Hey just a simple math teacher here. I created the point system you were thinking of that reflects effort and uses your card system too if you would like. Main Lead = 25 pts. ( 1 per shoot x 52 weeks) 1,300 pts. available Main Actor = 10 pts. (6 per shoot x 52 weeks) 3,120 pts. available More Lead = 3 pts. (1 per shoot x 3 per week x 52 weeks) 468 pts. available More Actor = 2 pts. (6 per shoot x 3 per week x 52 weeks) 1,872 pts. available Reacts = 1 pt. (3 per shoot x 5 per week x 52 weeks) 780 pts. available Side + = 5 pts. ( 4 per shoot x 52 weeks) 1,040 pts. available assuming you do 1 game show and 1 side cast per week together) Total pts available per year = 8,580 / 7 sidemen = 1,225 points per person for fair share and participated in everything. I think an estimate of 1,150 points per year allows for people to be on vacation , get sick, or just need a day off. I agree for fairness that there should be a minimum requirement for each category, but that based on what you all feel is fair. Still keeping your card system too! yellow card = -50% points, Red card = -100% points. Averages out to leading 7-8 main channel videos, participating in 45-46 main channel videos, leading 22-23 more sidemen videos, participating in 133-134 more sidemen videos, and participating in 111- 112 reacts videos. Also need to participate in 29-30 side + days. You guys work too much! lol But I love what you do!
nah the list is fucked. Only 15p more for hosting a main channel vid instead of just being there... and only 1p more for hosting a MoreSidemen video. Nobody would want to take a MoreSidemen video. You would also have to distinguish between a MoreSidemen mini-gameshow and a gaming video. Havingin to collect 1150 points is still way too many. You say they have to average 7/8 main channel vids and participate as an actor in 45/46... So what, doing 52/54 main channel vids per year, which only gives you 625 points? You would be totally fucked if you took a few weeks off.
@MultiBiggie007 then you make a better one. I think participating in main channel should be about 50% of the required work over everything else they still do! So you do everything you still need to participate in all things sidemen. And why distinguish between the game shows and gaming? They both require 1 person to lead. And why shouldn't participation in a video be valued?
@@malloryterpening3791 i think yours works, your cards are a bit confusing though do you mean 50% of the total points they have or 50% off of the points they wouldve got for that shoot in which case i think it works well
@@malloryterpening3791 So You think your system is perfect? Ok, well I think your weights are off, and the points target you've set is unrealistic. The math here is child's play-anyone over 12 could figure it out. The problem is that your setup is overly simplistic. There's a big difference between hosting a mini-game show and throwing together a gaming video. Even if they both take one person to lead, the effort required is vastly different. Hosting a game show is more work than selecting a GTA playlist, so they should have different weights. It’s simplistic to lump all MoreSidemen or Side+ videos together like they’re the same thing. People also need to be able to take time off without stressing over "getting points," especially when life happens. Ethan has a kid, Vik has Crohn's Disease... They shouldn't have to worry about this nonsense when real-life issues arise. I feel like lowering the target to 900 or 1,000 points would already improve your "system". However, If they want a realistic number, they should analyze what they’ve done in past years and consider the level of effort they actually want to put into certain channels. For example, JJ already said he wants to scrap the Sidemen Reacts channel. It’s a typical teacher's reaction though... You can’t handle criticism because you’re used to bossing around 12-year-olds who can’t or are not allowed to talk back. In my work field, being critical and challenging one another is a must.
Yeah. As much as the "system" helps push out videos, you can kinda tell that they don't really want to be there (which is very fair). That's why I've been slightly turned off from the Sidemen videos in the past year, even though they are still pretty good.
They should just change the card system to a rolling time frame. So say the last 6 months. That way, you don't get too far ahead, and if you slow down too much you will be able to catch up, but it will be possible.
I agree that there should be a baseline amount of videos in each category so you can't just grind MoreSidemen and Reacts, something like hosting a minimum of 5 main channel vids, being in 150 reacts and like 85% of MoreSidemen vids or something like that. To simplify things probably just have every type of MoreSidemen vid be worth 2 points, so you'd get like 6 or 8 points for being there and getting 3 or 4 videos out of a studio day or 4 points out of a single anong us session etc. I'm assuming that the card system would still be in place under this hypothetical points system, like a red deducts 20 points since if you get a red you lose a video which would be worth 20 points. Maybe there should also be a limit to the amount of videos you can do so the likes of Simon and Josh don't overwork themselves when others should be picking up the slack. Like say you can't do more than 10 main channel vids or nore than 200 reacts or something, this would also prevent you from hogging a ton of points which would lead to there not being enough points available for some others to make their quotas.
that system wont work were you do sidemen sunday 15 times then chill rest of the year. we love it when all the sidemen are involved in a video if not all then at least 6. we wanna see all the mense
Weighting different videos to carry more value is the same idea as missing a homework assignment verses missing a test for a classroom. You can always miss one or the other but missing a test is generally more damaging to your overall grade.
I think having guests would definitely relieve the burden of the reacts videos, so you'd only need 2 of the Sidemen + 1 or 2 guests, any number to choose from the usual guests on the main channel
feel like the easiest way to work this out to me would be to do: hosting main channel should be 5 points hosting moresidemen studio should be 3 points being in a moresidemen gaming should be 2 points being in sidmen reacts should be 1 point
the main issue with this is the fact that working a main channel video has gotta be a ton more work so you would have to get specific weighting in reality it might make sense to hire someone for a role like this
I think Simon did it well, being in 5 reacts takes only about an hour, but you'd get the same amount of points as a main channel video, which probably over 24 hours to plan in all, depending on the video.
I think sidemen is working because the key for their success and the factor of their longevity is their consistency. The fact that (almost) All Of Them are In (almost) Every Single one of the main channel Videos and mostly in the others as well. if they wanna cut back, this point system sems okay-ish, otherwise it is doom
We do like insights to the sidemen. But the podcast should always not be centred around the Sidemen. You can talk about so many other topic. Randy would win the most unprepared podcast co host of all time.
I don’t think they are thrashing eachother. In the end it is a business which earns a of money and has 10s if not more than a 100 employees, so you want everyone to put in fair amount of work if you’re gonna divide the money equally between 7 people. So there has to be some accountability. As for discussing it in front of everyone, they have always done that and that’s why they connect with their audience so well.
If people don’t pull their weight or slack off in a business they don’t get oh let me sit down with them because I feel bad they get fired. Certain members don’t do enough or contribute enough outside of just being in videos and it’s fair they need to change their systems. They employ a bunch of people and need to keep a machine or system going and they clearly need to change something. The way they are going about it is actually very polite consider how little some of the other sidemen do sometimes.
Love Simon's thinking but Randy might be the reason sidemen exit from youtube earlier than expected. Let the sidemen handle their discussions with each other rather than talking about who is doing more and who is doing less in this podcast and find a solution on this.
nah this podcast is so boring like randolph is just paraphrasing whatever simon is saying and for some reason just keeps on repeating what he says every podcast!
All he ever does is complain about making Sidemen videos. Enough already, Simon! You guys should just stop and come back after a few years or something.
Probs being stupid, and I get they’ll want to keep the friendliness, but why the overly complicated scoring system & not contracts for what are essentially their jobs? Or get rid of reacts considering most of them don’t want to do it?
The reacts are literally just 8min ai generated rubbish, it makes bare money because of the quantity and you still can’t find to time to film 😂 15mins max to record one of them and send it to their editor😂😂 😊
If someone can enforce the system it could work, but KSI's in the group so he can get away with doing nothing and no one will do anything cause y'all too soft
Nah a main channel video takes many times more effort and time to host than a second channel video. Just think about all the tasks, concepts, bookings, tickets, sets, and what not you gotta go to make it happen, vs a second channel video where you just get them all together and sit down and play a game. Almost no effort
@@Icessassin most of the time it’s the same person and in this context i think they mean planning it. Because just hosting doesn’t count as your video, that’s just taking part in it
What has happened to RUclips, it's noy that deep just record videos of people wanna be there let them, you can't force someone to record a video if they don't want to . RUclips is meant to be fun not a job
This is a wild take. Even if you've only been following the Sidemen recently, you would still know that they do big productions and pump out an insane amount of content. They can't just "record videos". This is a job to them, they make money from it. They have other ventures, employees, and commitments that they have to keep in mind. Making a schedule and ensuring everyone keeps to it is probably the least that they are doing to make sure that everything runs smoothly. They should have fun while making videos, that's why we like them. But consistently putting out low effort content just for banter is not an option for them anymore
I respect randy pushing among us
Randy is underrated
So here for this! Among us is a staple.
Randolph: Yeah...yeah...yeah...okay...okay...i know
Hey just a simple math teacher here. I created the point system you were thinking of that reflects effort and uses your card system too if you would like.
Main Lead = 25 pts. ( 1 per shoot x 52 weeks) 1,300 pts. available
Main Actor = 10 pts. (6 per shoot x 52 weeks) 3,120 pts. available
More Lead = 3 pts. (1 per shoot x 3 per week x 52 weeks) 468 pts. available
More Actor = 2 pts. (6 per shoot x 3 per week x 52 weeks) 1,872 pts. available
Reacts = 1 pt. (3 per shoot x 5 per week x 52 weeks) 780 pts. available
Side + = 5 pts. ( 4 per shoot x 52 weeks) 1,040 pts. available assuming you do 1 game show and 1 side cast per week together)
Total pts available per year = 8,580 / 7 sidemen = 1,225 points per person for fair share and participated in everything. I think an estimate of 1,150 points per year allows for people to be on vacation , get sick, or just need a day off.
I agree for fairness that there should be a minimum requirement for each category, but that based on what you all feel is fair.
Still keeping your card system too! yellow card = -50% points, Red card = -100% points.
Averages out to leading 7-8 main channel videos, participating in 45-46 main channel videos, leading 22-23 more sidemen videos, participating in 133-134 more sidemen videos, and participating in 111- 112 reacts videos. Also need to participate in 29-30 side + days.
You guys work too much! lol But I love what you do!
nah the list is fucked.
Only 15p more for hosting a main channel vid instead of just being there... and only 1p more for hosting a MoreSidemen video. Nobody would want to take a MoreSidemen video.
You would also have to distinguish between a MoreSidemen mini-gameshow and a gaming video. Havingin to collect 1150 points is still way too many. You say they have to average 7/8 main channel vids and participate as an actor in 45/46... So what, doing 52/54 main channel vids per year, which only gives you 625 points? You would be totally fucked if you took a few weeks off.
@MultiBiggie007 then you make a better one. I think participating in main channel should be about 50% of the required work over everything else they still do! So you do everything you still need to participate in all things sidemen. And why distinguish between the game shows and gaming? They both require 1 person to lead. And why shouldn't participation in a video be valued?
@@malloryterpening3791 i think yours works, your cards are a bit confusing though do you mean 50% of the total points they have or 50% off of the points they wouldve got for that shoot in which case i think it works well
@@malloryterpening3791 So You think your system is perfect? Ok, well I think your weights are off, and the points target you've set is unrealistic. The math here is child's play-anyone over 12 could figure it out. The problem is that your setup is overly simplistic.
There's a big difference between hosting a mini-game show and throwing together a gaming video. Even if they both take one person to lead, the effort required is vastly different. Hosting a game show is more work than selecting a GTA playlist, so they should have different weights. It’s simplistic to lump all MoreSidemen or Side+ videos together like they’re the same thing.
People also need to be able to take time off without stressing over "getting points," especially when life happens. Ethan has a kid, Vik has Crohn's Disease... They shouldn't have to worry about this nonsense when real-life issues arise. I feel like lowering the target to 900 or 1,000 points would already improve your "system". However, If they want a realistic number, they should analyze what they’ve done in past years and consider the level of effort they actually want to put into certain channels. For example, JJ already said he wants to scrap the Sidemen Reacts channel.
It’s a typical teacher's reaction though... You can’t handle criticism because you’re used to bossing around 12-year-olds who can’t or are not allowed to talk back. In my work field, being critical and challenging one another is a must.
@@malloryterpening3791 so sad
This conversation is the start of the end of sidemen
Yeah. As much as the "system" helps push out videos, you can kinda tell that they don't really want to be there (which is very fair). That's why I've been slightly turned off from the Sidemen videos in the past year, even though they are still pretty good.
They should just change the card system to a rolling time frame. So say the last 6 months.
That way, you don't get too far ahead, and if you slow down too much you will be able to catch up, but it will be possible.
I agree that there should be a baseline amount of videos in each category so you can't just grind MoreSidemen and Reacts, something like hosting a minimum of 5 main channel vids, being in 150 reacts and like 85% of MoreSidemen vids or something like that.
To simplify things probably just have every type of MoreSidemen vid be worth 2 points, so you'd get like 6 or 8 points for being there and getting 3 or 4 videos out of a studio day or 4 points out of a single anong us session etc.
I'm assuming that the card system would still be in place under this hypothetical points system, like a red deducts 20 points since if you get a red you lose a video which would be worth 20 points.
Maybe there should also be a limit to the amount of videos you can do so the likes of Simon and Josh don't overwork themselves when others should be picking up the slack. Like say you can't do more than 10 main channel vids or nore than 200 reacts or something, this would also prevent you from hogging a ton of points which would lead to there not being enough points available for some others to make their quotas.
Bro pulled out an essay😂😂
@@Jainmanan2207 it's fun to ramble on occasion
@@gabrielhicks8043 fair enough
Idk how Randy is confused by what Simon is saying.. or that Simon thinks it’s nerdy. It makes sense, they should probably do that lol.
that system wont work were you do sidemen sunday 15 times then chill rest of the year. we love it when all the sidemen are involved in a video if not all then at least 6. we wanna see all the mense
That's his point though, no one is gonna do 15 vids. If that happens, then obviously something larger is happening.
Y'all need to start tracking time hours. It's the most accurate way of assigning a weight to each task.
That's a good way to think about a day job, not business where you need to think about effort, cost, ROI, etc.
Weighting different videos to carry more value is the same idea as missing a homework assignment verses missing a test for a classroom. You can always miss one or the other but missing a test is generally more damaging to your overall grade.
These guys bring out the most boring sides of each other
would love to see a Danny interview after his fights and you guys should get specs
I think having guests would definitely relieve the burden of the reacts videos, so you'd only need 2 of the Sidemen + 1 or 2 guests, any number to choose from the usual guests on the main channel
randy the best sideman of the sidemen lol
feel like the easiest way to work this out to me would be to do:
hosting main channel should be 5 points
hosting moresidemen studio should be 3 points
being in a moresidemen gaming should be 2 points
being in sidmen reacts should be 1 point
the main issue with this is the fact that working a main channel video has gotta be a ton more work so you would have to get specific weighting in reality it might make sense to hire someone for a role like this
I think Simon did it well, being in 5 reacts takes only about an hour, but you'd get the same amount of points as a main channel video, which probably over 24 hours to plan in all, depending on the video.
Randolph shut up! let him speak
its a fucking podcast of both of them if you dont want to hear randolph just dont watch
I think sidemen is working because the key for their success and the factor of their longevity is their consistency.
The fact that (almost) All Of Them are In (almost) Every Single one of the main channel Videos and mostly in the others as well.
if they wanna cut back, this point system sems okay-ish, otherwise it is doom
We do like insights to the sidemen. But the podcast should always not be centred around the Sidemen. You can talk about so many other topic. Randy would win the most unprepared podcast co host of all time.
Why dont simon do reacts alone though JJ does it and also simon can make on react with his react channel when he has fre time and he can catch up
Of everyone that’s been in Sidemen videos, Randolph is the only one that I routinely can’t understand (I’m American)
With that system you will encourage people to miss small videos, and just host to get points, and it will fail.
Just my opinion, I don't think they should be trashing each other for who does what, because it's a bad look on everyone.
I don’t think they are thrashing eachother. In the end it is a business which earns a of money and has 10s if not more than a 100 employees, so you want everyone to put in fair amount of work if you’re gonna divide the money equally between 7 people. So there has to be some accountability. As for discussing it in front of everyone, they have always done that and that’s why they connect with their audience so well.
If people don’t pull their weight or slack off in a business they don’t get oh let me sit down with them because I feel bad they get fired. Certain members don’t do enough or contribute enough outside of just being in videos and it’s fair they need to change their systems. They employ a bunch of people and need to keep a machine or system going and they clearly need to change something. The way they are going about it is actually very polite consider how little some of the other sidemen do sometimes.
who cares, they never hold themselves accountable to any system
They just add the stats into a spreadsheet and thats it. lmao
@@BDO031i think they do hold themselves somewhat accountable and that’s why over time we see the shift in their standings on the spreadsheet.
Love Simon's thinking but Randy might be the reason sidemen exit from youtube earlier than expected. Let the sidemen handle their discussions with each other rather than talking about who is doing more and who is doing less in this podcast and find a solution on this.
Its not that deep 😂 you dont know them
Yeah chill the f out bro
@@mrchigz8 okie 🙂
Do you not ask your friends for opinions on things? Weird
@erosion271 it could be, but its not your business.
5:24 is that Kochikame?
I think that’s the Diglett episode from the first season of Pokémon.
Kochkame.. what a throwback
Dont like this comment if you think sidemen gonna last longer than 3 years at this point
nah this podcast is so boring like randolph is just paraphrasing whatever simon is saying and for some reason just keeps on repeating what he says every podcast!
Nonce
Not sure how many more videos we will hear about the sidemen card system 😂
Bros complaining about free content. You don’t have to watch their videos lil bro
Randy is great in really small doses. Too much and it gets jarring
@@Melben69 more content and less talking about content, saves it going stale
All he ever does is complain about making Sidemen videos. Enough already, Simon! You guys should just stop and come back after a few years or something.
Not how RUclips works they would lose years and years of viewer retention
@@TheDSSlayer nah they could take like 6 months off and we’d all be here when they came back. They deserve it. They’re gonna get serious burnout
Them sitting across each other staring into each other’s souls looks like it would be hella awkward
Guys please stop uploading , i feel so so sorry for this podcast , view and content !
Their views are comparable to the fellas, which is regarded as pretty successful, not sure why you feel sorry for them.
Probs being stupid, and I get they’ll want to keep the friendliness, but why the overly complicated scoring system & not contracts for what are essentially their jobs? Or get rid of reacts considering most of them don’t want to do it?
The reacts are literally just 8min ai generated rubbish, it makes bare money because of the quantity and you still can’t find to time to film 😂 15mins max to record one of them and send it to their editor😂😂 😊
Randy down to do reacts is great, but the Sidemen should pay their guests. Period.
If someone can enforce the system it could work, but KSI's in the group so he can get away with doing nothing and no one will do anything cause y'all too soft
7 points main video hosting
4 points 2nd channel hosting
3 points any channel appearance
69 points minimum needed a month.
Nah a main channel video takes many times more effort and time to host than a second channel video. Just think about all the tasks, concepts, bookings, tickets, sets, and what not you gotta go to make it happen, vs a second channel video where you just get them all together and sit down and play a game. Almost no effort
@@ishwantsingh955 But Hosting the video isn't planning it, sometimes someone else will plan it all and someone else hosts it.
@@Icessassin most of the time it’s the same person and in this context i think they mean planning it. Because just hosting doesn’t count as your video, that’s just taking part in it
What has happened to RUclips, it's noy that deep just record videos of people wanna be there let them, you can't force someone to record a video if they don't want to . RUclips is meant to be fun not a job
well it is a job now. they can't just mess around for fun anymore. i guess that's why Ethan says they feel more like "colleagues" to him.
This is a wild take. Even if you've only been following the Sidemen recently, you would still know that they do big productions and pump out an insane amount of content. They can't just "record videos". This is a job to them, they make money from it. They have other ventures, employees, and commitments that they have to keep in mind. Making a schedule and ensuring everyone keeps to it is probably the least that they are doing to make sure that everything runs smoothly. They should have fun while making videos, that's why we like them. But consistently putting out low effort content just for banter is not an option for them anymore
There was a reddit post on MM or Zerkaa (idr) reddit with an idea on an ideal system
Sidemen are getting old. The clock is ticking.
Are we gonna talk about Simon being karen shit
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randolph is hands down the worst part of this podcast lol
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