She was never bad. People just dont know how to use her properly, the first time she got a revamp she was already super good. I have a friend who mains Layla and every single time he picks her, its a guarantee win. Not a single match where we lose while hes using Layla.
It's not a troll pick, old meta playere are just so shitty they just automatically blame layla when they are the ones lacking, like how the saying "zilong is bonus round" . Layla's a lot more OP than before, from 145% extra dmg to 130% to now 115%.
This is part of the reasons i spammed roam Helcurt since last season. On one hand, he's one of the best allies for Layla and other MM to grab those crucial early kills and snowball out of control. On the other hand, when matched AGAINST them, he can completely shut them down during the laning phase and prevent any attempts from them to recover their networth thorought the game. The best thing that made him better than roam Saber is that he could jump anyone EVERY 5 SECONDS (as in, depends on his 1st skill's CD) compared to Saber and his 20-ish seconds CD on ult. Also, thanks to his passive and ult, he could easily escape from almost every failed ganks, which make him not as high risk as Saber. I know that with Helcurt you'll sacrifice a lot of utilities from other roamers, but Layla is currently strong enough that all she needs is a small distraction on opposing dive heroes and she'll clean up every enemies in teamfights all by herself
@@Sir67-2 Emblem+talents : Custom Assassin - Rupture(PEN) - Master Assassin - Lethal Ignition Battle Spell : Petrify Build : Brown boots - Fury Hammer - CD boots - Blade of Heptaseas - DHS - Sky Piercer - BOD - Malefic Roar. Against regen heroes, you could buy Sea Halberd after DHS, but the dmg from his combo + follow up from his team is often enough to burst them down and it's not really necessary with Glowing Wand being everywhere.
@@Ornyl Glad that it works for you, but i personally never had any trouble against Eudora or other bush campers with Helcurt simply because of his "map-hack" passive. Whenever i see my screen's edge become darker and my Helcurt ran faster, i'll always jump to the closest bush and 80% of the time there's a camper there, at which point the 1st skill's Fear CC often gave enough time for me to burst them instead. My point is countering Helcurt with bush camping is pretry tricky especially if his user's awareness is good, so you better prepare to burst him IMMEDIEATELY after he comes in your vision, otherwise he'll either jump you first or he'll ran away from the bush you're in.
@youagain8447 who said about bush camping? You will always attack the easiest target, so all i need is hero lock mode and spam my skill. If ixia uses ult, you'll definitely aim her , so i just have to wait. And if u don't, ixia or layla will keep attacking. Although not possible in low ranks cuz of how dumb they can be.
Learn to shut down late game heroes early. It's not a problem if you know how to play against certain compositions. And higher ranked players should know it. Layla is good. Not a bad pick anymore. But she's not broken either. People are just losing their mind on the fact that an immobile late game mm can do so much if you let her farm easily and reach late game. Like yeah bro, no shit. It's supposed to be that way. I still get Laylas who feed early game and just lose the game. And I also got some who knew what they were doing.
@@rimurutem-pest3604 That works . But sometimes you get teammates who ignore your pings and keep farming minions (even though they are like 5 seconds away from where you are setting)when you catch a Layla. Then after you get killed they will 'correct' you by saying that you are a tank not a fighter. You shouldn't be jumping in like that. Like bro, pay attention to the pings.
@@fauzumn1029 Especially the ones that walk into a bush first instead of their tank or fighter being with them lol. They start getting kills and think they are invincible now. XD
Imagine if Kadita could use the item Sea Halberd 💀💀 Sea Halberd passive: When low HP, the user of this item can use the river side of the map to swim. The speed of swimming if converted to land is 85 movement speed. Kadita passive: if Kadita is underwater, her skills get enhanced. Resulting in bigger aoe skills and stronger cc. Rip Kadita Perma ban 😂
The adjustments on Rose Gold Meteor also indirectly buffs her as well. Now she has some sustain (although not a lot, but from Haas' Claw, Rose Gold Meteor, and Wind Of Nature and adding the Marksmen Emblem already gave her 20 hybrid defense and a shield from RGM (because the effects are reduced for non fighters), physical immunity from WoN, and a bunch of lifesteals). Although countering her is easy, if she gets a really good teammates she became extremely annoying to deal with.
Idk about you but its either rgm or won, not both. That's too much lifesteal and not enough damage. Too much lifesteal is a problem for mm bcuz they have never had a big enough hp pool to justify that much regen in the first place. Plus, if you want to sustain as an mm, then you're probably better suited playing a fighter.
I once faced layla with Suyou, we only have one dive and that is me, they got a really proactive tank, brawler xp and fk tonnes of CC. Its a freakin nightmare
As someone who's occasionally obliterated by Layla, please DON'T NERF her. Most of the time I lost against Layla is because of bad draft, like lack of assasins heroes. Otherwise Layla is completely fine. Meta yes but doesn't need to be nerfed
@Carnalevi no I don't think so, nerfing Malefic Gun only make it useless except for Layla only. If nerfing is mandatory, then I choose to nerf Layla instead
Yeah, one of the bigger reasons for Layla's dominance is because most of the assassins that reliably counter her are banned most of the time like Hayabusa and Saber. Yes, there are still other assassins to pick but they're either too gambling (Ling and Fanny, you better wish you get their godlike mains or else that's an easy defeat), got outranged and often died before reaching her (Nolan, Yin, Joy), or simply have too many issues against the other meta picks (Karina, Paquito, Hanzo)
There's no nerf needed , she's very easy to killed, layla was meant to outranges other hero because that's her kits. Altho ixia has better survivability than her , it's a shame no one bother picking ixia if enemy has layla instead they picked a marksman with small range that are food to her
@@Dasligma69 lesley cannot counter Layla , unless Layla was caught by surprise in a bush , if layla 1st skill landed and hit lesley when she's on conceal , it's game over
This should be a "please Nerf granger". That rat got a whole revamp, and he was op beforehand. THEY NEED TO GIVE KAGURA A REVAMP. GIVE HER A DAM 4TH SKILL. MAKE HER EVEN MORE OP LIKE GRANGER.
Some of yall don't necessarily understand on how ridiculously powerful she become. True shes a mm so naturally she can be easily be killed... But the thing is almost all mm in late game is hard to kill even ling and fanny do struggle abit targeting layla on late game because before they can get close they already be on half hp. And if yall saying skill issue then isn't a given in high rank games to actually safeguard your mm? And naturally go and kill mms?
@@ichiro1784 Yeah, even though you have 2/6/3 kda in early game there’s still a high chance that you will dominate the game just because of the *RANGE*
@hendrixignacio YES! Like the sheer amount of frustration i built up because of that stupid range. Im a mage main and lately i love pharsa and the first time i go up against with a poorly fed layla it was like a "ohh pharsa can counter this cu*t nice"....oh little did i know on late game that bi*ch can reach me even on pharsas ult and the worst part i didn't realized it
thats how the mm works in late game, its normal that mm able 1 on 1 with assassin during that stage. If mm late game still unable to fight back, why dun juz pick assasin for gold lane? the fork still have players thinking assasin should dominate from early to late game. not skill issue but also mindset issue bro😅
Then let mage do the job. My team faced layla yesterday, her kda was 16 8 12. She fed in early but later became strong. Luckily, our kagura 1 shot her then we won lol
There are two types of Layla: either she feeds her enemies all the time, OR she farms carefully, occupying an advantageous position, and tears down everyone in her path. There is no other way out.
But I don't get it. Layla struggles a lot in early game. That late game power spike is deserved. Especially if you didn't bother shutting her down early. Experienced players should be playing with such details in mind. I've been getting a lot of Laylas lately in my game. She's stronger than before but not really 'unfair'. You can counter her if you know what you are doing.
Exactly I don’t get why there is so much comments here saying to nerf her range when it’s literally what makers her kit? She struggles a lot in early and she can easily get catched of guard with the current popular meta picks full of assassins and tanky heroes Just don’t leave her alone farming and gank her regularly and the job is done that works with all mm tbh But her range and late game advantage is deserved for her extreme lacks of mobility and escape skills
Please don't nerf her to the ground, let her shine for sometimes.. the meta shouldn't always beatrix,clint,claude,granger,brody.. let the underrated one rising up!!
I think Layla is balanced now, Before she is useless, she is like troll hero But now she is fine, Yes her dmg is high with long atk range, But still, she is easy target for most assasin If moonton nerf her again, She will back to be troll hero again
Layla has an extremely long range. Playing against her is like getting hit from another town, and by basic attacks, not skills, like lesley's ult. She can outrange most mages. Ans assassins can't even get close to her if she has good team support. Only some burst fighters can deal with her, and only when their team is distracted. I think a minor nerf would be good to give assassins and mages some chance. Her 2nd skill stun duration should be reduced by a tiny bit.
Simple nerf, but effective. Put a special passive to either Layla or the malefic gun where Layla can't extend her range by the malefic gun's passive and vice versa (the malefic gun can't extend the range of heroes with a bigger range than a certain amount).
That's moonton if they want to sell skins or even promoting their game or certain heroes, theyll buff it and those heroes that opposes or counters it will receive a sudden nerf.Good job on moonton for those kind of adjustments now the game is really imbalanced.
Easier mm have better damage output compared to harder mm. That's the problem. Kids, i mean players would instinctively pick easier mm like Layla and Miya.
before malefic gun even gets buff, she still hits pretty damn hard because montoon has adjusted her raw power and damage bonus passive as so her close damage still hurts than having relying her passive to deal higher damage which is hard to do against divers malefic gun buff makes her range a nightmare, effectively doubling her overall reach, she was so good that i take pubs with Layla or Miya over Hanabi nowadays
And we thought lesley was a nightmare back then look at layla now 2-3 shots with the highest range in the game even bigger then lesley they really made her broken
Fun fact: layla's damage is actually the same as before when she gets revamp but when she got the attribute adjustment previously, she went op. Its the assasin emblem set that makes her extremely painful due to high penetration now i can see why she is deserving to be get nerfed
some mages... not all. Cec can actually zone Layla and burst coz of his stun capabilities and range. harith is a damn good counter coz he stays in close with constant shield. its all situational.... However, dare you let her get her LG build its extremely difficult to overcome her. she stands in one spot and picks off everyone and everything
I say rather than nerfing her, moonton should buff sustainable playstyle more, nowadays playing bulky and sustain heroes feel so obselete because it get countered in all kinds of way, thanks to the burst heavy and mobility dependent meta..even if you go full tank build you still get demolish easily because the enemy would either outran you while poking you with outrageous damage or they will just outright burst you so fast you have no way of fighting back
I'm friend with a solo layla main with supreme title. I've known him for 2 years, and looking at his game history, I don't see much difference before and after the appearance of malefic gun
Layla is balance in terms of damage, but she needs a nerf on her range. With malefic gun, her range is so wide that, sometimes, it's impossible to counter her in the late game. Her passive increases her range as her ultimate levels up, so it would be nice if MG has a range limit for Layla's passive or nerf her range like make it smaller on level 1 than her OG server range (make her range with MG similar to her level 12 range)
Please don't, she's already such a glass cannon hero that heavily depends on the game being dragged on to late. Even in this meta, she's not top pick because her range hardly means anything when she's constantly being ganked, she's just that squishy
the game's statistics say otherwise, she's currently in top 5 in mythic, (which is where the mythical glory players currently are), and she's in top 5 too last season in mythical glory and above, so she's a priority pick in higher ranks after malefic gun's buff until now, get your facts right...
@fromAshesReborn24 literally just checked the official game statistics website and she's on the 26th on top pick for the last 30 days, so who got their facts wrong here? Also checking the mythic rank is not the same with mythical glory or even honor, why do you think the official website itself separates them? Lower mythic ranks are not on the same level as the glory players Edit: layla is 26th on win rate, that was a mistake I made, she's 127th in pick rate for mythic rank which is still hilarious. The website's data was updated today, 17th January so it's an accurate data
@@insertname9514 sorry but I just checked it again, she's currently top 2 in mythic, you must've saw the "winrate" section, popularity in meta wise can be seen in "pickrate", again, get your facts right...
@@insertname9514 and please, you can wait for "mythical glory and above" section for proper meta accuracy, she's also a top pick there last season, and I know she will be again this season when it's updated, you can argue with wall... again, winrate and pickrate are different, lol😛
I really love those teammate who just revived, hold forward button going to battlefield while looking at other things, as if its sure no one will be in between waiting for them. Especially freaking gold lane role hoarder then blame roam not helping thats why he died
Layla is still doable. Haya and Zhuxin has been on the ban for 3 seasons. That's like a whole year. Come on, they need the nerf hammer. You have destroyed terizla with nerfs in just some days, nerf those 2.
it's true, but just to remind you that her pickrate has been slowly increasing in higher ranks before even kelra picked her, it just got faster after the tournament...
Layla is already easy to kill, nerf her will make it even worse. The key to killing Layla is a surprise attack with high DPS. If you didn't do a surprised attack with high DPS or CC and just try to hit her from range, you won't be able to beat her because her focus hero character is attack range. Every hero has their own unique focus hero character, Natalia can go invisible, Helcurt can blind you, and Fanny can show up out of nowhere and swing her blade at you. A hero character is a hero character. Don't make them lose their identity as a hero character.
Layla is easy to kill if there's an ambush or camp hero. Why need to nerf? You can pick assassins like Fanny, Ling, Saber, Helcurt and Hayabusa. For burst heroes you can pick Kagura, Vale and Eudora. For sustain heroes you can pick Argus, Belerick and Gatot. For stun heroes you can pick Selena, Guinever and Chou.
no one using physical armor that's why basic attack mm like miya or layla become powerfull just use blade armor to counter them or use tank like belerick, hylos and gatotkaca
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Instead of nerfing her moonton should buff item to counter her. Attk Slow effect on dominance ice is mediocre even with multiple user. Antique cuirass falls hard in lategame with all the pen item. If u r behind and low on gold its really hard to switch item Blade armor passive is trash only works good on tanky heros amount of damage reflected should be increased.
Fighting against Layla's range is annoying but letting her reach to this point is your own fault. She is a late game hero, just like Aldous and Cecilion, you want to finish the game fast before this monster reach its peak.
Naaah, you can win almost every game with 2 factor: a good roamer who can tank and 1 other player with map awareness. Especially when you want to take down objectives. Both also must have knowledge about item counter and you'll be fine for most game in solo.
Hindi naman kailangan i nerf ni layla Balance lang na hero yan Ipapanerf mo tapos wala na ngang blink yang hero na yan Gusto pa ata bawasan ang range Kaya naman mapitas yan depende nalang din sa kakampi
Can you stop complaining over everything? Layla was a troll pick for years and now she is finally a balanced hero now you call that overpower?. Please because of you there are some heroes that got nerfed badly.
layla is already strong before. It’s just that old players doesn’t know how to position her properly ang tank always leave her and blame layla at the end.
Actually, Layla always op except assassin meta. Player don't like to buy mini life steal in early game, so moneytoon make Haa Claw to be the first of most DPS first item. (For survive in early, don't rely roamer) MM Player don't like to buy Malefic Roar? Moneytoon create a new Malefic(Gun) for range DPS. Want join meta? Buy this be your second item! (most tank is also have both def in this timing.) Until now, I still see ton of baby mm need baby sister and can't carry late game🙃 (Voice from long year of roamer)
Mas deserve ba ng mga basic hero na ma nerf? Minsan na nga lang mag meta mga yan e Mas deserve pa nga ma nerf ng mga hero na matatagal na sa meta Ayaw nyo ba makakita sa mga Pro Scene na maiba naman ang Meta hindi yong puro nalang paulit ulit na pick zhuxin, granger, etc. Minsan nalang mahaluan ng Basic Hero 🙂
she'll be more op if they'll add the revamp of malefic gun where the range will be permanent 😂. But if there's layla I'll just pick lesley since i can counter her with wind of nature but she can't counter Lesley's 2-3 true damage
Layla is fine as she is right now. There are ways to counter her, just that most of them wouldn't work in solo queue 😂 so yeah, the ban section is your best ally. I mean, the number of op heroes that can't be countered aren't that many currently so you can afford at least 1 slot for layla right?
Nerf Layla huh? Just fix your gameplay before you want to nerf her😏. I mean, why don't we give Layla and Miya some time to shine? Let's also hope that Kimmy and Hanabi will follow them into the meta later.
Even me who’s been a Sun main thinks he needs a nerf now, not even fun to play him anymore since you easily destroy your enemies while barely trying🤷🏼♂️😫
Nerf layla?.. now that's a statement from Moonton expected to hear!! I guess Moonton is really trying hard to make mlbb friendly for new players and old stuck on Epic for forever... Unlike Miya, Layla is still not a good puck in high rank Solo quee lobby...
layla is already strong before she is weak in early game and needs a good tank that is why she is still balanced not OP. The most annoying now is Miya and Granger which makes them the most op even in early game most especially Miya without item can kill squishy heroes easily
She was always troll pick. Now she i getting the attention she deserves but some epics who dont know how to counter her wants to nerf her. While granger is too much op
Nah, Granger deserves the nerf more. Layla have never shine this bright before, but at least she can be countered. Granger? Nah that hero just makes the mm users even more braindead than before.
Layla became the most trollest hero in mlbb to the most op marksman of today 💀
She was never bad. People just dont know how to use her properly, the first time she got a revamp she was already super good. I have a friend who mains Layla and every single time he picks her, its a guarantee win. Not a single match where we lose while hes using Layla.
It's not a troll pick, old meta playere are just so shitty they just automatically blame layla when they are the ones lacking, like how the saying "zilong is bonus round" . Layla's a lot more OP than before, from 145% extra dmg to 130% to now 115%.
Nah, granger more OP in this meta,
Layla easy to counter, but granger is extremely annoying
She's already good since her 2nd skill range buff
Actually Layla can kill Granger with 3 hits just from afar.@@bangkecicek5413
This is part of the reasons i spammed roam Helcurt since last season. On one hand, he's one of the best allies for Layla and other MM to grab those crucial early kills and snowball out of control. On the other hand, when matched AGAINST them, he can completely shut them down during the laning phase and prevent any attempts from them to recover their networth thorought the game.
The best thing that made him better than roam Saber is that he could jump anyone EVERY 5 SECONDS (as in, depends on his 1st skill's CD) compared to Saber and his 20-ish seconds CD on ult. Also, thanks to his passive and ult, he could easily escape from almost every failed ganks, which make him not as high risk as Saber.
I know that with Helcurt you'll sacrifice a lot of utilities from other roamers, but Layla is currently strong enough that all she needs is a small distraction on opposing dive heroes and she'll clean up every enemies in teamfights all by herself
Can you share your build and your talent used?
@@Sir67-2 Emblem+talents : Custom Assassin - Rupture(PEN) - Master Assassin - Lethal Ignition
Battle Spell : Petrify
Build : Brown boots - Fury Hammer - CD boots - Blade of Heptaseas - DHS - Sky Piercer - BOD - Malefic Roar.
Against regen heroes, you could buy Sea Halberd after DHS, but the dmg from his combo + follow up from his team is often enough to burst them down and it's not really necessary with Glowing Wand being everywhere.
And to counter helcurt roam, i always pick eudora roam.
She's a better counter for helcurt.
And pesky assasin that try to get in layla's panties.
@@Ornyl Glad that it works for you, but i personally never had any trouble against Eudora or other bush campers with Helcurt simply because of his "map-hack" passive.
Whenever i see my screen's edge become darker and my Helcurt ran faster, i'll always jump to the closest bush and 80% of the time there's a camper there, at which point the 1st skill's Fear CC often gave enough time for me to burst them instead.
My point is countering Helcurt with bush camping is pretry tricky especially if his user's awareness is good, so you better prepare to burst him IMMEDIEATELY after he comes in your vision, otherwise he'll either jump you first or he'll ran away from the bush you're in.
@youagain8447 who said about bush camping?
You will always attack the easiest target, so all i need is hero lock mode and spam my skill.
If ixia uses ult, you'll definitely aim her , so i just have to wait.
And if u don't, ixia or layla will keep attacking.
Although not possible in low ranks cuz of how dumb they can be.
The problem with Layla is she can hit you.. from places where you can't even see her..
Learn to shut down late game heroes early. It's not a problem if you know how to play against certain compositions. And higher ranked players should know it. Layla is good. Not a bad pick anymore. But she's not broken either. People are just losing their mind on the fact that an immobile late game mm can do so much if you let her farm easily and reach late game. Like yeah bro, no shit. It's supposed to be that way. I still get Laylas who feed early game and just lose the game. And I also got some who knew what they were doing.
some fed laylas are getting cocky on late game, use this on your advantage, you'll find an opening with this
i usually pick something like atlas so layla dont have filcker lol and tats like sitting duck ready to be killed for fighter and assassin
@@rimurutem-pest3604 That works . But sometimes you get teammates who ignore your pings and keep farming minions (even though they are like 5 seconds away from where you are setting)when you catch a Layla. Then after you get killed they will 'correct' you by saying that you are a tank not a fighter. You shouldn't be jumping in like that. Like bro, pay attention to the pings.
@@fauzumn1029 Especially the ones that walk into a bush first instead of their tank or fighter being with them lol. They start getting kills and think they are invincible now. XD
2020: *Layla get first blood* [Squidward sleeping meme]
2024: *Layla get first blood* [Squidward's eye wide open]
This is what happens when item perfectly fits its owner
Just had a game with absolute chad...
A layla player with 8.7k gold on exactly 6 min into the match... With a kda of 3/4/8
*Looks at Aulus*
Remember when starlium scythe was a Karina item?
@@pat1r1ck what? Do you mean the Shadow Twinblades one?
Imagine if Kadita could use the item Sea Halberd 💀💀
Sea Halberd passive: When low HP, the user of this item can use the river side of the map to swim. The speed of swimming if converted to land is 85 movement speed.
Kadita passive: if Kadita is underwater, her skills get enhanced. Resulting in bigger aoe skills and stronger cc.
Rip Kadita Perma ban 😂
The adjustments on Rose Gold Meteor also indirectly buffs her as well. Now she has some sustain (although not a lot, but from Haas' Claw, Rose Gold Meteor, and Wind Of Nature and adding the Marksmen Emblem already gave her 20 hybrid defense and a shield from RGM (because the effects are reduced for non fighters), physical immunity from WoN, and a bunch of lifesteals). Although countering her is easy, if she gets a really good teammates she became extremely annoying to deal with.
Idk about you but its either rgm or won, not both. That's too much lifesteal and not enough damage. Too much lifesteal is a problem for mm bcuz they have never had a big enough hp pool to justify that much regen in the first place. Plus, if you want to sustain as an mm, then you're probably better suited playing a fighter.
@kurukuru4120 Layla already have enough damage from the passive against squishes. I always build 3 of them then sell the boots later in late game.
@shinhikaru ayo no boot layla how do you even run.
@@kurukuru4120 I usually do that in the late game. Still buy boots in early.
I once faced layla with Suyou, we only have one dive and that is me, they got a really proactive tank, brawler xp and fk tonnes of CC. Its a freakin nightmare
As someone who's occasionally obliterated by Layla, please DON'T NERF her. Most of the time I lost against Layla is because of bad draft, like lack of assasins heroes. Otherwise Layla is completely fine. Meta yes but doesn't need to be nerfed
Yes, they must nerf the item
@Carnalevi no I don't think so, nerfing Malefic Gun only make it useless except for Layla only. If nerfing is mandatory, then I choose to nerf Layla instead
I think I've seen a video somewhere about advance server where they nerf Layla's Attack Growth, from 10 to 8.5
Yeah, one of the bigger reasons for Layla's dominance is because most of the assassins that reliably counter her are banned most of the time like Hayabusa and Saber.
Yes, there are still other assassins to pick but they're either too gambling (Ling and Fanny, you better wish you get their godlike mains or else that's an easy defeat), got outranged and often died before reaching her (Nolan, Yin, Joy), or simply have too many issues against the other meta picks (Karina, Paquito, Hanzo)
Lmao they nerf Miya, of course layle need nerf but not too much@@youagain8447
Layla really said "Time to shine"
that's a given though, since she's been shouting "time to die" from earlier ML and whenever she said that, she got killed.
There's no nerf needed , she's very easy to killed, layla was meant to outranges other hero because that's her kits. Altho ixia has better survivability than her , it's a shame no one bother picking ixia if enemy has layla instead they picked a marksman with small range that are food to her
Miya and Lesley can counter her if played right, Brody as well but it's riskier since he'd have to get real close and personal
You'd be surprised who got nerfed today's adv patch
The nerf doesn't affect range, so it's just a little nerf. The pain when facing Layla is Range
@@Dasligma69 lesley cannot counter Layla , unless Layla was caught by surprise in a bush , if layla 1st skill landed and hit lesley when she's on conceal , it's game over
@@BaeYeonSae. I use malefic gun against her lmao, just poke 2 times and then use ult far away
This should be a "please Nerf granger". That rat got a whole revamp, and he was op beforehand. THEY NEED TO GIVE KAGURA A REVAMP. GIVE HER A DAM 4TH SKILL. MAKE HER EVEN MORE OP LIKE GRANGER.
skill issue if you think kagura is weak lol
@@g6a0912Exactly lol she’s so good if you know how to play her
@@g6a0912 Facts
@@g6a0912 I was number 5 kagura in America. I don't think she's weak; I'm just a simp.
Lol old late game Granger can't sustain though
I hope they don't nerf layla but buff blade armor instead
Tank will still need buy Dominance.
-All tank users.
They nerf her attack growth, so no worry
And basic attack range damage from 140 to 115.
This would be bad, don't forget she has no mobility and cc @@m.ds7993
Pov: when I used a tank hero in ml and was melted by Layla who wasn't even visible yet ;)
Bro got off screened 🤣🤣
Use tank with vengeance, blade armor and dominance ice
The problem is that it will take some time for tank to build items@@HotohoriTasuki24
Some of yall don't necessarily understand on how ridiculously powerful she become. True shes a mm so naturally she can be easily be killed... But the thing is almost all mm in late game is hard to kill even ling and fanny do struggle abit targeting layla on late game because before they can get close they already be on half hp.
And if yall saying skill issue then isn't a given in high rank games to actually safeguard your mm? And naturally go and kill mms?
@@ichiro1784 Yeah, even though you have 2/6/3 kda in early game there’s still a high chance that you will dominate the game just because of the *RANGE*
@hendrixignacio YES! Like the sheer amount of frustration i built up because of that stupid range. Im a mage main and lately i love pharsa and the first time i go up against with a poorly fed layla it was like a "ohh pharsa can counter this cu*t nice"....oh little did i know on late game that bi*ch can reach me even on pharsas ult and the worst part i didn't realized it
thats how the mm works in late game, its normal that mm able 1 on 1 with assassin during that stage.
If mm late game still unable to fight back, why dun juz pick assasin for gold lane? the fork still have players thinking assasin should dominate from early to late game.
not skill issue but also mindset issue bro😅
Then let mage do the job. My team faced layla yesterday, her kda was 16 8 12. She fed in early but later became strong. Luckily, our kagura 1 shot her then we won lol
That's why hero pick off is needed for killing layla. For setter tanker is hard to catch her now.
There are two types of Layla: either she feeds her enemies all the time,
OR she farms carefully, occupying an advantageous position, and tears down everyone in her path. There is no other way out.
Or the one who farms carefully but their team let them down by not contributing to the team
Yes I'm talking with experience
But I don't get it. Layla struggles a lot in early game. That late game power spike is deserved. Especially if you didn't bother shutting her down early. Experienced players should be playing with such details in mind. I've been getting a lot of Laylas lately in my game. She's stronger than before but not really 'unfair'. You can counter her if you know what you are doing.
Exactly I don’t get why there is so much comments here saying to nerf her range when it’s literally what makers her kit? She struggles a lot in early and she can easily get catched of guard with the current popular meta picks full of assassins and tanky heroes
Just don’t leave her alone farming and gank her regularly and the job is done that works with all mm tbh
But her range and late game advantage is deserved for her extreme lacks of mobility and escape skills
I only ever struggle with her if I’m laning against 3 while my team is losing to 2
Sometimes you can’t even see in your phone how some enemy got killed because of her range lol
Please don't nerf her to the ground, let her shine for sometimes.. the meta shouldn't always beatrix,clint,claude,granger,brody.. let the underrated one rising up!!
Right now, the META for goldlane is: Moskov, Harith, Granger, Iri and sometimes Claude, Bea, Wanwan, Mel and Bruno
Moskov is garbage.
huhu its bcuz of malefic gun item that makes her meta just nerf the item not her🙃🙃
Brody! 😂😂😂 His slow ass ain't killing no one late game
@@chadfr1013 yeah he's so slow
No nerf need, IMO, the problem was the permanent range of Malefic Gun, but if someone chooses Layla, pick Ixia.
I think Layla is balanced now,
Before she is useless, she is like troll hero
But now she is fine, Yes her dmg is high with long atk range, But still, she is easy target for most assasin
If moonton nerf her again, She will back to be troll hero again
Layla has an extremely long range. Playing against her is like getting hit from another town, and by basic attacks, not skills, like lesley's ult. She can outrange most mages. Ans assassins can't even get close to her if she has good team support. Only some burst fighters can deal with her, and only when their team is distracted. I think a minor nerf would be good to give assassins and mages some chance. Her 2nd skill stun duration should be reduced by a tiny bit.
Everytime i see someone pick layla i always pick karina
Doesnt matter if im jungle/exp/roam
She's a very good counter
Simple nerf, but effective. Put a special passive to either Layla or the malefic gun where Layla can't extend her range by the malefic gun's passive and vice versa (the malefic gun can't extend the range of heroes with a bigger range than a certain amount).
That's moonton if they want to sell skins or even promoting their game or certain heroes, theyll buff it and those heroes that opposes or counters it will receive a sudden nerf.Good job on moonton for those kind of adjustments now the game is really imbalanced.
Easier mm have better damage output compared to harder mm. That's the problem.
Kids, i mean players would instinctively pick easier mm like Layla and Miya.
Bruh Layla isn't easy to play early-mid game when the enemy has a good assassin and mage. If you're destroyed by a Layla, blame yourself
@@pestbasin20407yes it's so hard to press basic attack
people used to think I'm trolling when i used her ... to banned layla/ first pick layla
before malefic gun even gets buff, she still hits pretty damn hard because montoon has adjusted her raw power and damage bonus passive as so her close damage still hurts than having relying her passive to deal higher damage which is hard to do against divers
malefic gun buff makes her range a nightmare, effectively doubling her overall reach, she was so good that i take pubs with Layla or Miya over Hanabi nowadays
And we thought lesley was a nightmare back then look at layla now 2-3 shots with the highest range in the game even bigger then lesley they really made her broken
Fun fact: layla's damage is actually the same as before when she gets revamp but when she got the attribute adjustment previously, she went op. Its the assasin emblem set that makes her extremely painful due to high penetration now i can see why she is deserving to be get nerfed
If a single basic attack of a dps does more damage than a mage's skills there's a problem
some mages... not all. Cec can actually zone Layla and burst coz of his stun capabilities and range.
harith is a damn good counter coz he stays in close with constant shield.
its all situational....
However, dare you let her get her LG build its extremely difficult to overcome her. she stands in one spot and picks off everyone and everything
@@daiyaanbester6644 I played her for fun against a moskov I one shot him from miles away that is not balanced
I say rather than nerfing her, moonton should buff sustainable playstyle more, nowadays playing bulky and sustain heroes feel so obselete because it get countered in all kinds of way, thanks to the burst heavy and mobility dependent meta..even if you go full tank build you still get demolish easily because the enemy would either outran you while poking you with outrageous damage or they will just outright burst you so fast you have no way of fighting back
I'm friend with a solo layla main with supreme title. I've known him for 2 years, and looking at his game history, I don't see much difference before and after the appearance of malefic gun
Layla is balance in terms of damage, but she needs a nerf on her range. With malefic gun, her range is so wide that, sometimes, it's impossible to counter her in the late game. Her passive increases her range as her ultimate levels up, so it would be nice if MG has a range limit for Layla's passive or nerf her range like make it smaller on level 1 than her OG server range (make her range with MG similar to her level 12 range)
Yea, you need a good assassin for her
Her easy playstyle still performs the same or even better than other MM with more harder learning curves. That’s why.
Players:Layla is strong in the late, nerf her
Moonton: I understand your problem, we will nerf Wanwan.
Please don't, she's already such a glass cannon hero that heavily depends on the game being dragged on to late. Even in this meta, she's not top pick because her range hardly means anything when she's constantly being ganked, she's just that squishy
the game's statistics say otherwise, she's currently in top 5 in mythic, (which is where the mythical glory players currently are), and she's in top 5 too last season in mythical glory and above, so she's a priority pick in higher ranks after malefic gun's buff until now, get your facts right...
@fromAshesReborn24 literally just checked the official game statistics website and she's on the 26th on top pick for the last 30 days, so who got their facts wrong here?
Also checking the mythic rank is not the same with mythical glory or even honor, why do you think the official website itself separates them? Lower mythic ranks are not on the same level as the glory players
Edit: layla is 26th on win rate, that was a mistake I made, she's 127th in pick rate for mythic rank which is still hilarious. The website's data was updated today, 17th January so it's an accurate data
@@insertname9514 sorry but I just checked it again, she's currently top 2 in mythic, you must've saw the "winrate" section, popularity in meta wise can be seen in "pickrate", again, get your facts right...
@@insertname9514 I also checked all the rank category and even the last 30 days section, she's consistently been in top 5 so what do you mean?💀
@@insertname9514 and please, you can wait for "mythical glory and above" section for proper meta accuracy, she's also a top pick there last season, and I know she will be again this season when it's updated, you can argue with wall...
again, winrate and pickrate are different, lol😛
I really love those teammate who just revived, hold forward button going to battlefield while looking at other things, as if its sure no one will be in between waiting for them. Especially freaking gold lane role hoarder then blame roam not helping thats why he died
Layla is still doable.
Haya and Zhuxin has been on the ban for 3 seasons.
That's like a whole year.
Come on, they need the nerf hammer.
You have destroyed terizla with nerfs in just some days, nerf those 2.
That's why i use gatot and lock her when i see her on the map.
layla got a higher pick rate ever since kelra (the world m6 mvp) played it on the stage 😅 that’s why this happened
it's true, but just to remind you that her pickrate has been slowly increasing in higher ranks before even kelra picked her, it just got faster after the tournament...
Layla is already easy to kill, nerf her will make it even worse.
The key to killing Layla is a surprise attack with high DPS.
If you didn't do a surprised attack with high DPS or CC and just try to hit her from range, you won't be able to beat her
because her focus hero character is attack range.
Every hero has their own unique focus hero character, Natalia can go invisible, Helcurt can blind you, and Fanny can show up out of nowhere and swing her blade at you.
A hero character is a hero character. Don't make them lose their identity as a hero character.
Well... She was the most hated troll.. So now she shines 😂
Can you stop complaining, I think you're the reason why a lot of characters get nerfed
Maybe... praying he keeps complaining :)
Maybe he's not the only reason, but it is indeed annoying to see people complaining when a hero starts getting popular
@@Boltz4 he??! it's a girl
@ThujozoR Hororo? It's a boy, he confirmed it.
@@Boltz4 wheree
Literally got nerfed yesterday in advance server lol
Layla is easy to kill if there's an ambush or camp hero. Why need to nerf? You can pick assassins like Fanny, Ling, Saber, Helcurt and Hayabusa. For burst heroes you can pick Kagura, Vale and Eudora. For sustain heroes you can pick Argus, Belerick and Gatot. For stun heroes you can pick Selena, Guinever and Chou.
no one using physical armor that's why basic attack mm like miya or layla become powerfull
just use blade armor to counter them or use tank like belerick, hylos and gatotkaca
Even if moonton issues out a survey I'll say no to nerfing layla this is what happens when you don't pick a normal jungler but go with "tank" junglers
Never thought that alot of players got killed by Layla off-screen until I read the comments.
Layla, sun, and badang become meta. This is what i like from moba game.
never in my 7 years of playing ml i thought layla will be top ban
Moonton just brainlessly buffed her
If Moonton had a team like Riot employees today, I'm sure they would value the demands of players and create a more playable game. Now MLBB team; new skins and collaborations are on the way !!!
Instead of nerfing her moonton should buff item to counter her.
Attk Slow effect on dominance ice is mediocre even with multiple user.
Antique cuirass falls hard in lategame with all the pen item. If u r behind and low on gold its really hard to switch item
Blade armor passive is trash only works good on tanky heros amount of damage reflected should be increased.
That franco is really good too. He has that godly hook
Saw a layla, get helcurt + Zilong Chang Pan Bo skin, she will forever stay in base
Sarah Miller Crews might be becoming my favourite voice actor now
Fighting against Layla's range is annoying but letting her reach to this point is your own fault. She is a late game hero, just like Aldous and Cecilion, you want to finish the game fast before this monster reach its peak.
Naaah, you can win almost every game with 2 factor: a good roamer who can tank and 1 other player with map awareness. Especially when you want to take down objectives. Both also must have knowledge about item counter and you'll be fine for most game in solo.
Hindi naman kailangan i nerf ni layla
Balance lang na hero yan
Ipapanerf mo tapos wala na ngang blink yang hero na yan
Gusto pa ata bawasan ang range
Kaya naman mapitas yan depende nalang din sa kakampi
Advanced Server: she actually got nerfed
"Ask, and you shalk receive" cuz they just nerfed her in the advanced server 🙌
Hey moonton how about.... YOU BUFF ARMOR ITEMS?
I think shutting her down with early strong hero's like granger does the trick. Even lesly is pretty good if you play well, and ixia.
Can you stop complaining over everything? Layla was a troll pick for years and now she is finally a balanced hero now you call that overpower?. Please because of you there are some heroes that got nerfed badly.
layla is already strong before. It’s just that old players doesn’t know how to position her properly ang tank
always leave her and blame
layla at the end.
Actually, Layla always op except assassin meta.
Player don't like to buy mini life steal in early game, so moneytoon make Haa Claw to be the first of most DPS first item. (For survive in early, don't rely roamer)
MM Player don't like to buy Malefic Roar? Moneytoon create a new Malefic(Gun) for range DPS. Want join meta? Buy this be your second item! (most tank is also have both def in this timing.)
Until now, I still see ton of baby mm need baby sister and can't carry late game🙃
(Voice from long year of roamer)
I don't know why but I always feels like her blazing skin give a smooth gameplay
Imo layla downside is no escape mechanism.
But as she got mini stun now it's quite annoying with good backup layla is indeed OP.
The only possible nerf for layla is bad teammates
I had a feeling Laylas meta is coming earlier before this year because I noticed the buffs she gets though it's slower now she's here 😌
Yup she is crazy. Enemy need to really focus on her by ambush her in early and built physical def item
When i play layla there is no protective tank or sun ☀️ to protect me like a barrier 😂
Mas deserve ba ng mga basic hero na ma nerf?
Minsan na nga lang mag meta mga yan e
Mas deserve pa nga ma nerf ng mga hero na matatagal na sa meta
Ayaw nyo ba makakita sa mga Pro Scene na maiba naman ang Meta hindi yong puro nalang paulit ulit na pick zhuxin, granger, etc.
Minsan nalang mahaluan ng Basic Hero 🙂
Layla is heartache for tankers now. She can melted every tank even belerick 🥲
And you can't even see her😂
she'll be more op if they'll add the revamp of malefic gun where the range will be permanent 😂. But if there's layla I'll just pick lesley since i can counter her with wind of nature but she can't counter Lesley's 2-3 true damage
Let her shine for a long time, is been 5+ years since she got bullied by Players 😅
it's just Layla but this shows Moonton is not fit to operate AOS game. they don't know why users are leaving MLBB.
Dont neft her . She is balance now ! Let’s her shine for 1 time PLEASE
No need for nerf. She is far worse than heroes like fanny ling zilong dyrroth and the likes. So please do not nerf her
too late, they nerf her base growth attack
Layla is fine as she is right now. There are ways to counter her, just that most of them wouldn't work in solo queue 😂 so yeah, the ban section is your best ally. I mean, the number of op heroes that can't be countered aren't that many currently so you can afford at least 1 slot for layla right?
Nerf Layla huh? Just fix your gameplay before you want to nerf her😏. I mean, why don't we give Layla and Miya some time to shine? Let's also hope that Kimmy and Hanabi will follow them into the meta later.
Even me who’s been a Sun main thinks he needs a nerf now, not even fun to play him anymore since you easily destroy your enemies while barely trying🤷🏼♂️😫
Nerf layla?.. now that's a statement from Moonton expected to hear!!
I guess Moonton is really trying hard to make mlbb friendly for new players and old stuck on Epic for forever...
Unlike Miya, Layla is still not a good puck in high rank Solo quee lobby...
Layla is kinda okay, but Granger, that thing scares me.
0:55 a little??
I just know that granger lightborn now has a new skill sound(i know its out of topic but whatever)
i hate when layla mains play in my team because they ruin my game everytime + miya players but when enemy picks layla they play like a pro player
layla is already strong before she is weak in early game and needs a good tank that is why she is still balanced not OP. The most annoying now is Miya and Granger which makes them the most op even in early game most especially Miya without item can kill squishy heroes easily
Meanwhile Saber in the Bush: "Hello There"😁
The nerf is unnecessary, she's still vulnerable. Give it to Hanabi, she's been outshined and dropped to rock bottom of the Marksmen Tier.
When you think about it.. her first skill is like Clint's ult + passive combo but deadlier 💀
She was always troll pick. Now she i getting the attention she deserves but some epics who dont know how to counter her wants to nerf her. While granger is too much op
A good player or not if you can't catch her late game, your team are in a big trouble
u can be op marksman if ur tank can help u laning
Say whatever you might, but I love her aussie accent in the balzing bounties skin.😂😂
Imagine Layla becomes a real tank in the future XD (tank build)
Nah, Granger deserves the nerf more. Layla have never shine this bright before, but at least she can be countered. Granger? Nah that hero just makes the mm users even more braindead than before.
To be fair, it's hard to play Lyla without a baby sitter
Last match Layla was hunting Eudora and saber...
Layla dont needs any nerf
if her flickers on cooldown she is just like a sitting duck tbh