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  • @jimlocke9320
    @jimlocke9320 День назад +7

    The problem, as stated, is not valid. When sin(x) or cos(x) is computed, x must be an angle. Angles are typically expressed in degrees or radians. When the angle is a central angle of a circle, radians is the ratio of arc length to radius. Radians, therefore, does not have a dimension. Degrees is radians times 180/π. So it does not have a dimension, either. The problem is not valid because x has a dimension (some unit of length) and sin() and cos() can only be computed for dimensionless quantities. The problem could be made valid by stating that the sin() and cos() are computed for x divided by its unit of length.

    • @marcgriselhubert3915
      @marcgriselhubert3915 День назад

      Sin(x) and cos(x) have a definition for x real. Functions sin and cos are defined on R and have 2.Pi for period.
      For x real, sin(x) = sin(x rad, mod 2.Pi), and the same with cos(x).
      Ex: sin(100) = sin(100 rad) = sin((100 - 32.Pi) rad) = sin(-0.5309 rad) (about) = -0.5063 (about).
      Radians shoud always be used as angle unit, the use of degrees or other units is the best way to confusions.

    • @jimlocke9320
      @jimlocke9320 День назад

      @@marcgriselhubert3915 We measure distances in units of measure, such as meters, feet, miles, etc. In geometry problems, we may use the term "units" for the general case. Units could refer to any of these. If the sides of a right triangle have lengths 3 and 4 units, the hypotenuse must have a length of 5 units. The unit can be meters, feet, miles, etc. Radians and degrees refer to ratios. The ratio of the circumference of a circle to its radius is 2π. We say 2π radians but radian is not a unit of measure. It is called a dimensionless quantity, which students often have trouble understanding, especially when there are conversions between radians and degrees. My point is that x is a length and, therefore, must have a dimension. However, angles are measured in dimensionless quantities. You can't compute the sine of 2 meters, for example.
      On the subject of degrees vs. radians, I do have a calculator that computes the trig functions for angles in degrees. On the other hand, the computer language python has a math function which computes trig functions for angles in radians. (They do have a math function for pi, which provides a simple way of writing a function for the conversion.) I have always seen the special right triangles in geometry, 30°-60°-90° and 45°-45°-90°, given in degrees, not radians.

    • @marcgriselhubert3915
      @marcgriselhubert3915 День назад

      @@jimlocke9320 If you want to be coherent, x here has no unit, it is simply a positive real number, it is the ratio of the length of AE in a certain unit divided by this unit. this unit can be meters, millimeters, miles, ... That's the reason why you can draw the triangle as big or as small as you want on your paper.
      Considering degrees, if you were a french student using degrees you would get a bad mark. But I know that in anglo-american countries it is still used and I also often use degrees here when I try to "speak" english (when there is no special problem with that unit).

    • @jimlocke9320
      @jimlocke9320 День назад

      @@marcgriselhubert3915 Does that mean that the special 30°-60°-90° right triangle is designated π/6 - π/3 - π/2 and the special 45°-45°-90° isosceles right triangle is designated π/4 - π/4 - π/2 in France?

    • @marcgriselhubert3915
      @marcgriselhubert3915 21 час назад

      @@jimlocke9320 The first "special triangle" has no name here and the second is called "rectangle isoscele".

  • @marcgriselhubert3915
    @marcgriselhubert3915 День назад +1

    SCOOP: In fact, this problem is physicaly impossible. A right triangle ABC with hypotenuse [A,C] divided by points E and D in 3 equal lengthes represented by the real x, with a = EB = sin(x) and b = DB = cos(x) doen't exist, it is not possible to construct it.
    If this triangle was possible to construct, then we proved that necessary x = sqrt(5)/5, and then a = sin(x) = 0.4324 (about) and b = cos(x) = 0,9016 (about)
    Then B is at the intersection of the circle of center E and of radius a with the circle of center D and of radius b.
    a+b = 1.334, abs(a-b) = 0.4692 and DE = sqrt(5)/5 = 0.447. We do not have abs(a-b) < DE< a+b, so these two circles do not intersect, the construction is impossible. (It is also possible to verify that the circle of diameter [A,C], normaly containing B, does not intersect with the two precedent circles)
    So there was really a problem with this exercice, but not with sin and cos of a real.

  • @AdemolaAderibigbe-j8s
    @AdemolaAderibigbe-j8s День назад +2

    We can use the cosine rule for triangles. So let AB be h and the angle EAB be theta. Then cos(theta) = h/(3x). Applying the cosine rule for triangle AEB yields a^2 = x^2 + h^2 - (2xh)cos(theta) and for triangle ABD gives us b^2 = (2x)^2 + h^2 - (4xh)cos(theta). Substituting a = sin(x) and b = cos(x) and cos(theta) = h/(3x) gives us the two equations: sin(x)^2 = x^2 + h^2 - (2/3)h^2 and cos(x)^2 = 4(x^2) + h^2 - (4/3)h^2. Next we add these two equations giving us 1 = 5(x^2) yielding x = sqrt(5)/5.

  • @marcgriselhubert3915
    @marcgriselhubert3915 День назад +1

    We use an orthonormal center B and first axis (BC), we have B(0; 0) A(0; a') C(c; 0) E(c/3; (2/3).a') D((2/3).c; a'/3) with a' = BA and c = BC
    BE^2 = (1/9).(c^2 +4.(a'^2)) = (sin(x))^2 and BD^2 = (1/9).(a'^2 +4.(c^2)) = (cos(x))^2. As (sin(x))^2 + (cos(x))^2 = 1, we have (1/9)(5.(a'^2) +5.(c^2)) = 1
    Then a'^2 + c^2 =9/5. As a'^2 + c^2 = BA^2 + BC^2 = AC^2, we the have that AC^2 = 9/5 and AC = 3/sqrt(5). Finally x = AC/3 = 1/sqrt(5) = (sqrt(5))/5.

  • @harikatragadda
    @harikatragadda День назад +2

    In ∆ABC, AB²+BC²=9X²
    and a²+b²=1
    Applying Stewart's Theorem to ∆ABD and ∆EBC
    AB²X+b²X=2X(a²+X²)
    BC²X+a²X=2X(b²+X²)
    Adding them,
    5X³=X
    X=1/√5

    • @Emerson_Brasil
      @Emerson_Brasil День назад

      These equations are not correct!

    • @harikatragadda
      @harikatragadda День назад

      @@Emerson_Brasil Why?

    • @Emerson_Brasil
      @Emerson_Brasil День назад

      @@harikatragadda
      xAB² + b²x =2x(a²+x²)
      e
      xBC² + a²x =2x(b²+x²)
      The correct equations!

    • @harikatragadda
      @harikatragadda День назад +1

      @@Emerson_Brasil Corrected, thanks!

  • @alexj8940
    @alexj8940 День назад

    a^2+b^2=1 by definition. Therefore triangle EDB must be right triangle with hypotenuse 1. Therefore x=1. And angle EBD must be right angle, but that’s contradict to the conditions

  • @זאבגלברד
    @זאבגלברד День назад

    When we have a triangle with sides a,b,c we can generate a formula for the length of a median. Expand that median to generate a parallelogram and we know that the sum of the squares of the sides equels the sum of the squares of the diagonals. The median BN in triangle ABC is 1.5x . And now, in triangle EBD apply the formula.

  • @murdock5537
    @murdock5537 День назад

    a^2 = 4m^2 + n^2; b^2 = m^2 + 4n^2 → m^2 + n^2 = 1/5 = x^2 → x = √5/5
    btw: φ = 30° → BCA = θ → b > a↔ θ < 3φ/2
    if θ = 3φ/2 → a = b → m = n; amazing: it works for any angle 🙂

  • @Gl-fz1qy
    @Gl-fz1qy День назад

    As someone has pointed out, the answer does not satisfy the triangular inequality. In other words, I solved it using cosine rule and got 1/sqrt(5), but also found that cos(A) is not a real number, its square being equal to -0.0216

  • @alexundre8745
    @alexundre8745 День назад

    Bom dia Mestre
    Essa foi difícil 😮
    Grato pelos ensinamentos

  • @blogfilmes1134
    @blogfilmes1134 День назад

    Questão linda !

  • @timothyprice5240
    @timothyprice5240 День назад

    x=sqrt(0.2)=.4472 approx
    a = sin x, so x= inv sin a, meaning a = 26.57 degrees or .4636 radians
    b = cos x, so x= inv cos b, meaning b= 63.43 degrees or 1.1071 radians
    a - b is greater than x, whether x is in radians or degrees, meaning the triangle EDB cannot be constructed.
    Clearly a mistake in setting the question. The mistake is using x as both the angle for calculating a and b, and for the dimensions of AE, ED and DC. They are unrelated quantities.

  • @JSSTyger
    @JSSTyger День назад +1

    My only question is whether or not x is in degrees or radians when we take sin(x) and cos(x).

    • @marcgriselhubert3915
      @marcgriselhubert3915 День назад

      x is a (positive) real. Sin(x) and cos(x) have a meaning for x real. For x real, sin(x) = sin(angle (x rad mod 2.Pi)), id for cos. Normally we should always use radians and never degrees or other angle units to avoid this type of question.

  • @unknownidentity2846
    @unknownidentity2846 День назад

    Let's find x:
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    ..
    ...
    ....
    .....
    First of all we add the points F and G on BC such that BEF and BDG are right triangles. Since ABC is also a right triangle, we can apply the Pythagorean theorem to all these triangles:
    AC² = AB² + BC²
    BE² = EF² + BF²
    BD² = DG² + BG²
    (3x)² = AB² + BC²
    sin²(x) = (2*AB/3)² + (BC/3)²
    cos²(x) = (AB/3)² + (2*BC/3)²
    9x² = AB² + BC²
    sin²(x) = 4*AB²/9 + BC²/9
    cos²(x) = AB²/9 + 4*BC²/9
    9x² = AB² + BC²
    sin²(x) + cos²(x) = 4*AB²/9 + BC²/9 + AB²/9 + 4*BC²/9
    1 = 5*AB²/9 + 5*BC²/9 = 5*(AB² + BC²)/9 = 5*(9x²)/9 = 5*x² ⇒ x = 1/√5
    Best regards from Germany

    • @dirklutz2818
      @dirklutz2818 День назад

      Hi, Do you have any idea of the value of the smallest angle ACB? (my first guess is: 18 degrees or pi/10 rad)
      But now I don't think it's possible to calculate the angle!
      I got n² + m² = 0.2 and n² - m² = cos(2x)/3 = 0.208655 and therefore m² = -0.1043

  • @marcelowanderleycorreia8876
    @marcelowanderleycorreia8876 День назад

    O segmento a é perpendicular ao segmento AD, visto que divide AD em duas partes iguais, logo, AB = a. Então temos dois triângulos retângulos. Por Pitágoras, igualamos as duas equações e chegamos ao resultado posto pelo professor. Linda questão.

  • @wackojacko3962
    @wackojacko3962 День назад

    @ 2:15 Onomatopoetic. "Achoo!", I need Sinx! 🤧 ...it's the weekend and I act like it! Let's party! Moooooooooo 🙂

  • @prossvay8744
    @prossvay8744 День назад

    X=√5/5 units.

  • @himadrikhanra7463
    @himadrikhanra7463 День назад

    1 / 3 root 2 ?

  • @andreasproteus1465
    @andreasproteus1465 День назад +2

    There are many solutions: x = √5/5 + 2kπ, k = 0,1,2, ...
    This is not a very good problem though.

    • @marcgriselhubert3915
      @marcgriselhubert3915 День назад

      No, there is only one solution: (sqrt(5))/5, as obtained in the proof.
      Imagine k = 1,000,000 for example. The ABC triangle will be enormous but BE and BD always between 0 and 1... !

  • @PrithwirajSen-nj6qq
    @PrithwirajSen-nj6qq День назад

    a=sinx
    Sinx is meaningless as x is not any angle.

    • @marcgriselhubert3915
      @marcgriselhubert3915 День назад

      Sin(x) and cos(x) have a meaning for x real.

    • @montynorth3009
      @montynorth3009 День назад

      @@marcgriselhubert3915 So what are the lengths of a & b?

    • @marcgriselhubert3915
      @marcgriselhubert3915 День назад

      @@montynorth3009 a = sin((sqrt(5))/5) which is about 0.432, and b = cos((sqrt(5))/5) which is about 0.902, naturaly.