My personal, non-elegant definition of Permaculture is the ethical farming, ranching and environmental restoration of one's personal property - I prefer to leave the statist, communistic nonsense out of it. How I choose to engage in charity and/or bartering of any overages of my property is nobody's business but mine. It's important to be charitable; charity by demand or force isn't charity
I’m curious, what does communism have to do with permaculture? Like communes? Statism? Would you care to expand? I agree 100% with your definition, but the rest of your comment seems a bit unnecessarily emotionally charged. I’m curious as to what ideology or statism has to do with permaculture?
@@diegom6085 Look at the historical Chinese model. The socialist/communist influence kept the farmers poor but would not permit them to keep their own crops or own their land. Not until Deng Xiaoping were there any opportunities for the farmers. On a larger scale, I believe what he’s saying is keep government out of the way. This method of sustainable agriculture doesn’t require legislators over-legislating because of financial interests from Big Ag, militant, misinformed vegans and other bleeding hearts. The lazy, judgmental hypocrites. There is a food crisis worldwide, fresh water shortage and depletion of nutrients in our soil. Permaculture considers and offers solutions to improve all such issues.
Man yall are so spot on about this stuff. It's like the wood chip method doesn't work here in North Alabama because of several different reasons. There are many different ways of gardening. All will work it's just what works in your area.
Catching up on some old videos, wow a year ago and it's only gotten worse. Funny how many think you do the work I get the goods. You both are still spot on.
Good talk! I get the comment all the time, “ that’s to much work “. I appreciate the time you took to explain this topic. I’ve found there is no argument with the results. When we can show proven results people will come asking “How did you do this?” One of the most helpful tips I would give a beginner is break up the property into manageable pieces and try to “hold ground “ there, then move out from there. Create a guild or island then connect them over time.
So true. And if you've put in the hard work you understand how much work it can save into the future. Front load it right and you've served a generation.
Years ago I got interested in permaculture but due to one of the points you made, the fact that so many fringe people become the voice of permaculture, I pulled away from it. It took years and seeing that there was more to it than environmentalists, vegans and hippies for me to give it a second look. Now I realize I had done the "Baby out with the bath water" thing.
I just started watching your channel. I love the content so far, but my comment is on your rocker. It totally brought tears. My mom had one identical to yours my entire life. I lost her 13yrs ago & I don't know where that rocker went. But your porch vlog sure did bring back some amazing memories. Thankyou. that's all.
Our Way Farm sorry to hear about your mom and her rocker but it does warm my heart to hear that our porch creates fond memories for you! Thank you for taking the time out of your day to reach out!
Permaculture is like architecture for the land. Designing multiple bio systems to work in harmony. (Says the architect who bought a farm). We are working with a permaculture designer to get started. Hope we will be where you are by next year.
Found you through, " Sow The Land". Highly impressed with how you are doing things there and although we probably have differing perspectives in some areas, to me it is inconsequential, as your willingness to share your wealth of acquired knowledge and expertise is invaluable, and I'm happy to have found you! ❤
I'm a new veiwer of this channel, came from sow the land❤️💛💚 I love the mentality of you and your family especially your son. Been learning a lot of botany and permaculture for a bout 3-4 years now and love the content I have seen so far on the channel. I'm a huge libertarian and love what y'all are doing with your property and y'all's time. I look forward to seeing the great progress y'all make and to learn a lot. Ty for all that y'all do!
im learning so much about permaculture. I am a product designer and technologist, but always had a desire to use design & technology to help humanity. I got into solar, then expanded into botany & agriculture. Permaculture to me - is regenerative agriculture, is sustainability, is design and in essence art of feng shui. Im trying to research the negatives too, but It is so amazing :) - Edit; I think the verbiage of the word permaculture should only indicate the design philosophy and methodology - and not be treated as if it is a governing law Owners of the land get to decided the rules.
Your speaking of the common-sense ( plus experience, knowledge ) application of the permaculture "details" ( to quote Mark) reminds me of what Mark Shepard gets passionate about ;) . He and Richard Perkins are pretty great for covering that.
I just stumbled across your channel, and this video made me hit that subscribe button! Glad to see some real talk about the self righteous attitude that creeps around in the society of permaculture (and society at large). Y'all are awesome!
To me, permaculture implies a holistic approach to stewardship of the land. Not "use" of the land because that makes it sound like you're simply there to take what you can until the land is used up.
That was an absolutely fascinating discussion. I suspect the challenge in defining permaculture stems from how broad the concept is. IMO it's a bit like defining Physics. There are many definitions but, unless you have at least a basic understanding of the topic, they'll probably leave you with more questions than answers.
Awesome! You guys are speaking to my soul! I think about permaculture as Client Needs, Terrain/Climate Realities, and Profitabilty. In my situation, I’m building a sustainable neighborhood on a really great investment property. As a capitalist, I really believe that sustainability is the most profitable system for property investors and managers. If every investment property could be producing food during the holding phase and then build the neighborhood to maximize long term food production, we could dramatically improve our supply chains. Should be closing on this property near Augusta, GA in about a month and can’t wait to share how we do this!
Excellent video. Thanks for the viewpoint and information. My permaculture definition; Through environmental observation and using those observations to work with nature (plants,animals, microorganisms, light, wind, rain, etc) to make life easier and regenerate the environment under your control.
Very valid points! It occurred to me that the most effective tool in people care is teaching people to take care of themselves. As a society, we've moved a long way in the opposite direction. But I remember Geoff Lawton saying he never went anywhere he wasn't invited. I thought that was a good lesson. Help, but value your own time, effort and sanity. When people see what you can accomplish with permaculture, to whatever level it can be implemented in a specific location, the impact and interest is much greater than words could convey. I'll be following along to see where your journey takes you. Thanks for sharing.
I am so glad I found you guys. I have been watching your videos for days. So refreshing to find people that believe in this kind of farming but are "normal" lol. I found your channel because I am trying to create a sustainable kitchen garden. I would consider my self more of a prepper than a farmer. Just want my husband and I to have better quality food options. Thank you so much. Also that son of yours is an amazing young man. Kudos to both of you. I love the Love pond.
Great conversation. Everything can be improved. '80 % of something is better than 100% of nothing. ' I find a Gabe Brown quote inspiring paraphrased. If I'm not failing in some of my small scale experiments I'm not pushing the boundaries enough for what is possible. Great vids! Cheers!
As a long-time permaculture designer, I'm so glad to have found this channel. I get so tired of people who claim to be practicing permaculture, but it's obvious they haven't followed the design principles. Even some people claim to be certified, & I have to conclude they had a terrible teacher. I was sooooo lucky with my main teachers, Peter Bane & Jerome Osentowski. I chose CRMPI because they were practicing in CO, where I live. Even so, they were so clear about observing the differences in locations, not just in macro-climate, but also micro. I also really appreciate your discussion about the 3rd ethic. It can be a tricky interpretation, & I too get frustrated by those who are able & lazy. ... and don't get me started on militant vegans... ugh...
I recently found your podcast! It's great! I find myself disagreeing with a whole lot but that is the beauty of it. You can say whatever and no one can censor it, no matter what they think. Keep doing what you are doing!
New to your channel, decided to check you out because Justin Metcalf recommended you guys. Never heard of premature before, after watching this video I would define as "Common Sense Homesteading"
Just subscribed yesterday and very impressed with your videos. Even more impressed with the young man you have raised. Look forward to all to come..Thanks.
It sounds like an HOA. I apologize if I sound ignorant, but I'm just learning from you. There should be no single person who tells you what you can do, or cannot do with what you do! Also, your son is a very intelligent and articulate young man. Keep doing what you are doing. ❤
Jennifer W goodness...you are absolutely correct that it is exactly like a HOA! What a perfect parallel. Thank you for the kind words and thank you for checking us out!
as far as defining permaculture ..a system of horticulture/gardening which turns the waste from one part of the system into food or fertility for another part of the garden ..to reduce or eliminate outside inputs and reduce the need for water use .
Can you expand on the proper use of hugelculture? I was going to put one in the back of my property because I have some downed wood and excess topsoil, but then thought I'm missing the element of water which is still needed to kick the system off. Thanks!
Oh Billy! I am new to all this. After listening, I believe in their prime directive but nothing else! We bought land that had been abused and I feel I need to heal it. I will follow anything that will help the land, but want nothing to do with the preaching people.
Found your channel by watching Jason and Sow the Land. I did my PDC with Lawton & PRI Australia about a decade back then spent time up at Mark Sheppard's farm learning his "STUN" methodology, and then closer to home learning from Salatin in Virginia. Since then I've observed numerous other people. I could talk permaculture all day long, but at the end of the day I've got a homestead and we've simply been trying to build a lifestyle for ourselves, grow clean food, and take care of our property...but I avoid dogmatism and strict ideology as best I humanly can. Good convo here y'all 👍👍..... oh, and subbed your channel ;)
Our livestock is as important to the equation as the honey bee's and other insects, but the truth is our livestock will not survive with out a market place, love your chanle and your life choices, keep up the great work.
" A holistic, integrated approach to life, esp. nature " ... idk, I haven't read the official def. in a while, nor have I been "in" it long, tho I've long been "close" , growing up on a farm ( WI dairy farm) & loving reading about homesteaders & more & more natural ways of doing things. But that phrase is one I might use. Then if asked, I'd say it's about working WITH nature & mimicking healthy natural systems. That it encompasses things like regen ag ( the most natural methods of that anyways) , organic growing etc. ( again, when done in working-with-nature, not fighting it, ways ) and etc. .
Billy, yer killing it with the fam. Grateful for you guys. Permaculture is just an in road to connectedness to land and Place.which leads to a sense of personal responsibility.
The last place I worked the plant manager picked one person from each dept and he was gonna teach us the Deming Method of business and then we were supposed to go back out in the plant and teach our fellow workers the method but I told him if I tell folks whose been doing their job one way for 40 years and I tell them to do it another way I said they will pick up a wrench and knock my head off
Since covid19 lockdown, I’ve been compulsively surfing homesteading channels (I never searched for “permaculture”). i never came across your channel till Jason interviewed you on Sow the Land. Add “homesteading” hashtag or keyword to your channel (if you haven’t already). Maybe the RUclips algorithm will show your channel more often? Peace ☮️ ✌🏽
Not that you need my agreement 😊 I am with you when you discuss the ethics of Permaculture. When you were discussing #3 (?) and surplus I was happy to hear yiur take. In building a strong permaculture I actually find it hard to identify surplus even in a productive season. As you manage YOUR permaculture you can always turn this "surplus" back into your land or animals. Feel free to donate or give it away but making your permaculture healthier or even expanding it by turnng the surplus back into your land I see as an absolute requrement.
I am in NO WAY a religious person, but I came to Permaculture feeling that the whole planet was the Garden of Eden and we screwed it up, that it was still right here beneath our feet if do the right things and stop doing the bad things, just align ourselves the right way again. I struggle to explain it but your "toolbox" kind of nails it a bit. The toolbox that includes the best horticultural (not agricultural) practices across the globe and across eons that allow us to repair the earth and live in abundance. That still doesn't cover it, but it's the best thing I've come up with for myself. But I just added your toolbox thought.
With regard to the "Militant Vegans", I would recommend 2 things: 1. Know your legal statutes regarding Trespassing and Post plenty of signs forbidding them. 2. My grand-father owned a farm and also owned shot-guns & plenty of rounds loaded with Rat Shot.
I worked in a Middle Eastern country, and everything was given to the citizens (not any of the emigrants who were working to support the citizenry). Their education, books, everything was given to them. Some of them still had work ethic, but mostly it had come to be expected. There is a word for that feeling, of course, but then, there was a huge waste of all this by those students.
Oh my goodness, I laughing watching this. Your making my brain work, and entertaining me at the same time. The genuine intelligent social commentary, embracing Permaculture and discussing its more contentious points. I really appreciated the analogy that plants are not vegan, as when you contemplate how brutal the real wilderness is, a kind farmer that lets his livestock live well, offers a gentler life than that of a creature in the wild.Fantastic post! You both are cracking me up!
The integration of multiple practices for the purpose of harmonizing flora and fauna to produce food abundance in a natural, balanced, and renewable fashion.
AMEN!!! AMEN!!! AMEN!! Great points!! Great minds think alike... (my brain is thinking like yours right now). AMEN on the vegan!!! God Bless you and yours... KEEP speaking truth!!! 82nd Airborne!!
Just found you guys. I love this channel. I'm right with you in your take on the ethics of permaculture. I have 28 acres and am starting out the same situation that you guys did. Two things off topic. 1. All The Way! I was an FO with 3/504 . 2. Are you a Lumbee?
Another great video and on a great topic. I did notice that William didn't have a chair as big as yours. Lol I know I'm new to this but I understood the population control as in the animals. I thought that it stood to mean that you cannot over graze the land or overload it. Fair Share reminds me of the story of the Little Red Hen. Nobody wanted to help except at the end... to eat the bread. Could you describe Perma-Culture as "Establishing a structured environment so as to bring balance to the ecosystem with the use of fauna and flora with METT-T influencing the outcome." Not sure if im even on point, but just ones thoughts.
You gotta love any definition that includes “METT-T”! In the designers manual, Mollison actually describes “population control“ as restrictions on human reproduction.
@@PermaPasturesFarm21 Oh ok, but like I said I'm new to all this. Lol. I had to explain METT-T to my wife as she's not up on the acronyms. Lol. She did say that she thinks I should wear my hair like William's... even though it's as short as yours. Lmao. Yeah, I'll get right on that one. Lol
We were a part of a community garden. 10% of us did the work out of the 100%. But those that didn't work, took more than their fair share. NOT going to have anyone tell me what to do on my 40 acres.
I think the "fair share" philosophy is more for smaller, tighter communities. Everyone knows each other, it's basically everyone in this self motivated circle of gifting each other, like the old potlatch practices of indigenous folks way back when.
hopechannelcat He’s way ahead of me on so many things and that makes me proud! I thank the Good Lord that he’s not content to sit in front of a TV or waste away playing a video game like so many others his age. Thank you for checking us out!
My idea is that my fair share is what I'm taking 100% responsibility for. 100% my work, my investment, my research, my time= my labors are mine to keep or give away as pleases me :)
New viewer. Like your views and agree with them. Binged watched most of your vids. Lol. Just a question on your pimp part of your intro. My daughter asked. Who you pimping?. Not the land because your giving and growing it. At 16 yrs, she knows what ipimp means.SMH. The struggle is real. It might turn some of your viewers off. Keep up the good work. Looking forward to every new vid.
N thank you for the kind and thoughtful response! You’re absolutely correct... that we will be turning off folks if I don’t do a better job of explaining things. The initial purpose of using “Permaculture P.I.M.P. Daddy” was to create an edgy appeal to knuckle head kids in the hood. At the same time I wanted to spin an awful word/concept into something worthwhile.
you can only get out of a system, what you put in. your statement of "well, it depends" is valid for most any endeavor. btw.. I am a militant omnivore and I support this message.
As a passionate newly minted PDC grad, who doesnt tend to fit in with most other more "Woke" Permies, youall are an inspiring AF breath of fresh air Permaculture needs to understand ,that if it is going to succeed, that it's focus on diversity within populations,and every critter having it's place, also applies to people with sociopolitical differences. You wouldnt grow only one type of plant in an ecosystem, so why do you only want only one kind of person as part of that system?! Folks need to seriously stop trying to ideologically monocrop our movement.
Problem with setting population bases on a set "number per" ( in the case of your cows on your land, example, acres ) - Like Joel Salatin has proven, with certain management, wayyyyy more cows per acre can thrive, than most people ( incl. stubborn neighbors ! ) think is possible ! If even his next door neighbors can doubt and etc. , I sure as H ain't gunna trust someone far away to know what our place can or can't support ! For example... . Anyways, I agree w y'all, and thanks ! And I've personally witnessed issues with things like free food, myself. Not that there's never a place for it, but the beauty of it being fairly direct ( between giver and recipient) & being of one's free will, u can decide not to give anymore to someone who wastes a ton of it, while spending $ on alcohol ( and no, not talking about an addict) and lot more I could say, by otherwise smart, educated & capable people who have a lot more expendable $ , health, time & energy than I did !
Permaculture is not dogmatic. The principles are basically the answer to dealing with our excess or the problem. The solution or design is put through earth care, people care, and redistribution of resources through filters to guide decisions. A problem with garbage may find that we have a soil deficiency in zone 1-5. We may decide to put a worm bin in zone 2-3 for convenience and put our garbage as worm food. That's just one example. Simple small steps.
Is there any permaculture training resource out there where ALL frameworks,design techniques and natural soil building methods you know are properly covered and they teach them in depth?
neti neti i’m not sure there’s any single comprehensive resource that covers everything. If you get a permaculture design certificate it will set your feet in the right direction to find just about any information you’re searching for.
neti neti it doesn’t. It gives you a base framework to better understand the deeper methods. I’m not aware of a free way to access the information you’re looking for outside of you tube.
@@PermaPasturesFarm21 Then such a course is mostly useless investment,empty paper you receive that shows you learned basically nothing. Is as if you pay to become a surgeon but you never get info on how to finish any of your surgeries...because we have a new shiny training at the end that will teach you how to do it...and it's done over the course of a couple of more years...you know just to suck up more money from you just because we can.That's how permaculture courses are for me if you need to search out every expert and do their course to get the shiny new toy,shiny new technique that only they posses. and the other permaculture teacher is using antiquated info.Teachers should unite efforts and teach the same curriculum,they should be too busy to create world class permaculture designers that get all the up to date info when they sign up FOR ONE COURSE.They should be preoccupied with creating real change and less about selling more courses,creating experts that can do any job be it desert regeneration or just your average self sustainable garden to feed your family all year round.If people are too preoccupied with fear of missing out on some new development the less effective they are at implementing more projects,creating more impact.Paywall after paywall,course after course...when the real effort should be on giving everyone the most comprehensive education possible so any permaculturist can do the job of any other permaculturist.It's about creating a huge number of people that are all knowing everything that Geoff Lawton knows or what every other permaculture guru knows and they can create individually the most impact they can...because permaculture is still a nice niche that won't replace mainstream agriculture anytime soon...because permaculture gurus are too busy selling courses and not creating more experts that can easily have access to any info that will help them implement their design depending of the region particularities combined with all their accumulated world class knowledge.
I have searched thru about 10 channels trying to learn the basics of permaculture. Now I have found the people that I would like to learn from. I love the idea of improving my land and the earth in general and increasing my ability to harness the bounty of the it while doing so. But I was turned off to all the leftist ideology that seems to come along with it from most sources I've found. Y'all's libertarian perspective on these issues are very refreshing. Please keep documenting what your doing and you will have a sub from me. Thanks guys
I can’t begin to tell you how thankful I am for your response! I suspected more liberty minded folks that would be interested in permaculture...if it were presented in a more pragmatic way and without the leftist nonsense.
@@PermaPasturesFarm21 Keep it up guys you should be very proud of what you are doing. You have a beautiful property and a wonderful family. I look forward to learning all I can from y'all. Are you on any alt-tech platforms incase you were to get booted from the toob? I would absolutely suggest brighteon(dot)com. You guys would fit right in over there and find an enthusiastic following I imagine. Mike Adams runs that site and he's a great patriot. You could speak freely instead of having to censor yourself to keep the big tech algorithm and goon squad off your back
@@joshuamcconnell7918 i’m a big fan of Mike Adams. I listen to his podcast almost every day. I think we tried Brighteon and had lots of troubles trying to upload. So far we have everything duplicated on Rumble because I know it’s just a matter of time before we get deplatformed here.
Permaculture is a shortening of permanent agriculture. The basic idea was plant once harvest forever. Everything else was added to this concept, thus confusing the term. The idea that a "culture" was developing came later, as a natural development, but... The simple, elegant definition you seek already exists. Permaculture is permanent agriculture.
"Let's put the permaculture over there." 😂 I loved that. It's definitely a lifestyle and mentality, not something you can just put in certain spots or aspects of your life. This was a really informative video. There was a lot to the social aspect of permaculture that I wasn't aware of that really surprised me. It seems like for people to work so hard to provide their own food, they'd value the right to keep it rather than redistribute it to people who aren't putting in the hard work they are! As far as keeping down the population, it seems like if all food was grown this way, there would be ample food supplies and less starvation, so it would be an amazing thing for the world- not a tool to use against people. Very strange philosophies. Also, on the animal rights end, your assessment that veganism is a religion is spot on. I have a number of vegan friends, and their veganism is definitely something they strive to convert people to regularly. But, you brought up the way in which animals are raised in this system, which is such an important consideration for me. I found those PETA videos on factory farms very compelling in college, but their living conditions are nothing like you or I are raising our animals. They're living good lives in their most natural state, and I love being a part of that. Interestingly, I recently did a google search on PETA and pasture raised animals, and found (unsurprisingly) that they give no credit to that method, and rather discredited it by suggesting that any products marked as cage free, humane raised, pasture raised, etc. are propaganda, not reality. We're doing it in our backyard, so I couldn't believe they had the audacity to discredit what we're doing day to day. Love the dialogue between you and your son and hearing his perspective on things. You're raising him well!
Bill himself revised the third ethic to “return of surplus to the first two” if you look at “introduction to permaculture “ which came out after the designers manual. The “fair share” and “future care” versions I think are mostly intended to be a catchy version when you say it but neither one get to the core of the third ethic. “Return of surplus” will require an explanation just like the word permaculture. But I think it should. It’s the hoarding of resources and the promotion that such a life is the goal that is a major factor in why we as a society have continued to foul our own nest. I don’t think “setting limits to population” was ever intended to be a direct action. It’s more of a corollary to sensible design and lifestyle based on nature’s laws. Geoff Lawton frequently mentions the “biological effect” as the principal behind fertility. Basically a species that feels threatened will produce more offspring. In plants you can see it in a regularly mowed lawn, the plants will go to flower and set seed much faster than if allowed to grow. In humans an impoverished and developing nation will have far more children than a rich and comfortable one.
One guy once said that my cat was a slave since I could decide over it's life. I argued that the cat had free food and housing plus free veterinary care indefinitley and if the cat didn't like it, it could just pack up and leave whenever it felt like it. The cat came home every night though and the crazy vegan didn't change his mind until he wanted to adopt a dog.
I started to ponder a basic definition of permaculture but found that it’s impossible. There are so many variables and relationships encompassed in my understanding of permaculture. It maximizes some things while mitigating others. Consideration is given to every aspect of a given site. Interrelationships both positive and negative that require attention. I could go on to include several more points, which support my assertion that Permaculture would be difficult to summarize in a few short sentences. It’s a move away from past farming principles which have led to soil infertility, chemical fertilizers and pest/weed control, massive capital investments in structures and implements. If I had to summarize it in one sentence, that would be: Permaculture means fixing a broken system of agriculture that will eventually fail.
I have been ridiculed for years by locals, that feel I am cruel to my horses cause they don't get locked up in a barn every night, and I don't put blankets on them when it hits 0 degrees.. I treat my horses like family, but they live like God intended for horses to live. They have the ability to roam all day and graze at their leisure. They are able to use thermoregulation to keep warm in the winter and cool in the summer. They eat all kinds of vegitation from grass to rose bushes and tree bark. They even lick the dirt by the rose bushes to deworm themselves. They are the most content and happy horses around, but I am the crazy one right, lol.
My definition of Permaculture is a WHOLEalistic approach to agriculture. Where each part contributes to the whole, and each part helps the others work. You also have to use some common sense in applying the principals to your specific situation.
You guys are really great. I think I align pretty closely philosophically/politically, from what I've seen so far at least. As a side note, I was watching a previous video earlier with my gosling, and she kept making noise whenever you guys were onscreen. She might be racist...
Permaculture equates to permanent culture. Inasmuch as its principles can be successfully applied to every aspect of human activity. This often leads to seemingly contradictory positions such as embracing private property rights and free trade while despising and seeking to destroy capitalism. Again, this only seems like a contradiction on the surface. It all depends…
Fun video. I think you are under no particular obligation to share your bounty with anyone, with the exception that the OT clearly defines one's giving in terms of allowing the poor and destitute to "glean your fields." You reap what you sow, but there is always some left for those who have need. Unfortunately, some farmers have tried and had their fields ravaged by fools.
Lol I love it my saying is don’t bring any trouble and there won’t be any I am a meat eater and raise my own meat they only have 1 bad second of their happy lives and feed my family.
Agreed. In principle, Fair Share seems a good thing; but as you point out, in practice; it inevitably becomes hijacked by people and ideologies to justify trampling on people's freedom and unilaterally taking what they care to without permission in the name of egalitarianism. It becomes a means to reward cronyism, mindless compliance, groupthink, and ideological 'purity'. It becomes a means to avoid accountability by the political class for the results of the policies driven by moral posturing and not actual improvements to the quality of life for a nation's citizens. Return the surplus is ok; but don't try to dictate to me how it is returned.
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My personal, non-elegant definition of Permaculture is the ethical farming, ranching and environmental restoration of one's personal property - I prefer to leave the statist, communistic nonsense out of it. How I choose to engage in charity and/or bartering of any overages of my property is nobody's business but mine. It's important to be charitable; charity by demand or force isn't charity
Glen S amen to that!
I must ask; how did you come to this wisdom?
I’m curious, what does communism have to do with permaculture? Like communes? Statism? Would you care to expand? I agree 100% with your definition, but the rest of your comment seems a bit unnecessarily emotionally charged. I’m curious as to what ideology or statism has to do with permaculture?
@@diegom6085 Look at the historical Chinese model. The socialist/communist influence kept the farmers poor but would not permit them to keep their own crops or own their land. Not until Deng Xiaoping were there any opportunities for the farmers. On a larger scale, I believe what he’s saying is keep government out of the way. This method of sustainable agriculture doesn’t require legislators over-legislating because of financial interests from Big Ag, militant, misinformed vegans and other bleeding hearts. The lazy, judgmental hypocrites. There is a food crisis worldwide, fresh water shortage and depletion of nutrients in our soil. Permaculture considers and offers solutions to improve all such issues.
Well said !!!
Man yall are so spot on about this stuff. It's like the wood chip method doesn't work here in North Alabama because of several different reasons. There are many different ways of gardening. All will work it's just what works in your area.
Catching up on some old videos, wow a year ago and it's only gotten worse. Funny how many think you do the work I get the goods. You both are still spot on.
Very helpful for an older person just learning. Good info!
You must be so proud of your son! A young man that can think with reason and for himself!
SLFYSH the Good Lord truly blessed us with him!
@@PermaPasturesFarm21 and you should tell him some of your subs thinks he's absolutely gorgeous.
So glad I went back and caught this conversation. This challenged me to push forward with our plans on our land for our future. THANK YOU!
Good talk! I get the comment all the time, “ that’s to much work “. I appreciate the time you took to explain this topic. I’ve found there is no argument with the results. When we can show proven results people will come asking “How did you do this?” One of the most helpful tips I would give a beginner is break up the property into manageable pieces and try to “hold ground “ there, then move out from there. Create a guild or island then connect them over time.
Conrad Homestead I couldn’t think of a better advice myself!
Or they'll show up thinking they are entitled to what we have produced because they are human and hungry.
So true. And if you've put in the hard work you understand how much work it can save into the future. Front load it right and you've served a generation.
What a breath of fresh air! How have I missed this channel for so long? That won't happen again! Excellent!😊❤🙏
Thank you so much!
Years ago I got interested in permaculture but due to one of the points you made, the fact that so many fringe people become the voice of permaculture, I pulled away from it. It took years and seeing that there was more to it than environmentalists, vegans and hippies for me to give it a second look. Now I realize I had done the "Baby out with the bath water" thing.
mcmillanfarms I nearly did the same thing myself...for the same reason.
I just started watching your channel. I love the content so far, but my comment is on your rocker. It totally brought tears. My mom had one identical to yours my entire life. I lost her 13yrs ago & I don't know where that rocker went. But your porch vlog sure did bring back some amazing memories. Thankyou. that's all.
Our Way Farm sorry to hear about your mom and her rocker but it does warm my heart to hear that our porch creates fond memories for you!
Thank you for taking the time out of your day to reach out!
Permaculture is like architecture for the land. Designing multiple bio systems to work in harmony. (Says the architect who bought a farm). We are working with a permaculture designer to get started. Hope we will be where you are by next year.
came over from Sow The Land and bam, a great informative video! Nice to meet you!
Found you through, " Sow The Land". Highly impressed with how you are doing things there and although we probably have differing perspectives in some areas, to me it is inconsequential, as your willingness to share your wealth of acquired knowledge and expertise is invaluable, and I'm happy to have found you! ❤
I'm a new veiwer of this channel, came from sow the land❤️💛💚 I love the mentality of you and your family especially your son. Been learning a lot of botany and permaculture for a bout 3-4 years now and love the content I have seen so far on the channel. I'm a huge libertarian and love what y'all are doing with your property and y'all's time. I look forward to seeing the great progress y'all make and to learn a lot. Ty for all that y'all do!
Awesome to make your acquaintance! There are very few of us libertarians in the permaculture world that’s for sure!
I really like your ideas. Good explanations
Many thanks!
So glad you were on deep south's channel today so I could learn of your channel. Absolutely love this discussion! God bless you
Thank you so much for the blessings of your kind words my friend! Welcome!
im learning so much about permaculture. I am a product designer and technologist, but always had a desire to use design & technology to help humanity. I got into solar, then expanded into botany & agriculture.
Permaculture to me - is regenerative agriculture, is sustainability, is design and in essence art of feng shui. Im trying to research the negatives too, but It is so amazing :)
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I think the verbiage of the word permaculture should only indicate the design philosophy and methodology - and not be treated as if it is a governing law
Owners of the land get to decided the rules.
Your speaking of the common-sense ( plus experience, knowledge ) application of the permaculture "details" ( to quote Mark) reminds me of what Mark Shepard gets passionate about ;) . He and Richard Perkins are pretty great for covering that.
I just stumbled across your channel, and this video made me hit that subscribe button! Glad to see some real talk about the self righteous attitude that creeps around in the society of permaculture (and society at large). Y'all are awesome!
Awesome! Thank you!
To me, permaculture implies a holistic approach to stewardship of the land. Not "use" of the land because that makes it sound like you're simply there to take what you can until the land is used up.
I’ll give it a shot. Permaculture is tending to your family, animals and land with your ethical self interest as the greatest moral directive.
Dan Obrien simply brilliant in my view! The only hole someone might poke into that elegant definition is that there’s no mention of mimicking nature.
Perma Pastures Farm You Sir , and all humans when ethically behaved are nature at its finest.
I think I heard of something like this in a "Gulch"....?
Michael Mealy Hello Commander my friend . Please like share and subscribe to my PIMP friends channel .PIMP means Permaculture is my passion lol.
@@danobrien2616 POWER to the PIMPles, all the PIMPles.
I was watching Amazing Polly and was led here....go figure...
That was an absolutely fascinating discussion. I suspect the challenge in defining permaculture stems from how broad the concept is. IMO it's a bit like defining Physics. There are many definitions but, unless you have at least a basic understanding of the topic, they'll probably leave you with more questions than answers.
Defining physics is the perfect parallel I think!
Awesome! You guys are speaking to my soul! I think about permaculture as Client Needs, Terrain/Climate Realities, and Profitabilty. In my situation, I’m building a sustainable neighborhood on a really great investment property.
As a capitalist, I really believe that sustainability is the most profitable system for property investors and managers. If every investment property could be producing food during the holding phase and then build the neighborhood to maximize long term food production, we could dramatically improve our supply chains. Should be closing on this property near Augusta, GA in about a month and can’t wait to share how we do this!
Jeanne Whitaker That sounds totally awesome and innovative! Please let me know how things unfold.
Perma Pastures Farm will do!
Excellent video. Thanks for the viewpoint and information. My permaculture definition; Through environmental observation and using those observations to work with nature (plants,animals, microorganisms, light, wind, rain, etc) to make life easier and regenerate the environment under your control.
Very valid points! It occurred to me that the most effective tool in people care is teaching people to take care of themselves. As a society, we've moved a long way in the opposite direction.
But I remember Geoff Lawton saying he never went anywhere he wasn't invited. I thought that was a good lesson. Help, but value your own time, effort and sanity. When people see what you can accomplish with permaculture, to whatever level it can be implemented in a specific location, the impact and interest is much greater than words could convey.
I'll be following along to see where your journey takes you. Thanks for sharing.
I am so glad I found you guys. I have been watching your videos for days. So refreshing to find people that believe in this kind of farming but are "normal" lol. I found your channel because I am trying to create a sustainable kitchen garden. I would consider my self more of a prepper than a farmer. Just want my husband and I to have better quality food options. Thank you so much. Also that son of yours is an amazing young man. Kudos to both of you. I love the Love pond.
Great conversation. Everything can be improved. '80 % of something is better than 100% of nothing. '
I find a Gabe Brown quote inspiring paraphrased. If I'm not failing in some of my small scale experiments I'm not pushing the boundaries enough for what is possible.
Great vids! Cheers!
Garden of Weed'n many thanks!
As a long-time permaculture designer, I'm so glad to have found this channel. I get so tired of people who claim to be practicing permaculture, but it's obvious they haven't followed the design principles. Even some people claim to be certified, & I have to conclude they had a terrible teacher. I was sooooo lucky with my main teachers, Peter Bane & Jerome Osentowski. I chose CRMPI because they were practicing in CO, where I live. Even so, they were so clear about observing the differences in locations, not just in macro-climate, but also micro.
I also really appreciate your discussion about the 3rd ethic. It can be a tricky interpretation, & I too get frustrated by those who are able & lazy.
... and don't get me started on militant vegans... ugh...
I recently found your podcast! It's great! I find myself disagreeing with a whole lot but that is the beauty of it. You can say whatever and no one can censor it, no matter what they think. Keep doing what you are doing!
New to your channel, decided to check you out because Justin Metcalf recommended you guys. Never heard of premature before, after watching this video I would define as "Common Sense Homesteading"
I couldn’t have said it better myself!
Just subscribed yesterday and very impressed with your videos. Even more impressed with the young man you have raised. Look forward to all to come..Thanks.
So happy I found your channel! Great discussion.
It sounds like an HOA. I apologize if I sound ignorant, but I'm just learning from you. There should be no single person who tells you what you can do, or cannot do with what you do!
Also, your son is a very intelligent and articulate young man. Keep doing what you are doing. ❤
Jennifer W goodness...you are absolutely correct that it is exactly like a HOA! What a perfect parallel.
Thank you for the kind words and thank you for checking us out!
as far as defining permaculture ..a system of horticulture/gardening which turns the waste from one part of the system into food or fertility for another part of the garden ..to reduce or eliminate outside inputs and reduce the need for water use .
Can you expand on the proper use of hugelculture? I was going to put one in the back of my property because I have some downed wood and excess topsoil, but then thought I'm missing the element of water which is still needed to kick the system off. Thanks!
It sounds like you have a proper use my friend!
@@PermaPasturesFarm21 excellent! I'm using it as an educational element on our property as well as for beauty and edge around a hipcamp location
Oh Billy! I am new to all this. After listening, I believe in their prime directive but nothing else! We bought land that had been abused and I feel I need to heal it. I will follow anything that will help the land, but want nothing to do with the preaching people.
Found your channel by watching Jason and Sow the Land. I did my PDC with Lawton & PRI Australia about a decade back then spent time up at Mark Sheppard's farm learning his "STUN" methodology, and then closer to home learning from Salatin in Virginia. Since then I've observed numerous other people. I could talk permaculture all day long, but at the end of the day I've got a homestead and we've simply been trying to build a lifestyle for ourselves, grow clean food, and take care of our property...but I avoid dogmatism and strict ideology as best I humanly can. Good convo here y'all 👍👍..... oh, and subbed your channel ;)
I heard one time to Love your neighbor as your self…seems like that would be permaculture distribution…and y’all do that better than I ever seen..
Same for you brother!
Lol. Already made all these mistakes trying to learn permaculture in a new environment all on my own!! But i have learned soooooo much!!
Our livestock is as important to the equation as the honey bee's and other insects, but the truth is our livestock will not survive with out a market place, love your chanle and your life choices, keep up the great work.
I've never watched a RUclips video where someone brings up Milton Friedman and Geoff Lawton in the same video, I love it!
Thanks a million my friend!
" A holistic, integrated approach to life, esp. nature " ... idk, I haven't read the official def. in a while, nor have I been "in" it long, tho I've long been "close" , growing up on a farm ( WI dairy farm) & loving reading about homesteaders & more & more natural ways of doing things. But that phrase is one I might use. Then if asked, I'd say it's about working WITH nature & mimicking healthy natural systems. That it encompasses things like regen ag ( the most natural methods of that anyways) , organic growing etc. ( again, when done in working-with-nature, not fighting it, ways ) and etc. .
Billy, yer killing it with the fam. Grateful for you guys. Permaculture is just an in road to connectedness to land and Place.which leads to a sense of personal responsibility.
Fair share is about giving a hoot about your neighbor and the effect your management has on their resources.
Millison has a good video on the Hawaiian systems.and what fair share is supposed to be. Water and water quality is at the center.
Came over from sow the land 😁
Danielle Terry thank you very much!
The last place I worked the plant manager picked one person from each dept and he was gonna teach us the Deming Method of business and then we were supposed to go back out in the plant and teach our fellow workers the method but I told him if I tell folks whose been doing their job one way for 40 years and I tell them to do it another way I said they will pick up a wrench and knock my head off
Since covid19 lockdown, I’ve been compulsively surfing homesteading channels (I never searched for “permaculture”). i never came across your channel till Jason interviewed you on Sow the Land. Add “homesteading” hashtag or keyword to your channel (if you haven’t already). Maybe the RUclips algorithm will show your channel more often? Peace ☮️ ✌🏽
Am I not merciful ? Thanks so much for the tip! I’ll get right on it.
Not that you need my agreement 😊 I am with you when you discuss the ethics of Permaculture. When you were discussing #3 (?) and surplus I was happy to hear yiur take. In building a strong permaculture I actually find it hard to identify surplus even in a productive season. As you manage YOUR permaculture you can always turn this "surplus" back into your land or animals. Feel free to donate or give it away but making your permaculture healthier or even expanding it by turnng the surplus back into your land I see as an absolute requrement.
T Morgan right on!
I am in NO WAY a religious person, but I came to Permaculture feeling that the whole planet was the Garden of Eden and we screwed it up, that it was still right here beneath our feet if do the right things and stop doing the bad things, just align ourselves the right way again. I struggle to explain it but your "toolbox" kind of nails it a bit. The toolbox that includes the best horticultural (not agricultural) practices across the globe and across eons that allow us to repair the earth and live in abundance. That still doesn't cover it, but it's the best thing I've come up with for myself. But I just added your toolbox thought.
With regard to the "Militant Vegans", I would recommend 2 things: 1. Know your legal statutes regarding Trespassing and Post plenty of signs forbidding them. 2. My grand-father owned a farm and also owned shot-guns & plenty of rounds loaded with Rat Shot.
I really enjoyed this. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
I worked in a Middle Eastern country, and everything was given to the citizens (not any of the emigrants who were working to support the citizenry). Their education, books, everything was given to them. Some of them still had work ethic, but mostly it had come to be expected. There is a word for that feeling, of course, but then, there was a huge waste of all this by those students.
Oh my goodness, I laughing watching this. Your making my brain work, and entertaining me at the same time. The genuine intelligent social commentary, embracing Permaculture and discussing its more contentious points. I really appreciated the analogy that plants are not vegan, as when you contemplate how brutal the real wilderness is, a kind farmer that lets his livestock live well, offers a gentler life than that of a creature in the wild.Fantastic post! You both are cracking me up!
Love your content! I am curious what PDC you took? We just bought 5 acres in Western WA and are diving into permaculture.
Thank you so much! I took my first PDC at School of Permaculture in Texas and then Geoff Lawton’s online PDC.
Best wishes!
The integration of multiple practices for the purpose of harmonizing flora and fauna to produce food abundance in a natural, balanced, and renewable fashion.
AMEN!!! AMEN!!! AMEN!! Great points!! Great minds think alike... (my brain is thinking like yours right now). AMEN on the vegan!!! God Bless you and yours... KEEP speaking truth!!! 82nd Airborne!!
Charlese Brown thank you for the kind words and thank you for watching! ALL THE WAY!
Just found you guys. I love this channel. I'm right with you in your take on the ethics of permaculture. I have 28 acres and am starting out the same situation that you guys did. Two things off topic. 1. All The Way! I was an FO with 3/504 . 2. Are you a Lumbee?
I needed 10 years of experimentation and experience along with lots of reading and observation before I did permaculture for hire.
Another great video and on a great topic. I did notice that William didn't have a chair as big as yours. Lol
I know I'm new to this but I understood the population control as in the animals. I thought that it stood to mean that you cannot over graze the land or overload it.
Fair Share reminds me of the story of the Little Red Hen. Nobody wanted to help except at the end... to eat the bread.
Could you describe Perma-Culture as "Establishing a structured environment so as to bring balance to the ecosystem with the use of fauna and flora with METT-T influencing the outcome." Not sure if im even on point, but just ones thoughts.
You gotta love any definition that includes “METT-T”!
In the designers manual, Mollison actually describes “population control“ as restrictions on human reproduction.
@@PermaPasturesFarm21 Oh ok, but like I said I'm new to all this. Lol. I had to explain METT-T to my wife as she's not up on the acronyms. Lol. She did say that she thinks I should wear my hair like William's... even though it's as short as yours. Lmao. Yeah, I'll get right on that one. Lol
We were a part of a community garden. 10% of us did the work out of the 100%. But those that didn't work, took more than their fair share. NOT going to have anyone tell me what to do on my 40 acres.
I think the "fair share" philosophy is more for smaller, tighter communities. Everyone knows each other, it's basically everyone in this self motivated circle of gifting each other, like the old potlatch practices of indigenous folks way back when.
Really enjoy listening to you guys.
Thank you!
a world of information. it's good to see your son with as much knowledge as well
hopechannelcat He’s way ahead of me on so many things and that makes me proud! I thank the Good Lord that he’s not content to sit in front of a TV or waste away playing a video game like so many others his age.
Thank you for checking us out!
My idea is that my fair share is what I'm taking 100% responsibility for. 100% my work, my investment, my research, my time= my labors are mine to keep or give away as pleases me :)
I love the way you think!
New viewer. Like your views and agree with them. Binged watched most of your vids. Lol. Just a question on your pimp part of your intro. My daughter asked. Who you pimping?. Not the land because your giving and growing it. At 16 yrs, she knows what ipimp means.SMH. The struggle is real. It might turn some of your viewers off. Keep up the good work. Looking forward to every new vid.
N thank you for the kind and thoughtful response!
You’re absolutely correct... that we will be turning off folks if I don’t do a better job of explaining things.
The initial purpose of using “Permaculture P.I.M.P. Daddy” was to create an edgy appeal to knuckle head kids in the hood. At the same time I wanted to spin an awful word/concept into something worthwhile.
I’ve been doing this with my small flock lot of work but enjoying it and don’t need a gym. How does air get into your tractor?
Betty Turley the corrugated paneling provides more than enough air flow through the sides and top.
Thanks for watching!
Perma Pastures Farm didn’t think of that
you can only get out of a system, what you put in. your statement of "well, it depends" is valid for most any endeavor. btw.. I am a militant omnivore and I support this message.
Mark Waddey love it!
As a passionate newly minted PDC grad, who doesnt tend to fit in with most other more "Woke" Permies, youall are an inspiring AF breath of fresh air
Permaculture needs to understand ,that if it is going to succeed, that it's focus on diversity within populations,and every critter having it's place, also applies to people with sociopolitical differences. You wouldnt grow only one type of plant in an ecosystem, so why do you only want only one kind of person as part of that system?!
Folks need to seriously stop trying to ideologically monocrop our movement.
Problem with setting population bases on a set "number per" ( in the case of your cows on your land, example, acres ) - Like Joel Salatin has proven, with certain management, wayyyyy more cows per acre can thrive, than most people ( incl. stubborn neighbors ! ) think is possible ! If even his next door neighbors can doubt and etc. , I sure as H ain't gunna trust someone far away to know what our place can or can't support ! For example... . Anyways, I agree w y'all, and thanks ! And I've personally witnessed issues with things like free food, myself. Not that there's never a place for it, but the beauty of it being fairly direct ( between giver and recipient) & being of one's free will, u can decide not to give anymore to someone who wastes a ton of it, while spending $ on alcohol ( and no, not talking about an addict) and lot more I could say, by otherwise smart, educated & capable people who have a lot more expendable $ , health, time & energy than I did !
"It all depends..."
This is expressing the idea that you operate from principles; not checklists of detailed things.
Permaculture is not dogmatic. The principles are basically the answer to dealing with our excess or the problem. The solution or design is put through earth care, people care, and redistribution of resources through filters to guide decisions. A problem with garbage may find that we have a soil deficiency in zone 1-5. We may decide to put a worm bin in zone 2-3 for convenience and put our garbage as worm food. That's just one example. Simple small steps.
Is there any permaculture training resource out there where ALL frameworks,design techniques and natural soil building methods you know are properly covered and they teach them in depth?
neti neti i’m not sure there’s any single comprehensive resource that covers everything. If you get a permaculture design certificate it will set your feet in the right direction to find just about any information you’re searching for.
@@PermaPasturesFarm21 And how will the certificate give me FREE access to all other info from permaculture innovators?
neti neti it doesn’t. It gives you a base framework to better understand the deeper methods. I’m not aware of a free way to access the information you’re looking for outside of you tube.
@@PermaPasturesFarm21 Then such a course is mostly useless investment,empty paper you receive that shows you learned basically nothing. Is as if you pay to become a surgeon but you never get info on how to finish any of your surgeries...because we have a new shiny training at the end that will teach you how to do it...and it's done over the course of a couple of more years...you know just to suck up more money from you just because we can.That's how permaculture courses are for me if you need to search out every expert and do their course to get the shiny new toy,shiny new technique that only they posses. and the other permaculture teacher is using antiquated info.Teachers should unite efforts and teach the same curriculum,they should be too busy to create world class permaculture designers that get all the up to date info when they sign up FOR ONE COURSE.They should be preoccupied with creating real change and less about selling more courses,creating experts that can do any job be it desert regeneration or just your average self sustainable garden to feed your family all year round.If people are too preoccupied with fear of missing out on some new development the less effective they are at implementing more projects,creating more impact.Paywall after paywall,course after course...when the real effort should be on giving everyone the most comprehensive education possible so any permaculturist can do the job of any other permaculturist.It's about creating a huge number of people that are all knowing everything that Geoff Lawton knows or what every other permaculture guru knows and they can create individually the most impact they can...because permaculture is still a nice niche that won't replace mainstream agriculture anytime soon...because permaculture gurus are too busy selling courses and not creating more experts that can easily have access to any info that will help them implement their design depending of the region particularities combined with all their accumulated world class knowledge.
@@encapsulatio yawn
I have searched thru about 10 channels trying to learn the basics of permaculture. Now I have found the people that I would like to learn from. I love the idea of improving my land and the earth in general and increasing my ability to harness the bounty of the it while doing so. But I was turned off to all the leftist ideology that seems to come along with it from most sources I've found. Y'all's libertarian perspective on these issues are very refreshing. Please keep documenting what your doing and you will have a sub from me. Thanks guys
I can’t begin to tell you how thankful I am for your response! I suspected more liberty minded folks that would be interested in permaculture...if it were presented in a more pragmatic way and without the leftist nonsense.
@@PermaPasturesFarm21 Keep it up guys you should be very proud of what you are doing. You have a beautiful property and a wonderful family. I look forward to learning all I can from y'all.
Are you on any alt-tech platforms incase you were to get booted from the toob?
I would absolutely suggest brighteon(dot)com. You guys would fit right in over there and find an enthusiastic following I imagine. Mike Adams runs that site and he's a great patriot. You could speak freely instead of having to censor yourself to keep the big tech algorithm and goon squad off your back
@@joshuamcconnell7918 i’m a big fan of Mike Adams. I listen to his podcast almost every day. I think we tried Brighteon and had lots of troubles trying to upload. So far we have everything duplicated on Rumble because I know it’s just a matter of time before we get deplatformed here.
Permaculture is a shortening of permanent agriculture. The basic idea was plant once harvest forever. Everything else was added to this concept, thus confusing the term. The idea that a "culture" was developing came later, as a natural development, but...
The simple, elegant definition you seek already exists. Permaculture is permanent agriculture.
"Let's put the permaculture over there." 😂 I loved that. It's definitely a lifestyle and mentality, not something you can just put in certain spots or aspects of your life.
This was a really informative video. There was a lot to the social aspect of permaculture that I wasn't aware of that really surprised me. It seems like for people to work so hard to provide their own food, they'd value the right to keep it rather than redistribute it to people who aren't putting in the hard work they are! As far as keeping down the population, it seems like if all food was grown this way, there would be ample food supplies and less starvation, so it would be an amazing thing for the world- not a tool to use against people. Very strange philosophies.
Also, on the animal rights end, your assessment that veganism is a religion is spot on. I have a number of vegan friends, and their veganism is definitely something they strive to convert people to regularly. But, you brought up the way in which animals are raised in this system, which is such an important consideration for me. I found those PETA videos on factory farms very compelling in college, but their living conditions are nothing like you or I are raising our animals. They're living good lives in their most natural state, and I love being a part of that. Interestingly, I recently did a google search on PETA and pasture raised animals, and found (unsurprisingly) that they give no credit to that method, and rather discredited it by suggesting that any products marked as cage free, humane raised, pasture raised, etc. are propaganda, not reality. We're doing it in our backyard, so I couldn't believe they had the audacity to discredit what we're doing day to day.
Love the dialogue between you and your son and hearing his perspective on things. You're raising him well!
Living Quite Simply I thoroughly enjoy your responses! What a blessing you are!
Bill himself revised the third ethic to “return of surplus to the first two” if you look at “introduction to permaculture “ which came out after the designers manual. The “fair share” and “future care” versions I think are mostly intended to be a catchy version when you say it but neither one get to the core of the third ethic. “Return of surplus” will require an explanation just like the word permaculture. But I think it should. It’s the hoarding of resources and the promotion that such a life is the goal that is a major factor in why we as a society have continued to foul our own nest. I don’t think “setting limits to population” was ever intended to be a direct action. It’s more of a corollary to sensible design and lifestyle based on nature’s laws.
Geoff Lawton frequently mentions the “biological effect” as the principal behind fertility. Basically a species that feels threatened will produce more offspring. In plants you can see it in a regularly mowed lawn, the plants will go to flower and set seed much faster than if allowed to grow. In humans an impoverished and developing nation will have far more children than a rich and comfortable one.
One guy once said that my cat was a slave since I could decide over it's life. I argued that the cat had free food and housing plus free veterinary care indefinitley and if the cat didn't like it, it could just pack up and leave whenever it felt like it. The cat came home every night though and the crazy vegan didn't change his mind until he wanted to adopt a dog.
I truly admire what you’re doing on that piece of property
Really appreciate this video and sharing.
I tell people that permaculture is working with nature instead of against it.
I started to ponder a basic definition of permaculture but found that it’s impossible. There are so many variables and relationships encompassed in my understanding of permaculture. It maximizes some things while mitigating others. Consideration is given to every aspect of a given site. Interrelationships both positive and negative that require attention.
I could go on to include several more points, which support my assertion that Permaculture would be difficult to summarize in a few short sentences. It’s a move away from past farming principles which have led to soil infertility, chemical fertilizers and pest/weed control, massive capital investments in structures and implements.
If I had to summarize it in one sentence, that would be: Permaculture means fixing a broken system of agriculture that will eventually fail.
I think it’s pretty impossible to summarize Permaculture in a single sentence.
@@PermaPasturesFarm21 If it could be, It would surely be a very long sentence!
Love this channel‼️
I have been ridiculed for years by locals, that feel I am cruel to my horses cause they don't get locked up in a barn every night, and I don't put blankets on them when it hits 0 degrees.. I treat my horses like family, but they live like God intended for horses to live. They have the ability to roam all day and graze at their leisure. They are able to use thermoregulation to keep warm in the winter and cool in the summer. They eat all kinds of vegitation from grass to rose bushes and tree bark. They even lick the dirt by the rose bushes to deworm themselves. They are the most content and happy horses around, but I am the crazy one right, lol.
My definition of Permaculture is a WHOLEalistic approach to agriculture. Where each part contributes to the whole, and each part helps the others work. You also have to use some common sense in applying the principals to your specific situation.
My father used to say " When the ship hits the sand.
HEY! OUR PLANTS ARE NOT VEGAN EITHER! LOVED THAT!!!
Thank you 😊
Kinda funny this is the first time this video has popped up for me!! 2 years later!!
You guys are really great. I think I align pretty closely philosophically/politically, from what I've seen so far at least. As a side note, I was watching a previous video earlier with my gosling, and she kept making noise whenever you guys were onscreen. She might be racist...
Ha ha!
Permaculture equates to permanent culture. Inasmuch as its principles can be successfully applied to every aspect of human activity. This often leads to seemingly contradictory positions such as embracing private property rights and free trade while despising and seeking to destroy capitalism. Again, this only seems like a contradiction on the surface. It all depends…
what about self sufficient nature requiring nurture
Steve Seiler that’s much closer to the target!
Feeding, planting, managing, all day everyday, lol! No vacations, but we’re liven the life! 🌱🐓🐷🐴
“What looks like work to others feels like play to me...”
Fun video. I think you are under no particular obligation to share your bounty with anyone, with the exception that the OT clearly defines one's giving in terms of allowing the poor and destitute to "glean your fields." You reap what you sow, but there is always some left for those who have need. Unfortunately, some farmers have tried and had their fields ravaged by fools.
You two are funny and smart
Keep doing what u doing airborne love it
Thank you for the kind words!
Lol I love it my saying is don’t bring any trouble and there won’t be any I am a meat eater and raise my own meat they only have 1 bad second of their happy lives and feed my family.
Read Rich Dad Poor Dad, by Robert Kiyosaki. Conventional agriculture is the left side of the cash flow quadrant, and permaculture is the right side.
Permaculture for me is: the natural order required to enrich the earth of it's God given harmony with nature for the benefit of all living creatures.
I definitely like the definition!
Balance with the land and nature
Personal Provisions and Control
Agreed. In principle, Fair Share seems a good thing; but as you point out, in practice; it inevitably becomes hijacked by people and ideologies to justify trampling on people's freedom and unilaterally taking what they care to without permission in the name of egalitarianism. It becomes a means to reward cronyism, mindless compliance, groupthink, and ideological 'purity'. It becomes a means to avoid accountability by the political class for the results of the policies driven by moral posturing and not actual improvements to the quality of life for a nation's citizens. Return the surplus is ok; but don't try to dictate to me how it is returned.