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Cannonners upside compared to princess tower: 20% more dps Cannoneers downsides: Completely helpless against swarms Less health Harder king tower activation with firecracker By completely helpless i mean COMPLETELY
They should balance it by reducing his dps increase to %15 but increasing his hitpoints to the same amount of princess tower and having aoe damage like witch
The timing for firecracker is harder, because there is less time but i have done it allready 2 times with princess (easier because she will not walk) in a center position. So with bether timing it is possible with other cards. Yes, i mean activating king tower with a unsupported firecracker
I feel like the cannoneer should’ve lost some rounds, sure it stopped certain cards from doing more damage, but still should be considered a loss because it has less remaining health overall due to the health nerf it has
I agree with you it should have lost against mortar and Xbow. But with the rest it still succeeded in dealing more damage before dying than the princess tower, so it still deserves the win.
The problem right now is that a lot of the cards and decks in the game are balanced around making up for the shortcomings of the princess and keeping in mind the constant support princess gives, cannoneer simply doesn't give that and instead acts as a main damage source, not very good against or working with tons of decks, especially with its smaller range
Cannoneer is better at defending single cards, but Princesses better range is more useful at defence. For example if you place a troop or building on right position both towers can help in defence what is harder when you using cannoneer.
@@Sir_TophamHattto answer your question it’s intended and not a bug, and also when the canoneer locks on to something it STAYS locked on and the range it cannot detect is ignored. So this entire argument is still available for the king tower I won’t deny, however it is practically incorrect
@@FestiveSquad So why can the princess tower still hit things slightly beyond its technical range, but the cannoneer cannot? Is there some official source from the developers that addresses this?
@@Sir_TophamHattThe Connoner, like the princess, has a shot range of 7.5. The main catch is that the Connoner has a circle-shaped range, while the Princess has something like a rounded square.
The problem with cannoneer is that, while it does better than princess against standard win conditions, it gets wrecked by many cards that princess would deafeat easily. Any swarm card instantly becomes a win condition against cannoneer. I mean, even TOMBSTONE can take the tower if left alone, so you end up having to waste a lot of elixir to defend stuff that you wouldve just left alone if you had princess towers.
The problem is people are looking at all the negatives, one good fisherman is all that is needed for both cannoneers to hit. Plus can’t you just defend swarms with a cheap card or spell?
Myself and many others including pros wont consider it worth sacrificing tower health, and also literally dying to graveyard every single time, in exchange for countering wallbreakers? Like I can see the benefits of cannoneer, but basing it off this video you assume that clash royale is played by people spamming sole win conditions at the bridge which isn't true. Princess tower is at least decent in all situations, while cannoneer is better in some but also complete shit in many others.
@@blackchrysler I agree with this statement. But I also see how the cannoneer could be useful. Like you said clash royal isn’t played like a turn based game were you let the win conditions take your tower. That holds true for the cannoneer. The cannoneer will need some getting used to but I could see it being viable. Maybe it could use some buffs but with decks built for it it could work
@@justaperson3242maybe we just havent got used to him yet. I think eventually more people will use him in certain niche decks but princess tower will probably be best due to her versatility, unless cannoneer gets a buff or some other op tower troop gets added.
Definitely does better against heavier cards, which can be paired well with cheaper control/cycle decks like bait hog miner or mortar that can counter swarms. Will definitely need a big spell and a splash unit if you use canoneer. It’s shorter range means it can’t hit troops pulled into the middle, and can’t help out the king tower in a 0-1 situation.
The cannoneer is designed to struggle against swarm units, so I don't think it should deal area damage. Instead, here are some alternative ideas to buff the cannoneer: 1) Increase its HP from 2616 to 3200-3500 (approximately 25-35% increase) 2) Increase its damage from 422 to 500-600 (approximately 20-40% increase) 3) Increase its hit speed from 2.4 seconds to 2.2-2.0 seconds (approximately 10-20% faster) 4) Increase its range from 7.5 tiles to 8.0-8.5 tiles (approximately 5-10% longer range)
Only issue is that "win conditions" 80% of them are tanked by something else to get as much value as possible. Just put any swarm deck and it's GG. Difference between princess and cannoneer is that princess can handle both swarm and tanks with any deck. But cannoneer cannot deal with swarm at all (talking about support + tower). So overall I'd say princess tower does way better in most matchups when actually playing for real. Video only showcase worst case scenarios (Tower vs troop), that happens rarely, but with this tower they put a skarmy when I have 0/10 elixir and I get 1/10 enough for an ice spirit and I gonna lose my whole tower, but with princess I'd be alive and well.
@@mohamadredzwan6628If a tombstone could kill my tower I would have to use skill to defend it. As a midladder menace I will know use megaknights to defend tombstones
I feel like they gave up too much from the princess. Like, at challenge standard, cannoneer does 3.87x more damage, fires at 1/3 of the rate, and has 14% less health. What's the point of it? Typically slow = tanky & powerful. But with Cannoneer, they gave him power. Nothing else. It makes it almost useless for 90% of players, and it is NOT a good alternative to princess. If they want Cannoneer to be a viable alternative, I think (again, measuring at challenge/tournament standard) he should fire every 1.6 or 1.4 seconds, deal 273 damage per shot, and have at LEAST 2775 hp. That still makes it fire about 40-50% slower than princess, while only boosting damage by 2.5x instead of almost 4x. With a health reduction of about 9% compared to princess. This allows it to fire more often, still take out tanks better than princess, still one shot troops like minions and goblins, but it also doesn't absolutely cripple it like right now. It's still not perfect, but right now it's damn near useless.
(traslate) el problema principal del cañonero es que su lentitud al disparar hace que cualquier carta de multitud pueden hacerle torre, incluso la lapida
Notes: You forgot rocket. Princess is better. Also, even two cards, especially with ewiz, can do far better, and if someone plays goblin gang it's a threat, tombstone can even be deadly.
He said win conditions. Spell cycling isn't really a "win condition" Nobody sits there and says, "OH no, I don't have a win condition...lemme throw rocket in my deck"
I think that it’s not entirely correct to evaluate Connoner, because initially ALL the cards released earlier in the game were built around the princess’s tower, its range, damage, and health. And now Connoner is not ready.
Everything depends on the deck, you can still win against some gravyard deck using cannoneer if you play correctly, and you can still lose to an e-giant deck if the deck just hard counters you, it's just not the right meta for this tower troop because it is full of cycle decks, buffing it will make it unfair and p2w and keeping it balanced as it is will just make it unplayable because of the meta, they just give it a tiny splash damage with a little less damage to help it be a good tower troop (and also make it easier to get)
In my opinion cannoneer is balanced if it had equal health to the normal tower. Logbait is already overkill on swarm so they could replace their inferno tower if they use cannoneer possibly.
The Cannoeneer might be good against win conditions, but since it's so situational and useless, it might need a buff: -Its HP should be buffed -The damage should be increased -The attack should do splash damage, making it easier to defeat swarns -The attack speed should be sightly faster than Tower Princess' attack speed
This is very inaccurate comparison, you should have done it with damage percentage done to each towers, since canooners HP is lower than the princess tower.
i think the best way to balance it is to give it the same health as a regular tower, and make the cannonball do splash damage, not a huge radius or anything, but like witch level splash
Everyone downs the man shooting cannons from the tower not knowing that it is better in some cases and only weak to swarm. Just take care of it's weakness and let it help you kill things faster with loads of damage on defense. If he is shooting things and one shotting them or dwindling with half health or a quarter health damage. That's a win in my book.
Just saying it takes no damage to furnace, a lot of people complain about something that is decent at best and act like it’s the worst card to be added in to the game.
That was a shit comparison. on one of them, the princess tower, had more heath, but the cannon got the point if people are gonna do stuff like this, at least get your points right the princess tower is still way better don't let this fool you if both players don't get any damage on both sides and if you use the cannon you just lose bc of heath even if you play perfectly so if you do something like this do it right not like this bs 😑
Cannoneer just seems more viable against 1 tricks and cheap shots at your towers. Translation: more suited for players with low experience. Princess tower just does more and is more consistent.
See guys, _this_ is why cannoneer has to have lower health than the regular princess tower. If it didn’t, it would be completely broken! “Pay to lose” my ass.
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Cannonners upside compared to princess tower:
20% more dps
Cannoneers downsides:
Completely helpless against swarms
Less health
Harder king tower activation with firecracker
By completely helpless i mean COMPLETELY
Feels wrong that this guy deals no aoe dmg, there it should be a way to balance it, -10% dps and give Wizard's small aoe or something
20% dps not 30%
They should balance it by reducing his dps increase to %15 but increasing his hitpoints to the same amount of princess tower and having aoe damage like witch
The timing for firecracker is harder, because there is less time but i have done it allready 2 times with princess (easier because she will not walk) in a center position. So with bether timing it is possible with other cards.
Yes, i mean activating king tower with a unsupported firecracker
@@bobc821where did you get 20% from? It’s like 26% at least
I feel like the cannoneer should’ve lost some rounds, sure it stopped certain cards from doing more damage, but still should be considered a loss because it has less remaining health overall due to the health nerf it has
Exactly what I'm thinking
Well, you also need to consider the percentage of damage dealt, not the raw number!
I’d rather have more health in overtime when playing against decks that go to overtime
I agree with you it should have lost against mortar and Xbow. But with the rest it still succeeded in dealing more damage before dying than the princess tower, so it still deserves the win.
@@Iluvatar1504if you do the percent, then you can’t even address the nerf of it having less health.
The problem right now is that a lot of the cards and decks in the game are balanced around making up for the shortcomings of the princess and keeping in mind the constant support princess gives, cannoneer simply doesn't give that and instead acts as a main damage source, not very good against or working with tons of decks, especially with its smaller range
the only deck I saw working well with the cannoneer was splashyard. really alleviated the problems with swarms
It’s good against win conditions because they are more tanky, but it’s too situational to be actually used.
Not every win condition is a tank though.
@@DemiCape almost all are
Cannoneer is better at defending single cards, but Princesses better range is more useful at defence. For example if you place a troop or building on right position both towers can help in defence what is harder when you using cannoneer.
I noticed that as well, but I’m wondering if it’s a bug or something, since on paper they should both have the exact same range (7.5 tiles)
@@Sir_TophamHattto answer your question it’s intended and not a bug, and also when the canoneer locks on to something it STAYS locked on and the range it cannot detect is ignored. So this entire argument is still available for the king tower I won’t deny, however it is practically incorrect
@@FestiveSquad So why can the princess tower still hit things slightly beyond its technical range, but the cannoneer cannot? Is there some official source from the developers that addresses this?
@@Sir_TophamHattThe Connoner, like the princess, has a shot range of 7.5. The main catch is that the Connoner has a circle-shaped range, while the Princess has something like a rounded square.
@@D_BLECK hmmm, i see
"you forgot tombstone" 🤓
The cannoneer should get a buff, like making it do splash damage and increasing the damage slightly
Then it’s one main weakness would be gone, making it overpowered
@@justaperson3242more overpowered? u think he is overpowered?
if it did splash damage it would absolutely tear through swarms and it would become better than the princess tower so that's a terrible idea
@@carljohnson-fc6el if played well it can be overwhelming, though that was a typo my bad
the cannoneer was a flawed concept from the beginning
You should consider the percentage of HP lost instead of objective damage, since they have different amounts of
The problem with cannoneer is that, while it does better than princess against standard win conditions, it gets wrecked by many cards that princess would deafeat easily.
Any swarm card instantly becomes a win condition against cannoneer. I mean, even TOMBSTONE can take the tower if left alone, so you end up having to waste a lot of elixir to defend stuff that you wouldve just left alone if you had princess towers.
The problem is people are looking at all the negatives, one good fisherman is all that is needed for both cannoneers to hit. Plus can’t you just defend swarms with a cheap card or spell?
Myself and many others including pros wont consider it worth sacrificing tower health, and also literally dying to graveyard every single time, in exchange for countering wallbreakers? Like I can see the benefits of cannoneer, but basing it off this video you assume that clash royale is played by people spamming sole win conditions at the bridge which isn't true. Princess tower is at least decent in all situations, while cannoneer is better in some but also complete shit in many others.
@@blackchrysler I agree with this statement. But I also see how the cannoneer could be useful. Like you said clash royal isn’t played like a turn based game were you let the win conditions take your tower. That holds true for the cannoneer. The cannoneer will need some getting used to but I could see it being viable. Maybe it could use some buffs but with decks built for it it could work
@@justaperson3242maybe we just havent got used to him yet. I think eventually more people will use him in certain niche decks but princess tower will probably be best due to her versatility, unless cannoneer gets a buff or some other op tower troop gets added.
Definitely does better against heavier cards, which can be paired well with cheaper control/cycle decks like bait hog miner or mortar that can counter swarms. Will definitely need a big spell and a splash unit if you use canoneer.
It’s shorter range means it can’t hit troops pulled into the middle, and can’t help out the king tower in a 0-1 situation.
The cannoneer is designed to struggle against swarm units, so I don't think it should deal area damage.
Instead, here are some alternative ideas to buff the cannoneer:
1) Increase its HP from 2616 to 3200-3500 (approximately 25-35% increase)
2) Increase its damage from 422 to 500-600 (approximately 20-40% increase)
3) Increase its hit speed from 2.4 seconds to 2.2-2.0 seconds (approximately 10-20% faster)
4) Increase its range from 7.5 tiles to 8.0-8.5 tiles (approximately 5-10% longer range)
The oval sight range is disgusting and should be removed, should do like 3% more damage and remove health nerf.
Only issue is that "win conditions" 80% of them are tanked by something else to get as much value as possible. Just put any swarm deck and it's GG. Difference between princess and cannoneer is that princess can handle both swarm and tanks with any deck. But cannoneer cannot deal with swarm at all (talking about support + tower). So overall I'd say princess tower does way better in most matchups when actually playing for real. Video only showcase worst case scenarios (Tower vs troop), that happens rarely, but with this tower they put a skarmy when I have 0/10 elixir and I get 1/10 enough for an ice spirit and I gonna lose my whole tower, but with princess I'd be alive and well.
I think cannoneer would be better if he had the same HP as the princess. But since he doesnt, I think princess is still better
i reckon spell cycle and normal decks with a few more spells would be efficient with the cannoneers
the cannoner's loss of hp should be in consideration of comparison of overall hp.
Lower range, so he can't help king tower, like princess do and lower health are killing him
really hit us with that overwatch victory
Make a video on how to use your deck in opposite of cannoneer player❤
0:50 They gave tower princess VOICELINES
Cannoneer is for taking out tanky cards, and princess is for swarms.
A tombstone kill the tower entirely you have to understand how stupid that is right.
@@mohamadredzwan6628 yeah it's so dumb giving the cannoneer less health
@@mohamadredzwan6628If a tombstone could kill my tower I would have to use skill to defend it. As a midladder menace I will know use megaknights to defend tombstones
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Cannoneer range being shorter than princess tower is a bug. They should be fixing it soon or it is already fixed
Cannoneer wins and yet looses to offensive tombstone 💀
Cannoneer with Miner Poison Evo Skeletons is a solid deck to run
I feel like they gave up too much from the princess. Like, at challenge standard, cannoneer does 3.87x more damage, fires at 1/3 of the rate, and has 14% less health.
What's the point of it? Typically slow = tanky & powerful. But with Cannoneer, they gave him power. Nothing else. It makes it almost useless for 90% of players, and it is NOT a good alternative to princess.
If they want Cannoneer to be a viable alternative, I think (again, measuring at challenge/tournament standard) he should fire every 1.6 or 1.4 seconds, deal 273 damage per shot, and have at LEAST 2775 hp. That still makes it fire about 40-50% slower than princess, while only boosting damage by 2.5x instead of almost 4x. With a health reduction of about 9% compared to princess. This allows it to fire more often, still take out tanks better than princess, still one shot troops like minions and goblins, but it also doesn't absolutely cripple it like right now. It's still not perfect, but right now it's damn near useless.
(traslate) el problema principal del cañonero es que su lentitud al disparar hace que cualquier carta de multitud pueden hacerle torre, incluso la lapida
Who wins the rounds should've been based on how much % of total HP is left on the towers.
Agiants canoneer skeleton army becomes a win condition
Notes:
You forgot rocket. Princess is better.
Also, even two cards, especially with ewiz, can do far better, and if someone plays goblin gang it's a threat, tombstone can even be deadly.
He said win conditions. Spell cycling isn't really a "win condition" Nobody sits there and says, "OH no, I don't have a win condition...lemme throw rocket in my deck"
@@uuni5377I count the goblin on a maxed star level rocket to be the actual win codition
Also it’s just a vid, don’t be so childish about it
@@justaperson3242bruh 💀
I think that it’s not entirely correct to evaluate Connoner, because initially ALL the cards released earlier in the game were built around the princess’s tower, its range, damage, and health. And now Connoner is not ready.
You should do it by the amount of HP left on tower not by damage.
Against mortar isnt actually a draw, you should decide who wins with the health
Sir please guide your main deck 2.9
Now do against every swarm
the cannoneer has less health so it effectively takes more damage from some of these
I can’t understand why all the players hate the cannoneer
El problema del cañonero es que sirve contra cartas especificas. Y en varios casos es mejor la princesa.
Everything depends on the deck, you can still win against some gravyard deck using cannoneer if you play correctly, and you can still lose to an e-giant deck if the deck just hard counters you, it's just not the right meta for this tower troop because it is full of cycle decks, buffing it will make it unfair and p2w and keeping it balanced as it is will just make it unplayable because of the meta, they just give it a tiny splash damage with a little less damage to help it be a good tower troop (and also make it easier to get)
In my opinion cannoneer is balanced if it had equal health to the normal tower. Logbait is already overkill on swarm so they could replace their inferno tower if they use cannoneer possibly.
You shouldn’t count a win based on how much damage taken, but the % of health left
Cannoner is good but
*Tombstone join the chat*
Bro you dont get to give princess a point just because neither can hit siege machines lmfao
For short, swarm wc gives princess the w
For every deck
I THINK GRAVEYARD IS THE BIGGEST COUNTER TO CANNONEER
I ain't gonna lie princess such a baddie in her card photo
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It should have been done in %health.
Now place bats at bridge
tombstone🗿
Am i the only one who don't like the Cannoneer for the fact that it shoots a cannon but only a single target and not AoE
Cannoneer needs more +10% dmg & the same hp as princess tower.
One thing i dont like is its hp, its too low
The Cannoeneer might be good against win conditions, but since it's so situational and useless, it might need a buff:
-Its HP should be buffed
-The damage should be increased
-The attack should do splash damage, making it easier to defeat swarns
-The attack speed should be sightly faster than Tower Princess' attack speed
This does not work though because the two towers have different health
no tombstone at the bridge win condition?😢
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Now try skeleton army the greatest of win condition
Not if you defend, who in their right minds would not defend that
How is three musketeer a won condition i thought it was a defensive card
Nope. It's a win condition. But it's honestly hard to use it as one, which is why it isn't so good.
X-bow 💀
why'd they even add cannoneer
cannonner is better against huge health cards
princess is better against low health and swarm cards
It's too expensive to buy cannoneer😢
I know brother, supercell is becoming that one girl that only wants us for our money
This is very inaccurate comparison, you should have done it with damage percentage done to each towers, since canooners HP is lower than the princess tower.
Three musketeers is not a win condition
Small troops counter the cannoner
I prefer the archer because skeletons can destroy cannoner
NEW BEST WIN CONDITION, skarmy at bridge !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But put bats on cannoner💀
Wont even consider using it :)
Bro why you uses mortar its doesnt change nothing
i think the best way to balance it is to give it the same health as a regular tower, and make the cannonball do splash damage, not a huge radius or anything, but like witch level splash
i had the same idea
Everyone downs the man shooting cannons from the tower not knowing that it is better in some cases and only weak to swarm. Just take care of it's weakness and let it help you kill things faster with loads of damage on defense.
If he is shooting things and one shotting them or dwindling with half health or a quarter health damage. That's a win in my book.
ok, you keep using a tower troop that loses to a naked tombstone
@@uuni5377and you can keep your no skill deck that somehow losses to 2.6
Just saying, if you have the skill you could pretty much do anything. You could even counter tombstones
Just saying it takes no damage to furnace, a lot of people complain about something that is decent at best and act like it’s the worst card to be added in to the game.
@@FestiveSquad who tf uses furnace you mid ladder
the princess is still the best
but cannonteerhave less hp
That was a shit comparison. on one of them, the princess tower, had more heath, but the cannon got the point if people are gonna do stuff like this, at least get your points right the princess tower is still way better don't let this fool you if both players don't get any damage on both sides and if you use the cannon you just lose bc of heath even if you play perfectly so if you do something like this do it right not like this bs 😑
Victory my butt
Witch can 3 crown against cannoneer
WHY DOESNT HE HAVE AREA DAMAGE ;(
Pay to loose
now prove to me little kids that prenses tower is better then can on er😒😒😒😒😒😒😒
Cannoneer just seems more viable against 1 tricks and cheap shots at your towers. Translation: more suited for players with low experience.
Princess tower just does more and is more consistent.
half of these test are non-sense
See guys, _this_ is why cannoneer has to have lower health than the regular princess tower. If it didn’t, it would be completely broken!
“Pay to lose” my ass.
One frist dude❤️
second dude