thank you so much for this
there were 2 pharoahs in the stoty the first pharoah died wheh moss was in mideian and the secound was the one who moses confronted
You’re adding too much salsa to your taco on this explanation.
1:00 Pharaoh ordered that male Israelite babies be killed at birth on a certain day, because it was prophesized that on that day, a man would be born who would go on to plague Egypt and kill millions of Egyptians.
Maybe God either shouldn't have made that prophecy, or he shouldn't have included the killing of millions of Egyptians into the prophecy.
So... if I say some boy my town is gonna be president some day... it's therefore totally justified for someone to mock me and slaughter every living male youth?
That's your argument? That God just... shouldn't have?
@@spiffygonzales5899 Oh but you're forgetting that the prophecy includes the killing of Egyptians too. Because you know God loves killing. He also prophesizes that once the Israelites are free, they will leave to commit genocide against two Hebrew tribes in the promised land, and then yet another couple of genocides against nomadic nonbelievers. Because as you know, God loves killing and genocide. This was, after all, God's perfect, flawless, plan.
That’s a fairytale story. Do your research on Egyptian history. There is a real good reason the pharaoh of the Bible was left nameless it’s so you can’t or won’t fact check it.
@@hughjanus2781 Bruh its a whole religion💀
Where is it write: "was prophesized that on that day, a man would be born who would go on to plague Egypt and kill millions of Egyptians."?
I think another reason is so Moses can see how horrible pharaoh is, since he keeps trying to convince pharaoh to let them go, and they were brothers even. So maybe god wanted to see the true side of him
It wasn't possible for Pharaoh to let the people go if God hardens his heart so that he will not let them go.
maybe but I feel like its a mix of both
This answer leans more on the Calvinistic approach but I understand. It's ok to agree to disagree because we can also read that Pharaoh hardened his heart, in Exodus 8 then God hardened Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9. God showed signs and wonders to Pharaoh to prove His point but Pharaoh rejected it, that's how God hardened his heart.
Athiests in the chat, as usual.
Are you surprised when you've got apologetics trying to justify genocide?
Apologetics, whose sole job is to exclusively justify all the bad things in the Bible. Such as rape, slavery, mass murder, genocide, child sacrifice, mutilation, oppression of women, racism, intolerance, promotion of domestic violence, promotion of violence against children, etc. That is all they do.
If you heard a Muslim scholar do the same thing. Would you not speak up? Atheists typically do. Because we don't want that kind of behavior done to any human being.
Jewish mythology is really interesting
We have to teach you why you are wrong, and the bible is grotesque, dont blame us, blame your god
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Nah, I blame you.
Yeah because it's interesting even if I don't believe.
I compare the Egyptians to those who supported the Nazis and Hitler and it helps me to understand God's actions more. With the Israelites, they show fervent obedience to God, whose detailed instructions about the sacrifice of the lamb seem odd but the lesson is that they must blindly obey, no matter how strange the command. Their obedience and showing of gratitude to God for rescuing them is rewarded. Obedience and gratitude are meant to be fundamental foundations of our faith.
What God did to Egypt (note the Egyptian people are perfectly fine with the Israelites being enslaved and they don't revolt against Pharoah) would be more understandable to us in modern times if we thought of Egypt like Germany and Austria and countries who supported Hitler. The Egyptian people ALSO needed a lesson on obedience and fear of the Lord and his dominion over all of earth, not just their king. After Pharoah defies him more than once, God then hardens his heart even more so that God could then use him as a tool. Hardening Pharoah's heart tp justify the plagues is meant to show the Egyptians whose the real Boss and how powerless Pharoah is in comparison. As the video says God could have just wiped them all out, but instead spares them and tries to compell them to recognize Him as their true king. Things went so far that he used the killing of first born sons to wake them up. Their wickedness ran deep.
@@mattr.1887 The fact that the hebrews brought upon the degenerate atrocities upom germany lets be real here the first transgender movement happened in weimar germany because of jewish people like dr magnus hirschfeld and other the other banker tribes running political puppet shows within the country and bleeding the country dry of money the jews have left the grace of god when they denounced jesus as the messiah it literally states jesus boils in excrement and other disgusting bodily fluids in their holy book known as the talmud
Heather you have stated the most ignoramous statement i have ever seen have fun being the cattle goy these people call you behind your very own back they denounced christ as the messiah centuries ago and whatever woes they have had within the past century they have only brought upon themselves by their own actions and that is the truth god has punished the once chosen people for denouncing his own son
My friend of faith, can you do us all a favor and take a step back to be horrified by what you justify? I am a person raised by the teachings of Christ, but when you bring up God and the Nazi's, don't you think you're starting to justify the worst in humanity? We were warned to be wary of such justifications, and I am concerned by your words to the point that I'm worried I'm replying to a demon. Don't make my concerns true, please.
If the allies somehow developed a smart bomb which would kill every firstborn child, doing exactly that with no other damage, would it be right to drop it on Nazi Germany ?
2:52 - we have all sinned, punishment is death.
Case closed, I guess we should all just die then. 😕lesson learned.
That scripture is just explaining how sinful we are and how much we need God there’s forgiveness thru Jesus Christ
Helios Grandmother window?
lol I think u missed the whole point
So free wills something God messes with? Makes sense
that's some evil shit you got there - "it's perfectly just to destroy a nation of sinner"
So... it was totally unjust for us to absolutely annihilate Nazi Germany? How about the Khans, the Soviet Union. Would it be unjust if North Korea were destroyed today?
Yes, it was just for God to destroy a nation of slavers and warmongers. And even then, he didn't. He punished them for enslaving those who believe in him, and still allowed them to live.
It's not evil shit. Pls repent of what you said...
The wages of sin is death. This is biblical law. Don't have to like it, but that's how it is. God makes the rules, not us. He created us, and gave us free will to sin. Just don't cry about it, when it comes time to reap the spiritual bad stuff that come along with it.
The wages of sin is not life death but the after life’s death. Damnation!
@@Spiritualchick82 "This is biblical law. Don't have to like it, but that's how it is. God makes the rules, not us."
ALSO
"PARAOH DESERVE WHAT HAPPEN TO HIM BECAUSE HE WAS A DICTATOR".
If that thing that you say is not what a dictator woudl say, i dont know what else will be.
Imagine having to be the bad guy in life to show everyone god. Would be hard to accept truly! Keeps us human in the presence of god
God is all powerful, but instead of using his power to soften Pharaoh's heart he hardened it. God is loving, but Instead of simply killing Pharaoh because of Pharaoh's crimes (and his hardened heart) he chose to kill every innocent first born child in the land of Egypt. God is all-knowing....but in order to know which children he should spare from his genocidal rage he required his "chosen ones" to put lambs blood over their doors.
Pure hypocrisy and extreme cognitive dissonance
Even a bad judge knows to punish the actual person accused on the crime
Even a bad parent can recognize their own child without any special symbol needed
Sin is knowing good and evil and choosing evil.
So an innocent person is someone who has commit no sin or evil.
Hell is for people who commit sin. Or the penalty for sin.
But you probably already know this just wanted to establish it.
So if the children are innocent as you say. If they die they go to heaven because they have commit no wrong and god is just taking back what is his. As we are his creations. So theyre deaths dont really negatively effect the children but the parents because they lost theyre children and the sorrow they feel for losing their children is just because there aint no way they havent sinned because it is in our nature as humans to sin after we inevitability learn good and evil. So the only people punished in the deaths of the so called innocent children are sinners. And sinners deserve bad things because they are sinners.
@@ezclown7755 how would you feel is god killed your first born child because he didn't like the actions of the president of your country (whose heart was "hardened" by that same god )? all the mental gymnastics in the world don't justify that genocidal fairytale
@@ezclown7755 Why do you keep saying "So called" innocent children? I thought their innocence wasn't relevant to your argument. Are perhaps implying that you can somehow be an un-innocent kid?
You literally just proved that there's no such thing as free will for everyone in this religion.
God's will matters more than human free will. Thank you for debunking Christianity
I mean this out of respect but It still doesn't sound just to me. God has given us free will to make our own choices in life but the pharaoh didn't seem to make his own choices here.Not only that but babies were killed here. I'm sorry but I'm going to need a better explanation with this story It doesn't seem right what happened to the people of Egypt. Especially the first borns that were killed for the pharaohs heart being hardened by God... I'll just pray and ask God how those plagues are just...
So you are okay pharaoh killing babies and God is the life giver and he gives and he can take.
Because god is all powerful and he could of wiped them all out it's just... Okay, that's what tyrants think but okay.
According to scripture, the pharaoh Moses went to was not the same pharaoh whose heart “GOD” harden. 🤔
Lol what? So it’s okay for god to manipulate you into doing something bad and punishing you because you’re already a sinner and will be sent to hell? Those are some fancy mental gymnastics people use to make sense of a senseless story.
The Pharoh didn't let them go since they were first enslaved. What, was the Pharoh just gonna let em leave?
If you don't believe in God, leave us alone rather than shoving your "totally not religion" down our throats.
@@spiffygonzales5899 I don’t believe you’re god. Of course pharaoh wasn’t going to let them go, god hardened his heart. He didn’t have a choice
@@cleetusvonbehren8847
No, God did NOT harden his heart for the literal entirety of his reign. For decades he kept them as slaves. That is on him.
@@spiffygonzales5899 Who said anything about the entirety of his reign? It literally says god hardened pharaohs heart so he would say no. Have you read it?
@@cleetusvonbehren8847
bro... are you not paying attention?
Pharoh did a bad.
God want free his people.
Pharoh kept doing a bad.
God get angry cuz Pharoh.
God harden Pharoh heart.
God punish Pharoh for the overwhelming majority of bad he did beforehand.
I honestly don't know how to put it to you simpler than that.
In order of events.
1. Pharoh enslaves the Jews.
2. Pharoh keeps the Jews enslaved.
3. Pharoh mistreats and abuses the Jews.
4. God hardens pharos heart to say no so that Egypt understands WHY they get punished later (rather than the punishment coming out of the blue or after the Jews are freed)
5. God punished Egypt for what it did to the Jews.
6. Thousands of years later some dude comes up blaming God for 1-3 when God didn't act till 4.
simple.
He doesn’t owe anything to people who didn’t believe or accept the first two offers even lied and pretended to agree to get them removed. He was a liar and tried to manipulate God.
So killing all the Egyptian first borns was just then was it? Face it, God is just another vicious demagogue.
Sounds like the Gods of Ancient Rome and Greece. Similar behavior. I guess we don’t really have free will.
sounds like putin.......and ukraine
Sounds like the logic of an abuser.
"It doesn't matter if I made you do this, you need to be punished for it. And just be glad I didn't kill you for it, because that was on the table."
cringe
You're the abuser, constantly taking advantage of his goodness and so was Pharaoh. Knowingly or not, he tried God and took advantage of the chances God gave him. There's this thing where we say God brought in the laws so that He would have a reason to punish people or the Israelites when they sinned. Most people would ask, 'why wouldn't he just forgive them?' Think about this like this, a heinous crime was just committed, however, there were no laws against that person or available to convict this person of their crim. We all know it was wrong, but there wasn't any law to prove it, so essentially that person goes scott free. It's also a similar reason to why he brought the laws and why He probably hardened Pharaoh's heart, in addition to the other reasons we conjure up and might never know. Punishing someone for their crimes is not abusive. Taking advantage of the goodness of the God that created you is what is abusive.
"He was a brutal dictator"
No, he was a Pharaoh. A king. A dictator is a politician. Pharaoh was never a politician.
And every inch of him was created by God.
Dislocated your shoulder reaching for that argument.
@@aeonversestudios01 No, the Bible says so. This youtube channel is essentially telling of a Bible that never existed.
Christian apologetics is essentially lying to confirm biases and reaffirming belief in what doesn't exist in the Bible.
For example, it ignores how the Israelites later commit genocides against numerous other tribes, including settled tribes, nomadic tribes, and even other hebrew tribes. They go on to enslave both hebrews and non-hebrews and God instructs on how hebrews can be slaves for a period of time before needing to be set free, unless you trick them into getting their ears pierced with an awl, after which they will be slaves for life.
But non-hebrews will stay enslaved for life no matter what, and any offspring of a non-hebrew slave will inherit the slave status.
It was by these laws in the Bible, instructed by God speaking in first person, that slavery in America and other parts of the Christian world was justified.
A pharaoh is equivalent to a dictator. Pharaohs forced others to believe that they were gods. Both force others to serve them, both rule through military might and ideological suppression.
@@spiffygonzales5899 Who created pharaoh?
@@Thor.Jorgensen
God. He also gave him free will. Meaning anything the Pharoh does is on him
I love the mental gymnastics
Are you saying that the Pharaoh’s were white?
Man, this was truly terrible. Your justification sounds like an abusive bf who beats up his gf and blames her for causing him to do that
Why anyone thinks this clown is worth following is beyond me.
and then, why not just harden Judas's heart too?
DUN dun dun . . . .
"And satan entered Judas"
God mentions that Satan used Judas
Jesus Warns judas several times that HE will be the one to betray him, To judas face,
Gods mercy and judgment are once again on display. I think the best example of the mysteries of God
is in Job, At one point job says to God "For who can argue with you, oh if only there was a mediator between man and God" We know now that God DID send a mediator in Jesus christ who literally "advocates for us" He and the father are one and humans have the Perfect Advocate between God and man and the full payment for our sins.
Gods mercy and judgment are both severe. His mercy exceeds all logic to us humans, How can he forgive so fully and ask for faith in return, He gave us a gift and didn't have to. Then you see His judgement, that is also severe.
I can't speak with certainty on what Job was saying and only summarized a part I just learned about and do not fully understand the meaning of, But I know that God is SO MUCH MORE in character than people give him at first glance.
Amen
@@jsbaldo5556 so why did god not enter Judas and kick Satan out?
@@person8064 Jesus came to fulfill the promise, to die in our place and give salvation to all who believe, He knew the entirety of what was to come, Judas was given a heads up by jesus that someone would betray him but it would be better for that person to have not been born speaking of judgement on this person, Judas already wanted to do it, and satan seen judas as his in, The devil didn't quite know what jesus was up to and assumed his death was a good thing possibly, we don't know, but it ended up leading the devils defeat now that man has a way back to god by faith in christ and what he did on the cross, plus he comes back 3 days later, why would God stop his own perfect plan for humanity. He is a King, the rest of creation is under his rule and his ways are higher than ours.
So is he in heaven or not?
God is on heaven and on earth. God is the creater and sees everything so God is kinda everywhere at anytime at any place all at once. (sorry if it sounds confusing but God is not like a single human person God is a creater so he is not limited to human's limitations)
I think cause Pharaoh will not change God just let him be.
God…can do anything if he wanted to change Pharoahs actions He could. He chose not to.
@@anthany4719because God was allowing his pride and arrogance to come out.
@@lovejoy2438 I agree, by continuing and furthering his hardened heart, additional horrible plagues came about Egypt. However, if God wanted to soften his heart, he could have yet chose not to❤️😘
@@anthany4719 God already knew what was in Pharaoh's heart so he allowed it his arrogance and pride plus God wanted to use his arrogance and pride so he and other Egypt will know who true God is.
@@lovejoy2438 exactly, he could have softened his heart but chose to harden his heart on top of what pharoah already did himself so He could further scare the other Egyptians. We are saying the same thing.
Maybe it’s just mythology, and never happened
😊
Romans 1
I prefer being a cold blooded hearted person than believe in a god who won’t help me defeat a person taller than me
No wonder He lets you get beaten up.
@@Rotisiv 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Fake news
Got it so genocide is justified because God.
God gives life in the first place
It's like you miss the many times before, when Pharaoh was disobedient, proud and uncaring for the lives of the Israelites and even his own people and chastise God for punishing him because He's so open on forgiveness. You judge God for what you wouldn't even judge on others when we're not even equal, even a little bit, to Him or His power. We explain this to people because we don't want Him to come off as a bad God because people like to pick apart His character when it doesn't align with the kind of God they want. God isn't a God you want, but one you need, whether you acknowledge it or not and I hope you do. God doesn't always need to explain Himself because even if He did, you wouldn't be able to understand it or maybe even chose to not understand it like you do now. We catch fishes, he creates a whole planet, a whole world and catches animals bigger than our wildest imagination. Do you know what it means to be able to know about stuff before it happens or never sleep or able to hear the prayers of every single person, and so much more, no, you can't grasp it. My brain stops working when try to get past a certain point, yet you want to use that same brain to judge someone that created you in all your complexities. I mean, free will, so you do you. We defend God because we want to, but in all certainty, He doesn't need it. He's a good God and that should be all you need to know sometimes. Like when you have a good ruler. You don't have to know his day to day. He'll tell you some parts, enough to help you understand, but if you misunderstand from those parts, that's on you, not on them. Or a just judge in a courtroom, he won't tell you his thought process and might not recite all the laws he uses to carry out his judgement, but you will trust and believe in his judgment because he is a just judge. God is a just and good God, and when you accept that I feel a lot of things open up. God even tells us the background of the event before it happens, we just pick and choose which one to like and dislike.
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