Quick Way To Fix Phase Correlation Issues 90% Of The Time
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With that voice you should host a late night jazz radio show
this vid cured my depression
I didn't watch the whole video but using mid side EQ and a correlation meter is a new technique to me for spotting phase issues. Has saved my mix, thank you! :)
Loved this video. Simple and straight to the point. Very useful approach to solve phase issues. Thanks for sharing!
Sweet, that fixed my phase issue. For a minute I was adjusting the panning until it fixed the phase but then i couldn't pan wherever I wanted to. I didnt even think about just EQing the sides.
You are a good guy Sado!!! Thanks for sharing that tip! :)
very useful, I stumbled on using this technique recently while trying to fix correlation issues with the polysix.
Great tuto. Thank you so much Sado!!!!
I just realized something, i trust the voice and that makes me wanna follow.
This is so helpful and easier than I would have thought! Thanks! Also... WHAT IS THAT TRACK?!? I don't want to use it, I just want to listen and groove to it. So awesome. Keep up the awesome vids.
I didn’t even know phase cancellation was a thing till now. Thanks I’m definitely gonna pick up this BX meter
Quick and simple very cool!
Great helpful tip! Thx 🎚🎛
Thanks thanks thanks you saved my most important project for school
awesome tip!! thanks brother
Great video! Thanks.
This could be EXACTLY what i was looking for here 😃👍
As I hear you it sounds like making the sound mono would avoid/fix phase cancellation, but if you have two sinewaves, invert one of them and make them both mono, they still are not hearable because of 100% phase cancellation right? So is that example the other 10%? :P
Izotope's Imager works great, too. I always make those low, rumbling frequencies nearly mono by default during mixdown. Really cleans up the mix in general, especially if you have phasing issues.
Thank for a video!! :)
You should add a boost to the low end mid channel as well to compensate for the now small lack of bottom.
thanx for the vid and explanation
Hey buddy I really enjoy your videos, they are great. I just got done, I've been doing this massive endeavor, trying to legitimately understand the physics of music. So
To return the favor and pass on a little bit of knowledge I just received today, and I owe you because I've learned a lot from you my friend, but a correlation meter in the center isn't out of phase apparently, but it is a sign that you just have a wide mix. And I guess the science behind that makes sense because if it's in absolute phase it's all the way to plus one, and negative one is 180degrees it's other participant. And if you look at two waves, a blown up form, when they're out of phase, the peaks and valleys of the sine waves are running opposite so they constantly are canceling each other out.
The way this gentleman had explained it to me was if you're in one wave is in phase you're in the plus one section, and the other participant is out of phase being a negative one, they mathematically equal zero. Which is the absolute sound that you hear if you're out of phase 180°. I just learned all this in the last four hours more like 4 weeks. But it just clicked
If you have one way form that's plus one and one that is zero in the middle of the correlation meter then you have a strong propensity for strongly being in phase. But if they're both in perfect phase, plus one, then you have the ultimate of state of being perfectly in phase. And if you are reading zero centerline, it is said that your mix is a really wide mix but still in phase. Thanks for putting up with my gabiness. don't think that I typed all this out, I do voice recognition software to make these really long messages, and hope I didn't put a bunch of blubber down without checking I'm going to check. Have a great day my friend God bless you
And to add a butt cover because I am by far the top of the food chain in the brain game. This is only a month of really studying phase so if I am not accurate, please learn me. Pretty please.
one of the most terrible things that people do is slam another one for being wrong, and my intention isn't to be some arrogant smart shot here. My intention is to pass on what I've been passed. And as music goes, for every rule, there is the trump card, being how does it sounds. There's hundreds if not thousands of ways to approach a mix and have a nice sounding final mix. I come from the world of being alive audio engineer, and have been for the last 30 years. I give major props to all of the studio engineers out there that have endured it for a long time because it's a lot more in-depth, it's permanent.
Anyways here I go rambling on again. God bless you all send, me a message here if you want to swap brains. I have dedicated my life to music, and I find myself studying more today because an error in mix doesn't go away when the party stops... It is just more obvious.
Thanks for the tips man. Case scenario: I have a synth channel (unison if that matters) and there are rare moments the correlation meter of the Span is showing -0.1, -0.2. Is that fine I should do sth about it?
Bro. Could you do a video on the BX meter? Where you want your mix to be sitting in it and etc.
Thanks for helping me
hi i really need help, my 808s are “slowed down” for some reason, i always but my 808 into sampler but for some reason the only way to get it to the full 808 is my slice but i want it in classic but it’s slow in classic, i really need help please if you could that would be amazing
this is beyond awesomeness:D
Wow, you're the man,
Great stuff
I needed this vid damn!
Be careful stereo widening plugins usually created phase issues . I stopped using them i use only true panning and Ozone Imager to the mastering chain but just slightly not too much also i make the low end completely mono to avoid nasty issues.
Ozone Imager is a stereo widener. Stereo enhancing/widening/imaging are all the same thing
Thank you
Thanks man I've just sort my crap out. It works
Love you !
Thanks a lot :)....from Korea
im good in this part im just stuck in the loop stage for some reason any tips
thank you
thanks a lot man
I'm all the way a +1. Is that bad. I still dont understand it yet. Can someone help me? It goes up when my song drops. Where like bass elements are at.
great video
hey sadowick can you please make a tutoiral how to get the psytrance kick and bass fitt nice tougether. i tried evrything nothing works. after 5 years of music production still can't figour it out. i don't know is it because i don't have a master studio i really don't know. i think i watched every single tutorial on youtube and still it doesn't help. i mean it sounds decent but always when i compare it to someone i really like i just find my kick and bass not that good. now i have the analyser and i just don't understand it. before i was only using span and smexoscope but never really understood what frequences are the trouble frequencys. i always felt like my kick and bass need more power or atleast one of them. now i bought the better analyser oscillosmegascope and it is so strange because it tells me that kick and bass are overlapping but i don't have any delay on it? is the analyser fooling me? it is so strange to me. i don't know what frequencys i am missing and how i can make the phase corrulation between kick and bass perfect that it really glues tougether like on the top artists. thats all i really want. i know you have the top quality we all want it would be so nice if you can make that.
Whatbis the plugin u use for cheking the phase problem
Amazing vid as always, but.. I do have a question... So sometimes the phase of the track is only ok (+1) if the kick and the sub bass or bass (or both) are playing with the other elements of the song because of their mono magic haha but... If I go to a break and take out the kick and bass (or sub) and I leave only the elements that are really stereo.. my phase meter goes wild to the -1 side (as it should because of all the stereo information) but is it normal? or should I only care that if I turn the song to mono in the break with all the stereo information made mono there are not gonna be phase issues or should I always have something to back it up.. like a little of mono signal so the phase meter always stays in the middle or even a little bit to the right? It would mean the world to me if you could answer this question and btw sorry for my english haha and have a great day (or night) :)
MrDrGemma I can answer your question a little. You don't want anything in your mix to be too close to that -1. What will happen is when your track gets played back on a mono system in a club or something, all that stereo info will disappear. You can still make a track or a sound sound wide without having phase issues by using good panning techniques and such. Or by using to similar but different sounds panned each way. There are many tricks to get width without phase issues. At the end of the day use your ears and check in mono when you are mixing for a club. This holds true for all the little single driver mono Bluetooth speakers as well. If sounds are too far to -1 they can sometimes disappear from the mix. But this video is great. Almost any mastering engineer will cut all stereo info below 150 or so. There is almost never a reason to have stereo info below 150. It just muddied up the mix. So use the mid side eq like he was doing. Also it's important to figure out which individual sounds are causing phase issues. I use a correlation meter on each sound in my tracks just to make sure they don't go too far to -1. It's ok to go under 0 on some sounds but just use your ears and check in mono frequently. Hope this helps. At the end of the day do what sounds good.
This was insanely helpful, thanks! How do i know if theres phase issues if i was listening instead of looking at the metre? I guess what I'm trying to ask is what do phase issues sound like?
In Izoztope Ozone there is a correlation meter in the stereo imager plugin. You can use the meter to " narrow " down the bands that cause phasing,.
It can either sound very hollow tinny sounding or you can feel a sucking sensation to the ears, thats normally the areas to listen for when has issues occur.
Nice video
Anyone know where Channel Mode went for Pro-Q 3?
Thanks more tricks to add to my arsenal.
Do every instrument/channel has to be in phase?
damn i've never thought about listening to things at 200% hahah that's awesome
I am trying to figure out what you've done to stop stereo low freqs cancelations...
Trying to find Waldo (your mouse cursor...) :-)))
Oh, and you've mentioned a Low-Pass filter, but it seems to me that there's a high-pass filter on screen...
Am I wrong?
And BTW, you've fixed the correlation issue but did not tested in mono after that, right?
As far as I could understand you've got rid of the low end from the sides signal so it stops that messy bass running around the middle bass sources...
Nice!
That's very often used by hip-hop, rap, low-end dependent musical styles producers/mix-engineers...
U have applied the eq on master ?
Can you see the crests and troughs in Ableton?
Ok, I would like to know how you knew the low end was causing the phase issues. I'd really appreciate an explanation
Ma wigga :D i love your explanation!
awesome vids
what is that plugin?
Question.
I have two stem guitars out of phase and no matter how much i try manually fixing them they are never in perfect phase. Is there a simple way, or a plug in to mix these two separate tracks and making them unison?
Im using garageband
Waves inphase
Thanks for this helpful video! One question, do you add the EQ on the master track or on the individual channels?
Since he is using a finished track as an example he used it in master. But you could fix the phase issue in your mix by applying the technique, check individual channels if they are out of phase using the correlation plugin
is this better way from converting phase ?
hi can you please explain is all the things inside the low cut at 3:13 in stereo and beside that at 50 hz mono only?
he just remove the low frequency of side channels you can still hear bass cause bass is still present in mid channels
can i put that eq on master? or for example, i have phase issues with guitar and piano. should i fix their channels individually or together ?
individually
I'm curious, do you apply this process to every single final mix you have?
You should analyze the phase of every mix, but you only have to follow this process if there's a problem that this process can fix.
Only do this if there's something you need to fix, don't do it on every single mix.
@@XiyuYang so if I have a sound on a track that have a minimal correlation issue, it is ok to leave like it is?
E.g.: I have a track that 90-95% of the time it's on the correct side, do we leave it as it is?
I analyze every track correlation with *"Voxengo Correlometer".*
i think if the meter goes all the way to +1 means you mono 'ed that output. no?
I don’t know what phase correlation means though to begin with :( does it mean muddyness ? Also I never understood mid side eq and what it does . Help! Please @sadowowick #sadowick
BX has plugin called bx_control, it's utility with ton of features, one of them is monoiser
2 years later and Brainworx is still brilliant ;)
its fun usiing level by masterin the mix to do all of this .but i didnt knoe about this pluggin also by brainworks
Awsome
This Is exactly what Iam doing :)
what is the software he working with ?
Damoon Ardalan Ableton Live
it's possible in french? lol thx
1:12 *Enters Ableton/Goes to Bass Track/Goes to Utility/ Turns width to 0* Phase Problem is immediately solved. dope
but u lost stereo field, fixing phase issues is just to solve while keeping sound's stereo image...
*Great video.*
*Great tips!* _Much appreciated._
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My only constructive criticism would be to respect nomenclature, simply as a nod to the profession, art and science that we all love.
Mono ≠ Mid
Side ≠ Stereo.
Mids lack Side information, unlike Mono, which may contain Mid _and_ Side information.
Sides lack Mid information unlike Stereo, which may contain both Mid _and_ Side information.
to get mono using the utility plug in in Ableton you have to select left or right, simply putting it down to zero in C doesn't work correctly. Great vid though as usual :)
if you select left or right you only have one channel. mixing in mono requires both channels united in the center !
but that's not how the utitlity works in Abelton - there are plenty of tutorials about it on youtube
I'm assuming -1 means 100% destructive phasing and +1 means 100% constructive phasing. Can someone confirm?
csselement I'm not 100% sure but I think you are right. -1 means cancelling out each other and +1 is building phase onto each other.
I do this and still have some phasing issues.
go in the mix, find the offending sounds, use a stereo widener and narrow those sounds
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I dont think this is a wise solution. Phase correlation issues arent really issues at all, in most cases. Its wise to heed causing unneccesary mono incompatibility. But it is also unwise to make the needle stay more on the right side, by compromising stereo power and effect.
Just stay aware of what will get lost in mono, and you'll be fine. Use them 0% and 200% width buttons. Look at what happens. If you discover anything gets lost, what you don't want to get lost, then its a problem. Otherwise, dont fret too much about it.
Some of the best albums out there intentionally have elements that would cancel out, when played in mono. Usually such albums are so dense with information anyway that the mono result will even be arguably at a better position if that info didn't get lost.
So yea. The fact that such a low cut helps make the needle stay in the positive more, is not really the best approach. It can be useful in some cases. So yea.
@Josh Beane If you flick to mono, then all of the "side" info is lost anway. So cutting them extra will not do anything. There is no reason to cut that side lows, as he did.
Only maybe, if you wanna compete in the loudness war, and wanna get rid of low frequency info. Cos most systems will not play such lows in stereo anyway.
But I'd say, if there isnt a reason to do this, then don't. It creates phase anomalies, that compromises the quality of the sound.
It may be a tool for sound design, but not for engineering. IMO.
Bro, all you did was cut out the low end of the spectrum on the side-channel, which is known for causing phasing issues. Making your bass mono would work better in this case (!imo!).
But this means he’s essentially eqing out the stereo (side) mud frequencies.
Sorry, but this guy doesn't quite know what he's talking about.. some errors in this vid: 1) zero is not "the sweet spot".. 2) 1 is indeed in perfect phase (i e mono).
Other than that, he's correct in keeping a close eye on bass content in the side channel.
I think what he meant by that is that as long as you are above 0, you should be good for the most part. I've seen him talk about this in other videos, he definitely knows that +1 is means 0 phase cancellation
The best way to learn is to teach...
Yet you prefer talking like a bitch...
Why do you think there are millions of people doing tuts on the same subject?
What I got from that is at %200 spread 0 is the sweet spot
It's mid/side not mono/stereo!!!
why nobody mention this brainworx plug ins back in 2011? WHYYYYYY?
i got a question sr! how did you know? that the low end are the cause of this particular case and solve issues?
thank you