Cheap vs Expensive Wine - What You're Missing
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- Опубликовано: 19 апр 2024
- $7 vs $75 wine taste test - Madeline Puckette slams down the facts (and the wines) and fills up our glasses with sweet berry knowledge. Read more here: winefolly.com/tutorial/why-is...
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As a wine newbie (less than a month since turning legal) I'm super impressed with how many scents and flavors you can take out of a wine and hope I can get to that point someday!
As a self described rookie, thank you for putting out this video.
I always have a problem trying to break down and explain to my friends why my wife and I pay $20 to $50 for bottles of wine in Washington from local wine makers.
I'm just gonna go ahead and point them to your video....lol
I would love to taste that $75 wine! Sounds fabulous. But I wouldn't be opposed to the $7 wine! Generally I stock up on wines between $7-$20 for anytime drinking and I buy bottles $25 and over for more special occasions! Although I have never spent more than $40 on a bottle... sorry, I am a cheap, cheap lady! But it is amazing what you can get for under $20 if you know what your looking for ;)
Not to worry, I think you can do great for under $40. Honestly, that's where I primarily shop too. You're not cheap!
It's even funnier when you invite friends over and tell them they're having the expensive wine... until you tell them they were actually having a $5 bottle. Or viceversa. I've seen people pan an Paul Hobbs.Pinot Noir and go crazy over a $5 Frontera After Midnight.
North of $20 is too much. There's fun in finding a good bottle at $15
New subscriber from Julian’s review of your book...bing watching! I am a wine enthusiast who loves to learn all the time.
People ask me this question all the time...is it really 10 times better.
I laughed so much when I heard you say it is 4 times better with a chuckle.
The truth is that they are definitely way better...but the price premium, as in all luxury items, is due to scarcity of product vs demand for them.
Thank you for your approachable videos. I love to encourage people to learn about wine to enjoy them
Have you ever considered getting together with Comedy Central and doing a Drunk History epesode?
Just got into wine a couple of months ago and have purchased the master guide wine folly. I started off with alot of cheap wines to try and decide what kinds I liked and have been slowly moving up in types I enjoyed. Thank you so much for all of your videos.
Tony, same here. I feel as if I will "waste" very good wine as I get my learner's permit while figuring out what variety I might like. So I'm starting with the cheaper stuff and going from there. There is just so. Much. To. Learn. I'm a bit overwhelmed. Thanks yo Wine Folly, I'm finding my way...🍷
@@l.varner9729 yes exactly. I didn't want to spend big bucks on something I might not like. Like I don't like a burst of oak flavor. A little is ok but I wanted to play it safe and figure out what I like first. Glad I'm not the only one
Great channel, great video. Thank you so much for your work!
Maybe next time you could record a blind tasting and make an analysis of which wine is better than the other one and how it is related to price?
now THAT would be worth it.
Exactly. Double blind tasting would be way more informative.
Thank you so much for a great informative presentation....
Good job Madeline :) Love Wine Folly and your vids. You keep it simple and real which I like. Cheers from your newest, biggest Wine Folly fan :) - Jim
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Just saw you on Somm 3. Awesome channel. Appreciate your education and will use your channel to enjoy wine!
YOU ARE AWESOME!! these are the best video for learning .. thanks!!!!! You are very good at this.
Thank you! Loved this video
Great material Madeline, tkz cheers🍷👏👏👏👏
Thank you for your video, this is really helping me in my final yr in collage in Dublin Ireland. Your website is excellent, so thank you very much...
You have a wonderful personality and I really like your videos about red wine, so you have a new subscriber. Greetings from the UK.
Loved the way she looked and sounded that already had tried other bottles.
Great comparison video!
Great info. I always learn new terminology from these videos. "Punt"
The bottle comparison is hilarious! I've never actually done a side by side. Holy crap!
Great video! Thanks!
Well, Maddy, you set yourself up for a daunting challenge. I think we all take for granted that there is not a direct correlation between the price of a wine and its flavor/satisfaction quotient. However, as a general rule, the more a wine costs, the more complex and interesting it should be. Next time you spend $75 on a bottle (of red), give me a call and I will be glad to come over and validate your findings!
We have something called Chaimans selection and Chaimans advantage in our wine stores which is basically odd lots that are bought up and not part of the usual inventory. Once in awhile there are certain wines around or under $10 (yes, $10) that are unbelievable for the price but usually unremarkable in the following vintage. They are a steal in value and taste. Once the caterers find them, they're gone.
Thank you for the wine taste test, and the cost of bottle, barrels, etc.
I completely agree with you, much more expensive doesn't mean more quality. We import lots of Italian wines to China each year.
Knowing my bottle is expensive excites me a lot which can quickly lead to annoyance if it’s not perfect. That has happened a lot.
Her Charisma is off the charts.
I was waiting to c more varieties of wine she only talked about one cheap n one expensive!
🍇🍷🍺 Personally I'm glad that you found something interesting about both wines.🍷🍷 Additionally I f found it of particular interest that you not only compared both wines but explained why the more expensive wine cost more money! I'm one of the people who can find something to like about most wines. & I appreciate each Style of wine for what it's has to offer. Same with 🍺 beer. I personally feel that wine has a lot of growth potential over the next 2 years. 🍷 Now wine trends see more expensive red wines gaining 2016 thru 2018. I feel that the new & most significant growth lies with Millenniumals. The wine industry is already adjusting packaging to Target Millenniumals, brighter colors with darker label background. With all that being said, the growth lies in more affordable wines, & possible also weed infused wines also fruit enhanced wines. 🍷 The problem with wine today is Wine Snobs. Saying that less expensive wines are junk!!! The thing I find ironic is that most ironic is that the wine industry is moving away from Snobs. & Looking to make selection of wines eaiser, via APS. 🍇🍷 Cheers 🍻🍷🍷
I am a complete layman about any of this. I am personally fond of Sensi Chianti, Valpolicella Ripasso, or Bourgogne. Those are not very expensive. And I really have no say in the matter @ knowledge. But do you know of those? I might be a bit crude/uninformed about my wine tastes, but I really love those three. :)
Great job 👍 madam I'm from India we new to red 🍒 wines
For long time I'm looking for a channel like that
Thanks 🙏 for information
Fancy in this case needs to be understood as better quality. A good looking cork is not necessary a better closure but a more expensive/better cork is a better closure and it will ensure the wine ages better and for a longer time.
Real estate taxes, grape prices/better quality grapes, lower yields, better packaging, better winemaking, concentration of aromas and flavors, new oak, 16 to 24 months aging, etc, makes a wine better. Great video.
I'm a little skeptical without blind tasting them myself. I've seen the study that shows your brain believes wines taste better when you know you spent more for them, and in this case I'd be pretty upset paying that much more and my brain telling me it sucked. Supply, demand, marketing (including a much heftier bottle with such a deep punt!) and other factors can push the price of any wine beyond it's limit. I respect you for being honest about it not being worth 10x more. I really enjoy your candidness, keep up the great work! I love your videos and you have such a fun personality, I always enjoy watching. Thanks Madeline!
I've had great wines I paid $10 for and bad wines that cost $100+. You have to be honest with yourself.
Thanks for all those details Madeline. I believe much more criteria have to be taken in account.. Cost of production very high in California vs fairly good in Italy. Taste of everybody is different as well..
hundreds of California producers using high toxicity/pesticide vs a little healthier in Italy..
After years of Sommelier in US and in Europe, it's obvious that American wine can improve in prices although the quality is good and continuously improving. I find CA wines very heavy and not as sophisticated as Oregon/WA/Long Island are doing.
I love you are pointing this out. Yes, we have a lot to learn :)
I hope there’s another boom in PN. I really want to see Oregon wine overtake Washington for the number 2 wine producer in the US. (Nothing is gonna top California)
And with very good wine the second glass is even better. More saturation of all the flavors. Also Pahlmayer is much more sought after sonit costs more. With expensive Ewing’s I pour small amounts into a good glass and savor it. A good stopper means I can drink it for 2 or 3 evenings. Your first wine is a barbecue wine.
Well played
Also have to take in to consideration, the quantity available for sale. supply demand balance adds to the price as well.
It certainly does if the wine is allocated!! I just looked at pricing for Petrus recently and was shocked to see how much it has increased!
I always fine the best bottles of red sit between $40 ~ $60. However Sassicaia 14’ is a bad ass wine .
we need to know about pairing them with food
is a ferrari 10 times better than top lexus or holiday in australia better than same in greece!?
Pahlmeyer The King of Napa Merlot Waters Ranch Atlas Peak@ 1200’ ft. Elevation perched above Stagecoach Vineyard ❤🍷
Love the videos (and EVERYTHING else)!
Age old question and thankfully it will always feel not entirely answered. Marketing, materials, consumer maturity (palate and otherwise).
I guess the only way to find out for sure is to keep on tasting ;)
Great review. You said the expensive wine tasted 4 times as good (not 10 times as good), but I’d bet the cost is huge to get any wine to taste “only” 4 times better. Better grapes, better vineyard, addition of other expensive grapes, etc. Anyone can make juice and ferment it. Making that juice tell you stories as you drink it...well, that’s not cheap.
You’re amazing! Love all of your videos, and you’re super cute :)
Of course ( even obviously!) it's also a case of supply & demand; Pahlmeyer is made in much smaller quantities but demand is probably high.
Great video. I love your style. I always say quality over quantity.
Why does she remind me of Alyson Hannigan
YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. (I JUST TRIED AN 1980 LAFITE AND CAN SAY IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE)
You know the only price I will pay for wine , or I should say the highest I will go to pay for wine, will be $15. We all love a good quality red wine but if it's $25 or $30 I'm going to go the direction of $15 and under. Good video.
Hard to get the oak and quality that most people want for $15 a bottle. Still, I get your point, wine is a grocery with a cap value.
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I agree with you. Love your videos. 👍
If you do your shopping correctly, you can find many sales of $20 wines with five dollars off and such. Some great wines to be had in this price category, it is what I mostly drink.
@@barrycohen311
Good point. I'll definitely be on the hunt.
Salvi has good brunello too
Is it fair to say that Napa wines especially, and Cali wines in general, with high land and labor costs, have higher base costs than old world wines, where the land has typically been in the family forever and where labor isn't as expensive?
don't cheap-out when gifting a bottle. That's where pricepoint shines through
Very educational, however, will be better if grapes fron same region are compared. Better said a cheap merlot from Cali against the Pmayer, or a supertuscan with the cheap merlot. Thank you anyways for the info
Yep, If you feel the difference justifies the price variation - buy it (if you can afford it). I've had wine at 200+ per bottle and the same varietal at 45 and cannot justify the 155 difference and I can afford it but when throw good money away?
word. won't disagree with that.
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Easy. See a bottle of French bubbly eg Moet on the shelf, but buy Aussie sparkly like Hardy's instead.
It is exactly the same flavour maybe even better, but half price or lower. Sometimes you can buy 2 for 1.
So the moral of the story if you want French wine but its not salary day, buy Aussie wines instead. (I think Australian wines are French owned? Can someone elaborate on this?)
I only buy French wine myself for my guests, I am tee-total. But Hardy's tastes exactly like Moet - do a blind tasting. There may be a USA equivalent.
What I am saying that if I was running a business and wanted French wine quality but cheaper I would certainly ensure Aussie wines were purchased by my Sommelier and part of my cellar.
so far, for me and Australian reds. AU$10 will buy a "drinkable" wine. Pay double to 3 times more and you WILL taste the driiference. However after that? for age for age you are now paying for the label or the boutique winery HAS to charge more to make ends meet and has little to do with quality.
Why were there 5000 cuts during the video?
Blind tastes Tests suggests that the most expert of wine experts can't tell the difference between a cheap or an expensive wine 🤷🏾
Don't look further:
Spanish wine is the best on the world:
Quality affordable priced.example:
-Rioja
-Valdepenas
Indeed, the best bottle I had in years was a 2002 Rioja Gran Reserva, which only cost me $29 Canadian dollars. If you wanted to have a vintage of that year from France, Italie or California, you'd have to pay at least four times as much. The Catalans also make the best sparkling wine (for the money anyway), namely Cava.
truth. glad you appreciated Spanish wines. good video. Regards
I love a good red wine. I brought a £7 gallo family Merlot, it was the most disgusting wine I’ve tasted ever. If that was my first taste of red, I would have never tried red again.
I think I'm in love.
Agree. She's adorable ))
Length? Girth? Punt?
And if it was a blind tasting what would your observations be?
oak vs no oak would have been one of the biggest observations. As would ripeness profile of the fruit.
I’ve been drinking fine wines for over 50 years, and have a theory that drinking cheaply made wines will “dumb down” one’s palate. Sure, one can find a really good wine every once in awhile in the cheap wine category, but there are a whole lot of frogs that require kissing. That is because little attention is paid to the multitude of variables that can affect the making of good more expensive wines. Quantity and profit are the main goals of cheap wines. More expensive wines generally are made with more attention paid to wine making variables. The specific terroir, vineyard management, harvesting, the education and experience of the wine maker, all of the complexities in the wine making process...etc. Sure, one will find frogs in the more expensive category, too...but you’re apt to find a whole lot more princes. In drinking cheap wines, your palate changes or gets used to the inferior product of a less dedicated and professional wine making effort. You begin to accept low quality as the norm and you are more easily satisfied by all of the frequent frogs that you kiss. Simply put, one can train one’s palate to be ever more accepting of cheap wine the more that one drink it. This is an insidious decline that one probably never realize is happening. It is a choice that many people make, for many different reasons...and that’s okay. However, if one chooses to drink cheap wine, just don’t presume to tell people that there is no difference between cheap and expensive...because there really is, but they just don’t know any better. There really is a difference between actual and perceived quality in wine, just like in many other tangible things. Eating at McDonalds really isn’t the same as dining at Ruth Chris, unless your only criterion is a full belly.
I'd say the biggest factors in the price of a given bottle are the relative scarcity and demand for the region where it was produced and the quality of the vineyard where the grapes are coming from. So if want a quality Barolo, for example, you're looking at $40 on up. Contrast that to some of the most sought after Bordeaux wines from the most well known producers and you're talking hundreds and thousands of dollars. Not to say some of these Bordeaux wines aren't divine, but the price is now being HEAVILY skewed by growing markets in Asia and investors. And a quick fuck you to investors looking to profit off of these wines and don't plan on ever drinking them 😊
4:10 really?
Sounds like I'd be happy with the cheap bottle I like wines that show their grape characters.
Is the wine massive thooooo
An expert wino's opinion. Expensive wine tastes better than cheap wine. But it doesn't taste 10X or 100X better. That's the price difference for expensive wine.
I say that enjoy a wine is personal
so the price nothing to do with his
take a Chateau Sisqueille Rivesaltes 1941 and a Chilean $ 15 which would be better thank you...
Sry, but you didn't mention anything about ageing potential :/
Comparing a cheap Tuscan to a Napa valley wine??? So much of the description is way beyond what 99.5% of people can relate to as well. Sheesh.
Not gonna lie, I never beleive people when they say they can smell all of those aromas from the wine. Seems ridiculous.
And you’re right.
The world of wine is a complex word rules by Marketing,money and many many many power influences behind.
Very controlled by money, influences, as with French wines for example...often we are almost forced to describe aromas and notes that do not exist in wines because wood or soils do not influence the aromas as much as they want people to believe although there are more complex wines than others...
@@Soulvinum There are certainly wines that are more complex than others. A nice Barolo or a 100 dollar Bordeaux will be much more complex than a cheap red blend from California no doubt. But people sometimes say they are getting like 6 or 7 different aromas and I am just like....BS lol
@@jeremybamgbade as you know in France like Bourgogne or in Bordeaux you can pay 100 or even 3000 dollars for a Petrus (pomerol) and just 2 kilometres away you can find the same grape,the same terroir, the same climat ,the same wine process,the same maturation or aging for. 1/3 of the price with the same notes, the same characteristics,the same complexity as a 100 or even 900 dollar wine… there is so many speculation around the wines that you cannot imagine…or maybe yes…
@@Soulvinum All good points!
Hmm, I don't agree much with you on this video and the conclusions. You should have compared wines from the same winnery and same grapes but different prices, and you would have found many different factors that would explain the price difference much better, including marketing reasons apart from real cost producing, grapes selection, scarcity, etc
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I can't smell or taste those complex scents and flavors, so I go with the cheap stuff.
Even if you can't smell/taste banana flavor in wine, you can still enjoy a better wine imo.
Surely you've got to decant a bottle at that price or you're really not getting the whole story? I'm finding some reds need a good 2 hours in the decanter before they're worth drinking, I've even started decanting my more expensive whites, I can't stand the taste of a tight wine straight from the bottle, such a waste.
Slavonian not Slovenian :D
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All I know is red wine's good and all else's bad
Can't tell a difference
It would be more equal to compare the same or similar vintages since age affects wine considerably in so many ways! Not fair to compare a young wine to a more developed one! At least discuss it so your viewers can learn that distinction too.
Your feedback is noted! 2 years in bottle can make a bit of a difference in softening the taste profile. That being said, the major points in this video still hold true.
@@Winefolly yes, very good overall just a point for improvement for new aspiring wine lovers !
I'm a wine expert,and trust me,that expensive wine shouldn't be that expensive.Remember one thing.There is bigger difference in quality between $20 and $5 wine than between $20 and $100 wine.Those extremely expensive wines are for rich people or for fools.
In wine experts we trust!
@@Winefolly 🙂 Maybe you got me wrong.It was my advice to people who watch this.I've nothing against you.And yes,I am an expert,even if you've never heard of me.I just wrote what I think.I tried some of best wines,but I've almost never bought a bottle of wine that costs more than 20€.It's not that I can't,I just don't think it's reasonable.Especially for average consumers.It's similar with other drinks.Should you give an extra money for XO Cognac,or should you buy an V.S.O.P.?XO is clearly better,but is it that much better?And I can find excellent wines for 15-20€.So,I would give 30€ for some great wine,but 80 or 100...no.For 50€ I can get some very good champagne,and even that should cost less.But hey,some people give 1000000$ for a picture,just because of exclusivity,so...
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la manière de déguster, juste du n’importe quoi. C’est pas un bain de bouche, elle ne fait pas de rétro-olfaction et regarder cette tête au moment où elle avale et fait un grand « aaaah », ça en dit long...
Haha, yeah, it looks like she's using Listerine! And the comparision of the bottles is just ridiculous
She looked like she was going to puke after drinking the cheap wine
I am disappointed in your comparison. This is. not an expensive apple to cheap apple comparison, but more an apple to a pear. Italian wines are so much different than California. What you should have done was taken either a cheap CA Merlot with an expensive one or did the same with a Toscana.
Never trust a slurring drunk lady 😂
You didn't clear your palette before tasting the other wine...Shame.
Wow, she seemed very drunk during the start of the vid here(Edit note: this could have been a late night production as well, and she might have been exhausted). I watched some of her other ones and she is much more coherent. I wonder if this was just a spur of the moment or something that took a few too many takes.
Those wines were really MD 20/20.
I hope it's blind tasted though
It’s the same thing with chicks
Wine price is a rip off: I bet that you would come up with different results if I was to pour the same wine in two identical glasses and tell you that one glass is $7 and the other is $70 !
Jack : If they want to drink Merlot, we're drinking Merlot.
Miles Raymond : No, if anyone orders Merlot, I'm leaving.
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I can never take it seriously when people are describing all these ridiculous flavors they are tasting or smelling. I love drinking wine but I either like it or don’t like it and thats about as far as it goes for me. Same with enthusiasts tasting coffee, telling me they taste vanilla and chocolate and berries and whatever. I’m like, are you fucking serious? 😂 It’s more about training your brain to make you believe you actually taste or smell all that imo lol.
sometimes you can even feel a summer night's dream, or a lover's regret out of a glass of wine.
Poor choices for comparison.Also ,the word "cheap" is not appropriate to describe any wine which was rated 87 points out of 100.The more proper word would be "inexpensive."
Most of the Italian wines in the price category between $7 - $13.00 would be slightly tart with strong bold acidity due to the content of the Italian soils.Most of the wine in this price category won't be aged.But they are solid,well structured table wines and especially they well paired with steaks and venison.Their acidity cut well through the protein of the meat dishes and clean individual palate well after each bite.Perfect wine to have with goulash, bbq ribs,strong cheeses,tomato based pasta.
The wine from California can't be compared to Lavischio Merlot as it is different country,climate,juice,different way of maturation,different grape......and so on and on....
Price of wine often indicated based on vintage,harvest of the particular vintage,aging/or not aging,the method grapes were picked,on method of maturation and many many other factors.
Wines,all wines are very different just as circumstances in life and people in those circumstances.Wine is alive material and is still maturing as most of us browse in the wine stores while choosing them. There are alive people,many people behind production of the wines and all those people in production also very different.There are no cheap or expensive wines,good or bad based on price:all of the wines great if it suits you palate.
The only wine which does not deserve any attention is mass production of big companies,such as Barefoot,Yellow Tale to name a few.Are they palatable? Probably.Are they quality? Doubt very much.This is my thoughts. n which it was produce and many other factors.
Booooooooring. You're the reason why people think wine is only for the upper class and haughty... you totally missed the purpose of those videos which is to popularize and make wine more accessible ... go back to your palace while we'll drink wine and enjoy life
@@BlackFaceTrudeau please,read carefully my comment.And by the way,why you are getting personal? You can watch any video you want and I can have my opinion.I work in wine industry for 29 years and can repeat myself: comparing inexpensive table wine to a California limited production simply not right.This type of comparison does not make justice to either of the examples.All wines are very different and when wines reach certain price category usually there is a good reason for it.If one desire to make wine more accessible they shouldn't do it by criticizing more expensive wine and sound as price for the expensive wine is not justify.In my profession I taste zillion bottle of wines and each producer,each wine regardless of price deserve attention.As I said ,the only wine I ignore is the one of a mass production.
for a retired guy on a pension you can't beat the Almaden 5 liter boxed merlot from South Africa. Last boxes I bought were $9.95 . It was smoother than quite a few $ 8 - $10 bottles . MY piss poor daughter could afford $45-$50 bottles of Napa Valley and Paso Robles wines. @@marialutsenko7904
@@Tony-hx2fj, Are you that juice for this box wine come from South Africa? Or you think so ,because it written on a Box ? most of the wine box ,such as Peter Vella,Almaden & Franzia made by Gallo Company and the amount they produce makes me doubt very much what type of grapes in those boxes and how much sugars added.If we take any of this boxes to independent laboratory,only then we can talk confidence about the content of the box . If the content of Almaden satisfy you then go ahead and keep on drinking it,but hopefully you will come to the point and will decide to improve your taste.There are many Box Wine on a market which deserve attention.Hopefully you can manage to cut out a few extra dollars and try some other Box Wines. All wines are different in taste and price and there are reasons for it.
HI, I just checked the box. It is says it is a product of South Africa and imported and packaged by Almaden wineries Ripon CA. As I am having a glass now, it is much ,much , better than the $7-$9 bottles that I treat myself with. I enjoy good wine like the next person, but as I drink about 500 ml per day, I need to drink cheap as I can
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You keep swishing your wine like that, and you’ll get lip wrinkles😗😖
If I get wrinkles from wine tasting I'll be quite proud. ;)
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no such thing as "cheap" It's "Inexpensive" !