211127 vlive: Jikook/ Kookmin Analysis| Minkook is real?
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
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serendipity piano cover by Jimin of BTS
I need u piano cover by BTS
filter piano cover by Jimin of BTS
Answer: Love Myself by BTS
Dream Glow by BTS
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I think its really funny that majority of the TMIs that Jimin said included Jungkook in it somehow.. How can people say that they "aren't close" when they're constantly rubbing their bond in our faces and telling us information about eachother.
ALSO: I apologize if the text goes too fast please pause if you wish to read the text if it goes by too fast thank you🙃
No problem🥰🥰
@@sun01andmoon13 jikook now are so shameless now 🤭🤗🥰
@@sun01andmoon13 jungkook doesn't give a what😶
@@sun01andmoon13 haha Thank you my friend 😁
@@sun01andmoon13 ok ☺
Here's my TMI, (and I believe a lot of Army's can relate) I wish I had somebody that treats me the way all the members treat each other... and of course find that special person like Jimin & Jungkook treat each other.
I think about this every day!!! I hope you find your person and your true friends
@@lovejimin7612 Thank you so much! I hope you find the same as well 💜
i hope we all find someone what they have for each other.
@@TanniesOT7 Exactly what I'm saying! It's not too much to ask for, right?
VbabucLiknosx🐰🗣️😭
I love how Jikookers are so cautious and put in all the disclaimers but this ship still feels the realest and ligit just shines through 🥺✊
Maybe, just maybe, Jimin felt the need to remind everyone that JK belongs to him (by revealing how often JK is in his room) because he got a little jealous. Like we don't already know they share a room 😆
I'd say that was to let the haters know and to get them to leave tae alone . let them know tae and jk are just friends.
I thought the same …
Ohh darling same here😁😅
It seems to me that I remember that after Jimin spoke about JK always coming so often to his room JK commented under his breath that next time he could go to Taehyung’s room. I thought he got maybe a little hurt that Jimin sounded almost like he was complaining. And I also think, as you had suggested in your vid comments, that Jimin seemed a little hurt that he didn’t know anything about the song, and maybe revealed this in a somewhat retaliatory way. Regardless, I am certain it was resolved quickly because their bond is strong & has so much history. Thank you for your video, I enjoyed it a lot!
@@gmab5960 but it turned out that troublemaker V lied......There was no collab with Jk on the Christmas Song.
Sometimes I feel like they know about the ship and do things like this to poke fun at it just for shits and giggles. But, Honestly Tae suggesting they play the pepero game and Jimin threatening him after his joke solidified everything for me. It was giving bestie making fun of his best friends who are dating. I don’t know if they’re just making jokes to push this narrative for fan service or making fun of the ships, but I don’t see the reason to do so because they’re already so successful and don’t need any extra attention, JiKook is definitely real atp 😂 especially after seeing how obsessed JK was with Jimin and his solo content/their live chats in 2023 they’re barely hiding it now😂😂 also wanted to throw in how stunning Jimin looked in this live
Literally and the fact jk chose jimin to enlist in buddy system is also a confirmation
@@jiminpedia they literally can’t be apart, they’re so in love. Enlisting together was a major commitment and hard launch
@@jiminpedia And they Fuck together in the military kitchen, because they can't stay apart!!! 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
Jikook seriously look like a couple ever since 2020…like yes, they’ve seemed close for a while now but something about the past few years is different about them, and the members reactions around them is obvious as well
when I watched this Vlive, I literally smile though I cant understand a single word they're saying. I just enjoy their laughs and giggles. I'm so inlove with this trio... They are the cutest Maknae line!!!
Lmao i love how after their little discussion that jimin didn't know about , jjmin decided to be like "OK this is my man so lemme remind you who he belongs to " and just proceeded to drop a bomb about how close they are and how jk comes to jimins room everyday almost 24/7🤣💜
@@luvrayn3 how is jiminngetting hate for jk posting a pic with v?😅
@@luvrayn3 no that was wrong.the selfi is at exhibition they all went.i think it confirmed.
@@umayanganee4645 do you realy don't know how much jimin get hate bcz of jk and V selca🤦🤦🤦
@@luvrayn3 though it is surely not a date.and also they can watever they want to post but at least v and jk should get action against hate.V is the main one should talk about against this hate bcz most of them aretea solo stans.
V telling that jimin is his soulmate and he loves jimin most and also we know how much jk loves jimin.but any of them don't do single thing about this hate.soo disappointed at this as an army.
No one should get any hate. And they can't do anything about it cuz try have reasons. We shouldn't interfere but just keep on doing our own thing and support these 7 angels 💜
One more thing to add, we can see that Jimin touched Jungkook A LOT in this live stream, more than the number of times he touched V. It is proven that when you have special feelings for someone, your body would naturally gravitate towards theirs so that you can feel their presence physically.
Exactly. If you notice a lot of the time they are completely facing each other and JKs feelings are al🎉written on his face and by his body language. Jimin is harder to read when he isn't blantonly showing and telling jk how he feels.
It's so true Jimin fell first, but Jungkook fell much harder,❤
8:37 JMs reaction to JKs news reminds me of the last run ep we got where they were picking favorite run eps and Jin mentioned they went to an escape room and JK looked at JM and blurted out when did you go to an escape room? He didn't ask Jin or Hobi, his concern was JM. His reaction seems like he was shocked & maybe felt left out. The two reactions are pretty telling from them both.
Agree- although an escape room is diff than collaborating on a song. I saw Jimin’s expression. He was heart broken 😞. And look at after 11:02 of the live before they had to shut it off Bc of the brand name. Jm looks heart broken and jk looks at the camera with a smile but as soon as he looks at jm through the camera jk expression changes when he saw jm sad face. He stop smiling Bc he k ew he messed up
@@luvrayn3 Jimin was not heart broken, all vlive was pretty cute
Why did they humiliate Jimin for all to see that they wanted each other.You could tell that Jimin knew by them looking at each other that they wanted to be together.It would have been kinder for Junkook to have told Jimin in private when they were on their own.You could tell by Jimins face that he face that he knew.😔☹️
@@susansammons3175 Did we watch the same Vlive?
@@susansammons3175 which vlive is this?
Jikook together since 2016. It’s a thriving relationship and BTS members support it. Private but never a secret. 💜🌈
Since 2015 actually but yeah love them 💜💛
For me. Here's my own personal tots.
1. On tae vlive, tae feel awkward while doing vlive. That's why he decided to call some one to be with him, first things first. He want to have vlive with jimin, but jk won't let JM, Come up on his mind was jk. Why? Well back to privious Tae vlive. If you guys remember, Tae wants to have vlive with JM, but jk doesn't want JM to come. That's why this time he choose jk, but why JM is the one came. Then later jk.
In my own analysis. Jk/JM was in their room eating, hangout together that time when staff came and call jk. But jk let JM go first then later jk follow.
2. About Christmas song jk and Tae talking about. JM feels a little bit awkward and confused. Why he didn't know about the song..you can see of jk face, a little bit basted and shock. And wants to tell Tae "why did you do that, it was me about to tell jm about the song" . Then jimin stares at jk tells." You have a lot of explanation to tell after this vlive"
3. Bout the TMI. It's really more jikook thing, real couple doing things together not gonna lie. Jikook are together..that's all and thank you
I love Tae but I feel like he does provoke Jimin at times to see his reaction.
@@krislee5343 💯
Someone else mentioned it earlier. I can't help but wonder if the song was meant as a special gift for Jimin and Army.
@@krislee5343 I agree with you. I've noticed it in so many instances. That's not to say they don't love each other since they really do.
I think the song was supposed to be a gift for JM, that's why he kept it secret
I had slightly different view or ideas on certain areas/topics.
1. I think JM and JK were together eating chicken, V’s comments sort of indicated he thought JK was not going to show up, and then poof Jimin arrives.
2. A few minutes into V and JM, knock on door, and I think JM knew JK was arriving after him.
3. A lot of fun giggling, and then for some reason V dropped the Christmas song on Jimin. He even said, “like the Christmas song.” JK and JM sang a Christmas song together. (Was V deliberately poking Jimin?)
4. Then Jimin took attitude (rightfully so), JK understood something had gone wrong.
I thought, well, maybe there is no song? Or, it’s a surprise for Jimin?
In any case Jimin’s body language telegraphed to JK, “we are going to talk: ((
Jk moved his soul and his body to be near to Jimin and face the camera “together” he even slipped his hand under Jimin.
My money is on the following
There will be no dinner between JK and V
V will not be joining them working out.
JK is whipped for, and over Jimin - he’s toast.
Speaking about Christmas song and jimin got confused looking at jk.
It was like.---wait until we finish this vlive.
😂😂
Can't help laughing on "He's toast"🤣🤣
@@bettygujilde1616 same🤣🤣🤣
LMAO the 'body language telegraphed' part had me in hysterics. I agree with most of what you said haha. You know how I knew of this live, through seeing a Taekook ship edit & was like say what now, there are 2 ships sharing JK huh, oh no my Jimin's heart might get crushed here coz V is is arguably the most handsome in the group and I worry if JM has to compete with him for JKs affections, he may not come out on top :(
I had to go watch the full video on bts live then watched this one now and thinking argh I hope it isint really a case of competing for JK coz if it is and going by this video with how JM felt kept in the dark on this song that may be coming out between Taekook then I wonder if my fear on this might come true *sighs*
I love them all and their bond but I'd cry for my Jimin if his beautiful heart gets crushed here :/
@Dani's verse.. tae has been writing alot of songs indicated to him having a love intrest or him having feelings for a certain someone(if it was jk he would have got on that plane to Korea with him)
The difference between jikook and taekook is that when the ships got wild and out of hand tae tried to distinguish the fire by claiming him and jk weren't that close anymore
Not only that but my O7 heart broke seeing the clear distance between them last year but all of a sudden their friendship is back and stronger which i love by the way and the difference now is that tae actually does not have a big problem with the taekook thing... he even seems to add fuel to the fire for the taekook ship to sail once again which I'm sure it's a way of him trying to fix that brotherly love him and jk had.. coz i doubt taekook felt good sharing how distant they were from eachother(what we see is tae trying to catch up on the vminkook train not him trying to be in a relationship with jk😂)
While for jikook no matter the hate that jimn got about jk being uncomfortable and all that.. he didn't distance himself from jk to the point of denying their close bond... And what i find intresting is that whenever jk is asked to compliment the members his always using charming and good looking for tae and with Jimn he uses cute reminds me of how jimn would always call jk cute from their debut years... So even if Tae likes jk more than a brother (which i highly doubt) and they decide to fight for his love or whatever i can guarantee that jimn will be jk first choice not because of looks or charm but because his jimn
Jimn who never denied his love for jk not even once even though he got called a pig, pedo and alot more for it
Jimn who didn't call jikookers delusional for screaming jikook while they performed on stage
And Jimn who is selfless(an Angel as jk calls him)
If this was vmin vs jikook I'd understand because that would make much more sense to me honestly
I wish you added more reasons to why jk would choose Tae not Jimn Jk is not a Fan to choose a partner or bias based on looks lol
That last part i believe its been years and Jikook especially Jimin now know how to omit details or play around with the truth a bit. Cue rainy day fight, I'm sure Jimin left out that they kissed in the rain. Hickeygate. Jimin left out that they were definitely either fucking or making out. So this TMI of JK coming to his room, I think BTS haven't gotten 7 hotel rooms in a long long time. They get 6. We have caught Jikook in each other's rooms way too many times to believe they don't share atp. So when Jimin said they laugh every night, i personally think it was a slip of the tongue.
You said exactly what i've been thinking of. I also have a close friend, sleep together, holding hands, eat at same spoon is a normal thing. But ive never knocked her door at an odd time or, sitting doing nothing for 2hrs. This is one of the reason why i ship them.
I think he went so often to his room to make sure, that no one else comes to his room 😅
LOVE YOUR VIDEOS!!!! i think jimin calling their yt channel minkookie/minkook was a nod to all jikook/kookmin shippers, he had to take a ship name we didn't use to not seem too obvious, but he was clearly saying he sees us and he must have seen all the videos, which is a bit scary if you ask me. And I think Jimin is the perfect representation of libras in all that he does. Libras don't like to feel left out of the things the person we care abt does and they cannot hide their true feelings wether it be love, sassiness, betrayal, anger...They are so precious *sigh*
Thank you so much!!
I have seen others use that exact name, so yes, someone's got an eye on us. And Jm dsnt really care. He has never changed since the minute he lay eyes on JK. He has ALWAYS spoken of his fondness and wanting to be w and travel w and go to moon for and watch sunsets. I mean, it has never wavered his love for JK. They are playing w us now, with that RUclips skit 🤣 and probably having a good laugh. But it's no doubt that those two have been together for years!
Meyoujksx😭👀
Dint you all remember the interview when Jimin says " The thing that majes him happy is waking up and seening JK"
And the guys all went "Boo",and laughed.
Jimin just blew them a kiss.
❤
And then asked what makes Jimin happy,?
Jk answered ",Jungkook"
I think Jikook share a room when they travel and live together at home .💕
Tae saying thanks to the Min Kooks for joining his show and then quickly changing it to say Min Kook Channel 😂 I love Tae. I can always count on him to spill those beans.
I always love to watch analysis about JIKOOK. Your analysis is superb and of course I agree with all the facts that you mentioned.💜💜💜💜 I like to read some personal opinions of jikookers in the comment section cuz they comfort me
@8:29 jimin almost acts as if he caught jungook cheating 😅😅
I know there was a part where Jimin was giving JK a bad look because V said something and he felt like he was out of the loop. I also felt that V did it intentionally. That is my personal analysis.
I've watched it too..I also noticed that jk and v would stare at each other intensely..then Jimin feeling awkward..then V started opening up about his and jk's plan but jk seemed lost..and Jimin started to look at jk with eyes asking what's going on..I agree with you when you said V intentionally did say it.
This vlive gave me doubts if it's really jikook or there's something going on with jk and v that Jimin isn't aware of. You can feel that after that moment Jimin tried to pull himself together but there's tension obviously as if jk is caught in between.. I'm just not sure if v said yeobo when he introduced jk and covered his mouth..so from then on I just take what I see everytime there's interaction among them.. sometimes there's jk sweet with Jimin sometimes with V..I don't know what to believe..
But I think jk is confused because he looks like he both like the two. I just hope he let's Jimin go so he can find someone who can give him assurance and loyalty
A few things:
1- while I was watching the live. I also thought Jimin felt betrayed a few times. The Xmas song, the fact that jk said he was going to say with v after dinner . When he invited v to exercising. I clearly saw Jimin ‘s mood change .
2- I think Jimin felt betrayed Bc he even said in the live , that they both work on ideas for diff songs together. That jimin is the bank of ideas and jk executes them. That is why he felt betrayed.
3- you also missed an important moment. When V and jk stared at each other. This was right after v exposed jk of being in jm ‘s room all the time. He looked at jm first then at v. In my opinion he looked at v like saying “ why did you say that”
4- I believe jk noticed Jimin a bit upset . If you can see by the end of the live, Jimin was sitting right in the middle facing the camera and not facing jk. Jk then started leaning towards jm more . By the end he was practically shoulder to shoulder with Jimin.
5- lastly, if you check min 17.50 and on. You can see jk wraps his hand with his shirt to conceal it and placed right underneath jm. In my opinion, Jimin felt his hand and got a bit surprised and looked at jk. Of course this is just my theory. Maybe his hand was just there but I saw how Jimin’s fácil expression changed.
Wow your eyesight is amazing, I need this analysis because I am so confused about the live because some taekooker r many things saying like tkook seeing each other eyes long time etc. and I am so disappointed. I can't watch the vlive properly because I afraid that if I seen anything between taekook my jikook heart breaks that time. So I avoid to watch this .but thank you for your so much effort and analysis. Thank you jikook 💜
@@paromitamitra3554 Don't be scared to watch Vlive. Don't listen to taekookers...
Or be upset for Tae and JK looking at each other.
At the end of the day,Jimin and Jk will be only 2 members who spend their time day and night together than any other member in BTS.
That is real,relationship or friendship they are the one who spend time together more than any other member in BTS.
Real life... On and off camera,day and night in LA or Korea or any other place,it will be Jimin and Jk.
Listen to Jikook,listen all the members,don't look only on skinships moments.
And you can also see that Tae is extra with JK in La.
Some people call it fanservice,but I dont like that.
I think Tae don't spend much time with members exsepct at work on Korea and even there you can see him often on the phone than with members.
So I personaly think this is the moment when he can spend time with them.
I dont know why he always pick JK in LA...
Again some people would say fanservice or popularity vew,but I think here on this Vlive he wanted him here to promote his or their song.
My personal thoughts,and that is not bad of him,they are musicians,they need to promote them self. And he also with this can spend some time with JK outside the company.
Jimin knowing that Tae want JK,so he go first knowing JK will falow.
They were eating together at that time together,watching Tae Vlive so probably it was Jimin who push them to go like always...so vminkook happen.
He probably thought Tae just want JK there for fun,didn't expect song promoting.
And Tae was being Tae on camera.
When ever there is camera he will go extra,especially with JK or Jimin.
Again people call it fanservice,and there is some level of that like with all members,even Jikook,but again Jimin and Jk are his age and he feel more relax with them and he knows they will let him do what ever he want with them.
The older members would joke and stuff but not that much like jikook-vminkook.
So don't be scared to watch Vlive,if anything it was super great. We again get alot of info on Jikook and guys had fun.
JK probably had to explane after to jimin about the song with Tae.
Even I saw he was suprise and little upset,but agan this shows how close Jikook are. You don't get upset about this things. Suprise yes if you don't know.
But Jimin reaction was... well se all saw that. And Jk was little upset too but on a diffrent level when he notice Jimin reaction.
It was more like sh*t reaction 😂😂
I love this Vlive, Taekookers can keep their looks and skinship,but Jikook is the one who get real stuff and real info from members.
And this is not hate to the Taekook,maybe to the toxic one who hate Jimin...
But we all have our ships...
We all see what we see.
I only wish that people don't forget that they are musicians, Artists.
I see more and more new fans who don't know anything about BTS members and only folow ship videos... That is realy bad...
That is why every year war between shipes is more stronger and more toxic...
I am Jikooker but I am Army first.
Always will be,this Artists change my life for better 6 years ago and BTS comes first for me,then ship... That is how it has to be.
So watch Vlive,support the boys,all of them.
Don't take any ship to much to the hart.
Jikook are the clossest members,they spend almost all their free time together,but we don't know their relationship.
Again,even if they are only friends,they are the 2 members who spend more time together than anyone in BTS.
Not Taekook or any other ship with Jimin or JK.
So other ships for me are not real at all.
I know that before by looking at them,but this year they show the truth and I believe more that others are only friends.
You need to spend time with person who you date,so if Jikook are not real,then they probably don't date anyone in their life and they are amazing friends and I am happy they found each other.
Just to have friend on this level of friendship is win for me.
Rare thing to have.
Thank you so much for adding it on!! I love your theory, I also noticed this and was debating if to add it In or not but I decided not to in the end, so I am glad that you brought it up!,
@@paromitamitra3554 Hon yes they look at each other, they all do that is how we communicate. I have a suggestion stop paying attention to what taekookers say, they will
say what fits their dream. If you believe in jk and jimin you know that they love each other have for years. Tae is a friend of both of them. Tae is affectionate and that is with all
the members. Also, jimin is a grown man if he weren't happy he would not be there with them. Jk loves jimin no matter who he looks at the feeling is not the same when we
see him look at jimin. Jk and jimin spend most of their time toether even in Korea it isaid they are always together. The exception is when they have different times to be
at work . They live together, and before anyone says I can't prove that. They have done things that show without a doubt they live together. Jimin and jk are now adults
who have been together for years they know each other and trust each other. I think this vlive was simply to let us who support them and the haters know yes we
are together that is jk and jimin . And to let the others and haters know the three are friends and will not have their friendship destroyed by lies.
Oooh your good 👍nice deduction I totally agree
Hum Jimin was clearly marking his territory after being jealous because he did not know about the Christmas song and the song with tae.. he exposed their intimacy (Jimkook) for Tae to know it.
There's something there JK&JM
You can see it in there eyes
The looks especially JK
Am so sure that they do there thing every moment they can
Thank you for putting this together 💜🐰🤟🐥💜💜💜💃💋🌹
Jk and jimin have been a couple for years they have done everything but sky write the news.
Jungkook and Jimin love each other deeply and are a couple that have a bond that is growing stronger.
To make it through everything that has happened and all that is said to or about them; they have grown together and become a stronger pair. They are so precious to observe. I appreciate them sharing their lives with us.
🤗💜
@@heathernile4700 Truly understand but let them say it
It's safer for both not someone wants to spill the beans as we say here in America
They have that right and we should respect them
Well it seems that JK&JM are getting close in saying something what ever that might be
Just waiting for the right time and moment they only know
🐰💜🐥💜🐥💜🐰💜💜🤟🥰💜💜
@@heathernile4700 You said it perfectly.
I, too, appreciate what they share with us. They definitely have gone through a lot and it has made them ever stronger as a couple
I love the way they interact with each other always having fun .love it 😀
Jimin are the reason i like bts 2013 on astro hitz! Then i like the way jimin and jk caring/love each other. 🥺❤️
Thank you!! I enjoyed watching this video thoroughly. The proximity of KookMin amazes me and brings joy to my heart. Both indeed are v.close to each other; they know each other's tastes, preferences, traits, schedules, etc. Also, they vibe well because they share same interests. Both are good dancers, their vocals are class apart; they groom each other by watching videos together, their styles / outlook / fashion sense match... they basically lean on each other for every thing. I 💜 MinKook!!
I watched the vlive and I can see there is something between minkookie💜😊
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 I just wanted to say that I'm proud of most everyone in these comments. Most everyone has been thoughtful, heartfelt, and respectful with what they've said. I think a lot of you understand that, even though we love these boys with our whole heart, they are human. They aren't perfect, and they act and talk just like the rest of us. When we talk about these things, we aren't hating on them, we have open conversations about what they do and who they are, and what we think and believe. Good job girls/guys/humans of all kinds. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
8:22
I can't- it's just jimin baing sassy again- ✌️🤧
So, we just going to act like we don't see jk signaling jimin to wrap it up. Every time jimin laugh and put his head in jk lap my mind goes wtf are you doing jm.
Мне кажется,что Викуки появились что бы отвлечь внимание от Джикукеров😊 просто глаза не врут, и глаза Чонгука сияют при Чимине.
Глаза не врут, только Чонгук все время пялился на Техена. Не мог оторвать глаза от ножек Техена, потому что Техен был в шортиках которые напоминают нижние белье. Чимин сам спросил это нижние белье или шорты. Полностью надо смотреть вилайв, а не нарезки. Чимин сам падал постоянно к Чону. И это был вилайв Техена, он пригласил Чонгука, но почему то пришел Чимин. Так что ещё не понятно кто и кого прикрывает.
It is so funny how different people think of this vlive and the hole conversation about the Xmas Song.
So i perceive this talk in a totally different way than you do.
For me it is clear, that v an jk don't have any plans to release a song together.
I think that V spoiled the fact, that jk ist planning to release song around Christmas and that jk and jm are very surprised, because this fact was certainly not meant to be spoiled in a vlive.
Of course jimin knows about the plans. I think that all the members will know it, if anyone of them ist going to release a solo song.
So i don't think that jimin feels betrayed or upset in any way. Hey is just surprised and don't know to react. Same with jk.
In my opinion tae tries to talk jk into making a song with him. Although I don't know if this is just ment as a joke or if he is really serious about it.
In the previous part V even tells Jimin, that he want to create a song but he hasn't done anything about it yet. So jimin says ah so you plan to do it (or something
like that)
I feel that jk and jm have an silent conversation how to react.
So they change the topic, talking as RUclipsrs again etc.
The "long" stare between jk and v (although I think it isn't Long at all) doesen't give me any romantic or lovey dovey kind of vibe at all.
I think it is challenging stare. Like how dare you to talk about it....
Of course I maybe conpletely wrong with my opinion.
I guess we'll never know for sure ;)
I feel this 100% . Jimin doesn’t look surprised about the song at all. He is surprised V is talking abt it.
@@elizehannahpreston9572 thank you! I was starting questioning myself about my point of view here 😅
Everyone have different perceptions..💜💜💜 but jk seems uncomfortable on this vlive.. or maybe they just tired🤔 hoping tae is fine even jimin and jk are more close now..
Thank you for presenting a different point of view. Never thought of some of the things you said here. Makes sense. Although I have to rewatch the video since I really felt Jimin got upset with something V said but was trying not to be obvious about it. And I think JK knew he got upset. Also, I totally agree with you that there was nothing remotely romantic in the looks / stares between JK and V. However Taekookers will disagree with us since I've seen several videos hyping that JK and V were flirting heavily and Jimin was a "third wheel". Beats me....
I absolutely agree that the looks between Jk and Tae had nothing romantic...I think Jimin had been shocked, as well as Jk, that Tae was spoiling Jk's project. But I also don't believe that Jimin didn't know about Jk's project. They tell each other everything; unless it was a secret project meant as a gift.
Thanks for sharing your views🤗💜
i swear everytime i watch the clip of 'minkook' i always cant help but laugh... like it hits so close to the mark, im sure they know about us 🥰🤣
Любимочки мои, я так рада их видеть вместе.🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
Till now we didn't get that jk-V subunit for Christmas song, so now i understood the confused face of jiminssi well lol he got confused for a moment 😂😂😂
I love this channel!! I think I might have said that on another video of yours, but it's true!! And yes, I think Jungkook was going to sit on Jimin's lap 💕 I love when V, JK & JM all laugh, it's so cute & you can't help yourself, you laugh too! Idea for another video... Compilations of the scenes where they crack up, with the dialog so we know why they're laughing. That would brighten all our days 🥰
Ahh thank you so much I appreciate it a lot! Thank you for the video idea I will definitely try it in the future😉💕
@@euphoricjikooks You're welcome, I'm so glad that you like my suggestion 😊
@@euphoricjikooks thank you. There are so many times that they crack up but translations stop or just omit what is said. It would be nice to know what is so funny. I think it would be a very popular video. Thank You for all your hard work. Your videos are great🤗💜
I don't think Jimin felt betrayed I think it was because he realized they weren't supposed to talk about it yet
Yeah I agree with this too!
You can see Jimin's complete mood change after hearing these news. 07:40 - 07:55. At 08:18 he seems a little annoyed/betrayed and 08:29 looks like relationship drama ngl.😂
I think V was just messing around with Christmas song. He didn't plan anything with JK. Maybe Jimin and JK were planning on releasing a Christmas song together and V accidentally blurted them out. That is why JM was so confused... JK as well.
I know this is coming a year after this analysis video is made but i would like to point out a few things I observed during this V Live!! Just for the records, i think anyone who watches this Live and thinks there is anything more than platonic between Jk and V is stupid (sorry not so sorry). Why? Because in this single live, we got alot of information about these 3, shared by all 3 of them either in words, actions or body language! Also, i have watched this Live more than 10 times to make sure i am not missing anything!
1: Tae asks the staff to call for Jk, why didn’t he call Jk on the phone himself and ask him to come like Jimin did for his birthday VLive? According to members, Jk doesn’t answer his calls or text often but we all saw how fast he answered Jimin’s call on Jimin’s birthday!! So Tae not calling him directly but asking the staff to call Jk is already very telling if you ask me.
2: Tae ask the staff to call Jk but Jimin shows up instead!! Why? He goes ahead to say he came because Tae called for Jk. First how did he know Tae had asked for Jk? (He might have been watching the Live) that’s a possibility, but why would he find the need to go when Tae clearly asked for Jk? Unless it was something they (Jk and Jimin) both agreed on, or unless he was kinda going to represent Jk until Jk was able to show up, which will mean they were probably together when Tae asked for Jk.
3: In the Vlive, Jimin and Jk spoke about eating chicken together (while V ate alone). Why would Jk abandon his supposed boyfriend (Tae) to eat alone, while he eats with Jimin instead? Makes no sense
4: This is more than a year later, and we know that Jk and Tae didn’t release any Christmas song together so Tae was clearly fooling around when he spoke about him and Jk making a song together for Christmas! Jk caught the joke and played along but Jimin didn’t get it and as we all can see, Jimin kinda felt betrayed! He couldn’t imagine Jk working on a song without telling him, reason why he turns to Jk and gives him that look! Why would he give Jk that look if he didn’t feel like he had the right to know? Also, one thing that was missed, after V says the stuff about the song, he also says anything that is mentioned on the Live is like a promise that has to be kept which is why Jk tells Tae that he hears Tae is planning to give him a very expensive gift, meaning that if Tae plays along and agrees, then he has to keep that promise! From all of this, it is clear that they are just goofing around!! Tae also says, Jimin too is working on a song, to which Jk responds with "it seems everyone is busy" from Jk’s look and body language, i could tell he also subtly kinda felt like Jimin didn’t tell him something and he pettily says everyone is busy!
5:About the staring. We can all see that in this V Live, Jk is staring most of the time at Tae and he can hardly look or keep eye contact with Jimin! While most people (Taekookers) took this to mean their ship is real, to me I understand very differently. The 3second stare between Jk and V was not in any way shape or form a romantic look. It was a nervous look! Throughout this Vlive, Jk seems a little bit uncomfortable or maybe just nervous for some reason. We know that they felt awkward cuz they didn’t really know what to talk about so most time they had to look to each other for some sort of comfort! In this case, Jk looks at V alot because that is what is most comfortable in this situation! Now you may ask why not Jimin? Simple, they were infron of a camera, they are aware they are people watching them and Jk probably has something to hide with Jimin, but with Tae, who is just his friend, there is nothing at all to hide so it is more convenient to stare at you friend when you don’t know where to look or what to do!! Staring at Jimin in this situation would have brought about alot of tension which Jk couldn’t handle because of his shy nature! We feel the tension already in those few moments they do look at each other! So no, it was no romance look between V and Jk. It was more or less a buddy look!
Agreed 💯 with you. But they called Jikook fanservices. It's so hilarious. I have seen many times Jk just lost between Jm not V. I don't think "Teakook is real" I think actually"Jikook is too real to be ship"💜💛💞
Thank you for the analysis I really need this. Jikook 💜💜💜💜
13:20 we know they have weird sleeping habits and stay up all night doing things they don't remember though 🤔 15:48 Jimin's subtle arm around JK at the end, he's mine ...
6:29 WTF😵😱🤯🙊 JIMIN 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 HE SAY "KOOKMIN" WOW MY HEART WAS HOT WHEN I HEAR THAT😁😁 POOR MY SHY JUNGKOOK 😆
YES JIKOOK/KOOKMIN IS REAL😊🥰
I think you have to listen to what tae says about jk and him releasing a song, jk didn't seem to know what song tae had to tell him and jk said how can we release that. I think they may have
talked about a song and recorded somthing but no decision was made about it's release. As for jimin not knowing about jks song Tae said he heard jk didn't tell him jk asked tae
how do you know. For me that means jk didn't tell anyone maybe it was to be a surprise. I don't think jimin felt betrayed surpred yes betrayed no. They are all friends and really don't
have to tell each other evrything not even couples have to do that.
As for him visiting jimins room, that is not news jimin has said he doesn't like being alone others have said the same. I think he comes because jimin wants him there and jimin was
indeed teasing jk. Tae saying he thought it was jk's room was a tease as well I also think they wanted people to know jk and jimin are together a lot. We know that they share
rooms its been proven before so no surprise there. This vlive was to me for the fans who support jk and jimin and the haters. To let everyone know jk and jimin are fine and together.
All three are friends and no matter what lies are told that won't change.
The translation was off supposedly jk said he was going to stay in taes room and eat , then jimin said he would order food and send it to Taes room?
I know Im a bit late for this comment but gosh! 14:11 Jimin’s voice saying stop and come here giving me goosebumps! It so manly he looks like the dominant one in their relationship 🤣🙄
Jimin threatening Tae with the "Have you ever gotten beaten by PEPERO?" is really him saying - Oh you wanna go against me and JK, cause you're gonna lose! You can't beat a "couple" at that game because they got no qualms about getting super close, it's not awkward for them and they won't care if their lips touch. I don't believe they would actually play it but here Jimin is calling Tae out.
Omg?? I just realized what you're saying and I think you might be right!! I didn't pick up on it at all. Thank you for adding
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2:34 poor Jimin, he was waiting for JK to grab his hand as well 😁
Jimin i love you so much you to good god bless you
Jimin kept saying we alot! Any most of the TMI was about kookie! So there's a big possibility they do! 💜💜
i mean, why if he said we? does it mean anything?
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First of all, great analysis. There is so much that went on during this V-live. You brought some context to the conversation that I would not have understood without your video, such as the background on the first game V suggested.
So first Jimin shows up impersonating JK with his unique knock (mentioned later during the bed check conversation).
I have seen footage from other V-lives where JM does not go because JK doesn’t want him to go. Why did JM (not invited) go this time? I wonder if JK told JM it was a bad idea and JM (feeling bad for V) still went and JK eventually followed.
Could the “I admit it” and thumbs up be JM’s confirmation of yes you told me something like this would happen and that it was not a good idea? JM did make a few attempts to leave the v live.
Something different that did stick out to me just before 12:00 on this video, Did anyone notice a puff of smoke by JK? Not sure where that came from. I actually wonder if there could have been someone else in the room? Maybe it was water from the humidifier? When V opens the door for JM he refers to guys (multiple). Throughout the vlive (I went back and watched the whole thing) JK was always glancing to the right, away from the group.
I am a fan of Jikook. I personally don’t like that the industry does not let the idols be open about relationships. It makes me sad that some may never experience true love because of this. If Jikook is real, I hope they are happy, healthy, and can stay happy with all the craziness around them.
I really love watching the content between these three. V is always spilling the tea lol.
12:46 هذه طريقة جيمين بانه يقول للعالم ترا جونغكوك عايش بغرفتي 😪🤙🏻
The Pepero game reminds me of a Disney animated movie called "Lady and The Tramp" 🥰
Its feels like some kind love triangle 😅😅😅😅. Tae and Jimin staking claim that each of them knows JK better and has more time with him. There are so many videos of Tae Kook on the internet. But Jimin and Jung Kook is more like a seasoned , mature progressed kinda equation. Cant blame the guys because they have been away from family for 10 yrs and now BTS team is their new family and that they have to hold on to one another. They are bound to get possessive of each other. Grow closer and intuitive and have a deep connection coz it started all at an early teenage yrs for them.
Jimin did mention once that he is possessive of the people he loves in his life.
Hope their bond lasts forever. If they do like females and they are straight hope no one breaks their bond
Your channel is 🎶the cause of my euphoria.🎶 I saw JK on a short video this a.m. & he had made up a song about how bored he was. Why would he be quarantining after SOFI w/o Jimin? It was like looking & listening to the lonely half of a whole person.💔 But back to this video. So cute, listening to the giggles & back & forth between all of them. I'm not sure what the deal is w/the could-be song, but I can't imagine JK not sharing such important information w/Jimin. There's no way to hide something like that. There are all kinds of preparations that go into writing, producing, laying down tracks. Anyway, I hope it's true. I love JK's work. On the topic of expressing themselves, Jimin hasn't changed since pre-debut. He's front & center w/his feelings, how what makes him happy is seeing Jungkookie's face first thing in the morning, then here w/the roll call info 3x a day, V revealing JK answers the door for guests, the 1st Grammy nomination where he & JK got the call at 4 am & cried for hours holding their phones. We don't have to put their information out there, they are doing it for us, Minkookie's that they are. I believe they've joined our club & are proud members. I love the way they were trying to come up w/a RUclips name on the fly. If I didn't know better I'd think they've been watching some of our beautiful videos! I love your analysis! TYSM!🐰🐥🐕♾
I agree, they know. Min Kookie didn't from from thin air lol. They've heard that before.
RM said once that he has a friend that tell them everything that is said in the ARMY fandom so yes they know about it i am sure and just see all the treath Jimin has resiived because of Jiikookers. 3ven Tae has got threaths from Jiikookers i mean that is not fair he has not done anything wrong. When he do things with JK on stage that is to hide the relationshio between JK and Jimin. Of coarse this is just my thaughts i am not sure. I love JK and Jimin together and i am 100% sure they are a real couple why else get jealous of each other 💖💖
I wish ur video should reach well..bcz ur analysis is soo good and accurate🌈💜💜
Thank you so much!
Хорошо бы, если бы были русские субтитры..
Thank u for this video I super love it 😍 saranghae minkookie 🐥👉👈🐰
Ok so many people think that in that vlive tae called jk "baby"which in Korean is "jagiya"but if you hear closely tae said "jasi ga"which means bastard or punk or buddy so I just felt like to address it.
V interviewing a couple 🧑🏻🤝🧑🏻👨❤️👨
Jiminitirdwell
Lol, Tea mangeait la bouche ouverte au début et quand Jimin arrive il mange la bouche fermée ♥︎
Haha aaaaaa a go dead 🤣 😂 😆 😄 looks like Jk has some explaining to do that or V spoiled his surprise for Jimin🤣🤣🤣🤣 look at how their looking at each other like wt and I'll explain later without saying the words. Mi dead. I'm loving the Vminkook drama episode 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Jim in is like ah you have a song I don’t know then here is my TMI basically JK leave in Jimins room
thanks for your analysis. I had not been in the translations that I saw, several points that you mention in the video, and there are still things that I cannot believe! 💙💛🙏
I have mixed feelings about whether jm was pretending not to know about the Xmas song or really didn't know. Esp after the jingle ball interview where rm insinuated they might be doing a Christmas album. Either way something was there. Can't wait for Xmas eve time!
As for the laugh to sleep comment, I also thought that was adorable and even if it was a joke I love imagining jikook giggling at night together. We don't have to imagine too hard since they are constantly laughing together. 🥰💜
Just believe him bro... Wtf...
I thought so too just watch the video and pay attention to JM and JK eye contact
@@박라이리..밤탄 it's January 2022. Is the song coming this year
@@AS-mk4zg but we were already aware of the solo song coming from V right??
The pepero game was prepared by Tae intended for Jungkook but JM appeared instead.
I'm glad Jimin foiled V's stupid plans!
I think he planned evrything only for Jk, from panty short that he wearing, the chicken on the table, the pepero games, and the xmass song that they work about ( though it was a joke) His planned to feed their shipper was ruined when Jimin came on his lives.
@@rjkoya9799 I don't care what the hiveminded fandom thinks, to me, V is such a snake and I stopped liking him along time ago, bc of all the shit he has pulled through the years.
@@cindyyoung3994 and yo me you are a scorpion who doesn't belongs to his mother. I can,t listen a word agaist v. 😡
@@rjkoya9799if he plans those then there's no way they're real because why would a lgbtq couple would do that Infront Of their millions of fans that too they're from a country like Korea 😭
I am a little confused why Bighit wouldn’t let tae release a Christmas song that he wrote to sing with Jimin. But they let him do one with jungkook? The reason he gave before was that they said it was weird for two guys to sing together. Wonder what has changed. 🤔🧐
He don't have to do with Jimin...lol
Hiii v l love you baby l love jimin
super GOOD analysis omg
8:45 comment: The next day at the concert I noticed that Jikook was a bit OFF. Like JK turning away from Jimin when he was trying to hug on him. I wonder if it was something related to this. Like they had a little “argument “ about it maybe? People say I’m crazy but just something I noticed. After a while they were ok though.
I wouldn't put any weight or correlation of the vlive and day2 of the concert. Is this examples of turning away???
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look at day 3.
ruclips.net/video/01tUqVDUYhk/видео.html
Don't doubt Jimin and Jungkook. They deeply love and care for each other for years and their bond keeps getting stronger.
Mingguk is real.
Qué es el Mingguk??
Man.. I just come here for fun and it actually make me feel like jimin and jk have something that only they kneww
Jikook los amo mucho chicos regresen saludables los estaremos esperando a su regreso 🐰💛🐣🐰💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛🐣🐣💛💛💛
Ohhhh god thank you for giving the context.....let me clear first I'm a diehard army and fan of OT7....but when I started watching different shipping done on jkv,jinjk,jkrm.....I literally got mad....but after watching all the video's in detail I was convinced with my heart...bcz I always felt that jikook 💜💜💜💜💜 was THE COUPLE 💜💜💜💜💜💜 I love them like carzy ...from my heart 💜💜💜 love you BTS
Real or not i feel someone better deserves Jimin … jk is just not meant for some one like Jimin
Not me, actually trying to find minkookie RUclips channel has a 3000 subscribers.😅
Jikook is real..but V is just additional person just to make them not too obvious(in my opinion)...
V is the third wheel.😁
It's totally the opposite!!! Jimin is the third wheel!!!
@@nathalieluu9087 nope jimin is third wheel.😂
JIKOOK: spilling tea being together in a room, jk checking on jimin 3x a day, even v confirmed it. working out every morning, eating together before going to taeh's live.
( tkkr - ow! what a brotherly love)
TAEKOOK: looks at each other for a sec.
( tkkrs- omg taekook is real, this is really true love! they are really inlove, they are whipped for each other)
The way he is staring at jimin.
Just kiss him already jk.💜💜💜💜💜💜
Jimin❤️jungyook
They are not gonna be realer than this....Go Minkook....❤ you can both do it....💪💏
Aí que lindos fofuras jimin com seu olhar fofo para kookie 🥰🥰🥰 ciuminho lindo
Jikook forever 💛💛💛💛💛💜💜💜💜💜💜
(parte 1) Eu vi a estreia do VLive, e logo quando acabou, eu assisti de novo porque tinha coisas que me fizeram questionar. No final acabei fazendo uma teoria muito louca, que acabou rendendo bastante em minha cabeça. Basicamente, a sua teoria bate igual a minha rs. Eu tinha anotado, é quase isso:
[O VLive começa, e na primeira vez em que o Tae cita algum dos membros, é quando ele está extremamente envergonhado por estar falando com a câmera sozinho. Ele diz sobre querer chamar o JK, mas não chega a explicar do porquê não chamou, só termina com "mas". E depois ele pede aos membros que, se tiverem assistindo o VLive, que chamem ele (Jk). Minha curiosidade nessa parte é: por que ele não disse simplesmente que Jungkook estava ocupado? Ele apenas deixou um comentário bastante curioso, e dúvidas sobre ele saber de algo que não pode ser dito, e simplesmente não conseguiu pensar em outra coisa para dizer. Mais na frente, Jimin aparece, e logo dá a entender que ele estava assistindo o VLive, e sabia que ele(V) estava esperando o Jungkook.
(parte 2) No fim das contas, o Tae aceita o Jimin porque não queria ficar sozinho. E então, depois, Taehyung diz que estava mandando mensagens para aqueles que não estavam ocupados, para que viessem ao seu quarto, pro VLive. Mas ele num queria uma companhia? Claramente o jimin não bastava rs.
Por resposta, Jungkook apareceu. E antes mesmo de Taehyung saber, Jimin diz sobre ser o JK.
Mais pra frente, acontece algo bastante interessante, sobre Jungkook dizer que não estava com vontade de comer, após vir do show, mas logo que entrou no corredor, sentiu cheiro de frango e então "nós comemos" completou Jimin.
E nessa questão, temos a confirmação de Jimin sobre ele e o Jk estarem bastante tempo juntos. As idas do Jungkook ao quarto de Jimin, de manhã, tarde e noite, sem contar aos treinos juntos.
(parte 3) resumo: De qualquer maneira, Taehyung sabia do porquê que Jungkook não poderia estar lá naquele momento. Isso só confirma que, como os membros estavam comendo o frango, os jikooks também. Assim, concluímos que eles dois provavelmente chegaram juntos ao prédio e estavam no mesmo cômodo para comer o frango, que antes, Jungkook não iria comer. E já que, Jimin estava assistindo o VLive, óbvio que se o Jk estava junto ao jimin, ele também estava acompanhando o Tae no VLive.
A questão é, que se isso for verdade, o Jungkook não quis, ou iria depois, ou por simplesmente não deixar o óbvio. Mesmo assim, ele iria e fez companhia ao Tae. Por isso as chances de Jimin exatamente saber que era o Jungkook na porta. Agora, por que simplesmente Jungkook não foi lá ao invés do jimin?]
Dúvidas irão reinar em minha cabeça! Isso tudo não passa de uma teoria, possa ser que em parte seja verdade, e outra não.. Possa ser que eu nunca saiba, mas que tem alguma coisa suspeita, tem e muita!
Só queria me expressar, espero que entendam.
Sim, concordo e também estou muito curioso! Desculpe se as minhas palavras são confusas, estou a usar um tradutor.
@@euphoricjikooks entendi sim! Mas fico feliz por ter expressado as mesmas teorias e dúvidas!
I think jk was still eating, so jimin came instead,knowing that when jk is finished, he would join them.
eu vou dizer oq eu acho eu tento nao me meter em nada relacionado ao shipper mas a verdade q jm e jk eu tenho uma puga atras da orelha desde de quando a dispatch revelou q tinha 7 casais para revelar sendo q 9 era idols homens e 5 idols femininas entao a conta nao batia existia 2 casais do mesmo sexo no kpop e me lembro bem q dois integrante do bts estava na lista entre os noves idols masculino e quando ela revelou os outros namoro dos casias esses dois casais ficaram de fora e pasmem nao tinha nenhum do bts la na lista revelado ..Mas oq eu acho vamos la , nas lives antiga tivemos duas vezes ate onde eu me lembro o tae chamando o jm para a live dele e o jk nao deixando o jm ir o fato do jk nao deixar o jm ir ja foi muito estranho para mim na epoca , nas duas lives q o jk nao deixou o jm ir eles estavam juntos , eu penso q nessa live ai o jk nao foi porq simplismente ele nao quis acho q ele e o jm estavam juntos , porem o jm foi entao ele acabou indo tambem e por isso q o jm sabia q ele iria aparecer por q eles estavam junto
The taekookers saying how jk could not take his eyed off v and jm is third wheeling and the vminers claim jk was sent to stop them when vmin started the live together this is the time vmin talked about v pjs i was like what? do they watch the whole thing or pretende not to😂😂😂😂
Jk and JM have openly say about them, like they 24/7 with each other and they know everything about each other... I mean they are so real but why other people can't understand them?
Mekrrrnoyousxmeno😭😭🐿️🐻🐰👂
I'm just saying those guys are so handsome....
Oppa l love you 😇🥰😍🤩 jimin
vminkook's friendship is so precious🥺
my jikook heart is melting💖
If it's real, I'll be ecstatic. And if not, it's also alright.
🤣🥰👍❤️как скажете, будем Мингууками
So many inside jokes whenever they do vlives.....lol
When he said they have 3000 subs and they love them I immediately have that song I love u 3000 sorry I can't help 😅🤣🤣
9:53 لا ماكو شيء بس جيمين يحب يذكر العالم أنو هو مقضي ايامه كلها مع جونغكوك 😪
I feel sad when jimin looks like betrayed by them about xmast song
This is not at all in a negative way..infact it is so cute and beautiful to get loved and give love like this..I observed this alot of times..
Whenever jimin feels like JK is getting more involved with someone bef the fans or if he is not aware of the situation rel to JK (which is rare)
He immediately jumps up and reveals all the possible info which he can before the fans out of the blue reg him and JK 🤣 like this live..once that song thing happened he tried every possible thing to be abt him & JK..that big ass TMI tho🤣 that was so unnecessary...I observed this few times for ex - when hobi was saying jokingly that JK came to washroom & said some stuff & all...first of all jimin was so pissed by that & secondly he stood suddenly and said something reg them again..which was not even his game..whereas jungkook is more like a action kind of person..he suddenly gets to be beside jimin whenever he feels like Jm is being too close to someone..infact jk always try to be near jm no matter what..i watched 2 3 interviews/run episodes to observe this..damnn JK sometimes is so obvious with his actions that i laughed 😂 such a pure & unfiltered baby he is...both of them are 😭 jimin is more subtle tho but he is scary when he switches to his possesive side sometimes 👀😆
I find all this very fascinating & heart warming..like the kind of bond they have and the way they can't stand situations sometimes even if they r bef millions really amazes me..you got to love someone so madly to be like this..Mashaallah 😭💜 i am not a big time shipper and all but i do love to analyze such things..like i somehow can sense when two people are in love or if some unusual stuff is going on..🚶♀️😭
I say the same thing all the time! JK is so obvious with his possessiveness that it's funny.😹
How many piercings does Jimin have I’m curious he has none on his face like Jungkook or in his mouth. Face natural no need. Was Jungkook asking permission to get his nose pierced. It seem like he was. We have seen a lot of update pictures of Jimin since quarantine where is he? It’s like they are hiding him are he isn’t putting out his private time to the public. No Jikook or real up-to-date sightings of Mimkook or Jikook . Enjoy your time Jimin I’m happy for you rest well stay healthy please. You look great. Looking forward to seeing you and hearing new music come on you can do it. We need a remix you know which one and with who.
Taehyung the cupid of Mingguk
Me reí muchísimo con este live son realmente espontáneos y naturales eso los hace muy humanos y cercanos es agradable verlos así sin tanta presión