If Every Legend Had A 5 Year Career...
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- Опубликовано: 22 июл 2024
- Longevity has an influence of how we view and rank the NBA legends... but if we got rid of that influence, and instead compared players based on their best 5 years? Who was the best when they were at their best?
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@@jonnyarnett how you doing? last time i had an interaction with you was months ago
One thing I would like to say about the 60s is that there where more field goal attempts because there was no 3 point line, also if you take away 7% of the rebounds wilt and russel had (because of the lower shooting percentage) they would still be far ahead of everyone else since dennis had nearly 6k while wilt had 9k. Another thing to point out is that faster pace of play isnt a justification to why they had so many rebounds because it's not a bad thing. Even if wilt and bill played today they would grab similar amounts of rebounds. I pointed out the 3 point line earlier because even a half court shot would be counted as a field goal which is why it seems so low. Next time you should adjust the stats without the inflation just to see how good they would be regardless if it was inflation or not. I just found it a little bit disingenuous and unfair to the 60s players that u would say that but I still like your video. Another thing is that for players like dennis you should include years where they played less than 50 games because that was common occurrence, you should exclude seasons based on them being outliers and not based on a random number like 50 games.
@@kermit1056 I'm doing well! Other than the fact that my injured Lakers are falling apart. lol. Appreciate you dropping in as always
I heard around an hour ago, R.I.P. Elgin Baylor, you were terribly underrated.
Elgin Baylor, he definitely is one of the all time greats.
History has neglected his legacy as the offensive equivalent of Bill Russell as a breakthrough player. Baylor was the first African-American in the NBA to average at least 20 points and double-digit rebounds for a season, and he did it as Rookie of the Year in 1958-59. His offensive exploits would soon be overshadowed by Chamberlain, and he had to share the ball with the equally impressive Jerry West on his own team. I don't know when the term "hang time" came along, but I do know Baylor was the first to display that talent on an NBA court. His legacy will be available to everyone who is curious about the history of professional basketball. All it takes is checking the statistical leaders of his time, because his name is near the top year after year.
Rip Baylor
Learning of this now, RIP Elgin, all-time one of a kind.
@@blocker1928 Arguably the greatest player to never play on a championship playoff team (he retired too early in 1972, but the Lakers gave him a ring that year ANYWAY).
RIP Elgin Baylor shame his 38 ppg gets overlooked because he played 48 games he scored 61 in the finals against a prime bill Russell. Special player
"Before there was Michael Jordan doing amazing things in the air, there was Elgin Baylor! A true class act and great man" ~ Magic Johnson
he wasn't injured I think he was in the military service
Elgin and the big O are very underrated because of the time they played in
Obviously Kobe is the best player in Lakers history but Baylor is the reason the Lakers exist today because they would’ve gone bankrupt without him
I would have loved to see all those 60a and 50s players play today to see just how good they would be
Who’s here after the news that Elgin Baylor died 😢😭
He was a Lakers legend
Rip
@Ethan Hill I agree, he is underrated
Wait he did? Rip respect to that legend
Thank god he got to live his life
It's rough to learn this after watching Westphal's great (and especially appreciative, not only asked for Elgin as a guest but also wanted to take a minute of his occasion to exactly show appreciation to him and what he did) HOF enshrinement ceremony.
Two legends, Baylor will always be a special phenomenon.
Wilt and Russell were grabbing 3,000 more rebounds than anyone else in the greatest time for rebounds. That tells you something about exactly how good they were. Yes, rebounds were more plentiful, but they were plentiful for _everyone,_ and it was Wilt and Russell dominating.
If u adjust for inflation wilt is still just as good at rebounding as Rodman if not slightly less but it would be because of Rodmans passion for rebounding while wilt just picks up the ball when he sees it
Not really when if you adjust stats Rodman would become a better rebounder than wilt
@@yogrannybae5189 Rodman is an underrated rebounder by some, he's as good as Russell and wilt if not better, include moses malone in the best rebounders list aswell
@@yogrannybae5189 "if" and "adjust" don't combine with "stats".
@@emanuelr.desousa6878 I like the "36 minutes per game adjust" hehe So if Wilt played 48 minutes you just take away 25% of his stats?? How does that work?? Today's stat people just don't get it.....
Jordan is so hard to argue against. Not only did he put up numbers in a relatively desolate era for big numbers, but he also won at the highest level.
Idk dude, 2012-2016 Bron was also pretty insane, I think its up for debate
@@TheDesisgarf are you saying the wrong years were used in the video. The video used 2010-2014
@@Sf75178 in my opinion, yes. Although 2010-2014 has 1 more MVP and is probably better statistically, 2012-2016 doesnt include his horrific 2011 finals performance and it does include his 2016 finals performance, which is arguably the greatest finals performance ever. Also in 2015 he had a monstrous playoff run and single handedly took GSW to a 6 game series.
So idk, 2010-2014 was better in the regular season but overall Im going with 2012-2016
@@TheDesisgarf it would be good if the video included playoff stats just rings and FVMP but it only used regular season stats.
@@Sf75178 that kinda confused me because the whole video he only talked about the regular season but at the end he included rings and FMVP into each players portfolio.
I watched the ten year video yesterday for the second time thinking if he would make the 5 year video
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@@hadrianfaber2738 you can believe me or not but I promise you I watched it yesterday or at least the day before
Bro I promise you the same exact thing happened to me
Yoooo sameeee
Wow. I was gonna comment this and several of you did the same thing. Wtf?
I looked through the spreadsheet yest for about 30 mins and was wondering what the 5yr would be for certain players like tmac or rodman.
A lot of people forget that oscar Robertson and jerry west were both great defenders and they would probably be up there in steals if they were recorded back then
Jordan being number 3 on the all-time steals list is just insane. That guy was so in the zone on the court, not only one of the greatest scorers but also the greatest defenders.
It's sad that some stats were not collected back in the day for Wilt, Russell, etc., Wilt would probably have almost all records.
Nah Russel would gain all of the defensive records not wilt
Oh my god, you mj fans are so boring.
@@shadowduke1535 Wilt was as good a shot blocker as Russell, probably better. Steals is harder to evaluate from the unofficial stats and video archives. Russell would have won more DPOY, been All-Defense every year, and of course Finals MVP.
@@UnconventionalReasoning Wilt was actually a great stealer, one example, in the 1965 NBA Finals during the Havlicek Stole the ball, it was Wilt who stole the ball to Bill Russell in the final seconds of the game, and then Philly could have won the game if it wasn't for Havlicek stealing the ball to Philly.
I saw Wilt play and he was amazing. His strength, speed, jumping ability, and immense size are legendary. He was also extremely gifted and skilled. Wilt still holds a lot of NBA records and younger fans have no idea just how great and dominant he was. Wilt also led the NBA in assists one year when his coach asked him to be a facilitator because he had more talent around him. In my opinion Wilt is the GOAT and I saw all the players on that list. Of course, all the players on that list were so great but Wilt was different.
How old are you 95?
wilt is easily the greatest athlete to ever play in the NBA
Winning matters Wilt only won 2 titles and that was with another all time great in Jerry west
@@Killer23TrZ they only had 9 teams in the NBA during the 60s-70s and Wilt can't win a Chip? LOL! How is that great?
@@randymonster4105 lmao individuals win championships ? ROBERT HORRY HAS 7 RINGS !!! IS HE BETTER THAN MJ KOBE OR LEBRON ?!!!!!
i can sense the next vid is going to be best 1 month career and ofc it’s gon be the great JEREMY ‘LINSANITY’ LIN
I think Kobe, MJ, Lillard, Harden, Wilt and some others have at least one 40 ppg month.
@@nikosofidemporas hater it’s Lin
Lol
Didn’t James Harden average 40 a month at some point?
@@machoboys8884 Wilt said it once in an interview with Bill, he said that he averaged like 70 for the last 10 games, the season b4 his 50ppg season
RIP Elgin Baylor 😔❤️
The gem of RUclips has posted once more
Insane stuff. Wilt and Jordan untouchableness (if that was a word) can be shown here but from here we can really see guys like Kobe and Larry pop off
I swear he makes content of a 500k sub channel
I dont know how he hasn't blown up yet
Exactly I didn’t realise he didn’t even have 100k yet, I view him as like a jxmy high roller type channel
No, 1,000,000+ channel
I hope he reach those number soon.
@@lennybiker3451 me too
In my eyes, Alvin Robertson is a HOFer. He's a 4x all-star, a DPOY(one of only 5 guards), an MIP, has the most steals per game in a season(3.7), most steals per game in a career(2.7), the shortest DPOY ever, the shortest player to record a quadruple-double, the only guard to ever record a quadruple double, the only player to record a tripple double with steals, and a 6x all defensive player. He is one of the most underrated players in the history of the NBA. You could say he's not a hall of famer, but the stats don't lie, this man was a legend.
I grew up in Illinois during the Jordan era, and I listen to my dad go on and on about Wilt Chamberlain. It went in one ear and out the other the other, to me Jordan was unquestionably the greatest of all time .. But the more I see and hear of Wilt's accomplishments the more I doubt my convictions. He was awesome!
Yep, listen to your dad
He would take your breath away with the things he would do
Really enjoyed this one, just like the 10 year one as well, I think i like it so much because it involves literally all of nba history into one including the less relatively less exciting and the absolute peak of the nba as well (around 90-2010) and you do a magnificent job in going through all of it, you can maybe somehow create something like this and extend players careers, like if every player had a 20 year career or something like that
once again , aside big players, it shows how great MJ was.
MJ's career sucked outside the championship years. He's the 80s Russell Westbrook
MJ's 5 years was Ridiculous. He wasn't injured. He simply didn't want to play. Stupid video. He came back after more than a year, so he was refreshed. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@octopus8420 well, LeBron's career sucks even with the chips. He only led the league twice in 2 statistical categories, which are scoring and assists. He never won any DPOY. He only has 5 defensive 1st teams when he clearly is the biggest dude in his position. He has 4 MVPs in an 18-year career. He has 2 bronze medals until Kobe stepped in. And lastly, he lost 6 Finals series, 2 of which he was supposed to win (Dallas and 2014 SAS).
In hindsight, Jordan's 80s career is better than LeBron's whole career. 63pts vs Celtics, 40ppg twice in 2 playoff runs, MVP, DPOY and scoring champion in the same year, defensive selections, 2 slam dunk titles, 3 scoring titles, 3 steals titles.
@@jeraldvincentzumel5300 I was with you until you said 80s Jordan had a better career. I can understand 87-91 vs 2011-15, but 80s Jordan can’t compare to LeBrons full career.
@@jeraldvincentzumel5300 lol that gotta be the dumbest thing I ever read.
Bro so glad you did this video. Just watched the 10 yr video again and looked through the spreadsheet. Thanks for all this research!
Great video. It's good to see Alvin Robertson and McAdoo out there, they were beasts and a underrated players from the 70's and 80's. Also, Bird, Kareem, and Oscar Robertson are really underrated stretches of dominance in the league, those players could do everything in their prime.
Alvin Robertson belongs in jail.
Fantastic video! It just upsets me Wilt, Bill and even Kareem played a few years before some key stats were kept. Lastly, Rest In Peace Elgin Baylor, you were true Laker royalty.
What a great concept and an even better execution! Well done young fella. Very, very enjoyable to watch as usual!!
RIP Elgin Baylor. This was an awesome video Jonny! Thank you for the sequel. Also, I’m so stoked that you got sponsored. You deserve it. God Bless you Jonny!
jonny i absolutely love your content, thank you so much for making this stuff for us 🙏
You continue to publish the best basketball content anywhere. Thank you for the hard work.
You did it again! Excellent video, excellent data and a refreshing point of view.
I’ve been waiting for this one for so long!🙏🏼🙏🏼
Jonny really out here making creative, interesting, informative, and entertaining videos and still be this underrated.
"The Goat is the one who was the best he was at his best"
WILT CHAMBERLAIN period
In that 5 year stretch he won 0 rings, so no, definitely not the GOAT in my book. To me, the GOAT is NOT ONLY a winner but also individually THE person responsible for those wins at the highest level (rings).
@@giffengood I think it still comes down to LeBron and Jordan
@@giffengood if we talking first 5 years its probably Larry bird
@@giffengood in wilts 1st finals appearance he put up a good fight even blowing the Celtics out one game and all but 1 game of his 4 losses were close as hell so he had a serious chance of winning if he had taken a few extra shots that series, either way wilt single handedly carried a team to the finals and that isn't easy
You have to win as well as put up stats so no he’s not the goat
Man this was an awesome video!!! Really puts things in great perspective. I think a 3 seasons only video would provide for guys like Brandon Roy, D Rose, McGrady, Petrovic, etc. to possibly be in the mix. That would make things very interesting… Thanks for your work.
Thank you Jonny, I was waiting on this one and I can tell it’s gonna be awesome
Have I ever said i love this channel? Love it
At this point I'm very surprised he doesn't have more subscribers
Wow! I really enjoyed your stat vlog. Very informative.
Another awesome video! Keep up the great work!
Rest in peace Elgin Baylor. ( 1934 - 2021 )
Love your content man. Makes my day whenever you upload. Best Basketball Channel out there
Well comments like this make my day too. Thanks :)
@@jonnyarnett its just the truth. Can't deny the truth
Amazing content my basketball brother! You are the man! Thank You for all of you and your teams hard work.
Im really enjoying your 🎥 keep 🆙 the good work📀
yeahhh love that! johnny with the sponsors - GET THE MULA!! well deserved
Lol. Thanks. I've had some companies reach out before, but this is the one I really felt great about backing. I'm really liking the emails so far.
@@jonnyarnett congrats bro keep going up
Great to finally seeing sponsors jump on...only 7k away mate from that 100k subs going to be so well deserved..
Holy, this dude is growing fast. It seems like yesterday when this dude was at 50k subs. Well deserved recognition
Hell yeah @@anonymoususer2080 the quality is so good, I was so lucky and stumbled across this channel at just over 10k subs and now to be at nearly 100k is inspiring
Great work as always. You've got unique ideas and execute them nicely. Keep it up!
Always amazed by your content bro!
Wilt 63-68 Would Destroy anyone
This just proves that the only thing LeBron has over Jordan is longevity. It's not necessarily a bad thing. But without longevity, the gap between then widens even more.
with him it's a bad thing because he forgone a lot of good defensive years to have that longevity considering how physically gifted he was, he planned his longevity it didn't just happen, he spent millions on himself to last this long just padding his numbers
@@jeortiz-luis4288 the funny thing is, as how things stand right now, Jordan stll leads LeBron by 1 MVP, 2 rings, 2 Finals MVPs, 9 scoring titles, 3 steals titles, 1 DPOY and 6 defensive 1st teams. To put that in perspective, those are KD's accolades and then some. 18 years and counting and the gap is still KD's resume.
Not true at all. LeBron is a better passer, playmaker, rebounder and 3PT shooter than Jordan even without the longevity. I say this as believing Jordan is the GOAT with Lebron 2nd.
@@jeraldvincentzumel5300 did you write MVP two times
@@jeraldvincentzumel5300 also if that is kd resume
Kd can't apply for a goat position
Legit my favorite basketball channel on RUclips. Thank you for the entertaining content Jonny!
Been watching this channel so long I forgot that you were unsullied by sponsorship since 1989.
Congratulations on the first, and here's to many more.
Hey Jonny, great video per usual. I feel like a really cool video idea would be determining who had the greatest season ever. Lmk what you think!
I think no doubt it would be Wilts 50 ppg season
@@yeeeaaah6248 Well accomplishments matter too…Wilt didn’t win MVP, finals mvp, ring, etc. It was amazing statistically, but it didn’t contribute to his team’s success as much as it should have
“But he’s likely surpassing MJ for the most accomplished 5-year stretch”
Jordan: “That’s when I took it personal”
P.S: Great work man Love your stuff👍✌️
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Really nice video man, love the effort that u put in to your videos, keep it up man :))
Nice video man... Worth the sub... God bless always.
Put up any list you want MJ had the greatest peak, greatest 5yr and 10yr spans. He was just like a tsunami that came and swept any and every achievement and accolade he could.
Then why does wilt hold 70 records
@@watergarage8343 Because modern rules were mostly non-existent and Wilt was a physical anomaly for any time, especially his. He wouldn't have gotten most of those records if he played today because of all the added rules and restrictions. That said, Wilt was known as an underperformer in the playoffs, which is why MJ beats him in that arena statistically.
Wilt tears mj apart
@@giffengood fax
In the playoffs wilt was a underperformer. In the regular season he averaged 30pts in the playoffs it drops to 22pts he's a underperformer
Johnny Arnett is the best basketball RUclipsr.
No, it’s Clayton Crownley or Jimmy Highroller
Hell nah Jonny Arnett is better wtf
Jxmyhighroller is
Wow , Whatta mind to come up with this... I Love It!!!! I remember they used to have that Jack Niclaus commercial where they they put his best score each hole , of The Masters golf course in Agusta , GA. Best scores thru-out his career & he played there ALOT! The score-card looked like some-1 rolled a die that didn't have any #'s higher than a rare 4 or ONE =)
.............Keep up the great job ^ ^
Great job and very complete review.
Almost at that 100k!
RIP Elgin Baylor
One of the greats
Great video. You always make great videos. Thank you
Brilliant video as usual sir!
10/10 video!
Alvin Roberson is my favorite player of all time it is nice to see him up there
This is by far the best way to view all top 100 players. Guys with shorter careers get overlooked because of bad injuries etc. Would have liked to have seen win shares offensive n defensive added. Love this
Another Winner Jonny! Great Job!
Honestly tho, kinda surprised that you missed JamesOn Curry of the L.A Clippers and didn't put him on the list! If he would've had a 5YR career he would've EASILY been above MJ and Wilt...
Only, his NBA career lasted a solid 3.9 seconds...
Tragic
Lol he finna tell people I was a former nba guard with 3.9 seconds of play 😂
You deserve at least one million subs
Great Content!
Great video as always!
I actually watched the 10 year one yesterday lol this should be a pleasant surprise
This is the best basketball content
Also I love the content keep up the awesome work.
Great Video!
"Stockton wasn't that good. Those big stats are only because he played so long" Nope
It's amazing to see how LeBron disappeared when longevity is taken out of the equation.
As opposed to someone like John Stockton who mentained his numbers despite removing longevity.
Also, this video showed just how good that Jazz team was, considering 3 of their guys sat at the top or near at the top for each of their categories.
He doesn't dissapear. It just shows that when you're trying to swerve a conversation into your arguments choosing, you can do it. This is what @JonnyArnett did in this video. He always states that he considers MJ the goat, which is fine. But the manner in which he's trying to prove it is inaccurate and what he often says - doesn't tell the whole story. Or to be even more precise, it misses a big chunk of the story. There are several huge flaws with his goat calculator, and they are:
1. The point assigning. You're telling me that leading "goat candidates" in steals and steals per game or blocks and blocks per game counts equally as a MVP and all nba awards, or even titles?
2. For the 5 major categories he mentioned, in all 5 the player that had the most in total also had the most in per game. So Wilt was number 1 in points and rebounds and gets 4 points? MJ was first in steal totals and spg and gets 2 points, while Russell gets 1 for 5 titles? Duncan gets 2 points for leading in blocks and blocks per game?
3. Since you mentioned Lebron, he picked the wrong 5 years. It should be either '09-'13 or '12-'16. I would pick '09-'13. Now suddenly we get a change. Lebron leads all players in MVP awards with 4, and he has the maximum number of all d 1st team selections. Now, under JonnyArnett's calculation, MJ loses 1 point (as do Kareem, Russell and Bird) and Lebron get's 1 point in all D selections. MJ now has 8, Lebron has 4, Bird and Kareem have 2 and Russell has 1.
4. Why use only 9 players? Why do you stop with GOAT counting at 9? If we were to add a few more players, we would probably add Hakeem. If we add Hakeem, MJ loses 1 DPOY point. I won't add him in the further calculation, just saying.
If we were to equate the (almost) exact same categories (ppg and total points, bpg and total blocks etc.), and also remove FG% (what does this have to do with goat conversation, he could've at least used TS% or something), we get these changes:
MJ 7, Wilt 4, Magic 2, Duncan & Kareem 1
Now, if we would somehow try to value differently different things (as stated, blocks or steals and MVP's can't be measured the same), we could use this:
MVP 5 points
1st team, FMVP, rings 4 points
1st D, DPOY 3
Scoring, assist, rebound titles; points, rebounds, assists, 1.5 points
Steals, blocks titles; steals, blocks 0.5 points
Now we have this MJ at 16.5 and Lebron has 16.0. No one else is even near - the next is Wilt with 6.
But, if I would try to create a video to minimize MJ's total numbers, I would add Hakeem in the years he had 2 when he won DPOY. Hakeem is definitely a top 10 or 15 all time player. Now Lebron has 16.0 still, and MJ has 13.5. Additionally, I would totally exclude blocks and steals from this, and give 1 point for the scoring, assist and rebound titles, bouncing MJ down to 12.0.
What's fascinating with both MJ and Lebron in these 5 seasons ('88-'92 and '09-'13) - they both dominated the league in advanced stats (VORP, BPM, PER and WS), leading the league in every single category these 5 seasons.
So, 5 year Lebron (you can even choose a few versions of 5 years) is one of the best players ever.
@@Adam-tt5cs
People have been clinging on to LeBron's career scoring numbers (and career numbers in general) and think that it's a solid argument for why he is the GOAT. They don't add nuance when taking numbers like these into consideration. They fail to see that it's a byproduct of his longevity. Quantity over quality, not the other way around. Unlike Stockton and as well as some of these players, whose numbers hold up despite being subjected to scrutiny.
There are other metrics out there that people can hold on to when making the case for GOAT for any of the All-time Greats, because except for a few, these career totals are nothing but fluff. And I do understand how much of an amazing feat it is to rack up all those numbers. But when talking about the GOAT, we have to be splitting hairs, we have to be pedantic, we have to be hyper critical.
So yeah, when subjected to scrutiny...
Disappeared
As in *poof*
Dropped off
Disappeared
@@kookurikapooh First, longevity matters for all players that are on this Jonny Arnett goat list - as it should. Durability, availability, etc. All 9 players played over 897 games (Larry Bird), and 7 of them played over 1000 (only Bird and Magic didn't).
2nd, Lebron was always considered one of the best all round players in NBA history and not the single best in any category. But still, on the all time scoring list he his 6th in ppg. And of the top 6 players, this could be checked out, he has played in the slowest pace.
3rd - back to pace, the Lebron '09-'13 stretch also interacts with one of the slowest paces in NBA history. Of all the players in this top 10 scoring list, only Kobe's 06'-'10 stretch was played in a slower pace. The average NBA pace from '09-'13 was 92. The pace for Jordan and Malone from '88-'92 was 98.5, meaning 7% more possesions. Also, in this 5 year stretch Malone played in 407 games out of 410, which puts him at 28.96 ppg. Lebron missed a big chunk of these games, mostly due to the lockout season in 2012. He only played in 374 games. Divide this with 10.392 points Lebron scored puts him at 27.8 ppg. Adjust this for pace (7%) we get at 29.7 ppg.
Not to mention if we go lower to this list in seasons - not sure what the pace was in the '60s, but from '74-'78 it was 106.2, which is 15% faster than '09 to '13.
4th - during this 5 year stretch Lebron led the entire league in total points scored, scoring 2 more total points than Durant and playing 7 less games.
Again, this proves me correct. When making this list pace wasn't factored in, because it goes in Lebrons favour. This isn't something Johnny Arnett would do. Johnny Arnett also wouldn't use MJ's highest scoring seasons ('86-'87), because the Bulls that season finished with a negative record (40-42). Which is another proof that scoring title mean little.
So, yeah - proof that Lebron doesn't disappear and proof that, no matter what way someone wants to diminish the greatest 18 year stretch of any NBA player (trying to prove longevity doesn't matter) - this guy also had the best 5 and 10 year stretch.
"But when talking about the GOAT, we have to be splitting hairs, we have to be pedantic, we have to be hyper critical." I understand this, you're right. But the manner in which you're splitting hairs matters. Not taking pace into consideration and using these stats isn't splitting hairs, it's not telling the whole story.
Look at this - MJ didn't win a single playoff series without Pippen - which is the exact truth. MJ also doesn't have a single winning season without Pippen - which is also true. He never won a title without Phil Jackson. His team won 55 games without him and lost in 7 in the playoffs. Let's split these hairs, as well. He lost 3 times in the first round in a no zone league.
@@Adam-tt5cs
Wanna put up the stats Pip had whenever they STARTED winning? You're gonna tell me Pip was an absolute All-star during the year the Bulls started winning? Nuance. It may be factual to say that Scottie was there when they started winning, but NEVER phrase it in a way that Scottie was the big reason why they won. Fact check this, MJ was averaging nearly as much as MVP Kobe during his 1st year. Now tell me MJ was the reason why they were losing. Consider maybe that everyone "probably" needs at least some level of help. Again, this is all about making it sound like Pip was the big reason they started winning. Context matters. Choice of words matter. So no, don't make it sound like that.
7% less possessions is somewhat significant, ain't it? Then again, you have to factor in the type of shooting LeBron opts to take as opposed to Kobe or Jordan, since you mentioned the two. Between the 3 of them, who go their points from the 2, the 3, or from the lay up or dunk the most? No brainer that LeBron mostly got his points from within 10ft. Between the 3, he drove to the basket more. Between the 3, he took the shot with the highest conversion rate (which is the lay-up and the dunk. And yet the percentage between, maybe just MJ and LeBron, is still close. Imagine letting a guy do 10 lay-ups and dunks and another guy do 10 junpshots and 5 dunks or drives and yet the two men end up close in field goals.
Add to the nuance the long permeating idea that the defense nowadays is allowed little room to actually affect the offense, and how a significant amount of LeBron's career is played during an era which is easier to score. As opposed to other eras, such as MJ's era, maybe even some of Kobe's era, where the physicality was significantly more intense... Now considering that... Add that to LeBron's shit selection...
He's elite, but scoring wasn't always his thing and he hasn't put up as much elite scoring seasons as compared to the rest of the elites in this list.
It's plain to see, giving a player his best piece of work as the sample size... LeBron went from top 3 to zip in All-time Scoring. At least from the list that was shown.
Make no mistake, LeBron is no doubt in people's all-time great list. People see him as either #1 and #2--validly so. You could argue that point, but people should stop huffing and puffing this oversimplified presentation of the All time Scoring highly in favor of LeBron without nuance or context.
My original comment was simple. My point still stands. Accumulative stats are deceptive. Some of them are all fluff.
I would love for you to come up with your own sample size for LeBron's top 5 seasons and actually prove that, after taking things into consideration, he would still be near his original ranking.
@@Adam-tt5cs Way to show who's fan you are by assuming I'm trying to diminish the "greatest 18 years stretch".
Lemme make it simple.
LeBron is elite
LeBron is phenomenal
If you want an argument for why LeBron is the GOAT, there are plenty of other stats and metrics out there. This ain't part of that. At leas not in the way people love to point out at big numbers and simply go "wow" without context.
Again, if that ain't you, and if you ain't dumb or simple like that, I don't know why your offended. Maybe because I used the word "disappear"?
Pfft. Again, he did. In the concept of this 5 and 10 year only consideration. Again, there are plenty of evidence out there to back LeBron's argument for being GOAT... This just ain't it, pure and simple.
Thanks for the video!
Well done mate!
Should of included playoff scoring just to show how dominant Jordan was. Wilt may have averaged 40 over a 5 year stretch in the regular season but he only has 13 40 point games in the playoffs for his career while Jordan had 38. He also averaged 12 less ppg than Jordan in the playoffs. Individual dominance has to include playoffs
Great point
Totally agree. As great as he is every stat goes down except for rebounds.
Wilt still edges him. 60-64 wilt average 34.6 in the playoffs, in 88-92 Jordan averaged 34.5 in the playoffs
For his 5 year prime. Wilt Chamberlain actually average more points in the playoff than MJ, if I'm not mistaken.
34.6 would be his average
Basically this is just another very useful and important way of quantifying who the best player of all time is... And as always, Michael Jordan stands comfortably above everyone else. You can argue all day about the inclusions and rankings of the top 2-10 greatest players of all time. It's fun to debate! But there is no argument or debate about who the NUMBER 1 is, as almost every possible way you look at it, it's always going to be MJ.
Agreed. You can't compare another basketball player to MJ when he's essentially god tier like Ali level.
As what Deion Sanders and Stefon Marbury said, you shouldn't compare MJ to another basketball player. Deion said it's basically blasphemous to do it and Starbury said there's MJ then your top 10 below him. 😁
@@lamefart did yall even watch the whole video? Jordan having so many greens were because he played after 1980. Wilt and russell would take his greens for FMVP, DPOY, and would gain in other awards if blocks and steals were recorded... like wilt would gain another 2 with the blocks alone
@@jesuschrististhelord9937 it’s unbelievable! People always ignore Wilt and if you bring him up they’ll have their lame excuses to dismiss his accomplishments only because they just have their favorite.
@@jesuschrististhelord9937 you missed my whole point but whatever makes you happy. 🤡
@@antonihardonk8970 contrary to what you said, I knew Wilt was holding back all throughout his career and a few times he let go someone got hurt. But he underperformed in the playoffs unlike MJ where his regular season numbers, as great as it is, even got better in the playoffs.
It's a comparison between a dominant center and a guard. In a league where height is might, a guard dominated in the era of big men, the 4s and 5s who can camp in the paint.
Great video and thank you!! Bird shooting 50-40-90 over 5 years is just amazing!!!!
The only youtube channel where I have hit the bell. Thanks Johny
so most metrics and most prime numbers show that Mj is the GOAT
You mean wilt?
Yeah and people still say LeBron is "statistically better" like what? Also Wilt makes a huge case here
who BEAT WHO ? lARRY BIRD or Jordon ? dum dum
This Goat posted another video smh🤦🏽♂️stay dropping bomb videos
You did a really great job man, awesome video.. And I would call it between MJ and Wilt, but I feel like the stats and accolades would need to be rainbow-colored (or some system), as well, to note 2nd n 3rd best in the category..
Someone could have a streak of 2nd best in a category, but doesn’t really factor in at the end. That would take about another year to get done lol, so great job with what you compiled, I enjoyed it very much
Great Video and Insightful
There’s one more that need to be added on achievements of MJ and that is his HEART, never giving up despite all the adversity.
Stats wise that cannot be measured so obviously it cannot be included
I feel like MJ had the best 5 years ever, 88- Best Season from every player ever, 89- Team has real success with co star Pippen, 90- First ECF, 91-93 Chips and MVPs galore.
It would be 88-92 for Jordan. And 12-16 bron could compete. 12-13 two rings, 14-15 dominate individual seasons, and 16- another ring with maybe greatest narrative behind it (beating 73 win team, while leading both teams in all 5 stats). And also bill Russell multiple 5 year combos of having 5 rings with likely 5 finals mvp if they were a thing then while playing the best defense in the league
This is gotta be one of the most underrated channels ever out there. Lots of love!
Ps. Still waiting patiently for the top 50 players video 👀
One of my favorite videos ever!!!!!!💯
I expect Wilt to be the GOAT of this.
Wilt at his best averaged like 40 ppg in like a 3 year span, kobe at his best averaged 43 for a single month, wilt averaged 60 for a month-
@@Poloskii He averaged 40 points for 515 consecutive games
@@imfrederic2312 lmao it sounds fake as hell when u say it like that and let's be real everybody wishes it was because there should not be anybody that good ever
Wilt would be considered at least the 2nd greatest of all time, if all statistics were taken back then, regardless of championships.
In my opinion, he was even better than Jordan.
You can't be GOAT if your stats don't translate in the playoffs.
lol i just watched the 10 year career video!
Jonny with the quality content
Very interesting. Good work.
Again, MJ dominated where height is might and he wasn't the biggest or tallest yet he put up insane numbers in arguably the greatest era of big men. His career was just a grand trolling of the league. He was just too good. A league of his own.
And he still isn’t better than LeBron
@@wheathillstc8598 who's better than Lebron in flopping? He's not called LeFlop for nothing...
@MainManMilan in denial, are we? 🤣
Especially because Jordan was said to only be about 6’4.5”
@@ibelieveicansoar more like a weak 6'5" but he's 6'6" on shoes.. Unless he'd play barefoot.. 😆
WILT is still the one, like you said if they would have all the same stats 60 and gave out all the same awards WILT would be number 1.
Thank you for doing this difficult work on a regular basis
GREAT VIDEO SIR...KEEP DOING YOUR THING
I’m not early, I’m not late. But when I see Jonny Arnett Post, I click straight
Dang, MJ be topping a lot of lists
That's why he's the goat 🐐
Not that I see
@@irishgrl What do you mean?
how did MJ fair against Larry Legend ?
@@kristalmacleod3215 If Larry didn't have back problems then Larry could be right next to Jordan
if you want something similar to this video but more in-depth about certain players primes, there’s a great series on Thinking Basketball. he breaks down the best peaks from every era and the goal of the on going series is to see who the best was at their best. I highly recommend
Petit bonjour de France pour vous remercier de faire un contenu de si belle qualité. Bravo Jonny, keep up the good work ;)