im just going to say hahaha, u manged to get one spot right paly n prolly munk to but sirusly its the munk! druids whont come in the real prime untill the 2 last raids of the expansion (like every singel expansion), DH needs more gear cinda like palas, so more mid tiers n only 2 hige tier, DK n pala hero classes for the win
finally someone talking seriously about the tank ranking, i really was looking forward to this review. thank you very much bro, it really helped me. see you on the streams. lov it
Maining Guardian Druid, and it feels so satisfying and powerful and fun this xpac after it was shitty in WoD. We will start progress tonight on heroics, with the tanks being 2 Guardian Druids, me and my co-tank. It happened this way we didn't really mean for it to be with 2 guardians, so I'm glad they are considered kinda one of the best in progress, feels safer for progression now.
I know you've said people viewing might not necessarily agree, I play a DH tank an tanked all mythic, cleared normal an progressing heroic now, I agree in the sense of that DH tanks are great for dungeon an arguably one of the best picks yet still great for raiding in my opinion
Since the ignore pain nerf today, would you still place warriors in the top tier? 2/3 of what it used to be. I MT as a bear personally, but have a warrior I'm bringing up for an alt raid.
I have had issues finding people to raid with at first just because i was a VDH . The first reply to anything a VDH might say in his defense is "oh but think about Cenarius and the spear". When i finally found a guild who accepted me on EN they all freaked out thinking about Cenarius. And so i just told them to watch and be patient. My gear was not excellent at the time, but i had just the right trinkets and talents(i never use guides, i prefer to think things through in my own way). After the spear hit me, the pool on the ground was tiny. No healer complained about me, i told them to not panic if my health bounces a lot, since i build up souls for barrier and healing, they were all happy to see Cenarius presenting no issue for me (or any other boss). So i have gained their trust, i am a MT for their raid, and i managed to change their minds about VDH. And i always hold the bosses since holding adds is a bit of an issue for me (first time tanking..ever) It all depends who is behind the keyboard, and how the character is being played. But i do agree on one thing, it takes a shit ton of planning ahead and CD calculations to maintain yourself on magic damage...
Finally someone who nailed the pally tank on the head. I love pally tanking and have been doing it for quite some time. And I've pointed that in this expansion I feel vulnerable or squishy at times if I don't have any dmg reduction moves. They do luckily have a variety to choose from, but they have long cd's (feels like forever in tough fights) and don't last long. So they definitely need to be spread out properly. I just dread when someone pulls a extra mob or two by accident in higher mythic dungeons. I can tank them, but if it's not ended fast I'm sweating under the pressure of staying alive. hahaha
great video,but i have a question its been a debate about the warrior best stats,for me im going vers-mastery-haste but for others are haste-mastery-vers. what do u think abot this and what the most better stats for warrior and why ? thanks
Hey thanks for the positive feedback, you can find my Warrior stat prio and reasoning here; ruclips.net/video/LvWSHC9WdhE/видео.html Haste -> Vers = mastery -> crit
for lower levels and leveling yes but at max level vers beats haste youll get enough haste out of gems enchants and the gear to not have to stack it. my haste is high enough with my heavy reprecusions i can keep both shield block and ignore pain up almost 100%
Brewmaster is fine but extremely reliant on a healer. If anything brewmaster needs a damage CD, raid utility, and prob another major defense CD to be competitive
after a certain ilvl BrM just isn't worth it, you end up putting to much stress onto your healers. i honestly cringe at this fact, i use to main BrM but this change in legion... if only we stayed the same as we were in WoD. Hell i'd actually be happy if those stupid brews were changed up a bit. hell even our mastery... like really... change to dodge one attack? OOOhhh so viable... lol... well at least we are still in a better spot then Frost DK's
Flora My experience was actually different. When running specific stats and HT talent then healers have little to no issue with healing you. Just steady consistent healing without capping out the BrM hp and he does fine. Then again it's counter productive to be floating hp for a tank sometimes... gj blizzard
Well I personally play a DK and my guild went through all of normal emerald nightmare a few hours ago, but then again the off tank was a warrior and that 3% leech from inspiring presence help a considerable amount. but you are right I felt like I was taking too much damage when tanking some fights as a DK.
wrong. my warrior sometimes runs second in healing or even first in mythic dungeons thats 3% off all damage you deal each second well for everyone except the warrior its actually a pretty useful raid heal for a passive
thats what we called number padding, 3% of your attack to healing wont save you from any notable raid damage mechanic, its just there to PAD Number, get it?
Me and my raid group roll with a pally main tank and me (demon hunter) off tank, we dont really stick to conventional "Main tank" roles as i usually keep main target aggro and the trick with vengeance is just to make sure that demon spikes is active as much as possible and you wait till five souls to then soul cleave, sorts out all low health situations and I managed to take xavius without the pally at about 1/3 health due to him dying
For all the DH who seem braindead and are like, hurrdurr my tank is good i tank heroics and mythic dungeons fine. This isnt about mythic dungeons or heroics. If you put a DH in a high tier mythic + and he tries to pull large trash packs like Warrior/Paladin/Druid do. He will literally just fall over and die before he ramps his healing high enough. You will press demon spikes, and just die. This has been how DH has worked since beta, and how they work now. They are very very very weak at tanking high tier progression. But they crush anything they overgear and have the opportunity to ramp off of.
been trying out vengeance DH last few days, it brokenly fun lol. the self healing is pretty crazy, especially once you get the artifact traits up to get burn damage = heals
I like how my guild has Main tank Monk and Offtank DK, and we're progressing just fine, without having tank problems, so tbh i dont get your point on monks.
the trinket procs so well i forgot the name of it. i think drop dht or somewhere. if you crit it reduces their damage %2 its very good at keystones. and aoe damages procs all mobs hit % 2 less which means lot of smoothness
Been tanking as DH lately, haven't had much issue. Though I will agree with your opinion and views on it. Wish we had a little more damage mitigation or means of being a wee bit more "tanky"
This. Demon Hunter tank feels more like a dps trying to tank than an actual tank holding threat and working through damage. I feel like their upside is being able to just burn through a fight so that proactive mitigation doesn't come up often enough to be an issue. It works fine in 5 mans but I would not feel comfortable trying to play one in anything other than maybe LFR
thanks for the amazing video, may I know whats the addon you use playing on the druid ? the spells , cds , health bar , energy in the middle of the screen? please !
Good video thank you for it! I've been trying to hone in on a tank to play...currently DK main but the tanking just is relatively underwhelming to me. I get hit like a truck most of time and the lack of (legit zero cds) i find very punishing when things go wrong. Battle rez really stands out as only WOW one. Just wondering you mentioned Monk being low tier and as fight goes on...the damage isn't as smooth. I was just curious if you could further explain why that occurs? I understand the nature of DHs given they also lack CDs n rely heavily on self heal similar to DK. However; with Monk i'm a bit curious as to why that happens and since you don't play monk heavily where you are pulling this from? BTW no way trying to challenge what you're saying. I actually do not have a clue...just looking for more concrete info since you just gave a brief overview of all the classes. again thanks! Solid video!
I guess by it's the nature of stagger he meant that stagger doesn't actually avoid damage. It only delays the damage. So if you're taking big hits you're going to have to spent two stacks of you active mitigation to actually avoid it. ISB to stagger it und PB to remove the stagger. When you're starting to take really big hits all the time for a longer period of time such as tanking bosses in mythic raids I could see monk falling behind in purifying the damage. Thus leading to high damage taken, while only having mediocre self healing compared to other tanks. I could only see that really being a problem, while doing mythic bosses in very low gear. When the damage you take isn't that high or you have some decent gear with a lot of haste I think brewmaster is in an okay place actually. Me personally I didn't struggle, that much doing mythic dungeons, m+ or normal EN on my Monk and I think mythic raids would be okay as a Monk as well I just think it would be a lot harder than on most other tanks.
spot on m8. Except I feel that the DH and DK are more or less completely equal they feel very similar to play except DK having a little bit more healing and DH having more mobility. I think that Druids are completely top now after the ignore pain nerfs. And Paladins and Warriors are probably equal except for paladins having really small HP pool for some reason.
i play brewmaster and i am happy with it. i am not a top 100 raider so i dont really care about the "what class does the best job at low ilvl" i can run mythic +7 and i am good.
thanks for ya top 5. Ive been going warrior after testing out many tanks, and haven't regretted it since! Fun play style, good dmg mitigation and on AoE dmg in dungeons its pretty good. Soon we will see how it does in raids!
hey man i main heals but am looking into getting into tanking as an "alt-main". I dont know rn if I plan on raiding with it but for sure some mythic + dungeons. I don't have much tank exp so what class should i roll as a beginner tank any suggestions and is this video still right about how you have them ranked? thanks man
guardian druid still has one of the best DPS ratings as far as tanks are concerned depending on talents chosen and if you know how to play them for DPS
yeah, the give it from some reason to pvp talents.... it is so hilarious that they nerf BM's guard but give warrior most OP ability that is 2x good as a guard... ignor pain :D .... I'm maining MW, and the only tanks that I like to heal is war/druid. Never met a good prot pally so im surprised they are top tier. For me they are again, about selfheal that I HATE about tanks. They can drop down fast.
I have a protadin that has 845 gs and he solos mythic helya. Mostly I dont need healers for hcs and I do only speed runs without waiting my party mates. 150k dps and almost full hp all the time. Thanks to my HAND of the protector talent and artifacts that powers it. I do 1m heals by myself each 8 seconds. Just know your class :)
Actually, I have to disagree with your "bottom tier" call on VDH. I play a heroic raid VDH and I take about 9% less damage than our blood DK (with more self healing and damage) and not much more damage taken than our warrior. It's very skill based and you have to stack versa/haste over everything, which means takes a dip in ilvl just a bit if necessary, but it works very very well as long as you roll your actives well and know how to manage fury and self heals. I'd put DH above Monk (obvious) and DK, and about on par with Paladin with Warrior/Guardian in top tier. I'd love to hear any arguments.
I think you are just better then him , i also tested the tanks and DH by far can take a lot of dmg in raid inbetween spikes and that is not very smooth as the other ones , not saying it cant , just by pure stats and abilities they are a step down :)
he says all tanks are viable, but for mythic progression dh/monks aren't good, reading your comment "which means takes a dip in ilvl" so basically you say it yourself that dh need optimized gear above ilvl, aint good for progression in mythics.
sucky vijfdolla for Heroic DKs aren't good their hasn't been a single DK tank FC on logs yet. Monks are in a bad spot as well but DKs are not mid tier.
I'm leveling a prot warrior right now (level 47) and i keep messing up. i get so anxious when i get on it and i forget what abilities do what. don't have this problem when I'm on my 110 blood dk
As much as it pains me to say, I'd have to agree with your assessment of DK tanks for legion. It really doesn't help that two of the major damage mitigations were completely removed from the spec. Icebound Fortitude was my go to for that big "oh shit" attack. Even with a 2 to 3 minute cooldown, it could be cycled around with the passive mitigation from blood shield and bone shield. I say passive because it's always up if done correctly. Anti-Magic Zone is a PVP honor talent now. I liked being that raid utility bubble. lol As far as stat priority goes, it feels weird not prioritizing mastery at the top. It's haste now for survival so you can hit Death-Strike more often to keep a semi-passive mitigation up. Also, with only 3 runes coming off CD at a time I completely understand why it still just feels off. I use to laugh at DKs that stacked haste. Yes it was needed but never a priority before, even in WoD. As it stands, mastery is the bottom of the stat priority list, well out of haste, crit, and mastery that is.
I feel like as dh the burst tank thing isnt totally true, played correctly you can keep demon spikes active almost 90-95% of a fight thats a lot of damage reduction.
It's a lot of generic dmg reduction, unless you compare it to what the others bring. Even brewmaster has around 60% of all phys damage going into stagger, the issue with DH is that they have no tools to deal with big chunks of damage. Demon spikes reduction does not compare to the reduction CD's of the other classes, and on most encounters you want an active CD for things. For instance, how can they deal with dominator tentacles on il'gynoth?
I don't have a problem with dominator tentacles on normal or heroic so far, they dont hit all that hard, and honestly im usually the tank my gguild chooses to leave the tentacle alive on the longest over our blood dk
demon spikes is all physical damage reduction melee or all physical hits you can keep a 90% up time on a mitigation but what about magical or elemental. casters all that your mitigation means goes through the floor then compared to a warrior who can keep 100% up time on ignore pain which is 90% reduction of ALL damage
Vengeance Mastery now provides 50% less damage reduction per point.Demon Spikes damage reduction increased to 20%. All these DH's in the comments... you DO realize DH mastery is getting nerfed? In terms of tanks he pretty much nailed all the key points... I just hope they buff Monk tanks because thats what I main and they do have some problems.
you do know that Demon Spikes get 20% flat from 10% flat physical mitigation with that in mind and some simple maths 50% mastery = 50% physical mitigation + 10% flat after the patch it 50% mastery will give 25% physical mitigation + 20% flat from demon spikes so with the huge nerf as people say you will loose about 5% physical mitigation at 50% mastery
I feel like a DH with lots of gear though will jump way up, due to high dmg and mitigation possibility with mastery. Haste will make it so we generate a godly amount of pain in turn heal like no other. if your on your toes you can keep demon spikes up almost 100%
I'm a DH tank main and have full cleared already. We do have our downs and I'm currently 851 too. I did tank some good hits during tanking but for the most part my self heals and rotation was strong.
i cleared HC too as a DH Tank and in comparison with my Tankmates we are really even but i dont agree that the DH will jump the tank list up because all the gear in emerald nightmare have shitty stats for DH :D maybe the trinkets are viable. cant wait for nighthold ._.
i main tank druid and I found prot war so much better. Warrior is great in mythic + and raid but guardian is not that great on mythic + The main problem of guardian druid is his lack of damage on single target. You don't have burst damage on single target (artifact spell is not dps much in mono). You must take a lot of mob to do damage (every tank have great aoe damage). And I'll trade my armor buff for ignore pain.
As a paladin healer I hate DH tanks. Druids on the other hand do good deeps and are god damn hard to kill. But still I would say that an experienced DK tank is best. A lot of utility, good self-healing. Doing mythic+ with a dk tank is a pleasure.
Brewmasters have been yelling about how bad they were since they were the second to last spec launched on alpha. Nobody I know that played a Brewmaster is currently raiding as one now.
I just don't like the way we can't easily switch specs, I would like to try the bear but I didnt invest in it untill I knew it was good and monk/dh was bad
as a DH EN Heroic Tank you are 100% incorrect mind you if the player does not know how to play DH correctly he will take much more dmg but once geared and as long ad they know thete dmg reduction rotation Dh works great.
Your wrong lol, if you put a DH in a high tier mythic + and he tries to pull large trash packs like Warrior/Paladin/Druid do. He will literally just fall of and die before he ramps his healing high enough. You will press demon spikes, and just die. This has been how DH has worked since beta, and how they work now. They are very very very weak at tanking high tier progression. But they crush anything they overgear and have the opportunity to ramp off of.
They might not be bad but they are still the lowest tier of tanks. They are squishier than warrior, bear and paladin and bring none of the utility these tanks bring.
your wrong about neltharions fury. its free, shield block on crack, has amazing synergy with dragon scales and ravager. 100% chance to critically block and 30% chance to parry on top of your own avoidance stats.
yeah people are underplaying its 100% crit block rate . in mythic dungeons say like ground slam or some massive melee impact from a boss like one a raid may use for a tank swap that artifact trait makes most those hits moot. it with ignore pain up and your lucky to lose like 2% health
lol as a demon hunter tank myself i have to disagree with the op, proper gearing i last longer than any Warrior / Pally / DK i have come across on Heroic + raid bosses and world bosses.. With comments from healers saying that i was very easy to heal and other tanks being surprised because of the "bad rep" posts like this have given DH tanks. My mitigation is smooth a solid thru out boss encounters so much so that other tanks i have raided with are asking themselves what they are doing wrong. DH tanking is a very relaxing dont need to spam the living crap out of stuff to get things done, you take it relaxed and build up resources for when you need mitigation and you do very well. I mean on Dominator Fury my hp barely even moves and if it does it never goes below 80%, because of the Demon Spikes and managing my stats i can get 30-40% parry, meaning between dodging, getting hit i am parrying pretty much the rest. Any magic dmg is reduced by active 20 sec or so cooldown and with the 40% reduction.. Problem with most DH tanks is that the places that tell them "this is your best in slot" only includes the current raid teir and not Mythic +. Proper Ver/Mast/Crit stat management is key to DH tanks, not this whole STACK haste you be fine crap. Crit: needs to be about 22% for a 10% parry allowing 30%+ parry with demon spikes active Mastery: needs to fill at least Demonspikes doing 40% or more dmg reduction. Haste: you can get away with about 15% allowing decent timing on cooldowns and skills.. Remember this is not a spam class, if you spam you will have long "dry" periods where you will have no defenses at all other than getting hit. Versitility: fills up the rest of the spots allowing you to directly mitigate a select % on top of your Armor dmg reduction.
Healing yourself doesn't make up for the fact your migration is weaker thus you require more healing and being watched over more. Taking less damage is far more valuable then healing yourself.
Purutzil Besides active mitigation, selfhealing increases survivability as well. The question is to what extent. This might not be answered properly without statistical evaluation.
WeAreNoStudio Mitigation acts as a way of giving 'effective' health. A tank with mitigation of say 500k would have +500k on their effective health while that CD is active, where as having it as a heal they just have their base health Having to heal the damage gives far less wiggle room to deal with mechanics. Its the same general concept of why absorbs were so much better and why blizzard pushed absorb healing down. Are their circumstances where self healing is fine and works plenty? Yes, but mitigation in a vast majority of cases with a healer in mind will always be a far superior choice, unless some crazy mechanic or other device might somehow interfere with that healer's ability to heal for to long that they can't catch up.
VDH issue is that you have to take that big hit first, tanking it with nothing more but your pretty elf face + maybe some spikes on it. DH's a bit low on hp without demon form, so its very weak vs heavy hitters. My 850 dh without any stamina trinkets have around 2.7M hp, for comparission bear tank with same ilvl have around 3.5M (no stamina trinkets) + some mitigations and stuff. + DH rly lacks defencives vs magic dmg, sorry but 30% with 20s cd is not going to make it.
Man, Vengeance belongs in top tier. I literally just survived a full mythic last boss encounter just because of the self healing. Sure, the mitigation is almost non existent, but the healing is close to a real healers if you know when to activate it.
actually DH with proper gear and class buff for healing is almost immortal. today i tank world boss with almost 950 millions HP and i have no problem with that. DH is fine, god damn fine
For what it is worth I had a look on wow-heroes.com and checked out the top 20 tanks on the biggest EU PvE realm (Silvermoon). The results are as follows; Druid - 8 DK - 6 Paladin - 2 Warrior - 2 Monk - 2 DH - 0 Make of that what you will.
Why you think proactive is better than reactive? shouldnt it be something that would fit the player's style? or you've "crunched" the numbers and it still is subpar?
Proactive is usually considered better because you can take less damage instead of recovering from damage. Here's an example: You have 90 hp and are going to take 100 damage. Proactive: you will block 50 damage with your abilities as you take that 100 damage. This leaves you with 40hp and you are still alive to keep tanking. Reactive: you will take 100 damage but you will then try to self heal for 50 HP with your abilities AFTER you take 100 damage, but in the process are left with -10hp and are dead. In the end you're right for about 90% of the game that it doesn't matter too much because what you prefer for your own tanking style is up to you and won't make THAT much difference. But at high end or in a clinch Proactive abilities are gonna be stronger and considered more viable.
Well Blood dks have Vamp blood which in my case at least it is up often enough and can be used before the hit to take say 100 dmg but survive and heal for more then that with a bubble for physical attacks.
saying one is better then the other is bullshit right now blood dks are highest hp pools+strongest cd(vamp blood) its about the player an animal tank on dk needs very little heals usualy i gota ask for em cos i keep myself alive so well they forget to heal me.
Honestly the Mastery nerf isn't bad, it was easy to cheese as it was for certain things. The issue is they could of used fixes elsewhere to help their mitigation whether another CD or something which blizzard didn't bother to give them anything at all.
I main a blood dk and they are not as good as druids, paladins or warriors. Druids and paladins bring insane utility to the raid with very smooth damage intake. Warrior were op as you say but they took a big hit to rage generarion and they are slowly being pushed out of god-tier.
Not sure where you got boomkins being top tier, they aren't; however, feral is in the top tier this expansion so far they are on the tails of arms, MM, and havoc! Plus all those specs are getting nurfed on Tuesday. Boomkins are sub par except their aoe is fairly strong. My source is the wow logs and parses for EN.
Your statement is literally wrong, boomkin is actually very single target focused this expansion with very average at best AoE dmg. Their single target is very competitive currently and feral is only parsing well on simcraft patchwork style fights, its actually much worse than boomkin in utility and live raid dps. With the small aoe buffs and spread buffs coming to boomkin on tuesday they are shaping to be one of the best and most flexible ranged dps for mythic progression guilds. Also, druid healers are literally the best mythic + healers @kaylon. I dont understand where you people are getting your information, but spreading false information about druids is pretty funny when they are the top tier of many roles this expansion. Especially healing and tanking.
@landon do you even believe what you're saying or do you just want to sound like you know nothing at all. There is not a SINGLE fight on normal herioc or mythic that boomkin has came anywhere remotely near top. source: worldoflogs and warcraftlogs. research and google before you attempt to sound like you're not a total pleb.
Honestly, everytime I see some1 bash brewmaster, I just think they're an idiot, the spec is insanely strong on progression, and you can easily maintain your brews if you know what you're doing, they're less spiky than paladins and warriors too. And have great solo potential with Obstinate Determination. Please guys, just learn the spec before bashing it into the ground
I Honestly think that tank dps is mostly based on skill and not your class, especially on progression. Also Sco said here that guardian does shitty dps, while it's actually on the top atm. On the brewmaster part he only talked about 20 seconds about one of the most complex tank specs, which makes me think he didn't really test the spec that much. While, yes I do agree that it lacks some utility, it's not far behind the others, it's biggest strength is it's unrivaled mobility and from what ive seen so far, only brewmaster and guardian aren't prone to one shots at the moment. Which makes them amazing for progression.
Yea brewmaster excels at smooth mitigation. As for druid dps, it's by no means bad but it can have some ramp up since you have to place your dots, while a paladin can just pop to dps cool downs and burst relatively well but overall it's mostly like you said, tank dps is based on skill
I HATE PALADIN TANKS! they produce a rediculous amount of threat for no reason. I have to work a bit as a druid tank to make sure im going to keep threat, a pally tank.... NOPE shield!
lol DK tanks are so imba! (do i need to say DMG in raids are prime) n on 2 place paly (when u get higer raid gear thay are realy good to, hast away) but as mentioned prolly druid after the last raids are realised... (bonkers when armor capped)
A quick question on your ui there is a question mark on the left side of the screen just slightly 2 the left of the %mark above player hp that i cant remove i did back up my entire ui and replaced everything and cant find any weakaurs that are doing it any ide what is triggering it? it is sitting on top of the actionbar so no spell i dont use or anything like that.
main a monk since they came out. they are pretty bad right now I went dps/heals. you just can't clear enough of the stagger to be effective. even at 25% haste it's still a problem. either make pure brew clear more say 70%or reduce the shared cd with the brews.
Low Tier : Monk , DH
Mid Tier : DK
High Tier : Druid, Warr, Pally
Low Tier: Monk
Shit Tier: DH
:)
I think Druid is mid because I find myself bored when playing it.
Yet monks and DKs are the most fun
im just going to say hahaha, u manged to get one spot right paly n prolly munk to but sirusly its the munk! druids whont come in the real prime untill the 2 last raids of the expansion (like every singel expansion), DH needs more gear cinda like palas, so more mid tiers n only 2 hige tier, DK n pala hero classes for the win
finally someone talking seriously about the tank ranking, i really was looking forward to this review. thank you very much bro, it really helped me. see you on the streams. lov it
Maining Guardian Druid, and it feels so satisfying and powerful and fun this xpac after it was shitty in WoD. We will start progress tonight on heroics, with the tanks being 2 Guardian Druids, me and my co-tank. It happened this way we didn't really mean for it to be with 2 guardians, so I'm glad they are considered kinda one of the best in progress, feels safer for progression now.
I know you've said people viewing might not necessarily agree, I play a DH tank an tanked all mythic, cleared normal an progressing heroic now, I agree in the sense of that DH tanks are great for dungeon an arguably one of the best picks yet still great for raiding in my opinion
Since the ignore pain nerf today, would you still place warriors in the top tier? 2/3 of what it used to be.
I MT as a bear personally, but have a warrior I'm bringing up for an alt raid.
I have had issues finding people to raid with at first just because i was a VDH . The first reply to anything a VDH might say in his defense is "oh but think about Cenarius and the spear". When i finally found a guild who accepted me on EN they all freaked out thinking about Cenarius. And so i just told them to watch and be patient. My gear was not excellent at the time, but i had just the right trinkets and talents(i never use guides, i prefer to think things through in my own way). After the spear hit me, the pool on the ground was tiny. No healer complained about me, i told them to not panic if my health bounces a lot, since i build up souls for barrier and healing, they were all happy to see Cenarius presenting no issue for me (or any other boss). So i have gained their trust, i am a MT for their raid, and i managed to change their minds about VDH. And i always hold the bosses since holding adds is a bit of an issue for me (first time tanking..ever) It all depends who is behind the keyboard, and how the character is being played. But i do agree on one thing, it takes a shit ton of planning ahead and CD calculations to maintain yourself on magic damage...
Finally someone who nailed the pally tank on the head. I love pally tanking and have been doing it for quite some time. And I've pointed that in this expansion I feel vulnerable or squishy at times if I don't have any dmg reduction moves. They do luckily have a variety to choose from, but they have long cd's (feels like forever in tough fights) and don't last long. So they definitely need to be spread out properly. I just dread when someone pulls a extra mob or two by accident in higher mythic dungeons. I can tank them, but if it's not ended fast I'm sweating under the pressure of staying alive. hahaha
great video,but i have a question its been a debate about the warrior best stats,for me im going vers-mastery-haste but for others are haste-mastery-vers. what do u think abot this and what the most better stats for warrior and why ? thanks
Hey thanks for the positive feedback, you can find my Warrior stat prio and reasoning here;
ruclips.net/video/LvWSHC9WdhE/видео.html
Haste -> Vers = mastery -> crit
haste mastery and vers is the best and most viable stat build. I main a prot warrior and haste is the biggest stacker.
for lower levels and leveling yes but at max level vers beats haste youll get enough haste out of gems enchants and the gear to not have to stack it. my haste is high enough with my heavy reprecusions i can keep both shield block and ignore pain up almost 100%
I agree with all these points. I think out of all the tanks pallys do the most dog/dps. But the cooldowns are a huge pain.
I mained a Bear druid at launch, but i rerolled back to my monk, because bear tanking isnt as fun as BrM. So now i just get hit really hard....
My main in WOD was monk they suck so hard now. not even fun to play at all
Brewmaster is fine but extremely reliant on a healer. If anything brewmaster needs a damage CD, raid utility, and prob another major defense CD to be competitive
maybe we suck as a brewmaster but i still top charts and wreck in pvp as a WW
after a certain ilvl BrM just isn't worth it, you end up putting to much stress onto your healers. i honestly cringe at this fact, i use to main BrM but this change in legion... if only we stayed the same as we were in WoD. Hell i'd actually be happy if those stupid brews were changed up a bit. hell even our mastery... like really... change to dodge one attack? OOOhhh so viable... lol... well at least we are still in a better spot then Frost DK's
Flora My experience was actually different. When running specific stats and HT talent then healers have little to no issue with healing you. Just steady consistent healing without capping out the BrM hp and he does fine. Then again it's counter productive to be floating hp for a tank sometimes... gj blizzard
warrior could do with alittle more dps..but really enjoying tanking ..great channel.👍
prot pally for life. except in wrath cats and MoP when I was blood, and early WoD when I was a warrior, and now when I run dh half the time
i loled about the two sentences about the brewmaster tank :D
Well I personally play a DK and my guild went through all of normal emerald nightmare a few hours ago, but then again the off tank was a warrior and that 3% leech from inspiring presence help a considerable amount. but you are right I felt like I was taking too much damage when tanking some fights as a DK.
I feel like the tiers for DPS and tank don't really matter till mythic raids
3% leech is really nothing worth considering, its just there to pad healing number
wrong. my warrior sometimes runs second in healing or even first in mythic dungeons thats 3% off all damage you deal each second well for everyone except the warrior its actually a pretty useful raid heal for a passive
thats what we called number padding, 3% of your attack to healing wont save you from any notable raid damage mechanic, its just there to PAD Number, get it?
Me and my raid group roll with a pally main tank and me (demon hunter) off tank, we dont really stick to conventional "Main tank" roles as i usually keep main target aggro and the trick with vengeance is just to make sure that demon spikes is active as much as possible and you wait till five souls to then soul cleave, sorts out all low health situations and I managed to take xavius without the pally at about 1/3 health due to him dying
For all the DH who seem braindead and are like, hurrdurr my tank is good i tank heroics and mythic dungeons fine. This isnt about mythic dungeons or heroics. If you put a DH in a high tier mythic + and he tries to pull large
trash packs like Warrior/Paladin/Druid do. He will literally just fall
over and die before he ramps his healing high enough. You will press demon
spikes, and just die. This has been how DH has worked since beta, and
how they work now. They are very very very weak at tanking high tier
progression. But they crush anything they overgear and have the
opportunity to ramp off of.
been trying out vengeance DH last few days, it brokenly fun lol. the self healing is pretty crazy, especially once you get the artifact traits up to get burn damage = heals
I like how my guild has Main tank Monk and Offtank DK, and we're progressing just fine, without having tank problems, so tbh i dont get your point on monks.
He said all tanks are viable... but some are worse than others and that's a fact.
As a Brewmaster Monk main, I am very pleased to see 7.1 gave us a 15% boost to all armor from gear, and the Brew-stache artifact trait was buffed.
the trinket procs so well i forgot the name of it. i think drop dht or somewhere. if you crit it reduces their damage %2 its very good at keystones. and aoe damages procs all mobs hit % 2 less which means lot of smoothness
Been tanking as DH lately, haven't had much issue. Though I will agree with your opinion and views on it. Wish we had a little more damage mitigation or means of being a wee bit more "tanky"
This.
Demon Hunter tank feels more like a dps trying to tank than an actual tank holding threat and working through damage. I feel like their upside is being able to just burn through a fight so that proactive mitigation doesn't come up often enough to be an issue. It works fine in 5 mans but I would not feel comfortable trying to play one in anything other than maybe LFR
thanks for the amazing video, may I know whats the addon you use playing on the druid ? the spells , cds , health bar , energy in the middle of the screen? please !
Good video thank you for it! I've been trying to hone in on a tank to play...currently DK main but the tanking just is relatively underwhelming to me. I get hit like a truck most of time and the lack of (legit zero cds) i find very punishing when things go wrong. Battle rez really stands out as only WOW one.
Just wondering you mentioned Monk being low tier and as fight goes on...the damage isn't as smooth. I was just curious if you could further explain why that occurs? I understand the nature of DHs given they also lack CDs n rely heavily on self heal similar to DK. However; with Monk i'm a bit curious as to why that happens and since you don't play monk heavily where you are pulling this from? BTW no way trying to challenge what you're saying. I actually do not have a clue...just looking for more concrete info since you just gave a brief overview of all the classes.
again thanks! Solid video!
I guess by it's the nature of stagger he meant that stagger doesn't actually avoid damage. It only delays the damage. So if you're taking big hits you're going to have to spent two stacks of you active mitigation to actually avoid it. ISB to stagger it und PB to remove the stagger. When you're starting to take really big hits all the time for a longer period of time such as tanking bosses in mythic raids I could see monk falling behind in purifying the damage. Thus leading to high damage taken, while only having mediocre self healing compared to other tanks.
I could only see that really being a problem, while doing mythic bosses in very low gear. When the damage you take isn't that high or you have some decent gear with a lot of haste I think brewmaster is in an okay place actually. Me personally I didn't struggle, that much doing mythic dungeons, m+ or normal EN on my Monk and I think mythic raids would be okay as a Monk as well I just think it would be a lot harder than on most other tanks.
awesome explanation very clear Bro. i have subsscribed! and like many of your other vids
spot on m8. Except I feel that the DH and DK are more or less completely equal they feel very similar to play except DK having a little bit more healing and DH having more mobility. I think that Druids are completely top now after the ignore pain nerfs. And Paladins and Warriors are probably equal except for paladins having really small HP pool for some reason.
i play brewmaster and i am happy with it. i am not a top 100 raider so i dont really care about the "what class does the best job at low ilvl" i can run mythic +7 and i am good.
thanks for ya top 5. Ive been going warrior after testing out many tanks, and haven't regretted it since! Fun play style, good dmg mitigation and on AoE dmg in dungeons its pretty good. Soon we will see how it does in raids!
hey man i main heals but am looking into getting into tanking as an "alt-main". I dont know rn if I plan on raiding with it but for sure some mythic + dungeons. I don't have much tank exp so what class should i roll as a beginner tank any suggestions and is this video still right about how you have them ranked? thanks man
guardian druid still has one of the best DPS ratings as far as tanks are concerned depending on talents chosen and if you know how to play them for DPS
give brewmasters guard back^^
yeah, the give it from some reason to pvp talents.... it is so hilarious that they nerf BM's guard but give warrior most OP ability that is 2x good as a guard... ignor pain :D .... I'm maining MW, and the only tanks that I like to heal is war/druid. Never met a good prot pally so im surprised they are top tier. For me they are again, about selfheal that I HATE about tanks. They can drop down fast.
You just suck at healing
I have a protadin that has 845 gs and he solos mythic helya. Mostly I dont need healers for hcs and I do only speed runs without waiting my party mates. 150k dps and almost full hp all the time. Thanks to my HAND of the protector talent and artifacts that powers it. I do 1m heals by myself each 8 seconds. Just know your class :)
Actually, I have to disagree with your "bottom tier" call on VDH. I play a heroic raid VDH and I take about 9% less damage than our blood DK (with more self healing and damage) and not much more damage taken than our warrior. It's very skill based and you have to stack versa/haste over everything, which means takes a dip in ilvl just a bit if necessary, but it works very very well as long as you roll your actives well and know how to manage fury and self heals. I'd put DH above Monk (obvious) and DK, and about on par with Paladin with Warrior/Guardian in top tier. I'd love to hear any arguments.
You could just be a better player than your other tank buddies.
As pure tanking goes, his top 3 are spot on.
I think you are just better then him , i also tested the tanks and DH by far can take a lot of dmg in raid inbetween spikes and that is not very smooth as the other ones , not saying it cant , just by pure stats and abilities they are a step down :)
Top 3 are close but DK are actually far worse than Monks and DH atm, Logs even shows this.
he says all tanks are viable, but for mythic progression dh/monks aren't good, reading your comment "which means takes a dip in ilvl" so basically you say it yourself that dh need optimized gear above ilvl, aint good for progression in mythics.
sucky vijfdolla for Heroic DKs aren't good their hasn't been a single DK tank FC on logs yet. Monks are in a bad spot as well but DKs are not mid tier.
I'm leveling a prot warrior right now (level 47) and i keep messing up. i get so anxious when i get on it and i forget what abilities do what. don't have this problem when I'm on my 110 blood dk
Hey man any chance of a quick 7.1.5 update for the Nighthold
by the way im going with talents : 1,1,2,3,3,1,2
Hello. What race is the best for druid tank in Horde? Tauren?
5:47 Paladins have the best cool dance :D
Imo Dh will be a great tank in high set with a good haste and mastery its possible to get 60%+ mitigation during the ENTIRE fight
I know I main blood DK but Brewmaster and Vengeance are amazing. What is your main tank?
blood
Brewmasters aren't amazing at all...Anything they can do all other tanks can do better.
I mained blood dk until Legion. Now I play the dh tank^^
Artharem DH tank is very fun, I can see it being very good
same. they absolutely gutted dk
Seems about right. Paladin wouldve prolly been my pick for #1 if not for recent nerfs.
Warriors are God tier, sure you have no self heal but you are steel wall that barely takes damage.
Cons: your artifact looks ugly
The hidden artifact skin is one of the coolest though
Gotta rock those Vanilla appearances, Crul'Shorukh + Elementium Reinforced Bulwark.
Correction; Warriors do have a self heal. It is called "Impending Victory". And is VERY useful in most occasions.
i think shield looks much better than paladin's at least. but the sword looks like a toy lul
I like the sword for its simplicity tbh. The shield isn't that bad either.
I've always wanted to play a Bear. I think this might be the time.
As much as it pains me to say, I'd have to agree with your assessment of DK tanks for legion. It really doesn't help that two of the major damage mitigations were completely removed from the spec. Icebound Fortitude was my go to for that big "oh shit" attack. Even with a 2 to 3 minute cooldown, it could be cycled around with the passive mitigation from blood shield and bone shield. I say passive because it's always up if done correctly.
Anti-Magic Zone is a PVP honor talent now. I liked being that raid utility bubble. lol
As far as stat priority goes, it feels weird not prioritizing mastery at the top. It's haste now for survival so you can hit Death-Strike more often to keep a semi-passive mitigation up. Also, with only 3 runes coming off CD at a time I completely understand why it still just feels off. I use to laugh at DKs that stacked haste. Yes it was needed but never a priority before, even in WoD. As it stands, mastery is the bottom of the stat priority list, well out of haste, crit, and mastery that is.
I feel like as dh the burst tank thing isnt totally true, played correctly you can keep demon spikes active almost 90-95% of a fight thats a lot of damage reduction.
I agree... and i think they have enough other forms of mitigation that that 5-10% of the time its down they have some damage reduction
It's a lot of generic dmg reduction, unless you compare it to what the others bring. Even brewmaster has around 60% of all phys damage going into stagger, the issue with DH is that they have no tools to deal with big chunks of damage. Demon spikes reduction does not compare to the reduction CD's of the other classes, and on most encounters you want an active CD for things. For instance, how can they deal with dominator tentacles on il'gynoth?
I don't have a problem with dominator tentacles on normal or heroic so far, they dont hit all that hard, and honestly im usually the tank my gguild chooses to leave the tentacle alive on the longest over our blood dk
demon spikes is all physical damage reduction melee or all physical hits you can keep a 90% up time on a mitigation but what about magical or elemental. casters all that your mitigation means goes through the floor then compared to a warrior who can keep 100% up time on ignore pain which is 90% reduction of ALL damage
just because warriors were overpowered (nerfed) doesn't mean DH isn't still decent
will you do build guides for druids/dh?
Vengeance
Mastery now provides 50% less damage reduction per point.Demon Spikes damage reduction increased to 20%.
All these DH's in the comments... you DO realize DH mastery is getting nerfed? In terms of tanks he pretty much nailed all the key points... I just hope they buff Monk tanks because thats what I main and they do have some problems.
you do know that Demon Spikes get 20% flat from 10% flat physical mitigation
with that in mind and some simple maths 50% mastery = 50% physical mitigation + 10% flat
after the patch it 50% mastery will give 25% physical mitigation + 20% flat from demon spikes
so with the huge nerf as people say you will loose about 5% physical mitigation at 50% mastery
Thanks for info. Pally tank here.
I feel like a DH with lots of gear though will jump way up, due to high dmg and mitigation possibility with mastery. Haste will make it so we generate a godly amount of pain in turn heal like no other. if your on your toes you can keep demon spikes up almost 100%
I'm a DH tank main and have full cleared already. We do have our downs and I'm currently 851 too. I did tank some good hits during tanking but for the most part my self heals and rotation was strong.
Like he said all Tanks are viable, this sounds like in regards to guilds that will be pushing for world firsts, realm firsts, etc.
i cleared HC too as a DH Tank and in comparison with my Tankmates we are really even but i dont agree that the DH will jump the tank list up because all the gear in emerald nightmare have shitty stats for DH :D maybe the trinkets are viable. cant wait for nighthold ._.
you did not put in the fact that bear tanks have low threat generation. this is something that can cause issues in raid, and mythic+.
i main tank druid and I found prot war so much better. Warrior is great in mythic + and raid but guardian is not that great on mythic + The main problem of guardian druid is his lack of damage on single target. You don't have burst damage on single target (artifact spell is not dps much in mono). You must take a lot of mob to do damage (every tank have great aoe damage). And I'll trade my armor buff for ignore pain.
As a paladin healer I hate DH tanks. Druids on the other hand do good deeps and are god damn hard to kill. But still I would say that an experienced DK tank is best. A lot of utility, good self-healing. Doing mythic+ with a dk tank is a pleasure.
has the list updated?
Brewmasters have been yelling about how bad they were since they were the second to last spec launched on alpha. Nobody I know that played a Brewmaster is currently raiding as one now.
I don't think I've seen a single brewmaster since legion came out
(cries internally)
Pats your back and offers you a brew
I play a brewmaster and they are crap when compared to other tanks by far.
I'm MT'ing as brewmaster, has not been an issue in Emerald Nightmare so far.
I just don't like the way we can't easily switch specs, I would like to try the bear but I didnt invest in it untill I knew it was good and monk/dh was bad
What is the addon that shows the raid cds and external cds on the left side?
as a DH EN Heroic Tank you are 100% incorrect mind you if the player does not know how to play DH correctly he will take much more dmg but once geared and as long ad they know thete dmg reduction rotation Dh works great.
Your wrong lol, if you put a DH in a high tier mythic + and he tries to pull large trash packs like Warrior/Paladin/Druid do. He will literally just fall of and die before he ramps his healing high enough. You will press demon spikes, and just die. This has been how DH has worked since beta, and how they work now. They are very very very weak at tanking high tier progression. But they crush anything they overgear and have the opportunity to ramp off of.
They might not be bad but they are still the lowest tier of tanks. They are squishier than warrior, bear and paladin and bring none of the utility these tanks bring.
in terms of survivability and fun, bear vs pala?
I dont like warrior Artifact spell. On the other hand. BattleCry+channeled spell make it a little more enjoyable ;>
I never played tanks in MMo which class is the best to start tanking?
Warrior or paladin, both easy to get into and easy to progress through content smoothly.
Hey! Can we find your weakaura for palprot?
your wrong about neltharions fury. its free, shield block on crack, has amazing synergy with dragon scales and ravager. 100% chance to critically block and 30% chance to parry on top of your own avoidance stats.
yeah people are underplaying its 100% crit block rate . in mythic dungeons say like ground slam or some massive melee impact from a boss like one a raid may use for a tank swap that artifact trait makes most those hits moot. it with ignore pain up and your lucky to lose like 2% health
Your English killed my brain.
lol as a demon hunter tank myself i have to disagree with the op, proper gearing i last longer than any Warrior / Pally / DK i have come across on Heroic + raid bosses and world bosses.. With comments from healers saying that i was very easy to heal and other tanks being surprised because of the "bad rep" posts like this have given DH tanks. My mitigation is smooth a solid thru out boss encounters so much so that other tanks i have raided with are asking themselves what they are doing wrong.
DH tanking is a very relaxing dont need to spam the living crap out of stuff to get things done, you take it relaxed and build up resources for when you need mitigation and you do very well.
I mean on Dominator Fury my hp barely even moves and if it does it never goes below 80%, because of the Demon Spikes and managing my stats i can get 30-40% parry, meaning between dodging, getting hit i am parrying pretty much the rest. Any magic dmg is reduced by active 20 sec or so cooldown and with the 40% reduction..
Problem with most DH tanks is that the places that tell them "this is your best in slot" only includes the current raid teir and not Mythic +. Proper Ver/Mast/Crit stat management is key to DH tanks, not this whole STACK haste you be fine crap.
Crit: needs to be about 22% for a 10% parry allowing 30%+ parry with demon spikes active
Mastery: needs to fill at least Demonspikes doing 40% or more dmg reduction.
Haste: you can get away with about 15% allowing decent timing on cooldowns and skills.. Remember this is not a spam class, if you spam you will have long "dry" periods where you will have no defenses at all other than getting hit.
Versitility: fills up the rest of the spots allowing you to directly mitigate a select % on top of your Armor dmg reduction.
You might want to consider the insane 100k+ HPS a VDH deals. That's like an additional healer.
Healing yourself doesn't make up for the fact your migration is weaker thus you require more healing and being watched over more. Taking less damage is far more valuable then healing yourself.
+Purutzil The fuck with migration !!? It's called Mitigation.
Purutzil
Besides active mitigation, selfhealing increases survivability as well. The question is to what extent. This might not be answered properly without statistical evaluation.
WeAreNoStudio Mitigation acts as a way of giving 'effective' health. A tank with mitigation of say 500k would have +500k on their effective health while that CD is active, where as having it as a heal they just have their base health Having to heal the damage gives far less wiggle room to deal with mechanics. Its the same general concept of why absorbs were so much better and why blizzard pushed absorb healing down.
Are their circumstances where self healing is fine and works plenty? Yes, but mitigation in a vast majority of cases with a healer in mind will always be a far superior choice, unless some crazy mechanic or other device might somehow interfere with that healer's ability to heal for to long that they can't catch up.
VDH issue is that you have to take that big hit first, tanking it with nothing more but your pretty elf face + maybe some spikes on it. DH's a bit low on hp without demon form, so its very weak vs heavy hitters. My 850 dh without any stamina trinkets have around 2.7M hp, for comparission bear tank with same ilvl have around 3.5M (no stamina trinkets) + some mitigations and stuff. + DH rly lacks defencives vs magic dmg, sorry but 30% with 20s cd is not going to make it.
can you make a prot warrior vs prot pally like tand the same dungeons and do a side by side
what addons do you use?
Man, Vengeance belongs in top tier. I literally just survived a full mythic last boss encounter just because of the self healing. Sure, the mitigation is almost non existent, but the healing is close to a real healers if you know when to activate it.
Thrillkilled he said DH is powerful 5man but not that great for raiding, hence in low tier.
Talks about demon hunter
Plays druid tank game play
WHAT THE FUCK??
He simply hasn't leveled a DH.
in that case he know nothing about DH.
nah it's just that bad in raiding that he didn't bother
actually DH with proper gear and class buff for healing is almost immortal. today i tank world boss with almost 950 millions HP and i have no problem with that. DH is fine, god damn fine
i wish everyone could have 950 million hp, no tank would die ever
For what it is worth I had a look on wow-heroes.com and checked out the top 20 tanks on the biggest EU PvE realm (Silvermoon). The results are as follows;
Druid - 8
DK - 6
Paladin - 2
Warrior - 2
Monk - 2
DH - 0
Make of that what you will.
Why you think proactive is better than reactive? shouldnt it be something that would fit the player's style? or you've "crunched" the numbers and it still is subpar?
Proactive is usually considered better because you can take less damage instead of recovering from damage. Here's an example:
You have 90 hp and are going to take 100 damage.
Proactive: you will block 50 damage with your abilities as you take that 100 damage. This leaves you with 40hp and you are still alive to keep tanking.
Reactive: you will take 100 damage but you will then try to self heal for 50 HP with your abilities AFTER you take 100 damage, but in the process are left with -10hp and are dead.
In the end you're right for about 90% of the game that it doesn't matter too much because what you prefer for your own tanking style is up to you and won't make THAT much difference. But at high end or in a clinch Proactive abilities are gonna be stronger and considered more viable.
Because not taking as much damabe beats taking more and possibly dying in a harsh spike?
Well Blood dks have Vamp blood which in my case at least it is up often enough and can be used before the hit to take say 100 dmg but survive and heal for more then that with a bubble for physical attacks.
saying one is better then the other is bullshit right now blood dks are highest hp pools+strongest cd(vamp blood) its about the player an animal tank on dk needs very little heals usualy i gota ask for em cos i keep myself alive so well they forget to heal me.
lol^^
Not any more after this hot fix!
odd my DH feels indestructable on raid fights
This guy's accent is lovely.
ranking of the best tankes 1 to 6 ??
I'm glad to see that DH tanks are getting a 50% Mastery nerf next patch... shittiest tanks becoming even shittier.
Honestly the Mastery nerf isn't bad, it was easy to cheese as it was for certain things. The issue is they could of used fixes elsewhere to help their mitigation whether another CD or something which blizzard didn't bother to give them anything at all.
And what about the spikes buff? It's a 100% buff from 10% to 20%.
thx dude
can you do the same type of comparisson with the healers ?
There's actually already a method video about that on the method channel for both pve and pvp!
Anyone have any idea of a haste cap for paladins? What would be a good range to have haste at?
so obvious but good video sco
Have these changed with th recent changes blizz has announced.
I have to respectfully disagree because obviously Demon Hunter is the best tank ever demon hunter for life.
gonna agree on that, but the patch will fuck us, gonna miss that 80% dmg reduce on demon spike
No way! They nerf demon spike? I invested everything into strong spikes :/
can you pass what addns you used on druid ?
Yep, check my addon video here; ruclips.net/video/b8ot_5l4jpA/видео.html
How do you rank tanks in light latest hotfixes?
Anyone else have this pop up on their recommended page? I miss legion. Was the best expansion.
I disagree with your DK assumption, they are in every way as good for top tier raiding as Druids and Paladins, warriors are just OP
I main a blood dk and they are not as good as druids, paladins or warriors. Druids and paladins bring insane utility to the raid with very smooth damage intake. Warrior were op as you say but they took a big hit to rage generarion and they are slowly being pushed out of god-tier.
So guardian druid is a tier 1 tank, resto druid is top teir healer, and Boomy is top tier dps. Why play anything but a druid this expac
Well because as a tank you have to look at Bear Ass all day long!
Not sure where you got boomkins being top tier, they aren't; however, feral is in the top tier this expansion so far they are on the tails of arms, MM, and havoc! Plus all those specs are getting nurfed on Tuesday. Boomkins are sub par except their aoe is fairly strong.
My source is the wow logs and parses for EN.
Your statement is literally wrong, boomkin is actually very single target focused this expansion with very average at best AoE dmg. Their single target is very competitive currently and feral is only parsing well on simcraft patchwork style fights, its actually much worse than boomkin in utility and live raid dps. With the small aoe buffs and spread buffs coming to boomkin on tuesday they are shaping to be one of the best and most flexible ranged dps for mythic progression guilds.
Also, druid healers are literally the best mythic + healers @kaylon.
I dont understand where you people are getting your information, but spreading false information about druids is pretty funny when they are the top tier of many roles this expansion. Especially healing and tanking.
hence, all the damn druids running around these days.
@landon do you even believe what you're saying or do you just want to sound like you know nothing at all. There is not a SINGLE fight on normal herioc or mythic that boomkin has came anywhere remotely near top.
source: worldoflogs and warcraftlogs. research and google before you attempt to sound like you're not a total pleb.
no brewmaster?
Where is monk?
Best Tanks, beginning to end is the Warrior tank.
"Demon hunter" shows video of Guardian druid.
Honestly, everytime I see some1 bash brewmaster, I just think they're an idiot, the spec is insanely strong on progression, and you can easily maintain your brews if you know what you're doing, they're less spiky than paladins and warriors too. And have great solo potential with Obstinate Determination. Please guys, just learn the spec before bashing it into the ground
Brewmaster is solid but no progression guild will ever bring it since it lacks any raid utility honestly. also it's damage is pretty shitty x.x
I Honestly think that tank dps is mostly based on skill and not your class, especially on progression. Also Sco said here that guardian does shitty dps, while it's actually on the top atm. On the brewmaster part he only talked about 20 seconds about one of the most complex tank specs, which makes me think he didn't really test the spec that much. While, yes I do agree that it lacks some utility, it's not far behind the others, it's biggest strength is it's unrivaled mobility and from what ive seen so far, only brewmaster and guardian aren't prone to one shots at the moment. Which makes them amazing for progression.
Yea brewmaster excels at smooth mitigation. As for druid dps, it's by no means bad but it can have some ramp up since you have to place your dots, while a paladin can just pop to dps cool downs and burst relatively well but overall it's mostly like you said, tank dps is based on skill
I HATE PALADIN TANKS! they produce a rediculous amount of threat for no reason. I have to work a bit as a druid tank to make sure im going to keep threat, a pally tank.... NOPE shield!
I like the videos. But I cannot take it as serious when I saw that paladins were the supposed top tier.
Switch DH and DK, DH does everything DK does better.
lol DK tanks are so imba! (do i need to say DMG in raids are prime)
n on 2 place paly (when u get higer raid gear thay are realy good to, hast away)
but as mentioned prolly druid after the last raids are realised... (bonkers when armor capped)
Needs Update, Prot nerfed into the ground.
No, prot warrior in all progression sites are low tier now. Pratically 50% of the warrior are re-roling to blood, pally or guardian
***** Look at WarcraftLogs stupid, we are below Blood DK and Prot Pally. Go be dumb somewhere else
poor monks.. blizzard just hate em i guess
get the Bucky into ya
Funny DH and BM are bad picks in PvE and Prot warrior is best yet DH and BM are best picks in PvP and Prot warrior as terrible
i was like bottom tier see guardian footage was like oh shit what happend do druids anybody said there where great x)
Yep unfortunately I didn't have much DH/Monk footage on hand.
A quick question on your ui there is a question mark on the left side of the screen just slightly 2 the left of the %mark above player hp that i cant remove i did back up my entire ui and replaced everything and cant find any weakaurs that are doing it any ide what is triggering it? it is sitting on top of the actionbar so no spell i dont use or anything like that.
nwm i found it got confused dident think u used both weak auras and tmw.
so pretty much nothing wrong with paladin sweet
Outro song ?
in the description
Thx, i was just blind :S
but RIP prot warrior nerf tho
main a monk since they came out. they are pretty bad right now I went dps/heals. you just can't clear enough of the stagger to be effective. even at 25% haste it's still a problem. either make pure brew clear more say 70%or reduce the shared cd with the brews.