The Supercharged Studebaker Returns! 1961 Hawk Progress, Responding To Comments, Tuning, And More
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- In this video: Studebaker V8 expansion/core plug tech, distributor and timing discussion, tips on how to install automotive carpet, running out of gas, yelling at commenters, and more.
Ahhhh, the comment section... My favorite! The last video on this car took me a year to make. I really didn't discuss a lot of the finer details of the problems I had. So, naturally, the commenters had some questions... Today, I'll address the biggest ones, and then we can all move on with our lives.
Studebakers were super cool...especially supercharged models like this...Thanks for sharing your Studebaker experience.
Thanks for your patience, for people who don't understand how hard you work on these old classic vehicles.I would be proud to let you work on any vehicle I own classic or otherwise, best regards, I enjoy all your videos
Thank you!
The Studebaker videos you have made have always commanded my complete attention. Good work 👍👏
Man what an awesome video! My grandfather had a Studebaker Hawk in 1960's I don't remember if it was supercharged? I think it might've been because I remember hearing stories of him being quicker than other's but I'm not sure if was charged or not, Beautiful car! Seriously cool your taking care of it!
Always remember, Jamie, that opinions are like arseholes....everybody's got one and they're usually full if sh*t. Personally, I could relate to the level of frustration that this project created. Just keeping it real. Just subscribed as I just found your channel a couple of weeks ago. Big fan of VGG, WWW, NNKH and Diesel Creek....and now Dead Dodge Garage.
Thank you!
ported vacuum was used on many engines of all makes from the 30's as far as I know. my 59 Rambler v8 uses pored vacuum on a 2v Holley. some manufacturers didn't use any vacuum port to save a dollar. I looked at a 170cid in a falcon and it had a fixed ignition timing , no fly weights or vacuum. advance. was surprised. no wonder the car had no power. I have dodge 230 distributors some have vacuum ad vance some don't . depends on which bean corner was in charge that week.
Lol, I can remember seeing Studebakers on the dirt tracks, trying to keep up with the Mercs and Chevys (not to reveal my age or anything), and some of them had a clutch on the blower so it handled better in the corners. I saw two of these at a local garage, a Hawk and a Silver Hawk. The owner was trying to install a Chevy power train built around a 350, while using the Hawk as a parts car for the body and interior. Sadly he did not have your patience and later scrapped them both. I really enjoy your videos of bringing these classics, including the Studebaker, back to life. Keep it up, we will all watch and cheer you on.
My first car was a 69' polara with a 383 two barrel...even came across a 1966 4 door Polara with I think the last year of a big block 318?..the car was awesome...I am 62 now but in 79 and early 80's I had access to a lot of ol
Critic's be damned, this is one of my favorite YT channels. Don't let the know it alls ruin it for you. This car was and is a learning experience. Great job Dude!
Thank you! I’ll be fine. Haha.
Your doing a great job and I am leaning very much !!!
Don't bother with those trolls ! Hope you and your family had a great Thanksgiving !!! Thanks for all the info and entertainment !!!
actually Studebaker used both 4 BBL and 2 BBL. the earlier golden hawks had the older McCulloch superchargers 2 BBL carb inside a pressure box. I have this configuration on my 59 hawk with a supercharged 259 v8. I also got a lot of greif from the purists for my build. Just ignore the arm chair experts and keep doing what you are doing. You are learning a new engine and you are doing very well.
Roight. The carb box setup. I just find it fascinating that someone could know that setup exists, but doesn’t know that this setup does.
Cool to hear of someone else doing a non-original but still officially Stude supercharger mod! I'm the owner of the car in the vid. An old-timer in the Stude community told me something to the effect of, "Really, you probably could've ordered a supercharged Studebaker in '59-'62, it just would've been a special order. The company was tanking too hard for them to refuse any business at all." So, not that you or I need justification for building the car we really want...but I liked hearing that. And it's probably true!
Hope you're enjoying your hot '59.
Don't pay attention to those keyboard jockeys. They couldn't drive a 3 on the tree if they had to. Mom, What's this third pedal for ? Great car. You do what you have to do to make things work on older cars. !!! Good job !. Thx for sharing.
This is very entertaining to a lifetime Studebaker person like myself. Most of your issues are due to modifications. Original parts are plentiful for Studebaker's.
I'm Mopar through and through , but this series about this car is a refreshing change of pace ....
Man that thing sounds strong! Recurve the advance for sure. The AFB is Ok, but Im sure more carb would be better. Many of those old mills had ported vacuume. Keep goin',,,Izzy,,,,,
Haha, aren't you amazed at how many sobs out there know more than you do, when you're the one working on whatever at the time..? Geez! You do whatever you want there, I'll be watching, and not whining, oops I mean complaining.! Lol!
Just remember that people have decided to ignore FACTS. If they think it's true, then that's all they care about. RUclips comment sections are a direct link to the damp basements of people's brains. You need to ignore them.
I know… but I can’t. For one thing, a big part of what I do is answer people’s questions, and that’s where they are usually found. There is a lot I can learn too - even from people who clearly don’t understand what I’m doing here.
Bought my first 53 in 1977
Just got another one.
1953 K car
2dr hardtop
Love the channel !!
Incidentally… I’m also a 53..
Been a minute;-))
Dude, don't take it personally & don't feed the cowardly trolls, as they stink anyway. I've owned, (30 years ago) a '56 Golden, a '62 GT & a '63 Avanti, all R1s, & sadly, the only tool I wield is the pen, so I can't help....
Wow. So many experts..if it works, it works....leave Jamie to fixing and passing info..
U do good mate, the whingers probably changed the rims on their HOTWHEELS cars. Those of us that have built cars watched with rapt attention happy 2 b along for the ride . Luv ya work mate, cheers.
Studebaker had its charms and people that liked them really, really liked them. I have a 63 Lark with the marginally powered 170, it's a hoot to drive and people really notice it around town. I enjoy it because it's cheap to drive and easy to work on!
Well Jamie looks like you are slowly but surely working out all those bugs out of the Ole Studebaker, I admire your patients and persistence with it. Sure is a beautiful car, your friend is lucky to have her, looks like it's going to be a lot of fun when you are done with it!
Really like your videos Jamie, wish you could help me with my Bee. And again, forget about those naysayers, you have more knowledge and integrity then all of them.
Old vehicles are an exercise in self punishment, patience and problem solving. The more hands that have been involved on a vehicle the more the first three things come into play
Thanks for bring brutally honest about fixing up an old car. Studmakers are almost as good as Mopars. LOL
Now a committed viewer I wouldn't sweat the little shit that's a really neet old car but I'm a Dodge guy too. Over the years I have had many muscle cars and enjoyed them all! And the fastest were the Mopars👍👍
Jamey….. if the fact checkers on the expansion pluuuuuuugs…… freeze plugs screw it…. Wanna add there der der der comments…. Let them show there proof…. If what you did works…. And all is dry… I call it a win win! Enjoy your videos man… had a 1971 Dodge Dart Swinger for my first car at 16…. 2 door bucket seats but had a 318… was gold with a brown vinyl top…. Dang wish I never sold it… take care n keep warm!
Chris- Tuscaloosa Al
Thank you for addressing that antique car restoration is nothing like what you see on TV! I have a solid theory that every overpriced project car for sale on Facebook marketplace is being sold by someone whose only actual antique car experience is what they have learned on cable TV car shows and auctions and believe them to be ‘spot on’ reliable regarding how easy old cars are to both restore and to market and resell. Funny how even after the car’s third year of being listed for sale without any price reduction, the seller still holds onto those fantasies?
Watching the gremlins reminded me of the nick name that Studebakers had back in the day was “Steady Breakers”. I think they may have always been a bear to get running right even when stock.
Atta boy Jamie. Stay after it until it behaves - and honestly, with the quality of gas these days and given
the "build" of that engine, it may just come down to not running vacuum advance at all (mechanical only).
My '68 440 is that way now - it flat out hates any vacuum advance being applied (and yes, Ma says *ported*
as well), so it runs a Direct Connection electronic ignition conversion kit with 12 initial/36 all in advance
and loves it (and doesn't rattle, just as important).
It no doubt costs a little fuel economy, but with the purpleshaft in it, I wasn't going to get any anyways.
Enjoyed the episode as always and we'll see you next time.
- Ed on the Ridge
Thank you for this. I know nothing about Studebakers except they look cool.
You do some good work and also have a flair in narrating the vids...GOOD WORK!
Great video. You handled the nay'ers with a very dry sense of humor. I enjoyed your answers. Keep up the great work.
Roses and puppy dog kisses.......I do believe you are correct about that.
Being an old MOPAR tech, I also enjoyed the Studebaker video as I also like AMC stuff also. As I grew into the car field in the sixties, I veered toward Chrysler projects and AMC as they always seemed ahead of the competition in coming out with new technology.
Some serious persistence needed to get this thing right, great content as usual!
Your show rocks and there's always going to be wrench throwing with us mechanics
Dennis Collins bought one of these some time back. They might be able to help if you get stuck.
It’s funny how you have to explain yourself to the haters great videos
Enjoying the Studebaker vids AND your channel. It's great when you get into other projects outside the usual stuff. Your responses to comments were awesome.
Ahhh, we have that same wood stove at our Christmas tree farm! Either that or like the one we have in the gift shop.
Have you tried timing using vacuum? An old mechanic was helping me time my 68 Mustang with an aftermarket cam, intake and carburetor. He told me to hook up a vacuum gage and increase the timing to reach the maximum inches of vacuum, then retard it until vacuum drops 2 inches. It seemed to work great for my application.
I’m familiar 🙂
I love the Power Wagon!! Glad you included it in this video.
Friends dad owned one in high school the thing was a ripper. We used to steal it when the old man was at work lol.
Yeah..........Studebaker people can be a bit of a buzz kill......hence I went back to my Mopar roots. You're doing great work, don't let the bastards get you down.
In my opinion you have one of the coolest shop trucks on RUclips 👍
Found it! Haha! Roast them haters, mate. You aint doing anything weird like pouring metal filings into the carb to speed up the running in process or nailing the carpet to the floor....but in case you think of trying that last one, the only way it works is if you clamp a piece of wood underneath the car for the nail to go into. Works a treat - and if it's long enough, it also reinforces the rusty metal on a soft floorpan so your feet don't go through it.
Good to know 😅
Excellent job 👏 👍
Takes loads of patience 😊
Well connected Studebaker restorers can get '61 Studebaker parts a lot easier than you think. Probably a lot easier than '61 MOPAR parts.
Thanks to this job, I have the phone numbers of the well connected Studebaker guys. Lol. Also, while I had this car, we were offered an entire ‘61 Hawk for parts by a mutual friend of someone who saw it in my shop.
Could see a different carb (throttle plates possibly letting air threw the shafts?) being installed to help with running issues and putting it on a engine dyno would be very interesting.... Great content and thanks....and keep your restoration skills well honed no matter what shows up at the garage door.
Sounds great its gonna fly when you run the engine in and fully tune it.
love your channel mate.so much information and highly entertaining...dead dodge garage keeping it real..looking forward to the next video
Thank you!
I have always referred to them as freeze plugs. Sue me.
Some people should check their tongues at the door.
Man just do your thing who cares what the whiners think
Awesome video on studebaker tuning,, I'm a new sub and watched your previous vid also,very informative and your humor is great. Keep them coming!
Thank you!
Dead dog garage lol. You are smarter than the average bear.
The comments about the 2 bbl carb being used on the supercharged 289's was about the early 57/58 289 which used a 2 bbl. fully enclosed in an aluminum chamber. Most Studebaker guys know the 60's used a special 4 bbl. blow through set up.
You’re absolutely right! It’s a really interesting study in who knows what - and how proud people are to declare things they’re wrong about. The thing is, all of these different Studebaker packages are rare, kind of weird, and relatively unknown by the general automotive public. This has been a crash course for me too, and although I’ve done a ton of research, I’d be the last person to claim that I could possibly know everything there is to know about them.
My feelings is there’s no car like a mopar
Everyones a fricken Rocket scientist. Funny as hell. Probably dont even own 1 tool.
Surely you aren’t referring to me with that. If you have any questions, see my “confessions of a tool snob” video
@DeadDodgeGarage Not you...the clowns giving you a hard time.
As always, a great and unique video. Less than 6 months ago I stood just outside of the long abandoned Studebaker plant in Dei-Twas, AKA Detroit. The plant was enormous. On a completely different subject, have you ever been to the NAPA Auto Parts store in Raymond?
Oh man, that’s awesome. No I don’t think I’ve ever been in that Napa, but I’ve gone to Borden’s a time or two.
The Hawk is awesome, it's just so much fun to see old technology at work. When it does work, it seems like it's always a moment away from breaking down.
That was my general feeling too. Haha.
Can you tell by the S/N if it was built with the blower? OEM super charged Fords S/Ns started with 'F'. F models are worth a huge amount more than standard models. Far as I know post war only Studebaker and Ford had supercharged models I suspect because the engines were sturdy enough for easy blower application which Chev engines were not. Do you figure that's why mopars also didn't have blowers?
I have a pal that has his dads 57 Hawk with 1965 Bonneville document 173 MPH but it has a Ford 427/T10, car was also their daily driver. The interesting bit is its the only Hawk I ever saw without fins which made it a better looking car. Apparently they are 53 bodies with fins spot welded on. Imagine that speed with that era tires.
I had a 57 Hawk in early 70s, paid $75 for it only needed a battery and another set of $5 junk yard tires, really liked that car. Let it go after I broke an axle doing too many burnouts.
Don’t have to - this was swapped in. It’s not originally a boosted / R2 powered car. I can’t speak for Ford, but Studebaker used the supercharger to try and match the horsepower numbers that other manufacturers were getting without one. The Stude engine architecture is severely limited for naturally aspirated power production, but the supercharger was a natural fit.
Freeze plug, frost plug, expansion plug. Plug plug who are the people who give a fawk. Dear god that must be a rough existence. 😅.
Srsly tho. lol. The pedantic police
Blower requires blower cam grind, low compression heads, special carburetor with big accelerator pump, higher pressure fuel pump and no intake leaks including the carb throttle shafts. Should be about 5lbs boost at 5K. I put a pressure relief valve on the bonnet to control pressure and prevent air shock from high rpm/throttle off, and it sounds cool.
If the timing marks are on a rubber mounted balancer I wouldn't trust the marks unless confirmed TDC, not even a rebuilt balancer. My 3 high performance yblocks do not use vac advance, recurved and all are dyno tuned. Single carb, dual carb and powerdyne blower (tossed the paxton, 18hp just to turn it). None of my engines ended up factory timing and each is different timing.
Please replace the pressure side rubber fuel hoses, 10-20 years later?? MSD does same thing as dual points, highly recommended for blower motors but use copper contact distributor caps and isolate plug wires, even MSD wires arc at high load.
I used to tune by ear, lost 2 high buck engines to detonation I didn't know was happening.
It has all of those things. Boost referenced mechanical fuel pump, correct original R2 Carter, etc. Timing mark verified. Yep, that’s exactly it. They are all going to be different. Rubber hoses are in good condition - I checked. We’re getting there.
It's not a Mopar, but it's still a nice rig.
Don’t listen to the BS people brotherman
1) Keep doing what you are doing Jamie 20,000 people like it and more subscribers are on their way 2) The Dodge Power Wagon laughs at safety features like having to push the clutch in when starting the engine 3) When working on old cars its sometimes better to treat it like a journey to enjoy as you go along rather than only being happy when its finally finished. Take pride in getting that $#@%@ rusted snapped off bolt out after 3 hours working on it. Of course the word enjoy is not always top of mind when you are dropping F bombs and firing a wrench at the wall lol
Yeah, that. Haha. I agree. The Power Wagon absolutely predates safety by, like, a lot… no seat belts, no padded dash, collapsing column… there aren’t even bolts holding the seat in, just little post things. What’s a crumple zone? You are the crumple zone.
Great job the video,car,❓ It looks like you stuck your foot in it and your hands in a hornets nest.And sounds you have you have a over load of armchair mechanics. And I am no mechanic or armchair mechanic so I was thinking maybe you just stick a LS in there and forget about pretty sure it would fit if they can get in the Vega, Pinto, so it'll surely go on that. I have a question. Maybe somebody will answer it. Studebakers rambler's and AMCs for before my time did AMC own Studebaker?
No, AMC never ate Studebaker. It was originally part of the plan for AMC, but there were management disputes between the two companies and it didn’t happen. Stude merged with Packard, which didn’t work all that well, and continued alone until 1966 when they called it quits.
Just going out on a limb, but do they have a harmonic balancer? Could it have separated the elastomer?
On old Hondas (late 70s) that i used to work on, the vacuum advance plates would be gummed up and not rotate. Greatly reducing acceleration. Or the vacuum can wasn't holding vacuum.
Is it a Bake-lite distributor cap?
Timing mark verified. Mechanical advance weight movement and return, vacuum advance movement and vacuum diaphragm all checked, good. It’s a modernish replacement cap.
The chronic complainers in the comments are generally imbeciles. I have owned 5 early 60s Ramblers and have spent many hours cursing and banging my knuckles attempting to remove reluctant bolts and other recalcitrant parts. At times I had to walk away, drink a beer, and call it a day. I feel your pain. Keep up the good work. Love your videos.
Yep… that’s the way it goes. Thank you!
Been trying to think of a good insult this whole video. Sorry,can't come up with one.😅 Another fine video once again. Tried telling you just use the expandable core plugs but you didn't hear me through my phone.😊
🤣 at least you tried!
love the Power wagon. i also have one I drive occasionally. The studebaker Hawk is a neat car . I have a 66 rambler 232 that i turbocharged in the 70's . at best it put out 320 hp andiron a 13.6 second 1/4 mile. timing is a big deal along with fuel. I had to run 100 octane avgas to get the power i wanted. as you go into boost vacuum advance has to quit. and maybe retard the mechanical or not allow it to advance as much.. errors will result in broke pistons and rings. Ask me how i know. I put 500k miles on it before my wife made me park it. timing profiles I did with tryle and mostly error. you may have to make the Hawk
retarded to protect it. Its harder to find parts for than the Rambler.
Yep… that’s the game I’m playing now. Going to cut the advance curve about in half so I can get it happy, and I may add a fitting in the intake to get manifold vacuum to the advance pod.
You had a live stream yesterday?
I'm kidding :-) I'm watching because I like the videos!
On Monday’s yesterday 😅
Night shift once robbed and changed an APU harness on one of out helicopters because The APU would not light off. Takes a whole shift to swap the harness...access sucks. Day crew comes in and says " there was no fuel in it ya boneheads" Ahh Military subcontracts are fun. Changing parts because you are out of fuel...not so much.
Haaaaahaha… that’s a good one…
Generally speaking, I'm still correct. Cars of this vintage (or basically anything pre-1972) should have it's vacuum advance hooked to manifold vacuum.
What I didn't take into account was that this engine is SUPERCHARGED. Once a supercharger is added to an engine, other than at idle, the amount of vacuum in the induction system is minimal. It is replaced by manifold boost pressure. So, the guys who designed this engine are obviously smarter than me and the vacuum advance really only comes into play during light throttle/cruising speeds. So, I will concede; there are exceptions.
Big, lumpy cams are also another reason to connect to ported. There's probably very little vacuum being created at idle speeds.
If I came across as whiny or pretentious, I do apologize.
It’s all good. I come across as whiny all the time, as you may have heard. Haha. My problem with what you said is that it reminded me of things I have heard other channels say - that ported vacuum was *only* used during the emissions era - and it’s just not true. Now the funny part is… I think running it on manifold would help a lot in this case! There is absolutely merit to that argument, in this situation and others. I just wanted to drive home the point that it is plumbed the way Studebaker intended in this case. This cam is much more aggressive than anything those engineers ever envisioned - which is where things get complicated here. I thank you for being involved in the comments here. There is a lot for all of us to learn - and that absolutely includes me.
Limiting the slot for centrifugal advance in the distributor by welding the advance slot or using a rubber sleeve will allow more initial but not alter the over all. Then just rev it up and set your over all at the 32 degrees. If you need it quicker use 1 or 2 lighter springs.
Hey, that’s what I did in a later video! Haha. Overall had to be at 24 degrees or so, though. Because… supercharger
Friend of mine collected Stuudies in California, I dreamt of getting one of these and installing a Ford 4.6 SOHC in it LOL
Haaaahaha why tho
You did the right thing using the rubber Temp expansion plug. The only thing I would have added a expansion plug standard sealer compound that would go between the block and the inner area of the steel / nut area of the plug……
I understand the thinking there, but the rubber is doing its thing on the inside lip - and they do say specifically to install them dry. It’s working so far!
Oh my word, I have not seen a video responding to internet experts in ages, that was great. Thank you and as one Mopar person to another who also loves Studebakers, I think this is great!
Carry on sir, carry on...
Well, we Chevy guys think that "Mopar lover = moron" anyway, but that's just us! 😉 We like the same breakfast food, tho. Great video series - keep up the good work!
Love your videos and your wit. 😀
Knowledge and entertaining!!!!! Keep up the good work, don’t let the keyboard warriors get u down !!!
Thank you!
I still love Studebakers!
Less timing or hi test fuel? We still want that POWER don't we.
Retarding the timing will retard some of that oomph.
Already running premium. If we can’t do it on premium… turns out the timing mark was 10 degrees off, so that was one factor. I have now tightened the mechanical curve by 10 degrees, and may limit the vacuum advance as well. But it’s pretty happy where it is right now - 14 base, 24 total, and around 19 degrees available from vacuum.
Most of my vehicles have been Mopar and I used Mopar power in my street rod builds as well as my performance cars were almost all mopar powered; that being said you should know people who are talented enough to set up your dist. to run without vacumn..
Yeah, I know people… me. lol. I’m going to continue running the vacuum, but I recurved the mechanical to 10 degrees for starts. Probably going to limit the vacuum advance as well - but not fully eliminate it. That could be very useful for a timing retard under boost.
How dare you make realistic content!
So, in the last video you said you never wanted to see this car again…..then you make a follow up video…..your a glutton for punishment 😂😂😂
I mean I still have to see it until it’s finished. Lol. But yes.
Wash out plugs , as I was told ,many years ago , to wash the sand out of the block after the block is poured . I hate to bring up the plugs again , but I wonder if you ground out the inner lip of the seat you might be able to use a regular plug .
Yep! Exactly that. And yes, I probably could - but the thing to do there would have been to have them machined while it was out and in pieces. And a 1 1/2” plug fit loosely, so it would probably take a special size.
I worked at an auto parts dealer for years, the term used by mechanics ordering engine plugs was was Freeze or Frost plug. So not sure why anyone would tell you that is not a correct term
Because they like to hear themselves speak…
I've called them freeze plugs for 40 years and thats what there called when you search for them.
Right!
I hate that you have to explain yourself to folks... but then again, I like that you rub it in their faces!😂
Same, to both of those things 😅
When a car stops running a mechanic will check the fuel filters before he thinks the car is out of gas. It is funny.
Yep… that. Haha.
Airplanes are still allowed to use leaded gas. Juuuust say'n. One more video?
There will at least be one more coming. I’m doing disk brakes now…
Always called them pesky things freeze plugs in the UK , Keep up the great vids , got me cap and stickers already , as for soldering toxic smoke - its nasty smelly stuff if its the old lead solder , i breathe it in daily because work - not good , even worst melting carpet
Me as well, here in the US. They are also called expansion plugs, but I use "Freeze plug" (along with most other Yanks) almost always
Nice Studebaker!
Your Shop truck is freaking sick. I love that thing.
Me too! It’s awesome. It’s also kind of terrifying but that’s ok.
The more I read RUclips comments the more I kind of think Thanos had the right idea. Hell of a job as always man!
😅
Would you like to restore a 1968 300 convertible
Tom / Rocket Restorations where I work might… that sure sounds like a Tom thing. Tom@rocketresto.com
Too bad when the Packard Hawk came out in 1958 they didn't use the Packard engine but they used the Packard engine in a 1956 Studebaker Hawk. Someone should build a 1958 Packard Hawk with a Packard engine.
Right. Packard’s plant was closed after ‘56 and their engines were gone…
@@DeadDodgeGarage Doesn't mean someone today can't build one like it now, also they should add a supercharger to it too.