John Kelly, Fascism and McDonalds: 12 Days Until Election Day
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- Опубликовано: 23 окт 2024
- With less than two weeks before Election Day, we sit down with a group of reporters for another roundtable discussion about the state of election, including the news that former Trump White House chief of staff John Kelly believes the former president is attracted to fascism and would rule as a dictator if he could, as well as Kamala Harris seizing on that news to make one final plea to voters that Trump is a threat to Democracy, and Trump's reliance on viral stunts and vulgarity to attract undecided voters.
If you are angry and worried then do something about it. You get the democracy you work for. Focus your energy. Vote, get your friends to vote, volunteer, donate. Plenty of orgs to support (Republicans Against Trump, NextGen, Vote Save America, VoteRiders, etc.). Two weeks left. Take action or you have nothing to complain about if Trump wins....
I don’t know who needs to hear this, but VOTE.
The problem with just releasing an audio through traditional media is that people it needs to reach are not going to hear about it or believe it unless they see video footage, or he gets out and does a press conference. For a general who understands the stakes, Kelly is still a major coward.
Encouraged by all the Dem voters! Voted Blue 🌊🌊🌊💙
There's a weird influx of insulted republicans in these comments. Nothing but ignorance, insults and posturing on this reasonable discussion.
They're here for everything NYT does. I don't know why they're even here.
These confected moral indignations and supercilious judgements amount to precisely nought.
My wife and I voted in Pennsylvania, both for Harris/Casey. My wife is a 1st time voter. My oldest child is also voting for the first time ever this election. He's also a Harris supporter as is his gf who's also voting. +4 in Pennsylvania, 3 of which are brand new voters
Thank you!!
I moved to PA in 2019 and I'll be happily voting Harris/Casey with you 👍🏽
I'm not shocked they are all white dudes lol i typically only listen on my Overcast app.
If Nikki Hailey comes out and campaigns with trump wouldn’t that wipe out the Liz Cheney thing out.
Trump is refusing her because he's not done shedding tears over her primary run and won't give her any chance at stage time even if it would help him.
Why would Cheney's endorsement mean anything? She's a nobody and her dad was 1000% worse than Trump in actual damage done.
Crazy that trump doesn’t think that national guard is part of the military lol
"new guy says Trump is a new special kind of (potential) danger as of 2 weeks ago" .. and we sat down with him, and we talked to him about sitting down before we sat down, ugh🙄🤦♂️
As an Australian I’m terrified of another trump term. I can’t believe 50% of Americans are even considering the orange fascist.
As an Australian, nobody here cares what you think.
Propaganda works. Speaking of which how about you guys take back Rupert.
A campaign contribution in kind.
I think consumers of New York times content are generally pretty well educated, so I'm surprised how dumb this conversation is, with beating people over the head about fascism
They have other content, and seeing these comments, people need dumbed down content to begin to accept info outside their echo chamber.
I don’t think people around the world realize the ramifications of this election. Like, “why should I care?”, which boggles my mind.
I kind of feel like people in other parts of the world understand how pivotal this election is more than many Americans do
@@parissinclair6513in Sweden, that’s not the case.
No Ross Douthit.........good call.
Everyone should vote but this all a bunch of doom watching.
How does anyone vote for Trump??? If only the New York Times brought on someone who will proudly vote for Trump to explain their position instead of villainizing them
There was a whole series of NYT podcasts which did go talk to Trump voters.
I've heard a lot more from Trump voters than people voting for Harris, 3rd party, or not at all.
Their views are well represented in the everyday speakers in those podcasts if not the professional talking heads.
The Naval Observatory is the heart and soul of service to one's country. This precisely signals to John Kelly's point that Trump doesn't get it and is a place which is available to Kamala the candidate. Kamala gets it.
Trump! 🇺🇸
Nope. He doesn't represent America well, maybe Russia.
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Trump for Prison 2025! 🇺🇲
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This show is ridiculous. What's the point of this show? Are we supposed to believe that Kelly knew this for 4 years, didn't bring it up in 2020, and NOW he decides to tell it?Bahahahahahahsa... only liberals would 6 this.
He and other republicans have been saying this for years. Is that your party? This is what an echo chamber and delusion looks like. Please be careful with that, all the previous "top picks" know how dangerous and racist Trump is.
Don't you think John Kelly would come out and say the NYT lied about what he said if indeed that was the case?
All of the nuances of politics and life are lost to people that lack the ability to critically think
@@ommyotter4064they probably paid him off. Kelly has a concern about civics , and fascism? Fascism is an ideology, trump may be a narcissist, but he is not an ideologue. This is a carefully crafted dnc psyops. If Kelly really had concerns he'd come out in 2020. the fact is Kamala is probably down 5-6 points in her internal pollings, and their desperately freaking out. Next week they'll say he's the antichrist, and he's a big fan of Alister Crawley.
All with 0 evidence, just claims. Trump has had a camera in his face for 50 years. If he has dropped the n word, did anything truly nasty, it would already be out by now.
I imagine if he felt there was no chance of Trump winning, he could stay out of things. I don't imagine he enjoys the prospect of possibly being targeted by angry Trumo supporters (as we've seen happen before), and so he didn't say much untill he felt the ramifications of not doing to were terrible, and imminent.
Also, it's not just Kelly, and it's not just now.
Esper (former Trump Secretary of Defense) backed up Kelly's recent remarks and has said he has no reason to doubt Kelly’s “honesty or integrity” in relaying Trump’s previous comments. He encouraged the audience to look up the definition of fascism, as Kelly did, and ask whether Trump falls “into those categories.” and concluded "It's hard to say that he doesn't, when you kind of look at those terms. But, he certainly has those inclinations, and I think it's something we should be wary about.”
General Milley (Tumps chairman of the Joint Chief of Staff) has said
Trump is a “fascist to the core” and “the most dangerous person to this country.” Gen. Mattison (formed Sec of Def) has echoed these sentiments and as far back at 2020 wrote:
"Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people - does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us,"
And that Trump tried to:
“destroy trust in our election and to poison our respect for fellow citizens.”
Gen. McMaster also recently wrote of the Jan 6 insurrection that Trump "abandoned his oath to ‘support and defend the Constitution,’ a president’s highest obligation."
Edit: An additional note:
Neither Mattis nor Kelly are registered members of any political party, nor is Mattis. Esper is I beleive a registered Republican.
Great podcast, as usual! Thank you!
Why wasn't this story Front Page?
I'm a shy pro-fascism, anti Trump guy. Or woman. Who should I vote for?
I vote you find professional help
I voted for Trump, let's do it. 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
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Out of touch elitism. TRUMP 2024❤❤❤🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Who is out of touch? Working class vs born rich, who is actually a part of elite circles?
Did you watch what *he* said, not even what the podcasters said. It’s literally insane.
Trump is an elitist billionaire. He flew on Exstein's airplane.
You asking us to vote for the dementia billionaire? What the hell?
@@computeraidedworld1148commenter is probably a bo5.
Mark Kelly : Man those Trump comments were weird. How about I inject myself into the 2020 election, forget those comments for 4 years, and suddenly remember then 2 weeks before the election. Mark Kelly shot his bullet in 2020 he doesn’t get two. This has been the argument most of my family has made.
I think a lot of people tried really hard to give Trump concessions, especially those who spent time in devotion to him in his administration. A man of his position had to be very careful about slandering a past president. I think him coming forward is a declassified warning in revealing what he's known and now the stakes are too high to remain silent. Judging on some assumptive motive is irrelevant at this juncture..
*John Kelly! Mark Kelly is the Democratic senator from Arizona who used to be an astronaut.
Please understand who you’re talking about before responding. This is the problem with Trump voters, you say things but don’t know what you’re even saying.
Los que apoyan a KEMALA MAMAMALA lost left Kamaradas cuba - Venezuela
Trump ganará
Saludos desde Perú 🇵🇪
We undecided voters are not undecided. We have decided that both candidates are not worthy as Presidential candidates.
Honest question: is one option _less_ worthy? Is one option materially worse?
For me, J.D. Vance is somewhat of a deciding factor, only because of Trump's age. He would be the oldest person ever elected president, and he's had years of poor diet and little exercise. J.D Vance was only elected to public office for the first time in 2022, and before that he was a failed venture capitalist who exploited and lied to workers in his own home state. He is so incredibly far from being fit to take over one of the most powerful offices in the world, and the chances of him becoming President Vance are high if Trump is elected.
I get that. I'm not American, but I feel the same way about my options in my country. But, and please don't take this the wrong way - being an adult sometimes means you have to make a choice you are not 100% aligned with, but is the best of your poor options. Voting is probably the single most important civic duty you acquire as an adult, and if you are waiting for a candidate to come along who fully aligns and targets all of your viewpoints - I think you'll be waiting and not exercising this singular duty and awful long time. Change is generally a gradually process...if one candidate is more likely to get you closer to your goal state, not voting won't get you closer.
Also, if you don't vote - you are essentially letting others make the choices for you. Finally, if you don't vote, and feel that this will somehow "send a message", I think you are overestimating how loud that message will be, and underestimating the ramifications of your surrender to apathy, not just for yourself, but for your fellow citizens.
I'm reminded of a quote attributed to Plato:
"The price of apathy in public affairs is to be ruled by evil men."
...and we've seen the havoc that evil men can create.
Babahhahahahaha this is so ridiculous !!!! You are so out of touch - your podcast is so inauthentic hahahahah it’s like a mocumebtary / satire -
This is what an echo chamber and delusion looks like. Please be careful.
Fascism? I wish!
you sound like you’d be a lot of fun on car rides
@@le_rayon_vert Train rides. ;)
Trump is WINNER
Not in 2020. lol
The only ones who think trump is a winner are losers.
Americanos red pill