one thing to note about the plastic construction; the motor is attached to a steel plate, and that plate is either bolted to your rig or table, the plastic just surrounds the rest of the electronics / provides for air cooling
@@derekwilliams1155 It absolutely does. Metal )especially aluminium) conducts heat much better than plastic. Also consider the fact that similarly priced products by Simagic and VRS are entirely made out of metal.
As a sim racer & wheelchair user, I really appreciate the design choices here. Quick-release wheel makes context-switching of my desk easier; gradient paddles are excellent (currently I’m mapping a TrackIR to a custom vJoy config - head pitch up for accel, down for brake); separate pedals help (I’ll never use them); but my personal favourite is the centre-mounted desk clamp: I have bruises on my knees from whacking the clamp knobs under each side of my G29, & the single central clamp will mitigate that. Love it! If Logi wants to send me one I’ll put it to much use 😁
The thing I balk most at is the lack of a 6-speed manual shifter. I know it’s silly but I’d like to drive my old MINI around Spa with an H pattern shifter.
I'm all for having everything type C, but this is one of the things I don't mind having micro, because I'll just leave it plugged in, and never need to worry about it for months/years
For this kind of things type B is the definite way to go. Micro is like you have no idea when it'll break. In fact if nobody minds out of spec customized stuffs there are industrial grade connectors available, but good luck trying to get replacement cables if that's the case
i'm eager to see this DD steering wheels coming. Got into sim racing not too long ago with a G923. As i get more seasoned and experienced, i hope they appear here in LATAM soon, since for some reason, Fanatec/Thrustmaster setups dont appear in the local market at all, and i dont feel like getting destroyed with shipping fees nowhere in the future.
Same I can only find Logitech any other wheel brand doesn’t exist here unless you’re willing to import and pay a ridiculous amount in shipping and importing fees.
For real, atleast here in Argentina, a Thrustmaster T150 or T300 its like 3 or 4 times the price of the Logitech wheels, im kinda scared of seeing the price of the Logitech Pro now lmao
@@lautaroalday7225 i'd have to save money and walk to work for like 4 months to buy even a Moza R1 lmao. when i bought my current wheel, the G923, here on Chile got it for 280 US dollarydoos, and spent close to 370 with the driving force h-shifter included in the total. as for Fanatec and TM offerings, not even in MercadoLibre. i legit could buy a barely running subaru legacy on the local market for the price of a big boy DD wheel. p.s: hola amigo del otro lado de los andes :D
@@itsdokko2990 For the record that's pretty much true here in the states as well. I have a fanatec wheel and I could've got a used car, wouldn't have been a very nice car mind but it's certainly possible. TBH if I total up the cost of my sim rig without even counting the PC I think it's more than I could get for the cheapest car in my fleet....
This really is an exciting time for our little hobby. The more competition the better, with Moza on the scene as well this will hopefully allow more and more people to get into the direct drive game. Well done Logitech👏🏻 Just got to get that price down a bit🤔 Really nice review. Enjoyed this👍🏻
Waiting for a Moza R5 deluxe bundle with a load cell brake pedal myself. Should be cheaper than the Logi Pro by some margin. OK, it won't have the rev lights and inbuilt menu LCD but if you race with cockpit view the info is right in front of you anyway.
great review as always, great B roll. I'm VERY interested in this, but that price is a bit much for a casual racer like me. I too hope they do a lower nm version for less. this is a big step for Logi tho, and I'm hyped to see them adopt DD and to see where this ecosystem goes.
Logitech should bring out the connector part of the wheel to buy separately (then modders could make their 3D-printed wheels and bolt them onto the connector).
AN ENTIRE BUNDLE! Wheel, pedals, everything you need! Less than JUST this DD wheel housed in plastic. Can we just take a minute to digest how INSANE that is?
@@punchawaterfall6302 problem is that Logitech will be a lot more popular choice even with that insane pricing because everyone can buy it in any store nearby...
As it will get more popular the price will also drop, and I wouldn’t consider it as a clientele problem but rather a fanatec problem not making their products more available 💁🏽♂️ I’ve been wanting to get the CSL DD for a while now and its dog shit where I live cause import fees and so on and there are only two available retailers that sell them, but they are both out of stock
I agree that it's better to run the motor at 50% than at 90-100% of its maximum output. It should at the very least allow it to run cooler and last longer, while hitting those power values with less strain on the motor.
@@usefulidiot21 I disagree. You don't buy a 11Nm. wheel to use it at 5Nm. Also the rated capabilities will not shorten the life of your wheel, (assuming the motor is with good cooling) there is still margin for the motors, they are never push to 100%
@@usefulidiot21 I also disagree as a electronic hobbyist these wheels are definitely electronically locked at these forces, not mechanically so wear would depend on the thickness of copper the quality of magnets but as you mentioned the most important thing is the heat Edit. Actually I disagree with the first sentence but agree with the first half of your second sentence, I disagree with the commenter as two wheels who let's say have a 5 nm rating and a 11 nm rating that are both locked at 5nm would exert the exact same forces assuming the strength of the motor is locked to 5nm. Electronic motors aren't like mechanical engines where wear is proportional to intensity of application
Considering almost all Logitech gear gets discounted by about 50% a year or two after release. I am really looking forward to picking this up then for £500 with pedals included.
@@lukakapanadze6179 g920 with pedals and shifter cost me under £150 a few years ago, rrp for that was £350. You want to spend £1200 for brand new wheel knock yourself out. I'm all about bargain hunting lol
@@EvilijoUK the g920 is a toy in comparison to this. The profit margins on a product like this are also far lower. You definitely wont see sales on this for a long while, if ever.
I have a fanatec now but have had a logitech G29 and thrustmaster. This is interesting though. My main problem with the G29 was the noise. So if that's not a issue with this new wheel then "no brainer" is spot on. Best thing about logitech over fanatec or thrustmaster is customer service.👍🏼✌🏼
I got a Fanatec set up not too long ago and while I do like it, their customer support/service is pretty bad, and don't even get me started with their shipping practices.
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On top of that I think Fanatec CSL DD is all sold out and you can't easily get one. Logitech is in stock, readily available. Only if I had that money to spend away 😢atm.
Thank you Logitech!! I'm a business owner who uses sim racing wheels, and relying on Fanatec for quality DD supply has been a point of tension due to the very long lead times. Going to be ordering a set of them to try out, hoping that they can be the replacement I was looking for!
Just received mine today. Surprised there’s no comment on how stiff the brake pedal is out of the box. Feels like trying to jam your foot through it to get 100%. Also be careful with max force feedback, I had settings maxed for my G29. Half a lap in with this beast I hit a wall and almost broke my wrist (maybe slight exaggeration but it’s strong). Certainly be careful with this around kids.
Just ordered last night. Usually I research stuff to death but kind of made this purchase with out the usual research. Hoping I love it more than the fanatic csl stuff
I think Logitech kind of shot them selves in the foot with the pricing. It’s no cheaper then a Fanatec on Moza DD. The wheel base is all plastic & about $200 over priced I think. But the pedals are reasonably price for sure. Thanks for sharing 👍🏻👍🏻🙃🙃
Most box stores that sell games have console systems and laptops and keyboards and other peripherals, like Logitech gaming wheels, set up for people to try. Unless Fanatec and Moza decide to mass produce their stuff and make cuts to quality in order to compete their only option will be to sell their competing products for less.
Well logitech died for me i use the g29 and i have always troubles with the Logitech drivers rejecting my wheel or rejecting the game or rejecting my pc
@@subiroam1444 Logitech have always been a good budget option. But this new DD wheel base doesn’t have the budget price tag. For the money I think the Fanetec CDL DD is a better option even though I don’t like the way Fanatec charge a stupid amount of money for the 8Nm power supply.
Dunno. The 11Nm is a plus, as is just having one powerpack. Not keen on the wheel tho, that joystick looks flimsy. But then, the fanatec base wheel is plastic fantastic and an ergonomical nightmare
@Micah That’s right but to get a better product I will buy online none of my sim rig was brought in a retail shop. Logitech have out price themselves on this one less hi “plastic”end for hi end price.
You actually want the 11nm. You just set the force feedback to a strength you like then the extra headroom is nice for other setting such as when you crash or run over rumble strips. Personally, I think the majority of the racing sim crowd would not want 5nm max for sure...8 maybe but without that extra headroom the other vibration etc... effects are also limited. My Fanatec DD2 makes 25nm of torque, I only run it at about 30-40% force feedback on the base and maybe 60-70% in the game and it is amazing the detail it outputs if dialed in properly. In short you can turn down the FFB to less than peak torque but you can't turn up past peak if it's lacking.
i run mine maxed and let the games set ffb. i even have it set to peak not linear but i only have a 8nm. to me its still feels light depending on the car. iracing feels minty its a workout tho.
@@boogerfromthatmovie4257 That is also a good way to set them up. I do the same pretty much in every game and just adjust the FFB on the wheel and degrees of steering if needed.
nice to see Logitech offer a DD product, especially with such high torque specs. The pedal set seems very high quality too! I'm currently quite happy with my Fanatec DD wheel, but if this Logitech model had come out sooner, I would have seriously considered both very hard before making a purchase. I hope they have lots of success and we see sim racing gear from all the manufacturers grow in features and quality.
Fanatec bundle for 8nm base/wheel/pedals is $1,000 so seems like the better alternative (although its always out of stock) would love to see a 3 way competition with Moza too
I'm looking forward to seeing the Thrustmaster wheelbase. I'm not currently in the market for a DD wheelbase it's something I might be interested in buying in about a year. That will give time for some comparison videos and reliability information.
@@berker4321 Availability of products will help out the used market. Currently the used market is priced very high due to new availability. We just need Logitech to have plenty of supply.
I would go Fanatec or Moza... sadly they dont ship to Brazil, so Ill have to take the this Logitech (and dont get me wrong it seems like a decent wheelbase) when getting a direct drive wheel since it will probably be way more acessible than buying from someone else
Just bought my g923 last week 😢. Ohh well im returning it and already ordered the new Pro wheel and pedals. This was such a impulse buy. I dont care 😅.
In fact this should be like 400-600 bucks first DD base just like products from competitors but a bit more affordable as Logitech is not a small garage based company and have it all, name, production power to produce way more products. Not a single normal person will spend his money for this product after a day long research into sim racing coz why if competitors are way longer into it and have stable drivers and great settings ecosystem for all the different games and even cars.
Great review. I'm with you on the price, I wanna make the jump to direct drive but $1000 plus the pedals isn't an option at the moment. If I could get both for a grand, with less force, I'd be saving up right now.
I can't see how anyone could be happy for a peripheral that is almost twice the cost of the console. The extras are heavily marked up, it's a rip off today
I do love Logitech's pedigree in value, style and engineering. I had a G27 and that thing took a beating with mods and 3d printed parts and is still going as strong as the day I bought it in 2013. I since then upgraded to a Thrustmaster T300RS with T-CLM Pedals and the TH8A Shifter and looking to go to a DD wheelbase. I was eyeing Simagics Alpha Mini 2 and the Fanatec CSL DD. But since I own most of Logitech peripherals like the G733 wireless headset, G502 Lightspeed mouse with power mat I may be swayed towards this. I will await more reviews and lets see where Logitech goes with updates.
Cool... wonder if they are working on a new hotas flight system as well (ffb please!), as Flight simulator and X-plane certainly have "taken off"! Thanks for the awsome review on the wheel, loving it! Certainly well thought out mounting methods!
After my horror experience with Fanatec Elite wheels (I had 3 of them fail within a year, all replaced under warranty, but I don't need the hassle of having to send a broken unit back, and then wait weeks for the replacement), this is excellent to see. I'll def be picking this set up. Load cell brake pedal is a huge win also.
@@gripp9k hearing this makes me kind of happy all the fanatec stuff is always out of stock so I had to go with a t300, th8a and an ebay handbrake instead XD, all still work fine after 3 years of regular use...
Really odd pricing on this. I expected them to release something priced just under a Fanatec DD Pro setup. Something in the $/£800-1000 range for a full setup.
I would love to see a direct comparison between Logitech's Pro pedals and Fanatec's CSL DD pedals. Interested to see if Logi's set are worth the extra over the immensely pocket friendly Fanatecs. That and the fact that you can pick up Fanatecs CSL DD base and a wheel for much less and at the power range as suggested by Rich 20:32.
Finally a real game changer to the market! I'm sick of arrogant Fanatec and $$$ boutique brands you have to risk ordering form som mystery store in Jhina!
I was considering this but $2100 au all up pedals as well I’m not even sure if it’s worth it my pc is worth just a tad more then that and I’ve spend similar money on drones but I’m still undecided at this point I love Logitech but the cost is killing me.
Don’t worry about the 5-8-11 Nm. I went from a G29 to the Fanatec csl dd, 8 was too much. After a few months, 5 felt too light so I went to the 8. Again a few months on now, and 8 starts to feel a bit light. Ffb to the max, mind. It just takes getting used to, and you’ll want more in time
So I have a Sim Experience wheel and the NM is not so much about how powerful the wheel is as it is the definition of what you are feeling.When you turn the feedback down you should still get the definition (curbs,rumble strips thing like that).so the more powerful the motor the more signal it can handle.You would really never run a a big motor like this all the way up in a race as your arms and hands would wear out before you even finish a race.So an example of what I am talking about is when you are in the high banks at Daytona with a G27 all you would feel is just a constant force.With a direct drive you will feel the repair patch in the track as long as the program is capable of it.The wheel doesn't get overloaded because of the tiny motor like what's in the G27 or 29 or whatever #their up too now.I am interested in the diameter of the wheel for that price point it better be a full size wheel like in a real gt race car.At that price your options are pretty wide and really need to do your research before you buy.
Very excited to see what else they will come up with for this brand new ecosystem. I was really hopeful to see something like this during Logiplay and boy did they deliver. Excellent review of this new DD wheel.
I honestly don't think upgrading to this makes much sence at the moment since other competitors have a bigger arrangement of wheel and pedal selections alongside their bases so I personally think it's overpriced for what it is.
As a Fanatec Owner, I wish this had came out before CSL DD PRO! I started on Logitech G27 in Afghanistan on GT4! In 07. I loved racing games before that, after I Was Hooked on wheels! Built a Racing seat in Afghanistan out of 2x4, and 3/4 inch plywood! Was AMAZING! What time I had off I was there!
Glad to see another company jumping into direct drive. Have to admit the Fanatec equipment is a pain to setup and get working. I have not drove on my rig for quite a while for this reason. All the updates for the Pimax, Windows and Fanatec equipment can drive a person insane.
@@chrismathewsjr haha I know what you're saying, they'll probably make a new product though, Logitech will see how the product performs and if it is worth it, it's likely they will get very clever with the all the logistics with supply and manufacturing, they'll do more advanced research and development and potentially they can engineer a significantly cheaper product, kinda like what Thrustmaster have done with their cheaper wheel base. Logitech will most certainly do this in my eyes just because they will want to beat Thrustmaster in that market space. Couple years time we will see a cheaper product from Logitech I'm sure. I agree twith you hough, this product as it is probably won't get cheaper. If anything, inflation will make even more expensive.
Good to see them getting into the direct drive world. Granted, knowing this is there first, its kind of big compared to the competition. Hopefully they can refine that over time in the later generations...
I think it is always better to have 11nm product and setup it to 5 or 6 nm, or your preference, but having a machine being capable to offer all the spectrum from 0-11nm to bring you better and precise sensations in every situation, I think it is gonna be more capable to give you the exact tone on different games also.
I believe as far as headroom for torque of the wheel, it’s about the quality of feel rather than strength. 5-6 nm on an 11nm when will feel much better and it will be more reliable as you’re not driving the wheel at max all the time. The quality is increased as the motor driving the wheel is able to provide these movements while producing less heat, therefore allowing for more reliable and scale-able feeling throughout the torque curve of the wheel, and the ability for high torque situations to be able to be felt on the wheel, instead of capping out.
I would go Fanatec. They have a lot more experience and propably better software. The most expensive CSL DD Pro budle cost the same as that Logitech so...
There's other options besides fanatec. Also the bundle hadn't been in stock for months. Logitech seems to aim for mid-high end giving a combo in between the podium and the DD Pro.
Logitech has been making force feedback wheels since the 90's, plus they probably have the biggest spending power for R&D of any sim racing company. Logitech is a huge company, but yeah they should improve their sofeware.
Fanatec sucks compared to other manufacturers in the same price range. Camus, simagic take the cake compared to fanatec. Fanatec cheaply made and terrible customer support.
@@xStaySkilledx we talking about different brands... I had only one issue with my CSR-Elite but it was previous owner fault (he don't installed washers where he should) and I got replacement part from support in less than a week. Except that still works perfect without issues at all. Cheaply made? Except rim it's all metal and solid AF so LOL. All new brands like Camus or Monza are welcome but they need time to make better software...
It's cool and I'm taking into consideration as my first direct drive, but I really wish they had a cheaper, less powerful version, right around the 7 Nm or 5 Nm mark. I have a foldable rig, so anything above 7 would be pure overkill and I realistically wouldn't want to use something that rips my arms off for long sessions. Regardless, it's cool to see them enter this market. Hope they'll build an ecosystem around the PRO and I'm looking forward to more variety in the future.
I just picked up a g923 as my entry to the sim world last October and have enjoyed it so much. This wheel looks awesome but the price is a bit much. Maybe once my warranty goes out on my 923 I might upgrade to this
@@AdrenaLukeYT yessir! Fanatec and others are a bit out of price range for my casual style but this seems like the perfect step up. Especially since they will be releasing an adapter for the pedals to work on the 923 next year. Seems like a great ecosystem either way
The base looks to be genuinely well designed, with user friendliness in mind... I haven't been a fan of Logitech's wheels for a long time now, but that said, I might have to buy one of these some day!
I took the plunge on this and awaiting arrival. Ordered wheels and pedals combo for PS5 for GT7 which I play in VR. Had my G29 wheel/pedal combo for about 18 years now so I felt it was time. Looking forward to see the difference. My biggest thing is immersion so hopefully it will complement my PSVR
Good to see more DD wheels. Honestly I think it's a bit expensive. Same with Thrustmaster's. This looks like it should be competing with the Fanatec CSL DD but the value proposition isn't there.
If I had a grand, I'd buy this in a heart beat. I don't, so a second hand csl DD will do for now. Also really want to know the interface on the wheel. They've gone usb on the pedals, if the wheel is usb too, Logitech have blown the modding market wide open and created a new standard for direct drive wheels. - dual clutch paddles - 11nm - full setup (no parting out) - acres of compatibility - magnetic shifters out of the box - load freaking cell included! (Say what fanatec?) How do you argue with this? Buy once, drive forever as far as I see. Wonder if they do pay in 3 🤔
I have G29 wheel and pedals/ TH8A shifter/add on shifter that I use for ATS which I do love. But I would love see Logitech come out with larger wheel that’s more geared for trucks/Big Rigs. I’d love to see that :). ( Like Peterbilt/Kenworth like theme big rig wheel). Good video. Would love have a Pro model but, currently the old wheels here in Canada are WAY over priced. I bet this pro wheel be close $600-700 Canadian and that without pedals? ouch. Ps. Why hasn’t Logitech made a “Forced” feed back gear shifter??? We have force feed back wheels. Why has Nobody made force feedback shifter?
Aussie Pricing - combo kit : $2,099.90 / $1,499.95 for the base standalone with the wheel (either PS or Xbox) and $599.95 for the load cell pedal set (3).
i switched from a g29 to a gt dd pro 8Nm last year. i dont regret that, but its kinda funny how everyones coming out with affordable DD now, but good, more competition! though i did expect the price of this one to be more competitive. personally i dont think more torque makes that big a difference, so it having 11 is not enough to make up for that imo. and personally id wait with buying into this eco system to see what more is coming (wheels, accessories etc)
Jesus... I paid $190 USD for teh second-to-last brand new G27 on Amazon years ago... And that came with the wheel, pedals AND shifter... and is still working today! I would need at least two things bundled (Wheel/pedals or wheel/shifter) and a price closer to $500 to even consider this.
私は日本人で、字幕で見ましたが、わかりやすかったです。ペダルのスプリング交換の話がわかりやすかった。→I was a Japanese, I saw it in subtitles, but it was easy to understand. The story of the spring exchange of the pedal was easy to understand.
Just having G29 yesterday. Logitech have never got me down on anything. G29 IS still fantastic in 2023. Once I got use to it, I will get this Pro Wheel. Logitech forever.
Considering the pedals are nearly 100€ more than the new Fanatec CSL Elite V2 you didn't really talk much about how the loadcell pedal was? Were they good/bad anything? You just talk about the new DD wheel, which is nice, but you have both products.
Products look great, pricing is disappointing. I would go with Fanatec but the CSL DD (5nm) is almost always sold out whenever I check out if I can buy it with not great options to ship to Canada. Very frustrating trying to get into this hobby post-covid.
one thing to note about the plastic construction; the motor is attached to a steel plate, and that plate is either bolted to your rig or table, the plastic just surrounds the rest of the electronics / provides for air cooling
plastic! i love plastic. plastic is soooo good. nothing i love better than plastic parts!
Still, a plastic enclosure is unacceptable at that price.
@@StevePhoenix making the surrounding all metal would be a waste of materials. From an engineering perspective it doesn’t make any sense
@@derekwilliams1155 It absolutely does. Metal )especially aluminium) conducts heat much better than plastic. Also consider the fact that similarly priced products by Simagic and VRS are entirely made out of metal.
@@StevePhoenix the plastic isn’t helping with the heat transfer wtf, it’s literally air cooled
If they had bundled the pedals with the base and wheel for 1000 it would have been amazing
Literally would have ordered immediately at that price for the combo. But with ELEVEN NM of force I still believe a thousand dollars is a decent price
@@nickreich1 WHO NEEDS THAT MUCH FORCE THO M8 lmfao, Gonna be like fighting a fuckin rhino jesus christ haha
And an H-shifter...
Their H pattern shifter is junk anyway
yea at 1350 for the set they kinda lost me.
Excited Logitech is getting into this segment of the market.
Time for my wrists to break 😅
@@recon1673 Be nice if they had the pedals for sale on their web site(shrug)
@@recon1673 Your bank is also going to break its 1000$
Its not entering the market since you can get a DD2 for the same damned price
@@gamezahoy712 dammit
I was expecting a $500-$600 price tag. At $999 you might as well go for Fanatec or Moza
Just to later on market, price is to high ...
Nothing new... Rubbish
Totally agree. It’s never going to be worth 1000.
Not if you're in NZ and want to game on PS5!
Neither are as good.
@@the-bu3lb it has pedals
As a sim racer & wheelchair user, I really appreciate the design choices here. Quick-release wheel makes context-switching of my desk easier; gradient paddles are excellent (currently I’m mapping a TrackIR to a custom vJoy config - head pitch up for accel, down for brake); separate pedals help (I’ll never use them); but my personal favourite is the centre-mounted desk clamp: I have bruises on my knees from whacking the clamp knobs under each side of my G29, & the single central clamp will mitigate that. Love it! If Logi wants to send me one I’ll put it to much use 😁
The thing I balk most at is the lack of a 6-speed manual shifter. I know it’s silly but I’d like to drive my old MINI around Spa with an H pattern shifter.
What happens if the game has a six speed shifter?
I'm all for having everything type C, but this is one of the things I don't mind having micro, because I'll just leave it plugged in, and never need to worry about it for months/years
I agree with you, but still it's hilarious that they still use micro USB on a new product in 2022! C'mon logitech what are you thinking
It will break when you move things. This WILL happen, you will see
For this kind of things type B is the definite way to go. Micro is like you have no idea when it'll break.
In fact if nobody minds out of spec customized stuffs there are industrial grade connectors available, but good luck trying to get replacement cables if that's the case
I havent seen a single usb type c cord break unintentionally
good for you but unfortunately not everyone is you.
i'm eager to see this DD steering wheels coming. Got into sim racing not too long ago with a G923. As i get more seasoned and experienced, i hope they appear here in LATAM soon, since for some reason, Fanatec/Thrustmaster setups dont appear in the local market at all, and i dont feel like getting destroyed with shipping fees nowhere in the future.
Same I can only find Logitech any other wheel brand doesn’t exist here unless you’re willing to import and pay a ridiculous amount in shipping and importing fees.
For real, atleast here in Argentina, a Thrustmaster T150 or T300 its like 3 or 4 times the price of the Logitech wheels, im kinda scared of seeing the price of the Logitech Pro now lmao
@@lautaroalday7225 i'd have to save money and walk to work for like 4 months to buy even a Moza R1 lmao.
when i bought my current wheel, the G923, here on Chile got it for 280 US dollarydoos, and spent close to 370 with the driving force h-shifter included in the total. as for Fanatec and TM offerings, not even in MercadoLibre.
i legit could buy a barely running subaru legacy on the local market for the price of a big boy DD wheel.
p.s: hola amigo del otro lado de los andes :D
@@itsdokko2990 For the record that's pretty much true here in the states as well. I have a fanatec wheel and I could've got a used car, wouldn't have been a very nice car mind but it's certainly possible. TBH if I total up the cost of my sim rig without even counting the PC I think it's more than I could get for the cheapest car in my fleet....
@@chublez yea my fanatec has the same bluebook as my civic also its insane lol
This really is an exciting time for our little hobby. The more competition the better, with Moza on the scene as well this will hopefully allow more and more people to get into the direct drive game. Well done Logitech👏🏻 Just got to get that price down a bit🤔 Really nice review. Enjoyed this👍🏻
Waiting for a Moza R5 deluxe bundle with a load cell brake pedal myself. Should be cheaper than the Logi Pro by some margin. OK, it won't have the rev lights and inbuilt menu LCD but if you race with cockpit view the info is right in front of you anyway.
@@stevecade857 The wealth of choice consumers have at the moment is fantastic. When I upgraded the G923 the only real option was Fanatec.
Well said @Trauma Team Racing
@M T I wish I could get my hands on one of these to try👌🏻
@@GrahamIsOnTheTube Here here....all hail the Logitech💪🏻💪🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
great review as always, great B roll. I'm VERY interested in this, but that price is a bit much for a casual racer like me. I too hope they do a lower nm version for less. this is a big step for Logi tho, and I'm hyped to see them adopt DD and to see where this ecosystem goes.
yeah, i'm kinda sick of everything shooting up in price endlessly. where are the $150 FFB wheels?
@@GraveUypo they would lose money if they did that
Totally agree with u for the price, I feel like 1000 dollars for a wheel seems a bit too much. Especially compared to the g920 I bought for 250 bucks.
Unfortunately. If you’re a casual this product isn’t for you.
Far too expensive for what it is
Logitech should bring out the connector part of the wheel to buy separately (then modders could make their 3D-printed wheels and bolt them onto the connector).
amazing how they couldn't come in cheaper than the fanatec GT DD Pro bundle @$970
And used a lot of plastic/polymer when Fanatec is all metal... Maybe except wheelrim.
AN ENTIRE BUNDLE! Wheel, pedals, everything you need! Less than JUST this DD wheel housed in plastic. Can we just take a minute to digest how INSANE that is?
@@punchawaterfall6302 problem is that Logitech will be a lot more popular choice even with that insane pricing because everyone can buy it in any store nearby...
Except Fanatec never seems to be in stock. Logitech is a much larger company who just pumps out production.
As it will get more popular the price will also drop, and I wouldn’t consider it as a clientele problem but rather a fanatec problem not making their products more available 💁🏽♂️ I’ve been wanting to get the CSL DD for a while now and its dog shit where I live cause import fees and so on and there are only two available retailers that sell them, but they are both out of stock
A reminder that an 11nm wheel will feel better and smoother at 5nm than a native 5nm wheel. The headroom is nice to have.
I agree that it's better to run the motor at 50% than at 90-100% of its maximum output. It should at the very least allow it to run cooler and last longer, while hitting those power values with less strain on the motor.
@@usefulidiot21 I disagree. You don't buy a 11Nm. wheel to use it at 5Nm. Also the rated capabilities will not shorten the life of your wheel, (assuming the motor is with good cooling) there is still margin for the motors, they are never push to 100%
@@usefulidiot21 I also disagree as a electronic hobbyist these wheels are definitely electronically locked at these forces, not mechanically so wear would depend on the thickness of copper the quality of magnets but as you mentioned the most important thing is the heat
Edit. Actually I disagree with the first sentence but agree with the first half of your second sentence, I disagree with the commenter as two wheels who let's say have a 5 nm rating and a 11 nm rating that are both locked at 5nm would exert the exact same forces assuming the strength of the motor is locked to 5nm. Electronic motors aren't like mechanical engines where wear is proportional to intensity of application
Looking forward to whether if they release a proper shifter along with it as there aren't many great choices at a reasonable price right now.
There are lots of options for custom shifters though that the plug and play
@@nickreich1 If you were to get a shifter to go with this setup, what would be 2 or 3 of your picks?
i'm sure they will make a pro shifter and pro handbreak why not its so easy for them
Considering almost all Logitech gear gets discounted by about 50% a year or two after release. I am really looking forward to picking this up then for £500 with pedals included.
Keep dreamin' bro
@@lukakapanadze6179 g920 with pedals and shifter cost me under £150 a few years ago, rrp for that was £350. You want to spend £1200 for brand new wheel knock yourself out. I'm all about bargain hunting lol
@@EvilijoUK the g920 is a toy in comparison to this. The profit margins on a product like this are also far lower. You definitely wont see sales on this for a long while, if ever.
@@EvilijoUK Did you get yours in a sale at Curry's? I paid the same amount about a year ago and I got mine from Curry's. Absolute bargain.
@@madMARTYNmarsh1981 actually got mine from Game, £179.99 but with new f1 game on Xbox which I've sold on ebay for like 35 quid 😅
I remember a few years ago Logitech said they were exiting the sim racing hardware market.
This is a surprise to me.
Yeah that was a lie
i think they changed their minds because the sim racing market blew up
I have a fanatec now but have had a logitech G29 and thrustmaster. This is interesting though. My main problem with the G29 was the noise. So if that's not a issue with this new wheel then "no brainer" is spot on. Best thing about logitech over fanatec or thrustmaster is customer service.👍🏼✌🏼
I got a Fanatec set up not too long ago and while I do like it, their customer support/service is pretty bad, and don't even get me started with their shipping practices.
On top of that I think Fanatec CSL DD is all sold out and you can't easily get one. Logitech is in stock, readily available. Only if I had that money to spend away 😢atm.
Thank you Logitech!! I'm a business owner who uses sim racing wheels, and relying on Fanatec for quality DD supply has been a point of tension due to the very long lead times. Going to be ordering a set of them to try out, hoping that they can be the replacement I was looking for!
Have you checked out the Simagic alpha mini?
this is even more expensive though and doesnt seem better quality. sadly only real alternative to fanatec are chinese brands
Nobody cares if you’re a small business owner, it’s complete irrelevant
@@fantasyfan9320 grow up.
@@fantasyfan9320 weird
Just received mine today. Surprised there’s no comment on how stiff the brake pedal is out of the box. Feels like trying to jam your foot through it to get 100%. Also be careful with max force feedback, I had settings maxed for my G29. Half a lap in with this beast I hit a wall and almost broke my wrist (maybe slight exaggeration but it’s strong). Certainly be careful with this around kids.
Just ordered last night. Usually I research stuff to death but kind of made this purchase with out the usual research. Hoping I love it more than the fanatic csl stuff
@@pontiaclemansgt You mean, you don't like CSL DD? Why?
I think Logitech kind of shot them selves in the foot with the pricing. It’s no cheaper then a Fanatec on Moza DD. The wheel base is all plastic & about $200 over priced I think. But the pedals are reasonably price for sure. Thanks for sharing 👍🏻👍🏻🙃🙃
Most box stores that sell games have console systems and laptops and keyboards and other peripherals, like Logitech gaming wheels, set up for people to try. Unless Fanatec and Moza decide to mass produce their stuff and make cuts to quality in order to compete their only option will be to sell their competing products for less.
Well logitech died for me i use the g29 and i have always troubles with the Logitech drivers rejecting my wheel or rejecting the game or rejecting my pc
@@subiroam1444
Logitech have always been a good budget option. But this new DD wheel base doesn’t have the budget price tag. For the money I think the Fanetec CDL DD is a better option even though I don’t like the way Fanatec charge a stupid amount of money for the 8Nm power supply.
Dunno. The 11Nm is a plus, as is just having one powerpack. Not keen on the wheel tho, that joystick looks flimsy. But then, the fanatec base wheel is plastic fantastic and an ergonomical nightmare
@Micah
That’s right but to get a better product I will buy online none of my sim rig was brought in a retail shop. Logitech have out price themselves on this one less hi “plastic”end for hi end price.
You actually want the 11nm. You just set the force feedback to a strength you like then the extra headroom is nice for other setting such as when you crash or run over rumble strips. Personally, I think the majority of the racing sim crowd would not want 5nm max for sure...8 maybe but without that extra headroom the other vibration etc... effects are also limited. My Fanatec DD2 makes 25nm of torque, I only run it at about 30-40% force feedback on the base and maybe 60-70% in the game and it is amazing the detail it outputs if dialed in properly. In short you can turn down the FFB to less than peak torque but you can't turn up past peak if it's lacking.
i run mine maxed and let the games set ffb. i even have it set to peak not linear but i only have a 8nm. to me its still feels light depending on the car. iracing feels minty its a workout tho.
@@boogerfromthatmovie4257 That is also a good way to set them up. I do the same pretty much in every game and just adjust the FFB on the wheel and degrees of steering if needed.
nice to see Logitech offer a DD product, especially with such high torque specs. The pedal set seems very high quality too! I'm currently quite happy with my Fanatec DD wheel, but if this Logitech model had come out sooner, I would have seriously considered both very hard before making a purchase. I hope they have lots of success and we see sim racing gear from all the manufacturers grow in features and quality.
Fanatec bundle for 8nm base/wheel/pedals is $1,000 so seems like the better alternative (although its always out of stock) would love to see a 3 way competition with Moza too
moza has the r5 its close in price i think
@@squillager4434 in Europe that price goes up a lot with postage.
Fanatec could take over if they only had stock and proper distribution.
I'm looking forward to seeing the Thrustmaster wheelbase. I'm not currently in the market for a DD wheelbase it's something I might be interested in buying in about a year. That will give time for some comparison videos and reliability information.
and hopefully some second hand market for them so we don't have to shill out the full price.
@@berker4321 Availability of products will help out the used market. Currently the used market is priced very high due to new availability. We just need Logitech to have plenty of supply.
I hope this wheel will at least mean increased Trueforce support, since it would also benefit my G923.
I don't have any legs, and this is basically THE wheel I have been waiting for. Thank you so much for sharing this.
I would go Fanatec or Moza... sadly they dont ship to Brazil, so Ill have to take the this Logitech (and dont get me wrong it seems like a decent wheelbase) when getting a direct drive wheel since it will probably be way more acessible than buying from someone else
isso q é foda :/
It is pleasant to hear that Logitech is still alive. What a time to be a sim-racer!
Just bought my g923 last week 😢. Ohh well im returning it and already ordered the new Pro wheel and pedals. This was such a impulse buy. I dont care 😅.
In fact this should be like 400-600 bucks first DD base just like products from competitors but a bit more affordable as Logitech is not a small garage based company and have it all, name, production power to produce way more products. Not a single normal person will spend his money for this product after a day long research into sim racing coz why if competitors are way longer into it and have stable drivers and great settings ecosystem for all the different games and even cars.
I didn't play any driving games in the last 10 years, not interested in a gaming wheel and yet watched the whole video. Amazing quality 👌👌
I haven't done any simracing stuff since 2018 or so but I too watched this video.
Fuck, how I wish I had the space for a Playseat :(
Sounds like you're addicted to RUclips. Go outside for a while.
Was I the only one to have noticed the "pull your little thing, pop that in the hole....." 🤣10:43
Great review. I'm with you on the price, I wanna make the jump to direct drive but $1000 plus the pedals isn't an option at the moment. If I could get both for a grand, with less force, I'd be saving up right now.
I can't see how anyone could be happy for a peripheral that is almost twice the cost of the console. The extras are heavily marked up, it's a rip off today
@@bertbox69 it’s comparable to other direct drive options, I’m not sure what the issue here is.
@@bertbox69 ? direct drive wheels are pricey, and it's not like you're buying a new controller, it's very different to that.
If you use code DRLUPO you’ll get 16% off. I just got the base for 850 and the pedals for 200
I do love Logitech's pedigree in value, style and engineering. I had a G27 and that thing took a beating with mods and 3d printed parts and is still going as strong as the day I bought it in 2013. I since then upgraded to a Thrustmaster T300RS with T-CLM Pedals and the TH8A Shifter and looking to go to a DD wheelbase. I was eyeing Simagics Alpha Mini 2 and the Fanatec CSL DD. But since I own most of Logitech peripherals like the G733 wireless headset, G502 Lightspeed mouse with power mat I may be swayed towards this. I will await more reviews and lets see where Logitech goes with updates.
Ive been through a g25 g27 and g29.that all broke
Cool... wonder if they are working on a new hotas flight system as well (ffb please!), as Flight simulator and X-plane certainly have "taken off"! Thanks for the awsome review on the wheel, loving it!
Certainly well thought out mounting methods!
After my horror experience with Fanatec Elite wheels (I had 3 of them fail within a year, all replaced under warranty, but I don't need the hassle of having to send a broken unit back, and then wait weeks for the replacement), this is excellent to see. I'll def be picking this set up. Load cell brake pedal is a huge win also.
yeah, what the heck.
I got the fanatec clubsport handbrake 6 months ago and it's already dead.
@@pluggotic Yeah. Fanatec makes nice stuff when it works, but man, the reliability from my experience is terrible.
@@gripp9k hearing this makes me kind of happy all the fanatec stuff is always out of stock so I had to go with a t300, th8a and an ebay handbrake instead XD, all still work fine after 3 years of regular use...
@@gripp9k yeah yours is borderline tragic
Really odd pricing on this. I expected them to release something priced just under a Fanatec DD Pro setup. Something in the $/£800-1000 range for a full setup.
Yeah... imagine the full setup for £849... That would be beautiful... but sadly for the full setup they want £1149.... Geez
boy oh boy, this is a very high quality video for a channel so small. u deserve mor subs if all ur videos scream this lvl of quality
You're very kind! Thank you
So in the future it might be possible to upgrade the pedals for my G29? If so I would be very interested. Thanks for the review.
on pc you can use any pedals on console it might be more difficult but you can also get upgrade kits to
Finally! A modular setup from logitech especially the pedals!
Never thought I’d see the day. Wow.
I would love to see a direct comparison between Logitech's Pro pedals and Fanatec's CSL DD pedals. Interested to see if Logi's set are worth the extra over the immensely pocket friendly Fanatecs. That and the fact that you can pick up Fanatecs CSL DD base and a wheel for much less and at the power range as suggested by Rich 20:32.
My problem with it would be the flat bottom because I prefer round wheels
I went to, but it's not available in Australia yet
All the reviews say it’s amazing force feedback compared to dd wheels out there. wow 💥💥💥
Finally a real game changer to the market! I'm sick of arrogant Fanatec and $$$ boutique brands you have to risk ordering form som mystery store in Jhina!
I was considering this but $2100 au all up pedals as well I’m not even sure if it’s worth it my pc is worth just a tad more then that and I’ve spend similar money on drones but I’m still undecided at this point I love Logitech but the cost is killing me.
What about the Shifter? I need a shifteeer
Don’t worry about the 5-8-11 Nm. I went from a G29 to the Fanatec csl dd, 8 was too much. After a few months, 5 felt too light so I went to the 8. Again a few months on now, and 8 starts to feel a bit light. Ffb to the max, mind. It just takes getting used to, and you’ll want more in time
Same happened to me I started with 8nM and said couldn't max anything and wondered why the hell anyone needs more, now I need more 🤣🤣
So I have a Sim Experience wheel and the NM is not so much about how powerful the wheel is as it is the definition of what you are feeling.When you turn the feedback down you should still get the definition (curbs,rumble strips thing like that).so the more powerful the motor the more signal it can handle.You would really never run a a big motor like this all the way up in a race as your arms and hands would wear out before you even finish a race.So an example of what I am talking about is when you are in the high banks at Daytona with a G27 all you would feel is just a constant force.With a direct drive you will feel the repair patch in the track as long as the program is capable of it.The wheel doesn't get overloaded because of the tiny motor like what's in the G27 or 29 or whatever #their up too now.I am interested in the diameter of the wheel for that price point it better be a full size wheel like in a real gt race car.At that price your options are pretty wide and really need to do your research before you buy.
Very excited to see what else they will come up with for this brand new ecosystem. I was really hopeful to see something like this during Logiplay and boy did they deliver. Excellent review of this new DD wheel.
This is the first video ive seen of yours and the intro REALLY Reminds me of Midnight club 3 start up
Looks amazing. I might update my g29. Does it come with a hand brake?
It does not by default sadly!
I honestly don't think upgrading to this makes much sence at the moment since other competitors have a bigger arrangement of wheel and pedal selections alongside their bases so I personally think it's overpriced for what it is.
The g29 is a great wheel. It's ideal
I've been using their wheels for the last 25yrs always been great value and very well made fantastic review can't wait to update my rig🙏🇦🇺
Thanks very much, I hope you enjoy it!
As a Fanatec Owner, I wish this had came out before CSL DD PRO! I started on Logitech G27 in Afghanistan on GT4! In 07. I loved racing games before that, after I Was Hooked on wheels! Built a Racing seat in Afghanistan out of 2x4, and 3/4 inch plywood! Was AMAZING! What time I had off I was there!
Glad to see another company jumping into direct drive. Have to admit the Fanatec equipment is a pain to setup and get working. I have not drove on my rig for quite a while for this reason. All the updates for the Pimax, Windows and Fanatec equipment can drive a person insane.
You know when someone like Logitech step up their game sim racing must be becoming much more popular, I hope they can hone this and get the price down
i've been alive long enough to know prices don't ever go down. not rent, not food, not video games. best bet is a used market for this plastic crap.
@@chrismathewsjr haha I know what you're saying, they'll probably make a new product though, Logitech will see how the product performs and if it is worth it, it's likely they will get very clever with the all the logistics with supply and manufacturing, they'll do more advanced research and development and potentially they can engineer a significantly cheaper product, kinda like what Thrustmaster have done with their cheaper wheel base. Logitech will most certainly do this in my eyes just because they will want to beat Thrustmaster in that market space. Couple years time we will see a cheaper product from Logitech I'm sure.
I agree twith you hough, this product as it is probably won't get cheaper. If anything, inflation will make even more expensive.
Good to see them getting into the direct drive world. Granted, knowing this is there first, its kind of big compared to the competition. Hopefully they can refine that over time in the later generations...
With detachable pedals I'll bet someone will make a handle to attach to those pedals for a handbrake.
Is the pro line going to have an external handbrake and a H pattern shifter that doesn't suck? (I have the G923 and G shifter).
I think it is always better to have 11nm product and setup it to 5 or 6 nm, or your preference, but having a machine being capable to offer all the spectrum from 0-11nm to bring you better and precise sensations in every situation, I think it is gonna be more capable to give you the exact tone on different games also.
I believe as far as headroom for torque of the wheel, it’s about the quality of feel rather than strength. 5-6 nm on an 11nm when will feel much better and it will be more reliable as you’re not driving the wheel at max all the time. The quality is increased as the motor driving the wheel is able to provide these movements while producing less heat, therefore allowing for more reliable and scale-able feeling throughout the torque curve of the wheel, and the ability for high torque situations to be able to be felt on the wheel, instead of capping out.
I'm interested to see how good these are, for the price they are going to need to be pretty special to compete
cool, . . I hope one day I can buy this wheel.
I would go Fanatec. They have a lot more experience and propably better software. The most expensive CSL DD Pro budle cost the same as that Logitech so...
There's other options besides fanatec. Also the bundle hadn't been in stock for months. Logitech seems to aim for mid-high end giving a combo in between the podium and the DD Pro.
Logitech has been making force feedback wheels since the 90's, plus they probably have the biggest spending power for R&D of any sim racing company. Logitech is a huge company, but yeah they should improve their sofeware.
And has less plastic.
Fanatec sucks compared to other manufacturers in the same price range. Camus, simagic take the cake compared to fanatec. Fanatec cheaply made and terrible customer support.
@@xStaySkilledx we talking about different brands... I had only one issue with my CSR-Elite but it was previous owner fault (he don't installed washers where he should) and I got replacement part from support in less than a week. Except that still works perfect without issues at all. Cheaply made? Except rim it's all metal and solid AF so LOL.
All new brands like Camus or Monza are welcome but they need time to make better software...
Great review! But at this price I would choose Simagic or Moza on PC... $999, only 11nm
They’re gonna have to REALLY impress me with a F1-style wheel to even consider moving to this from Fanatec
i think we'll have to wait a bit for Logitech to assess if this product will sell "as is" and then decide to start selling the base and the F1 wheel.
It's cool and I'm taking into consideration as my first direct drive, but I really wish they had a cheaper, less powerful version, right around the 7 Nm or 5 Nm mark. I have a foldable rig, so anything above 7 would be pure overkill and I realistically wouldn't want to use something that rips my arms off for long sessions. Regardless, it's cool to see them enter this market. Hope they'll build an ecosystem around the PRO and I'm looking forward to more variety in the future.
Go with Fanatec. Logitech is seriously hot garbage.
Bit pricey for me. I’d rather get the Moza R5 bundle for £600
Problem with the R5 bundle is that the pedals are useless, which is the single most important thing you want to upgrade
Does it work on the ps5?
I wanna see a upgrade on the shifter
That’s way too expensive
15:00 input lag?
This seems like a really biased review. The price of these products make no sense the second you compare them to fanatec and moza’s offering.
I just picked up a g923 as my entry to the sim world last October and have enjoyed it so much. This wheel looks awesome but the price is a bit much. Maybe once my warranty goes out on my 923 I might upgrade to this
That'd be quite an upgrade! Lol
@@AdrenaLukeYT yessir! Fanatec and others are a bit out of price range for my casual style but this seems like the perfect step up. Especially since they will be releasing an adapter for the pedals to work on the 923 next year. Seems like a great ecosystem either way
The 920 and 923 are garbage from my experience. Can't get over the gear drive and how that feels, it's not right
Trash for the price
Look at 12:59 what happens to the wheel when pulling. Probably it’s the wheel stand. Looks like it is loose
$999 is absurd, logitech thinks that we all live in Switzerland or sth... jesus...
i was so many years dreaming about have a fanatec wheel, and this are the times to have one.I am so glad
I would like to see you compare this wheel setup to the Fanatec direct drive system
The base looks to be genuinely well designed, with user friendliness in mind... I haven't been a fan of Logitech's wheels for a long time now, but that said, I might have to buy one of these some day!
you mean logitech wheel (without the s) this is the first actual new Logitech wheel since the g27 or something XD
the au price is outrageous
That looks like a Next Level Racing Stand....did you have to drill new holes to mount the wheel?
I took the plunge on this and awaiting arrival. Ordered wheels and pedals combo for PS5 for GT7 which I play in VR. Had my G29 wheel/pedal combo for about 18 years now so I felt it was time. Looking forward to see the difference. My biggest thing is immersion so hopefully it will complement my PSVR
When are you guys going to release a belt driven whee BAM DD
dude those pedals are more expensive than me wheel :skull: but is probably worth it
Good to see more DD wheels. Honestly I think it's a bit expensive. Same with Thrustmaster's. This looks like it should be competing with the Fanatec CSL DD but the value proposition isn't there.
If I had a grand, I'd buy this in a heart beat. I don't, so a second hand csl DD will do for now. Also really want to know the interface on the wheel. They've gone usb on the pedals, if the wheel is usb too, Logitech have blown the modding market wide open and created a new standard for direct drive wheels.
- dual clutch paddles
- 11nm
- full setup (no parting out)
- acres of compatibility
- magnetic shifters out of the box
- load freaking cell included! (Say what fanatec?)
How do you argue with this? Buy once, drive forever as far as I see. Wonder if they do pay in 3 🤔
I have G29 wheel and pedals/ TH8A shifter/add on shifter that I use for ATS which I do love. But I would love see Logitech come out with larger wheel that’s more geared for trucks/Big Rigs. I’d love to see that :). ( Like Peterbilt/Kenworth like theme big rig wheel).
Good video. Would love have a Pro model but, currently the old wheels here in Canada are WAY over priced. I bet this pro wheel be close $600-700 Canadian and that without pedals? ouch.
Ps. Why hasn’t Logitech made a “Forced” feed back gear shifter??? We have force feed back wheels. Why has Nobody made force feedback shifter?
Do You know of any source with parts for these steering wheels? I quickly worn down potentiometer in break pedal. Can not find the exact one.
@@inkwizytor1104
No no idea. You’ll have send support ticket to which ever wheel and pedals you have too see what can be done.
Aussie Pricing - combo kit : $2,099.90 / $1,499.95 for the base standalone with the wheel (either PS or Xbox) and $599.95 for the load cell pedal set (3).
Here in the UK, the whole set (Steering wheel and the pedals) they want £1149... For the base with the wheel (Either PS or Xbox) £849... WOOOW
I was planning on getting the G923 since I'm also a "Logitech Simp," maybe I should preorder this instead!! Would make for quite the first wheel
About trueforce, you have a slider in the options to change its strength. If you lower the effect I consider it to be a great addition!!!
Options inside ACC, to be clear.
@@luizarthurbrito Option's also on the OLED display 🙂
i switched from a g29 to a gt dd pro 8Nm last year.
i dont regret that, but its kinda funny how everyones coming out with affordable DD now, but good, more competition!
though i did expect the price of this one to be more competitive. personally i dont think more torque makes that big a difference, so it having 11 is not enough to make up for that imo.
and personally id wait with buying into this eco system to see what more is coming (wheels, accessories etc)
CAT5 is a cable standard, not connector.
You might be talking about RJ45/8P8C, which can be used with CAT5/5e/6 cables?
Great and nice preview! Current using G923 ...
Jesus... I paid $190 USD for teh second-to-last brand new G27 on Amazon years ago... And that came with the wheel, pedals AND shifter... and is still working today! I would need at least two things bundled (Wheel/pedals or wheel/shifter) and a price closer to $500 to even consider this.
私は日本人で、字幕で見ましたが、わかりやすかったです。ペダルのスプリング交換の話がわかりやすかった。→I was a Japanese, I saw it in subtitles, but it was easy to understand. The story of the spring exchange of the pedal was easy to understand.
Do you know if its possible to just use the pro pedals together with a thrustamster t300 wheel??
Just having G29 yesterday. Logitech have never got me down on anything. G29 IS still fantastic in 2023. Once I got use to it, I will get this Pro Wheel. Logitech forever.
Considering the pedals are nearly 100€ more than the new Fanatec CSL Elite V2 you didn't really talk much about how the loadcell pedal was? Were they good/bad anything? You just talk about the new DD wheel, which is nice, but you have both products.
I was thinking of buying the thrustmaster TS-XW.. is Logitech’s DD wheel driving experience better?
Products look great, pricing is disappointing. I would go with Fanatec but the CSL DD (5nm) is almost always sold out whenever I check out if I can buy it with not great options to ship to Canada. Very frustrating trying to get into this hobby post-covid.