This is fucking superb! You have John Waters' encompassing, kindly queer precision and Joe Bob Briggs' wiseacre, equally kindly, accepting humour. Bloody Hell, Shudder, get these two cats together again! This is the most entertaining thing I've seen in years. Sterling stuff. 18:22 - 'girls don't wear high heels anymore / and I think the world is worse off for it too.' When a gay and a straight man agree on the single thing eroding joy from our lives to this day, then the universe has aligned on the same point:- a flat heel is a wasted heel.
Fifteen years later and I STILL wish John had directed the 2007 'Hairspray' because it DEFINITELY seems like he would've done it exactly that way:):) He would've been choreographing the HECK out of those numbers and hand-picking Christopher Walken and everything! 'Serial Mom' will ALWAYS be my favorite of his movies, though--but it's never been on Monstervision!
I ❤ John waters & hair,spray . both the old & new version. Its awesome to see 2 cinematic experts discuss films. Nice I actually learn alot movies from watching these quips. I love the behind scenes stuff. Im,a movie buff, but even there is alot I don't know.
When Joe Bob ask John about having a "big star" in the movie, I think Joe Bob was talking about having a recognizable celebrity, but John just kept talking about fat people.
I like how Joe Bob managed to use this opportunity to do a long interview with John Waters, while the network execs were annoying him to show more mainstream movies from their catalog and for ratings. He didn't seem to care for these 2 movies much, but he got a great interview out of it.
I love this guys delivery Joe Bob is great but I wish they had moved the auto cue a little nearer to the camera in the first few frames of this. Good to find Joe Bob on You Tube.
"Thousandaire," ha ha ha. Cracked up laughing at John's take on the Wizard of Oz, too. Roger Ebert said, in his book I Hated Hated Hated This Movie: "Note: I am not giving a star rating to Pink Flamingos, because stars simply seem not to apply. It should be considered not as a film but as a fact, or perhaps as an object."
metav3rvse He always makes a point to be serious on that subject, I have seen a number of interviews with john waters where he reacts that way when it's brought up.
In all fairness I was skeptical of his view on such an issue but his essay on her in his book Role Models I think is very well-written and thought out. He gets a point across while working very hard not to insult the families who lost loved ones because of Manson and his cult. He also seems willing to admit maybe he's wrong. It was one of the best essays I've ever read. It definitely challenged me.
I love John Waters and he is very serious on that issue now but his arguments are pretty weak especially when you see how he he talks about the Manson murders in his early work. I've read all his books and seen him talk about it multiple times but he is never convincing, at least not to me. The argument "I would probably feel different is the victims were my parents but they weren't" is completely ridiculous. But as you see here, a lot of people are serious about it and they don't agree with him.
I don't know if it's just me but Joe Bob seemed to be incredibly uncomfortable during this interview. Other than that some of the questions John Waters answered were good, informative and interesting.
I might be completely wrong, but I'd guess that "Joe Bob" is really a somewhat conservative, middle-class presenter putting on an act. He was expecting a John Waters to be wacky and amusingly depraved, but when John started talking about serious issues like rehabilitation the presenter became less and less interested. Edit: At the end, the presenter also seems very uncomfortable with Waters' vague homosexual innuendos.
VarnaVix How could a guy that describes with great glee the nasty scenes in The Fly with Jeff Goldblum, fought hard with The Movie Channel to air The Evil Dead and constantly extols the virtues of violence and sex in film while equally decrying the overzealous, unnecessary use of censorship be a conservative? :o Joe Bob in general doesn't care for sentimentality or seriousness, especially on his show (I mean for pete's sake, he deliberately chose the career path of drive-in B-movie critic because he thought those schlock filled movies that didn't take themselves too seriously deserved just as much praise and attention, if not more so, than the usual mainstream fare) it doesn't matter if someone is gay or straight. Look at his Night of the Living Dead cast reunion show, when one of the cast members goes out of his way to sincerely express his deep gratitude to Joe Bob for bringing them together after all those years, Joe Bob responds by rather quickly waving him off with his patented, uncomfortable looking-away smile towards the camera and a dismissive "ok, ok" before immediately moving on to something else. lol
Joe Bob never does second takes and he wings it most of the time, this isn't a problem when he's by himself but with another person it's more touch and go, even when he's with the mailgirl. It can seem like discomfort if you're used to shows that are more rehearsed, but I've been binging Joe Bob for a few days now and I would say he's pretty relaxed here, relatively speaking.
If you read Joe Bob's current political column he is, in fact, conservative. I think he's very entertaining and his material has been important to B movie culture. He definitely has to be open-minded to some degree, and it's true that he's anti-censorship, but he is still conservative with a lot of hardline issues. It does kind of show when you watch old episodes of Drive-In Theater and he goes on his little rants. But I think he is not against socializing with people from the other side of the political aisle, or he wouldn't be close friends with Joe Lansdale or have had Stephen King do an introduction in his book.
superdupermcgee I had no idea he had a political column, I tend to avoid politics as often as possible. :) What rants would you be talking about though? I ask, because I can't remember any off the top of my head that gave me the impression of his political leanings one way or another. To me, anything Joe Bob said or did was just case of him being southern and kind of clashing with northern sensibilities, but to a harmless degree. I never really got anything political from it. For example, on an interview he talked about the difficulty he ran into acclimating to the new environment and culture his first year or so in New York after living in the South all his life, where he talked about how where he was from, if you didn't give your seat to a lady on a bus, you'd get verbally dressed-down by all the grannies/old ladies in the area, but if you gave your seat to a lady in New York, it could end up offending someone, say if they were older, you were implying they were infirm, or if they were young, they would think you were trying to hit on them. He also mentioned that while New Yorkers tended to cuss each other out casually and walk away like it was no big deal, that if they were to say the kind of stuff they said to each other to a guy in a bar in Mississippi, that guy wouldn't hesitate to put the potty-mouthed New Yorker on the floor. lol Lastly, he mentioned how when he related his stories of having trouble with almost getting into fist fights everyday in New York to other New Yorkers, he was told how everything he said was the stupidest thing they've ever heard and that the stuff he thought from his Southern perspective was disrespectful to a degree warranting physical confrontation was just every day stuff that he needed to just walk away from. I thought it was funny. :p
john waters doesnt want to talk about the manson family, then joe bob says good for you man, sounds like that classic bad TNT editing that was more worried about being politicallly correct while jane fonda was divorcing ted turner and causing a ruckus on saturday night!.
ian mcafee No, I think Waters just takes that whole thing really seriously and didn't want to mention it during such a comedic interview where Joe Bob would turn it into comedic fodder.
My contribution to the conversation about Joe Bob being uncomfortable really, or just part of his character, or conservative really, or just part of this character, etc etc in regards to John Waters, is this: It's not a fucking accident that Joe Bob has seen, does know, and is a fan of John Waters movies and that John Waters is featured on his extremely low budget cable rerun show as an interview guest in the wrap-around segments surrounding an airing of John Waters' own movie . Whatever modern or personal issues you have about people from the south or "flamoyantly queer" (?) people TELEVISION DOES NOT HAPPEN ON ACCIDENT. IF JOHN BLOOM WAS A HOMOPHOBE HE WOULD NOT BE GIVEN AWAY BY BEING "UNCOMFORTABLE" HE WOULD BE GIVEN AWAY BY **NOT HAVING JOHN WATERS ON HIS FUCKING SHOW**. sorry I got upset there.
Actually in one of his old columns he actually said he wasn't a fan of John Waters movies. And has never really talked much about John Waters movies outside of this interview. Of course that's not stuff you bring up when a guest is on. Not too shocking though. Joe Bob/John Bloom didn't start getting into this stuff until the early 80s and by then Waters' glory years were long gone and JBBs scope was more current exploitation fare (Cannon films, kung fu, gore films, T & A movies, etc) so he likely isn't too knowledgeable about Waters' films. Oddly enough, Waters did a blurb for Joe Bob so clearly he's a Joe Bob fan.
Here's what I was referring to, in case you're interested: Dear Mr. Briggs, You sure does seem to know what yer talkin about. What does ya think of that crazy Baltimorean, John Waters? A true God, ain't he? Your fan, Toby Allen Seattle Dear Toby: Mr. "Pink Flamingos" is a little too swishy for me. He's at his best when dealing with midget mutilation.
@@disparityband no problem. But I should mention that bit about Waters is from 1989, so his opinion could've change. Regardless I never hear JB talk much about Waters' films. Too bad as I think Waters is great but his films are an acquired taste, to say the least.
Joe Bob was showing admiration for these directors and films before anyone..... Good for him ..
Love Joe Bob but Fangoria and many fanzines (especially Sleazoid Express) were writing about them first.
Joe Bob made every film i watched on cable feel 10x better.
"you chased her around the set with dove bars so she wouldnt loose weight".. "for fat continuity" !!! hahahaha that is amazing
This is fucking superb! You have John Waters' encompassing, kindly queer precision and Joe Bob Briggs' wiseacre, equally kindly, accepting humour. Bloody Hell, Shudder, get these two cats together again! This is the most entertaining thing I've seen in years. Sterling stuff. 18:22 - 'girls don't wear high heels anymore / and I think the world is worse off for it too.' When a gay and a straight man agree on the single thing eroding joy from our lives to this day, then the universe has aligned on the same point:- a flat heel is a wasted heel.
Fifteen years later and I STILL wish John had directed the 2007 'Hairspray' because it DEFINITELY seems like he would've done it exactly that way:):) He would've been choreographing the HECK out of those numbers and hand-picking Christopher Walken and everything! 'Serial Mom' will ALWAYS be my favorite of his movies, though--but it's never been on Monstervision!
Great interview, love the chemistry between them
I ❤ John waters & hair,spray . both the old & new version. Its awesome to see 2 cinematic experts discuss films. Nice I actually learn alot movies from watching these quips. I love the behind scenes stuff. Im,a movie buff, but even there is alot I don't know.
Thanks for uploading these!
It would have been awesome if they were showing an unedited version of Pink Flamingos. That would give them a lot to talk about.
"Sometime i wake up grumpy, and sometimes I let her sleep longer" 😂😂🙏🏻🙏🏻
There getting closer and closer each time they come back from commercial LoL 😂
all of those tnt\monstervision\summer school websites are still there, frozen in time.
41:13 - Oh man - Rosanne as the Egg Lady, of Queen Carlotta would have been the best thing on screen to this day.
these two movie nerds together is awesome. this is what they should have on tv instead of whoever does the siskel and ebert bit today.
Rusty Shackleford nobody does that
"Drag queens were so square back then," lol.
I love Baxter!
"Beware the dog that thinks"
When Joe Bob ask John about having a "big star" in the movie, I think Joe Bob was talking about having a recognizable celebrity, but John just kept talking about fat people.
I like how Joe Bob managed to use this opportunity to do a long interview with John Waters, while the network execs were annoying him to show more mainstream movies from their catalog and for ratings. He didn't seem to care for these 2 movies much, but he got a great interview out of it.
I love John Waters.
I really wish there was a box seat.
I love this guys delivery Joe Bob is great but I wish they had moved the auto cue a little nearer to the camera in the first few frames of this. Good to find Joe Bob on You Tube.
"They put his left leg in, and, well you know the rest"
Orange Pourage I
"Thousandaire," ha ha ha. Cracked up laughing at John's take on the Wizard of Oz, too.
Roger Ebert said, in his book I Hated Hated Hated This Movie: "Note: I am not giving a star rating to Pink Flamingos, because stars simply seem not to apply. It should be considered not as a film but as a fact, or perhaps as an object."
he says he will never be in another film. but he had a small role in Seed of Chucky
What year was this?
American Pie wasn't out yet but they were talking about it so I'm gonna say 1999.
Got a little testy there over Leslie Van Houten
metav3rvse He always makes a point to be serious on that subject, I have seen a number of interviews with john waters where he reacts that way when it's brought up.
In all fairness I was skeptical of his view on such an issue but his essay on her in his book Role Models I think is very well-written and thought out. He gets a point across while working very hard not to insult the families who lost loved ones because of Manson and his cult. He also seems willing to admit maybe he's wrong. It was one of the best essays I've ever read. It definitely challenged me.
I love John Waters and he is very serious on that issue now but his arguments are pretty weak especially when you see how he he talks about the Manson murders in his early work. I've read all his books and seen him talk about it multiple times but he is never convincing, at least not to me. The argument "I would probably feel different is the victims were my parents but they weren't" is completely ridiculous. But as you see here, a lot of people are serious about it and they don't agree with him.
I don't know if it's just me but Joe Bob seemed to be incredibly uncomfortable during this interview. Other than that some of the questions John Waters answered were good, informative and interesting.
I might be completely wrong, but I'd guess that "Joe Bob" is really a somewhat conservative, middle-class presenter putting on an act. He was expecting a John Waters to be wacky and amusingly depraved, but when John started talking about serious issues like rehabilitation the presenter became less and less interested. Edit: At the end, the presenter also seems very uncomfortable with Waters' vague homosexual innuendos.
VarnaVix How could a guy that describes with great glee the nasty scenes in The Fly with Jeff Goldblum, fought hard with The Movie Channel to air The Evil Dead and constantly extols the virtues of violence and sex in film while equally decrying the overzealous, unnecessary use of censorship be a conservative? :o
Joe Bob in general doesn't care for sentimentality or seriousness, especially on his show (I mean for pete's sake, he deliberately chose the career path of drive-in B-movie critic because he thought those schlock filled movies that didn't take themselves too seriously deserved just as much praise and attention, if not more so, than the usual mainstream fare) it doesn't matter if someone is gay or straight. Look at his Night of the Living Dead cast reunion show, when one of the cast members goes out of his way to sincerely express his deep gratitude to Joe Bob for bringing them together after all those years, Joe Bob responds by rather quickly waving him off with his patented, uncomfortable looking-away smile towards the camera and a dismissive "ok, ok" before immediately moving on to something else. lol
Joe Bob never does second takes and he wings it most of the time, this isn't a problem when he's by himself but with another person it's more touch and go, even when he's with the mailgirl. It can seem like discomfort if you're used to shows that are more rehearsed, but I've been binging Joe Bob for a few days now and I would say he's pretty relaxed here, relatively speaking.
If you read Joe Bob's current political column he is, in fact, conservative. I think he's very entertaining and his material has been important to B movie culture. He definitely has to be open-minded to some degree, and it's true that he's anti-censorship, but he is still conservative with a lot of hardline issues. It does kind of show when you watch old episodes of Drive-In Theater and he goes on his little rants. But I think he is not against socializing with people from the other side of the political aisle, or he wouldn't be close friends with Joe Lansdale or have had Stephen King do an introduction in his book.
superdupermcgee I had no idea he had a political column, I tend to avoid politics as often as possible. :) What rants would you be talking about though? I ask, because I can't remember any off the top of my head that gave me the impression of his political leanings one way or another.
To me, anything Joe Bob said or did was just case of him being southern and kind of clashing with northern sensibilities, but to a harmless degree. I never really got anything political from it.
For example, on an interview he talked about the difficulty he ran into acclimating to the new environment and culture his first year or so in New York after living in the South all his life, where he talked about how where he was from, if you didn't give your seat to a lady on a bus, you'd get verbally dressed-down by all the grannies/old ladies in the area, but if you gave your seat to a lady in New York, it could end up offending someone, say if they were older, you were implying they were infirm, or if they were young, they would think you were trying to hit on them. He also mentioned that while New Yorkers tended to cuss each other out casually and walk away like it was no big deal, that if they were to say the kind of stuff they said to each other to a guy in a bar in Mississippi, that guy wouldn't hesitate to put the potty-mouthed New Yorker on the floor. lol
Lastly, he mentioned how when he related his stories of having trouble with almost getting into fist fights everyday in New York to other New Yorkers, he was told how everything he said was the stupidest thing they've ever heard and that the stuff he thought from his Southern perspective was disrespectful to a degree warranting physical confrontation was just every day stuff that he needed to just walk away from. I thought it was funny. :p
Like this interview because it reminds people how sensitive and touching society was compared to now even though people believe its sensitive now:D
I see a lot of this Jo Bob person a not enough John Waters.
You can feel the sexual tension.
no.
john waters doesnt want to talk about the manson family, then joe bob says good for you man, sounds like that classic bad TNT editing that was more worried about being politicallly correct while jane fonda was divorcing ted turner and causing a ruckus on saturday night!.
ian mcafee No, I think Waters just takes that whole thing really seriously and didn't want to mention it during such a comedic interview where Joe Bob would turn it into comedic fodder.
Sometimes I wake up grumpy and sometimes I let her sleep.
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Hahahah!!
JBB ,,,,,,SOooooooo Hot!
My contribution to the conversation about Joe Bob being uncomfortable really, or just part of his character, or conservative really, or just part of this character, etc etc in regards to John Waters, is this:
It's not a fucking accident that Joe Bob has seen, does know, and is a fan of John Waters movies and that John Waters is featured on his extremely low budget cable rerun show as an interview guest in the wrap-around segments surrounding an airing of John Waters' own movie . Whatever modern or personal issues you have about people from the south or "flamoyantly queer" (?) people TELEVISION DOES NOT HAPPEN ON ACCIDENT. IF JOHN BLOOM WAS A HOMOPHOBE HE WOULD NOT BE GIVEN AWAY BY BEING "UNCOMFORTABLE" HE WOULD BE GIVEN AWAY BY **NOT HAVING JOHN WATERS ON HIS FUCKING SHOW**.
sorry I got upset there.
Actually in one of his old columns he actually said he wasn't a fan of John Waters movies. And has never really talked much about John Waters movies outside of this interview. Of course that's not stuff you bring up when a guest is on. Not too shocking though. Joe Bob/John Bloom didn't start getting into this stuff until the early 80s and by then Waters' glory years were long gone and JBBs scope was more current exploitation fare (Cannon films, kung fu, gore films, T & A movies, etc) so he likely isn't too knowledgeable about Waters' films. Oddly enough, Waters did a blurb for Joe Bob so clearly he's a Joe Bob fan.
Here's what I was referring to, in case you're interested:
Dear Mr. Briggs,
You sure does seem to know what yer talkin about. What does ya think of that crazy Baltimorean, John Waters? A true God, ain't he?
Your fan,
Toby Allen
Seattle
Dear Toby:
Mr. "Pink Flamingos" is a little too swishy for me. He's at his best when dealing with midget mutilation.
@@brandonhendrix7223 interesting stuff . I appreciate time taken sir
@@disparityband no problem. But I should mention that bit about Waters is from 1989, so his opinion could've change. Regardless I never hear JB talk much about Waters' films. Too bad as I think Waters is great but his films are an acquired taste, to say the least.
Joe Bob si so scripted....