I feel very lucky to have the open access we have here in Scotland. That said one local estate took the Mickley & erected locked gates during the first lockdown. Quick chat with the access officer at the council & access was restored.
So much land over there and so few people. Walkers can kind their quiet bits as can MTBers. One solution is to open up more trails and access, there is not enough. We need more trails. Also an idea is something like Snowdon is to limit access to certain times BUT also give times when it is MTB only.
What you don’t have in Scotland though is any byways for off-roaders to take motorised vehicles on. Though people obviously disagree with whether that should be allowed. There’s also not a definitive map of paths, which I always feel makes navigation a bit unclear and makes routes a bit vulnerable to being closed.
Well done for producing this Guy. I used to regularly visit the Cav Pav, often with up to 10 other riders each spending up to £10 per visit. Since they stopped us even pushing our bikes across the bridge to access the Storiths road I haven't been in and have been actively trying to discourage others from spending their money there.
Just more toffs and their tax dodging tax breaks, they don't care about local businesses or the general public, it's about how much they can put in their trough.
@@thebrowns5337 The toffs because they are usually really local are often helping to maintain the bridle ways. Walkers & cyclists often arrive in the area by car & do little in way of maintenance.
This country's access rights (or rather, lack of) are based upon hundreds of years of earls, viscounts and lords owning great swathes of this beautiful place and having the right to tell everyone on it what to do. We are nothing more than medieval peasants to them, and we can ride our bikes somewhere else. Pah! ...As English people, we are too compliant. We need some revolt in us like the French, or the Scots. Imagine if a million people took their bikes and hiking boots to places across the country we're told we're not allowed to go, all in the same day. That'd prove a point.
You simply do not have enough cyclists to gather 1.000.000 of them. Suppose you have 50 million people who have access. A decent bike for all of them? That is a pipe dream. Those public displays of social unrest that was the start of the Dutch cycling. That was a minority of just 20.000 people at max. The fact the Dutch own 1.3 bicycles PER CAPITA makes your pipe dream even more ridiculous. The only way is to either install a revolution, like the French did, or go through the biased courts in England. You haven't even got a rubbish cycling infrastructure and a parliament that doesn't play ball where environment is concerned. Your public beaches are a mess, your rivers are getting more polluted by the SECOND. Your country is a mess and you voted out. That was the ultimate mistake... You are well on your way to become a US state...
I mean I know you think you have it bad, but to me it is crazy that you have this much access. Here in the States there are huge swaths of land that are just posted no tress passing. It is annoying to me that these empty areas are out of bounds. sad stuff.
Land access in England makes me sad. I'm in the South West where there is so much restricted moorland and woodland. We should all be encouraged to be spending more time enjoying our countryside, not told - this belongs to me, you can't be here. But I agree with Guy, we must be responsible.
I don’t follow rules in the Peak District. It’s big enough for all of us. If these “Lords” want to show me a receipt for the land they claim to own I may adapt my behaviour.
Fantastic efforts guys stay safe and sound mate 😊❤🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧we should never be denied access to any track,,, its our rights as tax payers and English men.... I wouldn't let it stop me,,,, they drive vehicles on them🤬🤬🤬🤬⛔
Farmers are at it too, taking down bridleway signs cutting down trees across tracks etc etc . It’s frustrating when your out with a map making up your own routes . Don’t suppose all the rural theft that goes off helps our cause. We should all keep our eyes peeled for thieves and have a helpline number to call or something? Be the eyes and ears against rural crime .
Thanks for making this and CyclingUK for pursuing the issue. it’s a joke only having that 1 nightmare bridleway and having to deal with the level of car traffic that the estate generates.
Totally agree that more access to the countryside would be great. Problem for me is shared use. This very video highlights the potential problem. I walk and cycle and do find it annoying when cyclist come belting past. Most cyclist are considerate but we're judged on the behaviour of the few who ride as though they're in a race.
I used to work for the Duke of Devonshire albeit at his Chatsworth estate. The Duke is FAR from popular amongst his employees. The old Duke was respected by nearly everyone but when he died and "stoker" took over there was a mass exodus of employees. He is just a bussinessman and only cares about getting as much money as possible and paying as little tax as he can.
Looks like some prime gravel routes around the estate. This kind of campaigning and pressure from groups like cycling UK will hopefully make a difference!
So glad cycling UK is helping you get the message out there.... the UK has such potential for cycling ... just look at the canal tow paths for good family fun cycling... yet its all so disjointed... I wish I knew how to get things changed because one thing is for sure .... cycling bring huge economic benefits to a lot of places.... don't believe me... just look at Majorca. Man have they got it taped.
There's far too little off road routes for cyclists in this country; none of it makes sense, ride on a bridleway, and for some reason it becomes a footpath. Compared to other countries, we really are severely restricted. I watch outdoor videos, and the foreign ones are an eye opener; for example they can park up and camp on the seafront - and it's perfectly legal. We're miles behind, and the powers that be seem to want to keep it like that.
What ive noticed is that too much land in UK is owned by someone, it boggles my mind why do i have to pay to go to forest to ride my MTB. In most european countries you just park up whenever and off you go.
Hi there, very nice area actually. My feeling is that with the E-MTB getting more and more popular (because upslopes more easy…), there are more and more riders, dashing down the paths, paths to share with hikers. And hikers doesn’t mix very well with bikers. My fear is to see more and more areas restricted to hikers only. The future will tell.
If anything, I’ve noticed access getting worse lately, compared to the 90s when it was much more easy going. I see huge swathes of the countryside being cordoned off especially in favour blood”sports.” If the pandemic and the current star of health in the country has indicated anything, it is that these open spaces have to be accessible, the tax going in to the coffers from MTB’s and eMTB’s has to account for something, and it will far outreach tax from hunting (much of which isn’t even getting declared). I see plenty of politicians these days swanning around on bikes but they only seem interested in towns and cities.
I ride horses and ride bikes, think of those bridleways, and never mind bikes think of two horses trying to get past, landowners, have for years been narrowing tracks, gates that cant be opened, not making it actually impossible, bu they want you to give up and go elsewhere, the anti access isnt just aimed at bikers, but everyone who enjoys access, I really think a united front or ramblers, bikers, riders etc would carry more weight, as for that estate, lets all remember if the seizure of assets obtained through crime went back a few hundred years none of these places would be in private ownership !!
People with sooo much money always want to own everything. At the end of the day, no one absolutely no one owns anything, and how these ultra rich can sleep at night knowing that there’s people living on the streets is beyond me. That tickled me, prime shooting land, you can shoot and kill things and blast things to bits but you can’t ride ya bike. Sod em ride it anyway.
I'm with you. I don't understand the restrictions of bikes on certain trails. Mountain bikes aren't destructive to the land and it's no different than foot travel. I think that some people see mountain bikes as dirt bike and there needs to be more awareness to it.
They don't want cyclists on their land, that's how I read the situation. By leaving the old bridleway as a muddy lumpy track they probably hope to dissuade riders from using it, and the same no doubt goes for the private road notices all over the place too. They'll do only as much as they need to for the tax breaks. Mind you, the local moorland bridleway tracks up near Grosmont are quite similar to that and I wouldn't really want them to be paved, I just don't ride them in the winter to avoid damaging them and getting plastered / drenched in the process.
Great video. Thanks for posting this and pointing out some of the inconsistencies in access rights. We have similar issues in Northumberland, including some land-rover tracks that one is not even allowed to walk along!
@@davecooper3238 The cost of making and maintaining such tracks was not an issue when the landowner in question laid hogging landrover tracks on long established single track bridleways across the common. I would be interested to know what your status is and whether you have an interest in arguing for the rights of landowners? My position is that with power comes responsibility (thanks Stan Lee) and ownership of land does not confer the right to restrict access to that land unreasonably. The damage that would be done by responsible use of such tracks by cyclists and walkers would be negligible.
Glad you made this guy . Started off at grassington what took me over barden Moore. Only to be told close to the end to get off my bike . It was open to cyclist many years ago . And such a beautiful ride over barden moore
Cycling UK and British Horse should have combined to demand access on trackways within Open Access land. They've had 22 years to organise this but then neither are effective at Access, it's not their core function, unlike with the Ramblers.
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Highly reccomend Nick Hayes - The Book of Trespass: Crossing the Lines that Divide Us, for anyone who is interested in access & as he puts it The Cult of Exclusion.
Thanks for video,it just drives me nuts all these gates that stop you getting through ,we have these stupid metal gates all over the place out here in Prestbury ,had to lift my bike over twice last week .
Nice Kes. Over the last 20 years he's not opened any more routes over Barden and there has been more damage and erosion on the drop into Linton from 4x4 climate change and lack of good repair work- some increased routes would help mitigate and that "moghul" field is hell now on the official bridle route back to BA, churned up from the cattle increased rain and no supporting repairs- great work and keep doing these great videos with cycling uk. #disappearing bridleway deadline
Access in England is so weird. I found a few closed off footpaths near me, that people have illegally obstructed, except they were understandably little used because the things just dead end without any connections, so without trespassing all you can do is an out and back and it goes no where interesting. The council also just shut a path after national rail replaced a pedestrian bridge and didn’t renew a connection to the far side of the railway, and they could do that cos the path wasn’t on the definitive map, despite existing for more than 100 years. Whole thing annoyed me so much I joined the ramblers 😂.
Funny, was riding the National Cycle Network near me on my gravel bike, just along the side of the Kennet and Avon Canal near reading and apart from it being in a terrible state, narrow and near unusable during the day due to volumes of people it also appears to go on and off footpaths (even when stating it’s the NCN 4). Now maybe this was me getting a bit lost in the dark but I stayed next to the river and followed the signs but it got me thinking back to when I crossed France on a eurovelo route and how different the experience was. Also huge number of routes around here that bridleways start and stop at footpaths which must equally annoy the horse set, not so easy to lift a horse over a style 🤣🤣. Still I ride most of this late at night when it’s just badgers and owls for company
we are so so overly controlled in this country. for people who want to ride responsibly or even bike pack in the same way. you know, go out on a four day ride out into the far countryside to explore to appreciate unseen remote views void from crowds with an aim to wild camp stealthy over night. not bothering anyone person or countryside animal by leaving no trace, no trash behind not even evidence you was even there overnight. its a big NO can do in this country today. i find it frustrating as you always see some busy body hawkish person watching your every move who drove in from 15 miles away who has no legal claim to the land, no ownership of the land your on in some country side trails quoting at you. rule 17 subsection 3 of the non freedoms act regulations as a half hominoid robot like person just pops up in front of you in the middle of know where. there is no sense of real liberty or freedom. i leave no trace of my cycling or over night camping adventures. no one knows i have been there. today they want control of more and more aspects of your life so it seems and it feels they of going just to far now, it really does.
I first was aware of this back in the eighty's old drovers roads disappearing or down graded sometimes down to a footpath weird but in recent years finding bridleway that turn to a footpath in the dale's sometimes only half a mile long how can this be right.anyway thank for your enthusiasm and tips keep up the good work. 👍
Soon, as a cyclist or even a hiker, if you get a bit lost and stray off the public footpath/bridleway, the landowner could all the police and get you charged with a criminal trespass charge. So you could become a criminal just because people want to enjoy the outdoors and unfortunately stray off the public access paths. The criminal trespass law was designed by the government to target particular group of people, however don’t think this law won’t be used by landowners against walkers, cyclists and wild campers.
@CRANX They are planning to change the law. That’s the point. Trespass will soon be a criminal offence and don’t think the law won’t be used against other groups such as cyclists and walkers by unhappy landowners. “The new offence will be punishable by a prison sentence of up to 3 months, or a fine of up to £2,500, or both. The government will also amend the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 (CJPOA). This contains provisions which allow police to direct trespassers away from land.” Quote GOV site
@CRANX ‘directed at’ there is concern and rightly so that this legislation will be used against other groups such as outdoor people. I don’t trust grumpy landowners, the police, local authorities, and the government to not bend this law to suit agendas. I think we will start seeing it being used against wild campers. Responsible Wild campers are normally tolerated by some landowners, but remember during lockdown some landowners started getting hardline and were sending out patrols, using drones and night vision equipment to get people like wild campers off their land.
@CRANX There was an article in 2020 in the TGO magazine. You can search on line but I’ll put a bit of the article below. There is concern amongst the outdoor community and rightly so. “Right to roam campaigner: “wild camping is almost certainly going to be targeted” What could the implications of the new legislation be for ramblers? In response to our petition, the government has said that “such measures would not affect ramblers, the right to roam or rights of way. Instead, measures could be applied in specific circumstances relating to trespass with intent to reside.” They also said that the legislation “provides for an offence where the trespasser is likely to ‘substantially damage’ the land or interfere with it.” However, the law classes trespass itself as damage - just to step a foot over the line is classed as interference. And it works on two levels. If all of a sudden trespass is a criminal offence then landowners will have the ability to call the police on people using what they consider to be a permissive path. On one level, that will deter people from using the countryside. Also, the government says that the legislation won’t affect rights of way - but, of course, a path only becomes a right of way over 20 years of continuous use. So paths that could potentially be added to the rights of way network may stop being used. The legislation could effectively stop these rights of way being created. Could people inadvertently put themselves at risk of prosecution by straying off the path? As it stands, trespass is the same whether you have intended to trespass or were there by accident. The government mentions intentional trespass [in its response to us], but that isn’t actually part of the law at the moment. ‘Interfere’ is a word that’s used in cases of aggravated trespass - for example a protestor standing in the way of lorries coming into a coal site. But it’s a grey area. Ultimately, it’s down to the land owner to determine whether the land has been interfered with. **** How might wild campers be impacted? **** Wild camping is almost certainly going to be targeted. The government has said that the measures will be applied in cases of “trespass with intent to reside”. That’s almost certainly aimed at the travelling community, but if you’re caught with a tent up then that, of course, is intention to reside.”
The police will not turn up to a report of a cyclist riding across a bit of land lol, they can’t even enforce the mobile phone law, and that’s an easy obvious one!
I belonged to a cycle club in Sheffield still a honored member we did rough stuff before mountain bikes in winter ,,nothing stopped us chuck bike over fence of we go even on a Thursday in the night on way to pub We had one rule No one donned the club jumper then if stopped by peak park wardens we told the we were the Phoenix C C ,, ha ha ha of course we were not Normally most days we all fell off and no helmets
the access laws in England are so antiquated, things have moved on so far they need reformed. Wales will hopefully join Scotland and open up their trails to all.
Don't be daft. Going from no law to the Scottish Access bill is in no way comparable. The Welsh Assembly realised this belatedly about ten years ago. They then talked about allowing cycles on footpaths but that's not simple either. Cliff paths for instance
@@jeremyatkinson4976 Can you tell me more about these conflicts on cliff paths etc? There are, as you can imagine, a few cliff top paths in Scotland too. I've not heard about any issues on these. You say going from no law to the SOAC isn't comparable, is there really no law at all. If there's no law then there's no access problem. I'm sure it's a law that too restrictive. Plenty other countries around the world manage to allow free access to their citizens. Why can't England?
@@steelytail In Scotland there was no preceding law. They had a clean sheet of paper. English/Welsh law has built up over centuries of case law. It's second in complexity only to tax law. They had enough trouble with Open Access and the subsequent NERC law. That was way more involving than anyone initially realised. To go from our present system to a new simpler one would involve years of sorting out precedents in order to be sure that folks are not legally disadvantaged. Admittedly this may now be easier without having to refer to Europe. but it would still take years of legislation to legally disentangle and rescind existing laws, many of which are based on Norman law. They go back that far. Wales has one person assigned to PROW matters. He once asked my opinion... I'm no expert. Wales simply does not have the resources to deal with this. England doesn't have the will. All major advances in legislation have happened under Labour; although cyclists riding on bridleways came in with the Conservatives in the 1968 as an amendment to existing law. Wild Life and Countryside Act section 30. It's not conflicts on Cliff Paths it's children etc falling down cliffs on wheels. PROW have evolved for certain types of users. There would be legal challenges on safety grounds. I can't imagine the Welsh Assembly wanting to take that on. Their reaction thus far is akin to someone dipping their toes in the water and realising it's a lot colder than they thought.
@@jeremyatkinson4976 ok, thanks for the detail and enhanced clairity. But the cliff one doesn't really hang true. I can think of a cliff paths next to a reasonably sized town with big (fatal) drops next to it. It is cycled and walked by numerous people everyday. Cycling on the pavement next to a busy road would be just or even more dangerous.
@@steelytail Perhaps you are right but precedent is different to a law change. Who would now legislate to allow Horse riders on main roads, if they were not already there?
it's just sad here in most parts of the UK, can't ride here, don't ride there. You can drive a tractor down these tracks but no cycling. The country I'f from- ride anywhere you want. Road or track or path of fire road or bridleway - doesn't matter, anyone is free to use it. Try not to go on private land obviously but anything else is free to roam for everyone.
I've ridden up there a few times when I used to live near Skipton and had a few run in with estate workers. Mass trespass is sadly the only way to change access. However organising that is now a criminal offence thanks to our current government.
You can still organise it. Don't talk down your opportunities! You can. New protest laws were for more extreme violent protests and ones that seriously affect the profits of a business. I do not see how land access is in with that. Go and do it. Victim mentality will not help, don't be dumbed down. Protest is good and positive. We can do a mass protest and we should! (PS. I am not totally sure you are not secretly working for the landowners and telling people they cannot or have been listening to someone who is?) They want to dumb us down and think we have no power. We do!
When any one party holds the seat of government for too long it first of all gets arrogant followed by desperation (or the other way round). We're now on the cusp of the two as evidenced by a PM with a bad haircut and a Leader of the House from the 18th century.
@@davecooper3238 I thought that I'd made the point that a party that's been in charge too long becomes arrogant and desperate. Perhaps I didn't make that clear. The sooner we kick the Tories out the better.
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I MTB a lot and hardly walk. my concern is kids who tare around blind corners which more elderly people might want to walk. Bikes now have so much effective suspension that to make the ride fun and exciting more speed is needed. One solution to ponder: is to have certain days (or times of a day) with only walkers and certain days (or times) with only MTB and certain days shared access.
Similar to Snowdon? That sounds a very good idea. If you’ve read the linked feature with the ‘fantasy’ route described, it’s easy to minimise conflict risk just by choosing which are climbs and which are descents. As you say though, reckless riders won’t care about that and they’re the minority that make campaigning for the majority harder. Pretty much the same with any outdoor sport or activity though.
One easy way of getting people out of cars & on bikes is to turn foot paths into bridleways . I come across many foot paths that are hardly used & are as wide as a bridle way. having said that I do come across bridle ways that are just in reality a footpath & can be a problem if you meet a group of ramblers coming the other way .
Absolutely true. There are some bridleways that don't work as much as there are footpaths which could handle hooves and wheels without any problems. The whole rights of way system needs completely overhauling. Unfortunately there are so few people actually employed to work on ROW in local councils and so much bureaucracy any changes are glacial or just grind to a halt entirely. Be interesting to see if all the current fuss has an effect but just like footpaths and bridleways I think some people are doing more damage than good to getting everyone better access.
I ride and walk over the moors and I definitely cause less disturbance on the bike when a I walk I have the dog with me which is far more disturbing for the wild life.
You're also not allowed on any of the open access land on Barden Moor with a dog. The only bit where dogs are allowed is the bridleway and it feels like only then because they can't stop it.
So many miles of bridleway for you to cycle, so why bother about the few parts where you can't? Why do you feel you should be able to cycle anywhere you want? Just because it has potential, doesn't mean you should.
Because there are not that many miles of bridleways in reality. They also are only 20% of of the amount of footpaths and in some places like Sheffield/Peaks it's only 11%. Walkers have access to many other paths too [including bridleways] and with rarely any problem. This makes creating a route to say avoid dangerous roads when on horseback or cycling rather tricky at times. Also as was illustrated in this video some bridleways randomly stop for no sensible reason, usually it's a parish boundary and things got messed up or mistakes were made. Sometimes deliberately.
I'm hoping wide angle GoPro is giving a speed exaggeration effect. If the people at 07:33 had appeared at 07:11 climbing steps front on where your braking would be seriously compromised and you had metal bars on the left, or 01:52 where there was nowhere to jump out to, things could have been.... interesting.
In Denmark everybody are secured access to privat land. It is a right we have written in the nature protection legislation. Only in daytime and on roads and paths...
What's the point in a Bridleway having a sudden ending? It's fine if you're on your bike, you can just get off and push. But what if you're on a Horse..........?
The original surveys were done on a Parish by Parish basis circa 1950. Discrepancies were supposed to be sorted by a rolling review. Only the Isle of Wight did this.
Back in the day bridlewalys were the only way to ride. Trail centres have their place, but i wonder that the powers that be would like these to be the only access for MTBs snd Gravel riders.
Horse riders have the same issue in many areas......it is more important than ever to be able to access traffic free off road rides, but how some bridleways dont link up is historical depending on their original use. Cyclists should get together with local horse riding groups to help keeping Bw / Boats and Rupps open.
Acces for mtb's is poor on the Dukes Chatsworth estate in Derbyshire too. There is no legal way across the Eastern moors, its kind of a missing link on the East of the derwent
Ride Sheffield, a MTB advocacy group has been working with the Eastern Moors partnership for some time and there are great examples of permissive access being granted, Froggatt edge and Barbrook being two. Sadly the Chatsworth estate is a totally different story, only the official bridleway and even then it’s sometimes not even easy to access those. The most annoying thing is there are a series of rugged and well surfaced trails that MTBers would not damage in the slightest ready to be ridden but I’ve been shouted at more times than I care to remember for doing so.
So annoying and with the focus now on saving the planet all these trails should be open and free. Also footpaths should be opened too, some are so wide you could get a tractor down……oh they do that already.
what is the difference made of a trail between the heel of a walkers rubber shoes and a rubber bike tyre. non i would imagine both are soft rubber. its not like driving on it with a small vehicle that had metal tracks on it. they don't understand bikes is much of the problem.
RUPPs don't exist anymore Guy, haven't for around 20 years. Without a change in legislation, which won't happen under the Tories, nothing will change. Don Quixote?
Unfortunately, responsible and mountain bike riders do not always go together. Even you riding down the narrow bridle paths could not stop for a pedestrian coming the other way round a blind corner.
Damn, do I wish I hadn’t shot that section. Or at least rolled down at 3mph not maybe 7/8mph. All I can say is that the chest cam makes it look way faster than it really was and I could have stopped pretty much immediately. Plus my actual sight line was a lot higher/further than it looks. But yeah I get your point, there are idiots in all groups and I guess this is a great example of what you perceive as safe and what I perceive as safe. It does show that in this instance the legal paths are often the most unsuitable of all the possible routes on this estate. Thanks for joining the conversation anyway and hope the idiots - whatever group they’re from - don’t blight your enjoyment of the countryside too often.
Yep, I park at Storiths, cause who needs to pay eye-watering parking prices to an arriviste 'landlord'? I have issues with this place going back to 1538, when the Abbey was dissolved, and then practically given to an existing big-land'owner'.
If he is getting public money he should forced to grant access to all parts of his estate that has benefited from the use of that money and not just the bits he wants to grant access to.
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Put the word cycle in and policy makers seem to lose common sense. Your comment about local businesses holds true, I managed restaurants in Hertford and I could sell a weeks worth of pastries on a Saturday and Sunday thanks to the River lee Navigation and other popular routes. Privatisation and Nimbism harms us all in lots of ways that won't be apparent until it's too late.
Never been to the UK, but understand your frustration. It's the same in a lot of places with seemingly illogical restrictions on where you can and cannot ride. You talk a lot of responsible riding though and at least part of the problem are IMO the (often few) irresponsible riders that "contribute" to closing off areas and trails. It's not easy for me to see how to allow most riders while stopping those who ride way too fast past hikers and/or cause a lot of erosion when it's really wet.
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Very interesting. Well done.
I feel very lucky to have the open access we have here in Scotland. That said one local estate took the Mickley & erected locked gates during the first lockdown. Quick chat with the access officer at the council & access was restored.
So much land over there and so few people. Walkers can kind their quiet bits as can MTBers. One solution is to open up more trails and access, there is not enough. We need more trails. Also an idea is something like Snowdon is to limit access to certain times BUT also give times when it is MTB only.
Spot on! I wish the rest of the UK could catch up with the forward thinking Scots!
Absolutely, this vid is such a good reminder not to take right to roam for granted !
What you don’t have in Scotland though is any byways for off-roaders to take motorised vehicles on. Though people obviously disagree with whether that should be allowed. There’s also not a definitive map of paths, which I always feel makes navigation a bit unclear and makes routes a bit vulnerable to being closed.
Well done for producing this Guy. I used to regularly visit the Cav Pav, often with up to 10 other riders each spending up to £10 per visit. Since they stopped us even pushing our bikes across the bridge to access the Storiths road I haven't been in and have been actively trying to discourage others from spending their money there.
Disgusting 🤬🤬🤬
Well said!
Just more toffs and their tax dodging tax breaks, they don't care about local businesses or the general public, it's about how much they can put in their trough.
And the irony is the toffs will be riding horses on these tracks - horses cause a lot more damage to surfaces than bikes or walkers.
Couldn't agree more, "they" don't want us plebs on their land, they just pay lip service to the access agreements in order to obtain the tax breaks
The lot of them don't give a monkey's about the public.
Well said
@@thebrowns5337 The toffs because they are usually really local are often helping to maintain the bridle ways. Walkers & cyclists often arrive in the area by car & do little in way of maintenance.
This country's access rights (or rather, lack of) are based upon hundreds of years of earls, viscounts and lords owning great swathes of this beautiful place and having the right to tell everyone on it what to do. We are nothing more than medieval peasants to them, and we can ride our bikes somewhere else. Pah!
...As English people, we are too compliant. We need some revolt in us like the French, or the Scots. Imagine if a million people took their bikes and hiking boots to places across the country we're told we're not allowed to go, all in the same day. That'd prove a point.
You simply do not have enough cyclists to gather 1.000.000 of them. Suppose you have 50 million people who have access. A decent bike for all of them? That is a pipe dream. Those public displays of social unrest that was the start of the Dutch cycling. That was a minority of just 20.000 people at max. The fact the Dutch own 1.3 bicycles PER CAPITA makes your pipe dream even more ridiculous.
The only way is to either install a revolution, like the French did, or go through the biased courts in England. You haven't even got a rubbish cycling infrastructure and a parliament that doesn't play ball where environment is concerned. Your public beaches are a mess, your rivers are getting more polluted by the SECOND. Your country is a mess and you voted out. That was the ultimate mistake... You are well on your way to become a US state...
I mean I know you think you have it bad, but to me it is crazy that you have this much access. Here in the States there are huge swaths of land that are just posted no tress passing. It is annoying to me that these empty areas are out of bounds. sad stuff.
Great Video as always
Cheers mate
This so needed making. Nice one!
Cheers mate, hopefully the Duke watches it and comes out for a ride. I'd be happy to lend him a bike 😜
Thanks for publicising this. Something needs to change.
Land access in England makes me sad. I'm in the South West where there is so much restricted moorland and woodland.
We should all be encouraged to be spending more time enjoying our countryside, not told - this belongs to me, you can't be here.
But I agree with Guy, we must be responsible.
Where I live they're too busy building on it to care about anyone enjoying it
I don’t follow rules in the Peak District. It’s big enough for all of us.
If these “Lords” want to show me a receipt for the land they claim to own I may adapt my behaviour.
ride on. what are they going to do?
Men and women fought
For a land for for heroes.they came back and were told this land is not for you
Well said. More of this Guy!
Fantastic efforts guys stay safe and sound mate 😊❤🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧we should never be denied access to any track,,, its our rights as tax payers and English men.... I wouldn't let it stop me,,,, they drive vehicles on them🤬🤬🤬🤬⛔
Farmers are at it too, taking down bridleway signs cutting down trees across tracks etc etc .
It’s frustrating when your out with a map making up your own routes .
Don’t suppose all the rural theft that goes off helps our cause.
We should all keep our eyes peeled for thieves and have a helpline number to call or something?
Be the eyes and ears against rural crime .
Good points very politely made.
Thanks for making this and CyclingUK for pursuing the issue. it’s a joke only having that 1 nightmare bridleway and having to deal with the level of car traffic that the estate generates.
It's like this on the North York Moor's, bridle paths in the middle of nowhere that you can't actual get to.
Great video Guy. Such an important topic and one that sadly still needs all our attention and efforts in England
Fantastically informed video👍🏼
so grateful to live in scotland
Totally agree that more access to the countryside would be great. Problem for me is shared use. This very video highlights the potential problem. I walk and cycle and do find it annoying when cyclist come belting past. Most cyclist are considerate but we're judged on the behaviour of the few who ride as though they're in a race.
Yeah, he's going way too fast for a shared access path like that.
I used to work for the Duke of Devonshire albeit at his Chatsworth estate. The Duke is FAR from popular amongst his employees. The old Duke was respected by nearly everyone but when he died and "stoker" took over there was a mass exodus of employees. He is just a bussinessman and only cares about getting as much money as possible and paying as little tax as he can.
Pretty much sums up all the estate owners in the country, tax dodging toffs!
The rule should be if you can walk down it, you can cycle down it.
Looks like some prime gravel routes around the estate. This kind of campaigning and pressure from groups like cycling UK will hopefully make a difference!
So glad cycling UK is helping you get the message out there.... the UK has such potential for cycling ... just look at the canal tow paths for good family fun cycling... yet its all so disjointed...
I wish I knew how to get things changed because one thing is for sure .... cycling bring huge economic benefits to a lot of places.... don't believe me... just look at Majorca. Man have they got it taped.
And tory law changes will make it harder to explore in England, while our money will no doubt still go to these wealthy land owners
Great information Guy!
There's far too little off road routes for cyclists in this country; none of it makes sense, ride on a bridleway, and for some reason it becomes a footpath. Compared to other countries, we really are severely restricted.
I watch outdoor videos, and the foreign ones are an eye opener; for example they can park up and camp on the seafront - and it's perfectly legal. We're miles behind, and the powers that be seem to want to keep it like that.
We are miles ahead of Germany, thanks to their Green Party, and France? not nearly as sorted as one might imagine.
What ive noticed is that too much land in UK is owned by someone, it boggles my mind why do i have to pay to go to forest to ride my MTB. In most european countries you just park up whenever and off you go.
if a Bridleway becomes a footpath I carry on riding
They introduced even more restrictions on lockdown making it virtually impossible to sleep in a van anywhere bar a campsite.
Hi there, very nice area actually. My feeling is that with the E-MTB getting more and more popular (because upslopes more easy…), there are more and more riders, dashing down the paths, paths to share with hikers. And hikers doesn’t mix very well with bikers. My fear is to see more and more areas restricted to hikers only. The future will tell.
I only saw a few hikers in the video....
If anything, I’ve noticed access getting worse lately, compared to the 90s when it was much more easy going. I see huge swathes of the countryside being cordoned off especially in favour blood”sports.”
If the pandemic and the current star of health in the country has indicated anything, it is that these open spaces have to be accessible, the tax going in to the coffers from MTB’s and eMTB’s has to account for something, and it will far outreach tax from hunting (much of which isn’t even getting declared).
I see plenty of politicians these days swanning around on bikes but they only seem interested in towns and cities.
I ride horses and ride bikes, think of those bridleways, and never mind bikes think of two horses trying to get past, landowners, have for years been narrowing tracks, gates that cant be opened, not making it actually impossible, bu they want you to give up and go elsewhere, the anti access isnt just aimed at bikers, but everyone who enjoys access, I really think a united front or ramblers, bikers, riders etc would carry more weight, as for that estate, lets all remember if the seizure of assets obtained through crime went back a few hundred years none of these places would be in private ownership !!
People with sooo much money always want to own everything. At the end of the day, no one absolutely no one owns anything, and how these ultra rich can sleep at night knowing that there’s people living on the streets is beyond me.
That tickled me, prime shooting land, you can shoot and kill things and blast things to bits but you can’t ride ya bike.
Sod em ride it anyway.
And for those of us who are not socialists, Her Maj is the ultimate owner anyway
Not happening sorry 🥂😀
Totally agree cycling is so better than killing the wildlife.
Well said screw the toffs and their delusions.
@@firminofire9895 already is chum .....
Great reset in action ....
You will own nothing 😂
I walk but let’s have more cycling
I'm with you. I don't understand the restrictions of bikes on certain trails. Mountain bikes aren't destructive to the land and it's no different than foot travel. I think that some people see mountain bikes as dirt bike and there needs to be more awareness to it.
Very true, unfortunately the way MTB often tries to sell itself doesn't help at all.
@@GuyKesTV I agree with you. I'm a new subscriber and love your channel. You have some great content here.
They don't want cyclists on their land, that's how I read the situation. By leaving the old bridleway as a muddy lumpy track they probably hope to dissuade riders from using it, and the same no doubt goes for the private road notices all over the place too. They'll do only as much as they need to for the tax breaks. Mind you, the local moorland bridleway tracks up near Grosmont are quite similar to that and I wouldn't really want them to be paved, I just don't ride them in the winter to avoid damaging them and getting plastered / drenched in the process.
Should be more
Great video. Thanks for posting this and pointing out some of the inconsistencies in access rights. We have similar issues in Northumberland, including some land-rover tracks that one is not even allowed to walk along!
It really is frustrating isn’t it!
Are those Land Rover tracks over private land. If so the word private could explain it.
@@davecooper3238 Yes, in as much as the moorland is all private land as is most of the Highlands. It isn't someone's immediate back garden.
@@patrickhazlehurst8472 Landy tracks cost money to maintain. Will cyclists chip in ?
@@davecooper3238 The cost of making and maintaining such tracks was not an issue when the landowner in question laid hogging landrover tracks on long established single track bridleways across the common. I would be interested to know what your status is and whether you have an interest in arguing for the rights of landowners? My position is that with power comes responsibility (thanks Stan Lee) and ownership of land does not confer the right to restrict access to that land unreasonably. The damage that would be done by responsible use of such tracks by cyclists and walkers would be negligible.
I seem to recall it was when labour were last in power that we lost the full use of many green lanes. Ramblers won.
First they came for the greenlaners, and I said nothing....
Good for the ramblers.
Glad you made this guy . Started off at grassington what took me over barden Moore. Only to be told close to the end to get off my bike . It was open to cyclist many years ago . And such a beautiful ride over barden moore
Was that recently Simon?
@@GuyKesTV no guy at least 10yr ago .. just after coming off the Moore land heading down to Bolton Abbey
Cycling UK and British Horse should have combined to demand access on trackways within Open Access land. They've had 22 years to organise this but then neither are effective at Access, it's not their core function, unlike with the Ramblers.
What bike are you riding please?
Hi Gracie, it’s a Scott Spark RC WC AXS that I have on test ATMO : www.scott-sports.com/gb/en/product/scott-spark-rc-world-cup-axs-bike?article=286260012
Highly reccomend Nick Hayes - The Book of Trespass: Crossing the Lines that Divide Us, for anyone who is interested in access & as he puts it The Cult of Exclusion.
Thanks for video,it just drives me nuts all these gates that stop you getting through ,we have these stupid metal gates all over the place out here in Prestbury ,had to lift my bike over twice last week .
Mass trespass anyone??
Nice Kes. Over the last 20 years he's not opened any more routes over Barden and there has been more damage and erosion on the drop into Linton from 4x4 climate change and lack of good repair work- some increased routes would help mitigate and that "moghul" field is hell now on the official bridle route back to BA, churned up from the cattle increased rain and no supporting repairs- great work and keep doing these great videos with cycling uk. #disappearing bridleway deadline
Being in Scotland I look south and am very disappointed and sad about all the wonderful landscapes I won’t explore.
Access in England is so weird. I found a few closed off footpaths near me, that people have illegally obstructed, except they were understandably little used because the things just dead end without any connections, so without trespassing all you can do is an out and back and it goes no where interesting. The council also just shut a path after national rail replaced a pedestrian bridge and didn’t renew a connection to the far side of the railway, and they could do that cos the path wasn’t on the definitive map, despite existing for more than 100 years.
Whole thing annoyed me so much I joined the ramblers 😂.
I ride where I want. Don't care what signs state.
Funny, was riding the National Cycle Network near me on my gravel bike, just along the side of the Kennet and Avon Canal near reading and apart from it being in a terrible state, narrow and near unusable during the day due to volumes of people it also appears to go on and off footpaths (even when stating it’s the NCN 4). Now maybe this was me getting a bit lost in the dark but I stayed next to the river and followed the signs but it got me thinking back to when I crossed France on a eurovelo route and how different the experience was.
Also huge number of routes around here that bridleways start and stop at footpaths which must equally annoy the horse set, not so easy to lift a horse over a style 🤣🤣.
Still I ride most of this late at night when it’s just badgers and owls for company
NCN doesn't mean it's for cyclists only. I look for cycle routes to push my wife's wheelchair along because footpaths are usually unsuitable.
seems like 'This land is your land' needs a bit of a dust off
Q). How fast do you guys cycle at? Looks so fast.
Electric bikes
No motors here Jacko. The Scott just looks that way because of the hidden shock.
@@commonsense718 , and your point is?, in the UK peddles assist cuts out @15mph so it is only of real use on the flat or going up hill.
Was up walking near appletreewick this weekend just gone. Lost count of the number of 'no cycle access' type signs. Such a shame
And if you'd been riding your bike would you have been causing significantly more damage/disturbance?
@@GuyKesTV I really don't see that I would, no.
It's a shame about the accessibility, but we should be grateful for what we do have. It's a slow process but we'll get there.
Will we? Seems too many cyclist haters in the UK.
Hope you're right though.
we are so so overly controlled in this country. for people who want to ride responsibly or even bike pack in the same way. you know, go out on a four day ride out into the far countryside to explore to appreciate unseen remote views void from crowds with an aim to wild camp stealthy over night. not bothering anyone person or countryside animal by leaving no trace, no trash behind not even evidence you was even there overnight. its a big NO can do in this country today.
i find it frustrating as you always see some busy body hawkish person watching your every move who drove in from 15 miles away who has no legal claim to the land, no ownership of the land your on in some country side trails quoting at you. rule 17 subsection 3 of the non freedoms act regulations as a half hominoid robot like person just pops up in front of you in the middle of know where.
there is no sense of real liberty or freedom. i leave no trace of my cycling or over night camping adventures. no one knows i have been there. today they want control of more and more aspects of your life so it seems and it feels they of going just to far now, it really does.
I first was aware of this back in the eighty's old drovers roads disappearing or down graded sometimes down to a footpath weird but in recent years finding bridleway that turn to a footpath in the dale's sometimes only half a mile long how can this be right.anyway thank for your enthusiasm and tips keep up the good work. 👍
Soon, as a cyclist or even a hiker, if you get a bit lost and stray off the public footpath/bridleway, the landowner could all the police and get you charged with a criminal trespass charge.
So you could become a criminal just because people want to enjoy the outdoors and unfortunately stray off the public access paths.
The criminal trespass law was designed by the government to target particular group of people, however don’t think this law won’t be used by landowners against walkers, cyclists and wild campers.
@CRANX That's what is changing.
@CRANX They are planning to change the law. That’s the point.
Trespass will soon be a criminal offence and don’t think the law won’t be used against other groups such as cyclists and walkers by unhappy landowners.
“The new offence will be punishable by a prison sentence of up to 3 months, or a fine of up to £2,500, or both.
The government will also amend the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 (CJPOA). This contains provisions which allow police to direct trespassers away from land.” Quote GOV site
@CRANX ‘directed at’ there is concern and rightly so that this legislation will be used against other groups such as outdoor people. I don’t trust grumpy landowners, the police, local authorities, and the government to not bend this law to suit agendas.
I think we will start seeing it being used against wild campers. Responsible Wild campers are normally tolerated by some landowners, but remember during lockdown some landowners started getting hardline and were sending out patrols, using drones and night vision equipment to get people like wild campers off their land.
@CRANX There was an article in 2020 in the TGO magazine. You can search on line but I’ll put a bit of the article below.
There is concern amongst the outdoor community and rightly so.
“Right to roam campaigner: “wild camping is almost certainly going to be targeted”
What could the implications of the new legislation be for ramblers?
In response to our petition, the government has said that “such measures would not affect ramblers, the right to roam or rights of way. Instead, measures could be applied in specific circumstances relating to trespass with intent to reside.” They also said that the legislation “provides for an offence where the trespasser is likely to ‘substantially damage’ the land or interfere with it.”
However, the law classes trespass itself as damage - just to step a foot over the line is classed as interference. And it works on two levels. If all of a sudden trespass is a criminal offence then landowners will have the ability to call the police on people using what they consider to be a permissive path. On one level, that will deter people from using the countryside. Also, the government says that the legislation won’t affect rights of way - but, of course, a path only becomes a right of way over 20 years of continuous use. So paths that could potentially be added to the rights of way network may stop being used. The legislation could effectively stop these rights of way being created.
Could people inadvertently put themselves at risk of prosecution by straying off the path?
As it stands, trespass is the same whether you have intended to trespass or were there by accident. The government mentions intentional trespass [in its response to us], but that isn’t actually part of the law at the moment. ‘Interfere’ is a word that’s used in cases of aggravated trespass - for example a protestor standing in the way of lorries coming into a coal site. But it’s a grey area. Ultimately, it’s down to the land owner to determine whether the land has been interfered with.
**** How might wild campers be impacted? ****
Wild camping is almost certainly going to be targeted. The government has said that the measures will be applied in cases of “trespass with intent to reside”. That’s almost certainly aimed at the travelling community, but if you’re caught with a tent up then that, of course, is intention to reside.”
The police will not turn up to a report of a cyclist riding across a bit of land lol, they can’t even enforce the mobile phone law, and that’s an easy obvious one!
I belonged to a cycle club in Sheffield still a honored member we did rough stuff before mountain bikes in winter ,,nothing stopped us chuck bike over fence of we go even on a Thursday in the night on way to pub We had one rule No one donned the club jumper then if stopped by peak park wardens we told the we were the Phoenix C C ,, ha ha ha of course we were not Normally most days we all fell off and no helmets
Utter shame and sham on behalf of the government and land owner 🤬🤬🤬🤬🇬🇧
Great video, Kes.
the access laws in England are so antiquated, things have moved on so far they need reformed. Wales will hopefully join Scotland and open up their trails to all.
Don't be daft. Going from no law to the Scottish Access bill is in no way comparable. The Welsh Assembly realised this belatedly about ten years ago. They then talked about allowing cycles on footpaths but that's not simple either. Cliff paths for instance
@@jeremyatkinson4976
Can you tell me more about these conflicts on cliff paths etc?
There are, as you can imagine, a few cliff top paths in Scotland too. I've not heard about any issues on these.
You say going from no law to the SOAC isn't comparable, is there really no law at all. If there's no law then there's no access problem. I'm sure it's a law that too restrictive. Plenty other countries around the world manage to allow free access to their citizens. Why can't England?
@@steelytail In Scotland there was no preceding law. They had a clean sheet of paper. English/Welsh law has built up over centuries of case law. It's second in complexity only to tax law. They had enough trouble with Open Access and the subsequent NERC law. That was way more involving than anyone initially realised. To go from our present system to a new simpler one would involve years of sorting out precedents in order to be sure that folks are not legally disadvantaged. Admittedly this may now be easier without having to refer to Europe. but it would still take years of legislation to legally disentangle and rescind existing laws, many of which are based on Norman law. They go back that far. Wales has one person assigned to PROW matters. He once asked my opinion... I'm no expert. Wales simply does not have the resources to deal with this. England doesn't have the will. All major advances in legislation have happened under Labour; although cyclists riding on bridleways came in with the Conservatives in the 1968 as an amendment to existing law. Wild Life and Countryside Act section 30.
It's not conflicts on Cliff Paths it's children etc falling down cliffs on wheels. PROW have evolved for certain types of users. There would be legal challenges on safety grounds. I can't imagine the Welsh Assembly wanting to take that on. Their reaction thus far is akin to someone dipping their toes in the water and realising it's a lot colder than they thought.
@@jeremyatkinson4976 ok, thanks for the detail and enhanced clairity.
But the cliff one doesn't really hang true. I can think of a cliff paths next to a reasonably sized town with big (fatal) drops next to it. It is cycled and walked by numerous people everyday. Cycling on the pavement next to a busy road would be just or even more dangerous.
@@steelytail Perhaps you are right but precedent is different to a law change. Who would now legislate to allow Horse riders on main roads, if they were not already there?
it's just sad here in most parts of the UK, can't ride here, don't ride there. You can drive a tractor down these tracks but no cycling. The country I'f from- ride anywhere you want. Road or track or path of fire road or bridleway - doesn't matter, anyone is free to use it. Try not to go on private land obviously but anything else is free to roam for everyone.
Yes well we can ride on loads of private land using Public Bridleways
Just wrap a diesel soaked rag around that gate and light it.repeat until they get the message!
I've ridden up there a few times when I used to live near Skipton and had a few run in with estate workers. Mass trespass is sadly the only way to change access. However organising that is now a criminal offence thanks to our current government.
You can still organise it. Don't talk down your opportunities! You can. New protest laws were for more extreme violent protests and ones that seriously affect the profits of a business. I do not see how land access is in with that. Go and do it. Victim mentality will not help, don't be dumbed down. Protest is good and positive. We can do a mass protest and we should! (PS. I am not totally sure you are not secretly working for the landowners and telling people they cannot or have been listening to someone who is?) They want to dumb us down and think we have no power. We do!
The government democratically voted for.
When any one party holds the seat of government for too long it first of all gets arrogant followed by desperation (or the other way round). We're now on the cusp of the two as evidenced by a PM with a bad haircut and a Leader of the House from the 18th century.
Your point is ?@@trevcam6892
@@davecooper3238
I thought that I'd made the point that a party that's been in charge too long becomes arrogant and desperate. Perhaps I didn't make that clear. The sooner we kick the Tories out the better.
Used to use the Cav Pav all the time when up there, but haven’t for the last 2 years and won’t be again due to their anti cycling policies.
Apologies for the off-topic but I wondered which Giro helmet you are wearing? I'm about to get a new one to change from a Chronicle. That one looks cool.
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Perhaps you should do what the ramblers did in the day. Turn up in hundreds and ride everywhere and force the issue.
You need land reform like we had in Scotland 🏴
Would motor vehicle drivers have to get out and push as well?
I MTB a lot and hardly walk. my concern is kids who tare around blind corners which more elderly people might want to walk. Bikes now have so much effective suspension that to make the ride fun and exciting more speed is needed. One solution to ponder: is to have certain days (or times of a day) with only walkers and certain days (or times) with only MTB and certain days shared access.
Similar to Snowdon? That sounds a very good idea. If you’ve read the linked feature with the ‘fantasy’ route described, it’s easy to minimise conflict risk just by choosing which are climbs and which are descents. As you say though, reckless riders won’t care about that and they’re the minority that make campaigning for the majority harder. Pretty much the same with any outdoor sport or activity though.
Only problem I see with the Narrow Lane you went down is the Walkers are going to get wiped out but wider tracks are ok
Just ignore them. F**k them. If they dodge tax then just ride and ignore them
One easy way of getting people out of cars & on bikes is to turn foot paths into bridleways . I come across many foot paths that are hardly used & are as wide as a bridle way. having said that I do come across bridle ways that are just in reality a footpath & can be a problem if you meet a group of ramblers coming the other way .
Absolutely true. There are some bridleways that don't work as much as there are footpaths which could handle hooves and wheels without any problems. The whole rights of way system needs completely overhauling. Unfortunately there are so few people actually employed to work on ROW in local councils and so much bureaucracy any changes are glacial or just grind to a halt entirely. Be interesting to see if all the current fuss has an effect but just like footpaths and bridleways I think some people are doing more damage than good to getting everyone better access.
Anything to get them off the roads 🙂
Looks great 👍 what bike you riding looks nice bit if kit
Why not organise a mass ride-protest and just go through their land. If they are meant to allow access but aren't f'em.
Great video,it amazes me how a bridleways acces can just stop,but the road carries on.Grassington moor has the same problem 🤨
I ride and walk over the moors and I definitely cause less disturbance on the bike when a I walk I have the dog with me which is far more disturbing for the wild life.
You're also not allowed on any of the open access land on Barden Moor with a dog. The only bit where dogs are allowed is the bridleway and it feels like only then because they can't stop it.
So many miles of bridleway for you to cycle, so why bother about the few parts where you can't? Why do you feel you should be able to cycle anywhere you want? Just because it has potential, doesn't mean you should.
Because there are not that many miles of bridleways in reality. They also are only 20% of of the amount of footpaths and in some places like Sheffield/Peaks it's only 11%. Walkers have access to many other paths too [including bridleways] and with rarely any problem. This makes creating a route to say avoid dangerous roads when on horseback or cycling rather tricky at times. Also as was illustrated in this video some bridleways randomly stop for no sensible reason, usually it's a parish boundary and things got messed up or mistakes were made. Sometimes deliberately.
I'm hoping wide angle GoPro is giving a speed exaggeration effect.
If the people at 07:33 had appeared at 07:11 climbing steps front on where your braking would be seriously compromised and you had metal bars on the left, or 01:52 where there was nowhere to jump out to, things could have been.... interesting.
Happy days
It will end when we stop doffing our caps to our betters
In Denmark everybody are secured access to privat land. It is a right we have written in the nature protection legislation. Only in daytime and on roads and paths...
You made riding that path look like the Cresta Run.
What's the point in a Bridleway having a sudden ending? It's fine if you're on your bike, you can just get off and push. But what if you're on a Horse..........?
The original surveys were done on a Parish by Parish basis circa 1950. Discrepancies were supposed to be sorted by a rolling review. Only the Isle of Wight did this.
Great video. How long was the route? What bike were you riding? Do you organise group rides in the area to experience new routes?
If it's a road, then ride it. Who's going to arrest you? Besides, they have to catch you first! :-)
Back in the day bridlewalys were the only way to ride. Trail centres have their place, but i wonder that the powers that be would like these to be the only access for MTBs snd Gravel riders.
When the Trail Centres were built the Welsh Tourist Board predicted that riders would largely cease to use PROW. In Wales they were largely correct.
Horse riders have the same issue in many areas......it is more important than ever to be able to access traffic free off road rides, but how some bridleways dont link up is historical depending on their original use. Cyclists should get together with local horse riding groups to help keeping Bw / Boats and Rupps open.
RUPPs don't exist, though Guy is as ignorant as you on that.
Acces for mtb's is poor on the Dukes Chatsworth estate in Derbyshire too. There is no legal way across the Eastern moors, its kind of a missing link on the East of the derwent
Ride Sheffield, a MTB advocacy group has been working with the Eastern Moors partnership for some time and there are great examples of permissive access being granted, Froggatt edge and Barbrook being two. Sadly the Chatsworth estate is a totally different story, only the official bridleway and even then it’s sometimes not even easy to access those. The most annoying thing is there are a series of rugged and well surfaced trails that MTBers would not damage in the slightest ready to be ridden but I’ve been shouted at more times than I care to remember for doing so.
So annoying and with the focus now on saving the planet all these trails should be open and free. Also footpaths should be opened too, some are so wide you could get a tractor down……oh they do that already.
what is the difference made of a trail between the heel of a walkers rubber shoes and a rubber bike tyre. non i would imagine both are soft rubber. its not like driving on it with a small vehicle that had metal tracks on it. they don't understand bikes is much of the problem.
Actually you are correct. Research on the matter came to pretty much that conclusion.
RUPPs don't exist anymore Guy, haven't for around 20 years. Without a change in legislation, which won't happen under the Tories, nothing will change. Don Quixote?
Unfortunately, responsible and mountain bike riders do not always go together. Even you riding down the narrow bridle paths could not stop for a pedestrian coming the other way round a blind corner.
Damn, do I wish I hadn’t shot that section. Or at least rolled down at 3mph not maybe 7/8mph. All I can say is that the chest cam makes it look way faster than it really was and I could have stopped pretty much immediately. Plus my actual sight line was a lot higher/further than it looks. But yeah I get your point, there are idiots in all groups and I guess this is a great example of what you perceive as safe and what I perceive as safe. It does show that in this instance the legal paths are often the most unsuitable of all the possible routes on this estate. Thanks for joining the conversation anyway and hope the idiots - whatever group they’re from - don’t blight your enjoyment of the countryside too often.
Yep, I park at Storiths, cause who needs to pay eye-watering parking prices to an arriviste 'landlord'? I have issues with this place going back to 1538, when the Abbey was dissolved, and then practically given to an existing big-land'owner'.
If he is getting public money he should forced to grant access to all parts of his estate that has benefited from the use of that money and not just the bits he wants to grant access to.
Just ride it, catch me if you can
What's the best hardtail under £2k? For the UK market
Are you thinking XC or Trail?
@@GuyKesTV Legend for replying.
I'm thinking XC.
Very hard to find the better reviewed bikes in the UK ATM. Loved your Specialized Chisel build. Can't find a frameset or a complete build in stock :)
Well done on the channel.
@@lobyapatty yeah Chisel is an awesome bike if you can find one. The Dial from Sonder looks great though and Neil normally does a really good job with alloy frames. Whyte 529 and 629 are worth a look too. Trail geometry but light and with fast rolling tyres.
@@GuyKesTV You sir are a legend. I'd never even heard of the Sonder Dial until now. I'll be putting an order in I think. They should throw you some support for reccomending :)
New to your channel but you seem to know your stuff, and your passion for bikes really shines through in your ride videos.
Much appreciated. Keep going.
@@lobyapatty I wouldn't get a Dial unless you live somewhere fairly flat. It's got an old school head angle. [Straying off thread alert]
Put the word cycle in and policy makers seem to lose common sense. Your comment about local businesses holds true, I managed restaurants in Hertford and I could sell a weeks worth of pastries on a Saturday and Sunday thanks to the River lee Navigation and other popular routes. Privatisation and Nimbism harms us all in lots of ways that won't be apparent until it's too late.
Never been to the UK, but understand your frustration. It's the same in a lot of places with seemingly illogical restrictions on where you can and cannot ride. You talk a lot of responsible riding though and at least part of the problem are IMO the (often few) irresponsible riders that "contribute" to closing off areas and trails. It's not easy for me to see how to allow most riders while stopping those who ride way too fast past hikers and/or cause a lot of erosion when it's really wet.