Funny. It was history that British Empire agitated Tibet interest group for independence, and Britain fabricated Simla Agreement. Of course, Britain and Tibet local interest group signed on it. It is absurd this video’s author repeatedly mentioned this Simla agreement, as if this were a legal binding document. Simply British Empire just wanted, at that time, to annex Tibet from China, and put it as an autonomous state in a transitional period. End of day, Britain dreamed of merging Tibet into British India. But that is a dream only. Will never happen. In short, I am more than happy to see Scotland, as well as Northern Ireland to break from UK. Should be able to witness this.
Whichever side won the Chinese civil war, Tibet would have been returned to Chinese rule. This was something both the Nationalists and the Communists were in agreeement about (in fact the Communists were less ardently irredentist than the Nationalists, since they at least accepted the independence of Outer Mongolia).
The only reason the CCP was less irredentist is because Mongolia at the time was ruled by a Soviet Communist puppet. The ROC saw Soviet influence in Mongolia as an expansion into rightful Chinese territories. Sometimes it's important to notice history from the historical lens of their times. I am willing to bet that Mao would've tried to claim or even expand into Outer Mongolia , had it was the Russian Empire that installed a puppet there.
Considering no western countries had diplomatic recognition of Tibet as separate from China, it's a rather moot point to say that western countries viewed it as an 'invasion and occupation'.
In fact it was a invasion and occupation. Just not technically and it was a landlocked nation that was in the process of independence but got botched by party affiliates in its government and the Chinese seeing a opportunity to quickly Occupy the nation before it got admitted into the UN.
@@whoareyouyouareclearlylost323 When zero countries in the world recognized Tibet as separate from China, it was not "in fact" an invasion and occupation. Your username is a sufficient refutation of your own assertion. Who are you? Clearly your words hold less weight than the entirety of the world's diplomacy.
A interesting fact: the 14th Dalai Lama is ethnic Tibetan, but his hometown is Qinghai province. He became the 14th Dalai Lama was under ROC government's gser-bum-skrug-pa rule which was announced by Qianlong Emperor in 1700s to handle the reincarnation system of Dalai Lama.
@@MARKINAU8 But those region never under Dalai Lama's government, in fact, even today's Tibet region was divided by two parts in old time and Dalai Lama controlled the eastern part, the western part was Panchen Lama in charge. By the way, the 10th Panchen Lama was born in Qinghai province too（100 km away from 14th Dalai Lama's birth place）. And he didn't involved the rebellion of Dalai group. He became Vice chairman of the CPPCC National Committee (similar level as vice premier) twice, and died with cardiac disease in 1989.
@@weishi9804 the hui population came in to Qinghai(Amdo) from Shaanxi and Ningxia sent by the Qing emperor in the 18th century. They were fighting from late 1700's even into the warlord period after the breakdown of Qing empire in the early 1900's....
On the UK's stance: don't forget they were also worried about Hong Kong. Some feared that any adverse reaction from the UK, agaisnt China, might cause an invasion/anexation of Hong Kong...
1:51 Fall of the Qing dynasty following revolts led by Sun Yat Sen 2:41 Sentiments in Tibet & Simla convention 4:51 Events following CCP's victory in Chinese Civil War 5:39 Negotiations 7:03 Battle of Chamdo (China attacks Tibet) 11:21 Tibet forced back to the negotiation table Use of divination 13:12 Tibet's plea to UN 14:54 Further negotiations & the acceptance of a 17 point agreement by the Dalai Lama 17:29 Tibetan rebellion & consequences
It's a Territory of China and has an English name just like Canton .not an independent country since the Qin dynasty of China, The ROC is busied with civil war &&World ii&& a new civil war until the 1950th. And Dalai isn't the only Buddhist least of Tibet,5 million?. the west doesn't understand the Chinese civil war logic which lasted two thousand years that's why many Chinese people don't like them, and both fire at their boats when they want to split china with RPC and ROC by the Yangzi River, intervals other Country's internal affairs. I'm shocked it declared to be a document channel, neglecting many things with no respect and breed traitors is easy but this will help increase Chinese nationalism. and then you nuke them out and declared the Chinese start world war to the whole world? First, the Qing dynasty of the Chinese is the Chinese then The ROC is the Chinese, now ROC is not Chinese, Obviously the Cantonese is not Chinese too in the future. thanks to god's people, they just need a logic to cover their unti_mankind crime invasion of India of America.
China does not recognize it, just as Czechoslovakia does not recognize the Munich agreement Because it was only signed by the representatives of Britain and Tibet
@@willkim4798 But China did not control that territory functionally for many decades...which means that its territorial claims under MODERN international law are tenuous at best.
Like most things in history, this one is gray. PRC was anything but mild and friendly to Tibet and its population, yet, at the same time, they did develop the region quite a bit and ended one of the last medieval-style feudal serfdom domains in the world. They destroyed hundreds (if not thousands) of ancient Tibetan monasteries, yet they also refurbished many and provided funds for hundreds that were in disrepair and decades (sometimes centuries) of neglect to be restored and protected. They fought hard against Tibetan theocracy, yes, but consider that the Tibet and its culture we know in the world today is actually the one we accessed after the Chinese civil war. Tibet we mostly know and love is the one brought to us by PRC... that we say destroyed their culture and identity. And, as people have stated, Tibet wasn't actually an independent country at that time, at least no one except Mongolia recognized it as such (iirc). Similar to Abkhazia today. So when PRC came in the 1950's, they were, in legal terms, reasserting the control of the central government over a breakaway province. Yet, Tibet proclaimed independence, but no one considered it as an independent state. To the world, it was just another rebellious province of Republic of China after the fall of Qing empire. No one cared then... why care now? Except on the ideological basis, because the west hates anything that has socialist or communist in its name. Neither Qing nor RoC were any milder of friendlier towards Tibet, yet we never see them in the same light as PRC. That's hypocrisy on our part. Long story short, this is one of the countless examples where history is not black and white and when people arguing a certain point are both right and wrong at the same time. So in the end, it becomes a subjective thing - which is not something you should be doing when something supposedly scientific and factual should be discussed. The best we can do is to simply tell EVERYTHING that happened and leave it at that, refraining from moral (subjective) judgement. Just present the facts and leave it at that.
@@sosoable Oh, you think Chinese did not do some of their own slaughtering at the same time? Really, how do you think China got that big? :) Chinese history is full of mass slaughter and exterminations, unfortunately.
This is a documentary filmed by the United States during World War II. Please check the map of China in the 2.30-second video to see if Tibet is within the territory of China. Your ability to lie is disgusting ruclips.net/video/leP7tW9cP5k/видео.html
Thats exactly. This vlogger is apart of CIA funded project to blackpaint china. Hope Hawaiji and many US occupied region/states will gain back their independency in future.
They destroyed majority of the monasteries and used the destroyed religious artifacts to build roads. They only refurbished monasteries once they learned the international interest in tourism in Tibet. You said this isn’t black and white and yet continued to spew what the CCP always says.
I have to say that the thumbnail map of "Tibet" is probably one of most bizarre and inaccurate depictions I've seen of that region. I'm not sure you you randomly have Tibet basically possess the entirety of Qinghai province, and bits of Gansu, Yunnan, Sichuan, Xinjiang as well for no apparent reason. It's like if you wanted to make a map of Ohio but included random parts of Pennsylvania, the entire southern part of Michigan, and part of Illinois and Indiana. Even the Tibetan state that existed briefly in the early 20th century didn't include those borders, it basically just comprised of the current Tibetan autonomous region in China borderwise.
@@Sir_Squirrel_TheIV it's fairly obvious this map represents Tibet as a political entity, not the geographic Tibetan plateau. Otherwise they could include an even larger part of Xinjiang if so
It’s a map of the Tibetan cultural-linguistic area - ‘Greater Tibet’ (which is why it is projected as the area for an independent Tibet). Sizeable parts of the provinces neighbouring Tibet are or were demographically dominated by Tibetans. I have spent a whole trip travelling around the Tibetan areas of Sichuan province for example.
@@oliet9947 that's like including Singapore or Vancouver as part of China because large numbers of people of Chinese heritage live there, the thumbnail most likely denotes the political entity of Tibet considering they are using its flag
@@hankhill6707 When he says that he's talking about how there was once a MAJORITY of Tibetans there. The Chinese are NOT THE MAJORITY in Singapore and Vancouver. Your just trying to find a reason to hate the video.
I wrote a paper on Tibet years ago when I was in college, one thing I remember is that prior to the Chinese invasion about 50% of the land was actually owned by the monasteries. So it was inevitable that the Chinese government would have a lot of friction with Buddhism.
The same type of wealth and land transfer from religious ownership to secular happened in protestant countries hundreds of years ago. It's not weird, it's logical. Secular ownership typically encourages innovation and efficiency and thus more than religious ownership. This can be seen throughout history.
Surprised by your interest in Tibet. But I don't think it's a conflict between the Communist Party and Buddhism because the Communist Party doesn't want to destroy the Dalai Lama. but wants an agricultural revolution that is a class struggle
Smart man, do some research Tibet was ruled by the noble caste and the monks led by the “divine Dalai Lama” mind you the Dalai Lama was selected by the nobles 😂 that’s how they reincarnated. Anyway back in the serf day, the monks and nobles went mad, the way the punished their serfs was worse than demons, including skinning baby’s from the bottom half, using seed bones as musical instruments, and using skins to write sutras 😂. Ask the Dalai Lama what happens to the serfs when they get back in power? These faction rebelled against the Chinese gov, and the Chinese liberated the serfs. Go to Tibet and see the musuems, you will be shocked and disgusted at how they twisted Buddhas philosophy. Disgusting demons
If you have heard of the atrocities committed by Tibetan slave owners and the horrific religious ceremonies, you will feel that the black slaves who grew cotton in the United States in the 19th century were all happy.
Strategically only the Indian armed forces had any ability to intervene but would still have been at a disadvantage to the Chinese logistically and there was no appetite for war with its' most powerful neighbour. The independence of Tibet lasted less than a century and was due to internal problems within China.
Not all of Tibet. Only Dali Lama parts. There is a Panchen Lama. His lands are not Dali Lama's. Tibet is not a nation, but a feudal state. With Dual Lama's. It's like having Two Popes.
@@armchairwarrior963 It depended on when and where. Tibet was run by various kings and religious authorities, but local leaders always had the most say.
Tibet was independent for most of its history. It was ruled by Yuan, the Mongol dynasty that also ruled China, but it was never ruled by China directly until the invasion. Before that Tibet was just a vassal state that paid tribute to China but that was about it.
Tibet and Scotland have a very similar history - both came under the dominance of a much more powerful neughbour from the 12th century. Both had periods of independence and periods of subservience/unification since then.
The Scottish didn’t have 98% of its population as serfs in 1959. Scotland doesn’t take human skins and make them into books and lamps. Tibet before annexation was a 17th century monarchical backwater.
So shall the global sent volunteers to Scotland to declare independence and break away from UK. Hope to CIA may help as UK no more rule by whites but by an Indian whose roots lead to UK colony India. What is happening to white supremacists? KKK especially from USA?.no offence to Indians,I am not directing at you. I have good friends and brothers from India and Malaysia.
China has no true claim on Tibet and out of Tibets history which goes back (in terms of people living their as Tibetans) To likely 10, 000 or more years but in "proper" history it goes back for at least 2300 years or even longer depending on various sources but is at least 2300 years (likely longer) Out of Tibets very ancient history of course its had skirmishes invasions and it itself invaded other empires , countries etc (including the Tang dynasty of china But out of Tibets 1000s of years of history only 2 times is their any argument that it was occupied "by china" (pre ccp) One was as you said the Yuan dynasty which absolutely was a foreign ruler over china. Look at the mongol empire map and yuan dynasty was literally just one province (area) of its empire and was ruled by rulers such as Kubla khan and relatives /ancestors and yes it took on court system of china (as it invaded and took it!!) and it took on some aspects of china culture but it was absolutely a foreign ruler and part of the wider mongol empire so absolutely in no way , shape or form can they sue the excuse of the yuan dynasty (not to mention the yuan didnt even really properly fully rule over Tibet in the first place and was a priest patron relationship (even prior to the yuan mongols had some influence in Tibet and vice versa) And even if it was a fully han Chinese empire and even if it did invade and occupy Tibet for 100/150 Years that is no way enough. Then after that was the Han ming who had very little to do with Tibet besides trade and maybe some diplomacy etc and after was again a Non han dynasty from the Manchuria the Jurchen ethnic people or the Manchu Qing dynasty which also was seen as foreign invaders and even more then then mongols took on aspects of the predominant majority han culture but if you read any history you will see much of the han were Not happy being ruled by what they seen as "people from the steppes" and foreign invaders and even so the fact the Manchu Qing dynasty actually ruled over Tibet is also up for debate at best as during that time Tibet seemed to be doing most things itself with almost no Chinese or even Manchurian in Tibet and tibetans making there own decisions for the m most part so maybe like a protectorate state of Qing. Anyway lets just say that both the yuan mongol empire and the Manchu Qing dynasty werent foreign dominators of china (and sorry to say to the Chinese this absolutely 100% must be taken into consideration as whether they can claim Tibet especially in regards to the yuan and even the qing) Anyway lets say that the yuan and Qing were fully han dynasties and lets say both took fully over tibet and ruled tibet (even under those circumstances wouldn't be a claim on Tibet as Tibets history goes back at least 2300 years and you can not say bcos they were invaded and occupied a few times for a few hundred years out of 1000s of years of history with 2 diff dynasties who didnt even rule side by side of each other that even that is a claim that Tibet belongs to china and they know this (and that is even if it wasnt the mongol empire extentsion which ruled over china and Qing who also ruled over china and both didnt even fully rule over Tibet..lets face it Patrick the Chinese have no real historic claims at all whatsoever to any of Tibet (besides from maybe some border regions) many countries have had foreign influence and for much longer then Tibet but for the overwhelming majority of Tibets history it wants under any rule let alone chinas rule ..they know it , we know it , we all know it ..Tashi delek , Tujey che , Böd Gyalo ..and I think this guy video is from a pro china one ..Tibet is occupied by China and almost no Chinese lived in Tibet pre 1950 (except in some border regions) Free Tibet
@@IbhrahimBishara False information. You are a historical nihilist. I guess you are an Indian. According to your logic, India has no history. Because they are all a history of slavery caused by alien invasions! India has a glorious history of being enslaved by Alexander the Great, Persians, Arabs, Turks, Mongols, Portuguese and British.
everyday forgets everything. nobody cares how our pretender in chief lost Afghanistan and 13 marine lives less than a year ago. people just want their Instagrams and newest tech very few give history, even recent history a second thought
The imperialistc western powers were just butthurt that they couldn't divide the region anymore, like a pizza, like they did to China in the Boxers and Opium wars. . So, China's payback and protection time. Analyzing what they've been thru I don't blame them. Did the americans cared about indigenous ppl when they went west!? Did they cared about mexicans when they went south?! No, they took by force and kept spreading their capitalistic colonialism all over Latin America making many banana wars.. So, americans and western ppl cant talk too much as innocents about this tibet-china topic. Dont be hypocritical. If they want something to be undone they should do on the lands they took first. Of course there were tibetans backed up by CIA, they dont waste time and meddle into every corner of the world, imagine if it was the other way around...
A lot of comments here are dedicated to this "what about the west" angle but I always thought that was strange. As someone in the US I'm well aware of what the west has done to expand its power through colonialism and other acts, and almost everyone I know in person is aware as well. Ironically, that makes me all the more familiar with this kind of deflection, where instead of giving an actual assessment of what they saw or felt in the lesson, people attempt to deflect to things other nations have done instead. The whole world has some "unfair", inhumane, and brutal series of events that has led it to the present. Saying "what about x country" is a bit pointless.
I suppose the "whataboutism" came about because non-Western people find that a Western person making such criticism is hypocritical, given the history of Western nations.
the difference is: Tibet was part of China since 1700. so it was more like a separatists movement. a good comparison would be the US civil war. would you say the north invaded and annexed the south when they wanted to be an independent country?
It is not about whataboutism. It is about justice. Germany faced justice. Japan faced justice in the form of 2 nuclear detonation. Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Cuba and many more are still waiting for justice to be serve. Instead the criminals are deflecting their own crime to avoid justice.
@@bitterballs356 why did you fall into the Chinese propaganda stance that the Tibetans were savages so they needed to be modernized and civilized? You do realize shit like this is Chinese bullshit right?
China cannot invade Tibet because a country cannot invade its own territory, the Tibetan Empire disappeared about 1,200 years ago, and Tibet has been a Chinese province since 700 years. Tibet has never been independent, has never been recognized by any country or had embassies anywhere. Formally, the highest authority in Tibet were the Chinese emperors who collected taxes and appointed officials in charge of collecting them, but the religious authorities had a lot of influence. In 1791 the Gurkas invaded Tibet and were repulsed thanks to the intervention of the Chinese army. The best proof that Tibet is Chinese territory is that after the triumph of the Chinese Revolution, the Dalai Lama, as a religious leader, was offered one of the vice-presidencies of the Chinese State, and as such he attended several sessions. The subsequent conflict was economic rather than cultural or religious. Shortly after the triumph of its revolution, China carried out a land reform in Tibet to allocate land to poor peasants, which affected the economic and political power of the priestly caste and aristocracy, which owned the most land. This conflict was used by the US as part of the cold war, in its confrontation with China. According to statements by the US State Department in the early 1950s: «Tibet becomes a strategically and ideologically important area. Since the independence of Tibet can serve as a fight against communism, it is in our interest to recognize it as an independent rather than an integral part of China." And he adds: «The situation changes if a government in exile is created. In this case, our interest will be to support the independence of Tibet without recognizing it. The recognition of the independence of Tibet is not the really important issue. It is about our attitude towards China.” The Dalai Lama is a confused character and full of contradictions. Not long ago he declared himself a Marxist, which put the American specialists in advertising warfare who deal with this issue in a very uncomfortable position. ---- expansion.mx/mundo/2011/06/14/soy-marxista-dice-el-dalai-lama-y-detona-la-sorpresa-de-su-auditorio
You need to do some research on exactly what the various dynasties of Chinas policies towards Tibet were and whether Tibet acknowledged the claims. In fact they did not. So if I publish a paper that says the car parked outside my house is mine when in fact it is not, does the act of publication make the car mine? The sources of your information only cite Chinese sources because they are Chinese scholars who cannot go against the government that funds them.
@@ricksmithguitar 700 years as a Chinese province is long enough for it to be considered Chinese territory, the Yankees stole half of its territory from Mexico a little over a century ago and they consider those states as their own. I have searched without success for information on Tibetan rebellions against Chinese rule, if you find something please send it to me. Since China's economic downturn threatens US hegemony, the US has launched its powerful advertising media against China. The US attacks China by all means, Hong Kong, China Sea, Covid, Uyghurs, the balloons, Tibet, whatever, but all these attacks are suspiciously coincidental with the commercial conflict that the US has with China. Rather with the trade war that the US is losing against China. Fortunately the US is an empire in decline.
Well done Cold War Team! I’ve been waiting for a Tibet video for a while now and you did not disappoint! Fun fact: CIA backed Tibetan guerrillas were trained at Fort Hale on the outskirts of Leadville in my home state of Colorado where the famed 10th Mountain Division of WWII was trained. I hope you’ll check back in on Tibet in a future video!
Interestingly, according to declassified CIA documents, from 1957-1962, the CIA airdropped 20 teams of trained terrorists from Fort Hale into Tibet. Of all these teams, 19 of them were all captured or killed within two weeks. The one remaining team managed to evade the PLA for two years before simply fleeing Tibet, having done nothing other than run from the PLA troops the entire time. What is fascinating about this history is that, it simply could not have been accomplished without Tibetans themselves being extremely hostile to these terrorists and working with the PLA to capture or kill them. They were obviously unable to get any assistance from the Tibetans living in Tibet, which tells you a lot about what the Tibetans who actually live in Tibet think about U.S. attempts to destabilize their homeland.
@@jasonjean2901 True. The narrative of the Cold War Team and its viewers are utterly devoid of the concept of class struggle being biased towards its western side of the ideological concept. They make it so there is no distinction between the oppressed peasantry of Tibet that supported the PLA and the theocratic Budhists elite that are used paradoxically by the CIA as a justification to fight against a revolutionary liberation army of a then anti imperialist nation. Its a well made video but the bias is to much as if the Cold War was still present.
@@jasonjean2901 My auntie who married to son of a brass HongKong police who colluding in heroin drug trafficking in CIA circle from Thailand to HK and then distributed to Europe and US. Her father in law also was helped by CIA fledding to Colorado change his name and biography evaded the Brit newly set up ICAC cracked down on those big event police corruption in HK then.
would be interesting if one day someone make a cultural revolution channel and make it under the format just like the WW1 and WW2 channels. that's ten years though
Love this coverage on Tibet, I’d like to suggest also covering the other Indo-Pakistan wars as they aren’t covered much elsewhere and would be interesting to see.
@@tomaszzalewski4541 luckily west is so democratic, only you can get sacked from job for telling black that he is a black. Other than that is all democracy, see how Trumps free speech was respected, he wasn't banned from Twitter or smh like that.
Applying the framework of modern customary law to "China's" relationship with Tibet is anachronistic. China was not a signatory of the treaty of Westphalia. In the eye of the Chinese court, their relationship to Tibet was one of ownership.
and yet Tibet has a different religion, different customs, different language. And a full population that did NOT want Chinese annexation. China's desire to annex it was ITS problem. Not Tibet's, not the World's
@@bizu08 I don't think you have any idea how Tibetans suffered at that time period under the rule of aristocracy, and you wouldn't know if "a full population that did not want Chinese annexation." The people who were rejecting Chinese rule were the aristocracy who were afraid of being overturned and they clearly didn't give a damn about their own people.
According to the logic of Westerners, there is no country or region that should not be independent. The United States is a new country established by European pirates who exterminated the aborigines and invaded their land. Scotland and Northern Ireland in the United Kingdom were first slaughtered by the Anglo-Saxons through war and then colonized for a long time.
@@bizu08 The only people who were adamantly against annexation were the ruling class clergy. And Tibetans suffered more under their own nation-state than they did under communism
Xizang before 1949 was not a de facto independent state; it was more like a warlord, similar to other warlords in China at the same time. For example, Zhang Zuolin was a warlord in Northeast China, Yan Xishan was a warlord in Shanxi province, and even the GMT government in Guangdong province could be considered a warlord, since the central government was based in Beijing at that time. All warlords had their own armies, independent from the central government's army. Zhang, Yan, and the GMT government all signed many treaties with foreign governments independently, just like the Dalai Lama's government did in Xizang. The GMT government even imported many USSR army officers and signed a treaty for weapons aid from the USSR for the GMT army.
These people have been brainwashed they don't really want to know the truth. They just want to get some information to strengthen what they have been brainwashed for. No matter how much evidence you gave them, they don't care and will just insist Tibet was independent, Tibetans are oppressed and need to be "freed"
According to the logic of Westerners, there is no country or region that should not be independent. The United States is a new country established by European pirates who exterminated the aborigines and invaded their land. Scotland and Northern Ireland in the United Kingdom were first slaughtered by the Anglo-Saxons through war and then colonized for a long time.
All of US was 'annexed' from the native folks. And SW was annexed from Mexico. Alaska was first annexed from Eskimos by Russians, then by US who bought it.
A nice video, except for a very important miss. You make an effort to point out that China called it "Liberation", but you never point out Why. The closest you came to explain is that Tibetan culture is feudal. You also mentioned that China kept its promise and never change Tibetan culture in early years, not accurate. Here's why it was called "Liberation". Tibetan practiced Caste system and the lowest caste was essentially kept as slaves. China, being communist that believes in class-less society... hence, Liberated the Tibetan & caste system is abolished. You should point out this China's claim.. even if you refuted afterwards.
Of course China became castleless where everyone was now equal... But some were more equal then others I.e anyone in main communist party and Mao’s circle where they got everything they want while millions starve to death from there incompetent policies. Also if it was just liberation, they would’ve allowed Tibet remain independent but with a different government after the invasion, but the fact they annexed the whole nation under there direct control shows me they had other motivations then to “free” the Tibetan people.
@@brandonlyon730 Who cares about the motives? Look at the aftermath. China's takeover of Tibet was objectively better for Tibetans in every aspect. Cities, waterways, and trains are built, average life span shoots up from 35 years to 80 years, serfdom and slavery abolished, and affirmative action given to Tibetans. I could go on and list countless benefits for the Tibetans. By the way, China allowed Tibet to continue its feudal system, as an autonomous region. China invaded once local Tibetan rulers raised armies and massacred bureaucrats in the region.
Man the information here is really good quality but the 'freedom' language is a real pet peeve of mine. The situation is repeatedly described as 'tibet's freedom was under threat' rather than 'tibets independence was under threat'. I mean, you say yourself that it was a feudal society run by the superstitions of theocrats who had the authority to assert what the will of God is. It didn't sound super 'free' for the average peasant whether they got independence or not. Any state that goes independent is still run by a state apparatus that must hold a monopoly on force etc. Separatism doesn't just lead to a lovely eutopia where everyone is 'free'. It's just the same state apparatus but smaller...
Free as sovereign. Sure Tibet was no liberal democracy. Well in stateless sedentary mass societies or in societies with very weak none functional state, you have warlords, ma ny actors of violence and clan structures. The rule of law and stability is needed for any civil liberty to exist.
That's a good point, its a bad thing to lose context like that when remembering history. Though I do think the "freedom" language would be well used to describe how they exist today. Everyone in China who isn't han chinese is having a bad time, let alone the ones in the chinese borderlands, and the average han isn't doing too much better.
I disagree with tibet peasant being slaves one. I would like a video on it cause it was one of main cause china invaded. But now those peasants are free are they really free do they like the new authority or would have liked a representative who was elected
@@prw56 this is just pure bullshit, the minorities in China have many privileges, including automatically adding more marks in the college entrance exams, not restricted by the one-child policy and more.
@@prw56 that’s simply not true. Minority Chinese get into the same university as Han Chinese but with lower bar to ensure equality. As a Han Chinese I’m super jealous of these non Han Chinese, their culture is well preserved and they are privileged in every aspect of the society.
historical fact is that china took tibet in 1720 from mongols. and since then tibet is part of china as it was part of mongolia in the predecessing 600 years. and fact is also that more than 90% of tibetan population nowadays are happy to be part of china.
@@bizbe4465 That won't work, because by that logic, any conquests post-1720 should be considered "invalid." This would invalidate all border changes due to conquest since then; otherwise, it's holding China to a double standard.
@ZhangtheGreat News flash all countries hold other countries to a double standard. That aside that was my whole point. It's stupid to think that way in general. Everything america did to form it's borders is horrible. Everything China did to form its borders is horrible. Etc etc. The issue isn't that China took Tibet. It's WHEN Tibet was retaken. Only a few years after a world War. Then proceeded to treat every province they captured horribly. To this day China abuses and tortures it's minority populace. The biggest victims currently being uyghur minority. China annexing other countries while they were forming could be forgiven. For their youth every country has done horrible things before becoming democratic and providing rights. China has REFUSED to do either of those things. China continues to protect north Korea a dystopia of a nation. As well as crushing protests in the streets. KILLING political opponents who oppose the ruling regime. Communist China is essentially a modern equivalent of the Soviet union. All the rights abuse and corruption to go with it.
@@bizbe4465 In many ways, China under the current regime is still in its "youth." It hasn't even been around for 100 years yet. That said, what China has learned from its 19th Century experience is that nobody gives a crap as long as economic needs are taken care of. Critics can scream and shout, but internally, the population is satisfied with their own economic situations, and that's enough. It won't satisfy idealists who argue for democratic reforms and more transparency, but it's reality.
The map in the thumbnail is wrong, "East Turkestan" never existed, it was under the control of Chinese warlord Sheng Shi Chi and later by KMT directly. Also, Tibet wasn't that big either.
@@CannibaLouiST But it's only a term, it's not declared as East Turkestan. Labelling it as East Turkestan suggests East Turkestan existed as a political entity, which is not true.
@@CannibaLouiST It's not about terminologies, because it's simply wrong to call it so. You can't just call Christian Spain al andalus or Russia as the Soviet Union in modern times. It's important to refer to political entities with proper names at that current time, otherwise you'd probably fail high school history for a start.
@@jingchengyang8957 Soviet Union was called Russia by many throughout the years to this day. The Roman Empire after the western part fell can be called the Greek Empire/Byzantium/Byzantine Empire. Meanshile, al-Andalus ain't even the formal name of the Caliphates over there. It's of course about terminologies. It's terminologies on top of politics. And East Turkestan, Chinese Tartary aren't the only terms either, there's also the Chinese Turkistan. Translated Chinese terms at the time only give out Sinkiang, Hsin-chiang and more, but not Xinjiang until the 1950s.
@@213kilacaliThis is a late reply to your question of whether Tibet's feudal theocratic serfdom practiced cruel and inhuman punishments on the common Tibetans were historical facts or Chinese text book propaganda five months ago. Robert W. Ford, a Bristish, was one of the few westerners who spent five years in Tibet from 1945 to 1950, wrote in his book Wind between the Worlds: "...All over Tibet I had seen men who had been deprived of an arm or a leg for theft....Penal amputations were done without antiseptic or sterile dressings...." Before 1950, the common Tibetans were serfs. They had no rights. There was practically no formal political, legal, and social systems to protect the common Tibetans. Help, if any, came from the monasteries on a religious perspective. The estimated life expectancy of the common Tibetans was 35 years. (It is now 72 years.) No doubt the Chinese government would embellish these facts in their text books, but the embellishments were based on facts.
I understand why China wanted Tibet so bad.The major rivers of China all start in Tibet.China could not risk having a possible enemy or unfriending country controll the life blood of the nation
@@sosoable The Americans just want another source of unrest between China and India so that the Asian continent becomes a second Middle East from which American arms dealers can benefit
China has been busy putting up a dozen dams accross the fresh water flowing out of Tibet. The liklihood of China giving up control of those resources is zero. Downriver users of the water like Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos are looking at a thirsty future.
Mexico has the literal same issue with America. As a Chinese American I can attest to that 80% of what we accuse China of doing, we do, but choose to ignore. When it comes to China, it's often just white people projecting their bias and racism.
Something that kind of gets left out is the opinion of the Tibetan people. We know their feudal and theocratic rulers wanted to stay in charge, but the common people even care?
Considering the fact that China faced resistance (even though little) can be considered that people DID care that they were invaded. Not to mention, a lot of Tibetans migrated from Tibet to India, Nepal and Bhutan. Many of them today advocate for the independence of Tibet and are ardent followers of their former theocratic ruler, the Dalai Lama.
@@riverman6462 that China faced some resistance can just be proof that the nobles and clerics had some loyal personal troops whose fortunes were tied to their own. And the fact that they refused to expand the army to arm the peasantry even at the cost of losing badly hints at what Tibetan rulers thought the opinion of the people might be. Today we hear very loud proclamations of support for a return to theocracy by Tibetans living abroad because many of them are part of that exodus of nobles and priests, people who would be returning to positions of authority and privilege in a “free” Tibet.
The Tibetan people don't even remember the old system. Meanwhile, they see everyday how the Han Chinese steal the wealth from their homeland as the ethnic Tibetans remain in poverty. While the Tibetan people say they want freedom to rule themselves, Chinese Propaganda mischaracterizes this as them wanting to return to the old system.
“For the Tibetan people it was an invasion and an occupation”? Nah 95%+ of Tibetans were serfs and the vast majority of Tibetans supported the Chinese abolition of serfdom.
Besides the tier-one cities like Beijing, Shanghai, and Shenzhen, the Chinese live in squalor too. And there's no freedom to migrate for those born in rural areas.
If by seeing their language and culture eradicated and their movements monitored after what was essentially an imperialist conquest of a different people is good according to you. Then I'm suuuure the Africans appreciated the times they were under European occupation.
You should have talked about how Tibet was governed when it was independent. People think of Buddhist monks as calm and nice, but there they ran the country with incredible cruelty.
Also it’s fucking hilarious that maps such as the one in the thumbnail makes Tibet out to be so large. When in truth, “Tibet the state” if they even were a state during the Republican era was only about 3/4 of what is today’s Tibetan Autonomous Region. The eastern quarter of today’s Tibet and the western chunk of Sichuan used to be its own province called Xikang (formally the 川边特别区 roughly translating to Special Region Of Frontier Sichuan).
@@elektrotehnik94 before the 1950’s liberation, tibet buddhism had some horrifying practices like making carpet from human skins, and the region still runs slavery.
Not just mao, every Chinese will not allow Tibet to be independent. The crux of the Mongolian issue is that Mongolia has already declared independence, and the Soviet Union recognized this independence. The prerequisite for the establishment of diplomatic relations between China and the Soviet Union is that the Chinese government recognizes Mongolia's independence. So it is impossible for China to invade Mongolia.
This video is produced by the Western Media. On very important point not stated in this video is : Tibet was a Serfdom. The rich land owners (including the Dalai Lama) benefited great wealth from the hard-work of farmers. China sees it as liberating the poor farmers from serfdom. If you visit Tibet, now, you will see that Tibet has good infrastructure, technology etc as you would see in many parts of China. If Tibet continued as a serfdom, it will be left behind by the rest of China. Tibet still practises Buddhism, as they did for centuries. God bless Tibet & China. Best wishes from Australia 🇦🇺
@@tinytank6642 lol... You are trying too hard. Why bring ancient history when you can give an example of a recent one? Is it that you can't think of one in recent history?
@@JonKino828 The ottomans aren’t ancient. And of course I can get a modern example. Bhutan doesn’t recognised the PRC. Are you saying the PRC isn’t independent?
When the United Nation charter was signed in 1945 , the UN recognized Tibet is part of China ,In the 1945 UN world Map Tibet is within the border of China , the same 1945 Map also recognized independent Mongolia ( which the previous 1944 world Map doesn't recognized Independent Mongolia ) . United Nation recognized People Republic of china is the official Government of China in 1971 As you can see United Nation recognized Tibet is part of China long before they even recognized People Republic of china is China. In a way in 1950 People Republic of china only moved into a region defined by United Nation as part of China .
Great video! I think it could have been improved slightly if the map showing Chinese advances would have included some more topographical features than just rivers, so the moves are a little bit more sense. Nonetheless it's a great and super interesting video!
With this video comes an interesting episode where you can describe the uprising in Tibet and the subsequent war in the Himalayas between India and China. Lots of interesting political and military events, but one thing is missing from you. Little has been discussed about decolonization and Africa in general. I have a question, when will you finally start getting into the subject of South Africa and Rhodesia, very important players of the Cold War?
@@Game_Hero Don't get me wrong, the nuclear topic is very interesting, and there have also been a whole lot of movies about it, but the topic of South Africa and Rhodesia is interesting because it is a story of those proxy wars, and not on a small scale as it might seem.
The uprising in Tibet? Do you mean that the slave lords and nobles hoped to continue the serfdom tradition and launched riots? During the armed conflict between the Communist Party and the Indian army, Tibetan herdsmen used their yaks to transport a large amount of supplies to the pla, and the Communist Party was very popular among the grassroots people
@@linshitaolst4936 I didn't know that exactly. Very nice and interesting comment my friend. Apparently, the situation of Tibet is shown differently in other parts of the world.
@@jankowal115 How many temps and interns are willing to fight and die for their employees ? Tibet was mostly a feudal society, which basicly means most people were treated worse than temps and interns. There always been more peasants than fancy lords, sure fancy lords look great on tv and netflix, but they are all cunts, in tibet or elsewhere, in the past, present and future. That is untill I have become a lord, then you all should fight for my lands and defend it with my life, because I am some lama lord something.
The map of China before 1949 was not correct. Xinjiang, from 1912 (when the Qing government collapsed) to 1949, most time was controlled by 2 warlords, first is Yang Zengxin, then Sheng Shicai, only about 3 years was controled by East Turkey, Yang and Zeng, who both used the title 'Chairman of Xinjiang Provincial Government'. Wiki: Yang Zengxin (traditional Chinese: 楊增新; simplified Chinese: 杨增新; pinyin: Yáng Zēngxīn; March 6, 1864 - July 7, 1928) was the ruler of Xinjiang after the Xinhai Revolution in 1911 until his assassination in 1928. Sheng Shicai (Chinese: 盛世才; pinyin: Shèng Shìcái; 3 December 1895 - 13 July 1970) was a Chinese warlord who ruled Xinjiang from 1933 to 1944
And Dalai Lama isn't really a tradition inherit from Tibetan culture, it's really simple, Beijing choose a person to rule Tibet. And the drawing lots thing isn't really about gods, when it was Qianlong emperor of Qing dynasty, Tibetan nobles were asking him to pick a noble's children to be the next dalai lama, Qianlong doesn't really like that nobleman so he just gave them a bottle and say go find a kid from the streets who got luckey
According to the logic of Westerners, there is no country or region that should not be independent. The United States is a new country established by European pirates who exterminated the aborigines and invaded their land. Scotland and Northern Ireland in the United Kingdom were first slaughtered by the Anglo-Saxons through war and then colonized for a long time.
Should look it up on Google Maps, You will get a better perspective. Tibet is an isolated region surrounded by high mountains， Separating it from Other countries. Tibet had always kept an affiliated /Sub-state relationship with the Chinese empire. The Lamas also traveled to BJ for consultation and swear loyalties to the emperor. The royal court gives approval and kept records of different Lamas that reincarnated. The same relationship also existed in Korea and Vietnam in the past. Chinese emperor gave approval to the new king. Those relationships where either came to establishments after either cultural influences + border war. It's hard for RUclipsr to create a full story without a deep understanding of the background and history.
interesting thing, the history from I know, ROC(Republic of China) inherited the territory of Qing(the last feudal dynasty of China), the territory of Qing also include in Tibet. after the civil war the ROC run away to Taiwan island and then the sovereignty of China inherited by PRC(People's Republic of China)also included the permanent seat of United Nations Security Council and no matter ROC or PRC both of them were all refused to acknowledge all of the inequality of treaties which signed by Qing which intimidated by western powers.
As a Chinese American immigrant I support Freedom for Tibet but yet growing up in America I quickly realized the China discourse is mostly just racism. As if you support freedom for Tibet why don't you support freedom for Basque, Okinawa, Catalan, Tyrol? Why don't you support freedom for minority groups in Western countries? There are dozens of groups fighting for their freedom in the West and yet their conveniently ignored because it's NOT CHINA. This is by no means a defense of the CCP but a condemnation of white racism conveniently disguised in the form of sympathy for Tibet. You can't claim for support freedom for oppressed people but ONLY when it comes to China. There's native Hawaiians fighting for freedom in America right now but RIchard Gere won't care.
Also it’s fucking hilarious that maps such as the one in the thumbnail makes Tibet out to be so large. When in truth, “Tibet the state” if they even were a state during the Republican era was only about 3/4 of what is today’s Tibetan Autonomous Region. The eastern quarter of today’s Tibet and the western chunk of Sichuan used to be its own province called Xikang (formally the 川边特别区 roughly translating to Special Region Of Frontier Sichuan).
The territories you mention are autonomous regions within their respective countries, their languages and culture are respected and promoted. In the case of Tyrol they have very favorable tax conditions with the central state, most of the money they produce stays there, they contribute very little to the country. They are also allowed to speak german freely, so much so that it is the first language of the region. If South Tyrol was part of Austria they wouldn't have all of these benefits, it is financially better for them to stay as a part of Italy. These regions also have high standards of living (besides Okinawa, whose situation I do not know). On the other hand you have China exploiting Tibet, daming the whole region to power up its metropolis in the coast while also trying to influence downstream nations. Tibetans living in Tibet are poorer and have worse living and working conditions than Han Chinese living in the same region. You are comparing populations that want autonomy (maybe even independence) but they are not being held hostage in their homeland like tibetans. What China has been actually doing with Tibet has been swept under the rug... If a Western country did what China is doing in Tibet it would have much more public notoriety. The thing with the modern United States (and the rest of the developed west) is that people have no idea about Tibet, yet one side of the political spectrum is willing to use it due to their hate towards the Chinese, while the other side is willing to ignore it completely because it does not fit this modern narrative that only certain nations can be imperialist and only certain ethnic groups can be racist and discriminate minorities.
We brought civilization, we built roads and infrastructure and brought an end to slavery CCP on Tibet "reclamation"? No, Italy during the 1936 invasion of Ethiopia
Are you talking Hawaill since1893, how the Independent Hawaill Kingdom has gone? And how these islands became United States! And why there was a naval facility there?
1949 Tibet: "We'll use peace as our weapon. The newly formed United Nations and western countries will protect our sovereignty." Sinicized Tibet: "Well, that didn't work out as planned."
A bit of Chinese history for sheep out there: Tibet became a part of China in the mid of 13th century. In order to effectively govern Tibet, the job of Dalai Lama was created by the then ruler of Yuan dynasty (1271AD-1368AD). As this time, Europeans had yet to arrive at America, so the genocide of native Americans had not started yet. Ha ha ha!
Absolutely propaganda rubbish. Harter was a Nazi, SS even, who fled British pow camps and escaped to Tibet. Before that, Himmler himself signed the documents for Harrer‘s marriage
According to the logic of Westerners, there is no country or region that should not be independent. The United States is a new country established by European pirates who exterminated the aborigines and invaded their land. Scotland and Northern Ireland in the United Kingdom were first slaughtered by the Anglo-Saxons through war and then colonized for a long time.
This was really interesting, but lacked on important piece of the puzzle. During the Cuban Missile Crisis in a call between Eisenhower and JFK, Eisenhower mentions, in essence, that he felt that losing Tibet had been a mistake because because he had bought into a bluff by the Soviets that intervention in China would mean losing Berlin. In general, it seems like a couples minutes on the broader view of the leaders and populations in the Great Powers of the time would have been an interesting addition. It's more than a little curious that India was so quick to acquiesce.
@@helloworld0609 not losing tibet as a territory, losing tibet as a non-communist nation. Going from a territory that was independent and could trade, make alliances, and serve as buffer so India and China didn't kill each other. Tibet is of great geographic importance, China's control of it meant it could directly interact and spread influence on Pakistan, and gained control over the water supplies for much of Asia, and military bases close to India, and invade Bhutan, etc.
India thought that they were going to simply conquer Tibet by invading it, similar to how British India had repeatedly done so in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. India adopted official maps which had incredibly vague northern borders, and which were divided up into areas which were: 'definitely Indian territory', 'vaguely Indian territory', and 'possibly Indian territory.' The 1957 "Forward Policy" of the Indian government was a blatant attempt to annex regions of China which Indians felt they had claim to. However, the 1962 Sino-Indian War ended attempts by India to militarily expand its borders (they would then come to use diplomatic and economic means to bully and eventually annex territory, as they did with Sikkim and as they are attempting to do with Bhutan).
@@helloworld0609 They also had an existential crisis over how the U.S. "lost China" following the founding of the PRC in 1949. It was obvious that they planned to use the Nationalist Government as a U.S.-puppet government to rule China.
Isn't it interesting that history always starts at a time that is always convenient for someone's narrative? How is it possible to ignore hundreds of years of history and start on....1911?🤣
It'd be pretty much impossible to discuss history if we have to go back to the beginning every time. It makes sense to start at the most relevant starting point, even if that means particular historical narratives will likely cherry pick the inception point.
@@calexander7495 I would agree if it was that simple, but it isn't. China's relations with Tibet and the Mongols, goes back since - I just said it - the Mongols era. If someone leaves out this period, is doing it on purpose just to adjust the narrative to the point that it can go the way he wants it to go. When you choose to "leave out" the previous history, you certainly need to make a quick summary or add some other sources that can be used for anyone who cares to know the whole story behind a "conflict". When they don't, it's not a coincident, but it's on purpose.
Tibet was already a part of China before the founding of many European powers. Is there any document in this world that can be used to prove that Tibet was an independent country? Ha ha ha!
@@greatasia606 Exactly my point. Even today, West trying to translate the world, using the colonial dictionary. It's not going to work well this time for them. Cancel culture, will destroy the West.
@@AngelosGT This video is very biased, even from the title itself, losing any academic value. I am not surprised after watching whole video just to conclude that this is a propaganda-like video as I have already sensed the first time I saw its title.
@@andreawallenberger2668 Dalai Lama is a post set up by Chinese central government around 700 years ago to govern Tibet. You want to ask the Dalai Lama how he got his job title? Ha ha ha!
Firstly, it is important to understand that the recognition of the Panchen Lama and the Dalai Lama by the former Qing Dynasty and subsequent Republic of China government is necessary for them to become religious leaders. The historical status of Tibet as part of Chinese sovereignty is beyond doubt and is an internal affair of China. When you read the abdication edict of the Qing Emperor, it becomes clear that the Qing government transferred power to the Republic government, and the first president of the Republic was the former Qing Prime Minister, Yuan Shikai. Later, the Communist Party of China overthrew the Nationalist government and established a new country. At that time, the Dalai Lama and Tibetan officials even went to Beijing for a "pilgrimage". I would like to emphasize here that the Communist Party of China overthrew the Nationalist government because the CCP was once the most significant political participant in the Republic of China, with a considerable number of CCP members being military and political officials. The major military leaders of the CCP also graduated from the most important military academy of the Republic of China, the Huangpu Military Academy.
the uyghurs are mentioned because of how recent and widespread it is. Over 1 million are currently in concentration camps and women are being raped and forcibly married off to non-muslims. its a genocide.
not forgotten, just the US can't do anything about it. limp weiner foreign policy. GDP per capita in neighboring country Nepal = $1100 USD GDP per capita in Ukraine = $4000 USD GDP per capita in Tibet & xinjiang = $8000+ USD how do we get this situation where the US send legions of neoliberal economic advisors to nepal & ukraine, train their politicians in Ivy league institutions, give tens of billions in IMF & world bank loans, send savvy wall st money managers & entrepreneurs, actors & actresses like sean penn, angelina jolie, get NATO instructors to train their militaries for almost a decade and yet...the Ukrainian & nepalese citizenry's standard of living PLUMMETS? and this is before the russian invasion. tax revenue in Ukieland is so low now the US pays the salaries of government workers. meanwhile all the places communist china administers, the populace sees a rise in their incomes & standard of living. kinda sad but Ukrainian engineers are applying for working VISAs to go to china cuz there are no jobs in the US economy oh don't even look up afghanistan's GDP per capita. after spending $2 and a half trillion in "nation building" programs, propping up a corrupt democratic government & occupying the country with NATO troops for 2 decades, things have only gotten worse mission accomplished! 🤣
@@peterseth3296 Yeah and the Irish had been traditional British minorities for centuries with all of Ireland under their control of many different English and Scottish lines of Kings controlling them. Would you justify if the British were to decide to invade and take over Ireland again?
Tibet was unprepared? What about the CIA established a secret military training camp called Camp Hale, located near Leadville, Colorado where the Tibetans were trained to sabotage operations against the Communist Chinese? The speaker selected materials for this video saying Dalai Lama seeking help from US and UK. He attended meetings in China as the head of his people and agreed to implement reform too. This has been well documented. The most serious failing of this video is it shows the richest Tibetans to represent Tibet! Before Chinese government intervention in Tibet 95% of Tibetans were serfs owned by the richest landlords among them was the Dalai Lama. The historical record shows The family of the 14th Dalai Lama himself owned 27 manors, 30 areas of ranches and 6,000 serfs. The Dalai Lama alone among his possessions had 8 tonne of gold, 4,750 tonne of silver, 20,000 piece of jewellery and more than 10,000 expensive silk and fur clothing, 300 heads of cow & sheep. Due to 95% of Tibetans living as serf the averaged life expectancy of Tibetan people in 1959 was 35.5 years. After the Tibet's democratic reform it is 72.19 years in 2020. The US had been behind the Tibet colour revolution from day one and had a detailed history of the troop movements, attacks and counterattacks that no one outside China could possibly possesses unless US was party to and even directing the coup. This is even more remarkable because the whole US-funded, US-equipped and US-trained rebellion lasted only in days. Saying Tibet seeking UN legal assistance is a laugh too because in UN the China seat was occupied by the US-back ROC who lost the civil war to the CPC and fed to Taiwan. CPC wasn't a member of US until 1971. The US flagrantly using Tibet to secede and divide China was malicious but to perpetuate a propaganda war against China is even evil. This is because Tibetans are well integrated in China that has 56 ethnicities. Half of the Tibetans do not live in Tibet but in Sichuan, Qinghai, Gansu and Yunnan provinces. Each year the Tibetans hold celebration for commemorate the abolition of serfdom. Go and check out the youtube videos by the real Tibetans themselves.
History will look back upon Tibet, and the overwhelming majority would agree that its annexations was for the better, whether it was right or wrong at the time, does not matter. What people don't realise is Tibet society feudal prior to its annexations, 95% of the population were serf , basically slaves and could never own propert, and thier lives and that of thier family sole purpose was to serve the elite theocracy. Today most Tibetan are living modern lives, with housing, education, health care, jobs, careers and most importantly no longer slaves !!!
@@brandonlyon730 Does it matter what mao intention were? what matters is the results, it is a fact that Tibet got to modernize its economic and society. Its not like the West had good intentions when they began colonialism now did they? the fact is when colonialism ended, the fromer colonies were worse off.
@@brandonlyon730 Exactly my point, Western colonialism is far worse precisely because of the results. The vast majority of the colonies were left in utter poverty, my country included. We were robbed, and plundered. So yes, China methodology is far better because it yield better results.
The vast majority of Tibetans (who were serfs when the Dalai Lama ruled), consider themselves Chinese and Tibet is Chinese territory. The class of slave owners in exile in India does not represent the Tibetan people. However, a divided China is in the interests of the West. Therefore, the voices of the Dalai Lama and his entourage have been greatly amplified in the Western media.
LOL so you think Nehru should have sent Indian army across Himalayas into Tibet to fight chinese civil war hardened dogs with no supply line while we had Pakistan on the west? Dude he saved a lot of Indians, a lot than we lost in 1962 to poor preparation!
If someone (Dalai Lama) decides to claim independence and then the region (Tibet) will become an independent nation. If the said western logic is followed, and assume that Donetsk and Luhansk want independence with the support of the majority of their people, then such regions should become independent states. Using the same reasoning, Crimea should be freed from Ukraine and the wish of the majority Russian-speaking population should be respected as they voted in favor of joining Russia. Likewise, we should respect the wish of the French-speaking Quebec province in Canada, Catalonia (Spain), Assam state (India), if the majority of the people there so decide to gain an independence status. If the West does not agree to the independence of Donetsk, Luhansk, Crimea, and so on, then there is NO basis for treating Tibet as an independent state. There should not be any double standard. Nor should the rule of recognizing state independence be arbitrarily applied. And mind you, Tibet has been part of China (Yuan Dynasty) since the 13th century. The history of Tibet being part of Imperial China is indeed earlier than European settlers moving to America and the founding of the United States of America.
Also it’s fucking hilarious that maps such as the one in the thumbnail makes Tibet out to be so large. When in truth, “Tibet the state” if they even were a state during the Republican era was only about 3/4 of what is today’s Tibetan Autonomous Region. The eastern quarter of today’s Tibet and the western chunk of Sichuan used to be its own province called Xikang (formally the 川边特别区 roughly translating to Special Region Of Frontier Sichuan).
It's not about Tibet being a part of China, it's about the CCP supression of Tibetan culture that was allowed to exist under all Chinese empires. The forced sinicization of Tibet is the main issue here. The CCP propaganda makes critisism towards it look like critisism towards China when that is simply not true. The west doesn't have problems with China, it has problems with the CCP alone. And another thing, Assamese do not want to join China I think you mean Arunachal Pradesh. And there to most people do not want to give up their democratic rights to join China. If they join China they will be turned into a military border state, striped of all political rights. Also isn't the CCP anti imperialist? Why would it want to claim all the imperial holdings of the Chinese Empire?? Atleast the Soviet union made its colonies into republics. China is straight up colonising these areas with the Han Chinese. Why doesn't China negotiate with India in good faith? It's always threats and attempts to gain an upper hand, never a good intent.
USA used to support Kuomingtang's claim on Tibet and 11dashline, but why West didn't support CCP's claim on Tibet and 9dashline now? We know why because Kuomingtang has been lapdog for USA for 90 years either in Nanjing or Taiwan, just like now why West supports Ukraine's sovereignty today. Tibet is like today's Kurdistan, it's an independent entity but no countries have diplomatic relations with them, if Syria invaded Kurdistan then it's 'unification' West is kind to CCP only when CCP was ally against Soviet in 1980s, after Soviet collapsed then USA didn't need CCP anymore, then USA just supports separatists human rights under CCP rule, so you know why because China now is too strong for USA
the feared tibetans destroyed in less than a month. tibet raided sichuan as late as the 1900's ,so you would see why most of the PLA soldiers that invaded came from sichuan.most sichuanese back then had an intense sense of revenge against tibetans.
I would enjoy more videos about Tibet. I know very little about the region and its history. Thank you for another interesting video! Stay well out there everybody, and God bless you, friends. ✝️ :)
Sadly, they cover up the historical truth with shrewd rhetoric. They won't tell you that Tibet at that time was a feudal country hundreds of years behind the world, and the commoners were just slaves of the nobles. An important reason for the PLA's occupation of Tibet without much resistance was the hatred of the civilian population for the ruling class. You should not learn about Tibet from white people who have never been to Tibet.
@@Numba003 It's a pity that all the books I'd like to recommend to you are in Chinese. I'm not sure you can read it. 书名：《西藏历史问题研究》 作者：张云 Title: A Study of Tibetan History by Zhang Yun 书名：《解放西藏史》 作者：《解放西藏史》编委会 Title: History of the Liberation of Tibet - this book is written by the Communist Party, but it also gives a sense of the state of the old regime in Tibet at the time.
By the way, in 1956 the Khamba Tibetans launched a rebellion. It directly led to the rupture of the relationship between the CCP and Tibet, which in turn led to the great suppression of Tibet in 1959. To give an example to illustrate why the Tibetans in the Khampa area launched a rebellion: In 1949, the Kangding area, the capital of Khampa during the Kuomintang rule, had to collect about 35 tons of grain tax a year. By 1955, the total amount of grain tax collected by the CCP in Kangding reached 325 tons (In just six years, the grain tax has increased nearly tenfold! ). The total grain output and population of Kangding area (the county's population is only about 100,000) have not increased significantly in these years, but the grain tax increased so much that led to a great famine. Absolutely, the rebellion caused by heavy taxation by CCP. If the Tibetans did not want to starve to death, they had no choice but to rebel. The insurgency led to a crackdown to all Tibetans not only Khampa but also Amdo and U-Tsang by the CCP. For example, a CCP document of Qinghai in 1958-1959 called for "smothering rebellion before premeditated" - we all know what that means. Judging from the results, the 1959-1962 repression was extremely cruel. One county lost 60% of its population in the most brutal area of the crackdown - including executions, forced migration, etc. (much higher than Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge), repression in some areas has resulted in a 2:8 male-to-female ratio in Tibet (Then came the influx of Chinese male immigrants and intermarriage with these Tibetan women who had lost their fathers and husbands to "promote ethnic integration" - we have to recall the brutal story of the slaughter of men and the ravages of women during Genghis Khan's conquest). According to some internal battle reports of the PLA, when the "rebels" were suppressed, a "rebel army" of more than 10,000 people had only more than 3,000 knives, spears and firearms combined - it is not difficult to imagine that most "Rebels" are unarmed farmers and herdsmen. The so-called "liberating serfs and overthrowing serf owners" is even more ironic. In order to suppress the Tibetan people, the Tibetan people are generally designated as "serf owners". In the most exaggerated part of Hainan Prefecture, Qinghai Province, 90% of the population is classified as "serf owners"-- It is completely unimaginable how 90% of the slave owners enslaved 10% of the serfs! Under the bloody repression, Tibet achieved "complete liberation". The above information is from the book "When The Iron Bird Flies" by Li Jianglin, who is a daughter of a senior CCP official. Its information is derived from the CCP's internal reports, statistics, official confidential documents, etc.
Well guys, I know the Ganden Phodrang regime in Tibet is a very pre-modern brutal theocracy, but after we saw the CCP's genocide in Tibet, I have to say that the land suffered so many fucking disasters that you can't argue that the CCP's genocidal rule of Tibet is "modern" and "progressive" in order to oppose the barbaric and badass rule of Ganden Phodrang. In the eyes of any Tibetan, the only difference between the theocracy of Ganden Phodrang and the rule of the CCP is that one is skinning you from the top of your head to the bottom of your feet, and the other is skinning you from the bottom of your feet to the top of your head. The barbarism of the theocratic government cannot be used as an excuse to defend the CCP, nor can the CCP's genocide atrocities be used to cheer for the "defense of our theocracy in Tibet." As for what you ask me to do? I do not know either. But at that juncture in 1951, if I were a Tibetan, the only thing I could do was run away from this shithole.
The issue of Tibet was originally simple. It used to be part of the Qing Empire, Although the Dalai Lama XIII tried to seek independence while the Qing government was weakening, the Tibetans feared the British more than the Qing Empire, because the British Empire at that time was a more ambitious existence, and they invaded Tibet militarily. so Dalai Lama XIII finally chose the Qing Empire . And the Qing Empire handed over the ruling power to the Republic of China through the 《Qing Emperor's abdication edict》. After the establishment of the ccp, the People's Liberation Army peacefully entered Tibet and got along happily with the 14th Dalai Lama. Everything seemed to be going on harmoniously and perfectly. But in just one year, things went bad. The agrarian revolution of the communist government advanced to Tibet. The land policy of the CCP in mainland China was divided into two stages. The first stage was to re-divide the average land, which was welcomed by the vast majority of farmers at that time. In 1952, the land policy in mainland China changed, and the communist government implemented Soviet-style collective farms on a large scale.implemented Soviet-style collective farms on a large scale. which created a terrible disaster in the years that followed.Massive man-made famine. Communist Party officials made a stupid and terrible decision on how to implement the communist government's land policy in Tibet.“Two steps to one step”,That is to abolish serfdom, skip the equal distribution of land, and directly nationalize the land, entering the Soviet-style collective farm model.This immediately caused conflict between Tibetans and communist officials, And caused a famine, some people starved to death.Tibetans in Kangding flock to Lhasa to seek help from their traditional leader, the Dalai Lama.And the communist regime saw it as a “rebellion”.The Dalai Lama could only flee to India. The cause of the Tibet issue lies in the stupid policies of the communist regime.But after years of gestation and delays, it eventually turned into an ethnic conflict for Tibetans abroad. You know the communist regime never admits their mistakes, never says sorry we were wrong, because their rationale for ruling is that they will always be right. Therefore, they will never revoke the sentence of "rebellion" against overseas Tibetans, and they will never put down their stance to seek a proper solution. They are fucking communists.They never take responsibility for their stupidity and mistakes.
@@henrylapp7954 Direct relation to Cold War, No. But from historical development point of view, Yes. Without the westward expansion and the genocide on natives Without the invasion and annexation on so many lands The USA will not be such a powerful coastal to coastal nation with so massive land and resources that is capable of threating the world In this case, if they only preserve its original 13 stars, It is hard to believe the Cold War could happen 100 years later Anyway, all hypothetical, no one cares
Please bring out video on invasion/ annexation of free independent Naga nation by India in the 1950 and the pending solution of the Indo-Naga political issue
I hope China🇨🇳 and India🇮🇳 should reconcile and cooperate for a peaceful region, indeed for a peaceful Asia. We gain so much by cooperation and peaceful negotiation. War is devastating, war is bad. Remember, Nehru was sympathetic to China's immense suffering, he wanted an ally in China, had built relation alongwith Chou En Lai. Heres to friendship🇨🇳🇮🇳
True, although for true cooperation, the smaller nations nearby need to be under the suzerainty of one or another. Otherwise they will continue to grind diplomacy to halt. Tough really all that is needed for that is the USA to stop interfering and the threat of cutting off trade and funding. Maybe at worst blockading and light raiding. They don't really have global ambitions anyway, so don't really lose anything.
@@avishkumar8231 Nehru was so nice that he launched Forward Policy and ordered Indian soldiers to killed patrolling Chinese soldiers before 1962? Nehru is blamed by Indian because he lost a war which is not his fault. You just can't accept the incompetent of your army, so you blame Nehru.
@@easonhuang7117 blaming nehru is like the same blaming indian soldiers in the 60s, we are down for it, it's u guys that can't see the wrong doing and always blamed others
Tibet has always exchanged business and cultural exchanges with China, but in the 19th century, China was suppressed by the west, Britain and Japan in the 20th century. Its national strength was weak and there was no time to manage it. Otherwise, Tibet, like Africans today, has nothing to do with the current civilization. Refer to the economic and cultural people's lives in Nepal and Tibet
There's no way that Tibet would be independent as long as China remains a strong country, if only for the control of vital water resources available in Tibet.
The CCP's rule is still much better than the local tibetan nobles and monks, if only you know the bloody history before 1950, Dalai Lama even uses human bones and heads as material for sacrifice. The PLA, although established a communism, however, gave the tibetan peasants land and a relatively basic personal freedom.
What a ridiculous and shameless opinion!! Let me give you an example. If we give the American continent to the Indians and let them establish their own country, we give Australia to the former aborigines and let them become independent countries. Do you think the two countries will develop better separately? In the history of the Tibet Autonomous Region, slavery was practiced. Does anyone think that slavery is an advanced civilization? Tibet has never been an independent country, it has always been a part of China. It's just that for a while the Chinese government granted Tibet autonomy. However, at that time, the Tibetan nobles were wildly enslaved, oppressed and mistreated the Tibetan people. The Chinese central government later expelled them and rescued the Tibetan people. All those who oppose the Chinese central government today are the descendants of the demons who oppressed the Tibetan people and want to continue to enslave them. Their scheming will not succeed
It is interesting to see Tibet from Western perspective. Hope to see an episode on “How US Annexed Hawaii?”
Same
Funny. It was history that British Empire agitated Tibet interest group for independence, and Britain fabricated Simla Agreement. Of course, Britain and Tibet local interest group signed on it. It is absurd this video’s author repeatedly mentioned this Simla agreement, as if this were a legal binding document. Simply British Empire just wanted, at that time, to annex Tibet from China, and put it as an autonomous state in a transitional period. End of day, Britain dreamed of merging Tibet into British India. But that is a dream only. Will never happen.
In short, I am more than happy to see Scotland, as well as Northern Ireland to break from UK. Should be able to witness this.
It happened in the 19th century, so I'm not sure you'd see it on this channel.
and Taxes, and New Mexico, and Califonia. Hope they could all go free one day and back to Mexico.😂😂😂😂😂
Texas too
Whichever side won the Chinese civil war, Tibet would have been returned to Chinese rule. This was something both the Nationalists and the Communists were in agreeement about (in fact the Communists were less ardently irredentist than the Nationalists, since they at least accepted the independence of Outer Mongolia).
The 1950 invasion was a continuation of the civil war between the ROC and PRC.
Fun fact:-
Taiwan still lays claims on large parts of India, Nepal and Bhutan.
@@Roachh2877 more like ROC, which governs/occupies Taiwan(depending on your political stance), claims on large parts of India, Nepal and Bhutan
They had no choice in the matter on Outer Mongolia - anything else would have seen Mao's gang smashed by Stalin
The only reason the CCP was less irredentist is because Mongolia at the time was ruled by a Soviet Communist puppet. The ROC saw Soviet influence in Mongolia as an expansion into rightful Chinese territories. Sometimes it's important to notice history from the historical lens of their times.
I am willing to bet that Mao would've tried to claim or even expand into Outer Mongolia , had it was the Russian Empire that installed a puppet there.
Considering no western countries had diplomatic recognition of Tibet as separate from China, it's a rather moot point to say that western countries viewed it as an 'invasion and occupation'.
Up until now there was no official statement even by the UN that China is "occupying“ Tibet
We all must stand against western views and their imperialism mindset, invasion, colonialism, and occupation! We are done with the West!
In fact it was a invasion and occupation. Just not technically and it was a landlocked nation that was in the process of independence but got botched by party affiliates in its government and the Chinese seeing a opportunity to quickly
Occupy the nation before it got admitted into the UN.
@@whoareyouyouareclearlylost323 When zero countries in the world recognized Tibet as separate from China, it was not "in fact" an invasion and occupation. Your username is a sufficient refutation of your own assertion. Who are you? Clearly your words hold less weight than the entirety of the world's diplomacy.
If GB didnt recognise Tibet... howd they go and sign agreements with Tibet?
When Sun Yixian established Republic China, is also called 5 ethnicitis Chinese Republic: Han, Manchurian, Mongolian, Hui, Zang(Tibet),
A interesting fact: the 14th Dalai Lama is ethnic Tibetan, but his hometown is Qinghai province.
He became the 14th Dalai Lama was under ROC government's gser-bum-skrug-pa rule which was announced by Qianlong Emperor in 1700s to handle the reincarnation system of Dalai Lama.
Qinghai and partial Sichuan are pan-tibetan region, so a Qinghaibron Dalai is still considered Tibetan. But yes reincarnated Lama just a play
@@MARKINAU8 But those region never under Dalai Lama's government, in fact, even today's Tibet region was divided by two parts in old time and Dalai Lama controlled the eastern part, the western part was Panchen Lama in charge.
By the way, the 10th Panchen Lama was born in Qinghai province too（100 km away from 14th Dalai Lama's birth place）. And he didn't involved the rebellion of Dalai group. He became Vice chairman of the CPPCC National Committee (similar level as vice premier) twice, and died with cardiac disease in 1989.
@@MARKINAU8 Qinghai was ruled by its Muslim population then.
@@weishi9804 the hui population came in to Qinghai(Amdo) from Shaanxi and Ningxia sent by the Qing emperor in the 18th century. They were fighting from late 1700's even into the warlord period after the breakdown of Qing empire in the early 1900's....
There are other high levels of Tibetan monks. Dalai Lama is ranked 3rd. There are 3 more branches.
2:38 That's not Empress Longyu, that's Empress Cixi who died couple years prior to 1912.
I bet you’re fun at parties
@@lightsleeper. It's a relevant observation
@@lightsleeper. huh?
@@lightsleeper. is the type of human who watches a historical documentary but opposes accuracy
I thought it was Jackie Chan
On the UK's stance: don't forget they were also worried about Hong Kong. Some feared that any adverse reaction from the UK, agaisnt China, might cause an invasion/anexation of Hong Kong...
@@dragosstanciu9866 it had huge political and social significance, as a bastion of the Empire.
@@dragosstanciu9866 trade. it gave them access to China and beyond.
@@dragosstanciu9866 by 1951 less valuable than it was before or would be later… but still valuable.
@@dragosstanciu9866 Opium wars.
@@Doochos this too.
1:51 Fall of the Qing dynasty following revolts led by Sun Yat Sen
2:41 Sentiments in Tibet & Simla convention
4:51 Events following CCP's victory in Chinese Civil War
5:39 Negotiations
7:03 Battle of Chamdo (China attacks Tibet)
11:21 Tibet forced back to the negotiation table
Use of divination
13:12 Tibet's plea to UN
14:54 Further negotiations & the acceptance of a 17 point agreement by the Dalai Lama
17:29 Tibetan rebellion & consequences
Thanks
It's a Territory of China and has an English name just like Canton .not an independent country since the Qin dynasty of China, The ROC is busied with civil war &&World ii&& a new civil war until the 1950th. And Dalai isn't the only Buddhist least of Tibet,5 million?. the west doesn't understand the Chinese civil war logic which lasted two thousand years that's why many Chinese people don't like them, and both fire at their boats when they want to split china with RPC and ROC by the Yangzi River, intervals other Country's internal affairs. I'm shocked it declared to be a document channel, neglecting many things with no respect and breed traitors is easy but this will help increase Chinese nationalism. and then you nuke them out and declared the Chinese start world war to the whole world? First, the Qing dynasty of the Chinese is the Chinese then The ROC is the Chinese, now ROC is not Chinese, Obviously the Cantonese is not Chinese too in the future. thanks to god's people, they just need a logic to cover their unti_mankind crime invasion of India of America.
China does not recognize it, just as Czechoslovakia does not recognize the Munich agreement
Because it was only signed by the representatives of Britain and Tibet
@@willkim4798 But China did not control that territory functionally for many decades...which means that its territorial claims under MODERN international law are tenuous at best.
@ I'm not like CCP ,They looks more and more like TMD partywhich they revoluted , one hundred years ago, and now it's in Taiwan
Like most things in history, this one is gray. PRC was anything but mild and friendly to Tibet and its population, yet, at the same time, they did develop the region quite a bit and ended one of the last medieval-style feudal serfdom domains in the world. They destroyed hundreds (if not thousands) of ancient Tibetan monasteries, yet they also refurbished many and provided funds for hundreds that were in disrepair and decades (sometimes centuries) of neglect to be restored and protected. They fought hard against Tibetan theocracy, yes, but consider that the Tibet and its culture we know in the world today is actually the one we accessed after the Chinese civil war. Tibet we mostly know and love is the one brought to us by PRC... that we say destroyed their culture and identity.
And, as people have stated, Tibet wasn't actually an independent country at that time, at least no one except Mongolia recognized it as such (iirc). Similar to Abkhazia today. So when PRC came in the 1950's, they were, in legal terms, reasserting the control of the central government over a breakaway province.
Yet, Tibet proclaimed independence, but no one considered it as an independent state. To the world, it was just another rebellious province of Republic of China after the fall of Qing empire. No one cared then... why care now? Except on the ideological basis, because the west hates anything that has socialist or communist in its name. Neither Qing nor RoC were any milder of friendlier towards Tibet, yet we never see them in the same light as PRC. That's hypocrisy on our part.
Long story short, this is one of the countless examples where history is not black and white and when people arguing a certain point are both right and wrong at the same time. So in the end, it becomes a subjective thing - which is not something you should be doing when something supposedly scientific and factual should be discussed. The best we can do is to simply tell EVERYTHING that happened and leave it at that, refraining from moral (subjective) judgement. Just present the facts and leave it at that.
@@sosoable Oh, you think Chinese did not do some of their own slaughtering at the same time? Really, how do you think China got that big? :) Chinese history is full of mass slaughter and exterminations, unfortunately.
This is a documentary filmed by the United States during World War II. Please check the map of China in the 2.30-second video to see if Tibet is within the territory of China. Your ability to lie is disgusting
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Thats exactly. This vlogger is apart of CIA funded project to blackpaint china. Hope Hawaiji and many US occupied region/states will gain back their independency in future.
They destroyed majority of the monasteries and used the destroyed religious artifacts to build roads. They only refurbished monasteries once they learned the international interest in tourism in Tibet. You said this isn’t black and white and yet continued to spew what the CCP always says.
Well say. The video is full of lies and fabrication of history.
I have to say that the thumbnail map of "Tibet" is probably one of most bizarre and inaccurate depictions I've seen of that region. I'm not sure you you randomly have Tibet basically possess the entirety of Qinghai province, and bits of Gansu, Yunnan, Sichuan, Xinjiang as well for no apparent reason. It's like if you wanted to make a map of Ohio but included random parts of Pennsylvania, the entire southern part of Michigan, and part of Illinois and Indiana.
Even the Tibetan state that existed briefly in the early 20th century didn't include those borders, it basically just comprised of the current Tibetan autonomous region in China borderwise.
The map was of the entire Tibetan plateau. Fairly common if you look up “China broken up” or “independant tibet”
@@Sir_Squirrel_TheIV it's fairly obvious this map represents Tibet as a political entity, not the geographic Tibetan plateau. Otherwise they could include an even larger part of Xinjiang if so
It’s a map of the Tibetan cultural-linguistic area - ‘Greater Tibet’ (which is why it is projected as the area for an independent Tibet). Sizeable parts of the provinces neighbouring Tibet are or were demographically dominated by Tibetans. I have spent a whole trip travelling around the Tibetan areas of Sichuan province for example.
@@oliet9947 that's like including Singapore or Vancouver as part of China because large numbers of people of Chinese heritage live there, the thumbnail most likely denotes the political entity of Tibet considering they are using its flag
@@hankhill6707 When he says that he's talking about how there was once a MAJORITY of Tibetans there. The Chinese are NOT THE MAJORITY in Singapore and Vancouver. Your just trying to find a reason to hate the video.
I wrote a paper on Tibet years ago when I was in college, one thing I remember is that prior to the Chinese invasion about 50% of the land was actually owned by the monasteries. So it was inevitable that the Chinese government would have a lot of friction with Buddhism.
The same type of wealth and land transfer from religious ownership to secular happened in protestant countries hundreds of years ago. It's not weird, it's logical. Secular ownership typically encourages innovation and efficiency and thus more than religious ownership. This can be seen throughout history.
Surprised by your interest in Tibet. But I don't think it's a conflict between the Communist Party and Buddhism because the Communist Party doesn't want to destroy the Dalai Lama. but wants an agricultural revolution that is a class struggle
before 1950, 95% of Tibetans were serfs of the Lamas. A few Lamas and rich landlords owns everything.
Smart man, do some research Tibet was ruled by the noble caste and the monks led by the “divine Dalai Lama” mind you the Dalai Lama was selected by the nobles 😂 that’s how they reincarnated. Anyway back in the serf day, the monks and nobles went mad, the way the punished their serfs was worse than demons, including skinning baby’s from the bottom half, using seed bones as musical instruments, and using skins to write sutras 😂. Ask the Dalai Lama what happens to the serfs when they get back in power? These faction rebelled against the Chinese gov, and the Chinese liberated the serfs. Go to Tibet and see the musuems, you will be shocked and disgusted at how they twisted Buddhas philosophy. Disgusting demons
If you have heard of the atrocities committed by Tibetan slave owners and the horrific religious ceremonies, you will feel that the black slaves who grew cotton in the United States in the 19th century were all happy.
Strategically only the Indian armed forces had any ability to intervene but would still have been at a disadvantage to the Chinese logistically and there was no appetite for war with its' most powerful neighbour. The independence of Tibet lasted less than a century and was due to internal problems within China.
Not all of Tibet. Only Dali Lama parts. There is a Panchen Lama. His lands are not Dali Lama's. Tibet is not a nation, but a feudal state. With Dual Lama's. It's like having Two Popes.
@@armchairwarrior963 It depended on when and where. Tibet was run by various kings and religious authorities, but local leaders always had the most say.
Tibet was independent for most of its history. It was ruled by Yuan, the Mongol dynasty that also ruled China, but it was never ruled by China directly until the invasion. Before that Tibet was just a vassal state that paid tribute to China but that was about it.
@@oceanwave4502 hello CCP bot
@@oceanwave4502 ccp bot detected
Tibet and Scotland have a very similar history - both came under the dominance of a much more powerful neughbour from the 12th century. Both had periods of independence and periods of subservience/unification since then.
The Scottish didn’t have 98% of its population as serfs in 1959. Scotland doesn’t take human skins and make them into books and lamps. Tibet before annexation was a 17th century monarchical backwater.
@@dr.woozie7500 Excellent points! Fully agree! Scotland was a lot more developed from the industrial revolution onwards compared to Tibet.
So shall the global sent volunteers to Scotland to declare independence and break away from UK. Hope to CIA may help as UK no more rule by whites but by an Indian whose roots lead to UK colony India. What is happening to white supremacists? KKK especially from USA?.no offence to Indians,I am not directing at you. I have good friends and brothers from India and Malaysia.
@@dr.woozie7500 that is why he used the phrase "very similar" not "exactly the same"
@@patrickdegenaar9495Fully agree? You gotta be kidding me Tibet may not be developed but it masses were were not 'serfs' as Chinese claim to be.
Finally an unbiased video which actually presented facts instead of spin and bias.
Slight correction: initial dominance came in the 12th century when both china and Tibet were controlled by the Mongols (Yuam dynasty)
China has no true claim on Tibet and out of Tibets history which goes back (in terms of people living their as Tibetans) To likely 10, 000 or more years but in "proper" history it goes back for at least 2300 years or even longer depending on various sources but is at least 2300 years (likely longer) Out of Tibets very ancient history of course its had skirmishes invasions and it itself invaded other empires , countries etc (including the Tang dynasty of china But out of Tibets 1000s of years of history only 2 times is their any argument that it was occupied "by china" (pre ccp) One was as you said the Yuan dynasty which absolutely was a foreign ruler over china. Look at the mongol empire map and yuan dynasty was literally just one province (area) of its empire and was ruled by rulers such as Kubla khan and relatives /ancestors and yes it took on court system of china (as it invaded and took it!!) and it took on some aspects of china culture but it was absolutely a foreign ruler and part of the wider mongol empire so absolutely in no way , shape or form can they sue the excuse of the yuan dynasty (not to mention the yuan didnt even really properly fully rule over Tibet in the first place and was a priest patron relationship (even prior to the yuan mongols had some influence in Tibet and vice versa) And even if it was a fully han Chinese empire and even if it did invade and occupy Tibet for 100/150 Years that is no way enough. Then after that was the Han ming who had very little to do with Tibet besides trade and maybe some diplomacy etc and after was again a Non han dynasty from the Manchuria the Jurchen ethnic people or the Manchu Qing dynasty which also was seen as foreign invaders and even more then then mongols took on aspects of the predominant majority han culture but if you read any history you will see much of the han were Not happy being ruled by what they seen as "people from the steppes" and foreign invaders and even so the fact the Manchu Qing dynasty actually ruled over Tibet is also up for debate at best as during that time Tibet seemed to be doing most things itself with almost no Chinese or even Manchurian in Tibet and tibetans making there own decisions for the m most part so maybe like a protectorate state of Qing. Anyway lets just say that both the yuan mongol empire and the Manchu Qing dynasty werent foreign dominators of china (and sorry to say to the Chinese this absolutely 100% must be taken into consideration as whether they can claim Tibet especially in regards to the yuan and even the qing) Anyway lets say that the yuan and Qing were fully han dynasties and lets say both took fully over tibet and ruled tibet (even under those circumstances wouldn't be a claim on Tibet as Tibets history goes back at least 2300 years and you can not say bcos they were invaded and occupied a few times for a few hundred years out of 1000s of years of history with 2 diff dynasties who didnt even rule side by side of each other that even that is a claim that Tibet belongs to china and they know this (and that is even if it wasnt the mongol empire extentsion which ruled over china and Qing who also ruled over china and both didnt even fully rule over Tibet..lets face it Patrick the Chinese have no real historic claims at all whatsoever to any of Tibet (besides from maybe some border regions) many countries have had foreign influence and for much longer then Tibet but for the overwhelming majority of Tibets history it wants under any rule let alone chinas rule ..they know it , we know it , we all know it ..Tashi delek , Tujey che , Böd Gyalo ..and I think this guy video is from a pro china one ..Tibet is occupied by China and almost no Chinese lived in Tibet pre 1950 (except in some border regions) Free Tibet
@@IbhrahimBishara False information. You are a historical nihilist. I guess you are an Indian. According to your logic, India has no history. Because they are all a history of slavery caused by alien invasions! India has a glorious history of being enslaved by Alexander the Great, Persians, Arabs, Turks, Mongols, Portuguese and British.
@@IbhrahimBisharaby your logic india should break up.
Interesting video! And a topic unfortunately forgotten by too many nowadays
everyday forgets everything. nobody cares how our pretender in chief lost Afghanistan and 13 marine lives less than a year ago. people just want their Instagrams and newest tech very few give history, even recent history a second thought
@@skeetrix5577 Unfortunately I think there is some truth to this. At least for many people
The imperialistc western powers were just butthurt that they couldn't divide the region anymore, like a pizza, like they did to China in the Boxers and Opium wars. .
So, China's payback and protection time. Analyzing what they've been thru I don't blame them.
Did the americans cared about indigenous ppl when they went west!? Did they cared about mexicans when they went south?! No, they took by force and kept spreading their capitalistic colonialism all over Latin America making many banana wars..
So, americans and western ppl cant talk too much as innocents about this tibet-china topic. Dont be hypocritical.
If they want something to be undone they should do on the lands they took first.
Of course there were tibetans backed up by CIA, they dont waste time and meddle into every corner of the world, imagine if it was the other way around...
and when is recalled is justified with the worst imperialist apologetic tone
What’s forgotten is how terrible the Dalai Lama was and is. Tibet is better off with China than with him.
A lot of comments here are dedicated to this "what about the west" angle but I always thought that was strange. As someone in the US I'm well aware of what the west has done to expand its power through colonialism and other acts, and almost everyone I know in person is aware as well.
Ironically, that makes me all the more familiar with this kind of deflection, where instead of giving an actual assessment of what they saw or felt in the lesson, people attempt to deflect to things other nations have done instead. The whole world has some "unfair", inhumane, and brutal series of events that has led it to the present. Saying "what about x country" is a bit pointless.
I suppose the "whataboutism" came about because non-Western people find that a Western person making such criticism is hypocritical, given the history of Western nations.
the difference is: Tibet was part of China since 1700. so it was more like a separatists movement.
a good comparison would be the US civil war. would you say the north invaded and annexed the south when they wanted to be an independent country?
It is not about whataboutism. It is about justice. Germany faced justice. Japan faced justice in the form of 2 nuclear detonation. Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Cuba and many more are still waiting for justice to be serve. Instead the criminals are deflecting their own crime to avoid justice.
Could you do a follow up episode on Tibet? I found this very informative.
Yes they were liberated from dalai lama who skinned villagers
@@bitterballs356 why would you say something like that?
@@bitterballs356 lol you are imprisoned by ignorance, I pity you. 99.9% of Tibetans have full faith in his Holiness the Dalaï Lama
@@bitterballs356 why did you fall into the Chinese propaganda stance that the Tibetans were savages so they needed to be modernized and civilized? You do realize shit like this is Chinese bullshit right?
@@tenzingyuthok8078 Dalai Llama is a CIA backed pedo who ruled over a brutally oppressive feudal government before it was liberated by the PRC
China cannot invade Tibet because a country cannot invade its own territory, the Tibetan Empire disappeared about 1,200 years ago, and Tibet has been a Chinese province since 700 years.
Tibet has never been independent, has never been recognized by any country or had embassies anywhere. Formally, the highest authority in Tibet were the Chinese emperors who collected taxes and appointed officials in charge of collecting them, but the religious authorities had a lot of influence. In 1791 the Gurkas invaded Tibet and were repulsed thanks to the intervention of the Chinese army. The best proof that Tibet is Chinese territory is that after the triumph of the Chinese Revolution, the Dalai Lama, as a religious leader, was offered one of the vice-presidencies of the Chinese State, and as such he attended several sessions. The subsequent conflict was economic rather than cultural or religious. Shortly after the triumph of its revolution, China carried out a land reform in Tibet to allocate land to poor peasants, which affected the economic and political power of the priestly caste and aristocracy, which owned the most land. This conflict was used by the US as part of the cold war, in its confrontation with China. According to statements by the US State Department in the early 1950s: «Tibet becomes a strategically and ideologically important area. Since the independence of Tibet can serve as a fight against communism, it is in our interest to recognize it as an independent rather than an integral part of China." And he adds: «The situation changes if a government in exile is created. In this case, our interest will be to support the independence of Tibet without recognizing it. The recognition of the independence of Tibet is not the really important issue. It is about our attitude towards China.” The Dalai Lama is a confused character and full of contradictions. Not long ago he declared himself a Marxist, which put the American specialists in advertising warfare who deal with this issue in a very uncomfortable position. ---- expansion.mx/mundo/2011/06/14/soy-marxista-dice-el-dalai-lama-y-detona-la-sorpresa-de-su-auditorio
You need to do some research on exactly what the various dynasties of Chinas policies towards Tibet were and whether Tibet acknowledged the claims. In fact they did not. So if I publish a paper that says the car parked outside my house is mine when in fact it is not, does the act of publication make the car mine? The sources of your information only cite Chinese sources because they are Chinese scholars who cannot go against the government that funds them.
@@ricksmithguitar 700 years as a Chinese province is long enough for it to be considered Chinese territory, the Yankees stole half of its territory from Mexico a little over a century ago and they consider those states as their own. I have searched without success for information on Tibetan rebellions against Chinese rule, if you find something please send it to me.
Since China's economic downturn threatens US hegemony, the US has launched its powerful advertising media against China. The US attacks China by all means, Hong Kong, China Sea, Covid, Uyghurs, the balloons, Tibet, whatever, but all these attacks are suspiciously coincidental with the commercial conflict that the US has with China. Rather with the trade war that the US is losing against China. Fortunately the US is an empire in decline.
@@ricksmithguitar Yeah, tell that to the native americans. Flush ur own faeces first before lecturing others on sanitation.
If you are paid, can you please go away. This is a historical channel. Not political. Go spam CNN with your paid garbage. Just my opinion.
@@HuskyDawgwhat does native Americans have to do with this discussion?
Well done Cold War Team! I’ve been waiting for a Tibet video for a while now and you did not disappoint! Fun fact: CIA backed Tibetan guerrillas were trained at Fort Hale on the outskirts of Leadville in my home state of Colorado where the famed 10th Mountain Division of WWII was trained. I hope you’ll check back in on Tibet in a future video!
Interestingly, according to declassified CIA documents, from 1957-1962, the CIA airdropped 20 teams of trained terrorists from Fort Hale into Tibet. Of all these teams, 19 of them were all captured or killed within two weeks. The one remaining team managed to evade the PLA for two years before simply fleeing Tibet, having done nothing other than run from the PLA troops the entire time. What is fascinating about this history is that, it simply could not have been accomplished without Tibetans themselves being extremely hostile to these terrorists and working with the PLA to capture or kill them. They were obviously unable to get any assistance from the Tibetans living in Tibet, which tells you a lot about what the Tibetans who actually live in Tibet think about U.S. attempts to destabilize their homeland.
@@jasonjean2901 True. The narrative of the Cold War Team and its viewers are utterly devoid of the concept of class struggle being biased towards its western side of the ideological concept. They make it so there is no distinction between the oppressed peasantry of Tibet that supported the PLA and the theocratic Budhists elite that are used paradoxically by the CIA as a justification to fight against a revolutionary liberation army of a then anti imperialist nation. Its a well made video but the bias is to much as if the Cold War was still present.
@@jasonjean2901 My auntie who married to son of a brass HongKong police who colluding in heroin drug trafficking in CIA circle from Thailand to HK and then distributed to Europe and US. Her father in law also was helped by CIA fledding to Colorado change his name and biography evaded the Brit newly set up ICAC cracked down on those big event police corruption in HK then.
CIA is one of the biggest criminal organizations out there. It’s not Fort Hale, it’s Camp Hale. Most of Tibetan refugees live in Boulder CO.
@@jasonjean2901 Only terrorist is Mao and CCP. Anyone who follows them should thrown in lava and forfeit their right to live.
would be interesting if one day someone make a cultural revolution channel and make it under the format just like the WW1 and WW2 channels. that's ten years though
Hell on earth
Indy Neidell would like a word with you!
Love this coverage on Tibet, I’d like to suggest also covering the other Indo-Pakistan wars as they aren’t covered much elsewhere and would be interesting to see.
they already have a video on it
@@klumzyee There we’re multiple I thought.
@@InferKnow were*
@@EvansdiAl Thank you for fixing my grammar good sir, I’m sure it wasn’t intended to be a smartA remark
@@InferKnow not at all, you are a fellow internet gentleman, and those who correct grammar as part of denigrating or argument are just ad hominems
Annexation of a region's quite easy when the 95% of the population are serfs who hated the Lama class and their rule
That's some neat propaganda you got there
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Nice propaganda there, here have social credit points
it's a more of liberation to 95% of the population if they were serfs.
@@tomaszzalewski4541 luckily west is so democratic, only you can get sacked from job for telling black that he is a black. Other than that is all democracy, see how Trumps free speech was respected, he wasn't banned from Twitter or smh like that.
How about do a " The annexation of the north America by Anglo-Saxion".
how he dare ? 😄😄😄😄😄😄😄
Or the annexation of most of the Americas by the Iberian?
This is imprecise
To be precise, the annexation did not occupy North America
their numbers are only a small fraction
Totally woke and sounds like part of the cold war
I’m sorry, was the annexation and genocide of the American Indian part of the Cold War?
Tibetans aren’t Han Chinese they don’t even speak the Chinese language so they are an autonomous region
They are taught Chinese in school.
Applying the framework of modern customary law to "China's" relationship with Tibet is anachronistic. China was not a signatory of the treaty of Westphalia. In the eye of the Chinese court, their relationship to Tibet was one of ownership.
and yet Tibet has a different religion, different customs, different language. And a full population that did NOT want Chinese annexation. China's desire to annex it was ITS problem. Not Tibet's, not the World's
@@bizu08 😂你这说法真是搞笑
@@bizu08 I don't think you have any idea how Tibetans suffered at that time period under the rule of aristocracy, and you wouldn't know if "a full population that did not want Chinese annexation." The people who were rejecting Chinese rule were the aristocracy who were afraid of being overturned and they clearly didn't give a damn about their own people.
According to the logic of Westerners, there is no country or region that should not be independent. The United States is a new country established by European pirates who exterminated the aborigines and invaded their land. Scotland and Northern Ireland in the United Kingdom were first slaughtered by the Anglo-Saxons through war and then colonized for a long time.
@@bizu08 The only people who were adamantly against annexation were the ruling class clergy. And Tibetans suffered more under their own nation-state than they did under communism
6:17 Man that footage is heartwarming : )
Those were upper class tibetan people at the time, pictures of lower class tibetans at the time isn't really heart-warming at all.
@@noname-anonymous-v7c Yes it was indeed a very unequal society
@@noname-anonymous-v7c i think same goes for lower class chinese as well
@@UniquePicsels true. I will never say that watching 6:17 is heartwarming.
Xizang before 1949 was not a de facto independent state; it was more like a warlord, similar to other warlords in China at the same time.
For example, Zhang Zuolin was a warlord in Northeast China, Yan Xishan was a warlord in Shanxi province, and even the GMT government in Guangdong province could be considered a warlord, since the central government was based in Beijing at that time.
All warlords had their own armies, independent from the central government's army. Zhang, Yan, and the GMT government all signed many treaties with foreign governments independently, just like the Dalai Lama's government did in Xizang. The GMT government even imported many USSR army officers and signed a treaty for weapons aid from the USSR for the GMT army.
These people have been brainwashed they don't really want to know the truth. They just want to get some information to strengthen what they have been brainwashed for. No matter how much evidence you gave them, they don't care and will just insist Tibet was independent, Tibetans are oppressed and need to be "freed"
This was such an informative and phenomenally well done video!
wow, I didn't knew MagellanTV had a youtube channel. And thanks for supporting history channels.
@@Game_Hero History is so important - it's our pleasure!
SHUT UP
@@Game_Hero shut up
According to the logic of Westerners, there is no country or region that should not be independent. The United States is a new country established by European pirates who exterminated the aborigines and invaded their land. Scotland and Northern Ireland in the United Kingdom were first slaughtered by the Anglo-Saxons through war and then colonized for a long time.
All of US was 'annexed' from the native folks. And SW was annexed from Mexico. Alaska was first annexed from Eskimos by Russians, then by US who bought it.
A nice video, except for a very important miss. You make an effort to point out that China called it "Liberation", but you never point out Why. The closest you came to explain is that Tibetan culture is feudal. You also mentioned that China kept its promise and never change Tibetan culture in early years, not accurate.
Here's why it was called "Liberation". Tibetan practiced Caste system and the lowest caste was essentially kept as slaves. China, being communist that believes in class-less society... hence, Liberated the Tibetan & caste system is abolished. You should point out this China's claim.. even if you refuted afterwards.
@@gracchus7782 Well they did changed it
Of course China became castleless where everyone was now equal... But some were more equal then others I.e anyone in main communist party and Mao’s circle where they got everything they want while millions starve to death from there incompetent policies.
Also if it was just liberation, they would’ve allowed Tibet remain independent but with a different government after the invasion, but the fact they annexed the whole nation under there direct control shows me they had other motivations then to “free” the Tibetan people.
Yeah yeah settle down wumao
@@brandonlyon730 Who cares about the motives? Look at the aftermath. China's takeover of Tibet was objectively better for Tibetans in every aspect. Cities, waterways, and trains are built, average life span shoots up from 35 years to 80 years, serfdom and slavery abolished, and affirmative action given to Tibetans. I could go on and list countless benefits for the Tibetans.
By the way, China allowed Tibet to continue its feudal system, as an autonomous region. China invaded once local Tibetan rulers raised armies and massacred bureaucrats in the region.
@@weuyghbe08ehf9 pathetic statement 😂
Man the information here is really good quality but the 'freedom' language is a real pet peeve of mine. The situation is repeatedly described as 'tibet's freedom was under threat' rather than 'tibets independence was under threat'. I mean, you say yourself that it was a feudal society run by the superstitions of theocrats who had the authority to assert what the will of God is. It didn't sound super 'free' for the average peasant whether they got independence or not.
Any state that goes independent is still run by a state apparatus that must hold a monopoly on force etc. Separatism doesn't just lead to a lovely eutopia where everyone is 'free'. It's just the same state apparatus but smaller...
Free as sovereign. Sure Tibet was no liberal democracy.
Well in stateless sedentary mass societies or in societies with very weak none functional state, you have warlords, ma ny actors of violence and clan structures.
The rule of law and stability is needed for any civil liberty to exist.
That's a good point, its a bad thing to lose context like that when remembering history.
Though I do think the "freedom" language would be well used to describe how they exist today. Everyone in China who isn't han chinese is having a bad time, let alone the ones in the chinese borderlands, and the average han isn't doing too much better.
I disagree with tibet peasant being slaves one. I would like a video on it cause it was one of main cause china invaded. But now those peasants are free are they really free do they like the new authority or would have liked a representative who was elected
@@prw56 this is just pure bullshit, the minorities in China have many privileges, including automatically adding more marks in the college entrance exams, not restricted by the one-child policy and more.
@@prw56 that’s simply not true. Minority Chinese get into the same university as Han Chinese but with lower bar to ensure equality. As a Han Chinese I’m super jealous of these non Han Chinese, their culture is well preserved and they are privileged in every aspect of the society.
El Salvador offering their support despite being thousands of kilometers away and sharing virtually nothing in common with the Tibetans tho
Lmao El Salvador is a failed country, who gives a f
Thankyou for uploading this video, hope you’ll make a video about annexation of Sikkim in near future.
Annexation of hong kong too
As #free_hong_kong😊😊
And Sikkim belongs to great INDIA only
Average bat eater🙂
@@UniquePicsels here in Sikkim we don’t eat bat, but beef surely.
@@MetalboxwithKanon Average BATMAN🦇
kashmir too!!
historical fact is that china took tibet in 1720 from mongols. and since then tibet is part of china as it was part of mongolia in the predecessing 600 years. and fact is also that more than 90% of tibetan population nowadays are happy to be part of china.
Okay. Give your lands back to Mongolia then. With that logic you are no longer chinese. You are now apart of the Mongolian empire congrats.
@@bizbe4465Womp womp big stick diplomacy
@@bizbe4465 That won't work, because by that logic, any conquests post-1720 should be considered "invalid." This would invalidate all border changes due to conquest since then; otherwise, it's holding China to a double standard.
@ZhangtheGreat News flash all countries hold other countries to a double standard. That aside that was my whole point. It's stupid to think that way in general.
Everything america did to form it's borders is horrible. Everything China did to form its borders is horrible. Etc etc. The issue isn't that China took Tibet. It's WHEN Tibet was retaken. Only a few years after a world War. Then proceeded to treat every province they captured horribly.
To this day China abuses and tortures it's minority populace. The biggest victims currently being uyghur minority. China annexing other countries while they were forming could be forgiven. For their youth every country has done horrible things before becoming democratic and providing rights. China has REFUSED to do either of those things.
China continues to protect north Korea a dystopia of a nation. As well as crushing protests in the streets. KILLING political opponents who oppose the ruling regime. Communist China is essentially a modern equivalent of the Soviet union. All the rights abuse and corruption to go with it.
@@bizbe4465 In many ways, China under the current regime is still in its "youth." It hasn't even been around for 100 years yet.
That said, what China has learned from its 19th Century experience is that nobody gives a crap as long as economic needs are taken care of. Critics can scream and shout, but internally, the population is satisfied with their own economic situations, and that's enough.
It won't satisfy idealists who argue for democratic reforms and more transparency, but it's reality.
The map in the thumbnail is wrong, "East Turkestan" never existed, it was under the control of Chinese warlord Sheng Shi Chi and later by KMT directly. Also, Tibet wasn't that big either.
East Turkestan was already a term back in 19th century, along with Chinese Tartary.
@@CannibaLouiST But it's only a term, it's not declared as East Turkestan. Labelling it as East Turkestan suggests East Turkestan existed as a political entity, which is not true.
@@jingchengyang8957 Terminologies alone do deserve an entire episode. In fact, maybe two episodes at least.
@@CannibaLouiST It's not about terminologies, because it's simply wrong to call it so. You can't just call Christian Spain al andalus or Russia as the Soviet Union in modern times. It's important to refer to political entities with proper names at that current time, otherwise you'd probably fail high school history for a start.
@@jingchengyang8957 Soviet Union was called Russia by many throughout the years to this day. The Roman Empire after the western part fell can be called the Greek Empire/Byzantium/Byzantine Empire. Meanshile, al-Andalus ain't even the formal name of the Caliphates over there.
It's of course about terminologies. It's terminologies on top of politics. And East Turkestan, Chinese Tartary aren't the only terms either, there's also the Chinese Turkistan. Translated Chinese terms at the time only give out Sinkiang, Hsin-chiang and more, but not Xinjiang until the 1950s.
Tibet was also known for practice of slavery up until the 1950s with extreme torture and grotesque human rights abuse.
Evidence? Or that’s what they teach in Chinese schools?
@@213kilacali It's called Google, if you can afford it look it up yourself lol
@213kilacali wiki u r fool
@@213kilacaliThis is a late reply to your question of whether Tibet's feudal theocratic serfdom practiced cruel and inhuman punishments on the common Tibetans were historical facts or Chinese text book propaganda five months ago.
Robert W. Ford, a Bristish, was one of the few westerners who spent five years in Tibet from 1945 to 1950, wrote in his book Wind between the Worlds: "...All over Tibet I had seen men who had been deprived of an arm or a leg for theft....Penal amputations were done without antiseptic or sterile dressings...." Before 1950, the common Tibetans were serfs. They had no rights. There was practically no formal political, legal, and social systems to protect the common Tibetans. Help, if any, came from the monasteries on a religious perspective. The estimated life expectancy of the common Tibetans was 35 years. (It is now 72 years.)
No doubt the Chinese government would embellish these facts in their text books, but the embellishments were based on facts.
I understand why China wanted Tibet so bad.The major rivers of China all start in Tibet.China could not risk having a possible enemy or unfriending country controll the life blood of the nation
@@sosoable The Americans just want another source of unrest between China and India so that the Asian continent becomes a second Middle East from which American arms dealers can benefit
Sure Wumao
@@d.o.g573 I had to look up what that means.Im not.Whatvi said makes sense.What is your opinion otherwise?Maybe you are too stupid to articulate one
Through divination a voice spoke to me. It said "Don't forget the like button".
Please also mention how the Chinese kidnapped a child who was assigned the next Dalai Lama.
China has been busy putting up a dozen dams accross the fresh water flowing out of Tibet. The liklihood of China giving up control of those resources is zero. Downriver users of the water like Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos are looking at a thirsty future.
Surprise, surprise. The Chinese are abusing their neighbors.
Mexico has the literal same issue with America. As a Chinese American I can attest to that 80% of what we accuse China of doing, we do, but choose to ignore. When it comes to China, it's often just white people projecting their bias and racism.
@@zeitgeistx5239 An example of how we are stealing the natural resources of Mexico? You should have dozens of examples with your blanket statement.
@@zeitgeistx5239Truth is the truth.
@@zeitgeistx5239 Race has nothing to do with what I said. Cannot speak for others. Certainly do not want others speaking for me.
Something that kind of gets left out is the opinion of the Tibetan people. We know their feudal and theocratic rulers wanted to stay in charge, but the common people even care?
Most were illetrate and barely knew anything.
Considering the fact that China faced resistance (even though little) can be considered that people DID care that they were invaded. Not to mention, a lot of Tibetans migrated from Tibet to India, Nepal and Bhutan. Many of them today advocate for the independence of Tibet and are ardent followers of their former theocratic ruler, the Dalai Lama.
@@riverman6462 that China faced some resistance can just be proof that the nobles and clerics had some loyal personal troops whose fortunes were tied to their own.
And the fact that they refused to expand the army to arm the peasantry even at the cost of losing badly hints at what Tibetan rulers thought the opinion of the people might be.
Today we hear very loud proclamations of support for a return to theocracy by Tibetans living abroad because many of them are part of that exodus of nobles and priests, people who would be returning to positions of authority and privilege in a “free” Tibet.
The Tibetan people don't even remember the old system. Meanwhile, they see everyday how the Han Chinese steal the wealth from their homeland as the ethnic Tibetans remain in poverty.
While the Tibetan people say they want freedom to rule themselves, Chinese Propaganda mischaracterizes this as them wanting to return to the old system.
@@badluck5647 how does China steal their wealth? And what evidence do we have of actual residents of Tibet being opposed to China?
“For the Tibetan people it was an invasion and an occupation”? Nah 95%+ of Tibetans were serfs and the vast majority of Tibetans supported the Chinese abolition of serfdom.
Tibet was basically a feudal autocracy and peasants lived in squalor and we're horribly treated. They are much better off now.
Han man's burden.
They're abused just as much now with the genocide of their culture.
Besides the tier-one cities like Beijing, Shanghai, and Shenzhen, the Chinese live in squalor too. And there's no freedom to migrate for those born in rural areas.
@@wanderingpine4297 🤣🤣🤣🤣
If by seeing their language and culture eradicated and their movements monitored after what was essentially an imperialist conquest of a different people is good according to you. Then I'm suuuure the Africans appreciated the times they were under European occupation.
I once saw a U.S. documentary film about the lands of China from the 1930's, which clearly showed Tibet as part of China.
You're probably remembering the WW2 propaganda film series Why We Fight.
And that's Republic of China, not Red China.
@@CannibaLouiST they meant the land of china
@@alexanderl.6207 the PRC didn't exist til 1949.
And a Chinese book from the same era clearly shows Cuba as a US territory. So it's okay if the US invades Cuba?
You should have talked about how Tibet was governed when it was independent. People think of Buddhist monks as calm and nice, but there they ran the country with incredible cruelty.
Is there any video online/ source that presents this in a brief way?
Also it’s fucking hilarious that maps such as the one in the thumbnail makes Tibet out to be so large. When in truth, “Tibet the state” if they even were a state during the Republican era was only about 3/4 of what is today’s Tibetan Autonomous Region. The eastern quarter of today’s Tibet and the western chunk of Sichuan used to be its own province called Xikang (formally the 川边特别区 roughly translating to Special Region Of Frontier Sichuan).
@@elektrotehnik94 Let me look and get back to u
@@elektrotehnik94 before the 1950’s liberation, tibet buddhism had some horrifying practices like making carpet from human skins, and the region still runs slavery.
Doesn't validate annexation. The japanese also gave that as a reasoning for taking chinese territory.
So it was okay for Mao to let Russia take Mongolia, but NOT okay for them to allow Tibet's sovereignty? What the heck, guys??
@夭夭 Simple answer, Russia was the Communist founder and no one wanted to mess with Red Russia at that time.
@@ArghyadeepPal That's why all of communism needs to be eradicated.
Not just mao, every Chinese will not allow Tibet to be independent. The crux of the Mongolian issue is that Mongolia has already declared independence, and the Soviet Union recognized this independence. The prerequisite for the establishment of diplomatic relations between China and the Soviet Union is that the Chinese government recognizes Mongolia's independence. So it is impossible for China to invade Mongolia.
It was GMT traded Mongolia for the support of the USSR, not the CCP.
@@Fun-bz7ou Mao also immediately recognized Mongolia though...it was the ROC who kept resisting its recognition internationally.
This video is produced by the Western Media. On very important point not stated in this video is : Tibet was a Serfdom. The rich land owners (including the Dalai Lama) benefited great wealth from the hard-work of farmers. China sees it as liberating the poor farmers from serfdom.
If you visit Tibet, now, you will see that Tibet has good infrastructure, technology etc as you would see in many parts of China.
If Tibet continued as a serfdom, it will be left behind by the rest of China. Tibet still practises Buddhism, as they did for centuries. God bless Tibet & China. Best wishes from Australia 🇦🇺
He does talk about it in another episode. Also that’s not a good excuse to invade a independent nation .
@@tinytank6642 No country recognised Tibet as an independent nation. Get over it.
@@JonKino828 No country recognised many nations. For example, the ottomans never recognised the qinq but the qinq were obviously independent.
@@tinytank6642 lol... You are trying too hard. Why bring ancient history when you can give an example of a recent one? Is it that you can't think of one in recent history?
@@JonKino828 The ottomans aren’t ancient. And of course I can get a modern example. Bhutan doesn’t recognised the PRC. Are you saying the PRC isn’t independent?
When the United Nation charter was signed in 1945 , the UN recognized Tibet is part of China ,In the 1945 UN world Map Tibet is within the border of China , the same 1945 Map also recognized independent Mongolia ( which the previous 1944 world Map doesn't recognized Independent Mongolia ) .
United Nation recognized People Republic of china is the official Government of China in 1971
As you can see United Nation recognized Tibet is part of China long before they even recognized People Republic of china is China.
In a way in 1950 People Republic of china only moved into a region defined by United Nation as part of China .
Yeah yeah settle down wumao, head back to lockdown right now
I guess Azerbaijan isn't invading/ besieging artsakh
Great video! I think it could have been improved slightly if the map showing Chinese advances would have included some more topographical features than just rivers, so the moves are a little bit more sense. Nonetheless it's a great and super interesting video!
So sad that slavery ended in Tibet.
Evil CCP !!!
Actually the hidden and unique connection between Beijing & Moscow was the Mongol Khanate Commonwealth
With this video comes an interesting episode where you can describe the uprising in Tibet and the subsequent war in the Himalayas between India and China. Lots of interesting political and military events, but one thing is missing from you. Little has been discussed about decolonization and Africa in general. I have a question, when will you finally start getting into the subject of South Africa and Rhodesia, very important players of the Cold War?
I'd love something about its nuclear program. But they did talk about Kenya and Algeria.
@@Game_Hero Don't get me wrong, the nuclear topic is very interesting, and there have also been a whole lot of movies about it, but the topic of South Africa and Rhodesia is interesting because it is a story of those proxy wars, and not on a small scale as it might seem.
The uprising in Tibet? Do you mean that the slave lords and nobles hoped to continue the serfdom tradition and launched riots? During the armed conflict between the Communist Party and the Indian army, Tibetan herdsmen used their yaks to transport a large amount of supplies to the pla, and the Communist Party was very popular among the grassroots people
@@linshitaolst4936 I didn't know that exactly. Very nice and interesting comment my friend. Apparently, the situation of Tibet is shown differently in other parts of the world.
@@jankowal115 How many temps and interns are willing to fight and die for their employees ? Tibet was mostly a feudal society, which basicly means most people were treated worse than temps and interns. There always been more peasants than fancy lords, sure fancy lords look great on tv and netflix, but they are all cunts, in tibet or elsewhere, in the past, present and future. That is untill I have become a lord, then you all should fight for my lands and defend it with my life, because I am some lama lord something.
I'm getting to where I wait for the joke written into the subscription plug at the end. Great stuff!
You actually means anybody who are strong enough can be independent. Well, it is the same vice versa.
The map of China before 1949 was not correct. Xinjiang, from 1912 (when the Qing government collapsed) to 1949, most time was controlled by 2 warlords, first is Yang Zengxin, then Sheng Shicai, only about 3 years was controled by East Turkey, Yang and Zeng, who both used the title 'Chairman of Xinjiang Provincial Government'.
Wiki: Yang Zengxin (traditional Chinese: 楊增新; simplified Chinese: 杨增新; pinyin: Yáng Zēngxīn; March 6, 1864 - July 7, 1928) was the ruler of Xinjiang after the Xinhai Revolution in 1911 until his assassination in 1928.
Sheng Shicai (Chinese: 盛世才; pinyin: Shèng Shìcái; 3 December 1895 - 13 July 1970) was a Chinese warlord who ruled Xinjiang from 1933 to 1944
Dalai Lama is mongolian title given to the spiritual bouddism Leader. Dalai = Universal/Oceanic Lama = Monk
Most Tibetan have large percentage of Mongolian DNA in them esp . In eastern part of Tibet
And Dalai Lama isn't really a tradition inherit from Tibetan culture, it's really simple, Beijing choose a person to rule Tibet. And the drawing lots thing isn't really about gods, when it was Qianlong emperor of Qing dynasty, Tibetan nobles were asking him to pick a noble's children to be the next dalai lama, Qianlong doesn't really like that nobleman so he just gave them a bottle and say go find a kid from the streets who got luckey
According to the logic of Westerners, there is no country or region that should not be independent. The United States is a new country established by European pirates who exterminated the aborigines and invaded their land. Scotland and Northern Ireland in the United Kingdom were first slaughtered by the Anglo-Saxons through war and then colonized for a long time.
RUMOURS ARE WICKED, BUT YOU SPREAD IT FOR FUN.
For fun? For RUclips ads revenue,
Should look it up on Google Maps, You will get a better perspective. Tibet is an isolated region surrounded by high mountains， Separating it from Other countries. Tibet had always kept an affiliated /Sub-state relationship with the Chinese empire. The Lamas also traveled to BJ for consultation and swear loyalties to the emperor. The royal court gives approval and kept records of different Lamas that reincarnated. The same relationship also existed in Korea and Vietnam in the past. Chinese emperor gave approval to the new king. Those relationships where either came to establishments after either cultural influences + border war.
It's hard for RUclipsr to create a full story without a deep understanding of the background and history.
interesting thing, the history from I know, ROC(Republic of China) inherited the territory of Qing(the last feudal dynasty of China), the territory of Qing also include in Tibet. after the civil war the ROC run away to Taiwan island and then the sovereignty of China inherited by PRC(People's Republic of China)also included the permanent seat of United Nations Security Council and no matter ROC or PRC both of them were all refused to acknowledge all of the inequality of treaties which signed by Qing which intimidated by western powers.
As a Chinese American immigrant I support Freedom for Tibet but yet growing up in America I quickly realized the China discourse is mostly just racism. As if you support freedom for Tibet why don't you support freedom for Basque, Okinawa, Catalan, Tyrol? Why don't you support freedom for minority groups in Western countries? There are dozens of groups fighting for their freedom in the West and yet their conveniently ignored because it's NOT CHINA. This is by no means a defense of the CCP but a condemnation of white racism conveniently disguised in the form of sympathy for Tibet. You can't claim for support freedom for oppressed people but ONLY when it comes to China. There's native Hawaiians fighting for freedom in America right now but RIchard Gere won't care.
Also it’s fucking hilarious that maps such as the one in the thumbnail makes Tibet out to be so large. When in truth, “Tibet the state” if they even were a state during the Republican era was only about 3/4 of what is today’s Tibetan Autonomous Region. The eastern quarter of today’s Tibet and the western chunk of Sichuan used to be its own province called Xikang (formally the 川边特别区 roughly translating to Special Region Of Frontier Sichuan).
The territories you mention are autonomous regions within their respective countries, their languages and culture are respected and promoted.
In the case of Tyrol they have very favorable tax conditions with the central state, most of the money they produce stays there, they contribute very little to the country. They are also allowed to speak german freely, so much so that it is the first language of the region. If South Tyrol was part of Austria they wouldn't have all of these benefits, it is financially better for them to stay as a part of Italy.
These regions also have high standards of living (besides Okinawa, whose situation I do not know).
On the other hand you have China exploiting Tibet, daming the whole region to power up its metropolis in the coast while also trying to influence downstream nations. Tibetans living in Tibet are poorer and have worse living and working conditions than Han Chinese living in the same region.
You are comparing populations that want autonomy (maybe even independence) but they are not being held hostage in their homeland like tibetans.
What China has been actually doing with Tibet has been swept under the rug... If a Western country did what China is doing in Tibet it would have much more public notoriety. The thing with the modern United States (and the rest of the developed west) is that people have no idea about Tibet, yet one side of the political spectrum is willing to use it due to their hate towards the Chinese, while the other side is willing to ignore it completely because it does not fit this modern narrative that only certain nations can be imperialist and only certain ethnic groups can be racist and discriminate minorities.
Have you heard of Ukraine lol
You expect the channel to talk about Hawaii in a Tibet video?
@@user-dl1bs6lm1g Tibetans are poor for now cause most of them were serfs during the dali lama’s reign 😂😂😂
The Cold War.
This guy does have a cold war mentality.
We brought civilization, we built roads and infrastructure and brought an end to slavery
CCP on Tibet "reclamation"?
No, Italy during the 1936 invasion of Ethiopia
And I thought you are talking about the westward expansion of US 😂
Are you talking Hawaill since1893, how the Independent Hawaill Kingdom has gone? And how these islands became United States!
And why there was a naval facility there?
@@Commonlogicguy whataboutism 101
@@jagdpanther2224 whataboutism 101
1949 Tibet: "We'll use peace as our weapon. The newly formed United Nations and western countries will protect our sovereignty."
Sinicized Tibet: "Well, that didn't work out as planned."
Tibet: Western countries will protect our sovereignty.
Poland: you sure about that, bro?
I remember the movie of Brad Pitt titled Seven Years in Tibet because of this.
A bit of Chinese history for sheep out there:
Tibet became a part of China in the mid of 13th century. In order to effectively govern Tibet, the job of Dalai Lama was created by the then ruler of Yuan dynasty (1271AD-1368AD). As this time, Europeans had yet to arrive at America, so the genocide of native Americans had not started yet.
Ha ha ha!
Absolutely propaganda rubbish. Harter was a Nazi, SS even, who fled British pow camps and escaped to Tibet. Before that, Himmler himself signed the documents for Harrer‘s marriage
According to the logic of Westerners, there is no country or region that should not be independent. The United States is a new country established by European pirates who exterminated the aborigines and invaded their land. Scotland and Northern Ireland in the United Kingdom were first slaughtered by the Anglo-Saxons through war and then colonized for a long time.
20 points have been added to your social credit score. We at the CCP appreciate your work wu-mao.
@@lanlantulan elaborate further
This was really interesting, but lacked on important piece of the puzzle. During the Cuban Missile Crisis in a call between Eisenhower and JFK, Eisenhower mentions, in essence, that he felt that losing Tibet had been a mistake because because he had bought into a bluff by the Soviets that intervention in China would mean losing Berlin. In general, it seems like a couples minutes on the broader view of the leaders and populations in the Great Powers of the time would have been an interesting addition. It's more than a little curious that India was so quick to acquiesce.
because commnuist nehru was pm of india then
US lost Tibet? In which world US ever owned Tibet?
@@helloworld0609 not losing tibet as a territory, losing tibet as a non-communist nation. Going from a territory that was independent and could trade, make alliances, and serve as buffer so India and China didn't kill each other.
Tibet is of great geographic importance, China's control of it meant it could directly interact and spread influence on Pakistan, and gained control over the water supplies for much of Asia, and military bases close to India, and invade Bhutan, etc.
India thought that they were going to simply conquer Tibet by invading it, similar to how British India had repeatedly done so in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. India adopted official maps which had incredibly vague northern borders, and which were divided up into areas which were: 'definitely Indian territory', 'vaguely Indian territory', and 'possibly Indian territory.' The 1957 "Forward Policy" of the Indian government was a blatant attempt to annex regions of China which Indians felt they had claim to. However, the 1962 Sino-Indian War ended attempts by India to militarily expand its borders (they would then come to use diplomatic and economic means to bully and eventually annex territory, as they did with Sikkim and as they are attempting to do with Bhutan).
@@helloworld0609 They also had an existential crisis over how the U.S. "lost China" following the founding of the PRC in 1949. It was obvious that they planned to use the Nationalist Government as a U.S.-puppet government to rule China.
Isn't it interesting that history always starts at a time that is always convenient for someone's narrative?
How is it possible to ignore hundreds of years of history and start on....1911?🤣
It'd be pretty much impossible to discuss history if we have to go back to the beginning every time. It makes sense to start at the most relevant starting point, even if that means particular historical narratives will likely cherry pick the inception point.
@@calexander7495 I would agree if it was that simple, but it isn't. China's relations with Tibet and the Mongols, goes back since - I just said it - the Mongols era. If someone leaves out this period, is doing it on purpose just to adjust the narrative to the point that it can go the way he wants it to go. When you choose to "leave out" the previous history, you certainly need to make a quick summary or add some other sources that can be used for anyone who cares to know the whole story behind a "conflict". When they don't, it's not a coincident, but it's on purpose.
Tibet was already a part of China before the founding of many European powers. Is there any document in this world that can be used to prove that Tibet was an independent country? Ha ha ha!
@@greatasia606 Exactly my point. Even today, West trying to translate the world, using the colonial dictionary. It's not going to work well this time for them.
Cancel culture, will destroy the West.
@@AngelosGT This video is very biased, even from the title itself, losing any academic value. I am not surprised after watching whole video just to conclude that this is a propaganda-like video as I have already sensed the first time I saw its title.
I was wondering if everyone had forgotten Tibet, just 2 days ago!
Ask daddy America or any European country to produce a document that can be used to prove that Tibet was an independent country. Ha ha ha!
@@greatasia606 Only after u prove either one is the expert on Tibetan autonomy LOL u troll
@@andreawallenberger2668 Dalai Lama is a post set up by Chinese central government around 700 years ago to govern Tibet. You want to ask the Dalai Lama how he got his job title? Ha ha ha!
@@greatasia606 I think it's time to partition China again :)
@@r0bmc745 you can certainly try, but you will certainly fail to do so
Firstly, it is important to understand that the recognition of the Panchen Lama and the Dalai Lama by the former Qing Dynasty and subsequent Republic of China government is necessary for them to become religious leaders. The historical status of Tibet as part of Chinese sovereignty is beyond doubt and is an internal affair of China.
When you read the abdication edict of the Qing Emperor, it becomes clear that the Qing government transferred power to the Republic government, and the first president of the Republic was the former Qing Prime Minister, Yuan Shikai.
Later, the Communist Party of China overthrew the Nationalist government and established a new country. At that time, the Dalai Lama and Tibetan officials even went to Beijing for a "pilgrimage".
I would like to emphasize here that the Communist Party of China overthrew the Nationalist government because the CCP was once the most significant political participant in the Republic of China, with a considerable number of CCP members being military and political officials. The major military leaders of the CCP also graduated from the most important military academy of the Republic of China, the Huangpu Military Academy.
Anything is better than a genocide being committed by CCP against Tibet and Xinjiang
People talk about the Uyghurs these days, but the issues on Tibet is going to be forgotten in contrast. Thanks for a video about them!
the uyghurs are mentioned because of how recent and widespread it is. Over 1 million are currently in concentration camps and women are being raped and forcibly married off to non-muslims.
its a genocide.
not forgotten, just the US can't do anything about it. limp weiner foreign policy.
GDP per capita in neighboring country Nepal = $1100 USD
GDP per capita in Ukraine = $4000 USD
GDP per capita in Tibet & xinjiang = $8000+ USD
how do we get this situation where the US send legions of neoliberal economic advisors to nepal & ukraine, train their politicians in Ivy league institutions, give tens of billions in IMF & world bank loans, send savvy wall st money managers & entrepreneurs, actors & actresses like sean penn, angelina jolie, get NATO instructors to train their militaries for almost a decade and yet...the Ukrainian & nepalese citizenry's standard of living PLUMMETS?
and this is before the russian invasion. tax revenue in Ukieland is so low now the US pays the salaries of government workers. meanwhile all the places communist china administers, the populace sees a rise in their incomes & standard of living. kinda sad but Ukrainian engineers are applying for working VISAs to go to china cuz there are no jobs in the US economy
oh don't even look up afghanistan's GDP per capita. after spending $2 and a half trillion in "nation building" programs, propping up a corrupt democratic government & occupying the country with NATO troops for 2 decades, things have only gotten worse
mission accomplished! 🤣
@@peterseth3296 Yeah and the Irish had been traditional British minorities for centuries with all of Ireland under their control of many different English and Scottish lines of Kings controlling them. Would you justify if the British were to decide to invade and take over Ireland again?
what issues? tibet used to be a feudal serfdom, it’s much better now
@@peterseth3296 You should've said the same regarding the Uyghurs and Tibetans, because you're clearly ignorant regarding them as well.
Tibet was unprepared? What about the CIA established a secret military training camp called Camp Hale, located near Leadville, Colorado where the Tibetans were trained to sabotage operations against the Communist Chinese?
The speaker selected materials for this video saying Dalai Lama seeking help from US and UK. He attended meetings in China as the head of his people and agreed to implement reform too. This has been well documented.
The most serious failing of this video is it shows the richest Tibetans to represent Tibet! Before Chinese government intervention in Tibet 95% of Tibetans were serfs owned by the richest landlords among them was the Dalai Lama. The historical record shows The family of the 14th Dalai Lama himself owned 27 manors, 30 areas of ranches and 6,000 serfs. The Dalai Lama alone among his possessions had 8 tonne of gold, 4,750 tonne of silver, 20,000 piece of jewellery and more than 10,000 expensive silk and fur clothing, 300 heads of cow & sheep.
Due to 95% of Tibetans living as serf the averaged life expectancy of Tibetan people in 1959 was 35.5 years. After the Tibet's democratic reform it is 72.19 years in 2020.
The US had been behind the Tibet colour revolution from day one and had a detailed history of the troop movements, attacks and counterattacks that no one outside China could possibly possesses unless US was party to and even directing the coup. This is even more remarkable because the whole US-funded, US-equipped and US-trained rebellion lasted only in days.
Saying Tibet seeking UN legal assistance is a laugh too because in UN the China seat was occupied by the US-back ROC who lost the civil war to the CPC and fed to Taiwan. CPC wasn't a member of US until 1971.
The US flagrantly using Tibet to secede and divide China was malicious but to perpetuate a propaganda war against China is even evil. This is because Tibetans are well integrated in China that has 56 ethnicities. Half of the Tibetans do not live in Tibet but in Sichuan, Qinghai, Gansu and Yunnan provinces.
Each year the Tibetans hold celebration for commemorate the abolition of serfdom. Go and check out the youtube videos by the real Tibetans themselves.
History will look back upon Tibet, and the overwhelming majority would agree that its annexations was for the better, whether it was right or wrong at the time, does not matter. What people don't realise is Tibet society feudal prior to its annexations, 95% of the population were serf , basically slaves and could never own propert, and thier lives and that of thier family sole purpose was to serve the elite theocracy. Today most Tibetan are living modern lives, with housing, education, health care, jobs, careers and most importantly no longer slaves !!!
I doubt the Mao’s china did it out the goodness of their hearts to “free the serfs/slaves”.
@@brandonlyon730 Does it matter what mao intention were? what matters is the results, it is a fact that Tibet got to modernize its economic and society. Its not like the West had good intentions when they began colonialism now did they? the fact is when colonialism ended, the fromer colonies were worse off.
@@MoModeMoN89 Say that to the people of the Congo under the occupation of Belgium.
@@brandonlyon730 Exactly my point, Western colonialism is far worse precisely because of the results. The vast majority of the colonies were left in utter poverty, my country included. We were robbed, and plundered. So yes, China methodology is far better because it yield better results.
@Armament Armed ArmA convenient excuse to conquer and take over the territory.
The vast majority of Tibetans (who were serfs when the Dalai Lama ruled), consider themselves Chinese and Tibet is Chinese territory. The class of slave owners in exile in India does not represent the Tibetan people. However, a divided China is in the interests of the West. Therefore, the voices of the Dalai Lama and his entourage have been greatly amplified in the Western media.
Nice video. When will this channel covered The Great Emu War?
It was Nehru's folly that enabled Mao to overtake Tibet.
India is paying for that till this day.
LOL so you think Nehru should have sent Indian army across Himalayas into Tibet to fight chinese civil war hardened dogs with no supply line while we had Pakistan on the west? Dude he saved a lot of Indians, a lot than we lost in 1962 to poor preparation!
Nehru has no say of anything whatsoever!
Thank you boss for this help in keeping us updated, thank you very much
If someone (Dalai Lama) decides to claim independence and then the region (Tibet) will become an independent nation. If the said western logic is followed, and assume that Donetsk and Luhansk want independence with the support of the majority of their people, then such regions should become independent states. Using the same reasoning, Crimea should be freed from Ukraine and the wish of the majority Russian-speaking population should be respected as they voted in favor of joining Russia.
Likewise, we should respect the wish of the French-speaking Quebec province in Canada, Catalonia (Spain), Assam state (India), if the majority of the people there so decide to gain an independence status.
If the West does not agree to the independence of Donetsk, Luhansk, Crimea, and so on, then there is NO basis for treating Tibet as an independent state. There should not be any double standard. Nor should the rule of recognizing state independence be arbitrarily applied.
And mind you, Tibet has been part of China (Yuan Dynasty) since the 13th century. The history of Tibet being part of Imperial China is indeed earlier than European settlers moving to America and the founding of the United States of America.
Also it’s fucking hilarious that maps such as the one in the thumbnail makes Tibet out to be so large. When in truth, “Tibet the state” if they even were a state during the Republican era was only about 3/4 of what is today’s Tibetan Autonomous Region. The eastern quarter of today’s Tibet and the western chunk of Sichuan used to be its own province called Xikang (formally the 川边特别区 roughly translating to Special Region Of Frontier Sichuan).
It's not about Tibet being a part of China, it's about the CCP supression of Tibetan culture that was allowed to exist under all Chinese empires. The forced sinicization of Tibet is the main issue here. The CCP propaganda makes critisism towards it look like critisism towards China when that is simply not true. The west doesn't have problems with China, it has problems with the CCP alone. And another thing, Assamese do not want to join China I think you mean Arunachal Pradesh. And there to most people do not want to give up their democratic rights to join China. If they join China they will be turned into a military border state, striped of all political rights.
Also isn't the CCP anti imperialist? Why would it want to claim all the imperial holdings of the Chinese Empire?? Atleast the Soviet union made its colonies into republics. China is straight up colonising these areas with the Han Chinese. Why doesn't China negotiate with India in good faith? It's always threats and attempts to gain an upper hand, never a good intent.
@lati long The size on the thumbnail map is more like what the Dalai Lama wants in his 大藏区 idea, made up of Tibet and a whole lot of Qinghai.
@@davidw.2791 just a little subtle misinformation that he we would not see 😂
USA used to support Kuomingtang's claim on Tibet and 11dashline, but why West didn't support CCP's claim on Tibet and 9dashline now?
We know why because Kuomingtang has been lapdog for USA for 90 years either in Nanjing or Taiwan, just like now why West supports Ukraine's sovereignty today.
Tibet is like today's Kurdistan, it's an independent entity but no countries have diplomatic relations with them, if Syria invaded Kurdistan then it's 'unification'
West is kind to CCP only when CCP was ally against Soviet in 1980s, after Soviet collapsed then USA didn't need CCP anymore,
then USA just supports separatists human rights under CCP rule,
so you know why because China now is too strong for USA
The Dalai Lama liked the video and stuck out his tongue :face_with_tongue:
the feared tibetans destroyed in less than a month. tibet raided sichuan as late as the 1900's ,so you would see why most of the PLA soldiers that invaded came from sichuan.most sichuanese back then had an intense sense of revenge against tibetans.
I would enjoy more videos about Tibet. I know very little about the region and its history. Thank you for another interesting video!
Stay well out there everybody, and God bless you, friends. ✝️ :)
Sadly, they cover up the historical truth with shrewd rhetoric. They won't tell you that Tibet at that time was a feudal country hundreds of years behind the world, and the commoners were just slaves of the nobles. An important reason for the PLA's occupation of Tibet without much resistance was the hatred of the civilian population for the ruling class. You should not learn about Tibet from white people who have never been to Tibet.
@@Hzhh91 Hello! As I mentioned above, I unfortunately know very little about Tibet. Could you send me a source for your info that I could read?
@@Numba003 It's a pity that all the books I'd like to recommend to you are in Chinese. I'm not sure you can read it.
书名：《西藏历史问题研究》 作者：张云
Title: A Study of Tibetan History by Zhang Yun
书名：《解放西藏史》 作者：《解放西藏史》编委会
Title: History of the Liberation of Tibet - this book is written by the Communist Party, but it also gives a sense of the state of the old regime in Tibet at the time.
@@Hzhh91 If nothing else, I can try to look them up and see about possible translations. Thank you very much for the recommendations.
All media makers have their own biases, it's better to travel to tibet and learn the truth from the local tibet ppls.
Good post. Can you do one on the employment of former Nazis in both the East and the West after WWII? Thanks.
There are already two videos on that topic on this channel
By the way, in 1956 the Khamba Tibetans launched a rebellion. It directly led to the rupture of the relationship between the CCP and Tibet, which in turn led to the great suppression of Tibet in 1959.
To give an example to illustrate why the Tibetans in the Khampa area launched a rebellion: In 1949, the Kangding area, the capital of Khampa during the Kuomintang rule, had to collect about 35 tons of grain tax a year. By 1955, the total amount of grain tax collected by the CCP in Kangding reached 325 tons (In just six years, the grain tax has increased nearly tenfold! ). The total grain output and population of Kangding area (the county's population is only about 100,000) have not increased significantly in these years, but the grain tax increased so much that led to a great famine. Absolutely, the rebellion caused by heavy taxation by CCP. If the Tibetans did not want to starve to death, they had no choice but to rebel.
The insurgency led to a crackdown to all Tibetans not only Khampa but also Amdo and U-Tsang by the CCP. For example, a CCP document of Qinghai in 1958-1959 called for "smothering rebellion before premeditated" - we all know what that means.
Judging from the results, the 1959-1962 repression was extremely cruel. One county lost 60% of its population in the most brutal area of the crackdown - including executions, forced migration, etc. (much higher than Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge), repression in some areas has resulted in a 2:8 male-to-female ratio in Tibet (Then came the influx of Chinese male immigrants and intermarriage with these Tibetan women who had lost their fathers and husbands to "promote ethnic integration" - we have to recall the brutal story of the slaughter of men and the ravages of women during Genghis Khan's conquest).
According to some internal battle reports of the PLA, when the "rebels" were suppressed, a "rebel army" of more than 10,000 people had only more than 3,000 knives, spears and firearms combined - it is not difficult to imagine that most "Rebels" are unarmed farmers and herdsmen.
The so-called "liberating serfs and overthrowing serf owners" is even more ironic. In order to suppress the Tibetan people, the Tibetan people are generally designated as "serf owners". In the most exaggerated part of Hainan Prefecture, Qinghai Province, 90% of the population is classified as "serf owners"-- It is completely unimaginable how 90% of the slave owners enslaved 10% of the serfs! Under the bloody repression, Tibet achieved "complete liberation".
The above information is from the book "When The Iron Bird Flies" by Li Jianglin, who is a daughter of a senior CCP official. Its information is derived from the CCP's internal reports, statistics, official confidential documents, etc.
Way to simp for a feudal slave that had a theocrat as its dictator
Well guys, I know the Ganden Phodrang regime in Tibet is a very pre-modern brutal theocracy, but after we saw the CCP's genocide in Tibet, I have to say that the land suffered so many fucking disasters that you can't argue that the CCP's genocidal rule of Tibet is "modern" and "progressive" in order to oppose the barbaric and badass rule of Ganden Phodrang.
In the eyes of any Tibetan, the only difference between the theocracy of Ganden Phodrang and the rule of the CCP is that one is skinning you from the top of your head to the bottom of your feet, and the other is skinning you from the bottom of your feet to the top of your head. The barbarism of the theocratic government cannot be used as an excuse to defend the CCP, nor can the CCP's genocide atrocities be used to cheer for the "defense of our theocracy in Tibet."
As for what you ask me to do? I do not know either. But at that juncture in 1951, if I were a Tibetan, the only thing I could do was run away from this shithole.
True tibet should return to their feudal system
@@仁兎なずなこ dont forget how tibet made leather from human skin and used them for furniture
@@仁兎なずなこ as a Tibetan I can say that I rather be skinned by fellow Tibetan and have a free Tibetan then being ruled by China
The issue of Tibet was originally simple.
It used to be part of the Qing Empire, Although the Dalai Lama XIII tried to seek independence while the Qing government was weakening, the Tibetans feared the British more than the Qing Empire, because the British Empire at that time was a more ambitious existence, and they invaded Tibet militarily. so Dalai Lama XIII finally chose the Qing Empire .
And the Qing Empire handed over the ruling power to the Republic of China through the 《Qing Emperor's abdication edict》.
After the establishment of the ccp, the People's Liberation Army peacefully entered Tibet and got along happily with the 14th Dalai Lama. Everything seemed to be going on harmoniously and perfectly.
But in just one year, things went bad. The agrarian revolution of the communist government advanced to Tibet.
The land policy of the CCP in mainland China was divided into two stages. The first stage was to re-divide the average land, which was welcomed by the vast majority of farmers at that time.
In 1952, the land policy in mainland China changed, and the communist government implemented Soviet-style collective farms on a large scale.implemented Soviet-style collective farms on a large scale. which created a terrible disaster in the years that followed.Massive man-made famine.
Communist Party officials made a stupid and terrible decision on how to implement the communist government's land policy in Tibet.“Two steps to one step”,That is to abolish serfdom, skip the equal distribution of land, and directly nationalize the land, entering the Soviet-style collective farm model.This immediately caused conflict between Tibetans and communist officials, And caused a famine, some people starved to death.Tibetans in Kangding flock to Lhasa to seek help from their traditional leader, the Dalai Lama.And the communist regime saw it as a “rebellion”.The Dalai Lama could only flee to India.
The cause of the Tibet issue lies in the stupid policies of the communist regime.But after years of gestation and delays, it eventually turned into an ethnic conflict for Tibetans abroad.
You know the communist regime never admits their mistakes, never says sorry we were wrong, because their rationale for ruling is that they will always be right. Therefore, they will never revoke the sentence of "rebellion" against overseas Tibetans, and they will never put down their stance to seek a proper solution. They are fucking communists.They never take responsibility for their stupidity and mistakes.
as of now about 90% of tibetans are very happy to live in communist china.
Subscriber since day one, appreciate it all, keep going.
1903 British invasion to Tibet. Can't imagine u ignore this.
unsubscribe, bye-bye
He also ignored the CIA was training Tibetan rebels in the US or that CIA money poured into it.
Chinese losing patience and invading next day is nonsense. It takes weeks and in that time months to assemble that kind of force
Great video! Didn't know 80% of the things here explained.
Love your Talk show and God Bless you !!!❤❤❤👍👍👍
Tibet became a part of China since more than 700 years ago,which is more than 2 time of American history😂😂
Please do a video about the annex of Texas and Hawaii
How would that relate to the Cold War?
@@henrylapp7954 Direct relation to Cold War, No. But from historical development point of view, Yes.
Without the westward expansion and the genocide on natives
Without the invasion and annexation on so many lands
The USA will not be such a powerful coastal to coastal nation with so massive land and resources that is capable of threating the world
In this case, if they only preserve its original 13 stars,
It is hard to believe the Cold War could happen 100 years later
Anyway, all hypothetical, no one cares
@@henrylapp7954 It's not, a CCP bot is triggered and do the usual reaction : a whataboutism.
Is “what about America?” The first thing they teach you in Chinese schools?
Yes mate, since they gave lessons for what is called "rule-based orders". You need to know what they have done in history
Please bring out video on invasion/ annexation of free independent Naga nation by India in the 1950 and the pending solution of the Indo-Naga political issue
I hope China🇨🇳 and India🇮🇳 should reconcile and cooperate for a peaceful region, indeed for a peaceful Asia. We gain so much by cooperation and peaceful negotiation. War is devastating, war is bad. Remember, Nehru was sympathetic to China's immense suffering, he wanted an ally in China, had built relation alongwith Chou En Lai. Heres to friendship🇨🇳🇮🇳
True, although for true cooperation, the smaller nations nearby need to be under the suzerainty of one or another. Otherwise they will continue to grind diplomacy to halt.
Tough really all that is needed for that is the USA to stop interfering and the threat of cutting off trade and funding. Maybe at worst blockading and light raiding. They don't really have global ambitions anyway, so don't really lose anything.
Yeah nehru was nice towards china even though china's invade, anyway u're right, it's asian era unless ccp greed for arunachal grow
@@avishkumar8231 Nehru was so nice that he launched Forward Policy and ordered Indian soldiers to killed patrolling Chinese soldiers before 1962? Nehru is blamed by Indian because he lost a war which is not his fault. You just can't accept the incompetent of your army, so you blame Nehru.
@@easonhuang7117 blaming nehru is like the same blaming indian soldiers in the 60s, we are down for it, it's u guys that can't see the wrong doing and always blamed others
Very educational, thank you.
What they want to do again in Taiwan?? Big difference is the fact Taiwan is prepared to welcome Chinese
Except they’re not.
@@baneofbanes let Chinese try to invade the island and will be a catastrophe to China, with thousands drawn in the waters around the island
Can you talk about how india annexed Sikkim next ?
还可以谈谈怎么样吞并克什米尔和锡克王国以及印度被歧视的两亿穆斯林
however much the Beijing and Moscow goverments claimed to be "Communist",
their actions are very much as successor regimes to the Mongol Khanate
What......
I don't how about them but CCP of today is just about holding on to power and not about any ideology
Except the Mongols would leave the tomb of Confucius alone.
Or Macedonian empire or British empire or any other conqueror nations.
That's what happens to countries who try communism. Which is why the ideology is a cancer to the planet.
Tibet has always exchanged business and cultural exchanges with China, but in the 19th century, China was suppressed by the west, Britain and Japan in the 20th century. Its national strength was weak and there was no time to manage it. Otherwise, Tibet, like Africans today, has nothing to do with the current civilization. Refer to the economic and cultural people's lives in Nepal and Tibet
China will pay for the Tibetan genocide. The xongnu will return
Your comment makes no sense
There's no way that Tibet would be independent as long as China remains a strong country, if only for the control of vital water resources available in Tibet.
The CCP's rule is still much better than the local tibetan nobles and monks, if only you know the bloody history before 1950, Dalai Lama even uses human bones and heads as material for sacrifice. The PLA, although established a communism, however, gave the tibetan peasants land and a relatively basic personal freedom.
What a ridiculous and shameless opinion!! Let me give you an example. If we give the American continent to the Indians and let them establish their own country, we give Australia to the former aborigines and let them become independent countries. Do you think the two countries will develop better separately? In the history of the Tibet Autonomous Region, slavery was practiced. Does anyone think that slavery is an advanced civilization? Tibet has never been an independent country, it has always been a part of China. It's just that for a while the Chinese government granted Tibet autonomy. However, at that time, the Tibetan nobles were wildly enslaved, oppressed and mistreated the Tibetan people. The Chinese central government later expelled them and rescued the Tibetan people. All those who oppose the Chinese central government today are the descendants of the demons who oppressed the Tibetan people and want to continue to enslave them. Their scheming will not succeed
The difference is... Tibet became free and independent. None of America has separated. Aside from a civil war where America was reunited in the end.