Testing a 90 Degree Bevel Blade and Why You Should Be Using One
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
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Today we’re testing out a 90 degree bevel on a low angle hand plane blade. This thing is a beast at tough grain. I’ve never been able to plane zebrawood successfully and this thing did an incredible job getting a finish ready surface. Please subscribe, comment and like. Thanks for watching!
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Thanks bud! I try to get them out as fast as possible!
I use and like handscrapers and scraperplanes very much in finishing difficult woods and shapes of furniture
where a normal plane can"t perform.
In my Lie-Nielsen 164 low angle smoother plane the 90 degree bevel blade works amazingly.
It turns this even so perfect smoother in a quality scraper as well.
I did a video on the 90 degree blade. So awesome!
I initially ground the blade to 90 degrees. It would not cut. I found that this was not a steep enough angle to present to the wood (102 degrees). I normally hold my card scrapper at about 112 degrees. I ground the front of the blade at 10 degrees to get 112 degrees presentation angle. This worked perfectly.
That was my thought. How do you hobe a 90 degree blade easily? I might hone my spare blade to something like 70 degrees so i have an 83 degree cutting angle. Any suggestions on this. I imagine 83 degrees would cut difficult grain well.
I found nothing takes old paint off old wood faster than a very sharp 90° scrapper. I made it out of a (1/4", 2 x 5) steel coupon. It lifts paint without gouging the wood surface. Ever since I've been a big fan of that 90° angle. Try it you'll like it.
Good video. That was a pretty quick look at the "finished" difference.
Man, I have red oak slab with burls and different grain directions I've been struggling with, this would help so much
I own a Lie Nielsen 62 and had no idea there was such a blade option. Thanks!
There isn’t anymore for some reason. Probably not because it doesn’t work but rather because folks wouldn’t pony up the cash for what “seemed” like a pricey gamble not to mention other choices like scraper planes etc.
Wow that joker works great. Keep up the great work with the vids my friend. Thanks for the shout out
thanks for sending it out bud!
Excellent video. I’m hoping to get to the point where I can start getting some hand planes. Up to now I’ve been mostly a power tool user. Videos like that are helping me over the edge of that slippery slope.
It's a great way to get a great finish with limited knowledge of hand tools. Cheers!
Looks like he discontinued the blade? I don’t see it on the website anymore. Thanks
Thanks for your videos. I know this is an old post, but maybe you still monitor the activity. The 90 degree blade looks like a very promising solution to wild grain, but I don't think an experienced woodworker would even attempt zebrawood with a plane using a 37 degree cutting angle (12 degree bed angle + 25 degree sharpening angle) A better (more useful?) comparison would have been with a 50 degree set-up. (12 degree bed angle + 38 degree sharpening angle )
12 + 38 is my default setup. I couldn't imagine going lower
Very interesting! I'd be interested to see the scraper iron vs a high angle frog in a no. 4. The low angle jack with a 25 degree bevel would already be at a disadvantage in highly figured woods, amiright?
I think anyone who can plane zebra wood is my hero hahaha. I've literally never done it without tear out but I'm probably not a genius at setting up a hand plane. I'll have to do a follow up comparing the 2. It honestly produced one of the fastest finish ready surfaces I've ever seen. Loved your leather video today!
Awesome tip Jonathan. BTW, your videos are getting refined and better consistently. God Bless
Thanks so much Sam! I really appreciate it!
Interesting..I'll have to give that a try.thanks for the heads up Johnathan
Thanks Joe! It's great!
Can you give more direction on how to sharpen the 90 degree beveled blade? Thanks!!
Nice, Very Nice !
That would work on Red Cedar due to the grain change at knots !
Vince Presto I'm working with Spanish right now and it does. It amazing
I don't have a low angle jack yet, I don't have any planes worth mentioning but the laj is been on my mind for a year and a half.
Carbonite Gamorrean you should get one. They're great!
Disabled without income makes getting tools a real pita.
I've got the veritas low angle jack and it's the plane I use the most, even for jointing.
love your vids man could watch all day
Thay means a lot Chris. Thank you so much!
I like video, like the zebra wood. Awesome
You can do the same thing! With a 45 degree micro bevel on your blade
If you flip the blade 180 when you are grinding, you don't need to treat the back at all
NEXT VIDIEO! TESTING A 200 DOGREE BLADE! TURN YOUR LOW AGLE TO A BEVEL DOWN BLANE!
Does anyone know if you can do this with a bevel down plane? (ie a standard plane). By the math you would need a 65ish degree bevel on your blade, but would it actually work?
So you just flatten the blade? You don’t burnish in a hook like a scraper?
That's a very cool idea!
Hahaha I was literally watching your veneering video when I saw this comment. Good advice. Working on a humidor for my next video.
Katz-Moses Woodworking Shop That's quite a coincidence! 😂😂
Jack Bench Woodworking seriously. Broke my brain.
Hello. I hace a doubt. I bought a low angle smoother plane with LV. In the order i put that i wanted a toothed blade, but instead the toothed blade, the hand plane came with a 38 degrees blade(i also have one of this)
In that moment i remembered your video(that i have seen time ago)
So what do you recomend me? Regrind it to make a scraper blade or return it?
Great video! Looking to step up my hand tool game I’ve got a few block planes. What would you recommend someone buy after block plane?
SE Collectiv a no 62 and a #4. In that order
Will this blade fit in Stanley No. 62?
Just curious. How would Zebrawood look with a 50 degree blade in a BU smoother? I have the Veritas Smoother and the 50 degree blade w micro bevel produces glass smooth surface in extremely curly maple.
I don't think Veritas offers a 90degree blade and I don't have a slow speed grinder...
Seems like you should give it a go
I am currently using the low angle jack and 50 degree blade on a zebrawood build. Not ideal - still tearout. Going to grind a blade to 90 and try it.
Veritas Scraper plane knocks this gimmicky blade senseless.
have you got hands and sandpaper? you don't have to grind it all the way back
Dumb question: How do you sharpen it? And should you burnish a hook burr on it like a No. 80 cabinet scraper?
Cos Pittner nope. Just lap the back and deburr the from. It's super easy. Highly reccomend
thank you great info
Walter Rider cheers Walter
thank you i am an old geeze broke down so i got some toys ( wood working ) so lots to learn thank you
What type of wood is that?
Would this work with any quality blade? Just work a 90 degree edge on the front (1/8th?), de-burr and load into a low angle plane?
Joe Wampler yep. Highly reccomend it
You could regrind any ordinary blade and it would save you money on a scraper plane . Although scraper planes are better because they are considerably wider than ordinary planes .Plus you can bow the blade on a "proper" scraper plane and finally of course they are MUCH faster due to the fact the blades are not 2" wide but 3". RIGHT TOOL FOR THR RIGHT JOB
102 degrees not 112. Nice vid though, thanks.
Russ staples you passed the test! ;-) (whoops)
I am having a lot of trouble with curly maple, and I need a hand plane to flatten the top of a dresser I am building. Would this be a good option to avoid tear out?
Definitely
We knew what you meant but 90 plus 12 equals 102 not 112 degrees……..just joshing ya’ dude……interesting video 😂
Does the scraper blade fit the Stanley no 62 you have linked in the description? The Lie-Nielsen’s look beautiful but at 2x the price I may have to stick with Stanley.
Brian Boccia it does not unfortunately. I have both but was bummed that it didn't fit
Do you need to burr the blade like a scrapper?
Does Veritas have a 90 degree blade?
I have their 50 degree and it works great on figured maple
JKN N I'm not sure but I've heard the 50 is great
Zebra wood remined me the olive tree wood. I have never seen any one using olive tree to make stuff on yt. But its very common in turkey. So here's the question; is there a special reason for american woodworkers don't use olive tree?
A late reply, but the answer would be the opposite for your situation: there are very few places olive trees can grow in the US. Olive wood is certainly available, but most of it must be imported leading to much higher prices compared with local hardwoods.
I have been saving up to get a Scraper plane because I do a fair amount of marquetry. Do you think this would work well for leveling marquetry designs where the grain directions can literally be going in every direction or would a dedicated Scraper plane still be better in this situation?
Zac Bell I think this would work great. It takes such a fine shaving effortlessly
This blade is not adjustable . You can BOW a proper scraper plane blade. Keep saving. My Veritas scraper plane is fantastic AND the blades are 3 ins wide not 2.
I've decided that I need to buy a hand plane, but I don't know enough about them to know what I need. I guess I'll have to do some research.
BTW, the intro music sounded a lot like Stevie Ray Vaughn and I was wondering if it was? Soundhound didn't pick it up so I'm not sure.
Get a number 62 like the one I used here. Stanley makes one as well. Very very versatile. Not Stevie but definetely sounds like him
Thanks for the recommendation, I'll have to get one some day soon, I hope. I wasn't sure if it was Stevie, so I had to ask. Thanks.
It's from a license free music site I subscribe to so I don;t even know who it was hahaha
Depends what wood you are working on. If you are working on wood with consistent grain a Stanley-Bailey pattern n 4 or 5 will work. If you are working highly figured wood then the 62 is the one you should get. The Bailey pattern can be set up to work with wild grain but required more know how.
Lee Valley Veritas LA BU jack is identical and $30 cheaper.
English plane maker Bill Carter has been an advocate of this for decades. He has a video here: ruclips.net/video/re_bp5Lp0To/видео.html His channel -- which is sadly underappreciated -- has a huge trove of information about making metal miter planes & related stuff. A mind dump of 60 years of experience... Clyde
Anyone tried that with normal plane by turning the bevel up like in a low angle plain and maybe using ~60 degree sharpening angle.
At a 90+ degreas attack angle the blade is no longer cutting the wood fibres but instead pushing and crushing them and that would put a great stress on the edge. My unqualified guess is that you run a high risk of bending the edge due to the limited support behind it on a normal plane with a steeper frog angle. But I haven't tried it, I'm only speculating.
Stefan Eriksson agree. You'd probably just roll the edge over immediately
did you really mean 60° sharpening angle? or 60° contact angle? i.e taking the bed into account. Having different blades with different sharpening angles is pretty standard with a low angle jack and it should work with figured wood.
Yes, I meant 60 degree sharpening angle. Combine that with regular plane 45 degree frog and you'll get 105 degree contact angle with wood. Would be quite close to the one in the vid.
Of course blade is thinner, edge is sharper and forces against the blade are more perpendicular than on the one in the vid, so breaking the blade is a real possibility.
Why would you use a 25 degree blade? that's just tear out guaranteed. Isn't a 38 degree blade the proper blade to use in this situation?
3:05 - What a wobbly set-up you've got there !
The whole thing moves as you work.
Seems totally unsuitable for planing work.
Why would you plane atop a stack of sheet goods when you seem to have a proper bench underneath there ?
Fallen for the 'traditional workholding' bullshit ?
The 90 degree iron is interesting, though.
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I thought this was a joke from the thumbnail
Why not use the side of a normal plane iron lmao
Sooo, ya’ just rub the back of the blade on the stone to sharpen and that’s it? You’re not really teaching, you’re just ‘selling’.
I am just as sorry as I can be here and I'm not sure if its where you have your mic placed/attached or what but dude the way breathing makes this video unwatchable for me.