heres one other argument for gyros aghs. the gunnar attacks even while you are stunned. so when you have scepter + daedalus + satanic your gunnar can literally keep you alive while you are cc'd
My guesses Before watching the video or reading the comments. Let's see how many I get right: Shadow Fiend Alchemist Luna Medusa Gyrocopter P.S. these are the ONLY carries that are being picked in PGL Wallachia. Not boring at all...
@@asdf-z6h ofc it works during omnislash. Everything does. BF used to work during bladestorm too, but no longer. Mjolnir however does work. Mjolnir also does magic dmg which means enemy has to deal with your right clicks as well as magic dmg procs. Mjolnir gives you attack speed and everything jugg has scales with attack speed. His 1st spell dmg depends on attack speed, his omnislash dmg depends on attack speed more than dmg, his BAT is fastest in the game (base - not counting spells like alche ult) so he benefits more from attack speed than any other hero. And the more attack speed you have the more mjolnir will proc and more dmg you will deal. A jugg with swift blink, butterfly and mjolnir does almost 4k dmg during bladefury. A jugg with 2 rapiers and bfury does 1k dmg during it. And once omnislash ends (which is mostly used to eliminate 1 key hero) you are left with right clicks which can be kited, and bladestorm which does shitton of dmg with correct build.
7:36. Gyro has 1.7 Base Attack Time, 90% of heroes has 1.7 BAT. What fast about Gyrocopter's attack is Attack Animation time. Juggernaut and Anti-mage has 1.4 Base Attack Time which means they have +21% attack more than other heroes having same attack speed number (400 attack Jugger attacks 20.6% faster than Gyro, Drow, Ursa Medusa, Mirana, Viper etc.). For example, 260 attack speed hero, hit 1 time every 0.65 seconds. With same 260 attack speed, Juggernaut and Anti-mage 1 hit per 0.54 seconds. Juggernaut and Anti Mage procs more with Mijoinir thanks to his 1.4 BAT. Even Jugger not buying Mijoinir shows that Mijoinir is death item.
I mean jugg is quite shit anyway so he doesnt really see that much spotlight. But im pretty sure jugg's most popular build in recent times is building a mjolnir so idk about that honestly
@@BlueFlash215 Before that, +100 attack speed item shown as +121 attack speed when it is builded to Juggernaut. Now it is different, when Jugger buy 100 attack speed item, Jugger attack increase 100 like other heroes. However, Jugger attack speed is still +21% faster just before. This extra +21% attack speed is indicated in parentheses. Alchemist ulti is similar. It decrease BAT to 1 from 1.7 which is 70% attack speed. BAT is much better than regular attack speed bonus because regular attack speed bonus has limit of 700 attack speed. With BAT, hero can exceed 700 attack, like Jugger having 850 attack and Alchemist having 1190 attack speed practically. Also attack speed items gives more attack speed to lower BAT heroes. Jugger gains 21% more attack speed from attack speed items. Terrorblade similarly gains +13% attack speed from AS items. This doesn't mean that low BAT have to buy full attack speed items. It is not. Normal 100/130 attack damage/speed ratio rule still applies. However Mijoinir is better item for them. Basher could be better too but basher has big cooldown unfortunately.
Seems like you feel the tempo heroes are still top tier. I feel recently in the lower mmrs games have been going longer. Do u think maybe the slower carries are better here, having great success w naix especially. N spec
Am I the only one enjoying Arc Warden, I played it aggressively. By going Gleipneir, I usually go for Atos first instead of maelstrom, by that I keep ganking using gate. I usually snowball with this item transition. Its just I quite having a hard time whenever I got hard counter.
Question everyone I'm still quite new to the game and I'm tryna ask how do you do the thing at 5:44 thing since I'm having a hard time playing range heros and also kiting enemies while maintaining my dps
Really disliking this meta. Most agi carries don't feel fun to play. When offlaners scale better than most carries I think we have issues. Reduce the cost of battlefury, or change the requirements, so we have don't have to play a literal perfect start to the game to have a chance at surviving this 12 min deathball meta. ZZZZZZZZZZZ
@calvinoleary yea I've started just playing mid's and offlaners as carry. I'm only in Guardian, so 90% of the games I don't have support, which makes agi carries even worse. Having success with Sand king tbh, farms fast, just needs to hit level 3. Teamfights, pushes can solo kill, scales well. Universal as well so you can flex your build based on how useless your team is.
how tf you in a deathball meta in GUARDIAN (im in that rank too) every game is at minimum 40 minutes unless i turbo win my offlane and enemy carry dces
@tri3sweat from min 12 onward man I have 5 people on my head no matter if I go to back jungle, farm opposite side of the map, etc. Usually win lane then they identify it and hunt me. Meanwhile my supports are jungling, not warding, and don't TP. I digress, I had a 20+ game loose streak of this from guardian 5 to 1. Bad luck at a certain point. Just started playing my staple heroes Sand King, Spectra, Windjammer, and it's turning around.
I don't even see a point with blink anymore unless you're an offlaner or need the extra hp from strength blink but even still if you have bkb you will survive most fights. I just find silver edge so much more useful because of the break and damage it gives you. For a carry anway.
Is this video already outdated? I'm coming back to Dota and the heroes mentioned here don't have high win rates compared to zoo heroes. Apparently, zoo meta is back since like the last few weeks or something.
Can we talk about how RIDICULOUS it is that WK has been about TOP 5 best WR hero, SINCE DOTA 2 CREATION ? He has been a 1 spell hero for a very long time, and even now it's quite a no brain hero, and yet having such WR is kinda ridiculous... Especially when on the other hand, there is other heroes which recquire way more skills but get nerf as soon as they hit a bit above 53% WR...
@@Beltron3030 SF is getting played as pos 1 with the left facet you just go full right click. threads -> mom -> dragon lance -> pike/sb -> crystalys/bkb -> butterfly/satanic
I don't get how Dusa is in here. She feels awful, Doesn't do any damage without Rapier or Daedalus I literally never see her dominate in any games she's in. Her one redeeming quality is she is easy to lane with
I've won 9 out of 11 games with him, only lost twice to AM, which was just poor drafting by me. You can bully even the tankiest of pos 3s in lane and are very hard to kill. Your weakest point is around the time you're about to get Manta and the following minutes after it, while farming for butterfly/skadi.
lost with her all games. 0 damage input with manta buttrfly and needs to play 4 vs 5 before she getz slota so me as playing 3 pos seeing her as loss in every game
@@ne_kerovanyi maybe you guys are just playing her wrong, team comp diff, or your item timings are slow. because a good game you can have 18 mins manta + butterfly/skadi, a bad game you can have 21-23mins manta + butterfly/skadi + daedalus. I mean just like speed said you can do whatever damage item build you want shadow blade / diffusal etc. her mystic snake and volley arrows are plenty damage also as long as you hit them.
so boring..... top tier carries recommended in those videos havent changed in 6months. how miserable do you have to be to constantly pick luna, gyro and medusa to gain a little MMR at the cost of absolute boredom 🤣
@@woosh_mk5160 if youre lucky. in most games the whole team flames you cause youre underfamred cause your suport in lane didnt pull and went on feeding spree:)
@@Internet_Enjoyer You are lucky that your supports at least fighting. My support only make creep pulling and never harrass enemy heroes and never fights enemy heroes with me. They are creep puller bots.
heres one other argument for gyros aghs. the gunnar attacks even while you are stunned. so when you have scepter + daedalus + satanic your gunnar can literally keep you alive while you are cc'd
Comment with the most likes is herald rank
Uh huh
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"Comment with the most likes is herald rank" Then, he edits it when he gets 100 likes
Congratulations you played yourself
@@Cain_69nope i dont think so
Io is truly the best one
My guesses Before watching the video or reading the comments. Let's see how many I get right:
Shadow Fiend
Alchemist
Luna
Medusa
Gyrocopter
P.S. these are the ONLY carries that are being picked in PGL Wallachia. Not boring at all...
4/5
Sf is pretty good but not that easy to play even though it's a auto attacking bot hero.
Finally someone realized the power of mjolnir. Jugg with mjolnir alone will outdmg 3 juggs with bfury. It is not even close.
@@asdf-z6h ofc it works during omnislash. Everything does. BF used to work during bladestorm too, but no longer. Mjolnir however does work. Mjolnir also does magic dmg which means enemy has to deal with your right clicks as well as magic dmg procs. Mjolnir gives you attack speed and everything jugg has scales with attack speed. His 1st spell dmg depends on attack speed, his omnislash dmg depends on attack speed more than dmg, his BAT is fastest in the game (base - not counting spells like alche ult) so he benefits more from attack speed than any other hero. And the more attack speed you have the more mjolnir will proc and more dmg you will deal. A jugg with swift blink, butterfly and mjolnir does almost 4k dmg during bladefury. A jugg with 2 rapiers and bfury does 1k dmg during it. And once omnislash ends (which is mostly used to eliminate 1 key hero) you are left with right clicks which can be kited, and bladestorm which does shitton of dmg with correct build.
Don't sleep on muerta buff ult, 8sec lvl1 is OP!!
7:36. Gyro has 1.7 Base Attack Time, 90% of heroes has 1.7 BAT. What fast about Gyrocopter's attack is Attack Animation time. Juggernaut and Anti-mage has 1.4 Base Attack Time which means they have +21% attack more than other heroes having same attack speed number (400 attack Jugger attacks 20.6% faster than Gyro, Drow, Ursa Medusa, Mirana, Viper etc.). For example, 260 attack speed hero, hit 1 time every 0.65 seconds. With same 260 attack speed, Juggernaut and Anti-mage 1 hit per 0.54 seconds.
Juggernaut and Anti Mage procs more with Mijoinir thanks to his 1.4 BAT. Even Jugger not buying Mijoinir shows that Mijoinir is death item.
I mean jugg is quite shit anyway so he doesnt really see that much spotlight. But im pretty sure jugg's most popular build in recent times is building a mjolnir so idk about that honestly
Wasn't patch 7.37 (a-d?) that from now on the attack speed is correctly shown due to a BAT rework?
@@BlueFlash215 they just change the display, the BAT system still remain the same
@@BlueFlash215 Before that, +100 attack speed item shown as +121 attack speed when it is builded to Juggernaut. Now it is different, when Jugger buy 100 attack speed item, Jugger attack increase 100 like other heroes. However, Jugger attack speed is still +21% faster just before.
This extra +21% attack speed is indicated in parentheses. Alchemist ulti is similar. It decrease BAT to 1 from 1.7 which is 70% attack speed. BAT is much better than regular attack speed bonus because regular attack speed bonus has limit of 700 attack speed. With BAT, hero can exceed 700 attack, like Jugger having 850 attack and Alchemist having 1190 attack speed practically. Also attack speed items gives more attack speed to lower BAT heroes. Jugger gains 21% more attack speed from attack speed items. Terrorblade similarly gains +13% attack speed from AS items.
This doesn't mean that low BAT have to buy full attack speed items. It is not. Normal 100/130 attack damage/speed ratio rule still applies.
However Mijoinir is better item for them. Basher could be better too but basher has big cooldown unfortunately.
I love to see who new heroes are poping into the meta now, love your videos Velocidad!
Razor offlane is a good pick? What's the build, auras or carry?
Mijoinir is strong in only early-mid game. Other builds scales better, like dragon lance, MoM, sange yasha (or manta style), bkb, deadalous etc.
Seems like you feel the tempo heroes are still top tier. I feel recently in the lower mmrs games have been going longer. Do u think maybe the slower carries are better here, having great success w naix especially. N spec
I don't know why, but I love playing tb in this pach
Is Speed confusing Mjolnir with Gleipnir? because in the videos he shows there's no mjolnirs
sure mjolnir does a lot of damage but the problem is most offlaners are buying pipe now.
gyro aghs imo is for 2 things:
1. Best buildup for dps increase at that time
2. Aghs with satanic is insanely powerful
Imma go ahead and say Soul Ring on Medusa is a pretty dope item
nice, waiting for mid tierlist
14:06 wtf that mag and centaur died at the same time almost has the same animation
hahahahah thank you
Am I the only one enjoying Arc Warden, I played it aggressively.
By going Gleipneir, I usually go for Atos first instead of maelstrom, by that I keep ganking using gate. I usually snowball with this item transition. Its just I quite having a hard time whenever I got hard counter.
look at this guy, he discovered most broken midlaner
Question everyone I'm still quite new to the game and I'm tryna ask how do you do the thing at 5:44 thing since I'm having a hard time playing range heros and also kiting enemies while maintaining my dps
looks like he pressed A on the ground.
Really disliking this meta. Most agi carries don't feel fun to play. When offlaners scale better than most carries I think we have issues. Reduce the cost of battlefury, or change the requirements, so we have don't have to play a literal perfect start to the game to have a chance at surviving this 12 min deathball meta. ZZZZZZZZZZZ
I agree bro, it’s been annoying as hell… I mostly play off lane because of this now.
@calvinoleary yea I've started just playing mid's and offlaners as carry. I'm only in Guardian, so 90% of the games I don't have support, which makes agi carries even worse. Having success with Sand king tbh, farms fast, just needs to hit level 3. Teamfights, pushes can solo kill, scales well. Universal as well so you can flex your build based on how useless your team is.
how tf you in a deathball meta in GUARDIAN (im in that rank too) every game is at minimum 40 minutes unless i turbo win my offlane and enemy carry dces
@tri3sweat from min 12 onward man I have 5 people on my head no matter if I go to back jungle, farm opposite side of the map, etc. Usually win lane then they identify it and hunt me. Meanwhile my supports are jungling, not warding, and don't TP.
I digress, I had a 20+ game loose streak of this from guardian 5 to 1. Bad luck at a certain point. Just started playing my staple heroes Sand King, Spectra, Windjammer, and it's turning around.
All I wanna say is fuck Doom
I don't even see a point with blink anymore unless you're an offlaner or need the extra hp from strength blink but even still if you have bkb you will survive most fights. I just find silver edge so much more useful because of the break and damage it gives you. For a carry anway.
Mid heroes please
Thanks Speed
Next one gotta be the POS1 tier list...
Alchi is almost compete, if he disambles radiance into nullifier+butterfly and buys the 5 aghses… he made it till the end..
I've been seeing a lot of muerta lately, any thoughts?
Is this video already outdated? I'm coming back to Dota and the heroes mentioned here don't have high win rates compared to zoo heroes. Apparently, zoo meta is back since like the last few weeks or something.
lmao the first video in my reccomendation and im not mad
ah my boy ls and my girl wr are not in this list ,what a shame valve nerf them badly
Parker did gyro lance skadi against tundra - to counter LS - but it feels so strong
Show the item image when you talk about them.
No sf is criminal 💀
Can we talk about how RIDICULOUS it is that WK has been about TOP 5 best WR hero, SINCE DOTA 2 CREATION ?
He has been a 1 spell hero for a very long time, and even now it's quite a no brain hero, and yet having such WR is kinda ridiculous...
Especially when on the other hand, there is other heroes which recquire way more skills but get nerf as soon as they hit a bit above 53% WR...
Main reason - Stun, lifesteal, crit and 2nd life
Hes such a stupid hero. 2 lifes, ghost form after dying etc.
it is because he is unplayable in pro scene / high mmr. he is mostly a good hero in low mmr.
Best HC is SF. SO OP can win a game alone
Where is SF tho? It slams in immortal ranks, at least 5-7k pubs
This is a safelane vid lol not mid
@@Beltron3030 He is played as safe carry 50% of the time, currently.
@@Beltron3030 SF is getting played as pos 1 with the left facet you just go full right click. threads -> mom -> dragon lance -> pike/sb -> crystalys/bkb -> butterfly/satanic
i think speeeed muted rtz😂
I'm banning Drow just that my team mates won't pick her
don't sleep on spectre, it is absolutely plaguing my 9k pub games
if you cant counter spec in 9k mmr then you shouldnt be 9k
It must be hard being this stupid
@@amindaoudi6778 bait used to be believable
@@amindaoudi6778 and how you counter it?
What the build your seeing on spec?
never compliment gyro again NEVER NEVVVER
The best pos 1 this patch is viper. Mark my words👌👌.
i am 10.5k but i suck man, i have ranked anxiety. im even invited too a team...fk
i played it last game
i gave -20 enemy in a package.
I don't get how Dusa is in here. She feels awful, Doesn't do any damage without Rapier or Daedalus I literally never see her dominate in any games she's in. Her one redeeming quality is she is easy to lane with
I've won 9 out of 11 games with him, only lost twice to AM, which was just poor drafting by me. You can bully even the tankiest of pos 3s in lane and are very hard to kill. Your weakest point is around the time you're about to get Manta and the following minutes after it, while farming for butterfly/skadi.
lost with her all games. 0 damage input with manta buttrfly and needs to play 4 vs 5 before she getz slota so me as playing 3 pos seeing her as loss in every game
Yeah I think SF is way easier to pull off, and quicker. Literally two hit people with a daedulus.
@@ne_kerovanyi maybe you guys are just playing her wrong, team comp diff, or your item timings are slow. because a good game you can have 18 mins manta + butterfly/skadi, a bad game you can have 21-23mins manta + butterfly/skadi + daedalus. I mean just like speed said you can do whatever damage item build you want shadow blade / diffusal etc. her mystic snake and volley arrows are plenty damage also as long as you hit them.
no lifestealer? hero is top 5-10 in every tier.... phase, radiance, s and y minute 20 try to kill him
Day 95 of asking speed to play position 1 Ip
do the MID also
Yeah sidestep is great. If only people weren't baited into using the other shitty facet by tortedelini.
The heck thats me in last minute im the lion
io is the best, just face it speed.
This rank was biased (just a bit)
Hola
Need for mid
GYRO MAEL IS THE WORST THING I'VE EVER HEARD BEFORE???ARE YOU SERIOUSS???
gyro is trash
STOP WITH THE GYRO SIMPING MY GOODNESS!!!!!
ljk
Where's Marci?
are u joking
marci carry is only really good when paired with io
@@Obiru3 But then you don't have carry IO
@@barczi8 I play this a lot with a friend of mine. Io carry and marci pos 5
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so boring..... top tier carries recommended in those videos havent changed in 6months. how miserable do you have to be to constantly pick luna, gyro and medusa to gain a little MMR at the cost of absolute boredom 🤣
Noone can convince me carry isnt the most boring hero role, ooga booga hit creeps all game
If i wanted PvE i’d play a different game
@@rmac0101 because you get to 1 shot the whole enemy team. this is why I play carry
@@woosh_mk5160 if youre lucky. in most games the whole team flames you cause youre underfamred cause your suport in lane didnt pull and went on feeding spree:)
@@Internet_Enjoyer You are lucky that your supports at least fighting. My support only make creep pulling and never harrass enemy heroes and never fights enemy heroes with me. They are creep puller bots.
@@Asterix958 I think you two might have a skill issue