A Mission to Rescue a Vintage Train Runs Into Serious Problems
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- Опубликовано: 28 янв 2019
- A vintage steam locomotive, driven by a group of enthusiasts, suffers a problem that could end up derailing the train. If they're to avoid disaster, they'll need to fix the problem - and fast.
From the Series: Humongous Moves: Titanic Trains bit.ly/2DJ5Hh3 
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1:19 that was a bit of an exaggeration I think
lil bit
You never saw a train jump in the air and magically rotate 90 degrees? Should watch more Thomas the tank engine.
While the animation is a bit dramatic the risk of derailment isn't and the final picture is not far off the many examples of derailments at speed due to a failed bearing.
Another person educated on trains commented this: Its dangerous becuase the top bearings takes the load of the train as it moves. If it falls out there will be a huge amount of friction from the dragged wheel on the axel aswell as the wheel. Something they call hotboxing.
That compromises the axels strength causing it to split in two and parts flying under the rest of the wheels moving, causing the train to fall over itself.
Not the best copy of what he said but its true.
Train got yeeted
That was the most hilarious 3D dramatization I’ve ever watched!
The question is why the car breaking sound? 1:17
Because.
This is no automobile breaking sound, this is metal on metal!Heard the same thing near my house when a train derailed.It's metal rubbing against metal!
I also noticed this, why not continue with a tire explosion to complete a ridiculous junk? Looks like this clip is part of a documentary, which supposed to be professional all the way. Don't know why they add such unprofessional junk in.
Cesar Vieceli budget issues
@@philipperiopel1911 sounds more like a tire to me.
3:31 Did he edit out his own swear word?
yaynative what the hell?!? 😂😂
I do that all the time
MEEEP
@Yeti Manetti You take that back!
@@thestarlightalchemist7333 Same
Chris Brooks I met a few years back on the 1T57 45th anniversary railtour, it was a pure coincidence as he came up to me and said I was brave being by the window all day. He told me that there was more to it than the programme as unlike what they showed in the programme they apparently ran multiple hotboxes en route and the speed had to be kept at around 20mph max owing to the state they were in. There were multiple leaks with the brake pipes on both locos too which took ages to fix (one loco was in worse state than the other) and all the motion needed to be took off both locos and the cylinders isolated. Owing to paperwork for purchase, movement and customs aswell as arranging transport for when they arrived back in the UK it took around 5-6 weeks to undertake the project.
Good to see those still passionate about steam engines
Finally a video where it is actually brighter here.
This was amazing!
Chris Brooks iv met in person. He told me the whole story of what happened including those which didnt make it into the programme. The white metal falling out was genuinely not scripted, it realy did happen. It was the same where the diesel engine broke down on the steep ascent (the clip of which was just before when this video started). There were also numerous hot axleboxes on the two engines at certain parts of the trip to Izmir and there were more crew members (non camera crew related) with the loco than was shown in the programme too.
*_YEE HAAAW!!! FOUND THAT BEEP THING!!!_*
I remember watching this when it was on TV. I'm glad to say that both those engines are back in Britain now.
@@wiltothecollector4420 I believe its these two:
LMS 8F 45166:
Recovered from Sivas in December 2010 by the Churchill 8F Trust; later sold to the Municipality of Beersheba, Israel in December 2012. Currently displayed at the former Be'er Sheva Turkish Railway Station on the former Railway to Beersheba as Israel Railways No. 70414.
LMS 8F 45170:
Recovered from Sivas in December 2010 by the Churchill 8F Trust. Recently purchased by the Scottish Railway Preservation Society. Recently been named “Sir William McAlpine” in preservation as of October 2018.
Where can I find the hole video of the move?
@@jarrinwoodruff1863 I can't answer that since its been years since I watched it.
Damn... came here expecting a youtube link to the rest of it... 😔
@@AshHill07 so 45166 ended up back where it started?
Now this is the time to use an “ it’s brighter here”
I find it sad that even the Smithsonian channel has to over-dramatize their programs, like everything else.
Is there nowhere to turn, to get decent programing, like that of the 1980's PBS era?
Not so overdramatic, it's physics.
@@mra.prasetio yes, the entire engine will jump 5 feet off of the track and then stop as soon as it hits the ground. It would more likely just plow into the dirt.
man, I was as excited as you all were when you found the piece for the wheel.
These guys are having alot of fun
COOL, so where do I watch the full documentary!??!
added link
@@padthai411 Thanks!
@@area85restorations75 did you find the link because it was deleted
@@padthai411 Nope, I thought the link in the description was it, but nope :(
@@area85restorations75 I'll send it to one of your videos the last one
Ahhh I remember Mike Hoskins from when he was at Swanage in 1979/80.
when i'm older I want to save a steam engine from scrap
Me too!
@@yeo5811 there is lots down at the NRM in York
@@yeo5811 well you’ve got Flying Scotsman, Mallard, City Of Truro, LMS Streamlined Coronation, Tornado(?), there’s lots of steam trains down there
@@Peppercorn60163Tornado they've already been 'saved' though.
@@Peppercorn60163Tornado they are not scrap locos they are awaiting restoration
i think i saw something about this once, very cool
Good videos. I wanted to ask to enable the automatic subtitle generator, if at all possible. I would very much appreciate it
Is a white metal bearing similar to (or the same as) a sintered bronze pillow bearing?
Correct
A faulty bearing isn't going to derail that engine.
They feel they have to add drama to it. Saying a bearing is just going to make annoying noise wouldn't be interesting enough for them. If an entire locomotive could be derailed by it falling out...it wouldn't be designed so that it could just fall out
@@ConquerCollin So true mate.
Thank you expects...
Yeap.. Run it..
Actually it can because it might shake other wheel pieces out of them and the train could derail.
For the bearing to be able to fall out, whatever held the bearing in place must have also fallen off, I presume. If so, where did it go, and how did they solve the problem without that?
Well yes but no. So what most likely happens is the bearing came lose after the area around it had rotted away
It didn't help when they moved the engine with all the drive rods removed. They put the wheels out of balance by thousands of pounds.
If it's in the condition like it's in then they had to be took off as they could have run hot.
They had to due to the condition of the rods would have been more dangerous to run with them on
The locomotive is an William stanier London midland and Scottish railway 8f freight engine
Did they ever find the axel?
This needs to be restored!
Wrong guage.
They have been
@@barrycarlisle8206 no 4ft 8 inches same as UK guage
They need to fully restore that steam train
They did
They have
I got a qustion what a class I want to find it
What show is this from and what episode?
In the UK it's called Monster Moves it was Series 5 - Not sure of the episode but the title was Titanic Trains
1:19
Well that's....one way of explaining it..
This IS what need happen in the whole world
The steams should be back
is that a stanier? It looks like one if not
This episode isnt available in the uk.
This was shown in uk about 8 years ago
added link above
The whole thing is way bizarre. No hand carts with two guys singin De Camptown Ladies?
They are trying to rescue a train.. I wish the extinct locomotives could be restored..
Where were the traction rods?
Her connecting rods are in the tender I believe
Full show please ?
added link above
What's the plan, to make new parts?
Yes she is a running locomotive now
So, this took place in Turkey, fwiw. Too bad the bearing wasn't lubed before this move was started. A bit surprised it isn't a roller bearing.
I'm sure it WAS greased, but the dead loco wasn't able to run its lubricators - any movement involving a dead locomotive being towed is liable to end with a faulty axlebox.
The Stanier 8f's weren't built with roller bearings, unlike many american designs of the 30's and 40's
kyle pennypacker that was a surprisingly common issue with LMS goods engines. The 4F's had it rough, the 7F's had it rough, the Garratts had it especially rough. It was bloody normal
@@Ty-yt3lj the Fowler locos all had horribly undersized axleboxes. That is not a problem which persisted on the Stanier locos, which owed more to Swindon practice.
@@Ty-yt3lj I am aware. midland designs always had axlebox problems
Are those trains unsinkable?
Nah
The animated part is so heavily over-dramatisized that I had to laugh
What's the locomotive class type and who made it?
it looks to be a stanier 8F many of which wee shipped over to europe in ww2 and TCCD snapped them up post-war and named them "churchills" AFAIK some have already been repatriated and are under restoration here in the UK
@@wetcardie66 Oh.
Well, thanks for the info.
I hope this locomotive gets a new life!
@@wetcardie66 Turkey not europe
@@wetcardie66 It indeed is a Stanier 8F. Some of these were left in a.o. Turkye as part of the efforts of WW II. They served the TCDD well for many years until the end of steam there.
@@theextremeanimator4721 it has
Is that an 8F?
@@columnedfox5508 lots were built for the war and exported to the Middle east.
Yea
So what happened to the loco today?
Restored
@@welsh_Witch hayyyy
Where’s the beginning of this story?
added link above
Where are the driving rods?
They are usually removed for moves like this so the pistons remain stationary within their cylinders (no steam to carry lubricant to them)
Tender
Quite over dramatized but still interesting.
Thank goodness some Brits I can *understand* ! LOL
“They may have to abandon the whole expedition.”
...Or they can just move it by truck, or by flatbed once again rather thab by rail on its wheels.
FLNY Mike that’s not the point of the expedition though
You do realise that they would have to source a truck and find a route that they could take and get their before the ship leaves and they would need 4 trucks as they had 2 locos and 2 tenders
It’s not a Churchill it is a stanier 8f British LMS engine
Shooting,models and more that was a common nickname for War department 8F's.
The Turkish called them Churchills
They were called Churchills because Winston Churchill agreed to keep Turkey neutral in the war effort against the Germans in return for 8f motive power.
They found use all over the middle east as a result of similar agreements.
No it’s a black 5
Never mind
What happened to Henry the mls black 5
First of all it’s lms and second of all it’s not a black 5
I believe it's an 8f
@@patrickorr2256 yes
that train doesn't have side rods in it
Can’t they just contact a place that can machine parts and make them make a new part?
so why don’t they just get a new piece and put in there it would be a lot easier
Where Exactly do you "get" the new piece, its a locomotive desing form the 1940's as an effort for the war, i doubt they would find any anywhere, specialy in india since its a british desing
Cheese wouldn’t it be the same as all other steam engines that exist
@@frostythesnowdragon3170 They manufactured those peices specifically for them,
No two engines are identical as belt driven manufacturing wasnt a thing until much later in life
they were all hand built so they need peices that can fit perfectly down to the wire to work properly and efficiently
No it would have been next to impossible to find a new part for two reason No.1 location No.2 time
ALL YOU HAD TO WAS FOLLOW THE DAMB TRAIN CJ
Why not just get another replacement piece from a steel place or something-
Not easy to come by and in such short amount of time
Why are you pulling all those cars with that old train.
elige brown The locomotive is being pulled. It’s not in working order.
Bearing makes training nearly unbearable. Cheers!
A broken bearing doesn't derail a train
And 1:19 is an overexaggeration
Yea it does
why not just build another one of those missing pieces?
because they didn't have the time. they had only 10 days to get both locomotives back to England.
Luke Tropoli why did they only have 10 days
@@frostythesnowdragon3170 ship left in 10 days
That's cool. Funny The Smithsonian had to BLEEP out JESUS at 3:48 5:51 in the video, when he said "Thank Sweet Jesus for that". Political correctness again, WOW we all might be harmed by someone saying the Historical name of Jesus on TV. Thanks for sharing despite that. Kinda makes me wonder what else the Smithsonian leaves out. Best Wishes n Blessings. Keith Noneya
Keith Noneya I don’t think he actually says “Sweet Jesus”.
It’s a clip from a British tv show and the bleep was in the original episode, so he had to have been swearing.
Cut up some coffee cans and use them as bearings
A derail could totally cause the train to jump the rails and tip half the train over. Why does it have to be so over dramatic
Yeah it could actually
They could have just bought a new part
They only had 10 days to get it on the ship to take it back to the uk
Fun fact: NO ONE in the train industry calls a locomotive a "Loco". They're usually referred to as units, motors or engines.
Fun fact: They do call them 'Locos'
This is from someone who works on the railways btw
or steam engines
DEPENDS ON THE RAILROAD OR THE LOCALE OR THE CRAFT!
IT IS NOT UNCOMMON TO HAVE DIFFRENT WORD OR NAMES!
Cancel the project because an axle bearing failed? That is idiotic bull-sh*t overly dramatic stupidity. Any good machine shop could make an identical bearing fairly quickly. I'm wondering if they even greased the bearings before pulling the locomotive thirty miles. If they didn't they are idiots. My guess is that they did not grease the bearings.
Actually they would have had to as they would have missed their ship
The should not have an engine that woren out running
north western thomas It isn’t running, the engine was being pulled along.
@@simonwest9450 I ment that it should be put on a lorry so the accident didn't happen in the first place all the parts are rusty and a lot are missing
@@skarloeyno1510 couldn't get one
So you're telling me that they have numerous other exact copies of this piece across the other axles, and instead of just copying one they are gonna go walk hundreds of miles of track to find the piece which may or may not even be there. It's rusty it could have disintegrated under the pressure. I know they're in a time crunch but put that loco on a siding and go craft a new part.
P.S. I know the show is fake and staged. There is no way they could ever realistically find that part, and if it fell out then it clearly has a problem with is so finding it and slapping it back in won't be that easy. I'm getting sick of these fake-ass shows by an otherwise reputable source.
Walk a few miles.
or
Take out another bearing half and try to find somewhere which happens to have the correct metal and is willing to make a one-off.
Mmm.
@@Gordanovich02 It's not any special metal and they don't have to find somewhere to make a one off. They are restorers! Furthermore if the piece came out then it obviously has something wrong with it. What happened here are the early stages of a hot box, and in most cases the bad bearing was destroyed under the heat and pressure thus causing the issue in the first place.
Yeah no issue, just go into the local town, I'm sure that they will have a foundry that will quickly be able to cast them a new shell, without a pattern, and as their in the ass end of nowhere in turkey, I'm sure that they will have some white metal lying around. The axle boxes and journals on these are mechanically lubricated, which since the thing had been left to rust for decades would more then likely not be operational, in addition, the engines were used in till they wore out, so the thing was knackered to begin with. The shells are held in with steel screws, not unreasonable to think they could fail through rusting and the shell fall out. One of these men had already restored a Turkish 8F to traffic, It was based at the Gloustershire and Warwickshire railway if memory serves.
@@samwhite1995 Okay first of all, I never said they had to do the fabrication ON SITE. I said they could leave the loco on the siding and come back to it later.
@@samwhite1995 Furthermore, the chances are that if the piece fell out it would be fucked up beyond use. They should make a new one anyways. Also I find it incredibly convenient that the camera crew was not present when that guy found the missing piece. You're telling me this whole production only had a single camera crew? Bullshit.
That train need paint
Hi