The Truth Behind Why Cataclysm is So Rushed
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- Cataclysm, the new expansion of Classic WoW is here and the prepatch released about a week ago, however, it experienced a very rocky start with a tons of bugs and a rushed Beta test. Today we're gonna explore the reasons why and try to see what Blizzard might be thinking about when they're releasing content this fast.
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I know it's impossible, but i would love to see the "forgotten raid" in the underwater section.. it felt like it missed one raid cata
I got a feeling it was supposed to come out in Firelands patch (War of the Elements?). FL was a pretty small/short raid esp in comparison to all the raid content in 4.0 or even say Ulduar.
Idk, I think the short timeline is going to be a trainwreck. There's so much good content here, and they're going to fly through it with a patch every 2-3 months and be done by next spring. It's a huge disappointment to see, in my opinion, ine of the best expansions get this treatment. If it wasn't for how rushed and low quality dragon soul was, it would've easily been in the top 5 expansions. Bastion of Twilight, Blackwing's Descent, Firelands, 3 incredible raiding experiences! Throne of the four winds was...ok, kinda short, but fun. The dungeons were the real shining star for cata, they actually required people to be good at their class and use their abilities. I look forward to hard heroics again!
I still stand by Wrath being the best expansion, because I think it was and even in Classic it was the most anticipated Expansion. Cata is where retail was born, while someone in the comments noted it is where Conent got hard, really a lot of H LK was the start of wow getting hard.
@@concernedcitizen2031 anyone who says Cata was retail, is delusional and trying to hate on the expansion but cant think of anything logical to hate so they cry "retail" which most empty headed wow players will just nod in agreement because its fashionable to hate retail. Legion and beyond is where the modern wow was created, with every subsequent expansion essentially remaking the Legion model with very poor results simply because of how well Legion was received as a whole. Cata is more classic than modern, it still holds onto the old ideology of classic with some minor tweaks but modern it is not. Stop mindlessly hating.
@@concernedcitizen2031 after playing wrath classic.....wrath is boring af. Like atrocious.
they are absolutely overcorrecting. people are complaining about the expansions being too long and blizzard is taking it too literally. what people are complaining about is the last patch being out for a fucking year. so their answer? make all the phases shorter! cuz that's the answer.
@@concernedcitizen2031wrath is a trash expansion that is beyond boring. Stop coping yall
I haven't seen this many players online in a good while. Lots of levelers chillin too
My guild is just chilling, doing old content, digging digging and digging.. its actually nice! Being able to fly around the old world is great and I've revisited so many zones I've not touched in years.. feels like WoW
knowing that it will be "short" expansion, maybe brought a lot of players back?
@@SuperFronky that makes no sense
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I played Cata back in the day. Its better than Wrath.
I hope they adjust the length of Cata. It's a decent xpac. Lots of people online. I was thinking 12-16 months. Right now I think it's on a 9 month schedule atm. Also I think vanilla-cata/mop repeated will always be successful. Specifically tbc-cata/mop. Tbh I never cared for vanilla that much. Really enjoy TBC though. Hope we get TBC realms again soon as well.
its on 12 months schedule at least.
Man I've been getting nostalgic about Tbc. I just want to play casually. It's such a cozy expansion
It's not even a pre-patch cause they completely skipped the elemental rifts event, to me the pre-patch was supposed to be that
Don’t like it? Don’t play it.
I don't think them not liking Cata is the point being made here.
I started playing because they are about to release cataclysm, now I see they rush this expansion... I already regret paying and preparing for the expansion....
What I learned from this whole classic journey is that TBC, even with all the problems that it had, still blows everything else out of the water. With just a few very minor tweaks it would literally be the perfect expansion.
I'm unsure as to what content drought Cataclysm has that WOTLK didn't also have? WOTLK was raid logging from week 3
The job vacancy tweets need to be ratioed with tales of mass layoffs right after big projects
My entire guild carried over from WOTLK to Cata, except for one or two. I think people would give it a shot if Blizzard put the care in, but it doesn't seem like they intend to, which will end up affecting the player base for this xpac later.
some of us ONLY play because of our homies in the guild, not cause blizzard is doing anything right. Me? Im waiting for the love of my life....LEGION CLASSIC. I shall relive the best xpack in a worse version than before!
There is literally over 30k players in my server right now playing all day , Cata is doing just fine
give it 2 weeks and they're all gone
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The polish we used to see in the old days is gone. I wonder how much is left in the tank for this game. I guess we should just get excited about next product and then consume next product and get excited for the next. Welcome to the cult of BETTERFASTERCHEAPER. We're paying to beta test their game for them.
Everyone talked about wotlk being the bigest expansion but by the relese it went to okaish not supreme good , retention was still highest in BC
"there has been a clear effort to not make retail and classic conflict" 💀 bruh they made sod p3 release 2-3 weeks before cata prepatch and that is 1 week before mop remix in retail. They clearly haven't cared about that since naxx40 and shadowlands launch like 3 weeks apart
Haha so many cata haters in the comments. Cata is going to have more longevity than wrath. It’s a combo of classic with some retail elements, going to grab the 2024 wow player very well. Most of you just talk shit about cata because it’s cool to do so; and most never even played it.
They hate it because someone told them to do so and they are rushing it because we will going to catch up to retail or will be able to transfer there probably. This is the great reset in WoW people like asmongold talk about prolly. Cata is literally peak WoW where playing the game actually feels nice with all these QoL changes and only 40 year old balding, slow reddit dads doesn't agree with this who treat WoTLK like its their teen girlfriend on a toxic relationship or something.
I agree, I wasn’t too hyped for Cata but then I started playing it and I think it’s going to be dope having a great PVP expansion that doesn’t feel like a chore to level in.
I’m really enjoying how it feels like a nice balance between Retail and Classic. I think the problem is Cata was ahead of its time and is more suited for WoW players of today than the players of Original Cata
The best part is that MoP won’t be too far after so that’s 2 great PVP Expansions back to back. Cata Hype, Cata Hype!
I wasn't happy to play it again either but I don't understand why they're rushing it so much.
It’s always a anime profile pic that talks shit also. They have level 60 legacy realms and still can’t be happy. Have to come and trash talk cata… bro go do ur Naxx for the 800th time
I also was luke warm on Cata but pre patch has been a lot of fun. Updated music is great, new zones feel good, leveling pacing is nice, there's just lots of new fun stuff to do if you like leveling alts. I'm surprised to enjoy revamped Azeroth this much and I'm looking forward to post 80 content.
They should do a fresh restart of clasic and then 5bc and then wrath.
I think the optimal strategy is to have a continuous “seasonal” vanilla to tbc to wotlk realm that allows you to remove your characters into an associated era realm for each.
@@brucefly3612 I mean… that’s what I said. They should have era servers for the classic versions of the game and have a separate looping server that you can process though and migrate off of to an era server….
@@brucefly3612 no worries :)
I think cata is a fundamentally different game and appeals to different people. If you like MMORPGs… you probably aren’t a fan of Cata… but both should be available if there is a market. And that means that classic servers should be maintained if the demand is there
No just give us era, roll alts or reroll
Everyone would roll warriors this time around
Cata as an expansion was well liked what wasn't liked was the dungeon difficulty and the content drought.
I might have tried Cataclysm since I didn’t start playing wow until two years ago. But I’m more interested in the MOP remix.
I feel the timeline from Firelands to Dragonsoul seems too short, especially if Firelands releases at the end of October and Dragonsoul launches in early January. That could be as few as 10 or 11 weeks of Firelands. That's not a lot of time to get multiple legendary staffs for a raid. I'm really hoping we get a little longer time in Firelands before Dragonsoul drops.
It's plenty of time, on Pservers we were completeting atleast 2 staffs per raid team with additional staffs in 10m (which is faster for certain stages so we will likely see players who want teh staff move between difficulities to collect diffrent parts) alt raids.
You will complete atleast 2 staffs 100% before DS that i can assure u and equally many before MoP launches. That is more then enough staffs, not everyone is meant to have legendarys.
Kinda fucked because it takes like 3 months almost to make the staff
They will be accelerated
@@Slashresto No one cares about Pservers cause it isn't actual blizzard servers and it's known Pservers adjust things around to their liking.
@@Orly90 Yes they do, and blizzard doesnt? Do u truly belive that Classic was "#nochanges" ? If u do ur just dumb.
You can never recreate the old era perfectly BUT pservers has realised that the community doesnt actually want that anymore after MANY servers like warmane and Nostalrious which were blizzlike.
Most Pservers theese days add buffs to content in various forms, some do it more extreme then others and add mechanics all together and some just boost the numbers while some just add "dampens" (negative zone buffs, basicly imagine the ICC buff but in the oposite direction) that fade over time.
This is actually how most Cata servers has been done.
So your 100% right that Pservers do make changes to their liking BECAUSE their audience wants it. Blizzard will realise that eventually aswell that old content needs buffs to be entertaining long time.
i kinda wished they'd prolong cata launch until everything is fixed lmao.
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They've had an opportunity to implement horizontal progression since 2019
There was also a bug that allowed you to farm VoA for a couple of days.
talk about the premium cata boost bricking everyones toons by making their professions bug out at 0/0 if you had profs prior to the boost...... cant train them/cant level them and cant unlearn them
Dude are you kidding me. If I don’t get to experience shaman Druid and dk in PvP max gear I’m going to be pissed.
I really love Cata and MoP playstyles so hoping that sustains in some official version
If classic goes past this rushed Cata… I think I’m done
With Mop : Remkix coming, a classic MoP would be toot soon, my bet is after CATA we will finally get the reset and start vanilla over . Vanilla-CATA
Cata was by far my favorite expansion to date. Can't wait to get back in, a decade after, and find myself disappointed and depressed because i can't bring back the good old days. Really, i can't wait 🥲
A single server would be atrocious. To be truthful Azeroth is not big enough for just one server. The sheer amount resource farming, and mobs for quests will be camped so heavily that it would almost be impossible to do. Respawn timers could be tweaked yes, but if mobs respawn too fast then players can get overwhelmed. No, it is better to have to many servers that too little. I doubt they'd add the shared mobs/nodes anytime soon as it's "not part of the experience". So one big server just won't work. Take Albion for example. It's a bloody nightmare to get anything done with their single server only.
there would obviously be layers still, please think before typing next time
WoW became a high quality private server I always thought they are stupid to not exploit what worked for pservers
Releasing Era could also drag peopple away from classic alone and splitting up eventually those Era servers die out
One thing thats interested me is the mop remix. As currently the classic servers are a mess and the community is insufferable to deal with. I cannot wait to try mop remix and get some cool looking mounts and the tusk shoulders in a relax matter
lol same dude
I just got my tusk shoulders and grinder it litterally with no luck for 3 years lol once a week and finally dropped them 2 weeks ago I know the feel and hope for relaxation in grinding these out moving forward
I feel pretty differently about the state of "Classic" in general. They want to consolidate their players as much as possible. I believe they said this in their earnings call, so they aren't going to ever have permanent versions of TBC or Wrath servers.
I'm kinda fed up with the super toxic min/max 10 man princess runs/incursions culture that's developed in SoD, so I've been playing Cata pre-patch and I think it's great... people just need to give it a chance. The bugs are being overblown... there was some annoying stuff the first few days but it's pretty much all fixed now.
I think and hope they just keep pumping out content for Classic Era, expansion through expansion, until Classic catches up with retail... maybe they can have them both catch up by the end of the Worldsoul Saga (maybe... that might be too fast though).
There's really no reason to sit on content that's already been developed and gradually lose players over time, so keeping the content cadence fast and maybe upping the droprates on some loot will just highlight the good things and pass-over the bad things about most WoW expansions. Most of the bad ones were bad because of content droughts and boring gear grinds.. two very easily avoidable things on the Era Servers.
They still didn't convert my emblems on my warrior
I still have 2 emblems of triumph on my Lock.
The only reason they won't bring tbc and wotlk era realms is because it fragments the already overly fragmented player base. If they Reset the cycle every 5 years or so it will bring revenue the next cycle of classic if that ever happens
Cata > Wrath
Actually i think, they just want to “rise” new players up from classic, tbc, Wotlk…etc till the retail version of the game. Main problem is, when classic player log DF, they are completely lost, but if you teach them with little steps that each of these expansion makes, they will possibly play it.
its like convincing autists who just want to safespace supermario64 over and over to play eve online, or getting kindergardeners to take a college class. and classic players know it.
because cata will have very few players
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Cataclysm is my favourite expansion and i returned to WoW just to play cata again. But after leveling two or three characters i'm probably going to drop the game completely again (as i did after legion) and keep playing FF XIV as my main MMO.
Everytime I hear "This prepatch has been the one with the most bugs ever" I can't stop thinking about when I lost 2 characters, COMPLETELY during WoD's prepatch (Blizzard gave them back to me 2 weeks after) or during Dragonflight's prepatch that every single time I relog, my entire UI and entire spells/talents got reseted, over and over and over for like 3 days lol... So it makes me think... Looks like there's not a lot of people that played those Prepatches or maybe they just forgot...
Also, Prepatch has a much more, what am I saying? VASTLY more active players than Wrath lol...
classic player's copium as if classic era, hc, bc, wotlk, and cata arent 99% dead after the day 1 streamer server rush
They need to rush straight to Legion and then stop classic all together
"scratch the surface" then lists all the major bugs.
I know there wass a lot of drop off in population then, but we have to remember that during that time Iraq War was going on and then the US jumped into Afgan war. Not saying that is the cause, but my self and 11 battles of mine played WoW and had to stop due to the 12 month tour. Now were there others we meet in the sand box that played and had to stop. yes, including family and everyone getting back up from the 2008-2009 recession. If we have to look at everything then just content.
Tbc and wotlk is the definition of wow! Only 2 expansions that I Enjoy, to some extent cata is alright but after that I just quit wow
I actually hate that they are shortening this expansion in just 8 months. Such a selfish decision. I wouldn't mind them cutting away 8 months from the cata original timeline a slight tune but absolutely not make a whole expansion within 8 months which is even shorter than SOM Classic like wtf. I honestly don't even want to play it anymore for how much respect I lost on this decision.
"As of today all the major bugs are fixed" YOU LOST ME THERE BUDDY.
I still have 2 Emblems of Triumph on my Lock lol.
I tried playing cata beta, but hunter was unplayable
Hope for a good Classic Plus😊❤
It's just classic now. Arenas are the same 100 people after 2 weeks. Raids are all gdkp. Just buy your way into a random play group
I'm still baffled that they have abandoned TBC and soon WotLK so easily. All they are doing is creating the incentive for players to go back to private servers.
Just give us a new progression server of the original trilogy.
I've been waiting for this for so long, the private server scene has been hurting lately plus private servers are a better experience for old expansions anyway.
just let it go man stop being stuck in a time loop
i get people are concerned because of the pre patch, but nearly every prepatch in wow’s history has been a mess. It will get ironed out probably a day or two after cata releases
I will have to admit I have been pretty vocal with my friends and guildies about my lack of interest in cata classic.
However after giving it a shot in the prepatch I will say I'm more optimistic about it than I was before. I do have certain hang ups still but I'm willing to give it a chance
TBH after playing tons of SoD and wishing they would add this or tweak that... I'm loving Cataclysm. The overhaul of the open world is kinda what people wanted out of SoD anyway, and most of the rune abilities that people love are also available in Cata (plus build into talent trees where they make more sense). I don't know if I'm gonna go back to SoD or not for the next phase.
cata pre pach is fan for me
Number one the last raid tier drops in8 months dragon soul went for a year almost, we will prolly have 3-6 months if not more of dragon soul
none want to play that crappy phase
@@sdruba90pvp expansion
I think Cata will be the end of this classic ride. It is obvious that SoM is the "future" of this game in a full classic+ in a couple years. They want us all playing retail. Retail is the big money maker for them. I like the sped up process but the beta testing/bug mess is unacceptable.
If SoD is the future I think I'm gonna pass on that. We'll see what they cook up with phase 4 but not looking good atm
Mate its 99.999% confirmed theyre releasing MoP after cata lol, it is way too obvious and they’ve been dropping hints left n right. SoD is an abomination of a game.
ur "truth behind" is not even close
there have to be a timeplan behind everything else.
wotlk runs like 2 years but cata just for 1 year? i would bet and say theywanna do a combination with the end of season of discovery and with the end of cata classic and go a new path with classic plus.
i realy think they will go for something like a classic gameplay/elements but go with a fullprice expansion.
they will end everything with the classic era and try to combine the playerbase again.
everyone of us realy like the classic world from vanilla till wotlk but we disagree with the retail mechanics. we all would love to get new fresh designed content and i bet we will get the announcement next year for an expension
Good vide, but I personally don't think there will be a MoP Classic. I believe they'll eventually end up migrating to retail and doing the MoP Remix thing and so one with other expansions.
Shit take
Mop remix isn't mop, it's just the same skins as mop.
If blizz would cater to pvpers just one time for a permanent cata/mop/wod without chores and pve gear in pvp then wow will be saved
Cata always suffers from Blizzard's negligence and lack of allocated resources.
Cata is a much better WotLK in every way, except it had 1 fewer raid tiers and now proper equivalent to 10 Man Normal Raid difficulty, sadly people will never appreciate it seems.
Some people liked having different 10 and 25
We want tbc!
u didnt mention where blizz decided to skip the 5 weeks of cata pre patch so rip to unattainable transmog and toys also rip to the invasions
Yeah they really fucked over pre patch, No *PRE PATCH* event, no nothing.. just new changes, which every expansion brings.. and they couldn't even be bothered to bring in void storage
cry more
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Why would need void storage when we got collection tab?@@reddblueblur
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wtf how can people not like cata this seems so bad ass
Idk why people think cata was a bad expansion. Yes, it had content draught, so did wotlk & mop infact had the biggest draught with siege of orgrimmar. I dont understand why they would rush it like this. IF it was WOD, then yes, I can for sure understand. Coz wod was beyond, if not the worst expansion ever.
They want to feed us into retail.. I was really hoping for a holly longsale TLP like eq classic
cata is a good xpac for pvp/world pvp
define world pvp
They’re rushing Cata. Wdym longevity? This is a quick trial run so that they can actually test the “you think you do” - most people aren’t excited but they’ll try it out.
You are wrong completely. You don’t even know that most people aren’t excited. You are talking out your brown hole
Not as good as vanilla/tbc, but should be decent too.
Classic isnt gonna reflect anything about the original releases. I loved wotlk in 2009, but wotlk classic was pure garbage. I absolutely hated it, the minmax gdkp meta where youre expected to use €50+ worth of gold in a gdkp is just massively shitty. I played wotlk on private servers for years, knowing i.e. naxxramas 10+25 inside out, but being a couple weeks late with lvling, i was so behind on gear that getting pugs was impossible without splurging gold on shitty gear that'll be easily replaced soon anyway.
Will cata be different? Idk, but 10 man dropping the same items as 25 man makes it easier for smaller guilds to thrive, and the SoD community i found is going cata 10 man groups, so i certainly hope my personal experience will be (even though im currently only lvl 83 hehe)
I mean I’ve leveled 1-80 on cata pre patch. Gotta say it’s very fucking stale. Did it with no heirlooms on a undead warrior and it was just bland. If I wanted to level these zones I’d just do it on retail. Didn’t need to kill the one good thing about classic which was the map. I got 55 and just dungeon cleaved cos the last 5 level zones suck ass
how many hours played
they could have atleast kept firelands for 1-2 months longer and shorten dragonsoul.
everything else is fine. cata was great
Rushing through Cata, MoP, WoD, Legion - This should end with the World Soul trilogy, they will merge Classic and Retail here and maybe head into WoW 2 or Classic+ reset.
What the actual fuck sooo I can enjoy my favourite expansion for WOW for only 8 months what's the point?
I think us OG players only really wanted vanilla and the first two expansions. Some want Mists and another run of Legion but Cata wasn't well received. I stopped playing awhile back anyways and would only maybe come back for SoD cause my cousin wants me to.
Classic hardcore> wrath> cata
7:00 Advertising low end jobs while letting go the main dev staff of the various projects that have the skills and background and familiarity with the systems. How can that possible go wrong? Insert sarcasm here.
Because there's not much to do in the game after max level and your dungeon grind. It's a raid log game right off the bat. Boss's are very easy in normal mode.
Pvp expansion.
The pvers keep saying "you can't have the best expansions because they're not "classic"."
Let them eat vanilla
That's what wow always was beside Vanilla. You raid, you log out and wait a week
Cata is for sure the birth of retail wow. I think it will attract a ton of players from retail that missed most of the content, also the beginning of when the games difficulty had a fairly large jump, heroic cars was bounds harder than heroic icc. I’m pretty excited about getting back into it and came back to classic for it. Will also likely put retail on the back burner where it’s been the verse with wotlk/dragon flight.
Honestly they should stretch these expansions out, but also make a few changes, things like a mythic plus mode, mythic raid difficulty among other things would be well received at this point as the no changes crowd is too busy playing sod lmao
Are they? Most of the no changes people I know can't stand SoD. I'm #minorchanges and SoD is very disappointing especially in phase 3. Too many changes without proper execution imo.
imo, legion was the birth of retail wow. There was no gameplay system or whatever in cata/mop or wod. Cata feels like an enhanced wotlk, better version with talents and better raids.
that first sentence is all you need to know that your opinion is bourne not of logic and facts but emotional hatred.
@@deorwynn3597 Can kind of do a breif search on who is streaming and posting videos on SOD currently, and basically every single one of them was a firm believer of no changes when Classic started and was announced. I'm confident it tracks. A very limited amount went HC but most chose SoD.
@@Blacknotpanther I disagree you can feel the difference in dungeons and raids. Cata feels far closer to retail than it does WoTLK. Big difference is how much Wrath pushes you into the world where they gave that up Cata and later except for certain circumstances. Even MoP feels closer to wrath than Cata does.
bro just yappin, easiest dislike unlucky
They're speedrunning Cata because they know the appetite isn't there. Given the huge popularity of Classic in general, once Wrath released they started working on Cata. Since then surveys have told them that people are no where near as interested in Cata as the previous versions. So they want to get it over with.
It's pretty much as you said, also, people want to play Mist more than Cataclysm.
Just need a fresh server
I’m actually so excited for cata man even being a diehard no changes vanilla guy. I had great times back then lol. Just wait til we step in those hard dungeons and raids again. Totally immersive and sweet. I remember the factions too, I loved it all except for LFR. Also a lot of us are wanting an Era BC and even Wrath server one day. Many players would play those versions of the game, especially if they release them fresh with no changes.
man you minmax spergs are too much lol im here just wanting to play tbc
Classic for me ended after litch king.
It is about time they teased some info about SoD P4. :)
Every expansion’s last phase went on too long. They were developing the next expansion. WotLK Classic ICC has gone on too long also. RS doesn’t count.
I hope they don’t rush mop
Cata is a GOOD expansion, Im excited to play it. But theyre rushing MoP.
Honestly i think your a bit biased and take your own Feeling into everything Wotlk was realy full there are tons of People playing Wotlk and now in Cata Pre Patch the Citys are so over fluted with People i mean tausends are Flying and running around its crazy .. I think Cata will be a Success and Mop to.. It would realy help if those Expensions are a Succees so Blizzard sees what works and what doesnt ..
You are talking out of the side of your neck. You are hoping it goes fast so you can play your furry panda.
1:00 - list of bugs. Well, same really happened with every release of WoW. It's not unique to Cataclysm.
3:00 - you're not actually counting the duration of DS. You didn't add extra 3 months to the duration.
3:50 - It was really just last 2 bosses. Rest of T13 was actually pretty good.
ICC lasted 12 months - no one bat an eye.
DS lasted 13 months - suddenly the worst thing ever.
4:30 - for a lot of people, my friends included, they quit during Cataclysm not because the game was bad, but because they didn't know the lore. They played it only because of WC3 and wanted to see it from a different angle. If WC3 had DW patch, Cataclysm would be considered "part of classic":. So, might even argue that WoW Wrath/TBC didn't actually capture the interest of most players.
Just sayin'
So many people love this expansion to death. And people keep saying most people don’t like cata. But that’s absolute shit. People talking right out of their asses here.
The Classic dev team and Aggrend suck
Not really, they know there is no interest for playing Cataclysm, it's the same in private servers, it's one of the least played expansions, even Mist was more popular, people mainly want to play Wrath/vanilla and maybe Mist, that's about it, don't care for the other expansions, Legion is good but too buggy on private servers and very far ahead.
@@brucefly3612 trust me im a private server dev and i can honestly say the only thing thats impressive of the classic team is that they release their content[ashenvale lol] with a dev team of aggrend[wotlk c++ copier extraordinaire] and maybe a sql/lua intern.
Everyone is truly waiting for MOP.
Your face was rushed.
Perfect change! Thanks blizzard. Keep doing this please
I really hope for MoP I wanna play it 1+ year :)
Cata was the best xpac and no one even remembers
bro all the obvious data clearly shows activision cata is garbage
@@WoWUndad you just lookin at graphs to see the whole picture. Problem wasn't cata it was everything following it.
@@WoWUndad Data shows that it had almost most players in entire WoW history. And even most in it's peak.
@@WoWUndadwotlk was garbage fool
honestly fk blizzard