"The worst part about having a mental illness is people expect you to behave as if you don't."...This is so true and its why the issue only continues to grow and get worse.
I dont think people "expect" that, I think ehey demand it, because if you (the ill person) don't, the whole system other built for you and your life cracks down and they get down with you and they don't want to.
We all have some sort of mental illness. Whether you know it or not. Its part of normal society. You may have ADD. Maybe a touch of OCD. Maybe you have full blown Schizophrenia. Me, acute paranoia, and Bi-polar disorder. Some people have it worse then others. They may show it, and other my have it under control. I live my life under control. I know what i have and i know the signs of it. So i control it. Its the ones who dont know they have anything that have it the worst and dont know how to deal with it. Or maybe they know but dont care. And think the world owes them something. Let me tell you, the world dont own anyone anything. You will find that out real quick if you show your ass. Point of this is there is no cultural norm that People expect. We are fluid, and generalized quotes such as Mr. Fleck wrote down are not gospel. We take people as they come. As we should.
The easiest villains to accept are the ones we look at and say, "I'm not like that person," but the _best_ villains are the ones we look at and say, "We're the same, but I have limits." Those villains are the ones we learn from.
@@SamuelBlack84 the best of humanity makes the kind of statement you did. The good and the best are precisely people of your caliber who question and judge themselves before anyone else can. This is the closest to internal truth that the human psyche can produce so let me tell you that you are indeed the definition of a good person by the very statement you made my friend.
I am a FIRM believer that Joker was a necessary and important movie, about how society creates its own monsters. One snide gesture from everyone until the victim snaps and another shooting is born
True but these are weak people and this wasn't a problem many decade's ago. Capitalism in the west promotes selfishness. Community is lost and many men become disenfranchised. Online communities provide them with indoctrination that only serves to push them towards breaking point as opposed to pulling them out. They get stuck in echo Chambers which usually exaggerate their problems. I would argue that movies like Joker and Taxi Driver don't help and are not necessary. David Berkowitz was clearly inspired by Taxi Driver and many people Online express how much they relate to these characters. They are great movies but I feel like a movie which shows that you can fail and still keep going on would better serve lost men. A movie that promotes strength and not weakness in times of darkness. Cause these movies provide a relatability that can be a catalyst for a rather unsavoury concoction. Vulnerable people are easily influenced.
@@jr5993To me these movies aren't helping people who are Vulnerable, but they are showing us what's wrong with what we're doing. For some reason we've built this idea where Drama and tension are entertainment. We push the controversial, the violent, the scary, the dramatic to the front cover, scream and shout at each other for fun. Argue with each other just because we can. It's all in fun and games to us. Or at least, it's all fun and games until the person next to us snaps. It's all fun and games until someone takes things too far and goes crazy. The Joker in the movie was kinda right when he said All the Screaming and shouting is enough to drive someone crazy. When someone sees the worst humanity has to offer, they become vulnerable, and then that leads them down a dark path. The problem is we push the worst humanity has to offer to the front cover, and create it for kicks.
@@mrbubz6942 I'm not saying that I couldn't fall victim to this cause if I'm being entirely honest then in some ways I have but I'm at least self aware enough to see it for what it is. Have you been pushed to your limit?
I believe Joker is a very important movie to exist. The best to show what makes all these people that start mass shootings etc. A documentary on what creates these people so to say.
Depends on the bad guy Tyler Durden is a nihilistic freak, a pretty boy version of the kid who kept hitting reset every time you beat him in a video game. All Cypher wanted, the whole reason he did what he did, was because he wanted Trinity laid out before him naked & smiling. Neo was too great a threat. And if the world had to burn to eliminate that threat & get Cypher what he wanted? It takes whatever it takes. By any means necessary. We've all been there. John Doe is explicitly round the bend crazy, as is Norman Bates at least as depicted in the movie the clip's from Arthur Fleck, for all his grandiosity, is in the end, insignificant as a man. Simply an extreme indicator of systematic problems. Hans Lansa was simply the superficial appeal of evil. In the end, all he cared about was saving his own skin. Kurtz & the guy from "Platoon" were just looking for rationalizations for war crimes & pulling off the "Uriah the Hittite" trick. The only person who had anything philosophically valid to say was John Kramer,Jigsaw. & personally? I find it absolutely fascinating all the nihilistic power trippers in this video. And not even a mention of one guy in particular. The guy that, honestly, seems the most obvious choice for a video like this given its title. No Erik Lensherr. #MagnetoWasRight
Really I couldn’t agree more! When I watch Batman movies I watch what he stands for and all I see is a rich guy who’s acting out because he lost the one thing money can’t buy “LIFE” and he takes it out on everyone else, and then I listen to the joker or the bad guys and they actually are the ones really trying to fight corruption!!! I was a huge Batman fan and truly I could careless about the prick lol
"Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War, no Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war. Our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars, but we won't. We're slowly learning that fact, and we're very, very pissed off." This one feels very relevant today.
We look up to the heroes, but we learn from the villains. Sadly its easy to be a "villain" and its easy to relate to why they have become the way they have, because once you learn the hard truths then you think that reality deserves nothing from you. But the heroes accept that truth and still fight to make it mean something in the end. The dichotomy of heroes and villains is so simple and yet so deep at the same time. Neither are truly correct, theres truth in both sides and both sides are looking to become something "more". Great selection of clips!
And why both sides are never truly allowed to see each other's ways, something OUT there is manipulating both sides to an eternal conflict on many factors to reinforce it so it's true plans go cleanly. Humans are just toys, or worse, food for these god-like beings.
Villains only survive as long as the world is run by heroes. Once everyone is a villain, there are no more sheep to prey on. Everyone is a wolf, trying to eat each other. Everything falls apart.
@@kedabro1957And heroes only survive when there is a villain who puts the world in danger. Without villains, heroes are unnecessary and will be cast out by society.
In reality the heroes are those in heaven (the saints) and the villains are burning in hell for all eternity. Being in the state of grace and being traditional catholic is a hero Dying in mortal sin and being sent to hell is what happens to the villains of this world.
The villains i learn from are judas iscariot, to never kill yourself even if you betray the son of god the god and king of all life, and everyone person ever sent to hell.
Kids like heroes, because they're idealistic and often innocent. But it's when you get older, and have seen your fair share of everyday crap, that you start to emphasize with the villains. Not justifying any, but I do get where they're coming from...
Sometimes, the villain is right. We wring our hands at his tactics while commending his motivation. We don't like calling these people villains. Instead we call them antiheros. I'm talking about fiction but it applies to real life.
That First quote is basically "The benality of evil" and it's true. Real saddens me how often people just ignore terrible things when it's inconvenient.
I don't know about "John Doe". Trivial sins are different from major ones. It's seemingly substantiated but it sounds wrong coming from a guy who just put a head in a box. He wasn't fighting justice. But he also apparently wasn't a pure villain because he's trying to justify his actions. I would say he is still partly a villain if he did this for enjoyment. But if his monologue is anything other than justifying doing evil, which he enjoyed, to himself then he is not a villain. Given the context of the killings it does seem to be mainly out of enjoyment but his justifications were weak. He is punishing society for its ignorance towards sin by committing worse sin. He hasn't solved anything. It's a paradox. The justification helps provide meaning to a story which he was creating for his own pleasure. I suppose his main point would be he did not kill innocents besides Brads wife and only at that point was he deserving of death. All the other killings were justifiable even if the main goal was the thrill of playing a game as opposed to sending a message. Villainy often serves to satisfy multiple desires.
If you look at people who have suffered trauma and have not been given healthy ways to deal with it, and the rage that comes with it, that is a relatable villain. That's why Arthur's joker is quite relatable to me. When it comes to the guy from 7, the sins that he's referring to, aren't necessarily sins themselves, but the seeds of real sin (murder, torture, ect)
"Heroes and villains always have the same back story-pain. The difference is what they choose to do about it. Villain says “the world hurt me, I'll hurt it back” Hero says “the world hurt me, I'm not gonna let it hurt anyone else.” Heroes use pain. Villains are used by it." - Alex Hormozi
There's a key issue that this quote has. What do you do to keep the world from hurting anyone else? The world won't change unless you do something big to make it. Or at least show that you can and will do something to make it if it can't change itself.
That's an idea that's created a lot of drama, and some very compelling narratives. But really, some people are never hurt by the world, and some people can't be saved from it, and there's nothing any hero or villain can do to change how that works. Your subjective world is very, very small.
Interesting perspective. I wonder though, is fighting back against the system, what is considered villainous, not an attempt to protect others from that same system that causes so much pain? The fact that the system is so mighty that the efforts are likely fruitless doesn’t make them less virtuous. That’s just the system again using its immense power to vilify the “villain”, no?
@@Mmmmchocolate That is the nature of perspective. To some, a hero is out there fighting past the demons to help others never to think of himself. To those same people who are on the other side of it he's the demon who won't stop.
People meme Joaquin Pheonix’s Joker to hell and back but all too often I find myself agreeing with his grievances. Certainly not his reaction, but it really does feel like civility and empathy are so lacking.
I'd definitely add this quote from Batman Begins: "Like you, I was forced to learn that there are those without decency who must be fought. Without hesitation. Without pity." Also, Agent Smith's opinion about human being in The Matrix.
"I like to share a revelation that I had, during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species. I realize that you are not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You move to another area, and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A VIRUS!!! Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet you are a plague, and we are the CURE!!!"
Human action in the west being so devoted to reducing our negative impact on the planet should go a long ways towards convincing you that agent Smith was wrong about humanity. We take care of ourselves first, but once we're comfortable enough, we really start caring about how we can improve the lives of others, and the quality of our world. The communal aspect is why humanity has come so far. If we were just self-serving and never considered the future, we never would have made it this far.
@@doctordungus7774 Humanity's truest strength has always been its adaptability. We are really good at adapting to rough environments over time, our higher functions give us amazing power to be able to not only make the best of the environment around us, but to utilize it and thrive within it. Nature normally manages a species survival through instinct, we're one of the few if not the only species on Earth that can actively choose against our instincts and improvise outside of that box. I say all this to say, humans have capacity to bee wildly cruel and savage, especially when their own survival and existence is on the line or threatened, however when humans are comfortable and not beset on all sides by the many conflicts and adversity of life, generally speaking, hands down, our capacity for compassion opens up and truly becomes something special, all in all, I agree man. Humanity is capable of the most unimaginable and reprehensible horrors, however when we're able to be, we're generally speaking' pretty kind, generous and open to one another. The things that sets us against one another is almost always if not always, some sort of extreme adversity, ill perceived, or otherwise.
A well-written, -acted, & -directed villain is priceless for a good movie. If the audience can empathize with at least part of their reasoning...that's good cinematic art. 'Magneto', Erik Lehnsheer, from "X-men First Class", is another good example (by the later stories, as an old man, he'd become quite evil though, just straight up murdering any homo sapiens that happened to inconvenience him...like the cops when he was rescuing Raven/Mystique in transit, he could have simply swept the cars aside and made them tumble to a stop, but he deliberately crushed them flat with the men still inside them...I lost all pity for him then).
That's X-Men: The Last Stand. Nobody likes that movie. Including most of the people involved with it. Brett Ratner is terrible. Michael Bay without talent. Yeah I actually like Michael Bay. Not the best in the world when it comes to choosing scripts. But people forget he's his own dp And for his kind of movie? He is far & away the best cinematographer of his generation.
" I've come to believe.. right & wrong do not exist,, but i do believe in what is Just." " There's Gods law. There's mans law. Then there's My law... which i follow to the letter."
More often than not both the hero and villain fight for something noble. The only real difference between them is that for the villain the ends always justify the means.
A true villain does it for enjoyment. Sure they may speak some truths of the world but their true intentions are to watch the world burn not send a message. This is where Phoenix's Joker seems silly when compared to Ledger's. Oneis an anti hero and one is a villain. You shouldnt find yourself sympathising with the villain. An anti hero takes reasonable action in revenge a villain takes unreasonable action or has no justifiable reason. My favourite fictional villains 1. Anton Chiguirh 2. The Joker (Heath Ledger) 3. Jack Torrance 4. Major Hellstrom 5. Chip Hazard 6. Michael Myers 7. Calvin Candie 8. Hamidou 9. Voldemort 10. Bellatrix Lestrange
Only when we face logic and truth can we solve problems in society. The problem is the TRUTH HURTS to a lot of people, so they live in DENIAL and that only makes the problem worse. When someone comes along and speaks truth, they are hated for it, but when we FINALLY face truth and logic our lives become SO MUCH BETTER!!!
Brad Pitt's character Tyler Durden has spoken so much truth to realize what kind of world we live in, it still holds up to this day and continues to grow worse. Same goes for Joaquin Phoenix's rendition of Joker. Oh my word.. And also Tobin Bell's character of John Kramer/Jigsaw,.. I do not condone any of the actions depicted in any of these movies, but I can definitely relate to those states of mind or types of thinking as I am an extremely depressed and outcast person myself.. (not that I would ever act in any similar way, or act in any way at all, just saying I can relate).
We can’t compare or be the same as the heroes. All the heroes are geniuses and billionaires and top athletes. We as humans are not perfect and we relate to the villains because we are all broken inside and always searching. When the joker and Harley Quinn fell in acid pit and made out that showed even real love can be in darkest of the realm.
Barnes was an excellent character. Berenger played him wonderfully and when he was killed you were left satisfied... because by the end he deserved it.
See this video reminds me of a Batman quote ‘it’s not who you are underneath, it’s what you do that defines you’. These villains may spout philosophy or good points but at the end of the day, they criminals and murderers. They’re still bad people. Actions speak louder than words people!
The difference is perspective. What is society? There are millions of societies. Which society is the ONE to uphold and protect? Who gets to make that decision? From a certain perspective, Dr Doom is a hero. General Zod is a hero. From their own perspective bin Laden was a hero. Antifa thinks they are heroes. Christian vs Muslim vs Jew... who is the hero in the war over the Holy City of Jerusalem? India vs Pakistan? There are societies fighting now and have been for time in memoriam. There always will be. Each side thinks they are the hero while the other is the villain.
Imagine being awarded Hero of the Soviet Union. Held up as a beacon of virtue by Stalin… doesn’t seem like a great thing from where I sit. But that man probably did something to uphold and protect “society”
@@nickmullins2266 he did exactly that and like you are pointing out just because it is a society doesn't mean it is virtuous. Throughout history there have been societies built around rape, murder, human sacrifice etc.
Phoenix had a line here, “comedy is subjective” and frankly every type of art is subjective, even the adaptation of the adaptation of the original works, or a remake of that which was never adapted from a book in the first place. Some are better than others but YOU decide what is worth treating yourself to or not.
Most people don’t know but the “antagonist” or “bad guy” in the movie is more often than not, in many cases, an “anti-hero” and is much more relatable to most people than any of the good guys. After reading this, you might recognise that for yourself.
When you’re a kid, they tell you it’s all: grow up, get a job, get married, get a house, have a kid, and that’s it. But the truth is, the world is so much stranger than that. It’s so much darker. And so much madder. And so much better.”
“there is an idea of a Patrick Bateman, some kind of abstraction, but there is no real me, only an entity, something illusory, and though I can hide my cold gaze and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable: I am simply not there” - Patrick Bateman
If only the ones with power didnt ignore and did something to prevent, we would have less tragedy, but we only care once tragedy has been done, its as much as the agressor fault as its ours, if something could have been done many things could be prevented, and we could have a Better world.
In summary, these are the World we created when we reject Spiritualism. We wanted more than what Spiritualism gave us. It tries to give us simplicity by asking us to abandon overindulgements. We rejected Spirituality, thinking it is creating a restriction to our sense of freedom. Now, we have become overindulged in the Worldly things, that the worldly things owns us - mentally and physically. And that results in a generation of people unable to differentiate right or wrong anymore.
These are great thoughts and great observations of life, however, the reason these men are villains is because of the methods they used to get what they want. A villain helped his people get out of a Great Depression placed onto his country after world war 1 and the people thought he made sense, his method was to kill a lot of people through. What these men say is for the most part true but they use the truth on their twisted campaigns of murder just so people will listen.
Germany was totally destroyed by the Allies in WW2; the villain you refer to did not get his people out of a Great Depression. He led them up a garden path that had no other conclusion than what actually happened. The people thought he made sense the same way that 75 million idiotic Americans thought donald trump made sense in 2020. Even when the truth is so obvious that even a blind man can see it, there are always people who will refuse to see it. The villain you refer to never uttered even a single word of truth; he did the same thing trump did, which was to give those who were suffering an excuse for their suffering, a scapegoat who in actuality had nothing to do with their suffering. The sooner those who suffer stop wallowing in their own mud and stop blaming others for their suffereing and begin to pull themselves up, or at least try to pull themselves up, is when people begin to get out of Great Depressions.
It is the end that defines us. Whether we die, lose, or disappear. The palette of life changes when you’re confronted with the end. Everything becomes clearer but also all the more bitter. To live, love, and experience joy, doesn’t become an inevitable reality, but a choice. So what will you choose in this world of loss, death, and disappearances? Joy, or despair?
Putting Sgt. Barnes in this compilation is peak fucking irony. The entire reason he's he's shown giving them shit about opium and then immediately taking a swig of Jack is that Barnes is no more connected to reality than they are. His little "the machine breaks down" speech ignores the most important question that a person can ask- "Is the machine worth running in the first place." It completely misses the point of the movie.
Barnes isn’t all that excited about the machine himself because at the end of his diatribe, he tells Elias’s friends that they can kill him. He took Taylor and Gardner on the ambush despite them not knowing anything. He executed the lady just because she was angry at them.
@@philkim8297 What did you think of his eyes at the poker game right before the dancing scene at the bunker? Or when he’s about to hit Taylor with the entrenching tool?
My boy ,John Kramer isn't a villain he was a realist,an angel of vengeance,a hero in a dark place,and he didn't kill anybody in any of his movies prove me wrong on that one
Tyler Durden: “We’ve all been raised on Television, to believe that one day, we’d all be Millionaires, and Movie Gods, and Rock Stars… but we won’t. We’re slowly learning that fact. And we’re very, very… pissed off.” Very true these days.
joker's quote is one of the things that are so wrong with society, and is unlikely to ever change if someone is acting bad, we rarely stop to think about what they might be or have gone through, that causes them to act that way. "we saw/heard you did something bad. dont bother explaining cuz 90% of people wont give a sht about why, just that you did it"
Could you include lines from Arthur Jensen in Network, Dusan Gavrich from The Peacemaker, and Rankin Fitch from The Runaway Jury in your next video, please!?
We are no one, we simply try and get from day to day. We are beaten down to the point we stop caring. Those who say they are in power are just like us. They can die just as easily, yet we still follow their destructive path that has been set out in front of us. That is why we are no one, that is why no one really matters. We live for those who control society, tell us what is entertainment, what to consume, what to work. We really are not free in the truest of sense. The lone man by himself can not change anything past his own arms. So why do we keep trying.
nothing is all black and white, that's what i live by. every real villain has some good, and every real good guy has some bad. what matters is how the story is told, not who you are. it's whether they concentrate on the bad side or the good side, even if one is much smaller than the other. nobody is fully "evil" or "good". i don't care who you are, from Mother Teresa to, well, fuck it, hitler himself, nobody's fully good or evil. we're all human at the end of the day, and we've got to remember that, even when others don't. bash me for it if you want, but i stand by this.
If you watch the Redux version, the French patriarch makes it clear to Willard, “ The Vietnamese... we worked with them, made something - something out of nothing... We want to stay here because it's ours - it belongs to us. It keeps our family together. I mean, we fought for that. While you Americans... you are fighting for the biggest nothing in history!”
The man turned the military career into his obsession. It drove him mad. Once he became the head of a self-made community, where he is both judge and executioner, you bet your ass that's a villain. How can you exonerate a man who thinks so little of life itself?
The fact that all these quotes are not completely right but also not completely wrong is mind blowing. Like there is some truth and false to what they say
Only after you lost everything,you are free to do anything.god ,that hit me hard. losing an asshole in a latest relationship,but i just want revenge on that guy.for now all i want to do is be better.but i just cant bear that guy being happy.
"The worst part about having a mental illness is people expect you to behave as if you don't."...This is so true and its why the issue only continues to grow and get worse.
I dont think people "expect" that, I think ehey demand it, because if you (the ill person) don't, the whole system other built for you and your life cracks down and they get down with you and they don't want to.
Now that is one sober comment
We all have some sort of mental illness. Whether you know it or not. Its part of normal society. You may have ADD. Maybe a touch of OCD. Maybe you have full blown Schizophrenia. Me, acute paranoia, and Bi-polar disorder. Some people have it worse then others. They may show it, and other my have it under control. I live my life under control. I know what i have and i know the signs of it. So i control it. Its the ones who dont know they have anything that have it the worst and dont know how to deal with it. Or maybe they know but dont care. And think the world owes them something. Let me tell you, the world dont own anyone anything. You will find that out real quick if you show your ass. Point of this is there is no cultural norm that People expect. We are fluid, and generalized quotes such as Mr. Fleck wrote down are not gospel. We take people as they come. As we should.
The easiest villains to accept are the ones we look at and say, "I'm not like that person," but the _best_ villains are the ones we look at and say, "We're the same, but I have limits." Those villains are the ones we learn from.
I know deep down that I'm far from being a good person
But I choose to be better than what life tells me to be
@@SamuelBlack84nicely said
really the only thing that makes a villain is the perspective from which the story is being told .
@@SamuelBlack84 the best of humanity makes the kind of statement you did. The good and the best are precisely people of your caliber who question and judge themselves before anyone else can. This is the closest to internal truth that the human psyche can produce so let me tell you that you are indeed the definition of a good person by the very statement you made my friend.
@@3Kefka6Palazzo9 I have many enemies who disagree with you
But they're what I consider garbage anyway
I am a FIRM believer that Joker was a necessary and important movie, about how society creates its own monsters. One snide gesture from everyone until the victim snaps and another shooting is born
True but these are weak people and this wasn't a problem many decade's ago. Capitalism in the west promotes selfishness. Community is lost and many men become disenfranchised. Online communities provide them with indoctrination that only serves to push them towards breaking point as opposed to pulling them out. They get stuck in echo Chambers which usually exaggerate their problems. I would argue that movies like Joker and Taxi Driver don't help and are not necessary. David Berkowitz was clearly inspired by Taxi Driver and many people Online express how much they relate to these characters. They are great movies but I feel like a movie which shows that you can fail and still keep going on would better serve lost men. A movie that promotes strength and not weakness in times of darkness. Cause these movies provide a relatability that can be a catalyst for a rather unsavoury concoction. Vulnerable people are easily influenced.
@jr5993 you obviously never have been tested to your limits
@@jr5993To me these movies aren't helping people who are Vulnerable, but they are showing us what's wrong with what we're doing. For some reason we've built this idea where Drama and tension are entertainment. We push the controversial, the violent, the scary, the dramatic to the front cover, scream and shout at each other for fun. Argue with each other just because we can. It's all in fun and games to us. Or at least, it's all fun and games until the person next to us snaps. It's all fun and games until someone takes things too far and goes crazy. The Joker in the movie was kinda right when he said All the Screaming and shouting is enough to drive someone crazy. When someone sees the worst humanity has to offer, they become vulnerable, and then that leads them down a dark path. The problem is we push the worst humanity has to offer to the front cover, and create it for kicks.
@@mrbubz6942 I'm not saying that I couldn't fall victim to this cause if I'm being entirely honest then in some ways I have but I'm at least self aware enough to see it for what it is.
Have you been pushed to your limit?
I believe Joker is a very important movie to exist. The best to show what makes all these people that start mass shootings etc. A documentary on what creates these people so to say.
As a kid I used to identify with the "good guys" in the movies. As I grow older, I completely understand and sympathize with the bad guys.
Part of growing up is realising life is far more complicated than good vs bad
@@Im_33_years_oldgetting a bot to post random messages a sure fire way to get people to hate your religion
Depends on the bad guy
Tyler Durden is a nihilistic freak, a pretty boy version of the kid who kept hitting reset every time you beat him in a video game.
All Cypher wanted, the whole reason he did what he did, was because he wanted Trinity laid out before him naked & smiling. Neo was too great a threat. And if the world had to burn to eliminate that threat & get Cypher what he wanted? It takes whatever it takes. By any means necessary. We've all been there.
John Doe is explicitly round the bend crazy, as is Norman Bates at least as depicted in the movie the clip's from
Arthur Fleck, for all his grandiosity, is in the end, insignificant as a man. Simply an extreme indicator of systematic problems.
Hans Lansa was simply the superficial appeal of evil. In the end, all he cared about was saving his own skin.
Kurtz & the guy from "Platoon" were just looking for rationalizations for war crimes & pulling off the "Uriah the Hittite" trick.
The only person who had anything philosophically valid to say was John Kramer,Jigsaw.
& personally?
I find it absolutely fascinating all the nihilistic power trippers in this video.
And not even a mention of one guy in particular.
The guy that, honestly, seems the most obvious choice for a video like this given its title.
No Erik Lensherr.
#MagnetoWasRight
Cringe.
Really I couldn’t agree more! When I watch Batman movies I watch what he stands for and all I see is a rich guy who’s acting out because he lost the one thing money can’t buy “LIFE” and he takes it out on everyone else, and then I listen to the joker or the bad guys and they actually are the ones really trying to fight corruption!!! I was a huge Batman fan and truly I could careless about the prick lol
"Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War, no Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war. Our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars, but we won't. We're slowly learning that fact, and we're very, very pissed off."
This one feels very relevant today.
All I want is enough money to live as far away from the human race as possible
"Only when we have LOST EVERYTHING are we FREE to do anything"
@@SamuelBlack84So many want it that you'd eventually have many neighbours
@@traiascacodreanu4553 Not if I had my own private island
@@SamuelBlack84 Sorry to say, as you know, you'll probably never have one.
The guy who played Jigsaw is awesome.
Tobin Bell. He’s great in everything he does.
We look up to the heroes, but we learn from the villains. Sadly its easy to be a "villain" and its easy to relate to why they have become the way they have, because once you learn the hard truths then you think that reality deserves nothing from you. But the heroes accept that truth and still fight to make it mean something in the end. The dichotomy of heroes and villains is so simple and yet so deep at the same time. Neither are truly correct, theres truth in both sides and both sides are looking to become something "more".
Great selection of clips!
And why both sides are never truly allowed to see each other's ways, something OUT there is manipulating both sides to an eternal conflict on many factors to reinforce it so it's true plans go cleanly. Humans are just toys, or worse, food for these god-like beings.
Villains only survive as long as the world is run by heroes. Once everyone is a villain, there are no more sheep to prey on. Everyone is a wolf, trying to eat each other. Everything falls apart.
@@kedabro1957And heroes only survive when there is a villain who puts the world in danger. Without villains, heroes are unnecessary and will be cast out by society.
In reality the heroes are those in heaven (the saints) and the villains are burning in hell for all eternity.
Being in the state of grace and being traditional catholic is a hero
Dying in mortal sin and being sent to hell is what happens to the villains of this world.
The villains i learn from are judas iscariot, to never kill yourself even if you betray the son of god the god and king of all life, and everyone person ever sent to hell.
Kids like heroes, because they're idealistic and often innocent.
But it's when you get older, and have seen your fair share of everyday crap, that you start to emphasize with the villains. Not justifying any, but I do get where they're coming from...
Sometimes, the villain is right. We wring our hands at his tactics while commending his motivation. We don't like calling these people villains. Instead we call them antiheros. I'm talking about fiction but it applies to real life.
@@randybugger3006agreed.
That First quote is basically "The benality of evil" and it's true. Real saddens me how often people just ignore terrible things when it's inconvenient.
I don't know about "John Doe". Trivial sins are different from major ones. It's seemingly substantiated but it sounds wrong coming from a guy who just put a head in a box. He wasn't fighting justice. But he also apparently wasn't a pure villain because he's trying to justify his actions. I would say he is still partly a villain if he did this for enjoyment. But if his monologue is anything other than justifying doing evil, which he enjoyed, to himself then he is not a villain. Given the context of the killings it does seem to be mainly out of enjoyment but his justifications were weak. He is punishing society for its ignorance towards sin by committing worse sin. He hasn't solved anything. It's a paradox. The justification helps provide meaning to a story which he was creating for his own pleasure. I suppose his main point would be he did not kill innocents besides Brads wife and only at that point was he deserving of death. All the other killings were justifiable even if the main goal was the thrill of playing a game as opposed to sending a message. Villainy often serves to satisfy multiple desires.
Ignore the homeless guy on the street everyday whos to say we're not already the villains?
If you look at people who have suffered trauma and have not been given healthy ways to deal with it, and the rage that comes with it, that is a relatable villain. That's why Arthur's joker is quite relatable to me. When it comes to the guy from 7, the sins that he's referring to, aren't necessarily sins themselves, but the seeds of real sin (murder, torture, ect)
"Heroes and villains always have the same back story-pain. The difference is what they choose to do about it. Villain says “the world hurt me, I'll hurt it back” Hero says “the world hurt me, I'm not gonna let it hurt anyone else.” Heroes use pain. Villains are used by it." - Alex Hormozi
There's a key issue that this quote has. What do you do to keep the world from hurting anyone else? The world won't change unless you do something big to make it. Or at least show that you can and will do something to make it if it can't change itself.
That's an idea that's created a lot of drama, and some very compelling narratives. But really, some people are never hurt by the world, and some people can't be saved from it, and there's nothing any hero or villain can do to change how that works. Your subjective world is very, very small.
Interesting perspective. I wonder though, is fighting back against the system, what is considered villainous, not an attempt to protect others from that same system that causes so much pain? The fact that the system is so mighty that the efforts are likely fruitless doesn’t make them less virtuous. That’s just the system again using its immense power to vilify the “villain”, no?
@@Mmmmchocolate That is the nature of perspective.
To some, a hero is out there fighting past the demons to help others never to think of himself.
To those same people who are on the other side of it he's the demon who won't stop.
Sometimes you must hurt the world to teach it that pain is not nice, not attractive or loved. Which is why its good to push back and tell the world FU
The heroes have to win every time. The villain only has to win once.
True. Nuke only needs to explode once. Then the man made horror's come true.
*Villains are sometimes created, and sometimes born. But most importantly… created*
a hero will destroy you to save the world, a villain will destroy the world to save you
How so?
People meme Joaquin Pheonix’s Joker to hell and back but all too often I find myself agreeing with his grievances.
Certainly not his reaction, but it really does feel like civility and empathy are so lacking.
Honestly I suspect his movie was a Falling Down-esque script that WB/DC picked up and reworked into a Joker origin movie
As time goes on, Tyler Durden makes more and more sense. Minus the cult and terrorism
Hehe, nah...no anarcho-communism for me, thanks. But I like the "minus the cult and terrorism", lol, nicely put.
I still dont consider Tyler Durden a villain
give it time
@@KnowledgeNerd123 Neither do I. An expression of mental illness, yes.
Give it time.
"When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty." - Thomas Jefferson
“Wanting people to listen you can’t just tap them on the shoulder anymore you have to hit them with a sledgehammer”
He’s kind of right tbh 😂
Look at the Unibomber for instance...
@@d.bo.unfound yep
I'd definitely add this quote from Batman Begins: "Like you, I was forced to learn that there are those without decency who must be fought. Without hesitation. Without pity."
Also, Agent Smith's opinion about human being in The Matrix.
"I like to share a revelation that I had, during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species. I realize that you are not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You move to another area, and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A VIRUS!!! Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet you are a plague, and we are the CURE!!!"
"Training is nothing! The will is everything: the will to ACT."
Human action in the west being so devoted to reducing our negative impact on the planet should go a long ways towards convincing you that agent Smith was wrong about humanity. We take care of ourselves first, but once we're comfortable enough, we really start caring about how we can improve the lives of others, and the quality of our world. The communal aspect is why humanity has come so far. If we were just self-serving and never considered the future, we never would have made it this far.
@@doctordungus7774 Humanity's truest strength has always been its adaptability. We are really good at adapting to rough environments over time, our higher functions give us amazing power to be able to not only make the best of the environment around us, but to utilize it and thrive within it. Nature normally manages a species survival through instinct, we're one of the few if not the only species on Earth that can actively choose against our instincts and improvise outside of that box. I say all this to say, humans have capacity to bee wildly cruel and savage, especially when their own survival and existence is on the line or threatened, however when humans are comfortable and not beset on all sides by the many conflicts and adversity of life, generally speaking, hands down, our capacity for compassion opens up and truly becomes something special, all in all, I agree man.
Humanity is capable of the most unimaginable and reprehensible horrors, however when we're able to be, we're generally speaking' pretty kind, generous and open to one another. The things that sets us against one another is almost always if not always, some sort of extreme adversity, ill perceived, or otherwise.
As a child, I was afraid of the dark. For the monsters that linger there.
As an adult, I'm afraid of the light. For the monsters that linger inside.
Fight Club...my all-time favorite movie...!
Come on dude, you broke the rules
First rule of ************you do not talk about ***********
Chuck was my writing teacher. He liked the movie better than his book.
Great guy. One of the nicest I've ever met. And one hell of a writer.
@@TamilSelvanc1706 But Lou and his friend got an invite!
@@MrBrachiatingApe Lucky SOB
A well-written, -acted, & -directed villain is priceless for a good movie. If the audience can empathize with at least part of their reasoning...that's good cinematic art. 'Magneto', Erik Lehnsheer, from "X-men First Class", is another good example (by the later stories, as an old man, he'd become quite evil though, just straight up murdering any homo sapiens that happened to inconvenience him...like the cops when he was rescuing Raven/Mystique in transit, he could have simply swept the cars aside and made them tumble to a stop, but he deliberately crushed them flat with the men still inside them...I lost all pity for him then).
That's X-Men: The Last Stand.
Nobody likes that movie.
Including most of the people involved with it.
Brett Ratner is terrible. Michael Bay without talent.
Yeah I actually like Michael Bay.
Not the best in the world when it comes to choosing scripts.
But people forget he's his own dp
And for his kind of movie? He is far & away the best cinematographer of his generation.
" I've come to believe.. right & wrong do not exist,, but i do believe in what is Just."
" There's Gods law. There's mans law. Then there's My law... which i follow to the letter."
I reluctantly given up at the world and decided to become a villan.
I given up love let my hate rise up.
Me too
@@EurynomeEclipse13 No reason to hate those who are beneath me, but I pity them, because right now I don't want to mend the world, not anymore.
Edgelord comment thread alert🤣🤣
@@aaronmiles2802 No one wants to look cool or edgy bruh. People are just sick of how the society works.
Wooow, hearing all these quotes together, one after the other... is even more eye opening
More often than not both the hero and villain fight for something noble. The only real difference between them is that for the villain the ends always justify the means.
The villain usually fights for themselves. The hero fights for others
A true villain does it for enjoyment. Sure they may speak some truths of the world but their true intentions are to watch the world burn not send a message. This is where Phoenix's Joker seems silly when compared to Ledger's. Oneis an anti hero and one is a villain. You shouldnt find yourself sympathising with the villain. An anti hero takes reasonable action in revenge a villain takes unreasonable action or has no justifiable reason. My favourite fictional villains
1. Anton Chiguirh
2. The Joker (Heath Ledger)
3. Jack Torrance
4. Major Hellstrom
5. Chip Hazard
6. Michael Myers
7. Calvin Candie
8. Hamidou
9. Voldemort
10. Bellatrix Lestrange
Villains are born when people start looking at world with logic and sense and they cant handle such hateful reality
Only when we face logic and truth can we solve problems in society. The problem is the TRUTH HURTS to a lot of people, so they live in DENIAL and that only makes the problem worse. When someone comes along and speaks truth, they are hated for it, but when we FINALLY face truth and logic our lives become SO MUCH BETTER!!!
It's more complicated than that
Brad Pitt's character Tyler Durden has spoken so much truth to realize what kind of world we live in, it still holds up to this day and continues to grow worse. Same goes for Joaquin Phoenix's rendition of Joker. Oh my word.. And also Tobin Bell's character of John Kramer/Jigsaw,.. I do not condone any of the actions depicted in any of these movies, but I can definitely relate to those states of mind or types of thinking as I am an extremely depressed and outcast person myself.. (not that I would ever act in any similar way, or act in any way at all, just saying I can relate).
Its easy to sympathize with the villian and feel like you are the victim.
But its hard to fight the inner demons ,to not become the villian.
This is why I root for the villian in most every movie
Instead of rooting . Be one in real life
I love when the villain gets away at the end. It doesn't happen much but when it does, it really makes the villain better.
I hate movie villains who are cruel to truly innocent people and get away with it
Emperor Palpatine best quote ever, "Good is a point of view.!!!
Yeah no i aint killing people
True and Truth ❤
I have been Down and Fallen, And again, I Rise.
These are great. Next up, please include Prince Nuada from Hellboy II! The motivations behind his actions are also very understandable!
I never saw him as a villan
All he wanted was to keep his species from dying out
Dude Hellboy 2 is awesome, and so underrated
HELL YEAH !!!!!
“A hero sacrifices you to protect the earth, but a villain would sacrifice the earth to protect you”-Attack on Titan
2:44 everyone vibing until he pulls out the glock
he vibed his last vibe
"The more thought you got the more crazy you are, at least im not stupid"
All quotes are relevant.. however still ignored.. the reasons .. 1) No one cares 2) People tend to ignore problems 3) it costs money to solve
John Kramer always had a good point
these quote videos are strangely comforting
4:27 "We're the middle children of history, man."
that speech really hits some of us, doesn't it?
"Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing." -Tyler Durden
We can’t compare or be the same as the heroes. All the heroes are geniuses and billionaires and top athletes. We as humans are not perfect and we relate to the villains because we are all broken inside and always searching. When the joker and Harley Quinn fell in acid pit and made out that showed even real love can be in darkest of the realm.
Everybody laughing until the WW2 documentary comes up.
When you become an adult, you realize that the villains make more sense. An that they relate to you more than you any Superhero can entail.
Barnes was an excellent character. Berenger played him wonderfully and when he was killed you were left satisfied... because by the end he deserved it.
The longer I watch have I just now realized I’m more the villain than the hero of my own story
I watched Se7en before watching this video. And John Doe described very well with the reality
Thanks for the content you are creating
I laugh at you "villains" and I laugh at you "heroes"; you all really, truly lack the ability to compromise.
Should have added the speech from Gmork to Atreyu in Neverending Story. The depth of that speech goes over kids' heads but it hits hard as an adult.
@jon-7-9 I think the pertinent line is "people who have no hopes are easy to control and whoever has the control has the power."
Gives shit to people who smoke weed to "escape reality" and yet sucks on a bottle of liquor...😂
I just saw that three of the films from which these scenes were taken (“Seven”; “Fight Club”; and “Inglorious Basterds”) starred Brad Pitt.
Nice quotes
Just realized. The guy from saw sold records on an episode of Seinfeld 😮
Tyler was spot on with his philosophy…minus how he went about it
The quotes in the movie are meaningful and attractive. Thanks for this video.
See this video reminds me of a Batman quote ‘it’s not who you are underneath, it’s what you do that defines you’. These villains may spout philosophy or good points but at the end of the day, they criminals and murderers. They’re still bad people. Actions speak louder than words people!
This is when you realize Tyler Durden and Arthur Flake are so well written
What's the difference between a hero and a villain? The hero upholds and protects society; the villain does not.
The difference is perspective. What is society? There are millions of societies. Which society is the ONE to uphold and protect? Who gets to make that decision? From a certain perspective, Dr Doom is a hero. General Zod is a hero. From their own perspective bin Laden was a hero. Antifa thinks they are heroes. Christian vs Muslim vs Jew... who is the hero in the war over the Holy City of Jerusalem? India vs Pakistan? There are societies fighting now and have been for time in memoriam. There always will be. Each side thinks they are the hero while the other is the villain.
What if SOCIETY is the villain?
Imagine being awarded Hero of the Soviet Union. Held up as a beacon of virtue by Stalin… doesn’t seem like a great thing from where I sit. But that man probably did something to uphold and protect “society”
@@nickmullins2266 he did exactly that and like you are pointing out just because it is a society doesn't mean it is virtuous. Throughout history there have been societies built around rape, murder, human sacrifice etc.
@@bradprice8040 you’re doing Amazing
Phoenix had a line here, “comedy is subjective” and frankly every type of art is subjective, even the adaptation of the adaptation of the original works, or a remake of that which was never adapted from a book in the first place. Some are better than others but YOU decide what is worth treating yourself to or not.
Most people don’t know but the “antagonist” or “bad guy” in the movie is more often than not, in many cases, an “anti-hero” and is much more relatable to most people than any of the good guys. After reading this, you might recognise that for yourself.
@3:38 ahhh classic Scarface quote. Yesssss. Chase that bag, not people.,
Pretty much anything Jigsaw says 🙌🏻 he says it for a reason.
When you’re a kid, they tell you it’s all: grow up, get a job, get married, get a house, have a kid, and that’s it. But the truth is, the world is so much stranger than that. It’s so much darker. And so much madder. And so much better.”
"i don't need this shit (to escape from reality" *followed by a swig of whisky* haha, alcohol is funny
“You people want to be ruled” - Loki
4:44 "our great wars are spiritual wars"
💯
I used to hate villians but now I stand with them
When it comes down to it, there is not good or bad in the world, just monsters beliving that their could be another way...
“there is an idea of a Patrick Bateman, some kind of abstraction, but there is no real me, only an entity, something illusory, and though I can hide my cold gaze and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable: I am simply not there” - Patrick Bateman
I always knew the system was corrupt, since I was a child I've always thought the 'villians' made more sense than the heroes.
If only the ones with power didnt ignore and did something to prevent, we would have less tragedy, but we only care once tragedy has been done, its as much as the agressor fault as its ours, if something could have been done many things could be prevented, and we could have a Better world.
In summary, these are the World we created when we reject Spiritualism.
We wanted more than what Spiritualism gave us. It tries to give us simplicity by asking us to abandon overindulgements. We rejected Spirituality, thinking it is creating a restriction to our sense of freedom. Now, we have become overindulged in the Worldly things, that the worldly things owns us - mentally and physically. And that results in a generation of people unable to differentiate right or wrong anymore.
How beautifully stated.
so many of my fav movies.
good job 👍🏻
It always struck me as odd that most of the main cast for Fight Club were millionaires before, during and after that movie lol.
I miss the Roaschach quote (he is kind of a villain because he is a killer) when he sits in prison and talk about god.
The world has made me root for the villains, even when they're wrong.
These are great thoughts and great observations of life, however, the reason these men are villains is because of the methods they used to get what they want.
A villain helped his people get out of a Great Depression placed onto his country after world war 1 and the people thought he made sense, his method was to kill a lot of people through.
What these men say is for the most part true but they use the truth on their twisted campaigns of murder just so people will listen.
If you have to go to such extreme lengths to make others listen to you, then you aren't worth listening to
Most villains are created from pain and loss, looking for justice! Sometimes vigilante justice is all three is to rebalance the ⚖️
Germany was totally destroyed by the Allies in WW2; the villain you refer to did not get his people out of a Great Depression. He led them up a garden path that had no other conclusion than what actually happened. The people thought he made sense the same way that 75 million idiotic Americans thought donald trump made sense in 2020. Even when the truth is so obvious that even a blind man can see it, there are always people who will refuse to see it. The villain you refer to never uttered even a single word of truth; he did the same thing trump did, which was to give those who were suffering an excuse for their suffering, a scapegoat who in actuality had nothing to do with their suffering. The sooner those who suffer stop wallowing in their own mud and stop blaming others for their suffereing and begin to pull themselves up, or at least try to pull themselves up, is when people begin to get out of Great Depressions.
It is the end that defines us. Whether we die, lose, or disappear. The palette of life changes when you’re confronted with the end. Everything becomes clearer but also all the more bitter. To live, love, and experience joy, doesn’t become an inevitable reality, but a choice. So what will you choose in this world of loss, death, and disappearances? Joy, or despair?
Putting Sgt. Barnes in this compilation is peak fucking irony. The entire reason he's he's shown giving them shit about opium and then immediately taking a swig of Jack is that Barnes is no more connected to reality than they are. His little "the machine breaks down" speech ignores the most important question that a person can ask- "Is the machine worth running in the first place." It completely misses the point of the movie.
I remember as a kid watching that scene and feeling so uncomfortable. His dead eyes scared the hell out of me.
Barnes isn’t all that excited about the machine himself because at the end of his diatribe, he tells Elias’s friends that they can kill him.
He took Taylor and Gardner on the ambush despite them not knowing anything.
He executed the lady just because she was angry at them.
@@philkim8297 What did you think of his eyes at the poker game right before the dancing scene at the bunker?
Or when he’s about to hit Taylor with the entrenching tool?
My boy ,John Kramer isn't a villain he was a realist,an angel of vengeance,a hero in a dark place,and he didn't kill anybody in any of his movies prove me wrong on that one
Tyler Durden: “We’ve all been raised on Television, to believe that one day, we’d all be Millionaires, and Movie Gods, and Rock Stars… but we won’t. We’re slowly learning that fact. And we’re very, very… pissed off.”
Very true these days.
idk, about completely right, but they certainly add helpful thoughts. I wanna see this with animes, and video game villian quotes.
You're only afraid of monsters until you become one.
Fight Club is a masterpiece.
The real villains are the heroes
joker's quote is one of the things that are so wrong with society, and is unlikely to ever change
if someone is acting bad, we rarely stop to think about what they might be or have gone through, that causes them to act that way. "we saw/heard you did something bad. dont bother explaining cuz 90% of people wont give a sht about why, just that you did it"
Could you include lines from Arthur Jensen in Network, Dusan Gavrich from The Peacemaker, and Rankin Fitch from The Runaway Jury in your next video, please!?
I like your flow with the quotes.
It's hard for us to admit the "villains" are acttrjght.
Fight club said it best
It's such a shame what happened to the Joker sequel, I'd almost forgotten how good the first one was.
We are no one, we simply try and get from day to day. We are beaten down to the point we stop caring. Those who say they are in power are just like us. They can die just as easily, yet we still follow their destructive path that has been set out in front of us. That is why we are no one, that is why no one really matters. We live for those who control society, tell us what is entertainment, what to consume, what to work. We really are not free in the truest of sense. The lone man by himself can not change anything past his own arms. So why do we keep trying.
nothing is all black and white, that's what i live by. every real villain has some good, and every real good guy has some bad. what matters is how the story is told, not who you are. it's whether they concentrate on the bad side or the good side, even if one is much smaller than the other. nobody is fully "evil" or "good".
i don't care who you are, from Mother Teresa to, well, fuck it, hitler himself, nobody's fully good or evil. we're all human at the end of the day, and we've got to remember that, even when others don't. bash me for it if you want, but i stand by this.
I don't think i call Marlon Brando a villian in Apocalypse Now. The primary antagonist was the war itself.
If you watch the Redux version, the French patriarch makes it clear to Willard, “ The Vietnamese... we worked with them, made something - something out of nothing... We want to stay here because it's ours - it belongs to us. It keeps our family together. I mean, we fought for that. While you Americans... you are fighting for the biggest nothing in history!”
The man turned the military career into his obsession. It drove him mad. Once he became the head of a self-made community, where he is both judge and executioner, you bet your ass that's a villain. How can you exonerate a man who thinks so little of life itself?
PSA: don't take inspiration from fake characters
Where’s the dialogue from Ed Norton’s father when they’re at the dinner table in American History X? Now that’s some truth right there!
The fact that all these quotes are not completely right but also not completely wrong is mind blowing. Like there is some truth and false to what they say
Some villains made good points.but it can only go so far
Only after you lost everything,you are free to do anything.god ,that hit me hard. losing an asshole in a latest relationship,but i just want revenge on that guy.for now all i want to do is be better.but i just cant bear that guy being happy.
If there is light, there is always shadows, darkness, your true side of yourself. Your inner demons
There should be movies where the bad guys end up being victorious over the good guys. That should teach Society a valuable lesson
Sure a dire shortage of actual compassion.