Great interview! Any interview diminishes the entirety of the I Am-ness. Like you said Rick, "When we open our mouth we create dualism". Yet it's all wonderfully apparent playing out of the apparent movie we call "my life". Example, there is no such things as forgiveness, forgiveness "is". Removing blame (the creator) of a need for what we define as forgiveness collapses it all. So many things we see as needing to be repressed, suppressed, get rid of is like this. Removing definitions (beliefs), relieves of this illusion. Allowing, surrender, being with-ness, watching are all pointers to that which is real and present in this now, as with all things. Thank you Lisa and Paul. Seeking is suffering, and yet the paradox.... there is no-body who suffers. Suffering and happiness can be, and then they can be so so important. Seemingly anyway. I had a wonderful experience at 19. I was married at 17, had a child at 18, and during a painful unraveling of emotion, I was at the peak of a dark night, ready to end it all. I said a little prayer, I accepted my whole self (ego) and being, and awoke the next morning as if seeing the world through a unconditional totally different place. It was immediate joy, and the thing I noticed most was the judgments eliminated fully of myself, and others. I woukld describe it as a complete surrender to all. Yet there was nothing "to do", even then. I had removed my need to control which I found was really 100% illusion and it's okay
Tony Parsons is great for those who are so attached to method but at some point anybody has to find their own truth. Every teacher with their different approaches help us to transcend our own attachment which blocks realization. No one possesses the entire truth and expresses it in definite words that can be understood by the mind. Not even the Buddha could. I hop from one approach to another and all can be true depending on the context.
Lisa's doing a really good job of describing how her experience of nonduality is. Such as she mentioned she can just sit for a long time, because there is no longer an urge to make things better, that she is not trying to escape suffering as most people would be
Nice, very enjoyable interview. Thank you for this series, I had no idea there were so many people awakening. Every week I´m waiting for the new interview...
Huh, pretty good; surprised I watched the whole thing. It was worth it for her remark about expecting some certain phrase or situation to be a trigger alone. I've had that sort of idea of a 'magic phrase' for a long time, and hadn't realized how much I invested in it.
What Lisa tries to say can be summarized by the Way of Mastery: Love (or I AM) allows all things, trusts all things, embraces all things; therefore transcends all things.
When you are a seeker and become liberated - that is when the seeker is no more.All people are seeking in one way or another. Tony and Lisa are talking about there 'knowing" that happened after seeking stop. Seeking is of the mind/ego = fear.
its MUCH better if you dont scroll the comments. trust me, they suck you into other people's ego/mental world. I'm just startin to learn youtube is much better without ever looking. just full screen it and move from vid to vid my 2 cents
Indeed, it is about happiness and not about the economy! I would not focus so much on 'end of suffering' and instead look in the direction of happiness and joy. Feels happier and lighter :)
Lot of talk about beliefs.... The problem with beliefs is that they limit ones options ... Ones beliefs create a wall that keeps out new data and possibilities.. . Keep an open mind and be skeptical..... Thanks for the interview....
The thing about the meditation and Drug theory - is that it is still not the "people doing" certain things - like they have a choice (who makes them think that way? Why do different thoughts "come" to different people.)- it is all still consciousness - what is interesting is that both groups are looking for liberation or some kind of fulfillment. I have seen alcoholics all of a sudden waken. Like I said all people are seeking for fulfillment in one way or another.
Thank you for your answer, Rovingdesertfox. The question was rhetorical really: If the so-called separate self has supposedly disappeared then there is no "here" from where seeing can take place. There is loving boundlessness only. It is seen that there was never anyone there in the first place who could ever disappear. All is One; nothing but the Beloved.
This is a great interview, and Lisa is indeed a wonderful, vibrant teacher. I will add, however, that it is very popular these days for people to get a powerful glimpse of nonduality, and then rush off into being a "guru" or give Satsangs, and many of these people still call another HUMAN "my teacher," thus contradicting their own non-dual teachings when they repeatedly say "apparent," yet then "give their power away" and put another on a pedestal as "my teacher."
Dear Rick, from my view what is causative during the spiritual path is that there is an increasingly stripping away of false beliefs. This includes the belief in causation. It is that simple. We have to understand that what is happening during the practices is the stripping away of ignorance. It's not that the stripping away of ignorance "causes" awakening. The stripping away of clouds does not "cause" the sun to come into existence. It just makes the sunlight plain to see.
NewNow4u that's when you believe consciousness is in the body, and of the body! basically you say i'm the body and nothing to do with the divine, therefore i have no free will
What is light? Gods thoughts is his light and our light. And the light that shines in you is what creates dreams and causes suffering. The end of suffering is not turning out the light. Stanley Clarke (Don't Turn The Lights Out)
A really wonderful interview. Thanks Rick and Lisa. I like that Lisa does not know. Maybe that's what Jesus meant when he said 'seek and yee shall fine' ,seek without any knowledge or preconception or any idea whatsoever that you know anything. Maybe. Great interview - Namaste Both of you.
I think the paradox boils down to "free will." "Your will is your salvation because it is the same as God's. The separation is nothing more than the belief that it is different." - ":A Course In Miracles"
@SimonKarlos0 Calling a certain person "my teacher" does not necessarily mean they are on a pedestal. The teacher helped the person to realize the nondual. It's just a simple word to describe a process of learning that happened. :)
@SimonKarlos0 Sure, many will acknowledge this. The affirmation that each is a holy encounter is from A Course in Miracles. It is a beautiful truth that all are students and teachers of God. Yet the Course also distinguishes that there are advanced teachers of God who play a special role in helping others. It does not contradict the equality.
Thanks for the interview and challenging the ideas presented. What I don't understand is, on what level exactly is there no "cause and effect". Is there any scientific basis to this? I think one can believe certain notions to be true or untrue to avoid suffering but living with reality the way it is, is the challenge.
@luminoushedgehog Sure I can. On more manifest levels, we distinguish between physiologies, paths, etc., all the time. If we didn't, we couldn't function. On the unmanifest level, of course, there are no such distinctions. In fact, there are no things.
Soo interesting!!. According to Libet, action comes first thinking later. see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience_of_free_will. What a breath of fresh air you are Lisa.
@luminoushedgehog You can pull a table by any of its legs and the rest of the table comes along. There are many ways to God/Self realization, including the physiological.
@luminoushedgehog Ah yes, I appreciate your insights. :) Yes, everything I stated is merely opinion/belief/presumption. In regards to the idea of "my teacher," it is wise to realize that EVERYONE "helped the person to realize the nondual," as you said, and not just one person. Recognize that each and every being that you encounter is your "teacher" in this sense, because ultimately each and every being is appreciated EQUALLY for helping you grow, expand in consciousness, and awaken. :)
Looking at this interview the 2nd time in 2016...I can not help seeing a "young, pretty girl" With everything to live for.Who enjoys life. ( and why not ) But turns it into something..it maybe is not?
For every For every extraordinary claim there is an equal and opposite doubt. . ls there a light bulb to begin with? Without light , People start to get restless, Funny enough, most people .criticize the interviewer , for examining the "source of light" rather then checking the quality of the light source... .( Yes i am aware that i stretch your metaphor to the max ;- )
the only different I see between these "awakened" people and anyone else I've seen in conversation is that these two seem a bit more unhinged and desperate.
The direct experience of Awareness shows us that the individual is illusory. Awareness is enlightened. The duality of the world shows us that duality is lived via the human experience. Both are true. You are a Universal-individual or Unividual. Only the mind seeks a definitive and final answer. nakedbeing.blogspot.co.uk
Discernment. Dispassion. Tranquility. Yearning. The Ripe Mind- go back to Shankara, R. Maharshi, Nasirgadatta...........By their fruits you will know them. She cannot explain or transmit it because she don't got it.
I think Greg Goode should be required reading to cut through this "levels" talk... Physics is a tool - it works. Same with language. If you're going to say "we can't say there's enlightenment/reincarnation/cause-effect because that concept isn't absolute/real", well... how can you say/do anything without concepts, then? What about the concept of catching a train on time to get to a certain destination? How do you get through the day? You use the concepts and admit their limitations; you don't clumsily try to use concepts without using them or ringfence certain concepts as "mere concepts obscuring the truth". When I say "God", I know what I mean. The "cause-effect dynamic" Lisa takes issue with - I use it, I'm not used by it. That's why I don't have to ringfence it as a problem concept and talk in the third person.
you ever read the book by DAN Millman? it was about a wise ole sage named (nicknamed Socrates) who had some bhudda like ways and wisdom, who taught a younger protégé about spirituality, personal enlightenment, and how to view life, in a more positive,empowering way.? name of the book? Way of the Peaceful Warrior, by Dan Millman (which has nothing to do with war by the way, ha.
I'd say that the relative is just as real as the absolute. Our thoughts or beliefs about either one create the dream or the illusion. Even the distinction between absolute and relative is ultimately of the mind, thus illusion.
ever consider interviewing Gregg Braden or Tom Cambell? they seem to be 2 other very brilliant guys trying to (in a sense)to merge a bit of science(quantum), spirituality, and personal enlightenment.
yes, I went to the future interviews page, and must agree with person who commented there, Teal Swann (Teal Scott) would be awesome as well. kudos and Namaste.
really great inrerview. Rick, I do not think you talk too much. You are a favorite interviewer of mine. but hopefully that won't move you one way or the other ;) even if I were to curse you. :)
Hey Rick, you should listen to Alan Watts lectures he explains perfectly what you are trying to figure out. Cause and Effect are one thing only that's why there isn't a cause and effect as we see it. IS part of the same "thing" like saying how do you know red is red? because you need the Not red to know whats red. Same goes with everything. We have a "separative" vision of life, and that's the way to start seeing it as one. listen to Watts he is the greatest at explaining this!
Lisa Cairns says, like many a non-dualist, "here" or "from here it is seen", instead of the mutually and subtly understood "I" or "I see". Question: Where is this "Here" from where she is apparently seeing and speaking?
The I amness my I am just wants cruelty not to be there i struggle with all forms of cruelty although i dont dwell on it as much as i did more people need to come to awareness quickly get rid of the egoic mind come to the ultimate loving truth.
Rick's missus says 'cool it, you're getting too animated'. This is actually the kind of world these people live in. There's another video where some old hippy friend of Rick's tells him that he's enlightened and he says 'Oh thank you very much! I love watching the videos though, you couldn't make it up, funny stuff.
Rick Archer I honestly can't Rick, I'd say it was maybe three years ago. I remember the girl to be in her 60's I'd say and I seem to remember stuff about entities/angels and some particular type of energy, she then goes on to mention about how many enlightened people there are in the world at the moment, including yourself and you reply 'oh thank you very much' You'd be in a better position then myself to have look for it.
Niall Bourke I think that was Rose Rosetree. She has an "enlightened people" list that includes George Clooney and others, including me. I guess I was flattered or taken aback when she said it, but believe me, I'm not enlightened by my definition. Far from it. There are many degrees of awakening and many are progressing through them, but very few in this world have traversed them all and are worthy of the term "enlightenment".
lol "i would only care about animal cruelty if I was shown it. How nice! Sounds like the most selfish POV i could imagine. She literally just said she's adopted an out of sight out of mind POV.
+Tempest 89 living by my intuitive values and trying to help the world, even though I know in the eyes of the universe there is no ethical and non-ethical, good or bad, etc. But I have these preferences and am alive and therefore will guide my actions by them. professionally I'm in the healthcare field and work with underserved populations bc of them.
+grubbymanz well it just pops in your mind more than in hers. thats all. you and her are not at all contradicting each other. Anyways. im not her follower or anything and i have not listened much but she seems kinda not totally sure and stuff, ill admit.
i think it's just that the new-age, quasi-buddhism maxims of "live in the now" and "suspend judgement of your experience" can be good, but if you really are only doing that you can't really follow any big picture values, or accomplish larger things which take planning and foresight.
Thats a good point actually.. But yeah with all due respect and having not watched a lot of vids of her recently she seems to just regurgitate and moonlight other speakers. Or not idk. So i wouldnt take it any seriously.
@BuddhaAtTheGasPump My friend, can you draw any line that isolates a cause called physiological? How can the separation be made by which you can distinguish a certain path? There is no true separating out of paths. Says 'me' :)
+Jeff Royer I'm a med student who studied upper level physics in undergrad and know many Phd physicists and also listen to what experts in the field say and also study the human body in depth and the relevant biochemistry to our brains and bodies.
+Jeff Royer nice shoot the messenger fallacy, textbook! www.theguardian.com/science/2005/may/16/g2.science there's a link to about 20 physicists saying the same thing, if you're not able to actually argue any ideas. With any amount of research you can find 1000s more. Start with the references below the article on Quantum Mysticism (pseudoscience) on Wiki.
quantum physics is an idea from 100 years ago. The fact is all of the observations from the double slit exp. that led to QM have only ever been observed at the subatomic level, in our material plane, classical physics, biochem, and materialism are all we've ever seen playing a role in human consciousness. You don't change anything by belief other than neural pathways in your own brain. Also, the quantum mystics use the copenhagen interpretation of the QM observations, that's only one of many postulations to explain the double slit exp and entanglement phenomena. Science is based on the observed, new age nonsense is just religion by other names. Prayer=manifestation etc.
pls i need to be in touch with lisa cairns? can somebody please give me her email or mobile number? please hurry? my email is cesd_1@yahoo.com my name is vishnu
A schizophrenic believes the imagined characters to be real. He/she believes that there are real people talking to them and about to poison their food, for example. In a way, believing the dream to be real is schizophrenia while knowing that the dream is a dream is the awakened Mind.
both seem so locked in their point of view and judgment. not good or bad just keeps the identity trumping the other experience they seek. perhaps let go of both judgments and pov and ease into enlightenment and when the self re-emerges your explanation of the experience is likely but not iron clad truth.
The non dual path they have chosen is valid but they are not realizing it is throwing them in a chaotic "baby state" of conciousness. Realising you are not a "me" is just a one way ticket, the return ticket is to realised that you are in charge of that "me", most non dual teachers are lost in translations when it comes to post awakening, it will change, it is a start.
+Calwen Dreamkeeper I don't believe most non dual teachers are "lost in translation". Lisa may sound like she's in a "baby state" of consciousness, but she's simply describing reality from the ultimate perspective. She could also describe reality from the common, unawakened perspective, where "she" (meaning the body/mind called Lisa) is in charge (and most likely does in everyday life). There is no second realization. Only deepening of the first.
Awakening is not realization and those who are still sleeping are easily confused. Awakening does not imply wisdom nor does it implies true group consciousness which is the natural state of consciousness of entities working as one to a common goal. The lower self is not in charge of anything, he suffers because he tries to control everything. Awareness, "what IS", is the One "in charge" of the substance and until every cell of that substance is impregnated and finely tuned to the Presence of "what IS", there is no realization. The role played by individuals like Lisa Cairns or Tony Parsons is nevertheless far from negligible, the destructors will come before the constructors and they are both part of the global rebirth happening on this planet. Just don't mistake the first beta wave with "the ultimate", there is a lot more to come. youarepresence.com
Calwen Dreamkeeper I have no disagreement with what you described above. Your wording just baffles me. In your first post, you spoke of awakening as "*Realising* you are not a "me"". What is realising something but a realization? What you describe as realization in your above post, seems like what usually is called liberation/jivanmukti/moksha, depending on tradition.
+j00f, you are correct to point to that wording confusion. I often, and probably should avoid in the future, use the word realization instead of liberation. In French, we have the transitive form "se realiser" which has a meaning of accomplishment and "realiser" which has the same meaning as in English "to realize" hence my wording. Nevertheless, I am not comfortable with the word "liberation". Liberation can be perceived as a movement upwards, a liberation "from" something. I would rather use the word "transfiguration" which is "a complete change of form or appearance into a more beautiful or spiritual state.". Why looking for a liberation "from" the form when Presence can embrace the form ? Why would the seed of a carrot suddenly stop to embrace its potential of becoming a beautiful carrot ? Essentially substance is Presence, rejecting the ego or the mind is another form of duality , Presence can embrace and include them all. In Presence, everything is transformed and sublimed.
"Group consciousness" would be a massive improvement on egoic consciousness. I am not so interested by any deconstructive attempts past that point, even if it essentially true "somewhere". If you want to make the dream more comfortable for everything and everyone you proceed one step at a time.
Yet another 'professional guru' peddling eastern wisdom and basically running a spirituality business. Don't bother with professional gurus. They're in it for the cash, baby. Remember, anyone who makes you laugh is your guru.
***** The ones who do this professionally do it full time. They have bills to pay just like all the rest of us. How are they to make a living and support their families if they're on the road continually and doing seminars? It's not like they just sit at home with no pants on raking in the dough with a web cam. Not everyone is Deepak Chopra :)
***** Sorry, but you don't sound like someone who is Self-Realized. I've never met or heard anyone who was say that they were as you do and I've been "at this" for 40 years and have spent a lot of time in India. "Those who Know don't say and those who say don't Know" and "knowing about something is not Knowing it" comes to mind.
***** Those who are Self-Realized don't speak from the ego telling others they are Self-Realized and could "easily teach it" but it would be "foolish" to do so as if it would beneath you somehow. Sorry, but your words just don't support your claim. The reference to 40 years wasn't meant to be a treatise on Advaita Vedanta, but as a simple concession to speech. Your parsing of words unnecessarily and sarcastic tone merely prove my point.
Great interview! Any interview diminishes the entirety of the I Am-ness. Like you said Rick, "When we open our mouth we create dualism". Yet it's all wonderfully apparent playing out of the apparent movie we call "my life". Example, there is no such things as forgiveness, forgiveness "is". Removing blame (the creator) of a need for what we define as forgiveness collapses it all. So many things we see as needing to be repressed, suppressed, get rid of is like this. Removing definitions (beliefs), relieves of this illusion. Allowing, surrender, being with-ness, watching are all pointers to that which is real and present in this now, as with all things. Thank you Lisa and Paul. Seeking is suffering, and yet the paradox.... there is no-body who suffers. Suffering and happiness can be, and then they can be so so important. Seemingly anyway. I had a wonderful experience at 19. I was married at 17, had a child at 18, and during a painful unraveling of emotion, I was at the peak of a dark night, ready to end it all. I said a little prayer, I accepted my whole self (ego) and being, and awoke the next morning as if seeing the world through a unconditional totally different place. It was immediate joy, and the thing I noticed most was the judgments eliminated fully of myself, and others. I woukld describe it as a complete surrender to all. Yet there was nothing "to do", even then. I had removed my need to control which I found was really 100% illusion and it's okay
powerful interview!!! loved the questions and the unity you both had..i really enjoyed this interview...wonderful and insightful...
thank you for this interview, love you both, and it resonates..sending you both love
I love Lisa. So refreshing, open, honest.
Tony Parsons is great for those who are so attached to method but at some point anybody has to find their own truth. Every teacher with their different approaches help us to transcend our own attachment which blocks realization. No one possesses the entire truth and expresses it in definite words that can be understood by the mind. Not even the Buddha could. I hop from one approach to another and all can be true depending on the context.
***** meh
Katarina Phang
and eckhart tricks you into presence with the spaces between the words...
What a wonderful talk. Thank you.
That was awesome guys and a very enjoyable interview. Both your perspective while very different fit together as a whole so well.
Lisa's doing a really good job of describing how her experience of nonduality is. Such as she mentioned she can just sit for a long time, because there is no longer an urge to make things better, that she is not trying to escape suffering as most people would be
@BuddhaAtTheGasPump Thanks for all these fascinating interviews, Rick. I appreciate them enormously. Cheers.
Nice, very enjoyable interview. Thank you for this series, I had no idea there were so many people awakening. Every week I´m waiting for the new interview...
Thank you you two. Brilliant. xxxx
first time Ive heard of Lisa, loved the talk!
Rick, I love you so much. Thank you so much for interviewing these people. I laugh so much watching and listening to Lisa. :D
The end of this was so lovely
Thank you Lisa and Rick.
Another excellent interview.....Thank You!!!
love this description vs prescription thing... i also always see that... love the resonance...
Huh, pretty good; surprised I watched the whole thing. It was worth it for her remark about expecting some certain phrase or situation to be a trigger alone. I've had that sort of idea of a 'magic phrase' for a long time, and hadn't realized how much I invested in it.
What Lisa tries to say can be summarized by the Way of Mastery:
Love (or I AM) allows all things, trusts all things, embraces all things; therefore transcends all things.
The second half of this is much better than the first
thank you , this is so wonderful.....you are wonderful :)
When you are a seeker and become liberated - that is when the seeker is no more.All people are seeking in one way or another. Tony and Lisa are talking about there 'knowing" that happened after seeking stop. Seeking is of the mind/ego = fear.
Something inside knows that this speaking is thruth. Even if it cannot be spoken about.
Thank you!
namastè...very interesting interview as always!
fantastic, thanks!
what i like alwyas best are the comments, especially of those that dont get it, enormous fun
Lisa, you are beautiful, thank you
thank you Lisa
its MUCH better if you dont scroll the comments. trust me, they suck you into other people's ego/mental world.
I'm just startin to learn youtube is much better without ever looking. just full screen it and move from vid to vid
my 2 cents
oh ok
Indeed, it is about happiness and not about the economy!
I would not focus so much on 'end of suffering' and instead look in the direction of happiness and joy.
Feels happier and lighter :)
I'd imagine any meditative practitioner worth listening to would know better than to sleep with his students.
Lot of talk about beliefs.... The problem with beliefs is that they limit ones options ... Ones beliefs create a wall that keeps out new data and possibilities.. . Keep an open mind and be skeptical..... Thanks for the interview....
life is continuous flow so it is constant joyful. without recollecting of past and future.
Yeah I'll be awakening in the morning
The thing about the meditation and Drug theory - is that it is still not the "people doing" certain things - like they have a choice (who makes them think that way? Why do different thoughts "come" to different people.)- it is all still consciousness - what is interesting is that both groups are looking for liberation or some kind of fulfillment. I have seen alcoholics all of a sudden waken. Like I said all people are seeking for fulfillment in one way or another.
Thank you for your answer, Rovingdesertfox.
The question was rhetorical really: If the so-called separate self has supposedly disappeared then there is no "here" from where seeing can take place. There is loving boundlessness only. It is seen that there was never anyone there in the first place who could ever disappear.
All is One; nothing but the Beloved.
on top of the mountain there is no mountain and no people . a strong feeling that i am .
This is a great interview, and Lisa is indeed a wonderful, vibrant teacher. I will add, however, that it is very popular these days for people to get a powerful glimpse of nonduality, and then rush off into being a "guru" or give Satsangs, and many of these people still call another HUMAN "my teacher," thus contradicting their own non-dual teachings when they repeatedly say "apparent," yet then "give their power away" and put another on a pedestal as "my teacher."
It has been said: There is only This, but This includes This.
Love this Rick. Maybe interview your wife one day 🤓💖
Dear Rick, from my view what is causative during the spiritual path is that there is an increasingly stripping away of false beliefs. This includes the belief in causation. It is that simple. We have to understand that what is happening during the practices is the stripping away of ignorance. It's not that the stripping away of ignorance "causes" awakening. The stripping away of clouds does not "cause" the sun to come into existence. It just makes the sunlight plain to see.
Also science is finding out that our actions are known a 1/2sec before we "think" them.
NewNow4u that's when you believe consciousness is in the body, and of the body! basically you say i'm the body and nothing to do with the divine, therefore i have no free will
Great interview! I would also love to see an interview with Panache Desai ;) thanks
What is light? Gods thoughts is his light and our light. And the light that shines in you is what creates dreams and causes suffering. The end of suffering is not turning out the light. Stanley Clarke (Don't Turn The Lights Out)
Cause and effect in connection - knock on ripples in a blanket. Makes you want to pull the dining cloth from under the plates.
A really wonderful interview. Thanks Rick and Lisa. I like that Lisa does not know. Maybe that's what Jesus meant when he said 'seek and yee shall fine' ,seek without any knowledge or preconception or any idea whatsoever that you know anything. Maybe. Great interview - Namaste Both of you.
I think the paradox boils down to "free will."
"Your will is your salvation because it is the same as God's. The separation is nothing more than the belief that it is different." - ":A Course In Miracles"
@luminoushedgehog Agreed. Sun was always shining, but easier to see without the clouds. Many ways to thin or remove the clouds.
The here is in your question. When the questions have ended, the game is over.
Ur a drummer? Very cool. I like the way you mention song lyrics from old school bands at times, and also your fascination with paradox.
@SimonKarlos0 Calling a certain person "my teacher" does not necessarily mean they are on a pedestal. The teacher helped the person to realize the nondual. It's just a simple word to describe a process of learning that happened. :)
@SimonKarlos0 Sure, many will acknowledge this. The affirmation that each is a holy encounter is from A Course in Miracles. It is a beautiful truth that all are students and teachers of God. Yet the Course also distinguishes that there are advanced teachers of God who play a special role in helping others. It does not contradict the equality.
Thanks for the interview and challenging the ideas presented. What I don't understand is, on what level exactly is there no "cause and effect". Is there any scientific basis to this? I think one can believe certain notions to be true or untrue to avoid suffering but living with reality the way it is, is the challenge.
@luminoushedgehog Sure I can. On more manifest levels, we distinguish between physiologies, paths, etc., all the time. If we didn't, we couldn't function. On the unmanifest level, of course, there are no such distinctions. In fact, there are no things.
Soo interesting!!. According to Libet, action comes first thinking later. see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience_of_free_will. What a breath of fresh air you are Lisa.
The talk about levels and their paradox is in the end the same thing in one:ness.
@luminoushedgehog You can pull a table by any of its legs and the rest of the table comes along. There are many ways to God/Self realization, including the physiological.
@luminoushedgehog
Ah yes, I appreciate your insights. :) Yes, everything I stated is merely opinion/belief/presumption. In regards to the idea of "my teacher," it is wise to realize that EVERYONE "helped the person to realize the nondual," as you said, and not just one person. Recognize that each and every being that you encounter is your "teacher" in this sense, because ultimately each and every being is appreciated EQUALLY for helping you grow, expand in consciousness, and awaken. :)
dear mikeyo1234 - what are you talking about? if you can open your heart and listen to lisa she is the absolute heart of awakening. don't miss this!
because it's normal to like truth and want to dispel falsehood
Looking at this interview the 2nd time in 2016...I can not help seeing a "young, pretty girl" With everything to live for.Who enjoys life. ( and why not ) But turns it into something..it maybe is not?
For every For every extraordinary claim there is an equal and opposite doubt. .
ls there a light bulb to begin with? Without light , People start to get restless, Funny enough, most people .criticize the interviewer , for examining the "source of light" rather then checking the quality of the light source...
.( Yes i am aware that i stretch your metaphor to the max ;- )
the only different I see between these "awakened" people and anyone else I've seen in conversation is that these two seem a bit more unhinged and desperate.
Good use of "render unto Caesar..."!
47.34 what was that big word you threw in there Rick ?
The direct experience of Awareness shows us that the individual is illusory.
Awareness is enlightened.
The duality of the world shows us that duality is lived via the human experience.
Both are true. You are a Universal-individual or Unividual.
Only the mind seeks a definitive and final answer.
nakedbeing.blogspot.co.uk
does everybody passes as enlightened teacher now a days?
yes
Only if they are looking for a career.
Discernment. Dispassion. Tranquility. Yearning. The Ripe Mind- go back to Shankara, R. Maharshi, Nasirgadatta...........By their fruits you will know them. She cannot explain or transmit it because she don't got it.
I tend to agree with Rick about the effectiveness of meditation--but that agreement is subject to change
Also who decides? If you look for the one who decides - you can not find it- So you think you decided to meditate - but it really just happens.
You're too interested in your own thoughts. We came to hear Lisa primarily.
I think Greg Goode should be required reading to cut through this "levels" talk... Physics is a tool - it works. Same with language. If you're going to say "we can't say there's enlightenment/reincarnation/cause-effect because that concept isn't absolute/real", well... how can you say/do anything without concepts, then? What about the concept of catching a train on time to get to a certain destination? How do you get through the day? You use the concepts and admit their limitations; you don't clumsily try to use concepts without using them or ringfence certain concepts as "mere concepts obscuring the truth". When I say "God", I know what I mean.
The "cause-effect dynamic" Lisa takes issue with - I use it, I'm not used by it. That's why I don't have to ringfence it as a problem concept and talk in the third person.
you ever read the book by DAN Millman? it was about a wise ole sage named (nicknamed Socrates)
who had some bhudda like ways and wisdom, who taught a younger protégé about spirituality, personal
enlightenment, and how to view life, in a more positive,empowering way.? name of the book? Way of the Peaceful Warrior,
by Dan Millman (which has nothing to do with war by the way, ha.
I'd say that the relative is just as real as the absolute. Our thoughts or beliefs about either one create the dream or the illusion. Even the distinction between absolute and relative is ultimately of the mind, thus illusion.
ever consider interviewing Gregg Braden or Tom Cambell?
they seem to be 2 other very brilliant guys trying to (in a sense)to
merge a bit of science(quantum), spirituality, and personal enlightenment.
Tom is scheduled. See batgap.com/future-interviews/upcoming-interviews/. Gregg is on the list.
Wow! your really ontop of thangs, Thanks for that, Your talkin' to the right folks Rick, ROCKUTH on!
yes, I went to the future interviews page, and must agree with person who commented there, Teal Swann (Teal Scott) would be awesome as well. kudos and Namaste.
"Rick-ing" and "Lisa-ing" just happened for 100 minutes. And then commenting on youtube happened.
There is Doing - but there is No Doer. Who decides to wake up? I mean that seems to happen on its own.
IMHO being liberated does not necessitate deep wisdom of life...
really great inrerview. Rick, I do not think you talk too much. You are a favorite interviewer of mine. but hopefully that won't move you one way or the other ;) even if I were to curse you. :)
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Hey Rick, you should listen to Alan Watts lectures he explains perfectly what you are trying to figure out. Cause and Effect are one thing only that's why there isn't a cause and effect as we see it. IS part of the same "thing" like saying how do you know red is red? because you need the Not red to know whats red. Same goes with everything. We have a "separative" vision of life, and that's the way to start seeing it as one. listen to Watts he is the greatest at explaining this!
Lisa Cairns says, like many a non-dualist, "here" or "from here it is seen", instead of the mutually and subtly understood "I" or "I see".
Question: Where is this "Here" from where she is apparently seeing and speaking?
The I amness my I am just wants cruelty not to be there i struggle with all forms of cruelty although i dont dwell on it as much as i did more people need to come to awareness quickly get rid of the egoic mind come to the ultimate loving truth.
this girl is cute... beautiful eyes
Rick's missus says 'cool it, you're getting too animated'. This is actually the kind of world these people live in. There's another video where some old hippy friend of Rick's tells him that he's enlightened and he says 'Oh thank you very much! I love watching the videos though, you couldn't make it up, funny stuff.
Niall Bourke Mind telling me which one that is (hippy friend)? I don't recall saying that.
Rick Archer I honestly can't Rick, I'd say it was maybe three years ago. I remember the girl to be in her 60's I'd say and I seem to remember stuff about entities/angels and some particular type of energy, she then goes on to mention about how many enlightened people there are in the world at the moment, including yourself and you reply 'oh thank you very much' You'd be in a better position then myself to have look for it.
Niall Bourke I think that was Rose Rosetree. She has an "enlightened people" list that includes George Clooney and others, including me. I guess I was flattered or taken aback when she said it, but believe me, I'm not enlightened by my definition. Far from it. There are many degrees of awakening and many are progressing through them, but very few in this world have traversed them all and are worthy of the term "enlightenment".
Rick Archer She has an enlightened people list? Yep, I guess she does.
lol "i would only care about animal cruelty if I was shown it. How nice! Sounds like the most selfish POV i could imagine. She literally just said she's adopted an out of sight out of mind POV.
+grubbymanz Whats yours
+Tempest 89 living by my intuitive values and trying to help the world, even though I know in the eyes of the universe there is no ethical and non-ethical, good or bad, etc. But I have these preferences and am alive and therefore will guide my actions by them. professionally I'm in the healthcare field and work with underserved populations bc of them.
+grubbymanz well it just pops in your mind more than in hers. thats all. you and her are not at all contradicting each other. Anyways. im not her follower or anything and i have not listened much but she seems kinda not totally sure and stuff, ill admit.
i think it's just that the new-age, quasi-buddhism maxims of "live in the now" and "suspend judgement of your experience" can be good, but if you really are only doing that you can't really follow any big picture values, or accomplish larger things which take planning and foresight.
Thats a good point actually.. But yeah with all due respect and having not watched a lot of vids of her recently she seems to just regurgitate and moonlight other speakers. Or not idk. So i wouldnt take it any seriously.
@BuddhaAtTheGasPump My friend, can you draw any line that isolates a cause called physiological? How can the separation be made by which you can distinguish a certain path? There is no true separating out of paths. Says 'me' :)
new agers misuse quantum mechanical concepts to a completely ignorant degree.
+Jeff Royer I'm a med student who studied upper level physics in undergrad and know many Phd physicists and also listen to what experts in the field say and also study the human body in depth and the relevant biochemistry to our brains and bodies.
+Jeff Royer nice shoot the messenger fallacy, textbook! www.theguardian.com/science/2005/may/16/g2.science
there's a link to about 20 physicists saying the same thing, if you're not able to actually argue any ideas. With any amount of research you can find 1000s more. Start with the references below the article on Quantum Mysticism (pseudoscience) on Wiki.
quantum physics is an idea from 100 years ago. The fact is all of the observations from the double slit exp. that led to QM have only ever been observed at the subatomic level, in our material plane, classical physics, biochem, and materialism are all we've ever seen playing a role in human consciousness. You don't change anything by belief other than neural pathways in your own brain. Also, the quantum mystics use the copenhagen interpretation of the QM observations, that's only one of many postulations to explain the double slit exp and entanglement phenomena. Science is based on the observed, new age nonsense is just religion by other names. Prayer=manifestation etc.
pls i need to be in touch with lisa cairns? can somebody please give me her email or mobile number? please hurry? my email is cesd_1@yahoo.com my name is vishnu
+vishnu bhatnagar her email is on her website, under script writing.
can some one pls give me lisas email or mobile number pls? i have been looking for her all my life???? my email is cesd_1@yahoo.com pls hurry!!!!
A schizophrenic believes the imagined characters to be real. He/she believes that there are real people talking to them and about to poison their food, for example.
In a way, believing the dream to be real is schizophrenia while knowing that the dream is a dream is the awakened Mind.
Rick is asking a very good question in the beginning and she does not understand it. My God, is this really going to be so fucked up the rest of it?
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Did you listen to anything she said? Or did you have your conditioned blinders on the whole time?
who is it that's knowing the truth?
both seem so locked in their point of view and judgment. not good or bad just keeps the identity trumping the other experience they seek. perhaps let go of both judgments and pov and ease into enlightenment and when the self re-emerges your explanation of the experience is likely but not iron clad truth.
Creating separate self is the root of all metal disease.
The non dual path they have chosen is valid but they are not realizing it is throwing them in a chaotic "baby state" of conciousness. Realising you are not a "me" is just a one way ticket, the return ticket is to realised that you are in charge of that "me", most non dual teachers are lost in translations when it comes to post awakening, it will change, it is a start.
+Calwen Dreamkeeper I don't believe most non dual teachers are "lost in translation". Lisa may sound like she's in a "baby state" of consciousness, but she's simply describing reality from the ultimate perspective. She could also describe reality from the common, unawakened perspective, where "she" (meaning the body/mind called Lisa) is in charge (and most likely does in everyday life). There is no second realization. Only deepening of the first.
Awakening is not realization and those who are still sleeping are easily confused. Awakening does not imply wisdom nor does it implies true group consciousness which is the natural state of consciousness of entities working as one to a common goal. The lower self is not in charge of anything, he suffers because he tries to control everything. Awareness, "what IS", is the One "in charge" of the substance and until every cell of that substance is impregnated and finely tuned to the Presence of "what IS", there is no realization. The role played by individuals like Lisa Cairns or Tony Parsons is nevertheless far from negligible, the destructors will come before the constructors and they are both part of the global rebirth happening on this planet. Just don't mistake the first beta wave with "the ultimate", there is a lot more to come. youarepresence.com
Calwen Dreamkeeper I have no disagreement with what you described above. Your wording just baffles me. In your first post, you spoke of awakening as "*Realising* you are not a "me"". What is realising something but a realization?
What you describe as realization in your above post, seems like what usually is called liberation/jivanmukti/moksha, depending on tradition.
+j00f, you are correct to point to that wording confusion. I often, and probably should avoid in the future, use the word realization instead of liberation. In French, we have the transitive form "se realiser" which has a meaning of accomplishment and "realiser" which has the same meaning as in English "to realize" hence my wording. Nevertheless, I am not comfortable with the word "liberation". Liberation can be perceived as a movement upwards, a liberation "from" something. I would rather use the word "transfiguration" which is "a complete change of form or appearance into a more beautiful or spiritual state.". Why looking for a liberation "from" the form when Presence can embrace the form ? Why would the seed of a carrot suddenly stop to embrace its potential of becoming a beautiful carrot ? Essentially substance is Presence, rejecting the ego or the mind is another form of duality , Presence can embrace and include them all. In Presence, everything is transformed and sublimed.
"Group consciousness" would be a massive improvement on egoic consciousness. I am not so interested by any deconstructive attempts past that point, even if it essentially true "somewhere". If you want to make the dream more comfortable for everything and everyone you proceed one step at a time.
Seems like he is interviewing himself.
Yet another 'professional guru' peddling eastern wisdom and basically running a spirituality business. Don't bother with professional gurus. They're in it for the cash, baby. Remember, anyone who makes you laugh is your guru.
Your post begs the question of why you are here to begin with.
saidas108 You're correct x
***** The ones who do this professionally do it full time. They have bills to pay just like all the rest of us. How are they to make a living and support their families if they're on the road continually and doing seminars? It's not like they just sit at home with no pants on raking in the dough with a web cam. Not everyone is Deepak Chopra :)
***** Sorry, but you don't sound like someone who is Self-Realized. I've never met or heard anyone who was say that they were as you do and I've been "at this" for 40 years and have spent a lot of time in India.
"Those who Know don't say and those who say don't Know" and "knowing about something is not Knowing it" comes to mind.
***** Those who are Self-Realized don't speak from the ego telling others they are Self-Realized and could "easily teach it" but it would be "foolish" to do so as if it would beneath you somehow. Sorry, but your words just don't support your claim.
The reference to 40 years wasn't meant to be a treatise on Advaita Vedanta, but as a simple concession to speech. Your parsing of words unnecessarily and sarcastic tone merely prove my point.