❓ *Let me know your questions and I'll find out this week with Garmin at ICAST.* ❗ *CONFIRMED:* • 7ah lead acid battery included • The standalone Livescope LVS32 with GLS10 black box that has been for sale for $999.99 everywhere for almost a year is now either not listed at retailers, or is upped in price to $1499.99 ⭐ *LINKS:* 🔗 Garmin PS22-IF Announcement: at.fish/gxqQi 🔗 Garmin PS22-IF Ice Fishing Bundle: at.fish/PS22-IFBundle 🔗 Garmin PS22-IF Transducer Only: at.fish/PanoptixPS22-IF
When I upgraded my screen and sonar to the 32 I asked an online retailer that did trade ins what my entire 22 with screen setup was for a trade-in and they only wanted to offer $250-300 for everything, so I kept it as a beater/spare setup. That was a few YEARS ago. This is ludicrous of Garmin to be offering this tech/bundle in 2024. For the money, get the 32 or 34 kit, its worth the extra resolution.
I agree. Granted I have not used this 'yet' but the benefit of no-pole while nice I don't think it that big of a difference maker when actually in practice. Plus the step back in detail and clarity on the screen and smaller screen (7" vs 9" & PS22 vs LVS32) is pretty significant. The weight savings is nice, but I think Garmin has some opportunity with an improved lvs32 hole hop setup they could do rather than leaning on the ps22 tech.
The 7ah lead is included. We have already discussed the battery size in this with Garmin. It will not fit the larger size lithium batteries. The ideal battery for this setup will be our 19ah NMC battery. It will be the largest battery to fit this kit and cut out 3lbs.
Nice! Thanks for commenting and already figuring it out! A 19ah NMC will run this thing for a solid day (almost 24 hours based on the specs I am seeing) vs that 7ah lead acid for MAYBE 5 hours. Plus that is like a 20-25% weight reduction 👀
Lvs34 has 5 beam on foward facing, I picked up ultra 126sv and summit shuttle and lithium battery 32amp 14.8vdc it runs 10 plus hours . Love it and set up for open water and ice .
for your 15 lb Livescope setup, what screen, battery and shuttle are you running on it? Those are the only variables that you can change to cut weight...I built a LVS12 with a 106sv hole hopper shuttle and it weighs 12 lbs...
I think Garmin dropped the ball on us ice fisherman ! $2K for this old tec , $2600 for the icefishing lvs32 at scheels , and $3200 for the lvs 34 at cabelas ! The ability to use a unit for summer and winter fishing is a must ! And using a lead acid battery is just nutz nowadays ! Wouldn’t buy this unit for any amount of cash !!!
I could see it as a unit intended to kill the flasher market (MarCum, Vexilar, etc.), but it needs to be significantly less expensive. I agree with your points though
I was lucky enough try this unit last winter although it is the ps-22 technology it’s a great unit to pair with the lvs34 or 32. Basically you use it as a vexilar or marcum flasher. You find the schools/fish with the 34 or 32 then hole hop/sharp shoot with this unit. I found it to be very beneficial and easier to get on fast moving schools with.
Shoot! I'm envious!😊 Interesting way to use it, I also thought of it as a product intended to compete and kill the flasher competition. Using it in conjunction with an LVS34 (or I guess a 32) could make sense, but that seems like a lot of $$$ for multiple setups when most fishermen use 1 much lower-priced setup today. Maybe this is a niche product? Maybe an introductory product to get people to jump from the flasher over? Either way, $2000 for this setup is at least $500 too high in my opinion. Without a bag, you can buy a secondhand screen make make this setup for ~$1400. Thanks for commenting and your feedback & thoughts!
What’s the beam angle on the livescope options? The 50 degree beam angle on this panoptix catches my attention a little bit as a potential substitute for my mega 360.
Sorry I missed the live but not a fan of price point can land a Black Friday deal on an lvs32 bundle for same or less. I appreciate the concept though for hole hopping I would love it for that if price was less. I currently use live scope then hole hop with 6” uhd with gt10
While I think the idea of a lens to change from wide to narrow is neat, I don’t see this product doing well at this price point. I also don’t see a a dangling transducer working well in current based lakes like Erie. You think they would have went with lithium for actual weight savings. Feels like steps in the wrong direction. I’ll stick with my lvs34 on the summit shuttle that gets year round use with my larmac and dock in the boat. I’ll take a few extra pounds so I can drill one hole, scout out over a hundred feet find fish then drill less holes.
it seems like the "lens" idea should be applicable to the LVS32/34... so does it just block out the top & bottom portions of the PS22-IF transducer face and only allow the middle portion to scan with?
Great question! I don't have a definitive answer, but I'll find out for you. My current understanding is that the lens works similarly to a magnifying glass or a pair of glasses. It essentially focuses the sonar beams into a more concentrated area, rather than allowing the beams to spread out over a wider area without the lens. This focusing effect helps to improve the resolution and accuracy of the sonar readings in the targeted region. However, I'll try and get confirmation on the specifics of how it functions this week with Garmin at ICAST and put out a video with more details.
@@sampowell9061 yeah looks like it is! And cuts 0.4 lbs from the 73sv. I can't imagine a smaller than 7" display for live imaging, but hey, it does say it should work
So here it goes. This technology transforms Ice Fishing into something else... The unit takes over and fishing comes second. No way anything on the ice should cost 2000 dollars or more. Except of course whatever vehicle you use to get around. I've fished with guys that have similar units and they are nearly 100% focused on that alone.
People forget the PS-22 does not need a black box and is still very useful when in down-vu mode. Especially if you fishing lake trout, the 22 is way better than the 32 and still better than the 34 when fishing deeper water which in turn make it a versatile transducer. From a compact hole hoping perspective this is defiantly an excellent setup. To write off PS-22 as old tech or not useful I think is a mistake. If you have a 73sv or 93sv, you can buy a $4-500 transducer used and be in the Panoptix game, instead of a more substantial investment in livescope. That said, I don't like the price...... the PS-22 is a gateway drug..... make it more affordable to get people hooked on Panoptix and in turn LVS eventually... its how they got me! Lol
No black box is VERY nice to have! Very good point about lower price point to enter using ps22 for forward facing rather than the more expensive livescope systems - if only it was 25% less expensive
I have the UHD 93 SV… i’ve never fished with a live scope before… But always have wanted to for ice fishing. I just don’t know whether getting this PS 22 transducer would actually be worth it or would it be better to stick with the LVS 32. Like I wanna do this once. I’m just worried about making a mistake and not being happy. I hear the clarity and the separation is like night and day between the PS 22 and LVS 32??
Why waste money on ps22... when you can get a 32 that's wayyyyyyy better... idk what garmin is doing... really ps22 kit for 2k??? I get it no need for the pole but I rather carry the pole and have better imaging.
Learn to actually fish and you wont have to spend 2 grand to find fish.... i will just keep my $130 striker 4 ... does the job and wife wont make me sleep in my truck for spending 2 plus grand on a overpriced video game unit... LOL...
❓ *Let me know your questions and I'll find out this week with Garmin at ICAST.*
❗ *CONFIRMED:*
• 7ah lead acid battery included
• The standalone Livescope LVS32 with GLS10 black box that has been for sale for $999.99 everywhere for almost a year is now either not listed at retailers, or is upped in price to $1499.99
⭐ *LINKS:*
🔗 Garmin PS22-IF Announcement: at.fish/gxqQi
🔗 Garmin PS22-IF Ice Fishing Bundle: at.fish/PS22-IFBundle
🔗 Garmin PS22-IF Transducer Only: at.fish/PanoptixPS22-IF
When I upgraded my screen and sonar to the 32 I asked an online retailer that did trade ins what my entire 22 with screen setup was for a trade-in and they only wanted to offer $250-300 for everything, so I kept it as a beater/spare setup. That was a few YEARS ago. This is ludicrous of Garmin to be offering this tech/bundle in 2024. For the money, get the 32 or 34 kit, its worth the extra resolution.
I agree. Granted I have not used this 'yet' but the benefit of no-pole while nice I don't think it that big of a difference maker when actually in practice. Plus the step back in detail and clarity on the screen and smaller screen (7" vs 9" & PS22 vs LVS32) is pretty significant. The weight savings is nice, but I think Garmin has some opportunity with an improved lvs32 hole hop setup they could do rather than leaning on the ps22 tech.
The 7ah lead is included. We have already discussed the battery size in this with Garmin. It will not fit the larger size lithium batteries. The ideal battery for this setup will be our 19ah NMC battery. It will be the largest battery to fit this kit and cut out 3lbs.
Nice! Thanks for commenting and already figuring it out! A 19ah NMC will run this thing for a solid day (almost 24 hours based on the specs I am seeing) vs that 7ah lead acid for MAYBE 5 hours. Plus that is like a 20-25% weight reduction 👀
Lvs34 has 5 beam on foward facing, I picked up ultra 126sv and summit shuttle and lithium battery 32amp 14.8vdc it runs 10 plus hours . Love it and set up for open water and ice .
So can you run a clear vu open water transducer on this unit?
for your 15 lb Livescope setup, what screen, battery and shuttle are you running on it? Those are the only variables that you can change to cut weight...I built a LVS12 with a 106sv hole hopper shuttle and it weighs 12 lbs...
I'll be posting the video today and will have that all detailed of course 😊 Stay tuned
I think Garmin dropped the ball on us ice fisherman ! $2K for this old tec , $2600 for the icefishing lvs32 at scheels , and $3200 for the lvs 34 at cabelas ! The ability to use a unit for summer and winter fishing is a must ! And using a lead acid battery is just nutz nowadays ! Wouldn’t buy this unit for any amount of cash !!!
I could see it as a unit intended to kill the flasher market (MarCum, Vexilar, etc.), but it needs to be significantly less expensive. I agree with your points though
I was lucky enough try this unit last winter although it is the ps-22 technology it’s a great unit to pair with the lvs34 or 32. Basically you use it as a vexilar or marcum flasher. You find the schools/fish with the 34 or 32 then hole hop/sharp shoot with this unit. I found it to be very beneficial and easier to get on fast moving schools with.
Shoot! I'm envious!😊
Interesting way to use it, I also thought of it as a product intended to compete and kill the flasher competition. Using it in conjunction with an LVS34 (or I guess a 32) could make sense, but that seems like a lot of $$$ for multiple setups when most fishermen use 1 much lower-priced setup today. Maybe this is a niche product? Maybe an introductory product to get people to jump from the flasher over? Either way, $2000 for this setup is at least $500 too high in my opinion. Without a bag, you can buy a secondhand screen make make this setup for ~$1400.
Thanks for commenting and your feedback & thoughts!
I wonder if the cable has a flat side to it to keep it inline.
That would make sense, but in all the pictures and videos it didn't look like it
🤔Garmin ECHOMAP UHD2 93sv LiveScope Bundle Fish Finder is 1999.99 at Scheels
What’s the beam angle on the livescope options? The 50 degree beam angle on this panoptix catches my attention a little bit as a potential substitute for my mega 360.
I wonder if the transducer lens is floating or not?
Yes it is floating
Sorry I missed the live but not a fan of price point can land a Black Friday deal on an lvs32 bundle for same or less. I appreciate the concept though for hole hopping I would love it for that if price was less. I currently use live scope then hole hop with 6” uhd with gt10
Agreed on price point! And nice hole hop setup 👍 I've got a 73cv and striker 4 hole hop setup with gt10, very similar!
My panoptix option on the menu disappeared how do i get it back
While I think the idea of a lens to change from wide to narrow is neat, I don’t see this product doing well at this price point. I also don’t see a a dangling transducer working well in current based lakes like Erie. You think they would have went with lithium for actual weight savings. Feels like steps in the wrong direction. I’ll stick with my lvs34 on the summit shuttle that gets year round use with my larmac and dock in the boat.
I’ll take a few extra pounds so I can drill one hole, scout out over a hundred feet find fish then drill less holes.
I agree!
it seems like the "lens" idea should be applicable to the LVS32/34... so does it just block out the top & bottom portions of the PS22-IF transducer face and only allow the middle portion to scan with?
Great question! I don't have a definitive answer, but I'll find out for you. My current understanding is that the lens works similarly to a magnifying glass or a pair of glasses. It essentially focuses the sonar beams into a more concentrated area, rather than allowing the beams to spread out over a wider area without the lens. This focusing effect helps to improve the resolution and accuracy of the sonar readings in the targeted region. However, I'll try and get confirmation on the specifics of how it functions this week with Garmin at ICAST and put out a video with more details.
I can't wait to see this compared to the $999 Lawrence eagle eye.
Lightest Livescope set up. Lvs32, black box, echomap uhd2 63cv. Garmin shuttle and pole, 7.5ah amped outdoors battery
63cv unfortunately does not work with livescope
@@AlexTimm the new uhd2 63sv is what I meant which is compatible I am pretty sure.
@@sampowell9061 yeah looks like it is! And cuts 0.4 lbs from the 73sv. I can't imagine a smaller than 7" display for live imaging, but hey, it does say it should work
@@AlexTimmI wonder how much weight differences between the 63cv or 73sv?
something similar probably coming out for the 32 and 34 soon. no more poles
Ice fishing is sure getting complicated and expensive. I still use my old lx5 and hole hop. Really enjoy it and get plenty of fish.
I’m sure the new livescope is gonna have all theses features with the livescope, people should just wait
Why is Garmin going backwards
It is a bit crazy they didn't do this or something with livescope. My guess is they will start here then go to livescope
So here it goes. This technology transforms Ice Fishing into something else... The unit takes over and fishing comes second. No way anything on the ice should cost 2000 dollars or more. Except of course whatever vehicle you use to get around. I've fished with guys that have similar units and they are nearly 100% focused on that alone.
People forget the PS-22 does not need a black box and is still very useful when in down-vu mode. Especially if you fishing lake trout, the 22 is way better than the 32 and still better than the 34 when fishing deeper water which in turn make it a versatile transducer. From a compact hole hoping perspective this is defiantly an excellent setup. To write off PS-22 as old tech or not useful I think is a mistake. If you have a 73sv or 93sv, you can buy a $4-500 transducer used and be in the Panoptix game, instead of a more substantial investment in livescope. That said, I don't like the price...... the PS-22 is a gateway drug..... make it more affordable to get people hooked on Panoptix and in turn LVS eventually... its how they got me! Lol
No black box is VERY nice to have! Very good point about lower price point to enter using ps22 for forward facing rather than the more expensive livescope systems - if only it was 25% less expensive
If it was $1200 i would buy...its kind of a niche setup..but enticing in function. .just not in bang for buck
I like the idea but they are going backwards with the ps22 they should’ve made a 34 version instead.
I would have appreciated a livescope version, I just don't know if they solved for no black box yet for livescope so they decided to start here?
I have the UHD 93 SV… i’ve never fished with a live scope before… But always have wanted to for ice fishing. I just don’t know whether getting this PS 22 transducer would actually be worth it or would it be better to stick with the LVS 32. Like I wanna do this once. I’m just worried about making a mistake and not being happy. I hear the clarity and the separation is like night and day between the PS 22 and LVS 32??
Get a 32 or 64 , hard to mark fish close to bottom with a 22
Good stuff
$2,000 for Atari 2600 level blobs on screen technology... no thanks...
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Them using old tech is ridiculous. And that price is insane. Do better garmin!!
Why waste money on ps22... when you can get a 32 that's wayyyyyyy better... idk what garmin is doing... really ps22 kit for 2k??? I get it no need for the pole but I rather carry the pole and have better imaging.
I agree with you
I’m gonna pass on this one and wait for the LVS36. Disappointing Garmin.
👀 lvs36 sounds 🔥
Na
They are so desperate to move ps22's they make this...
Old dated PS22.....yeah no thanks. I will hole hop with a flasher.
Learn to actually fish and you wont have to spend 2 grand to find fish.... i will just keep my $130 striker 4 ... does the job and wife wont make me sleep in my truck for spending 2 plus grand on a overpriced video game unit... LOL...
If you found what works for you that's what matters