Make that ceiling load bearing, it will serve as storage then, or as a light office. Not going to be much extra cost, and as a bonus being able to walk on it is a big bonus when you want to do changes. For AC condensate pumps are very cheap, and will easily pump up to past the ceiling height for the drain line to run, and having the ability to walk out to clean it is a big bonus for the AC guy when he wants to service the lines. They only need power fed to them, a 10A socket nearby, and will switch off automatically when dry, though you will need to have access to them for regular cleaning, as they do pick up all the goop that grows in the condensate water, which is an amalgam of dust, skin and anything else like smoke that gets caught by the fins, which makes it the perfect bacterial growth media. When doing the insulation please also include that roller shutter door, at the least an air curtain across it at the expected opening height, and then a strip curtain as well, which will provide a dead space to keep the inside from experiencing big air changes when the door is opened. Cheap one at 3m will work well, plus easy to install, and then use the ceiling people to put a set of boards from the air curtain and barrier support to the roof, and insulate the inside of that as well, so that your top does not have to cope with the heat load and heat loss through the steel door panels. Before you do so though get a door service, while it is easy to get to it, so the springs can be cleaned and relubricated, and the chains as well, with the channels cleaned out and lubricated with a dry lubricant that will keep the dust from sticking, but make it easier to open the door.
The moment I make it something I can walk on and store things on etc, I'm basically extending the mezzanines and have to go through council permits and approval, structural engineering designs, landlord permission - all of which will take months. A simple ceiling just to enclose the area is the quickest (and cheapest) thing I can do.
Ran into that same problem the other day trying to help a friend move house, the trolley he hired didn't have big enough wheels to walk the fridge up the stairs.
Very nice, Seon. Wish I could be there to lend a hand. I'll send happy thoughts, though. (A lot of good that will do when you have to haul gypsum board upstairs)
Seon consider a ceiling grid, cheaper easier to demolish / remove at end of lease. Cable tray or catenery wires for support of cable / refrig lines. No it wont be load bearing but if a piece of equip needs to be supported above ceiling this can be achieved by bracket off wall / post below / hung from purlins... it also allows access to any area from below by lifting a ceiling tile. Lighting needs to be factored in too so 1200 x 300 led panels again are probably the best $$ value per lux and being std size means 1. cheap 2. you can sell em if you move.
Prioritize where the stress is, if it's lost production, focus on getting the line up and running. You can always do everything else in a less stressful state. Been there and got through it. Good luck mate.
Line can't go in until electrical work is done and HVAC is in. That can't happen until the ceiling is solved. So that's where my focus is, and while I wait, I'm fitting out the up-stairs area.
Sounds like new space is progressing nicely. You know you could just put sliding class panels on that upstairs wall to create barrier between two aircon zones. Can see and wont hinder light much and you can even open them if needed.
Whatever I pout is going to need framing above and below... but class/clear sliding doors sound great, but will be VEERY expensive for the size I need.
Good luck Seon. Big job ahead. But it will happen. Split systems these days have pumps so the water issue will not be a problem. When you get time one day, it would be nice if you did a basic diagram of your network system with the 10G backbone etc. Curious on how its setup. Cheers.
For some reason I thought you'd gone live, and I got all excited xD Still, new video, exciting for that reason :D I love watching renovation videos, so I really can't wait to see how this series progresses! Midlife crisis?! You look like you're in your thirties, if a day! Stay awesome Seon, look after yourself :)
if you use a pump, make sure you have a safe overflow in case the pump fails. we had ours in the drop ceiling coming from the split head. several times the pump failed (once a power issue, once the hose clogged, and once a plumber pinched the line when fixing another issue.)
@@samplesandtests We have ours setup to signal our alarm system and shut off if the float level gets too high. Most pumps have no/nc terminals to allow for this
even if the cost is too high to make it weight bearing now, you may want to design it so if the time comes where you need the space it could modified without too much disruption. you never know if you need to scale up.
Making a load bearing ceiling now will require council permits (weeks to months) and much higher cost as it would be considered an extension of the mezzanine. Building regs in Aus SUCK!
@@UnexpectedMaker Just make the beams bigger, not load bearing, but so you can at least walk across. That way service work to things "out there" are easier, and you do not have to pull ceiling tiles down every 6 months to do things like blow out AC condensate liners, or to run a new cable, or change out a network cable. You can even then mount the AP on the top, and not have it visible from below, or act like a dust collector.
Sure, I never said I'll make it flimsy :) It needs to strong enough to be "worked on" - but walking across it (the entirety of it) is out of scope here I think - but I'm waiting to get some tradies down to talk though what's possible. If I can get it strong enough to walk over, without having to go permits, then sure!
I've answered this a few times...Extending the mezzanine requires landlord permission (doubtful), engineering drawings (expensive), council permits (months delay), and of course would be super expensive to build. I also don't need the extra floor space.
But it goes up, not down. Exhaust goes up out of the roof. Water doesn't go up, it goes down. Down goes back into the exhaust fan in the bathroom.. not to some ground level drain or external exit.
Make that ceiling load bearing, it will serve as storage then, or as a light office. Not going to be much extra cost, and as a bonus being able to walk on it is a big bonus when you want to do changes. For AC condensate pumps are very cheap, and will easily pump up to past the ceiling height for the drain line to run, and having the ability to walk out to clean it is a big bonus for the AC guy when he wants to service the lines. They only need power fed to them, a 10A socket nearby, and will switch off automatically when dry, though you will need to have access to them for regular cleaning, as they do pick up all the goop that grows in the condensate water, which is an amalgam of dust, skin and anything else like smoke that gets caught by the fins, which makes it the perfect bacterial growth media.
When doing the insulation please also include that roller shutter door, at the least an air curtain across it at the expected opening height, and then a strip curtain as well, which will provide a dead space to keep the inside from experiencing big air changes when the door is opened. Cheap one at 3m will work well, plus easy to install, and then use the ceiling people to put a set of boards from the air curtain and barrier support to the roof, and insulate the inside of that as well, so that your top does not have to cope with the heat load and heat loss through the steel door panels. Before you do so though get a door service, while it is easy to get to it, so the springs can be cleaned and relubricated, and the chains as well, with the channels cleaned out and lubricated with a dry lubricant that will keep the dust from sticking, but make it easier to open the door.
The moment I make it something I can walk on and store things on etc, I'm basically extending the mezzanines and have to go through council permits and approval, structural engineering designs, landlord permission - all of which will take months.
A simple ceiling just to enclose the area is the quickest (and cheapest) thing I can do.
You didn't think I'd forget, did ya? 😁 For your tool budget (or internet or to put towards hiring a locksmith)
Noooo! Was no need to do that mate!
I'm trying to grow my hair long too, but it keeps falling out my chin instead of sticking up out of my head
Looks awesome. Another chapter is starting. Best wishes from the Netherlands!
Hahahahahah That will NEVER get old!
It's comming together !...cheers.
Squeak!
Ran into that same problem the other day trying to help a friend move house, the trolley he hired didn't have big enough wheels to walk the fridge up the stairs.
Looking good Seon. A lot of tough decisions, I'm sure you'll work it out. Take care.
Very nice, Seon. Wish I could be there to lend a hand. I'll send happy thoughts, though. (A lot of good that will do when you have to haul gypsum board upstairs)
Seon consider a ceiling grid, cheaper easier to demolish / remove at end of lease. Cable tray or catenery wires for support of cable / refrig lines. No it wont be load bearing but if a piece of equip needs to be supported above ceiling this can be achieved by bracket off wall / post below / hung from purlins... it also allows access to any area from below by lifting a ceiling tile. Lighting needs to be factored in too so 1200 x 300 led panels again are probably the best $$ value per lux and being std size means 1. cheap 2. you can sell em if you move.
Prioritize where the stress is, if it's lost production, focus on getting the line up and running. You can always do everything else in a less stressful state. Been there and got through it. Good luck mate.
Line can't go in until electrical work is done and HVAC is in. That can't happen until the ceiling is solved. So that's where my focus is, and while I wait, I'm fitting out the up-stairs area.
Nice work Sean. If I wasn't in NSW I would come give you a hand getting that rack up.
NSW is not THAT far away!!! hahaha, thanks mate :)
Sounds like new space is progressing nicely. You know you could just put sliding class panels on that upstairs wall to create barrier between two aircon zones. Can see and wont hinder light much and you can even open them if needed.
Whatever I pout is going to need framing above and below... but class/clear sliding doors sound great, but will be VEERY expensive for the size I need.
FYI. That painters tape doesn't come off nicely if it's left on too long. The green role says '8 days'. Not sure about the blue.
Good luck Seon. Big job ahead. But it will happen. Split systems these days have pumps so the water issue will not be a problem. When you get time one day, it would be nice if you did a basic diagram of your network system with the 10G backbone etc. Curious on how its setup. Cheers.
Network layout is simple. 10GbE Switch out to network points. No switches beyond the rack.
For some reason I thought you'd gone live, and I got all excited xD Still, new video, exciting for that reason :D
I love watching renovation videos, so I really can't wait to see how this series progresses!
Midlife crisis?! You look like you're in your thirties, if a day! Stay awesome Seon, look after yourself :)
30's? wow, I wish - Over half a century!!!
@@UnexpectedMaker Over fifty?! Jesus, I have to say, you don't look it!
@@azyfloof Agreed! Unexpectedly Well-Preserved Maker!
Nice. Looks like progress to me! 😀
Progress of the very slowest kind!
Floor is looking great! Shame about having to build the ceiling in.
Yeah, I know! Oh well, it is what it is.
Just run the ac drain into a condensate pump. If you run dehumidifiers when you are not running the mini splits you can also dump that into the pump.
if you use a pump, make sure you have a safe overflow in case the pump fails. we had ours in the drop ceiling coming from the split head. several times the pump failed (once a power issue, once the hose clogged, and once a plumber pinched the line when fixing another issue.)
@@samplesandtests We have ours setup to signal our alarm system and shut off if the float level gets too high. Most pumps have no/nc terminals to allow for this
Aircon guy is taking care of aircon. I've used him for a long time, and trust him :)
Thanks for update Seon. The non-load bearing 'roof' your installing does sound a waste of space. Is the cost difference that much?
even if the cost is too high to make it weight bearing now, you may want to design it so if the time comes where you need the space it could modified without too much disruption. you never know if you need to scale up.
Making a load bearing ceiling now will require council permits (weeks to months) and much higher cost as it would be considered an extension of the mezzanine. Building regs in Aus SUCK!
@@UnexpectedMaker Just make the beams bigger, not load bearing, but so you can at least walk across. That way service work to things "out there" are easier, and you do not have to pull ceiling tiles down every 6 months to do things like blow out AC condensate liners, or to run a new cable, or change out a network cable. You can even then mount the AP on the top, and not have it visible from below, or act like a dust collector.
Sure, I never said I'll make it flimsy :) It needs to strong enough to be "worked on" - but walking across it (the entirety of it) is out of scope here I think - but I'm waiting to get some tradies down to talk though what's possible. If I can get it strong enough to walk over, without having to go permits, then sure!
@@UnexpectedMaker Get them to make it strong enough for them to walk on it as part of the job, so no ladders needed, then it will be strong enough.
can the condense not go down the soil pipe to the left that you want to box in???
Squeak !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@andymouse Cheese!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's not a soil pipe, it's an exhaust pipe going up through the roof ;)
@@UnexpectedMaker Oh what is it exhausting?is it from the hob extract?
Bathroom exhaust in the shower/toilet.
You should just extend the second floor.
I've answered this a few times...Extending the mezzanine requires landlord permission (doubtful), engineering drawings (expensive), council permits (months delay), and of course would be super expensive to build. I also don't need the extra floor space.
Cant you connect to the pipe you have already for the outdore?
That's an exhaust outlet for the bathroom - it goes up, not down ;)
@@UnexpectedMaker maby put a smallere insite
But it goes up, not down. Exhaust goes up out of the roof. Water doesn't go up, it goes down. Down goes back into the exhaust fan in the bathroom.. not to some ground level drain or external exit.
@@UnexpectedMaker Ohh sorry misunderstod,, i was thinking of air
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