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Thanks for posting this conversation. I found it very articulate and helpful. I've been in love with Whitehead's work for many years and it is good to see it given such careful attention.
Finally able to hear the whole interview. Jeffrey, this is one of your best. Such a natural conversation so free flowing. So uplifting. So beautiful. Thank you both.
Great to see Matt on NTA! I've considered recommending him to you many times. I've been watching him on his footnotes2plato channel for a few years now. I believe his thinking connects right in the sweet spot of what we need at this unique juncture as we slough off the numbing materialism that is such an ideal companion to exploitative capitalism with its Single Vision profit pursuit and the increasing threat of Control by an AI (Automated Insanity)-enhanced creep toward a totalitarian subjugation of humanity's finest qualities. A team from various disciplines---biology, physics, consciousness, philosophy, etc.---is being assembled to work against the well-known disturbing dystopian trends, to bring about the "big change" as he says at the end: "a whole shift in the values of our civilization." This "counterforce" is taking shape and Matt, in my opinion, is very much in the running for MVP (Most Valuable Philosopher) in that effort toward a hopeful future for humanity. He and Jeff are 2 of my favorite people and I hope to see many more conversations between the two.
What a great discussion! I studied A.N. Whitehead and C.I. Lewis during my undergrad. Being thrusted into Process and Reality, with its challenging vocabulary, was certainly not for the faint of heart. The context provided by Matt has added much richness to my impressions of what Whitehead was essentially trying to achieve. Thanks, guys.
Thank you for this highly stimulating interview or should I say conversation. Dr. Segall breaks down Whitehead succinctly and clearly and he is therefore much appreciated by this listener. On another note, this concern for the possibility of human extinction which Dr. Segall mentions at the end of the interview is a deeply felt and ancient concern. Perhaps in an earlier time, a much earlier time, the human community, when dwarfed in population to a mere handful of families ranging in possibly as few as a couple of hundred souls, pondered this very same issue. We might regard ourselves as ill adapted to the environment. What do we possess to ensure the continuity of our species? We posses no claws, prehensile tail, limbs that move at fast speeds, muscular brawn, sharp incisors, fur for the cold, and thick hide. Indeed, we cannot even generate our own vitamin C to add to the list of our limitations. And yet we survive by our own wits no less. How is this so? If we learned what we know purely through the incremental but slow gathering of empirical knowledge testing the environment such as discerning, through this trial and error, what mushrooms to eat and which ones to avoid, would we even be here today? That civilization requires constant vigilance from the existential threats outside but also inside our very psyches has perhaps been our concern since before we gazed upon the heavens above and recognized the precise motions of the stars and planets. Then our current concern about the possibility and what seems to many as the high probability of our physical extinction is an age old worry. We live day-by-day by our wits but place little trust in our ability to think things through. Today we survive and manage to muddle through but tomorrow . . . And the future always hangs perilously over us as our Damoclean sword ever fearful of it falling upon us.
Right on the money with Whitehead, thanks for the upload. One of the commentators spoke of logic being a subset of aesthetics, an aesthetic underlying logic. I've been shaping ideas around movement for a while and I think I know this framework. Form and Function are not alone, in some way, their essence is determined by Flow. I have flow at the root of an inverted pyramid form and function becoming a spectrum at the top. Attention, Perception, Awareness, and effort all flow/tend toward a path of least resistance. Forms and functions are emphasised through expressions and they resonate back through the senses. In human relations this arrangement illustrates another relevant distinction. Underlying the 3f frame is a flow of stress and creative exuberance. On any physical interaction we necessarily have to follow two streams of stress and creative expression, our own and the othwr persons. It's nice we find ways of combining them.
@KassJuanebe no sorry, thanks for asking! I was only writing them up the other day. I am travelling but I have my notes with me. When I get a chance I'll take a photo of the image and notes and post it on my profile here.
I'm always impressed how JM so seemlessly switches over from an internet video to an internet video. ;) Seriously though, as usual, I truly appreciate another insightful internet interview.
I would have liked to have heard more on Whitehead understanding that there are no discrete things that will not change over time. Everything is in process or a flow that come about from a near infinite number of relationships and conditions producing what an individual would call experiences. That all seemingly solid things of matter experience, from what I remember. This is experience that we have is all that we can really claim as being reality, our reality arising from conditioner and relationships that are in flux. Whitehead believed that experience was ultimately the only thing that we can point to as being fundamental to what we can understand of reality. We can point to an infinite number of connections and conditions but fundamentally what we can know of anything is our experience which unfolds in a process and is not static. I could be wrong, but I would have liked Whitehead's philosophy better explained.
41:19 it's a danger associating emotions with complexities that might have no distinguishing framework for that human information. Information is carried in an impulse and any fragment of information can form emotional fractals that reflect the information packaged in them. We really must learn more about emotions and the work they serve in the flow of mood and attitude through expression... Great show!
Just my take, and as Matt alluded to, the Idealists and panpsychists are a positive sign, but Whitehead really has squared an ever enlarging circle … one that Kastrup, Hoffman etc, to my mind, haven’t.
Im learning a lot from your in depth fun interview s . Thanks so much for continuing this great show . Im sure much of the interview goes way beyond my knowledge ! But you mentioned Willam James . Are either of you familiar with Jane Roberts book on William James ? The Title of her book is The Afterdeath Journal Of An American Philosopher/ The World View Of William James . Its quite good imo . Just wanted to share it. Thanks Again ❤
Statement of Comment Etiquette for New Thinking Allowed
You are asked to be courteous at all times to all participants, and to limit your comments to the topics discussed in the videos. Your thoughtful participation is encouraged. If you post insulting comments here or promote political propaganda, conspiracy theories, or religious dogmas as if they were the absolute truth, you will have disqualified yourself and you will be permanently banned from posting on this channel. Except however, if you still want to post an aggressively rude or off-topic comment (and haven't yet been banned from posting), go visit our monolog about George Carlin at ruclips.net/video/e5MKv667TRI/видео.html. All comments will be accepted there, but not here.
Thanks to Jeff. Thanks to Matt. Thanks to many thoughts from multiple commenting people. Thanks also to interesting ideas from Aquariusgate.
Thanks for posting this conversation. I found it very articulate and helpful. I've been in love with Whitehead's work for many years and it is good to see it given such careful attention.
Matt has a great youtube channel footnotes2plato
Thanks! It was an awesome interview ❤
Finally able to hear the whole interview. Jeffrey, this is one of your best. Such a natural conversation so free flowing. So uplifting. So beautiful. Thank you both.
That's Matt for you, adventurous thinking presented with remarkable lucidity... very good guest!
wonderfully put!
Thank you for this wonderful conversation . Matt is so wonderfully articulate .
To watch and listen to Matt in full flow is just so beautiful 🌱
Thank you for integrating so many sources for a better understanding of Whitehead’s thought. It was de-cendental!
Great to see Matt on NTA! I've considered recommending him to you many times. I've been watching him on his footnotes2plato channel for a few years now. I believe his thinking connects right in the sweet spot of what we need at this unique juncture as we slough off the numbing materialism that is such an ideal companion to exploitative capitalism with its Single Vision profit pursuit and the increasing threat of Control by an AI (Automated Insanity)-enhanced creep toward a totalitarian subjugation of humanity's finest qualities. A team from various disciplines---biology, physics, consciousness, philosophy, etc.---is being assembled to work against the well-known disturbing dystopian trends, to bring about the "big change" as he says at the end: "a whole shift in the values of our civilization." This "counterforce" is taking shape and Matt, in my opinion, is very much in the running for MVP (Most Valuable Philosopher) in that effort toward a hopeful future for humanity.
He and Jeff are 2 of my favorite people and I hope to see many more conversations between the two.
This channel is in the zeitgeist, whether the mainstream world knows it or not is another matter.
Keep on keeping on Jeffrey
What a great discussion! I studied A.N. Whitehead and C.I. Lewis during my undergrad. Being thrusted into Process and Reality, with its challenging vocabulary, was certainly not for the faint of heart. The context provided by Matt has added much richness to my impressions of what Whitehead was essentially trying to achieve. Thanks, guys.
Excellent exposition. The best of philosophy on display. Thank you both.
Good to hear about Whitehead, terrific, clear analysis and gives me some context that I hadn’t had before.
Thank you so much to everyone who worked on this video
An absolutely fascinating discussion, very much appreciated
this'll be my third or fourth attempt to understand someone explain Whitehead. I've got confidence it's going to go well this time!
Marvellous - joyous - many thanks
Thank you for this highly stimulating interview or should I say conversation. Dr. Segall breaks down Whitehead succinctly and clearly and he is therefore much appreciated by this listener.
On another note, this concern for the possibility of human extinction which Dr. Segall mentions at the end of the interview is a deeply felt and ancient concern. Perhaps in an earlier time, a much earlier time, the human community, when dwarfed in population to a mere handful of families ranging in possibly as few as a couple of hundred souls, pondered this very same issue. We might regard ourselves as ill adapted to the environment. What do we possess to ensure the continuity of our species? We posses no claws, prehensile tail, limbs that move at fast speeds, muscular brawn, sharp incisors, fur for the cold, and thick hide. Indeed, we cannot even generate our own vitamin C to add to the list of our limitations. And yet we survive by our own wits no less. How is this so? If we learned what we know purely through the incremental but slow gathering of empirical knowledge testing the environment such as discerning, through this trial and error, what mushrooms to eat and which ones to avoid, would we even be here today?
That civilization requires constant vigilance from the existential threats outside but also inside our very psyches has perhaps been our concern since before we gazed upon the heavens above and recognized the precise motions of the stars and planets. Then our current concern about the possibility and what seems to many as the high probability of our physical extinction is an age old worry. We live day-by-day by our wits but place little trust in our ability to think things through. Today we survive and manage to muddle through but tomorrow . . . And the future always hangs perilously over us as our Damoclean sword ever fearful of it falling upon us.
Amazing as always! Thank you
Excellent interview! Thank you for this. Motivated me to return to Whitehead.
Whitehead was definitely onto something. I love scholars that impact both theology and secular philosophy.
Right on the money with Whitehead, thanks for the upload.
One of the commentators spoke of logic being a subset of aesthetics, an aesthetic underlying logic.
I've been shaping ideas around movement for a while and I think I know this framework.
Form and Function are not alone, in some way, their essence is determined by Flow. I have flow at the root of an inverted pyramid form and function becoming a spectrum at the top. Attention, Perception, Awareness, and effort all flow/tend toward a path of least resistance. Forms and functions are emphasised through expressions and they resonate back through the senses.
In human relations this arrangement illustrates another relevant distinction. Underlying the 3f frame is a flow of stress and creative exuberance. On any physical interaction we necessarily have to follow two streams of stress and creative expression, our own and the othwr persons. It's nice we find ways of combining them.
WOW. Do you have a website with graphics showing what you wrote?
@KassJuanebe no sorry, thanks for asking! I was only writing them up the other day. I am travelling but I have my notes with me. When I get a chance I'll take a photo of the image and notes and post it on my profile here.
I'm always impressed how JM so seemlessly switches over from an internet video to an internet video. ;) Seriously though, as usual, I truly appreciate another insightful internet interview.
Matt, great to see you on NTA !
Yoooooo I’ve been waiting for this moment! Haha
I would have liked to have heard more on Whitehead understanding that there are no discrete things that will not change over time. Everything is in process or a flow that come about from a near infinite number of relationships and conditions producing what an individual would call experiences. That all seemingly solid things of matter experience, from what I remember. This is experience that we have is all that we can really claim as being reality, our reality arising from conditioner and relationships that are in flux. Whitehead believed that experience was ultimately the only thing that we can point to as being fundamental to what we can understand of reality. We can point to an infinite number of connections and conditions but fundamentally what we can know of anything is our experience which unfolds in a process and is not static. I could be wrong, but I would have liked Whitehead's philosophy better explained.
41:19 it's a danger associating emotions with complexities that might have no distinguishing framework for that human information.
Information is carried in an impulse and any fragment of information can form emotional fractals that reflect the information packaged in them. We really must learn more about emotions and the work they serve in the flow of mood and attitude through expression...
Great show!
Just my take, and as Matt alluded to, the Idealists and panpsychists are a positive sign, but Whitehead really has squared an ever enlarging circle … one that Kastrup, Hoffman etc, to my mind, haven’t.
I think their models function at different levels and fit wonderfully together.
I see no contradictions.
Yes, I see what you’re saying ❤
@@rooruffneck I’m like this about everything and I suspect you are a candidate for seeing similarly 😊❤
@@spiralsun1
Yeah. They fit beautifully. Some models don't fit, but theirs do.
Is there room for idealism humor? I think we’re making a comeback.
Im learning a lot from your in depth fun interview s . Thanks so much for continuing this great show . Im sure much of the interview goes way beyond my knowledge ! But you mentioned Willam James . Are either of you familiar with Jane Roberts book on William James ? The Title of her book is The Afterdeath Journal Of An American Philosopher/ The World View Of William James . Its quite good imo . Just wanted to share it. Thanks Again ❤
Thanks Gents,
Hey Matt check out Rudolf Steiner's lecture cycle "Human and Cosmic Thought"
I think you'll enjoy it!
I know it well! My mentor Robert McDermott just wrote a new introduction to Steiner Press's reissue.
materialist education will fade as goethean science rises
super 💛