My personal, non-elegant definition of Permaculture is the ethical farming, ranching and environmental restoration of one's personal property - I prefer to leave the statist, communistic nonsense out of it. How I choose to engage in charity and/or bartering of any overages of my property is nobody's business but mine. It's important to be charitable; charity by demand or force isn't charity
I’m curious, what does communism have to do with permaculture? Like communes? Statism? Would you care to expand? I agree 100% with your definition, but the rest of your comment seems a bit unnecessarily emotionally charged. I’m curious as to what ideology or statism has to do with permaculture?
@@diegom6085 Look at the historical Chinese model. The socialist/communist influence kept the farmers poor but would not permit them to keep their own crops or own their land. Not until Deng Xiaoping were there any opportunities for the farmers. On a larger scale, I believe what he’s saying is keep government out of the way. This method of sustainable agriculture doesn’t require legislators over-legislating because of financial interests from Big Ag, militant, misinformed vegans and other bleeding hearts. The lazy, judgmental hypocrites. There is a food crisis worldwide, fresh water shortage and depletion of nutrients in our soil. Permaculture considers and offers solutions to improve all such issues.
Permaculture is like architecture for the land. Designing multiple bio systems to work in harmony. (Says the architect who bought a farm). We are working with a permaculture designer to get started. Hope we will be where you are by next year.
Your speaking of the common-sense ( plus experience, knowledge ) application of the permaculture "details" ( to quote Mark) reminds me of what Mark Shepard gets passionate about ;) . He and Richard Perkins are pretty great for covering that.
Catching up on some old videos, wow a year ago and it's only gotten worse. Funny how many think you do the work I get the goods. You both are still spot on.
To me, permaculture implies a holistic approach to stewardship of the land. Not "use" of the land because that makes it sound like you're simply there to take what you can until the land is used up.
Years ago I got interested in permaculture but due to one of the points you made, the fact that so many fringe people become the voice of permaculture, I pulled away from it. It took years and seeing that there was more to it than environmentalists, vegans and hippies for me to give it a second look. Now I realize I had done the "Baby out with the bath water" thing.
Good talk! I get the comment all the time, “ that’s to much work “. I appreciate the time you took to explain this topic. I’ve found there is no argument with the results. When we can show proven results people will come asking “How did you do this?” One of the most helpful tips I would give a beginner is break up the property into manageable pieces and try to “hold ground “ there, then move out from there. Create a guild or island then connect them over time.
So true. And if you've put in the hard work you understand how much work it can save into the future. Front load it right and you've served a generation.
Excellent video. Thanks for the viewpoint and information. My permaculture definition; Through environmental observation and using those observations to work with nature (plants,animals, microorganisms, light, wind, rain, etc) to make life easier and regenerate the environment under your control.
I just started watching your channel. I love the content so far, but my comment is on your rocker. It totally brought tears. My mom had one identical to yours my entire life. I lost her 13yrs ago & I don't know where that rocker went. But your porch vlog sure did bring back some amazing memories. Thankyou. that's all.
Our Way Farm sorry to hear about your mom and her rocker but it does warm my heart to hear that our porch creates fond memories for you! Thank you for taking the time out of your day to reach out!
Our livestock is as important to the equation as the honey bee's and other insects, but the truth is our livestock will not survive with out a market place, love your chanle and your life choices, keep up the great work.
I recently found your podcast! It's great! I find myself disagreeing with a whole lot but that is the beauty of it. You can say whatever and no one can censor it, no matter what they think. Keep doing what you are doing!
Found you through, " Sow The Land". Highly impressed with how you are doing things there and although we probably have differing perspectives in some areas, to me it is inconsequential, as your willingness to share your wealth of acquired knowledge and expertise is invaluable, and I'm happy to have found you! ❤
It sounds like an HOA. I apologize if I sound ignorant, but I'm just learning from you. There should be no single person who tells you what you can do, or cannot do with what you do! Also, your son is a very intelligent and articulate young man. Keep doing what you are doing. ❤
Jennifer W goodness...you are absolutely correct that it is exactly like a HOA! What a perfect parallel. Thank you for the kind words and thank you for checking us out!
I am in NO WAY a religious person, but I came to Permaculture feeling that the whole planet was the Garden of Eden and we screwed it up, that it was still right here beneath our feet if do the right things and stop doing the bad things, just align ourselves the right way again. I struggle to explain it but your "toolbox" kind of nails it a bit. The toolbox that includes the best horticultural (not agricultural) practices across the globe and across eons that allow us to repair the earth and live in abundance. That still doesn't cover it, but it's the best thing I've come up with for myself. But I just added your toolbox thought.
I'm a new veiwer of this channel, came from sow the land❤️💛💚 I love the mentality of you and your family especially your son. Been learning a lot of botany and permaculture for a bout 3-4 years now and love the content I have seen so far on the channel. I'm a huge libertarian and love what y'all are doing with your property and y'all's time. I look forward to seeing the great progress y'all make and to learn a lot. Ty for all that y'all do!
Great conversation. Everything can be improved. '80 % of something is better than 100% of nothing. ' I find a Gabe Brown quote inspiring paraphrased. If I'm not failing in some of my small scale experiments I'm not pushing the boundaries enough for what is possible. Great vids! Cheers!
That was an absolutely fascinating discussion. I suspect the challenge in defining permaculture stems from how broad the concept is. IMO it's a bit like defining Physics. There are many definitions but, unless you have at least a basic understanding of the topic, they'll probably leave you with more questions than answers.
im learning so much about permaculture. I am a product designer and technologist, but always had a desire to use design & technology to help humanity. I got into solar, then expanded into botany & agriculture. Permaculture to me - is regenerative agriculture, is sustainability, is design and in essence art of feng shui. Im trying to research the negatives too, but It is so amazing :) - Edit; I think the verbiage of the word permaculture should only indicate the design philosophy and methodology - and not be treated as if it is a governing law Owners of the land get to decided the rules.
Man yall are so spot on about this stuff. It's like the wood chip method doesn't work here in North Alabama because of several different reasons. There are many different ways of gardening. All will work it's just what works in your area.
Just subscribed yesterday and very impressed with your videos. Even more impressed with the young man you have raised. Look forward to all to come..Thanks.
" A holistic, integrated approach to life, esp. nature " ... idk, I haven't read the official def. in a while, nor have I been "in" it long, tho I've long been "close" , growing up on a farm ( WI dairy farm) & loving reading about homesteaders & more & more natural ways of doing things. But that phrase is one I might use. Then if asked, I'd say it's about working WITH nature & mimicking healthy natural systems. That it encompasses things like regen ag ( the most natural methods of that anyways) , organic growing etc. ( again, when done in working-with-nature, not fighting it, ways ) and etc. .
I just stumbled across your channel, and this video made me hit that subscribe button! Glad to see some real talk about the self righteous attitude that creeps around in the society of permaculture (and society at large). Y'all are awesome!
Since covid19 lockdown, I’ve been compulsively surfing homesteading channels (I never searched for “permaculture”). i never came across your channel till Jason interviewed you on Sow the Land. Add “homesteading” hashtag or keyword to your channel (if you haven’t already). Maybe the RUclips algorithm will show your channel more often? Peace ☮️ ✌🏽
Another great video and on a great topic. I did notice that William didn't have a chair as big as yours. Lol I know I'm new to this but I understood the population control as in the animals. I thought that it stood to mean that you cannot over graze the land or overload it. Fair Share reminds me of the story of the Little Red Hen. Nobody wanted to help except at the end... to eat the bread. Could you describe Perma-Culture as "Establishing a structured environment so as to bring balance to the ecosystem with the use of fauna and flora with METT-T influencing the outcome." Not sure if im even on point, but just ones thoughts.
You gotta love any definition that includes “METT-T”! In the designers manual, Mollison actually describes “population control“ as restrictions on human reproduction.
@@PermaPasturesFarm21 Oh ok, but like I said I'm new to all this. Lol. I had to explain METT-T to my wife as she's not up on the acronyms. Lol. She did say that she thinks I should wear my hair like William's... even though it's as short as yours. Lmao. Yeah, I'll get right on that one. Lol
I have been ridiculed for years by locals, that feel I am cruel to my horses cause they don't get locked up in a barn every night, and I don't put blankets on them when it hits 0 degrees.. I treat my horses like family, but they live like God intended for horses to live. They have the ability to roam all day and graze at their leisure. They are able to use thermoregulation to keep warm in the winter and cool in the summer. They eat all kinds of vegitation from grass to rose bushes and tree bark. They even lick the dirt by the rose bushes to deworm themselves. They are the most content and happy horses around, but I am the crazy one right, lol.
You guys are really great. I think I align pretty closely philosophically/politically, from what I've seen so far at least. As a side note, I was watching a previous video earlier with my gosling, and she kept making noise whenever you guys were onscreen. She might be racist...
hopechannelcat He’s way ahead of me on so many things and that makes me proud! I thank the Good Lord that he’s not content to sit in front of a TV or waste away playing a video game like so many others his age. Thank you for checking us out!
Problem with setting population bases on a set "number per" ( in the case of your cows on your land, example, acres ) - Like Joel Salatin has proven, with certain management, wayyyyy more cows per acre can thrive, than most people ( incl. stubborn neighbors ! ) think is possible ! If even his next door neighbors can doubt and etc. , I sure as H ain't gunna trust someone far away to know what our place can or can't support ! For example... . Anyways, I agree w y'all, and thanks ! And I've personally witnessed issues with things like free food, myself. Not that there's never a place for it, but the beauty of it being fairly direct ( between giver and recipient) & being of one's free will, u can decide not to give anymore to someone who wastes a ton of it, while spending $ on alcohol ( and no, not talking about an addict) and lot more I could say, by otherwise smart, educated & capable people who have a lot more expendable $ , health, time & energy than I did !
Can you expand on the proper use of hugelculture? I was going to put one in the back of my property because I have some downed wood and excess topsoil, but then thought I'm missing the element of water which is still needed to kick the system off. Thanks!
New viewer. Like your views and agree with them. Binged watched most of your vids. Lol. Just a question on your pimp part of your intro. My daughter asked. Who you pimping?. Not the land because your giving and growing it. At 16 yrs, she knows what ipimp means.SMH. The struggle is real. It might turn some of your viewers off. Keep up the good work. Looking forward to every new vid.
N thank you for the kind and thoughtful response! You’re absolutely correct... that we will be turning off folks if I don’t do a better job of explaining things. The initial purpose of using “Permaculture P.I.M.P. Daddy” was to create an edgy appeal to knuckle head kids in the hood. At the same time I wanted to spin an awful word/concept into something worthwhile.
Lol I love it my saying is don’t bring any trouble and there won’t be any I am a meat eater and raise my own meat they only have 1 bad second of their happy lives and feed my family.
as far as defining permaculture ..a system of horticulture/gardening which turns the waste from one part of the system into food or fertility for another part of the garden ..to reduce or eliminate outside inputs and reduce the need for water use .
My idea is that my fair share is what I'm taking 100% responsibility for. 100% my work, my investment, my research, my time= my labors are mine to keep or give away as pleases me :)
With regard to the "Militant Vegans", I would recommend 2 things: 1. Know your legal statutes regarding Trespassing and Post plenty of signs forbidding them. 2. My grand-father owned a farm and also owned shot-guns & plenty of rounds loaded with Rat Shot.
Permaculture is not dogmatic. The principles are basically the answer to dealing with our excess or the problem. The solution or design is put through earth care, people care, and redistribution of resources through filters to guide decisions. A problem with garbage may find that we have a soil deficiency in zone 1-5. We may decide to put a worm bin in zone 2-3 for convenience and put our garbage as worm food. That's just one example. Simple small steps.
Agreed. In principle, Fair Share seems a good thing; but as you point out, in practice; it inevitably becomes hijacked by people and ideologies to justify trampling on people's freedom and unilaterally taking what they care to without permission in the name of egalitarianism. It becomes a means to reward cronyism, mindless compliance, groupthink, and ideological 'purity'. It becomes a means to avoid accountability by the political class for the results of the policies driven by moral posturing and not actual improvements to the quality of life for a nation's citizens. Return the surplus is ok; but don't try to dictate to me how it is returned.
Permaculture is a shortening of permanent agriculture. The basic idea was plant once harvest forever. Everything else was added to this concept, thus confusing the term. The idea that a "culture" was developing came later, as a natural development, but... The simple, elegant definition you seek already exists. Permaculture is permanent agriculture.
I think the "fair share" philosophy is more for smaller, tighter communities. Everyone knows each other, it's basically everyone in this self motivated circle of gifting each other, like the old potlatch practices of indigenous folks way back when.
I worked in a Middle Eastern country, and everything was given to the citizens (not any of the emigrants who were working to support the citizenry). Their education, books, everything was given to them. Some of them still had work ethic, but mostly it had come to be expected. There is a word for that feeling, of course, but then, there was a huge waste of all this by those students.
As a passionate newly minted PDC grad, who doesnt tend to fit in with most other more "Woke" Permies, youall are an inspiring AF breath of fresh air Permaculture needs to understand ,that if it is going to succeed, that it's focus on diversity within populations,and every critter having it's place, also applies to people with sociopolitical differences. You wouldnt grow only one type of plant in an ecosystem, so why do you only want only one kind of person as part of that system?! Folks need to seriously stop trying to ideologically monocrop our movement.
Fair share should be directly determined by effort made meaning nobody is owed squat in this world just because they were born and have needs. The following years are very much going to be ruled by skillsets and effort 👌. People will start to find they don't eat what they can't produce. Naturally there will be those whom waste away because entitlement issues will lead them to believe they have aright to the food WE produce simply because they are human. Many are going to find this out the hard way. These people are everywhere, even my own family, and they aren't going to live lives of leisure while I'm busting my ass for much of the year.
I'll admit that i have just recently discovered Permaculture so by no means am i qualified to give an accurate definition being from a cattle raising background. I would have to say in my opinion the most basic way to describe Permaculture would be. "The process of imitating nature in it's natural state" Example. It is not natural to try to create a rainforest in say Vermont just because you think it would be beautiful. Mother nature will show you what works if you are willing to learn! I leave the politics out of it.
Fun video. I think you are under no particular obligation to share your bounty with anyone, with the exception that the OT clearly defines one's giving in terms of allowing the poor and destitute to "glean your fields." You reap what you sow, but there is always some left for those who have need. Unfortunately, some farmers have tried and had their fields ravaged by fools.
We were a part of a community garden. 10% of us did the work out of the 100%. But those that didn't work, took more than their fair share. NOT going to have anyone tell me what to do on my 40 acres.
As a long-time permaculture designer, I'm so glad to have found this channel. I get so tired of people who claim to be practicing permaculture, but it's obvious they haven't followed the design principles. Even some people claim to be certified, & I have to conclude they had a terrible teacher. I was sooooo lucky with my main teachers, Peter Bane & Jerome Osentowski. I chose CRMPI because they were practicing in CO, where I live. Even so, they were so clear about observing the differences in locations, not just in macro-climate, but also micro. I also really appreciate your discussion about the 3rd ethic. It can be a tricky interpretation, & I too get frustrated by those who are able & lazy. ... and don't get me started on militant vegans... ugh...
Permaculture is the art of humankind working with the animal kingdom, working with the earth and all it contains, for the mutual benefit of all. How's that? It still seems like it's missing something. Maybe someone with a better grasp of the endless language can elaborate
“An array of methods and innovative technology that mature the landscape and terrain to improve the life of humans, animals and nature”. Is that close? 🤣
The last place I worked the plant manager picked one person from each dept and he was gonna teach us the Deming Method of business and then we were supposed to go back out in the plant and teach our fellow workers the method but I told him if I tell folks whose been doing their job one way for 40 years and I tell them to do it another way I said they will pick up a wrench and knock my head off
The integration of multiple practices for the purpose of harmonizing flora and fauna to produce food abundance in a natural, balanced, and renewable fashion.
Oh Billy! I am new to all this. After listening, I believe in their prime directive but nothing else! We bought land that had been abused and I feel I need to heal it. I will follow anything that will help the land, but want nothing to do with the preaching people.
One guy once said that my cat was a slave since I could decide over it's life. I argued that the cat had free food and housing plus free veterinary care indefinitley and if the cat didn't like it, it could just pack up and leave whenever it felt like it. The cat came home every night though and the crazy vegan didn't change his mind until he wanted to adopt a dog.
Permaculture equates to permanent culture. Inasmuch as its principles can be successfully applied to every aspect of human activity. This often leads to seemingly contradictory positions such as embracing private property rights and free trade while despising and seeking to destroy capitalism. Again, this only seems like a contradiction on the surface. It all depends…
@@PermaPasturesFarm21 It is a hard lesson to fully learn, especially for the naturally extra caring and giving. I still struggle with this lesson, I know it logically but I have a hard time putting it to practice because the bleeding heart and wanting to see the good in everyone. The lesson of giving people the benefit of the doubt may have been instilled in me too deeply where it has made me naive.
H. S. Believe it or not, I have the same compulsion to want to help people that say they are in need. The only problem is being burned nearly every time.
@@PermaPasturesFarm21 Oh I believe it. Some of the more rough and down to earth people I know are also some of the most caring despite their tougher demeanor. I can imagine you would be similar in that regard. Take care of yourself the best you can, be generous when you can, but only if it won't hurt you to do so. Have a great morning out on your land and enjoy it best you can!
Awesome! You guys are speaking to my soul! I think about permaculture as Client Needs, Terrain/Climate Realities, and Profitabilty. In my situation, I’m building a sustainable neighborhood on a really great investment property. As a capitalist, I really believe that sustainability is the most profitable system for property investors and managers. If every investment property could be producing food during the holding phase and then build the neighborhood to maximize long term food production, we could dramatically improve our supply chains. Should be closing on this property near Augusta, GA in about a month and can’t wait to share how we do this!
New to your channel, decided to check you out because Justin Metcalf recommended you guys. Never heard of premature before, after watching this video I would define as "Common Sense Homesteading"
There are numerous possible reasons that the groups with the loudest voices, e.g., vegans, appear more organized than the permaculture & homesteading folks. Could it be related to their overall younger age demographic & therefore lacking a decade or more of maturation that’s accumulated by a generally older age demographic of permaculturists, homesteaders, or regenerative agriculture❓ Why wouldn’t they be using their passion regarding the welfare of animals to help improve the horrific conditions in the meat industry, factory farming, including CAFOs❓The way you raise your animals is like any animal’s dream come true: the freshest foods possible given the season, fresh air, the ability to move around as they like to forage or exercise, etc.
To your point about vegans it's not vegans or vegetarians who are that way but those who are vegan liberals. I'm a vegetarian for health reasons and will admit beef is delicious, but when staunch meat eating liberals find out I am a pescatarian (I don't advertise) they get defensive. I'm like, you do you, your choice has nothing to do with me. It's not the vegan, vegetarian, or omnivore lifestyle, it's the ideology that encompass their world view - Marxism or whatever you want to call it.
Found your channel by watching Jason and Sow the Land. I did my PDC with Lawton & PRI Australia about a decade back then spent time up at Mark Sheppard's farm learning his "STUN" methodology, and then closer to home learning from Salatin in Virginia. Since then I've observed numerous other people. I could talk permaculture all day long, but at the end of the day I've got a homestead and we've simply been trying to build a lifestyle for ourselves, grow clean food, and take care of our property...but I avoid dogmatism and strict ideology as best I humanly can. Good convo here y'all 👍👍..... oh, and subbed your channel ;)
It's no one's business how many children someone has. It's a shame that some countries have vast amounts of land they won't let their people live on, and that others starve their people they've herded into camps when the land will support them if they wanted it to.
I started to ponder a basic definition of permaculture but found that it’s impossible. There are so many variables and relationships encompassed in my understanding of permaculture. It maximizes some things while mitigating others. Consideration is given to every aspect of a given site. Interrelationships both positive and negative that require attention. I could go on to include several more points, which support my assertion that Permaculture would be difficult to summarize in a few short sentences. It’s a move away from past farming principles which have led to soil infertility, chemical fertilizers and pest/weed control, massive capital investments in structures and implements. If I had to summarize it in one sentence, that would be: Permaculture means fixing a broken system of agriculture that will eventually fail.
My personal, non-elegant definition of Permaculture is the ethical farming, ranching and environmental restoration of one's personal property - I prefer to leave the statist, communistic nonsense out of it. How I choose to engage in charity and/or bartering of any overages of my property is nobody's business but mine. It's important to be charitable; charity by demand or force isn't charity
Glen S amen to that!
I must ask; how did you come to this wisdom?
I’m curious, what does communism have to do with permaculture? Like communes? Statism? Would you care to expand? I agree 100% with your definition, but the rest of your comment seems a bit unnecessarily emotionally charged. I’m curious as to what ideology or statism has to do with permaculture?
@@diegom6085 Look at the historical Chinese model. The socialist/communist influence kept the farmers poor but would not permit them to keep their own crops or own their land. Not until Deng Xiaoping were there any opportunities for the farmers. On a larger scale, I believe what he’s saying is keep government out of the way. This method of sustainable agriculture doesn’t require legislators over-legislating because of financial interests from Big Ag, militant, misinformed vegans and other bleeding hearts. The lazy, judgmental hypocrites. There is a food crisis worldwide, fresh water shortage and depletion of nutrients in our soil. Permaculture considers and offers solutions to improve all such issues.
Well said !!!
Permaculture is like architecture for the land. Designing multiple bio systems to work in harmony. (Says the architect who bought a farm). We are working with a permaculture designer to get started. Hope we will be where you are by next year.
You must be so proud of your son! A young man that can think with reason and for himself!
SLFYSH the Good Lord truly blessed us with him!
@@PermaPasturesFarm21 and you should tell him some of your subs thinks he's absolutely gorgeous.
What a breath of fresh air! How have I missed this channel for so long? That won't happen again! Excellent!😊❤🙏
Thank you so much!
Very helpful for an older person just learning. Good info!
I really like your ideas. Good explanations
Many thanks!
Your speaking of the common-sense ( plus experience, knowledge ) application of the permaculture "details" ( to quote Mark) reminds me of what Mark Shepard gets passionate about ;) . He and Richard Perkins are pretty great for covering that.
Catching up on some old videos, wow a year ago and it's only gotten worse. Funny how many think you do the work I get the goods. You both are still spot on.
To me, permaculture implies a holistic approach to stewardship of the land. Not "use" of the land because that makes it sound like you're simply there to take what you can until the land is used up.
I heard one time to Love your neighbor as your self…seems like that would be permaculture distribution…and y’all do that better than I ever seen..
Same for you brother!
Years ago I got interested in permaculture but due to one of the points you made, the fact that so many fringe people become the voice of permaculture, I pulled away from it. It took years and seeing that there was more to it than environmentalists, vegans and hippies for me to give it a second look. Now I realize I had done the "Baby out with the bath water" thing.
mcmillanfarms I nearly did the same thing myself...for the same reason.
Good talk! I get the comment all the time, “ that’s to much work “. I appreciate the time you took to explain this topic. I’ve found there is no argument with the results. When we can show proven results people will come asking “How did you do this?” One of the most helpful tips I would give a beginner is break up the property into manageable pieces and try to “hold ground “ there, then move out from there. Create a guild or island then connect them over time.
Conrad Homestead I couldn’t think of a better advice myself!
Or they'll show up thinking they are entitled to what we have produced because they are human and hungry.
So true. And if you've put in the hard work you understand how much work it can save into the future. Front load it right and you've served a generation.
I’ll give it a shot. Permaculture is tending to your family, animals and land with your ethical self interest as the greatest moral directive.
Dan Obrien simply brilliant in my view! The only hole someone might poke into that elegant definition is that there’s no mention of mimicking nature.
Perma Pastures Farm You Sir , and all humans when ethically behaved are nature at its finest.
I think I heard of something like this in a "Gulch"....?
Michael Mealy Hello Commander my friend . Please like share and subscribe to my PIMP friends channel .PIMP means Permaculture is my passion lol.
@@danobrien2616 POWER to the PIMPles, all the PIMPles.
I was watching Amazing Polly and was led here....go figure...
Excellent video. Thanks for the viewpoint and information. My permaculture definition; Through environmental observation and using those observations to work with nature (plants,animals, microorganisms, light, wind, rain, etc) to make life easier and regenerate the environment under your control.
I just started watching your channel. I love the content so far, but my comment is on your rocker. It totally brought tears. My mom had one identical to yours my entire life. I lost her 13yrs ago & I don't know where that rocker went. But your porch vlog sure did bring back some amazing memories. Thankyou. that's all.
Our Way Farm sorry to hear about your mom and her rocker but it does warm my heart to hear that our porch creates fond memories for you!
Thank you for taking the time out of your day to reach out!
Our livestock is as important to the equation as the honey bee's and other insects, but the truth is our livestock will not survive with out a market place, love your chanle and your life choices, keep up the great work.
I recently found your podcast! It's great! I find myself disagreeing with a whole lot but that is the beauty of it. You can say whatever and no one can censor it, no matter what they think. Keep doing what you are doing!
Found you through, " Sow The Land". Highly impressed with how you are doing things there and although we probably have differing perspectives in some areas, to me it is inconsequential, as your willingness to share your wealth of acquired knowledge and expertise is invaluable, and I'm happy to have found you! ❤
It sounds like an HOA. I apologize if I sound ignorant, but I'm just learning from you. There should be no single person who tells you what you can do, or cannot do with what you do!
Also, your son is a very intelligent and articulate young man. Keep doing what you are doing. ❤
Jennifer W goodness...you are absolutely correct that it is exactly like a HOA! What a perfect parallel.
Thank you for the kind words and thank you for checking us out!
Came over from sow the land 😁
Danielle Terry thank you very much!
came over from Sow The Land and bam, a great informative video! Nice to meet you!
I am in NO WAY a religious person, but I came to Permaculture feeling that the whole planet was the Garden of Eden and we screwed it up, that it was still right here beneath our feet if do the right things and stop doing the bad things, just align ourselves the right way again. I struggle to explain it but your "toolbox" kind of nails it a bit. The toolbox that includes the best horticultural (not agricultural) practices across the globe and across eons that allow us to repair the earth and live in abundance. That still doesn't cover it, but it's the best thing I've come up with for myself. But I just added your toolbox thought.
So glad you were on deep south's channel today so I could learn of your channel. Absolutely love this discussion! God bless you
Thank you so much for the blessings of your kind words my friend! Welcome!
I'm a new veiwer of this channel, came from sow the land❤️💛💚 I love the mentality of you and your family especially your son. Been learning a lot of botany and permaculture for a bout 3-4 years now and love the content I have seen so far on the channel. I'm a huge libertarian and love what y'all are doing with your property and y'all's time. I look forward to seeing the great progress y'all make and to learn a lot. Ty for all that y'all do!
Awesome to make your acquaintance! There are very few of us libertarians in the permaculture world that’s for sure!
Great conversation. Everything can be improved. '80 % of something is better than 100% of nothing. '
I find a Gabe Brown quote inspiring paraphrased. If I'm not failing in some of my small scale experiments I'm not pushing the boundaries enough for what is possible.
Great vids! Cheers!
Garden of Weed'n many thanks!
That was an absolutely fascinating discussion. I suspect the challenge in defining permaculture stems from how broad the concept is. IMO it's a bit like defining Physics. There are many definitions but, unless you have at least a basic understanding of the topic, they'll probably leave you with more questions than answers.
Defining physics is the perfect parallel I think!
So glad I went back and caught this conversation. This challenged me to push forward with our plans on our land for our future. THANK YOU!
im learning so much about permaculture. I am a product designer and technologist, but always had a desire to use design & technology to help humanity. I got into solar, then expanded into botany & agriculture.
Permaculture to me - is regenerative agriculture, is sustainability, is design and in essence art of feng shui. Im trying to research the negatives too, but It is so amazing :)
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I think the verbiage of the word permaculture should only indicate the design philosophy and methodology - and not be treated as if it is a governing law
Owners of the land get to decided the rules.
Man yall are so spot on about this stuff. It's like the wood chip method doesn't work here in North Alabama because of several different reasons. There are many different ways of gardening. All will work it's just what works in your area.
I agree, don't force your worldview on others. Amazing how "liberals " can be such bullies
Just subscribed yesterday and very impressed with your videos. Even more impressed with the young man you have raised. Look forward to all to come..Thanks.
" A holistic, integrated approach to life, esp. nature " ... idk, I haven't read the official def. in a while, nor have I been "in" it long, tho I've long been "close" , growing up on a farm ( WI dairy farm) & loving reading about homesteaders & more & more natural ways of doing things. But that phrase is one I might use. Then if asked, I'd say it's about working WITH nature & mimicking healthy natural systems. That it encompasses things like regen ag ( the most natural methods of that anyways) , organic growing etc. ( again, when done in working-with-nature, not fighting it, ways ) and etc. .
I just stumbled across your channel, and this video made me hit that subscribe button! Glad to see some real talk about the self righteous attitude that creeps around in the society of permaculture (and society at large). Y'all are awesome!
Awesome! Thank you!
Since covid19 lockdown, I’ve been compulsively surfing homesteading channels (I never searched for “permaculture”). i never came across your channel till Jason interviewed you on Sow the Land. Add “homesteading” hashtag or keyword to your channel (if you haven’t already). Maybe the RUclips algorithm will show your channel more often? Peace ☮️ ✌🏽
Am I not merciful ? Thanks so much for the tip! I’ll get right on it.
I tell people that permaculture is working with nature instead of against it.
Another great video and on a great topic. I did notice that William didn't have a chair as big as yours. Lol
I know I'm new to this but I understood the population control as in the animals. I thought that it stood to mean that you cannot over graze the land or overload it.
Fair Share reminds me of the story of the Little Red Hen. Nobody wanted to help except at the end... to eat the bread.
Could you describe Perma-Culture as "Establishing a structured environment so as to bring balance to the ecosystem with the use of fauna and flora with METT-T influencing the outcome." Not sure if im even on point, but just ones thoughts.
You gotta love any definition that includes “METT-T”!
In the designers manual, Mollison actually describes “population control“ as restrictions on human reproduction.
@@PermaPasturesFarm21 Oh ok, but like I said I'm new to all this. Lol. I had to explain METT-T to my wife as she's not up on the acronyms. Lol. She did say that she thinks I should wear my hair like William's... even though it's as short as yours. Lmao. Yeah, I'll get right on that one. Lol
Kinda funny this is the first time this video has popped up for me!! 2 years later!!
I have been ridiculed for years by locals, that feel I am cruel to my horses cause they don't get locked up in a barn every night, and I don't put blankets on them when it hits 0 degrees.. I treat my horses like family, but they live like God intended for horses to live. They have the ability to roam all day and graze at their leisure. They are able to use thermoregulation to keep warm in the winter and cool in the summer. They eat all kinds of vegitation from grass to rose bushes and tree bark. They even lick the dirt by the rose bushes to deworm themselves. They are the most content and happy horses around, but I am the crazy one right, lol.
You guys are really great. I think I align pretty closely philosophically/politically, from what I've seen so far at least. As a side note, I was watching a previous video earlier with my gosling, and she kept making noise whenever you guys were onscreen. She might be racist...
Ha ha!
Permaculture for me is: the natural order required to enrich the earth of it's God given harmony with nature for the benefit of all living creatures.
I definitely like the definition!
a world of information. it's good to see your son with as much knowledge as well
hopechannelcat He’s way ahead of me on so many things and that makes me proud! I thank the Good Lord that he’s not content to sit in front of a TV or waste away playing a video game like so many others his age.
Thank you for checking us out!
Problem with setting population bases on a set "number per" ( in the case of your cows on your land, example, acres ) - Like Joel Salatin has proven, with certain management, wayyyyy more cows per acre can thrive, than most people ( incl. stubborn neighbors ! ) think is possible ! If even his next door neighbors can doubt and etc. , I sure as H ain't gunna trust someone far away to know what our place can or can't support ! For example... . Anyways, I agree w y'all, and thanks ! And I've personally witnessed issues with things like free food, myself. Not that there's never a place for it, but the beauty of it being fairly direct ( between giver and recipient) & being of one's free will, u can decide not to give anymore to someone who wastes a ton of it, while spending $ on alcohol ( and no, not talking about an addict) and lot more I could say, by otherwise smart, educated & capable people who have a lot more expendable $ , health, time & energy than I did !
Can you expand on the proper use of hugelculture? I was going to put one in the back of my property because I have some downed wood and excess topsoil, but then thought I'm missing the element of water which is still needed to kick the system off. Thanks!
It sounds like you have a proper use my friend!
@@PermaPasturesFarm21 excellent! I'm using it as an educational element on our property as well as for beauty and edge around a hipcamp location
New viewer. Like your views and agree with them. Binged watched most of your vids. Lol. Just a question on your pimp part of your intro. My daughter asked. Who you pimping?. Not the land because your giving and growing it. At 16 yrs, she knows what ipimp means.SMH. The struggle is real. It might turn some of your viewers off. Keep up the good work. Looking forward to every new vid.
N thank you for the kind and thoughtful response!
You’re absolutely correct... that we will be turning off folks if I don’t do a better job of explaining things.
The initial purpose of using “Permaculture P.I.M.P. Daddy” was to create an edgy appeal to knuckle head kids in the hood. At the same time I wanted to spin an awful word/concept into something worthwhile.
Lol I love it my saying is don’t bring any trouble and there won’t be any I am a meat eater and raise my own meat they only have 1 bad second of their happy lives and feed my family.
Read Rich Dad Poor Dad, by Robert Kiyosaki. Conventional agriculture is the left side of the cash flow quadrant, and permaculture is the right side.
Amen
as far as defining permaculture ..a system of horticulture/gardening which turns the waste from one part of the system into food or fertility for another part of the garden ..to reduce or eliminate outside inputs and reduce the need for water use .
Permaculture is "Farm Efficient Organization, Fertility and Safety.
My idea is that my fair share is what I'm taking 100% responsibility for. 100% my work, my investment, my research, my time= my labors are mine to keep or give away as pleases me :)
I love the way you think!
With regard to the "Militant Vegans", I would recommend 2 things: 1. Know your legal statutes regarding Trespassing and Post plenty of signs forbidding them. 2. My grand-father owned a farm and also owned shot-guns & plenty of rounds loaded with Rat Shot.
Permaculture is not dogmatic. The principles are basically the answer to dealing with our excess or the problem. The solution or design is put through earth care, people care, and redistribution of resources through filters to guide decisions. A problem with garbage may find that we have a soil deficiency in zone 1-5. We may decide to put a worm bin in zone 2-3 for convenience and put our garbage as worm food. That's just one example. Simple small steps.
Agreed. In principle, Fair Share seems a good thing; but as you point out, in practice; it inevitably becomes hijacked by people and ideologies to justify trampling on people's freedom and unilaterally taking what they care to without permission in the name of egalitarianism. It becomes a means to reward cronyism, mindless compliance, groupthink, and ideological 'purity'. It becomes a means to avoid accountability by the political class for the results of the policies driven by moral posturing and not actual improvements to the quality of life for a nation's citizens. Return the surplus is ok; but don't try to dictate to me how it is returned.
Permaculture is a shortening of permanent agriculture. The basic idea was plant once harvest forever. Everything else was added to this concept, thus confusing the term. The idea that a "culture" was developing came later, as a natural development, but...
The simple, elegant definition you seek already exists. Permaculture is permanent agriculture.
I think the "fair share" philosophy is more for smaller, tighter communities. Everyone knows each other, it's basically everyone in this self motivated circle of gifting each other, like the old potlatch practices of indigenous folks way back when.
I simplest way I say it is PERMANENT CROPS by design.
I worked in a Middle Eastern country, and everything was given to the citizens (not any of the emigrants who were working to support the citizenry). Their education, books, everything was given to them. Some of them still had work ethic, but mostly it had come to be expected. There is a word for that feeling, of course, but then, there was a huge waste of all this by those students.
As a passionate newly minted PDC grad, who doesnt tend to fit in with most other more "Woke" Permies, youall are an inspiring AF breath of fresh air
Permaculture needs to understand ,that if it is going to succeed, that it's focus on diversity within populations,and every critter having it's place, also applies to people with sociopolitical differences. You wouldnt grow only one type of plant in an ecosystem, so why do you only want only one kind of person as part of that system?!
Folks need to seriously stop trying to ideologically monocrop our movement.
"It all depends..."
This is expressing the idea that you operate from principles; not checklists of detailed things.
Fair share should be directly determined by effort made meaning nobody is owed squat in this world just because they were born and have needs. The following years are very much going to be ruled by skillsets and effort 👌. People will start to find they don't eat what they can't produce. Naturally there will be those whom waste away because entitlement issues will lead them to believe they have aright to the food WE produce simply because they are human. Many are going to find this out the hard way. These people are everywhere, even my own family, and they aren't going to live lives of leisure while I'm busting my ass for much of the year.
I'll admit that i have just recently discovered Permaculture so by no means am i qualified to give an accurate definition being from a cattle raising background. I would have to say in my opinion the most basic way to describe Permaculture would be. "The process of imitating nature in it's natural state" Example. It is not natural to try to create a rainforest in say Vermont just because you think it would be beautiful. Mother nature will show you what works if you are willing to learn! I leave the politics out of it.
Fun video. I think you are under no particular obligation to share your bounty with anyone, with the exception that the OT clearly defines one's giving in terms of allowing the poor and destitute to "glean your fields." You reap what you sow, but there is always some left for those who have need. Unfortunately, some farmers have tried and had their fields ravaged by fools.
We were a part of a community garden. 10% of us did the work out of the 100%. But those that didn't work, took more than their fair share. NOT going to have anyone tell me what to do on my 40 acres.
As a long-time permaculture designer, I'm so glad to have found this channel. I get so tired of people who claim to be practicing permaculture, but it's obvious they haven't followed the design principles. Even some people claim to be certified, & I have to conclude they had a terrible teacher. I was sooooo lucky with my main teachers, Peter Bane & Jerome Osentowski. I chose CRMPI because they were practicing in CO, where I live. Even so, they were so clear about observing the differences in locations, not just in macro-climate, but also micro.
I also really appreciate your discussion about the 3rd ethic. It can be a tricky interpretation, & I too get frustrated by those who are able & lazy.
... and don't get me started on militant vegans... ugh...
Permaculture is the art of humankind working with the animal kingdom, working with the earth and all it contains, for the mutual benefit of all. How's that? It still seems like it's missing something. Maybe someone with a better grasp of the endless language can elaborate
“An array of methods and innovative technology that mature the landscape and terrain to improve the life of humans, animals and nature”. Is that close? 🤣
The last place I worked the plant manager picked one person from each dept and he was gonna teach us the Deming Method of business and then we were supposed to go back out in the plant and teach our fellow workers the method but I told him if I tell folks whose been doing their job one way for 40 years and I tell them to do it another way I said they will pick up a wrench and knock my head off
The integration of multiple practices for the purpose of harmonizing flora and fauna to produce food abundance in a natural, balanced, and renewable fashion.
Lol. Already made all these mistakes trying to learn permaculture in a new environment all on my own!! But i have learned soooooo much!!
Oh Billy! I am new to all this. After listening, I believe in their prime directive but nothing else! We bought land that had been abused and I feel I need to heal it. I will follow anything that will help the land, but want nothing to do with the preaching people.
One guy once said that my cat was a slave since I could decide over it's life. I argued that the cat had free food and housing plus free veterinary care indefinitley and if the cat didn't like it, it could just pack up and leave whenever it felt like it. The cat came home every night though and the crazy vegan didn't change his mind until he wanted to adopt a dog.
The best definition I can think of would maybe be humans trying to balance agriculture with nature
Permaculture equates to permanent culture. Inasmuch as its principles can be successfully applied to every aspect of human activity. This often leads to seemingly contradictory positions such as embracing private property rights and free trade while despising and seeking to destroy capitalism. Again, this only seems like a contradiction on the surface. It all depends…
Permaculture = Solving Problems
That young man has a million dollar voice. Does he sing any? If not he has the voice to..
A philosophy, a symbiosis relationship with nature!🤔
So happy I found your channel! Great discussion.
I truly admire what you’re doing on that piece of property
Really appreciate this video and sharing.
Awesome !
HEY! OUR PLANTS ARE NOT VEGAN EITHER! LOVED THAT!!!
When something is given away for free. Some recipients assign the value accordingly. Just saying...
Anchorage Prepper I had to learn that one the hard way...several times.
@@PermaPasturesFarm21 It is a hard lesson to fully learn, especially for the naturally extra caring and giving. I still struggle with this lesson, I know it logically but I have a hard time putting it to practice because the bleeding heart and wanting to see the good in everyone. The lesson of giving people the benefit of the doubt may have been instilled in me too deeply where it has made me naive.
H. S. Believe it or not, I have the same compulsion to want to help people that say they are in need. The only problem is being burned nearly every time.
@@PermaPasturesFarm21 Oh I believe it. Some of the more rough and down to earth people I know are also some of the most caring despite their tougher demeanor. I can imagine you would be similar in that regard. Take care of yourself the best you can, be generous when you can, but only if it won't hurt you to do so.
Have a great morning out on your land and enjoy it best you can!
Awesome! You guys are speaking to my soul! I think about permaculture as Client Needs, Terrain/Climate Realities, and Profitabilty. In my situation, I’m building a sustainable neighborhood on a really great investment property.
As a capitalist, I really believe that sustainability is the most profitable system for property investors and managers. If every investment property could be producing food during the holding phase and then build the neighborhood to maximize long term food production, we could dramatically improve our supply chains. Should be closing on this property near Augusta, GA in about a month and can’t wait to share how we do this!
Jeanne Whitaker That sounds totally awesome and innovative! Please let me know how things unfold.
Perma Pastures Farm will do!
New to your channel, decided to check you out because Justin Metcalf recommended you guys. Never heard of premature before, after watching this video I would define as "Common Sense Homesteading"
I couldn’t have said it better myself!
Permaculture, permanent agriculture
Lil' Red Hen syndrome ;)
EXACTLY what I was thinking. Perfect Analogy!
There are numerous possible reasons that the groups with the loudest voices, e.g., vegans, appear more organized than the permaculture & homesteading folks. Could it be related to their overall younger age demographic & therefore lacking a decade or more of maturation that’s accumulated by a generally older age demographic of permaculturists, homesteaders, or regenerative agriculture❓ Why wouldn’t they be using their passion regarding the welfare of animals to help improve the horrific conditions in the meat industry, factory farming, including CAFOs❓The way you raise your animals is like any animal’s dream come true: the freshest foods possible given the season, fresh air, the ability to move around as they like to forage or exercise, etc.
To your point about vegans it's not vegans or vegetarians who are that way but those who are vegan liberals. I'm a vegetarian for health reasons and will admit beef is delicious, but when staunch meat eating liberals find out I am a pescatarian (I don't advertise) they get defensive. I'm like, you do you, your choice has nothing to do with me. It's not the vegan, vegetarian, or omnivore lifestyle, it's the ideology that encompass their world view - Marxism or whatever you want to call it.
You stated it much better than me! Thank you!
I've never watched a RUclips video where someone brings up Milton Friedman and Geoff Lawton in the same video, I love it!
Thanks a million my friend!
My father used to say " When the ship hits the sand.
Personal Provisions and Control
Love this channel‼️
Found your channel by watching Jason and Sow the Land. I did my PDC with Lawton & PRI Australia about a decade back then spent time up at Mark Sheppard's farm learning his "STUN" methodology, and then closer to home learning from Salatin in Virginia. Since then I've observed numerous other people. I could talk permaculture all day long, but at the end of the day I've got a homestead and we've simply been trying to build a lifestyle for ourselves, grow clean food, and take care of our property...but I avoid dogmatism and strict ideology as best I humanly can. Good convo here y'all 👍👍..... oh, and subbed your channel ;)
Do you sele Honey. please lect me now.
Balance with the land and nature
You two are funny and smart
It's no one's business how many children someone has. It's a shame that some countries have vast amounts of land they won't let their people live on, and that others starve their people they've herded into camps when the land will support them if they wanted it to.
Right there with you!
I love you people.
I find the loudest people can quite frequently be the biggest issue.
That statement of yours is pure Veritas!
I started to ponder a basic definition of permaculture but found that it’s impossible. There are so many variables and relationships encompassed in my understanding of permaculture. It maximizes some things while mitigating others. Consideration is given to every aspect of a given site. Interrelationships both positive and negative that require attention.
I could go on to include several more points, which support my assertion that Permaculture would be difficult to summarize in a few short sentences. It’s a move away from past farming principles which have led to soil infertility, chemical fertilizers and pest/weed control, massive capital investments in structures and implements.
If I had to summarize it in one sentence, that would be: Permaculture means fixing a broken system of agriculture that will eventually fail.
I think it’s pretty impossible to summarize Permaculture in a single sentence.
@@PermaPasturesFarm21 If it could be, It would surely be a very long sentence!