Parliament: Heated exchange between Grace Fu and WP's Jamus Lim over flexible carbon pricing
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- A heated exchange between Minister for Sustainability and the Environment Grace Fu and Workers' Party (WP) Member of Parliament (MP) Jamus Lim broke out in Parliament on Tuesday (Nov 8) over whether there should be flexibility in carbon pricing to take into account the economic situation.
As the two butted heads, Leader of the Opposition Pritam Singh stepped in at one point and said that either party ought to be seated when the other was speaking, as per usual parliament etiquette.
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Grace Fu @ 1:54 - Cutting people off in the middle of the speech is rude, further compounded by the lack of composure and constant ranting is indeed, quite a sight.
You can tell she felt threatened by Jamus Lim's confidence and stability in delivering his views and arguments
She has no manners and is childish. I Wonder why she behaves as if she is very smart. Shit
She really have no brain.she simply don't understand what is a budget and planning is to suit the environment or economic conditions.. this type of minister will really break up the country!!
@@Jwalker0075 It is pretty obvious to me that after so many years of peace in her "job" with no people challenging her position, suddenly there is one, of course the defensive stance is very strong !
She knows nut about the economy and just a ball carrier all these years. She doesn't even understand what JL is talking about, but is so defensive like a child loss mother.
What is the speaker of Parliament doing? Why must he wait for Mr Pritam to address the order? Isn't it supposed to be the Mr Speaker's Job?
Own people cannot be rude mah...
Hypocritical...if its opposition, he will ask them to stop or say something like what you trying to say
Now you know why LMW from PSP twist and turn just liked what they are doing too.
@@christophers2937 when yr rival twist and turn, what will u do ? do te same right? just plain game theory
he's not neutral
The arrogant and dismissive way she and many other PAP ministers behave is exactly why pap needs to be humbled and be a taught a lesson or two in the next election.
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same here, i agree with that
Sinkapore is SINKing with grace fu! 😮
pap rigs election rules so they have easier time winning
it takes a stupid amount of support to het them or or if they fucked up
Civil service is full of bosses like Grace Fu. Which is exactly why certain things can go wrong and stay wrong for years and years.
Don't think so
yes ! right on ! The way she questions...seen it
Lousy boss and that's why the company fails, but luckily this is not a commercial firm but a dept in the govt office
Majority of the citizens support arrogant bosses i.e. the ruling party
@@limlisa Only you don't think so.
What a shameful, embarrassing and cringe performance from Grace Fu. Honestly, the lack of decorum is just appalling - is this the 4G leader calibre that we are to expect next?
LMW did the same thing and they can't take it. It is also liked what they are doing beating around the bush
PAP has a lot of data on their hands- they can use it to explain themselves
Exactly, look at her all flustered and fumbling as opposed to Jamus' calm demeanor 🤣
This clearly reflects how WP Jamus Lim hold a robust debate in a profound manner vs a senior veteran in parliament whom lose one's composure when challenged.
she's lost. trying very hard to divert the argument to her favour, so as not to look lose face. this is what we have seen when aunties have an argument with new generation. Good job JL.
Other than contributing your critiques here, remember to vote for the party you support in the next General Election.
@@alzario7349 Other than contributing your critiques here, remember to vote for the party you support in the next General Election.
@@mll5530 can't wait for. that day to come
Not easy dealing with incompetency. Not surprised she lost her cool with him.
Go WP! Well done JL!
Jamus is just too good. Grace Fu has problematic understanding him, let alone able to engage in the debate intellectually. Gotcha! Grace Fu!
Can tell what sort of a boss she is. Thinks everyone suggestions are nonsense and taking it quite personal rather than being practical and be wise into understanding the suggestions given. She doesn't want to listen as the suggestions are not even entirely against what is being set already.
yes ! only hers is correct !
She is not a good boss. Just too arrogant and self-centered
Arrogance and elitism common in Singapore
So you agree that taxation (carbon tax, in this case) should be like a market, where it fluctuates, without caring an individual's life/difficulties/other factors? She was being practical; since JL gave the suggestion, complete the story. Dont just throw some random numbers and give an open path...
"I'm the boss....and you're not"
I won't be surprised if Jamus' suggestion is adopted under another name passed by pap just like the progressive wage that WP suggested years ago.
Actually it is Jamus who is offering a wishy washy solution. Corporations cannot plan if targets are changed at govt's whim using GDP figures. Jamus is offering theory solutions as if he teaching students and not meeting hard requirements of foreign investors.
Other than contributing your critiques here, remember to vote for the party you support in the next General Election.
So you mean that corporate knows ahead how much next year's utilities bill and bank interest rates would be? Wont corporate also project and accrude for next year's budget?
@@mll5530 Why would you vote for idiots who talk theory? If you are boss, would you hire workers who complain, biatch, point finger and blame others all the time and yet cannot deliver better work?
@@scbchong6964 Hello. I do not why RUclips has deleted your reply.
Anyway, I did not state which party I will vote for in my comments here. I have merely suggested to people here to remember to vote for the party they so support.
Funny sia grace fu so threatened. I applaud Jamus for his calm composure.
Jamus
She is so stubborn and arrogant cannot accept opposition feedback.
Other than contributing your critiques here, remember to vote for the party you support in the next General Election.
@@mll5530 Ya correct put our words to action during election day. Talk too much also no point doesnt change anything.
Very DisGrace Fu
As a Malaysian, this is the calmest heated exchange in parliament 😂
Grace Fu is basically asking Jamus Lim to predict the future, while Jamus is just saying to be prepared because the future is uncertain. I don't know what Grace doesn't understand, cause it seems pretty clear to me.
Agree . If economic conditions doesn’t sustain the target set I am pretty sure govt will adjust the target to reflect reality and explain the situation. As a govt I would rather have the flexibility to adapt and adjust than not. Jamus made sense while Grace just went on one way traffic
Pretty sure disgracefu wasnt there to debate, she was sent there to announced her boss's decision and enforce it. Then in comes the underdog of WP then she stress.
sadly… she is clueless
Well done Jamus! Keep the pressure up and don't tell them the idea or they (PAP) will take your ideas as they are theirs!
Other than contributing your critiques here, remember to vote for the party you support in the next General Election.
So how you prove you know better?
Well done Jamus Lim !
can't wait for next ge. WP need more seats in the parliament.
@@alzario7349 Other than contributing your critiques here, remember to vote for the party you support in the next General Election.
@@mll5530 can't wait for that day to come.
Where is the Grace? And what is the Speaker doing??? Sleeping is it?
So Dis-Grace-Fu(l)
These people sits comfortably on the ivory tower. They just give orders,no questions to be asked. Next moment reports frantically prepared by their stressed minions will be on their table. That's why it is a strange and uncomfortable feeling when they find themselves being asked about this and that especially from people who are not their bosses.
You forgot Jamus is also a high-paid Professor in his ivory tower. He talks alot but solution is not better than PAP govt's. And Pritam is paid $30k per month but never do any research to show why Jamus' solution is better.
Surprise to see a Minister lose her coolness in debating w a new opposition MP. Very embarrassment.
Well done JL.
It is so funny... in the UK, Rishi Sunak has to be reminded to stand up and respond, and here we have someone who refuses to sit down 😆
Pls play these videos again when the next ge is about to come, just to let voters know 😅
Let's not make the same mistake we did previously
Vote WP!
Jamus you're best calm and well explained.
Need more opposition MP's like Jamus in Parliament.
Why Grace Fu talk like auntie that is so unhappy after question/challenge by JL😅👻🙏
She talk business lol
felt threatened !
senior citizens are sensitive. must always win. still living in 70's era.😊
wow... Amazing Jamus. GF's ways appeared to be fearful and threatened. The way she demanded the answer.. She seemed to lose her composer.
"lose her composer"...does she has one??
@@justineesun3396 He gave a substantiative suggestion. You can't have a fixed quantum but a floating one just liked interest rates. How could one asked for the rate in 2024 and 2025? Just liked currencies and interest rates , they fluctuate according to the economic situation. How could one just answer how much? You could take a base figure of SGD 25 and then adjust according to the market situation.
@@justineesun3396 I meant composure. Not sure she has .
Speaker working hours only when opposition talk ah?
This is a joke that can happen in Singapore parliament. She shame herself, her colleague and all the goverment servant that exist.
i really dont understand why SIngaporeans are able to tolerate having these kind of ruling party MPs
all of them really in the comfort zone,thinking things get decide all have listen like we are school children....once get questioned blow out temple and can't accept.
Grace Fu is implying that Jamus might as well have a range between 0 and infinity.
Auntie, please stop disgracing the Parliament la
Well said Jamus! Government should take the suggestion constructively and ponder about it.
Actually it is Jamus who is offering a wishy washy solution. Corporations cannot plan if targets are changed at govt's whim using GDP figures. Jamus is offering theory solutions as if he teaching students and not meeting hard requirements of foreign investors.
@@scbchong6964 do you drive? Do you know gasoline prices move all the time? Price of chicken also change all the time, price of rice also change, even my grab food delivery fee also change all the time. It's part of running a business.
@@SirSX3 Do you own a factory that runs polluting machinery? Do you plan for plant installation and machinery purchase? The carbon tax has to be indicated years ahead and fixed so that business owners can plan with a reasonable fixed cost item.
btw gasoline is traded and subject to futures contracts in USD. You know a bit but kpkb alot.
@@scbchong6964 lolllllll was that supposed to be a clap down to show off that you know a lot 🤣🤣🤣🤣
As someone here that copy and paste their reply to EVERY comment in this post, you want to complain that someone ELSE is kpkb???
You're the one here kpkb, who can't understand the concept of short term and long term cost estimates.
Let me educate you: the purpose of this carbon pricing is to price in the negative externalities over environmental production into the cost calculations of the business, so that they make changes to their equipment and processes to be more sustainable.
Any short term fluctuation is not gonna affect your calculations because you have the long term estimate to plan ahead.
Maybe all that is going over your head, so I'll make it even more simple for you. Let's say you want to drive from your home to your workplace by 8am. Grace is saying you must drive 60mh/h the whole trip to reach there by 8am, Jamus is saying you can speed up and slow down depends on the traffic but in the end you're still gonna get there by 8am. You're still gonna be able to plan long term, that is that you're gonna be at work by 8am. Then you guys over here so focused on the wrong thing here, asking then how will I know what speed I'll be driving at 7am? Maybe you and grace both don't understand what you're talking about? 🤔
It's very clear that you're arguing not from an economic disagreement, but from a partisan point of view, and that makes it pointless for this conversation to continue.
@@SirSX3 Have you worked in ops and planning management? Fixed cost is more palatable since this is a new corporate tax worldwide. Fix it for a couple of business cycles at least, for planning certainty. Opposition supporters and haters like you point-finger and blame govt alot but actually got no experience in matters. btw why hero-worship Jamus for shoddy guess-work? He is a highly-paid ivory tower academic, hor. Never build factory plant or run successful business. Never even run NGO.
It sounds like you are nothing more than an arrogant, self-important Hater, hero-worshipping at the Opposition cult. Why practice cancel culture on PAP govt?
Dis-GraceFu-L
Social media never fail to magnify the wrong focus.
The real problem is the debate on carbon tax and not how MP conduct themselves which is entirely a separate issue.
You know, PAP has many times talk down opposition conducts. 377a. Example
The minister can be more gracious. If you have a strong point, the cantankerous tone of voice actually reduces the effect of the point
She is only after the answer she wants to hear?
Does Singapore Parliament still hold Westminster style tradition in debate? Looks messy here.
Ruling party has been over the years condition to debate policies within the party members comfortably and engage in public by not so up to mark opposition which is relatively mild. Now that the opposition of much higher quality has been voted in, a new dynamic has emerged to bridge the comforting environment PAP back benchers enjoy versus the uplifting of the opposition to challenge policy makers and i think, this result in the betterment of both sides which will help singapore to forge ahead with better ruling and opposite members. In the past, the ruling party, with very able men and women, has have done a very good job except for occasional show of elitism which can be at best described as confidence if you look on the bright side or arrogance if you choose to view it negatively. My take is some ruling party minister and MPs do need to bark up more in how they carry themselves and not negate their true desire in making singapore a better place. So, let's be positive. (Josh Au made a good point below). In short, keep everyone on their toes is good for us as a whole. I love Singaore.
SG Govt needs to be transparent in their setting and forward projection of policy, for example carbon tax. They can’t anyhow change it at last minute, for example after declaring the carbon tax for next year, next day change the figure by saying due to economic uncertainty. This is important so that business owners are able to factor that projection risk into their investment decision making. No business welcome last minute changes, and may consider pack up their investments elsewhere for too many Govt flip flop policy.
and do you really think that this shall (ever) happen? Look, at the HDB saga... have one not even learnt the basic of lesson?
@@justineesun3396 everyone knows HDB provides subsidies through various grants and priority queues for many types of applications. It’s open secret such grants couldn’t be fairly implemented otherwise there will be uproar when singaporean starts to do comparisons why they are given lesser grants than their neighbours.
@@justineesun3396 HDB and Privately Owned Corporations are 2 VERY different scenarios.
These is very absurb argument by the lady. When she have no stance in the argument. She try to turn around questioning what she need to reply. This is disgusting and hilarious. The way she behave is simply arrogant.
It just like a professor talking to a O level student
Condescending attitude by Minister
very rude GF but again i am not surprised at all
As usual, opposition is bullied. Speaker not intervening at all.
Normally is Opposition scrutinise Government plans in Parliament, over here it's Government scrutinising Opposition plans in Parliament lol
I think PAP ministers a bit too comfortable liao
Fu just proved the point that Singapore is run like a corporation and an SME at that. I can already imagine being part of her department: throwing her weight around and outright rejecting proposals with a snarky remark.
Grace is asking jamus for a more rigid figure, cause as minister she got no clues and sought a fortune teller for an answer😂!
Jamus talk like economy no good should reduce the cigarette price and Ms Fu reply is whether economy good or no good we should focus on people health.
Grace Fu is acting like a prosecutor. she also said on many occasions that she is not to sure.Always being defensive and not even considering Jamus idea or proposal.Typical PAP for they have not been challenge.Whem they are no more the government all their short commings and bad policy will be expose.
Grace Fu reminds of my teacher who loves to cut and doesn’t allow me to justify my points when presenting.
Jamus lim keep it up
Aiyo, just how the bloody petrol cartel how they use varying rate for petrol prices lah.
The arrogance of the ruling party 🥳
Even I a layman can understand Jamus’s point of view.. she can’t? It’s just like interest rates… so is she going to question how the bank come up with all the rates? 😅
As a borrower, I dislike variable interest rates and prefer it to be fixed. Unfortunately the banks don't allow it beyond 3 yrs
You cannot compare carbon tax to interest rate. Carbon tax should have it's long term target based on policy decision. Is there such a thing as long term target for interest rate? No.
@@mohamadromzee7394 Why not? As long as the final amount is met. Flexibility is the point Jamus is selling.
@@fr0sty1983
First to link carbon tax as equivalent or similar to interest rate is misleading. From the exchange I assume that Jamus would agree that there would be a final figure reached at the end period. The government approached would be a gradual incremental increase to the target figure. Jamus suggestion would imply possibly greater fluctuations year to year since it does not have a pre-determined path but would reach the same target figure. At the end of the day , the carbon tax is to prompt businesses to have a more sustainable practice. If they don't want to change then they have to pay more tax.
@@mohamadromzee7394 I think you're mistaken. Jamus' solution is also for gradual increment, it's just that for each "step" of the process, rather than inflexibility sticking to the amount you set 5 years ago, you look at the economic conditions at the time and adjust accordingly. That's what they were debating at the start of the exchange in the video when they said the price ranges. There is effectively not much difference from the business pov because there is an expected rate even if they don't know the exact rate.
So it's not that you're driving around with "no predetermined path"; there is a "predetermined path", he's just asking for flexibility over the speed limit of that path. e.g. You can drive faster if there's no traffic, and drive slower if there's a traffic jam; vs. you have to drive 60km/h at all times. It doesn't mean that you can't plan your trip, and you'll still get to the same destination, it's just the path is more flexible.
Well done WP
WTF Jamus just read some articles want to act like expert. Argue just for the sake of arguing wasting everybody time.
It's principal Grace Fu tackling student Jamus Lim...
No wonder she didn't observe parliamentary rules...
Troubling a slip of tongue is I am a business. The government are now just business
Is she educated?
does the white needed education to be elected?? or simply coated in another GRC or given free loading to appointment in the many other areas??
Not in the field she is appointed to at the moment. Minister Of Sustainability and Environment but has Bachelor of Accountancy and Master of Business Administration. Shouldn't she be in Finance?
I kinda feel that grace fu just wanted a fight, jamus lim didnt seem like he was trying to escalate it he was actually trying to have a civil conversation.
0.30 - 0.32 People tend to blink rapidly when under some sort of stress. You may have heard that rapid blinking often suggests dishonesty, but this isn't always the case. Someone's blinking may speed up when they're: working through a difficult problem.
basically .... typical PAP ministers' characters - they want others to obey rules while they could go as they wish ..... but this is also one thing the WP needs to learn from them - Grace Fu immediately apologized without hesitation when being pointed out by Pritam ...
Confused
Not quite friendly
He is just too good.
So how would Grace Fu explain to businesses now that the water price has gone up ....was that in your original plan to do so in 2023 ?
She is too arrogant
Dont know but still argue
Jamus Lim is trying his best to apply against everything being constant. his argument does make sense. To quote another minister, we follow market forces for the prices of HDB...
That lady so arrogant
Lol why is she so defensive
Her behaviour and attitude really unparliamentary and not minister-like.
Good thing Leader of Opposition there to be the voice of reason before things get worst. Don't know wtf the Speaker, who is supposed to enforce these rules, is not doing anything.
Actually it is Jamus, a highly-paid professor, who is giving impractical suggestion. Pritam is paid $30k per month but no research documents to offer better solution than govt.
Just let the opposition MP get bashed.Not fair
these people cannot take the hit!
No use debate with PAP people they are always right
Top govt post should be share with opposition .
IS HOW U PUT UP TO CONVINCE ALL RATHER THEN HAVING PEOPLE HAVING DOUBTS..
This digraceful if she so good she already out in private sector😊
She is like talking to her siblings. During her days over at PSA. She don't know what behave or talk about in such manner. She must have pick it up during her days as a minister. Jamus represent the voter that the citizen voted. Discussing with him in such manner is disrespectful to the voters of Singapore
Actually it is Jamus who is offering a wishy washy solution. Corporations cannot plan if targets are changed at govt's whim using GDP figures. Jamus is offering theory solutions as if he teaching students and not meeting hard requirements of foreign investors.
@@scbchong6964 ...go read up Carbon taxes and one shall see the much (flaw) the G trying to extract taxes in composition Again from the people... herein while the debate is focus on economic usage for the variation....so, how is Prof Jamus' 'wrong'?
@@justineesun3396 Do you own any factories and subject to carbon tax and lowering of emissions/pollution levels? Do you have any experience planning the installation of factory equipment? Or you blindly sucking up to Jamus?
@@scbchong6964 ...interestingly while the answer have yet to be forth coming, already the flaw contain, only factories pay carbon taxes??...go get some basic education if not learn a bit from Prof Jamus Lim...trusting he earned the title to be addressed thus.
@@justineesun3396 His title is to teach econs 101 university students lah. He never build successful business or build factories. All his ideas copy from USA liberal-rights-democracy propaganda. Plus he got zero experience hiring, training and managing singaporeans and foreigners. btw you got a uni degree?
Jamus does not know what he is talking about. I am working in Waste company overseas, carbon Credits r fixed not according to economic conditions. Industries are required to take certain measures to meet their carbon credit target, if Carbon credit targets are adjusted up n down according to.what Jemus likes, this would create nightmare for businesses.
I well vote u WP
Grace Fu has good points. Businesses need certainty in numbers. A proposal to "glide" based on conditions sounds good but there is a lot of work that needs to be done regarding transition points on that glide. In addition, the situation of global warming is dire. Large and sweeping changes need to be made now. As a low lying island, we have every reason to make changes for the climate.
However her tone and attitude made this very uncomfortable to watch. We should not be learning from the shitshow that is US politics. Respect is necessary for a meaningful debate and in choosing the best path forward.
On that note, excellent job to Jamus Lim for keeping his cool.
Didn't we have a Public Transport Committee that come out with a fare regulation framework? Set up a committee to suggest how we should glide our carbon tax rate each year, like what our PTC done to our transport fare each year. 😅
Jamus is offering theory to investors who need practical, hard targets to plan their machinery and plant equipment purchases. Really low-quality Opposition, eh. WP supporters really need to stop their infatuation with this self-important jerk.
My salute to you Ms Fu can tahan this guy rubbish.
Good dancer
No experience in decision making for companies expenditure/,,fixed cost
Well Done WP MP you just do a great job and make PAP Mp Knows we all down people are really cannot stand anymore with thier GST so high Up and only they can tink is the big-Big companys on top and they rice bowls. But we people poor below they nvr ever really want to tink about.
First world parliament minister should be prepared when questions are raised by MPs. No need to speak like market aunties shouting. Clearly display no confident & no solution but only clitch onto million $$ salary & pension when retired being squeezed from public. Argue for the sake of arguing makes no sense. Do your homework first & don't let others teach you what to do is to save integrity. Last resort is to step down GraceFully by keeing quiet without getting pension as had drawn millions in the past.
Show trial
How she is in a ministerial position is an absolute mystery. Throw a rock and you hit anyone who can make better arguments than her.
Relac lah. Why need to lose your cool. One is for climate target, another cares for ordinary folks' livehood. Every tax will somehow affects the consumers in the end.
Both are Singaporean who wish to do the best for Singapore. Abolish political party so there no hatred only sensible discussion.
Nope, pap are not running the country for the good of fellow citizens but only for themseleves.
@@yihaooo6924 and foreigners. Vote them out!
Nah they need to sack the speaker who is clearly bias and appoint a speaker who hates politicians in general.
In my humble opinion, the opposition asked a very standard question in which could have been addressed fairly easily by Grace Fu since she already have all the facts and data from the ministry thus i dont see why this "heated" exchange need to occur. We welcome debates in the parliament but It is the way she lose her composure and her manner of speech that cause this unnecessary and unfortunate exchange. This is exactly the kind of attitude that makes PAP's fight to remain in governance an uphill battle election after election.
ya you ask question and people can also ask you back and end up your answer is worse lol
Jemus is correct
Grace Fu....only good in Karaoke 🎤....
Jamus may be speaking calmly but as a business owner I have no idea what he is talking about. I need real numbers. There is also no stress on his part because its not his job to come up with any solution
I am neither on PAP/Workers Party. What is important for me is does the suggested policy move Singapore and influence her neighbors on the importance of handling our climate and increase the chance of Singapore survival. The policy explained by James is poorly formulated. It is vague and will be confusing for the grounds to implement with various ground parties interpreting and framing it for political and bureaucratic means. It will NOT move an inch to doing anything for our part to tackle climate and likely lead to a waste of resources trying to implement such a policy. Western and American systems have a tendency to do and come out with such policy. There is really no meat and purpose of what is being discussed. Singapore can surely do better than this.
yup more tax, why ppl here love it ? because of opp?
Jamus suggestion is an administrative nightmare that impacts cost and taxes…
Interest rates has profits being calculated in… bad example
Other countries taxes rate keep adjusting too. Why shouldn't we do the same for carbon tax?
@@fr0sty1983 specifically and on what condition
It's their condescending debates like these that pisses Singaporeans off. Authoritarianism is full display
Sometimes woman must be put in their place when they are rude and incompetent
Dis-Grace-Fu
Pritam reminded her that manners must be upheld, like a father to a daughter
Actually it is Jamus, a highly-paid professor, who is giving impractical suggestion. Pritam is paid $30k per month but no research documents to offer better solution than govt.
@@scbchong6964 Then pay them more, because by you and your master's logic, higher pay = better solutions
Wow Pritam, standing up for his team member boldly. That was the turning point in this argument
Great leader will never abandon his ship leaving his crews to drown. Even there's a traitor on board, he will fight to the end. WP will stay strong 💪💪💪
sometimes woman must be put in their place when they are rude and incompetent
Dis-Grace-Fu
@@xijinpig7978 ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
@@xijinpig7978 This is not about gender, my friend. She is at fault for not sitting down
He gotta step in because WP is losing out in the debate
having an opposition party's opinion is great to challenge our ministers' assumptions. This discussion could have been beneficial for both parties if handled in a calm and composed manner. I hope that wp can compliment's pap's leadership while pap could learn to take feedbacks more positively.
Feudal Ministers are worst lot of all .. as all system goes, there ain;t need for any (further enhance) knowledge for all are done by the civil institutions, simply drawing Millions salary as a default... needing very much opinion voices for checks and balances ie..oppositions!
Pap will never, ever accept opposition feedbacks and even if they do, they will never admit that the good results are not due to opposition 's credit.
@@yihaooo6924 That’s true
@@yihaooo6924 Yes they will as they are theirs.
Other than contributing your critiques here, remember to vote for the party you support in the next General Election.
3 cheers to Jamus for his composure...
Hopefulli he stays at sengkang. He is getting good
Well done,Jamus
3 CHEERS 3 CHEERS 3 CHEERS FOR JAMUS
The young voters will not BE taking kindly to arrogance displayed by PAP know-all ministers.
Other than contributing your critiques here, remember to vote for the party you support in the next General Election.
let the grave be digging by the hands that lord over the populace with eventuality, that those opposed set to turn the tide...those for, sustain in the continuing of such bullying...simple VOTE counts!
Its funny how the Gov selects their cabinet ministers. A ex army general in charge of education when he has no background experience in educational leadership. A ex accountant in charge of sustainability when she has no background experience in green technology and a doctor who is in charge of manpower while some nobody who has no relevant experience is in charge of health. Is that what meritocracy is?
whom voted them in?
they won't admit their mistake for appointing a weak candidate. 😊
Becos that general either have connections to the lees or that are good at boot licking.
They dont need to be an expert lah, juat need to manage the smart people who are doing the job for them
@@eatdrinkrunwalk true but they cant even seems to manage well.
James Lim should have just asked Grace Fu what the interest rates in 2025 would be. Point would have gone through clearer.
agree.