Fake Silver & Gold - How To Avoid Them - Mike Maloney & James Anderson

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  • Опубликовано: 2 ноя 2024

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  • @mkaberli
    @mkaberli 8 лет назад +89

    As far as I can tell, this video is tantamount to a public service warning for precious metal investors. Maloney and his guest ought to be thanked for their time and effort. So, considering the benefits of this video, why would anyone in their right mind give it a thumbs down? Were these individuals seriously dyslexic and just hit the wrong button, or are they trolls that derive some twisted sense of power by being contrarian, or are they just stupid? Though, now that I think about it, I suspect the last two categories are one and the same. Maybe, they're the Chinese counterfeiters are the ones giving the thumbs down.

    • @HeavyRollin
      @HeavyRollin 7 лет назад +2

      mkaberli there are a bunch of people that don't have any logic. As you have been very well informed, you should not worry about the trolls.

    • @mortiusvicimus8901
      @mortiusvicimus8901 6 лет назад

      mkaberli I was just about to post "53 thumbs down must be the Chinese" before I read your post.
      Good call!

    • @CostaMichailidis
      @CostaMichailidis 6 лет назад +3

      It could just be bots set to auto-downvote certain topics.

    • @baltsosser
      @baltsosser 6 лет назад +1

      Thumbs down could be coming from the folks that are in the 'business' of making the counterfeits.

    • @the1noodles
      @the1noodles 5 лет назад

      @@baltsosser lots of money in the very legitimate life of counterfeiting anything

  • @BradyKirk
    @BradyKirk 11 лет назад +10

    Just ring tested my eagles. They ring true and I'd never realized what a beautiful note they make. Thanks for the tip.

    • @Devil-024
      @Devil-024 2 года назад

      Yea me to, all 8476 of them.

  • @shawnkovac2029
    @shawnkovac2029 10 лет назад +36

    "or your 'money' back" .. haha. You mean 'currency', Mike. ;P

  • @donaldrblake8092
    @donaldrblake8092 11 лет назад +21

    The gold & silver coin pings sound beautiful... Thank you for the information

  • @LookAndLive1
    @LookAndLive1 9 лет назад +13

    I bought Gold and Silver through JM Bullion. I did a acid test and so far everything is good.

    • @maryamkhalid2613
      @maryamkhalid2613 4 года назад

      I want to buy too, what advice can u give me please,

  • @emilphoryew9436
    @emilphoryew9436 7 лет назад +4

    The gold coin has an amazing ping. It gives me new appreciation for it. The Secret Service should arrest the Federal Reserve for counterfeiting. When the bill applies to them I will fully support it! No one has a right to destroy the integrity of money! Anyone or any institution that does belongs in jail.

  • @ggeiser3
    @ggeiser3 9 лет назад +1

    The number one way to avoid fakes is to ONLY buy from a trusted dealer.

  • @TheRealSiberD
    @TheRealSiberD 10 лет назад +8

    Just use weights, measurements, and a rare earth magnet for silver. Easy peasy~!

  • @Avicena-tf5uj
    @Avicena-tf5uj 4 года назад +2

    Thank you James for protecting American precious metal integrity

    • @JamesHenryAnd
      @JamesHenryAnd 4 года назад

      Cheer Varis - this by the way warned even more people ruclips.net/video/JxcO-lpETdc/видео.html

  • @lukeslc-xd8ds
    @lukeslc-xd8ds 10 лет назад +25

    It is becoming more and more clear that China is a sewer.

    • @clairishe
      @clairishe 10 лет назад +2

      All the more reason to buy things made in America. Bring the prosperity back home. "Made in America" prices are finally becoming competitive once again. Been buying US made whenever there's a choice to.

    • @urduib
      @urduib 10 лет назад +1

      clairishe Nothing is made in America anymore, if you buy American its made in Mexico, rich people dont even like to pay minimum wages to Americans. Globalization is killing nations, only so the rich can make more money.

  • @silverguru
    @silverguru 11 лет назад

    Thank you Mike and company-- This is a topic that too few know about.

  • @JamesHenryAnd
    @JamesHenryAnd 11 лет назад

    Hi Leon, the key words in my prior post were "Governments Cannot Protect Bullion Investors" & "unsuccessfully lobbied".
    The internet makes it too easy for fake products to be shipped anywhere in the world. No legislation will stop this growing problem.

  • @lilythedog9734
    @lilythedog9734 10 лет назад +3

    Thank you for making a video about the knock-offs!
    I always thought it was irresponsible to strongly advocate purchasing precious metals, but then never mention this dark and very prevalent side of the market.
    However - failed to mentioned the APPEARANCE TEST / WEIGHT TEST / MAGNET TEST / PHYSICAL DIMENSION TEST - Whats with that? Also very important.

  • @LordMardur
    @LordMardur 8 лет назад +1

    Just listening to the sound is very subjective. So I tried something more numerical, record the sound with a microphone and do spectrum analysis in Audacity (record the sound, select the interesting part, analyze->plot spectrum).
    The confusing part is, that I don't get a clear peak at the supposed 6145 Hz. In fact, there is no significant response at that frequency at all in the spectrum.
    The sound in the video at 1:52 has peaks at 3800 Hz, 8750 Hz, 15250 Hz (about 4x 3800) and a very small response at 6370 Hz.
    A silver eagle that I got has the same 3 peaks in frequency (within 1%) recorded with a very cheap microphone. So it basically sounds the same as their authentic example. But where does the 6145 Hz come from?

    • @RichardKinch
      @RichardKinch 4 года назад

      You're correct. The ASE fundamental is about 3.7 kHz. The 6145 Hz report is nonsense.

  • @nicholasgranat2999
    @nicholasgranat2999 6 лет назад +1

    Thanks for your time!

  • @cinemabon
    @cinemabon 6 лет назад +3

    First of all, this is a commercial. It isn't a public service video, it's a commercial. They're selling a product. Keep that in mind. Someone said they're performing a public service (note the term). No, they're only trying to push their version of a product. "Pinging" a coin is no definitive test. Large bars of precious metals invite fakery. Stick to small silver rounds from reputable dealers. Do NOT trust sellers on Ebay. Go to a coin dealer. If your silver is fake, you know where to go to get your refund.

    • @Sci-Fi_Fan296
      @Sci-Fi_Fan296 6 лет назад

      Very sound advice! I am currently this advice to heart in the way that buy coins.

  • @RockTheOcean4me
    @RockTheOcean4me 10 лет назад +1

    Important video, shared.
    Maybe an idea for Mike is to make a video about the face value of minted coins and what it will mean if you decide to bring it out of the country. Compare that to coins w/o a face value and silver bars, interesting.

  • @paulrichards2365
    @paulrichards2365 4 года назад +1

    This is why I was reluctant to get into metals at all. I wouldn't know the difference between Gold or Brass. However, I realised with the Global Economy the way it is, I needed to get into metals. I went to a large reputable dealer. You get a tube of coins from a dealer, and for someone like me, am I going to pull them out and 'ding' them?

    • @kev1734
      @kev1734 4 года назад

      I'm starting out too and feel the same way. any luck?

    • @paulrichards2365
      @paulrichards2365 4 года назад

      @@kev1734 I bought from a large reputable dealer who buys back the metals they sell you. I keep the reciepts. I would NOT buy from a small coin shop or Ebay. So I have confidence the metals I have are 'real'. Just go to the Chinese site wish.com - where I have bought a lot of very cheap stuff, like nice watches for $5. You will see there a LOT of copies of Gold and Silver for a few dollars and so realistic, only someone with proper tools can tell the difference. Anyway, in answer to your question, I do feel 'lucky'. As the world economy worsens, my stock of metal goes up in value. I bought Gold and Silver in March 2020 when it was cheap. To buy the same now, would cost me AU$25,000 more!!! Which is now too expensive for me. However, even though it is dearer now than in March 2020, It will keep going up - some say to $200 an ounce - For someone starting out I would recommend buying as much as you can afford. Your paper money will be reducing in value, but metal will keep going up.

  • @notpcone
    @notpcone 11 лет назад

    Thanks for the "heads up" ! Sadly, now all of us have to inspect our holdings with extreme scrutiny to determine if we have been duped!!

  • @brandonallen9853
    @brandonallen9853 Год назад

    Thank you so much Mike for bringing this evil to our attention. Noone wants fake assets.

  • @clairishe
    @clairishe 10 лет назад +5

    There are fewer small product/weight fakes because of the economics of scale don't favor making small fakes. However, they still exist and are not uncommon these days. Magnetic slide (Diamagnetism) test is my favorite test for silver. You need a rare earth magnet for it though.

    • @MegaSuaveman
      @MegaSuaveman 10 лет назад

      The above video just told you the magnet test would not work on that fake!

    • @orlock20
      @orlock20 10 лет назад

      Half of China's households make less than $1 per day. That could be one to three plus people. They will fake absolutely anything from vitamin pills to American Indian artifacts and jewelry.

  • @Castorios
    @Castorios 11 лет назад

    Many thanks to Mike and James for this informative video.

  • @AlamoCityCello
    @AlamoCityCello 11 лет назад

    Hey Mike,
    Great to see you again!
    All the Best

  • @victoryenting
    @victoryenting 9 лет назад +11

    Anyone see the chest looks different on fake US eagle :P (10:40)

    • @aedressler
      @aedressler 4 года назад

      Hilarious! Our guys are too high-brow to notice the ol' slipped nipple maneuver

  • @red7fifty
    @red7fifty 9 лет назад

    Instead of tapping my PM with a metal object, I used the end of a Ball Point Pen...the plastic barrel won't muck up the metal, and you can still ring out a 10 oz Silver Bar with good results.

  • @shawnangie1
    @shawnangie1 6 лет назад +1

    They had me up until "numismatic coins are a bad invest". Yikes. When bullion drops, it doesn't touch the sides on the way down. Bullion is NOT an investment, it's a cash saving hedge.

  • @marcocastro2944
    @marcocastro2944 7 лет назад +1

    What is the difference between numismatic and bullion?

  • @MrThe1234guy
    @MrThe1234guy 5 лет назад

    Five years later and what has stopped absolutely nothing...

    • @JamesHenryAnd
      @JamesHenryAnd 4 года назад

      US Mint is finally doing anti-counterfeit ASEs & AGEs by May 2021 (delay due to coming early COVID shutdown Sep 2020).

  • @TenemaesLament
    @TenemaesLament 11 лет назад

    I can't believe they plugged storage services, especially with the controversy regarding the market being manipulated and paper contracts being unbacked. If you don't hold it, you don't own it.

  • @davincij15
    @davincij15 11 лет назад

    I did a video on one of these fakes, they are not bad and unless you know what you are looking for you can get scammed.

  • @HeritageStacking
    @HeritageStacking 10 лет назад

    Thanks guys. I really am thankful for your videos. I buy from you guys for a reason!

  • @Nantchev
    @Nantchev 10 лет назад

    Got a rare new millennium £5 coin years ago and checked it and, as far as I can tell, it is pure silver because the sound is long and consistent. How cool is that?

  • @mpix19135
    @mpix19135 4 года назад

    If I get a guarantee for a fake and discover it a year later, what prevents the seller from stating that I made a switch?

  • @ThatsToughTV
    @ThatsToughTV 6 лет назад +3

    Us a magnet! It won’t stick but will slightly stick and slide off really slow

    • @harveymushman2219
      @harveymushman2219 6 лет назад

      Not any more....they now use non magnetic metal....so the magnet is not the only test now

    • @southernreign1
      @southernreign1 6 лет назад +2

      @@harveymushman2219 silver is slightly magnetic. The neodymium magnetics slide slow, non silver slides fast or magnetic sticks to coin.

  • @adamnoel7639
    @adamnoel7639 8 лет назад +3

    But purchasing smaller coins/bars is still safer because if you have a 1 oz. coin and it is counterfeit, you're losing less currency than if it was a kilogram bar

  • @Rhiahl
    @Rhiahl 11 лет назад

    The information below the video would be better if you had a link to US Congress, the contact page and the bill number put in.

  • @LeonWevans
    @LeonWevans 11 лет назад

    Well there's also the fact that they don't want to protect them. That's what I'm trying to say. I agree with you on the internet.

  • @LuisDiaz-lk9pf
    @LuisDiaz-lk9pf 11 лет назад

    Great information. I just started collecting silver bullion a month ago. I've been buying from reliable and reputable online dealers. Glad I haven't been getting my bullion from local coin shops or pawn shops. Glad I followed my instincts.

  • @jayb-clay2724
    @jayb-clay2724 5 лет назад

    I want everything checked ain't no such thing of a chain of integrity anymore 😂😂

  • @ytgv3fc7
    @ytgv3fc7 11 лет назад

    are you paying a huge premium for such small bars compared to 1 oz or even 1 kg bars?

  • @Kaynos
    @Kaynos 11 лет назад +1

    That's the sound of real money.

  • @simpleman72685
    @simpleman72685 11 лет назад

    Actually if you study his research, it tells you when the best time is to buy better than any other supplier out there. He runs a business so he will always say it's a good time.

  • @hegerwalter
    @hegerwalter 4 года назад

    Is it legal to own counterfeit coins, not to pass along, but to use as a baseline against others?

  • @shadzrob1234
    @shadzrob1234 6 лет назад

    I've bought a number of coins from different suppliers, including the Royal Mint (UK), BullionByPost and Silver-to-go. Does anyone have any experience in buying from these companies? I obviously want to avoid buying counterfeit silver. Seems this could be a big problem, especially when people are understandably wanting to buy silver as cheaply as possible above the spot price. Especially in the UK when we are subject to VAT.

  • @danielc7019
    @danielc7019 9 лет назад +1

    You should do an update on this topic, it is now 2 years later, and I have seen almost every kind of coin, round and bar faked. Yes, even 1 gram bars! can you believe that?
    If anyone is planning on buying any gold or silver do yourself a favour and buy from a reputable dealer witch strict control measures.

  • @thatrandomchannel8589
    @thatrandomchannel8589 7 лет назад +3

    So Mike is this why your product is so high Jesus Christ I know you are protecting us but man some of your prices are ridiculous.

  • @simpleman72685
    @simpleman72685 11 лет назад +1

    Encryption keys can be broken. If Bitcoin ever becomes popular, it will happen. Just like how people can get into bank account, credit card accounts, and social security numbers.

  • @royalfreaklion
    @royalfreaklion 11 лет назад +1

    Can you tell us how that fake coin which was 73% copper,18%Zinc made it through the density test?? If the weight was right the dimensions must have been off. Densities -> Copper-8.96g/cc, Zinc-7.14g/cc,Nickel-8.9g/cc,Silver 10.49g/cc. To properly fake the density one must always use lead-11.34g/cc along with lighter metals to get close to the density of silver.
    Surely the fake coin shown in this video must have had an odd thickness.

  • @W_Dad
    @W_Dad 11 лет назад

    lol man that sound of beauty sounds so pure it made me think you edit the sound :)

  • @UpInRank
    @UpInRank 11 лет назад

    Hi, I know you said a magnet does not attract to the fake SAE, but does the magnet push it away like it does on the real SAE? Thanks.

  • @Jojogenx
    @Jojogenx 11 лет назад

    And just recently as early as early as 2010 stated to show up in New York gold market places. I mean its hard to believe that Chinese counterfeiters are purchasing legitimate gold bars and drilling in tungsten cores. Nassim thought the culprit must be a professionally trained jeweler to have pulled off the caper. "The forger had to slice the original bar along the side, hollow out the gold and insert the tungsten ingot, and then reseal and polish the bar, Nassim said.

  • @CosmosPrivateer
    @CosmosPrivateer 11 лет назад

    Which coin is ringing?
    What type of coin are u striking the other coin with?

  • @LeonWevans
    @LeonWevans 11 лет назад

    The 2013 gold coin has new security feature. Canada is always ahead of the game.

  • @donaldwong2848
    @donaldwong2848 8 лет назад +1

    I usually check the coin with a magnet. Always thought that Gold and Silver were not magnetic. Fakes should be magnetic.

  • @wingsonmyback1
    @wingsonmyback1 7 лет назад +2

    what about poured silver , how can I check that?

    • @tigerlilly3727
      @tigerlilly3727 4 года назад

      ultrasonic with the TM8812 :) and density

  • @HifiCentret
    @HifiCentret 11 лет назад +1

    The Silver Eagle. I'd bet magnet test *DO* work. You need to do the *right* test. Not just a simple test to see if a magnet will stick. Let a neodymium (very powerfull small) magnet slide down by a 45 degree angle. On the real silver eagle it'll slide down slowly while on the fake it'll slide fast. The reason is eddy current. The base metals in the fake has much higher internal resistance and therefore much less eddy currents are generated than in the real one. Try it before dismissing magnets!

  • @johnh23z
    @johnh23z 11 лет назад

    THX for the solid info !

  • @mikehornbeck6836
    @mikehornbeck6836 9 лет назад

    lets say you have a lot of gold jewelry but you want to melt it down into a bar. how can you do that, what are the pros and cons to doing so?

  • @C-130-Hercules
    @C-130-Hercules 10 лет назад

    Oops. Wrong channel. Still....good advice.

  • @lucasalshouse7023
    @lucasalshouse7023 5 лет назад

    "Counter proof measurements" lol. I love when people just say thing because they got like half way through a word and realize they didn't have the whole sentence planned out. I do this too but it's much more funny to see it happen in a semi professional setting/video.

  • @robertedwards6326
    @robertedwards6326 6 лет назад

    How can you check it without destroying the numismatic value I don't want to put dents in them

  • @bigb0r3
    @bigb0r3 9 лет назад

    Shouldn't the weight of a counterfeit be different from an authentic coin using a high quality scale?

    • @thefireman2854
      @thefireman2854 9 лет назад +1

      +Nunya Biznes It could weigh correctly, but the dimensions should be incorrect if it were fake. You need to know the specifics about what you are buying. More than one test should be always be performed.

  • @kdessinger
    @kdessinger 7 лет назад

    Great video Mike! I bought a couple silver liberty dollars on the cheap and they turned out to be cheap. I guess you get what you pay for.

  • @MackMarketing247
    @MackMarketing247 10 лет назад

    Thanks for the great video

  • @RobertLach
    @RobertLach 11 лет назад

    Many thanks you guys.
    Good to know !

  • @CGJ7755
    @CGJ7755 10 лет назад

    the ring is very obvious on 22k gold, but what about 24K gold -like buffaloes and maple leafs? Those dont sustain as long.

  • @JorgeRaimundo
    @JorgeRaimundo 11 лет назад +1

    Hi!, Thank you very much for this video. I've tested my silver eagles and all seem fine, but none of the Austrian philharmonics, Canadian maple leafs or UK's britannicas were able to give the same sound. Can you confirm that this pitch you showed is specific to the US Silver Eagle? Th

    • @tigerlilly3727
      @tigerlilly3727 4 года назад

      different coins give different sounds. check density (specific gravity). Should be 10.49g/cm3

  • @PowerNoob9000
    @PowerNoob9000 10 лет назад +1

    I bought a 2014 Gold buffalo here in Denmark and I fear I got cheated. I find it hard to believe that the US mint would release a coin with an uneven edge.
    I even bough a coin tester from goldcoinbalance and the coin passes all the tests except when I test the thickness. When turning the coin in the thickness slot it will become slightly stuck at one point.

  • @xcvsdxvsx
    @xcvsdxvsx 11 лет назад

    we should monetize indium. You can melt it in your kitchen oven. No way people could get away with counterfeiting indium bars.

  • @mikehornbeck6836
    @mikehornbeck6836 9 лет назад

    since you can't ask a bank to give you a counterfeit coin for testing this. how else can you do this?

  • @stevek7202
    @stevek7202 11 лет назад

    Won't the counterfeits affect the long-term value of the metal as well as the value of the real coins & bars?

  • @champstar9669
    @champstar9669 4 года назад

    The ring of truth...

  • @nlucctw2
    @nlucctw2 11 лет назад

    7:20 why is there a post-it on the laptop screen that reads "FAKE"?? lol

  • @pipem4n
    @pipem4n 11 лет назад

    Those are not methodologies you're talking about. those are methods. Methodology is
    "the analysis of the principles of methods, rules, and postulates employed by a discipline"; "the systematic study of methods that are, can be, or have been applied within a discipline"; "the study or description of methods".

  • @deltaxcd
    @deltaxcd 10 лет назад

    So what do we have:
    If you want to use silver or gold for trading you need to perform extensive analysis using quite an expensive machinery and complex process or you can only trade with very reputable companies that sell and buy at terrible prices.
    In result gold and silver is not so good investment.

  • @clintfranklin2472
    @clintfranklin2472 6 лет назад +1

    I would weigh it first then do a water displacement volume test.

  • @0f-the-land
    @0f-the-land 11 лет назад

    Thanks for the info.

  • @jflow5601
    @jflow5601 4 года назад

    what are the penalties for (re)selling counterfeit coins/bars?

  • @tazmania7785
    @tazmania7785 4 года назад +2

    6:44 that ping

  • @Croft_Gundogs
    @Croft_Gundogs 11 лет назад

    Mike, I have noticed some fake silver eagles on ebay have been listed as 'layered or plated'. Because they are stating that, is that still illegal?
    Also, I think graded coins are good for collectible people and a little bit investment, but if you are purely investing, it has to be bullion. So I think graded coins have their place. I can guarantee if you had tried to open up and NGC or PCGS coin, you would of had to smash it open, my brother tried it.

  • @Synapsisify
    @Synapsisify 10 лет назад

    Very helpful video I just sounded my stack and omg this is ecxiting.

  • @AtlantisArch
    @AtlantisArch 11 лет назад

    what about cyclic amperometry, especially to test silver coins ? it should be far less expansive testers than X-ray diffraction ones and can detect plated or inhomogenous or alloys. I bet there IS a market for those as well but couldnt found still (althought i didnt search that much). can you investigate that, mike ?

  • @MrGhost0013
    @MrGhost0013 11 лет назад

    If you know anything about ASEs. These counterfeits are very easy to spot just by putting an actual ASE next to them. I wouldn't worry about them at this moment. Maybe if or when they can make better ones.

  • @cpswyl2
    @cpswyl2 11 лет назад

    Still, it will be easier to detect fake small silver product, with its thin plating, Are the 'xray guns' reliable for detecting plated silver and gold coins? Hollowed out gold bars would be more difficult to detect by xray, i think you are saying?

  • @sanitydotorg
    @sanitydotorg 11 лет назад

    what do you think of XRF analysis? I didn't see it mentioned.

  • @CarlitosMayo
    @CarlitosMayo 11 лет назад

    You'll find loads of them in Thailand, Laos and India on regular markets. They might be imported by tourists into other counties.

  • @tylero8595
    @tylero8595 11 лет назад

    What is the device being used to test the bullion in this video?

  • @jgood3466
    @jgood3466 11 лет назад

    Whens the next installment of Gold and Silver:Secrets of Money being released? Seems like forever since the first one came out.

  • @nlucctw2
    @nlucctw2 11 лет назад

    With bitcoin you dont have to worry about counterfeit. It is all pre-verified before you send bitcoins by the network. In this sense Bitcoin > PMs

  • @milewskiigor
    @milewskiigor 11 лет назад

    What are actual weight limits for bars?

  • @YVRSURF
    @YVRSURF 11 лет назад

    First Majestic silver is the first miner to sell right to the public , you know the goods will be real , but when you want to sell them who will trust you , this could be a massive problem if trust leaves the physical game

  • @margretsanz2835
    @margretsanz2835 9 лет назад

    Great video, thank you educating a novice. :)

  • @alexbure1982
    @alexbure1982 8 лет назад

    Is there any way the Mint can be selling counterfeits?

  • @johnqlunchbucket
    @johnqlunchbucket 5 лет назад +1

    Buy the new gold and silver, Bitcoin and Litecoin, no counterfeiting possible! 😎

  • @KevJK1
    @KevJK1 11 лет назад

    Mike, I suspect the US authorities will be happy to hear (as if they didn't know) of anything that threatens confidence in real money. Kevin

  • @tealeh2
    @tealeh2 5 лет назад

    Where can you store your gold and silver? It is very risky to hide them at home...by the way, the guest guy is very good looking. ..he has celebrities look...😉

  • @CDaeda
    @CDaeda 11 лет назад

    Can you determine authencity by weight and dimensions?

  • @Ma3xl32
    @Ma3xl32 11 лет назад

    Can you show us a ping test of the Austrian Silver Philharmonic and Canadian Silver Maple Leaf too?

  • @petrokrasnov2967
    @petrokrasnov2967 5 лет назад

    I’m sorry but I’ve done the test with know ages coins held I. Possession for years and I’ve never heard them ring that long. I suggest you prove this another way.

  • @goldandsilverransom
    @goldandsilverransom 11 лет назад

    This is a great video and helpful information,,,,, these guys are offering good advice and the ping test is extremely for anyone to become familliar with the genuine feel of gold,,, as with any substance,,,, familiarity is what gains expertise,,,all science works like this....