How The Moluccans Formed A SPECIAL Community In The Netherlands
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- Prior to moving to the Netherlands, I never had heard of Moluccan people. But after hearing about them, I was curious to dive more into their culture and their unique history with the Netherlands. So I reached out to a Moluccan filmmaker (Uriël Matahelumual) and he not only gave me a rundown of his community's history but also connected me with people and events that that gave me great insight on how special the Moluccan community is here in the Netherlands. Join me on this journey to learn more about the Moluccans!
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Hey, RUclips! I know it's been a while; I've had a lot of "life" going on that took priority over making videos. But I'm happy to be back and full of energy/excitement to put out content that you all hopefully enjoy. Starting with this video about the Moluccan people here in the Netherlands! I hope you enjoy :)
Missed you. Optimistic, caring, and thoughtful perspectives into Dutch culture from an immigrant, much like me.
@mikepictor thank you Mike!! More to come!
@@exploringtheforeign go back to USA
@luciferslight5306 I never deleted any comments and you've been trolling all throughout the comments; I think you need to find something better to do with your time😂
@@exploringtheforeign wij moeten opstaan tegen zogenaamde slachtoffers,er moet een tegen woord komen tegen jullie linkse propaganda.
Ah man...when I emigrated to Holland from the US back in 1978, I was virtually adopted by a group of young Mollucans with whom I had 2 things in common: a dark skin and a love for music. They took me everywhere! And the were genuinely interested in my experiences as a Black American in the States. I even learned a little Maleis from them. Really, really warm people. I've had the opportunity to perform twice with a band in the "Molukse wijk" and the build up was always the same. First they would look at you like, what are you doing here. Then a couple of guys would get thrown for an altercation, and then, because the vibe was so intense, you played like your hair was on fire! PLUS...after all this, you'd get at least 5 invitations to eat at people's and to come and sing, play music and talk! Such beautiful people. Musical and fiercely loyal. My good friend, Ating, who passed away a few years ago, introduced me to his culture. I will always love him for that.He was a talented bassist but more importantly, he was my friend.
Beautiful story, Greg! Thank you for sharing. Sorry for the loss of your friend; it sounds like he meant a lot to you and was a great person.
My friend in the Netherlands I stayed with is Moluccan. I met her when I was visiting South America got to meet her family and they are welcoming Beautiful People some of the nicest people. The history in the way they were able to stay unified is inspiring.
What brings them to south america? Just curious
You make really great in-depth content about your Dutch experience. Production quality is excellent too. I appreciate your efforts and interest in the Netherlands.
I appreciat this comment a lot, man! This is what I aim to provide!
I was just wondering when you would upload new video and here you are. So good you picked up this subject people need to be educated about this important part of our history.
Hey, Hunchback! I took a little time off, but I'm happy to be back! And indeed, I found this an interesting/unique topic to dive into. I hope you enjoyed.
@@exploringtheforeign Totally enjoyed it, I could smell the food… As you noticed there’s a lot of similarities with the Surinam food because of the Indonesian connection. Hope you can make this into a series because there’s so much to tell about the Molukse diaspora in the Netherlands.
I love how you make in depth videos about these Dutch subjects! I am Dutch and grew up in Drenthe. In the 70’s we had a few terrible attacks committed by Maluccan terrorist groups. The hijacking of two trains and a primary school. Especially the hostage situation at the primary school impacted us because at that time I was of the same age as the hostages. But even as a child I wanted to know what the motives of the hijackers were. I started to study the history of the Maluccan people in the Netherlands and the way they were treated by the Dutch government and even at that age I understood the generational trauma that impacted the community. At my first year in high school I gave a presentation about the history of the Malukkan people. Because of the terrorist attacks there was a very anti-Maluccan sentiment at the time so I did not make myself very popular with my opinions…
I am so happy and proud for these young people in your video who, despite of generational trauma because of a terrible betrayal, rise above anger and hate and put their energy in positive action! And I thank you for making these videos!
I appreciate your words and for you sharing your experiences! I said it in another comment, but not everything in a country's history are things to be proud of, but it's good to learn about those things and be aware in order to not make the same mistakes🙏🏾
As a Dutch person and Dutch teacher I always try to include talking about history, a large part of that is Indonesia. I told this story a lot about how the Dutch government treated the Moluccans after the revolution ended. Absolutely unacceotable, they fought for us and we thanked them by putting them in old concentration camps..... For real?! We owe them big time and the same goes for West Papua which is still illegaly occupied by Indonesia. The Dutch government was forced to reliquish their control over Indonesia because the USA threatened to cut off our Marshall plan help. So the Dutch government just kinda ran away from all of it and was like "not my problem anymore". Which is a massive stain on our legacy there. We should teach this stuff at schools!
Wow thats great to hear you teach that! As a girl with a Malucian mother I can appreciate that. Thank you!
Appreciate you sharing, Jason! Yeah, not everything in a country's history are things to be proud of and it's great to learn about and become aware of these kind of situations to be able to do better in the future🙏🏾
Don't you teach the kids that the Durch were colonisers there? That it's OK and good that they left? It's not good to fight on the side of the enemy (coloniser).
@@eazyemcoexactly! Crazy how people really think they should get recognized for joining colonizing. The molucans think they should get something for helping colonizing Indonesia.
@@eazyemcoof course they don’t get recognized. Y’all want recognition for murdering my ancestors. Literally
Hi Sam, I've been following your channel for a long, long time and I am very glad you took the time to look for the Moluccan-Dutch history. You say you never heared of Moluccan people. I think you already connected with us subconsciously. Just open your kitchen cabinet and look for the spices as mentioned in your video. Keep up the good work and always feel welcome in our community....
Wow, thank you Aku! Really kind of you to say this. Thank your for your continued support.
Thanks a lot for your work, Sam. Much appreciated, mate! Amatoo
Another great video, Sam! Thank you for shedding light on this wonderful Moluccan community! Well done😊
Thank you for watching! Glad you enjoyed; it was a fun one to make. :)
Great video, Sam! Thank you so very much!
Thank you!!
I’m half Indonesian (Javanese) and always invited to their partys😎
It's so great to see you back! You have been an inspiration to me learning Dutch!
Wow, thank you! How's it going with learning Dutch and what methods are you using to learn?
Love to see you connecting with "my people" (in The Netherlands)! ❤ I’m subscribed to your channel and I’ve been following you on RUclips for a while because I like to learn about American expats' experiences and life in the country I grew up in.
Americans in particular, because I am a Dutch expat living in the US for over 20 years.
This video is really special and it's a nice surprise to see you connecting with the Moluccan community in The Netherlands.
You rock, Sam! 👍
Aw man, thank you Joanne! It means a lot for you to be supporting for a while and to see you enjoyed the video. It was an honor to be welcomed into the community to make this.
How're you liking it in the US?
@@exploringtheforeign You’re so welcome, Sam!
We’ve lived in PA and moved back to The Netherlands after 2 years. Then years later we moved to NJ and we’ve been living there ever since. I have to honestly say, initially I wasn’t pleased with moving to NJ, I preferred to have moved to California but it’s all good now. New Jersey grew on me and we have made a bunch of friends here.
I like my life here and don’t see myself moving back to The Netherlands. Moreover, both my husband and I have become American citizens.
However, I do miss my relatives over there and we try to visit every year to see them. In between visits we keep in contact and thank God for the internet.
Oh wow, I was just visiting a friend in New Jersey about three weeks ago haha. Nice that you and your husband feel at home there. And I can definitely relate to missing family while living abroad.
Thank you for the attention for the Moluccan community, I myself am also of Moluccan descent from Nijmegen near Tiel. And yes the Moluccan community is very loose, when we go to a party or funeral we all greet each other and hug each other and then start talking and yes the first thing they ask is the last name from that you know where they come from in presiepe we all consider each other as family. Nice to see that you enjoyed the food from the Moluccan kitchen and the music, thank you for your beautiful vlog.
The pleasure was mine! Looking back on this video brings back fond memories that I experienced within the community.
And thank you for sharing your experiences
Molukse Sateh,van de buurman destijds in Elst.
Dat is van een heel ander level.
You’re back with a bang!! What a good subject choice. I bet a lot of Dutch people can learn from this, especially the younger ones. It’s an undervalued part of our history. Kudos to you to shine a light on this.
I really appreciate your focus on the current generation and the last shot that shows that so
well👏👏👏
Carolina! Heel leuk om jouw comments weer te zien. I'm happy to be back making videos and glad that you're still here enjoying the content. I learned a lot in the process of making this and glad you were able to take something away from it as well.
Wat heeft het nog voor zin om te leren van de geschiedenis als de regering de misdaden van bijv. Israel steunt? De huidige politici hebben allemaal les gehad in het slechte verleden van Nederland. Het helpt niets. Ik weet wel wie straks weer de schuld krijgt van die vermoorde Palestijnen? Het volk dat nooit iets wordt gevraagd. Collectieve schuld is uitgevonden om de echte criminelen, zij die achter de schermen aan de touwtjes trekken, te beschermen. Ik accepteer dat niet meer. En wie moet zich dan eigenlijk schuldig voelen? Alleen de originele Nederlanders (die toen nog niet geboren waren?) Of ook de nieuwere Nederlanders (die toen ook nog niet geboren waren en zelf afstammelingen zijn van slachtoffers van de criminelen?) Er worden voortdurend nieuwe slachtoffers gemaakt in onze naam en we kunnen er geen ruk aan doen. We moeten de politici persoonlijk verantwoordelijk houden. Niemand heeft ooit voor kolonisatie en oorlog gestemd.
He's alive!
YOU KNOW IT!
Glad you're back!
Thank you! More to come😁
Ayeeeee welcome back
Thank you!
Yes!! Good 2 see you back Sam. Heb er naar uitgekeken 👍🏻. Wish we had a little more of that community feeling. Ik weet dat mijn oud collega’s met een Molukse achtergrond ook erg van muziek houden en zelf ook een instrument spelen.
Hoi Wielie! Leuk om jouw reacties weer te lezen! Dankjewel voor het kijken😁 meer onderweg! En ik hoop dat alles goed is met jou.
Terima kasih untuk videonya. Senang Anda kembali.
Terima kasih for watching and still supporting!
Man I'm so glad you're back! We're a similar demographic and I'm moving to NL in about a year. Your videos are gold to me!
Really appreciate this! Thank you for watching and supporting.
From a Dutchmans perspective these videos often give a unique perspective on our little country showing some less than usual topics with a genuine smile. Definitely a good source of information if you're going to move here soon. Safe travels in advance 😊
@shoelacedonkey This is awesome feedback to receive. Thank you!
@SDavis2702 what made you want to move to the Netherlands and where are you coming from?
@@exploringtheforeign Thanks for asking! I'm a 40 year old black man from St. Louis. Software/web developer by trade, which is what I've been doing since separating from the US Army in 2012 after 9 years served. Since then, I have been working from home in various US cities, just experiencing different locations because I had the freedom and resources to do so. I lived in downtown Austin, TX; downtown San Diego, CA; downtown Chicago, IL; and now I'm back in St. Louis grabbing this degree from a hometown university. This spirit of exploration sets the stage.
My VA education benefits are set to expire in 2027. So, in 2023, I made the tough decision to pause my career and go back to school full-time to grab my "free" education before I lost the benefits forever. Thankfully, I graduate in spring 2025 with a Bachelor's in Information Systems and Technology. Earlier this year, summer 2024, I participated in my university's study abroad program in Bremen, Germany. I LOVED it there. However, I found myself traveling to the Netherlands on the weekends. Plus, I flew in and out of Amsterdam and took the train to and from Bremen. I stopped in several smaller cities in both countries along the way. Given my interest in history, I was so fascinated by both countries.
Though I had been out of the country several times before, I never explored much as a civilian. I wanted two of my little sisters to experience it (for the first time), so I flew them out to Amsterdam during the study abroad program. I knew how being in Germany (as opposed to the US) made me feel, and I watched my sisters have the same incredible experience in the Netherlands. We "lived" in an AirBnB on Javastraat in Indische Buurt, Amsterdam. I was able to teach my baby sister (19) how to use the amazing public transportation, which I fell in love with out there. My other sister (37) was so calm and peaceful and happy while we were there, which is not something I get to see much from her in St. Louis. The experience just confirmed for me that securing money in life isn't enough... you have to secure peace (in its many forms) as well. I felt ready to drastically improve this balance I had been searching for with all my previous moves.
When I got back home this summer, I immediately sold my car and began downsizing literally all my possessions. My goal is to move to the Netherlands around summer or early fall 2025 with just my 55L Osprey travel bag (which is all I took to Germany for 5 weeks, by the way). I will be using the DAFT visa, as I am a seasoned software developer ready to meet all the requirements. I have been learning Dutch for the last three months. Het is een moeilijk taal maar ik blijf studeren. I have pretty much shifted my entire life towards making this happen, so I'm excited to experience my 40s out there. My soft goal is permanent residency, but I don't want to get too ahead of myself.
So, yes, your videos are what literally fuel my daydreams of what's to come. I also watch Learn Dutch with Kim (I loved when y'all collaborated), Mama Dutch, and so many more content creators.
In just a few days, I'm flying back to Amsterdam and immediately taking a train to Rotterdam to stay in a hotel. I'll be in the Netherlands from October 16th to the 20th. The goal of the trip is to "city shop." Rotterdam will be my home base and I'll take day trips to other cities that I haven't seen yet. I know it will be difficult to get an apartment next year when the time comes, but I figure it'll be a little easier if I know what to expect and have a general idea of where I'd like to be!
Again, thanks for all the uploads! I'm not afraid to make moves in life, but it's so much easier when I know for a fact that the move is possible. Your channel made it clear to me. Plus, I dream of the day I can fly my mom out like you did. Man... I can't wait to get there.
❤❤❤ to my Maluku friends. True❤true friendship
Nice vlog about a bit of the Moluccan culture👌🏼
Thank you 🙌
I enjoyed this video very much. I was born in 1953. I did my military conscript service as an Infantry Sargent in Amsterdam in 1974/75 on the ONK (Orange Nassau Baracks) in the Sarphatistraat. My unit was a patrol unit with the task of securing military warehouses and ammo storages all around Amsterdam. My unit was the 420 IBC Mobiel Van Heutsz, originating from the KNIL Not only all our weapons were stamped with KNIL, also a lot of staff like Sargent Majors, Adjutants and administrative Corporal were former members of KNIL They had real combat experience and told us the history of the Moluccans. I'm not completely sure, but I had the impression some of them were Moluccans, but they sure served together with al lot of Moluccans in the KNIL. Some told me they (also the Dutch KNIL personnel) were already Sargent Major in the KNIL and had to start as a soldier again in the Dutch army arriving in The Netherlands. They got their old ranks again after a while. We had a white KNIL Marechaussee (Military Police) Opperwachtmeester with us, then working as a Sargent Major sniper, who had exactly the same. During my service Moluccans took hostages in the Indonesian Embassy. One morning I witnessed an Indo Sargent Major arriving at his work on a Military compound taking a M1 .30 US Carabine from the passenger seat of his private car. His comment "Ik ken de zonen van mijn makkers." I know the sons of my buddies.
Mix to that Surinam was getting independent and lots of Surinam guys came to the Netherlands and had to do their military service. It sure was a multi cultural unit. One of the most memorable periods of my life and the memories make me smile. Later I became a police officer and my inside knowledge of the Moluccan community and history was essential in certain conflicts.
Still today military cooks serve "blauwe hap". KNIL style meals .. once in a while.
Really awesome to hear you enjoyed it and thank you for sharing your story. I could imagine you have many many more interesting stories like this from your time in the military.
I am born in Netherlands and my mother is from Maluku 🎉 rms
Mooie video en mooie initiatieven 💙🤍💚❤️❤️❤️
Dankjewel!
Very good video brother. We as Black people have a lot in common with them.
Thank you!
Molukse broeders en zusters, onze overheid heeft gefaald, maar alle respect en lof naar de molukkers.
Ik zat in Culemborg op school.
Maar ik snapte pas jaren later waarom hun houding zo was.
Inderdaad,,big fail van den Haag.
@@RedbadvanRijn-ft3vvKlopt helemaal niet.
Kijk eens naar Adriaan van Dis .fragment .Dan ga je anders denken.
Regering faalt in alles, ze laten immers ook hun eigen mensen in de steek! ❤️🇳🇱
I,m for 25 percent from molucan origin but I feel more Dutch at the first place
Terimah Kasi for this vlog.....
Terimah kasi for watching!
Glad to see you back diving into other cultures here theres quite a few generally not much contact due to bad reputations from a few that cause trouble sadly. Another culture here that has close ties to Holland is Suriname nice people have friends from both. Two which dosnt have so much history living here are Marrocans and Turks and theres quite a lot of peoople from Ukraine because of the war. Glad the weather wasnt too bad but it is as it is just have to make the best of it which it looks like you are. Have an enjoyable weekend.
Hey, John! Great to be hearing from you again. Thank you for having supported the channel for all this time! There are definitely many more cultures I can dive into here in the Netherlands which gets me excited for future ideas.
I hope you have a great weekend as well!
Actually they are several communities , as they come from different islands...
But there is an overarching shared historical cultural experience that goes back thousands of years. Even including Timor Leste, North Australia and West Papua.
Goede informatie! Thanks!
Thank you for watching!
Maluku
well... Soekarno already declared Proklamation of Indonesia... what to do they could not have an island independent separated from Indonesia😢😢 complicated ! meanwhile the Dutch already lost the war
nice video, from a Moluccan from Zwolle😊
Heel erg bedankt!
Hey, medezwollenaar! Groeten van een niet-molukker die gek op de Indische keuken ( en Aziatische keuken in het algemeen ) is.
@@duncanmcdane388❤️🇳🇱🤙💪
@@duncanmcdane388 scheelt dat de molukse keuken niet aziatisch is
@@nysic1234 ok vervelio.
In the 70’s USA journalist described Moluccans the same as the black panther party. Because of their dark skin and afro’s.
Good job Sam❤❤❤❤
Thank you!❤️
The Indonesians were called Moluccans to distinguish their territory from the Samoan invasion when the Dutch ruled Ghana and Indonesia for more than 300 years alot immigrated here to the Netherlands. There is a strong connection with Ghana in Indonesia as with the Netherlands also there was a high potential to immigrate to the New Netherlands, New York.
Ah, so the Dutch, not the Ashanti Empire, ruled over Ghana? Where did you learn this?
@@AsscherMazzelaar Dutch Gold Coast ruled for over 300 years
@@gullyhart2029 The king of Ashanti visited the Netherlands not too long ago, commemorating three or four centuries of friendship and trade with Ghana, yet you say the Netherlands ruled over Ghana?
@@AsscherMazzelaar 350 years to be presize yes ruled the Ashanti perhaps 60 forts and castles by Governors from the Netherlands (Dutch Gold Coast)
@@gullyhart2029 And what use did these forts and trading posts serve? Was trade the reason? Whom did the Dutch trade with?
They are just people
Food looked mouthwatering!
It was so good!!
I see the video coming Brockton/ Rotterdam the Cape Verdean people!😁
We are Maluku Melanesia, part of Pasifika/the Pacific. Our brothers and sisters are from Papua, Samoa, Hawaii, Tonga and the rest of Pasifika ✊🏽 we are not Asian, we are not Indonesian, we are Maluku ✊🏽
We zijn beide, asian en melanessian. Austronesische haplogroup gaat zo ver als Taiwan maar dit in ook in melanessie het geval. We zijn ons eigen, asian en melanesian.
@@PERSUTUAN010 Nee, we zijn gewoon Melanesisch met wat meer Austronesisch dna dan andere Melanesiërs. Maakt ons niet Aziatisch. Met deze logica zou je zeggen dat de Hawaiianen, Samoanen etc. ook Aziatisch zijn, maar is in de early 2000’s al lang onderzoek naar gedaan en besloten dat Aziaten en mensen van de Pacific gescheiden zijn en niet als Aziatisch gezien word. De oorspronkelijke bewoners van Madagascar hebben ook Austronesisch dna, maar daar zeggen we ook niet van dat ze Aziatisch zijn.
Wow! I’m already a subscriber of your channel. Thank you so much for dedicating an episode to my people.🔵⚪️🟢🔴🔴🔴
Thank you for being subscribed and for taking the time to watch🙏🏾❤️
Indonesian independence is in 1945, not 1949 (as the Dutch claimed). They waged war between 1945 and 1949 after WW2, and cannot until now acknowledge that Indonesia had already declared the independence in 1945, because that means they have caused and war with a sovereign nation and is practically obliged to pay the damages!
Not true, the republic of Indonesia was declared in 17 August 1945 that only consist of Java, parts of Sumatra and Bali. All the other islands like Maluku, Borno, Aceh, Flores, Sumbawa where never part of that Republic. Facts!
@@Perintis_Aksi_Kilat you said it yourself, the Republic of Indonesia declared the independence on 17th August 1945. So I am right. Thanks for thr confirmation...
🤣 the Republic of Indonesia is not the same as modern day Indonesia which was proclaimed at 17 August 1951. I mean, can you read? If you don’t know the history you should just stfu 🤫
Next time try eat Papeda and kohu kohu
Just looked it up and now I'm curious to try!
When are you gonna upload my interview video 😢(Dutch school)
Die komt binnenkort!
Thanks!
Melanesia !!! MENA MURIA !!! VIVA RMS !!! Sampe lama nja
Nice people .
A dark page in our history ! Well done Sam ! ❤❤
Hoi Yvonne! Awesome to speak with you again in the comments. And yeah, not all parts of history are nice or positive, but it's good to shed light on those moments and be honest about them in order to prevent them from repeating :)
@@exploringtheforeign yes Sam. It is good to see you in action again. You do it so well with much charm.🌷👍👍
😂😂
Holland also produced kilos of kokaine in Indonesia
So bad that the molukkers forget where they come from. Some have dutch names dont know their own language.
Nice video, too bad you missed a lot of essential context though…
Feel free to share any information you feel I should know or should've been added🙏🏾 glad you still enjoyed!
Do you have like an email adress I can send it to? Or should I post it here?
Maluku❤
As a Dutch person I feel guilty about how we treated the Moluccans.
Blijf je maar schuldig voelen. Want de Molukkers staan onder de 6 andere volken aan wie jullie schuld hebben.
You pick and choose what to feel guilty about.
😂😂 lefty
@@luciferslight5306Anonmiempje, dit heeft niks met links of rechts te maken
@@PERSUTUAN010 jullie hebben je land verraden en zijn goed groot gebracht met speciale onderzetters
Dit kanaal verwijderd kritische berichten over molukkers !
Ik heb niks verwijderd😂
I am Dutch and I only know this community for hijacking two trains and one primary school in the 70s. No love.
Geef dr regering maar dr schuld voor t feit dat ze ons negeerden en ons in kampen stopten terwijl onze oudjes hier niet eens wilde zijn pannekoek
@@PERSUTUAN010 in Kampen stoppen? jullie doen alsof ze jullie vermoorden en vergaste. Het was tijdelijk huizing net als de asielzoekers nu krijgen. De slachtoffers die jullie maakte kregen niks.
Wat hebben de Nederlanders allemaal niet gedaan ? .
@@Jaa__17die arrogantie van jullie zal jullie ondergang worden.
@@Jaa__17tijdelijke huis vesting ja? 20 jaar in een kamp vol met asbest, grote gezinnen vol trauma ds regering die onze zaak volledig negeert, en dat vergelijk jij met de asielzoekers die hier alles cadeau krijgen???
But you are Dutch because Indonesië was a colonne of the Netherlands so let us Embraer you.❤❤❤
Dutch people aint black
no they're indonesian
@@royanjunior9782 no moluccan. Different country
@@nysic1234 different country? i search there's no country name mollucans, Maluku or mollucans is one of the province in indonesia
@@royanjunior9782 occupied.
Moluccans lived all through the Netherlands every province had/has their own moluccan communities. Why always report from the western provinces? I'm sick and tired of all the video's neglecting the north, south and eastern communities.
I'm not too familiar with where other videos are reporting from, but in this video I was also in Tiel, which I'm pretty sure Gelderland isn't considered a western province aha. And also, the Sama Sama fesitval had Moluccan people from all over the country coming to. Thank you still for watching!
Why the drama…
So somebody forces you to watch videos from places divided so unevenly over the country that it causes sickness and exhaustion? Or else, why would you make yourself suffer in such devastating ways?
Another dark page in the recent Dutch history. I hope individual Dutch people acted better than our government in their dealings with the Molukkers. I am grateful for all the cultural enrichment people from our former colonies brought to us. The world is a melting pot and this will only increase forever and ever. People who vote PVV or worse don;t get it, they cling to a past that never was and never will be. In the end we are one species, like the humans in Star Trek, representing planet Earth. Maybe one day it won't matter anymore where your ancestors were born. Explore the Foreign! (NB I don't think we will ever explore other star systems, physics says no)
I guess what people also don't get is there are reasons why people voted for PVV anyway. It's not about the people that are already here. It is the issues that the country is dealing with right now that is not being solved. The way the government handled this with the natives wasn't good. They are put out of their homes so they can place new immigrants in the homes. They do this with elderly people. Young people that can find no homes. It's not about immigrants itself, it's about not having the homes available to have these amounts of people coming in and housing them. This affects people. We have a shortage of 400.000 homes and even though they built around 70.000 each year. Every year 100,000 immigrants come in. The thing is that someone needs to solve the housing crisis. We will go back to the period after WW2 when there was a housing crisis because of the bombings. My grandmother with my grandpa lived on the attic with 2 kids and had the toilet outside. They shared the house and the only solution I can think of is that we will go that direction again. People need to be prepared for that.
@@-_YouMayFind_- Preach my friend, that is what many of my family members keep telling me. There are many new immigrants who are granted houses and complain. Compared to my grandparents, who on both my father and mother's side had to stay in camps or share a 1 bedroom house with a family of 10. Now their grandchildren can't find their own place, of course they are unhappy about it and vote PVV. (Not saying it is the best choice) Today you don't hear a lot of complaints about the 'Indo' community because most of 'us' are pretty well integrated in Dutch society.
Do you live under a rock or someting
Did you mis the problems a few years ago in Culemborg with Islam and Moluccans?
That,s one of the many reasons so many voted for PVV.
Watch Lebanese journalist woman Gabrielle,she show what Islam did whit the successful Switzerland of the Midle East Lebanon.
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They are INDONESIAN 🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩
Indonesians are lighter, slik hair.
@@nysic1234 lies, Indonesians come in all colours, but yes Moluccan people are Melanasian
@@dabwayy4822 not lies. Moluccans are way darker. And yes we are Melanesian.
@@nysic1234 it is, cause there are darksin Indonesians too....
@@dabwayy4822 not as dark as Melanesian are
The Indonesians were called Moluccans to distinguish their territory from the Samoan invasion when the Dutch ruled Ghana and Indonesia for more than 300 years alot immigrated here to the Netherlands. There is a strong connection with Ghana in Indonesia as with the Netherlands also there was a high potential to immigrate to the New Netherlands, New York.
We never ruled Ghana. We ruled Suriname which we trade with the British for Manhattan. Lots of Dutch people with Suriname/African roots are originally from Ghana, that's true but that has something to do with slavery. Apparently we bought / shipped / sold lots of people from nowadays Ghana...
@@duncanmcdane388 Ghana was Dutch Colony I send you a source
@@duncanmcdane388 The Dutch Gold Coast or Dutch Guinea, officially Dutch possessions on the Coast of Guinea (Dutch: Nederlandse Bezittingen ter Kuste van Guinea) was a portion of contemporary Ghana that was gradually colonized by the Dutch, beginning in 1612. The Dutch began trading in the area around 1598, joining the Portuguese which had a trading post there since the late 1400s. Eventually, the Dutch Gold Coast became the most important Dutch colony in West Africa after Fort Elmina was captured from the Portuguese in 1637, but fell into disarray after the abolition of the slave trade in the early 19th century. On 6 April 1872, the Dutch Gold Coast was, in accordance with the Anglo-Dutch Treaties of 1870-71, ceded to the United Kingdom.[
@@gullyhart2029 Hardly a colony. Just a couple of fortresses / rrading posts with a bit of hinterland. Like we had in Recife and also in the Indies and so on. But you are right. I think through modern eyes we could call it a colony. In school ( I'm 53 ) we learned at the time about the trading posts we had and the ones with eventually turned into colonies like I mentioned. Some trading posts we didn't kept that long btw and what we still had of those we lost after the Napoleonic Wars - . With Indonesia / the Dutch Indies we shared a collective history for about 350 years until they broke free. With Suriname it was a little over 300 years.
Nevertheless, the slavery era and our history with that only recently got the attention it deserves. Yeah, we were taught about it but only very superficial, not in dept and not what it meant to the people themselves.
@@duncanmcdane388 exactly the last sentence let me know. You got the comprehensive skills to even talk about this situation.