your point about empathy and building connections to others through that is very important to embody throughout our daily lives. initially at the start of everything regarding this situation, because it is so removed from my own material reality, i was confused why everyone cared and why they felt so hurt about a public figure's relationship that i chalked it up to parasocialin' and neglected to mindfully interrogate why people were reacting this way and developing compassion/gaining understanding of the situation entirely. just because we're removed from a situation that many people care about doesn't mean that it's not important or that it's not something that should be taken seriously. god this is such a good fucking video
pinning this not (only) to fuel my ego but also because i really wanna emphasize the points you took from this. operating from a place of empathy and positive social interaction should always be the goal
@@naritruwireve1381 i very much value growth and being able to see the errors of my ways so it can actually be pretty easy-- the hardest part is just the mild guilt i feel when i realize i may have been wrong/misguided about something. thank you 😊
As an older millennial who experienced a lot of workplace harassment by male bosses, I am really happy the world is more “sensitive” about this stuff. The guys who did that weren’t fired and I was made fun of for reporting it. It’s been cathartic to see the cultural shift around this tbh. That’s why I’ve been so fascinated- it’s weirdly healing in a way.
From a 30year old woman, thank you for sharing your experiences, insights, and perceptions. Firstly, I’m so sorry that you have such experiences to share at all. I can only imagine that it must be a painful weight to carry. In case nobody has ever told you: It wasn’t your fault. You did nothing to cause it. You should never had had to carry the burden of trying to remedy and stop it. It was as wrong as you remember & feel. Whatever you’re feeling, it’s perfectly natural to be feeling that way. I believe you. I believe that you never deserved it, and never caused it. I believe that you were hurt, and that it was a traumatic experience. I believe that you were failed by your employers and colleagues. I believe that you deserved better. And I’m sorry. Men, as a class, will never understand what it’s like to experience sexual harassment, to fear it, to consciously try and avoid it. Men as a class really believe that it’s complimentary at best, awkward, and a bit creepy or uncomfortable at worse. I can definitely appreciate how seeing the Try Guys address things like they did is healing for you. It reminds me of inner child work- going back in time mentally/emotionally to address unmet needs of your inner child from the perspective of an adult, & reparenting & protecting that child to heal current day issues & patterns. I don’t know if you watch Boze vs the world, if you like true crime I think you’ll love her. She reminds me of this guy, & has invaluable insights- whilst also being wicked funny. Boze was giving commentary on the try guys video and said “I don’t know about you guys but- I feel _taken care of_ “. That really summed it up best, & Mayim sounds like that has really been you experience too, like they’ve gone back in time to support you. I’m wishing you every happiness, love, peace, and comfort on your continued journey of healing and blooming.
True, even though people are still fighting on the internet about it, I'm glad that the culture is shifting. I'm 31 and I remember in college I was made to feel really uncomfortable by an incel-y guy in my dorm. But when I told my RAs about it, they were so dismissive of me. They thought that I was overreacting and that this guy isn't that bad. I ended up socially isolating myself to avoid this guy, such as my not sitting at my dorm's table in the dining hall. Even though I moved out to an apartment the next year (out of desperation to get the hell out of there) I spiraled into anxiety and depression for the next several years. This kind of crap was happening not too long ago, it was like a completely different world.
I'm on that line between millennial and Gen Z (Currently 27), but I can still relate. I've had such traumatic experiences at work due to workplace harassment, and a lot of pressure was put on me not to formally report it in one case as the guy had a wife and kids, in the second I couldn't report it because the guy harassing me was the only access I had to the HR forms. I also had situations like it at University. In my 2nd and 3rd year, I was in a flat of all men, where I was the only girl (random assignment, not my choice). Most of them were really nice and I didn't feel at all threatened, but when one guy started to behave in a really creepy way towards me, the other guys thought I was overreacting and that I should be more understanding as he had a lot of issues, they really didn't attempt to understand at all how frightened I was, even though the guy never did anything really extreme. However, because of the attitude of my flatmates, I never reported it as they made me feel like it was all in my head.
He didn't harass her they were in a relationship outside of his marriage that's why it's called an affair. The fact that she walked away from that unscathed is absolutely disgusting. She was as much a part of the Affair as him. Come on women start taking responsibility and hold yourself accountable
@@jaynehogue2459 She’s not the one who made a commitment to be faithful. She was also not the boss, she was the subordinate. Of the two of them, she wasn’t the one making the worst transgressions. People always blame the woman in an affair when it’s the man who needed to keep it in his pants. Honestly I’m glad he’s getting the brunt of the anger in this situation.
I also don't like how they mentioned Beyonce getting cheated on. Like that's a bigger deal than Ariel being cheated on, it hurts equally regardless of their social status
Yeah it's so dismissive about the hurt that anyone would experience from getting cheated on. I don't care about Beyonce as a public figure/musician (sorry), but she's a person too.
I’m honestly not surprised that SNL did a nasty job with that skit. SNL has a history of sexual harassment and abuse behind the scenes and one of Ned’s friends (who works as a writer for the show) was credited as one of the writers for that skit. 😬
If you're referring to Alex and Ned, this is not true. Ned and Ariel got married before they moved out to LA and he started working for Buzzfeed. Alex met the Try Guys and started working with them before they left Buzzfeed and she was engaged when the story broke, but her fiance seems to have broken the engagement. They didn't attend each other's weddings because one of the weddings hadn't happened yet (and probably never will now) and one of the weddings happened before they even met.
@@sophie1060 I guess the same thing applies than. Ned got married before he met them. Zach and Eugene aren't married (yet). Keith had them as best men at his wedding though. So 1 out of 4.
32 year old male parent of two daughters here. I discovered the Try Guys just about maybe 4 months ago and have been a huge fan ever since. I binged all their content and it was so beautiful to have found a channel with such an immense amount of displayed support for each other, wholesomeness and non-toxic masculinity. As strange as it might be for many people, I have loved the shows for the representation of myself. I'm only a bit younger than Ned, I am absolutely crazy about my wife and kids and I try to be the best husband and parent I can be every single day. So it was very cool to have someone who resembles me in a way, even though it was sometimes clearly too much to not be an act. I'm not as active on social media as many others and I only heard about the situation when they released the RUclips statement. I was devastated. Absolutely flabbergasted. I mean... of course it was obvious that some of the stuff was only for the show but overall I had hoped for Ned to be a good husband and father. And while the fact that he cheated not necessarily means he is a horrible dad to his children it still means he betrayed his family in a way that is pretty much a superlative. The question that keeps me coming back to this is: Was that worth it? Was sleeping with someone else really worth losing just about everything in your life? And while I am not a big fan of Alex knowingly betraying Ariel I am not going to shit on her. I haven't heard her side yet. The one thing that I will say is: People. Really. Being faithful is not hard. It is a simple decision each and every time a situation arises in which the opportunity would be given. It is as simple as just saying "No". And I'm speaking from experience. I got together with my wife when I was 18. I proposed with 19. We married when I was 24 (didn't have enough money for a wedding before that), our first daughter was born when I was 28 and we were blessed with our second daughter just this year. Over these years my wife and I have spent 4 years in a long distance relationship due to me going to a university. I am not the best with women but I would have had more than just a few opportunities to cheat on my wife and she'd have never found out. But guess what - it was a simple "No." each and every time. It's not hard. We can't run around pretending to be the pride of creation and above our wild instincts if we give in to such stupid urges as easily. Seriously... I am truly at awe how many people make faithfulness out to be such a difficult thing when it really is as easy. Just don't cheat. Sorry, since when has it become okay for people to defend cheating on spouses? I mean... I don't want to seem like cheaters are the worst people in the world but what their actions can cause is not a small deal - there's always someone being cheated on. How can anyone think it's okay to downplay that... ? Good video, interesting to hear your thoughts.
You seem like an amazing husband and father, I definitely want to work hard to be the best husband and father( if I have kids), and ur post has really helped me figure out what future I want to work to have
It was so weird to watch that SNL skit. Like, how un self aware are they? When the woman said Jay Z cheating on Beyoncé was no big deal. Like, how could a normal person say that? When was cheating not a big deal? Also, the skit never mentioned that Ned was having an affair with his employee. A person he signs the paycheck for. Like, that is an important detail.
They made it sound like they were completely separate channels, either to downplay the situation or because they had no idea what they were talking about
I mean it's like when David Letterman admitted, on his show, that someone was trying to blackmail him over relationships he'd had with people who worked under him. He was applauded as being so brave! Almost everyone seemed to miss that he was admitting that he routinely dates women who work for him, which is definitely an abuse of workplace power IMO, whether those women wanted to genuinely date him or not.
There’s a great always sunny in Philadelphia episode that tangentially relates to this. Dennis wants to bring girls on a boat and ask to have sex with them, he says they will agree because of “the implication”. The implication being that the women would think he would rape them if they said no, since they would be alone in the middle of the ocean with no way to ask for help. As the audience we have complete knowledge of the situation and know that Dennis would not in fact do this. But the important thing is that the women in the situation do not have complete knowledge, so their decisions are based on whether or not they think he will rape them, regardless of what he would actually do. In that same sense uneven power dynamics like the one between worker and boss can only ever exist in this place of having to “trust” the member with more power will not abuse that power. Which is not a place I’d like to be. I can hope that my boss wouldn’t use their power to coerce me into doing something I don’t want to do, but I can never know for sure, and it will always be an option for them. At the end of the day we aren’t equals, and the relationship rests on how ethical the boss is. And considering that they aren’t ethical enough to not date a subordinate in the first place, I wouldn’t bet on them respecting me.
Thank you for this comment. I don’t watch It’s always sunny in Philedelphia but I kept hearing about this boat analogy. Thank you for explaining plus the in depth analysis.
I haven't watched Try Guys for a long time, but Ned's cheating scandal (and other celebrities that did the same) makes me feel like I need to learn as much as possible from what happened to them to avoid guys that could potentially do that to me. I mean being together 10+ years, having multiple kids with your spouse, have your spouse publicly gush about you, and then getting betrayed would be a complete nightmare for a lot of normal people, regardless if you care about these celebrities or not. Also the dismissiveness of Jay-Z's cheating on Beyonce is toxic in itself. It's not ok to cheat. It's never ok.
yes, when someone is overtly pushing the "look I'm in a relationship", goes out of their way publicly to show they are in a relationship, they are compensating.
@@CantEscapeFlorida but that does come with the question of “what counts as out of the way?” While I think almost everyone can agree that Ned making his entire brand his wife and kids was “out of his way”, there are people (me included) who don’t think Adam Levine was really a “wife guy” or went out of his way to bring up his wife. Yet he still cheated on her.
I saw a video on tiktok (the app removed it) where someone was talking about their mom's take on the whole thing. The moon had instantly called out which of the try guys had cheated upon seeing a picture and it became a discussion on how often did he refer to his wife by name. Instead of calling her Ariel, how often did he just refer to her as "my wife" and the possible reasons for that. (Seeing her more as something to possess than a person, not wanting to say the wrong name, and other possibilities. ) I'm no expert in this, but the video was interesting when it was still up.
If we forgot the word punishment, what they did is remove a potential abusive superior member of their team from an environment where he would have access to a plethora of subordinates over whom he could exert power to take advantage of them. It doesn’t even matter that he is married in this situation or if Alex “consented.” If a boss has been known to be inappropriate to at least one person he has direct power over in a company, that is enough of a problem to fire him so he no longer has access to those potential victims. It’s not a punishment or vengeance or whatever else. It is a safety measure for their employees. Logic prevails here regardless of emotion
Unless of course you're the boss like Bill Gates, who dipped into the company cookie jar so often and so blatantly that he married a subordinate and no one really talked about it ever... He met Melinda while she worked under him and he cheated on her with many people who worked there too, just a reminder that you get held to zero standards the more zeroes in front of your net worth
This. Plus: If this would not have had consequences his power over the next subordinate would even be more complex, as he could say or imply that nothing will happen to him, even if they spoke up about it...
Why do people let her slide she was as much a part of the affair as him. The fact that she's walking away from this unscathed and people are defending her is vomit-inducing
@@jaynehogue2459 This conversation is about how firing him is a safety measure and not punishment. Nothing was said about her because OP wasn’t commenting on her at all.
One of the best "takes" on the Try Guys "situation". So many folks fail to understand the actions of the Try Guys...they are owners of a multi-million dollar company with 20 plus employees. If their company went down, 20 people would be unemployed, and maybe even ruined because of the actions of one owner. The Try Guys did the right thing, saving their company, and caring for their employees.
Yes! I've seen so many people say what horrible friends they were for what they did. But fail to realize that he was the one who was a horrible friend. They only see the 4 guys and think it's just them, not their whole crew
@@alyssabrown-carleton6173 people need to watch their office tour on Architechtural Digest. To afford an office renovation that expensive, a company DEFINITELY has employees. I shake my head as the cost of that reno is easily $1 million +. Wouldn’t be surprised if it was 2 or 3 times that much as there are always surprises when walls get opened up. It’s estimated they make $6 million a year before taxes. So it’s likely they are still paying for that reno. There are so many responsibilities beyond “a bunch a friends making content”.
I did run this situation by my parents because they both had relevant but different experience/knowledge and have absolutely no clue who the try guys are (they barely understand what youtubers are in general but they try--we love boomers who try to engage) and after giving them the general gist of the try guys and what they do and who they are I then explained the outline of the scandal and they both stopped me when i got to "Ned slept with a subordinate" they both independently of one another agreed that that was enough for them to fire someone and cut their loses no matter what, no matter if it was consensual or not, whether either party was in another relationship or not, they both were like "no more context is needed he has to go". The interesting part were the reasons they gave because those were what was different, my dad having been a lawyer for decades with one of the biggest global electronics/appliance companies came at exactly how'd you'd expect a corporate lawyer to look at it, "yeah i could think of hundred different ways they could get sued", and my mom, who founded and ran her own company for 30 years and is now on the board, was like "just having that work environment would be so detrimental to productivity that any losses incurred with his departure would be justified". And these are two people who absolutely do not give a fuck about these dudes one way or another it was merely their professional assessments. Food for thought for those that are still under the impression that "ned was fired for cheating".
All of this. It would've been a very different situation if it got out that he'd cheated on Ariel with someone outside of the company. That would've been more a private, personal matter between Ned and Ariel. Still a ton of complications, just from how they both work for the company, the loss of trust with everyone, and how it would tarnish their brand. But Ned could have possibly stayed. The truth is, in that scenario, they might not have been able to fire him anyway. I mean, unless cheating was in their contracts as a firable offense. It still would've been messy, but a hiatus, then some public amends to Ariel, the guys, the staff and the fans, might've made for a much-needed catharsis and redemption arc. But that's not what happened. This was an HR issue first. The whole problem is that he had a workplace relationship with a subordinate. Even if they were both single, it still would've been an issue. It's the whole reason Zach spent a month working with lawyers to make sure they didn't sued a hundred different ways, like your dad said. The fact that it was cheating was a secondary consideration.
@@lunacouer Most media companies do have morality clauses in their employment contracts that if a an employee's behavior jeopardizes the companies reputation that is a fireable offense, safe to assume since buzzfeed is a silent partner in Second Try LLC that they definitely had one but it objectively still harder to fire someone JUST for cheating. As miles said himself, "Are people under the impression that Bill Clinton got in trouble just for having an affair"?
Honestly, I’ve seen people try so hard to say “cheating isn’t that bad actually” in response to this and it has me scratching my head. I mean yeah, that’s a red flag. I wouldn’t want to date someone who thinks it’s “not that bad” to cheat.
especially when it's your wife who you've been married to for years and have children with. A girlfriend/boyfriend cheating is one thing, but cheating when you have a family is a whole nother thing.
You're 100% right though. I never liked the negative reactions towards "why are they kicking him???" like.. this person was a hugely important person in their lives. maybe the other female co-worker as well. And then they all just got betrayed like that. It's not just the wife who felt cheated on. Parting with a friend over them doing something very bad is traumatising to some.
Also, other employees, male or female could sue, claiming they are getting unfair/discriminatory treatment at work in opposition to Alex getting favouritism. Companies fold when they lose too many lawsuits.
This was definitely a prime example of how tone deaf SNL can be. It is confirmed that Ned has a friend who is a writer for SNL and him being involved doesn’t seem like a too far fetched idea at this point. Though it would definitely show how much Ned actually “cared” for his family if it was true.
A thing that people always use (that you mentioned) is "we have all these awful things going on in the world when were focusing on celebrity gossip" the thing about that is can someone not address multiple things at once? Yes I am into the Try Guys situation but I also am trying to make awareness to the (atrocious) situation in Iran at the same time (which if you do not know about what is happening in Iran I recommend looking it up and spreading awareness because the people in Iran cannot as their country has blocked their internet usage). I know such an awful thing is happening in many places of the world but I can also look into and add my opinions into other situations.
Frankly, the more I’m in touch with awful things that happen in the world, the more I understand the importance of things like humor, trash movies and celebrity gossip. Ned’s affair has provided me with a welcome distraction from current problems 😅
I am horrified by the way SNL treated the whole thing, and I wish I could say that I wasn't surprised, but from SNL I really did expect better (at least in their public persona). My friend and I watched it together, and she was so angry about the whole thing that she had to leave the room partway through. What mainstream media doesn't seem to understand is that this is so much more than 'silly internet drama', it's part of a much bigger narrative, and the Try Guys are the first people I've seen to handle the situation with such professionalism, and it really says a lot about who Keith, Zach, and Eugene are as people. They are an example of how a situation like this should be handled, and it is so rare for us to see that. I think a lot of people, particularly those who have been through work place harassment from people in positions of power over them, can really respect the Try Guys for how they chose to handle the situation.
I wouldn’t go so far as mainstream media seeing this as gossip, only really SNL. What is surprising people in the industry is that there were actual consequences. They aren’t used to seeing it, although they all think it’s a good thing. Change only happens if people in power follow through . The remaining Try Guys actually followed through on their principles. Who’d have thought?
The scandal has two parts, one is the wife guy cheating... The other is the business owner taking advantage of an employee in a classic workplace sexual misconduct case... Most people look at the first part and dismiss it altogether as something silly, not knowing (although some do) that the second part is there and is the biggest problem
According to Frederick Engels, marriage was created by the bourgeoisie to make sure that a man knew who his biological kids are by forcing the woman into monogamy so he can pass his estate and inheritance onto them. It's only now I realised how true it is when I can count how many times Ned has referred to Ariel by her name on my one hand vs how many times he has called her "my wife". In the one Valentine's episode, he prepares a gift for his son claiming "a gift for Wes is a gift for Ariel". This mindset of men owning women in marriage is still ongoing but due to recent times, people are starting to direct more of the hatred they would've given to a woman not being monogamous onto men because the patriarchy is starting to be realised and resented. Probably why there is more of a fuss being had over infidelity from men, they lock the woman into monogamy but don't reciprocate it.
You’re correct. Workplace relationships can be consensual. Problem arises when the power dynamic between the two are abused. Abuse can occur when the subordinate gets all the favors because well, they’re in a relationship with the boss. It can also occur when the subordinate gets all the short end of the stick at work whenever them and the boss gets into a fight. So yes, workplace relationships can be consensual. But when the two people forget that they’re coworkers and not put up a wall between their personal and professional life, it can be really messy. This is why companies have rules.
In the 2010s female teachers we’re getting fired for having normal bathing suit pictures on their Facebook accounts like… in the 80s and earlier interracial marriage was controversial 😅 we used to burn witches like morals are changing and maybe that’s a good thing
I was a teenager in the 80s and a young working person in the 90s. I'm wondering what past Moscovich is referring to. Folks were pretty moralistic in the past I lived in - but there was also a lot of sexual misconduct and abuse of power. And silencing of dissonant voices. And trivialising "minorities'" experiences, etc. Where is this magical past that Moscovich hankers after? As someone said in the chat, The Try Guys' approach to this was healing in many ways. They did the right thing for many different reasons. It would have meant the world to me if someone did what the Try Guys did back in the 80s or 90s.
This is the first video I’ve ever watched from your channel and I honestly only clicked on it bc the try guys drama has been my form of escapism recently but you have earned yourself another subscriber. I really appreciated the deep dive into the bland, one-size-fits-all statements made on Twitter and the conflicting nature of pop culture media being both extremely influential yet unimportant at the same time.
For me, it’s the boss/subordinate thing & it’s weird hearing people downplay it like it’s not a valid reason to drag somebody. As far as the cheating goes, I’m not monogamous & neither is my spouse so I really don’t have an opinion on that & I’m just gonna stay in my lane lol.
My major irritation in regards to the cheating is how he used his wife and family as a primary identity and the hypocrisy that comes from his choices more so than the actual cheating.
Well, cheating is about crossing boundaries and betraying trust. It's very transferable in non-sexual context. Your partner talking shit about you behind your back would have a very similar affect.
There's nothing inherently wrong with dating an employee. I don't think people are downplaying it but rather it's a response to other people dramatising it by treating it as automatically nonconsensual or cohersive and unhealthy
While I don’t know the exact arrangement of your partnership, I’m sure it is built on a framework of trust and boundaries, the violation of which constitutes cheating. If you change your definition of cheating from “finding other partners” to “violating the arrangement of your partnership in any form”, I think you can agree that cheating is not okay in any circumstance.
The fact that Ned most definitely contacted his friend at SNL and that they let that skit air instead of making fun of Ned. They made fun of people and a company who has responded more appropriately than most any other companies. They did the best response possible. I can't remember who he was friends with, but people said that person was in the credits of the episode.
By all means the remaining try guys went above and beyond what was expected of them. In fact many outsiders would have expected them to protect their friend and sweep things under the rug. Yet they not only fired their friend but they basically decided that from the moment they confirmed the events decided that he would no longer have a place in the platform. Investing who knows how much money into re editing and scraping videos completely And if I had to choose a scandal to have an iron grip on the internet I would honestly choose the one where a company has the correct reaction to a workplace violation for once.
I feel like while traditional, conservative values have always espoused the importance of fidelity, it’s never actually been practiced. Haven’t men in history always had extramarital affairs, mistresses, multiple wives, whatever? But now men are actually being similarly held to the idea of fidelity and loyalty as women have always been forced to uphold (along with also having to do radical things like not harass a woman at work 🙄) and I wonder if maybe some aren’t taking it well 🤔
you really helped put into words the way I was feeling about seeing all the discord surrounding the try guys “drama” so thanks for the great video! I really appreciated your point about building empathy+community as a solution to individual posturing of morality. I’ve definitely fallen into the trap of wanting to be “the better person” and obsessive over my own moral righteousness that it skewed my vision of the overall picture. oh, also great hair btw! I’d argue corpse ash is a timeless look ✨💀✨
I so appreciate your nuanced take on this phenomenon. It's balanced and fair and clearly not going for clickbait takes, and unlike so many other of the reactions out there you actually have something new and interesting and relevant to say. Good for you.
one good thing that comes out of horrible internet drama is how a popular topic can let the algorithm introduce me to new and engaging commentary channels.
I love how you shape conversations around social commentary stuff like this im so happy to see you get more attention elliot i hope you continue to pop off !!! This is a good ass video
Your last video on this topic was very good, so I'm excited to see this! Some people I used to follow did not have the best takes on this, which I found disappointing. But I found myself agreeing with what you said in your last video, so I'm excited to see your take on this!
One of my biggest gripes with the sketch is that not only did they make light of something serious, but that they forgot that real people were involved in it. I can't even imagine being Ariel or Ned's very young kids seeing this sketch making light of something that could have damaged their family in a way that it might not recover. I know I can't speculate on their personal lives, but this could've been debilitating to them and if they watch SNL it could've made them feel even worse about it. I just can't imagine a betrayal of trust not only get this much attention, but also be downplayed and mocked on tv
A couple of things is first, I just think the sketch is really disrespectful to both the families, the employees and friends involved in this "story", this is not something to take lightly and yet they make it a joke. Second, if someone want's to get upset and say that they're allowed to make jokes then yes, they can, however, they could have made the joke about the husband whose whole personality was about loving his wife and how ironic that is, THE JOKE IS RIGHT THERE, instead they decide to joke about how the faces of the company decided to take action and address the issues that have been caused by the mans actions in a respectful and professional way, and saying they they don't understand why people care and that it's not a big deal. Added with the fact that N*d allegedly has friends in SNL, (as stated in a podcast, not sure if they still work there) so they could have very easily just took his side, which makes since since N*d was almost nowhere made fun of or even referenced in the skit...
omg I always make that same joke about the algorithm like is anyone else smitten w the algorithm? like it really be like ‘I saw this & thought of you’ & it really be so me so stuff I wanna see like I love the explore page I never look at my actual friends stuff. It brought me to you so yay for you! it seems like a milestone the way you talk about it & I’m happy to be apart of it & getting here early in relation to the trajectory you are def on
Wow I learned sm from this video. Like not even about the try guys, you changed my way of viewing social media and calmed anxieties I didn't know I had
Philos-officers IS THE BEST WORD I can imagine for people policing other's morality, mentality & Social consciousness. YOU NEED to coin this phrase because it is PERFECT.
i think ppl are missing the context w ned/the try guys. it wasn’t a guy losing his career for cheating. it was a guy who was the face of a company who literally made his/his company’s brand out of his personal life in a very direct way, souring that brand for the rest of his coworkers and friends, bringing into question the safety and professionalism of their business. he endangered their livelihood and their avenue of creative output i’m personally in the camp that if someone cheats, that sucks but that’s between them and their partner. but in ned’s case he did it in a way that brought his whole company into it so it makes sense that the company reacted
This is absolutely random, and this video is amazing and you helped provide SO MUCH justice for our tri-guys btw, but........ what font did you use in this video? That is the same font that they use in the Outer Worlds game and I'm obsessed. You get a follower just for that lol
I disagree with you that this topic isn't as important as things like economic inequality and climate change. This issue is a microcosm of massive issues women face in society. It's actually a perfect example of what can happen to women when they choose career, or when they choose family, and how men tend to profit off women and gain the upper hand no matter what women do. And women will suffer when the man suffers as well since their fortune is tied to a man taking advantage of them. It comes from a place of privilege to say women's issues are not as important as other issues, because to men, women's issues are a minor side issue, whereas to women, they are major issues that will effect the trajectory of your life.
I've watched a few of your videos now and I just wanna say you are so smart, likable, compassionate, and one-point. Young people like you make me so optimistic for the future. (Sry I don't actually know your age but I'm just assuming you're younger than me lol)
Are they making fun of the situation or a company publicly making the right choice for once in keeping their supporters in the loop? Its wild to say that people are overreacting to the situation, at this point I feel like it's such a big deal because 1. It's kinda mind boggling when a my wife guy gets discovered as a cheater and 2. It's not everyday when something like this comes out and instead of covering up the situation, acting like it didnt happen, giving a lame excuse/apology, the people involved openly tell us what's been going on as well as how they feel about the situation. People are so used to receiving lame ass apologies on this platform and being lied to, that when creators are transparent with us its applauded because of how rare it is. But also the huge cultural shift we've experienced has made things like work place affairs seen as unacceptable, it's not surprising tho that SNL would think it's not a bad thing tho considering their past.
the amount of "cheating isn't that bad" takes i've seen since this all came out has made me frustrated lol like i would fire ned if he cheated even on a rando cause his only thing was loving his wife he has nothing else he brioke his own brand, and why would they want to stay his friend and work with him even if he had cheated with a rando, eugene was friends with ariel before ned married her, so i am not shocked especially becky being ariels best friend too, that the guys would side with ariel over ned. Ned betrayed his wife and kids, his supposed to be good friends and people he worked with, and his audience, ned put out this persona and until it's been confirmed or shown, there is no proof the persona is fake out of context. He screwed people over but should they have just kept him even if he cheated on a rando? idk about all that.
Where did you hear that Eugene and Ariel were friends before she married N*d? Didn't N*d introduced Ariel to the guys while he at BF. Ned and Ariel were already married before they moved to California and N*d started working at BF.
Conservatives be like “oh no everyone is judging you! Better be careful. But oh let us judge you the harshest and in way that’s can kill you!” They want the power and control to judge people for not being like them, they don’t actually care about anyone being more judge mental. Seriously though this was a great video and discussion!
I think there are a lot of things that we can say about loneliness, and how it could possibly affect our behaviour around other people. I thought the conversation would've been interesting and productive. Instead of whatever that thread was, lol. Just another Tuesday on Twitter, I guess.
The whole situation is very clear - morally it would have sucked if he had cheated with a random girl they would have been hurt but it wouldn't have been grounds to fire him The fact he abused his power is the whole reason it was dealt with so harshly. Also it raises questions on why she was promoted to executive producer - her skills at work or favour of her boss, leaving the company open to lawsuits from employees who may feel they were passed over for the promotion.
i think clinging to the adherence of ethical behavior in familial and workplace structures is one of the only ways gen z holds on to a semblance of their empathy. we were brought up exposed to brain altering violence and then blamed for the ramifications it had on our developing psyches, and it has pushed us into this weird place where performative empathy is where most people end up. but all of us are still able to feel something when threatened at home and in the workplace, and the situation with the try guys involves both. i wouldn’t say we’re more moralistic, more so that we are more protective of what little we actually get to experience, and by proxy feel when it is threatened. it goes beyond this though, wife guys in general are an entirely separate problem i have with this
Good to see NBC isn't letting one little consensual kiss ruin their relationship with David Letterman like these millennial narcissists. Who would choose a safe working environment over their bro, amirite?
I will be real with you, i stopped at about 20 minutes in because I have no idea what you're talking about or is the subject try guys at all. I will give it another go in the morning
You say allistic a lot. Allistic just means not autistic, doesn't it? Wtf do you mean by aliistic. Hollistic? Am I just mishearing you? What are you trying to say when you say that like for ex around 27:17
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your point about empathy and building connections to others through that is very important to embody throughout our daily lives. initially at the start of everything regarding this situation, because it is so removed from my own material reality, i was confused why everyone cared and why they felt so hurt about a public figure's relationship that i chalked it up to parasocialin' and neglected to mindfully interrogate why people were reacting this way and developing compassion/gaining understanding of the situation entirely. just because we're removed from a situation that many people care about doesn't mean that it's not important or that it's not something that should be taken seriously. god this is such a good fucking video
pinning this not (only) to fuel my ego but also because i really wanna emphasize the points you took from this. operating from a place of empathy and positive social interaction should always be the goal
@@elliotsangestevez yes! building bridges and breaking through opposition to create harmony and such
I respect that you looked past your initial "it's just parasocial relationships" view. It can be hard to change your opinion/belief sometimes
@@naritruwireve1381 i very much value growth and being able to see the errors of my ways so it can actually be pretty easy-- the hardest part is just the mild guilt i feel when i realize i may have been wrong/misguided about something. thank you 😊
As an older millennial who experienced a lot of workplace harassment by male bosses, I am really happy the world is more “sensitive” about this stuff. The guys who did that weren’t fired and I was made fun of for reporting it. It’s been cathartic to see the cultural shift around this tbh. That’s why I’ve been so fascinated- it’s weirdly healing in a way.
From a 30year old woman, thank you for sharing your experiences, insights, and perceptions. Firstly, I’m so sorry that you have such experiences to share at all. I can only imagine that it must be a painful weight to carry.
In case nobody has ever told you: It wasn’t your fault. You did nothing to cause it. You should never had had to carry the burden of trying to remedy and stop it. It was as wrong as you remember & feel. Whatever you’re feeling, it’s perfectly natural to be feeling that way. I believe you. I believe that you never deserved it, and never caused it. I believe that you were hurt, and that it was a traumatic experience. I believe that you were failed by your employers and colleagues. I believe that you deserved better. And I’m sorry.
Men, as a class, will never understand what it’s like to experience sexual harassment, to fear it, to consciously try and avoid it.
Men as a class really believe that it’s complimentary at best, awkward, and a bit creepy or uncomfortable at worse.
I can definitely appreciate how seeing the Try Guys address things like they did is healing for you. It reminds me of inner child work- going back in time mentally/emotionally to address unmet needs of your inner child from the perspective of an adult, & reparenting & protecting that child to heal current day issues & patterns.
I don’t know if you watch Boze vs the world, if you like true crime I think you’ll love her. She reminds me of this guy, & has invaluable insights- whilst also being wicked funny.
Boze was giving commentary on the try guys video and said “I don’t know about you guys but- I feel _taken care of_ “.
That really summed it up best, & Mayim sounds like that has really been you experience too, like they’ve gone back in time to support you.
I’m wishing you every happiness, love, peace, and comfort on your continued journey of healing and blooming.
True, even though people are still fighting on the internet about it, I'm glad that the culture is shifting. I'm 31 and I remember in college I was made to feel really uncomfortable by an incel-y guy in my dorm. But when I told my RAs about it, they were so dismissive of me. They thought that I was overreacting and that this guy isn't that bad. I ended up socially isolating myself to avoid this guy, such as my not sitting at my dorm's table in the dining hall. Even though I moved out to an apartment the next year (out of desperation to get the hell out of there) I spiraled into anxiety and depression for the next several years. This kind of crap was happening not too long ago, it was like a completely different world.
I'm on that line between millennial and Gen Z (Currently 27), but I can still relate. I've had such traumatic experiences at work due to workplace harassment, and a lot of pressure was put on me not to formally report it in one case as the guy had a wife and kids, in the second I couldn't report it because the guy harassing me was the only access I had to the HR forms.
I also had situations like it at University. In my 2nd and 3rd year, I was in a flat of all men, where I was the only girl (random assignment, not my choice). Most of them were really nice and I didn't feel at all threatened, but when one guy started to behave in a really creepy way towards me, the other guys thought I was overreacting and that I should be more understanding as he had a lot of issues, they really didn't attempt to understand at all how frightened I was, even though the guy never did anything really extreme. However, because of the attitude of my flatmates, I never reported it as they made me feel like it was all in my head.
He didn't harass her they were in a relationship outside of his marriage that's why it's called an affair. The fact that she walked away from that unscathed is absolutely disgusting. She was as much a part of the Affair as him. Come on women start taking responsibility and hold yourself accountable
@@jaynehogue2459 She’s not the one who made a commitment to be faithful. She was also not the boss, she was the subordinate. Of the two of them, she wasn’t the one making the worst transgressions. People always blame the woman in an affair when it’s the man who needed to keep it in his pants. Honestly I’m glad he’s getting the brunt of the anger in this situation.
I also don't like how they mentioned Beyonce getting cheated on. Like that's a bigger deal than Ariel being cheated on, it hurts equally regardless of their social status
I agree with you
Yeah it's so dismissive about the hurt that anyone would experience from getting cheated on. I don't care about Beyonce as a public figure/musician (sorry), but she's a person too.
Also ignoring that Jay-Z cheating on Beyonce wasn't, in fact, a small insignificant thing. Solange whooped that man's ass for it.
Thank you, something about that didn't sit right with me and this made me figure it out.
Ya it's very, "if this high value woman can get cheated on them clearly men are just like that, oh well, that's life 🤷🏽"
I’m honestly not surprised that SNL did a nasty job with that skit. SNL has a history of sexual harassment and abuse behind the scenes and one of Ned’s friends (who works as a writer for the show) was credited as one of the writers for that skit. 😬
Yeah, and SNL also has a history of being out of touch and not funny
They weren’t just coworkers, they were longterm friends and business partners. They attended each other’s weddings, ironically.
If you're referring to Alex and Ned, this is not true. Ned and Ariel got married before they moved out to LA and he started working for Buzzfeed. Alex met the Try Guys and started working with them before they left Buzzfeed and she was engaged when the story broke, but her fiance seems to have broken the engagement.
They didn't attend each other's weddings because one of the weddings hadn't happened yet (and probably never will now) and one of the weddings happened before they even met.
@@cruztastrophe they're talking about the guys.
@@sophie1060 I guess the same thing applies than. Ned got married before he met them. Zach and Eugene aren't married (yet). Keith had them as best men at his wedding though. So 1 out of 4.
@@cruztastrophe Eugene has been with his partner since 2012, though.
32 year old male parent of two daughters here.
I discovered the Try Guys just about maybe 4 months ago and have been a huge fan ever since. I binged all their content and it was so beautiful to have found a channel with such an immense amount of displayed support for each other, wholesomeness and non-toxic masculinity.
As strange as it might be for many people, I have loved the shows for the representation of myself. I'm only a bit younger than Ned, I am absolutely crazy about my wife and kids and I try to be the best husband and parent I can be every single day. So it was very cool to have someone who resembles me in a way, even though it was sometimes clearly too much to not be an act.
I'm not as active on social media as many others and I only heard about the situation when they released the RUclips statement.
I was devastated. Absolutely flabbergasted. I mean... of course it was obvious that some of the stuff was only for the show but overall I had hoped for Ned to be a good husband and father. And while the fact that he cheated not necessarily means he is a horrible dad to his children it still means he betrayed his family in a way that is pretty much a superlative.
The question that keeps me coming back to this is:
Was that worth it? Was sleeping with someone else really worth losing just about everything in your life?
And while I am not a big fan of Alex knowingly betraying Ariel I am not going to shit on her. I haven't heard her side yet.
The one thing that I will say is:
People. Really. Being faithful is not hard. It is a simple decision each and every time a situation arises in which the opportunity would be given. It is as simple as just saying "No". And I'm speaking from experience. I got together with my wife when I was 18. I proposed with 19. We married when I was 24 (didn't have enough money for a wedding before that), our first daughter was born when I was 28 and we were blessed with our second daughter just this year. Over these years my wife and I have spent 4 years in a long distance relationship due to me going to a university. I am not the best with women but I would have had more than just a few opportunities to cheat on my wife and she'd have never found out.
But guess what - it was a simple "No." each and every time. It's not hard. We can't run around pretending to be the pride of creation and above our wild instincts if we give in to such stupid urges as easily. Seriously... I am truly at awe how many people make faithfulness out to be such a difficult thing when it really is as easy.
Just don't cheat.
Sorry, since when has it become okay for people to defend cheating on spouses?
I mean... I don't want to seem like cheaters are the worst people in the world but what their actions can cause is not a small deal - there's always someone being cheated on.
How can anyone think it's okay to downplay that... ?
Good video, interesting to hear your thoughts.
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Be the guy who's crazy about his wife and genuine about it. Wishing you a long and happy, faithful marriage 💗💗💗
This is such a great comment! So well said, it seems like your daughters have a great dad :)
You seem like an amazing husband and father, I definitely want to work hard to be the best husband and father( if I have kids), and ur post has really helped me figure out what future I want to work to have
happiness level. 1000
It was so weird to watch that SNL skit. Like, how un self aware are they? When the woman said Jay Z cheating on Beyoncé was no big deal. Like, how could a normal person say that? When was cheating not a big deal? Also, the skit never mentioned that Ned was having an affair with his employee. A person he signs the paycheck for. Like, that is an important detail.
They made it sound like they were completely separate channels, either to downplay the situation or because they had no idea what they were talking about
I mean it's like when David Letterman admitted, on his show, that someone was trying to blackmail him over relationships he'd had with people who worked under him. He was applauded as being so brave! Almost everyone seemed to miss that he was admitting that he routinely dates women who work for him, which is definitely an abuse of workplace power IMO, whether those women wanted to genuinely date him or not.
Very good point.
There’s a great always sunny in Philadelphia episode that tangentially relates to this. Dennis wants to bring girls on a boat and ask to have sex with them, he says they will agree because of “the implication”. The implication being that the women would think he would rape them if they said no, since they would be alone in the middle of the ocean with no way to ask for help. As the audience we have complete knowledge of the situation and know that Dennis would not in fact do this. But the important thing is that the women in the situation do not have complete knowledge, so their decisions are based on whether or not they think he will rape them, regardless of what he would actually do.
In that same sense uneven power dynamics like the one between worker and boss can only ever exist in this place of having to “trust” the member with more power will not abuse that power. Which is not a place I’d like to be. I can hope that my boss wouldn’t use their power to coerce me into doing something I don’t want to do, but I can never know for sure, and it will always be an option for them. At the end of the day we aren’t equals, and the relationship rests on how ethical the boss is. And considering that they aren’t ethical enough to not date a subordinate in the first place, I wouldn’t bet on them respecting me.
Thank you for this comment. I don’t watch It’s always sunny in Philedelphia but I kept hearing about this boat analogy. Thank you for explaining plus the in depth analysis.
I haven't watched Try Guys for a long time, but Ned's cheating scandal (and other celebrities that did the same) makes me feel like I need to learn as much as possible from what happened to them to avoid guys that could potentially do that to me. I mean being together 10+ years, having multiple kids with your spouse, have your spouse publicly gush about you, and then getting betrayed would be a complete nightmare for a lot of normal people, regardless if you care about these celebrities or not. Also the dismissiveness of Jay-Z's cheating on Beyonce is toxic in itself. It's not ok to cheat. It's never ok.
yes, when someone is overtly pushing the "look I'm in a relationship", goes out of their way publicly to show they are in a relationship, they are compensating.
@@CantEscapeFlorida but that does come with the question of “what counts as out of the way?” While I think almost everyone can agree that Ned making his entire brand his wife and kids was “out of his way”, there are people (me included) who don’t think Adam Levine was really a “wife guy” or went out of his way to bring up his wife. Yet he still cheated on her.
I saw a video on tiktok (the app removed it) where someone was talking about their mom's take on the whole thing.
The moon had instantly called out which of the try guys had cheated upon seeing a picture and it became a discussion on how often did he refer to his wife by name.
Instead of calling her Ariel, how often did he just refer to her as "my wife" and the possible reasons for that. (Seeing her more as something to possess than a person, not wanting to say the wrong name, and other possibilities. )
I'm no expert in this, but the video was interesting when it was still up.
If we forgot the word punishment, what they did is remove a potential abusive superior member of their team from an environment where he would have access to a plethora of subordinates over whom he could exert power to take advantage of them. It doesn’t even matter that he is married in this situation or if Alex “consented.”
If a boss has been known to be inappropriate to at least one person he has direct power over in a company, that is enough of a problem to fire him so he no longer has access to those potential victims.
It’s not a punishment or vengeance or whatever else. It is a safety measure for their employees. Logic prevails here regardless of emotion
Unless of course you're the boss like Bill Gates, who dipped into the company cookie jar so often and so blatantly that he married a subordinate and no one really talked about it ever...
He met Melinda while she worked under him and he cheated on her with many people who worked there too, just a reminder that you get held to zero standards the more zeroes in front of your net worth
This. Plus: If this would not have had consequences his power over the next subordinate would even be more complex, as he could say or imply that nothing will happen to him, even if they spoke up about it...
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Why do people let her slide she was as much a part of the affair as him. The fact that she's walking away from this unscathed and people are defending her is vomit-inducing
@@jaynehogue2459 This conversation is about how firing him is a safety measure and not punishment. Nothing was said about her because OP wasn’t commenting on her at all.
One of the best "takes" on the Try Guys "situation". So many folks fail to understand the actions of the Try Guys...they are owners of a multi-million dollar company with 20 plus employees. If their company went down, 20 people would be unemployed, and maybe even ruined because of the actions of one owner. The Try Guys did the right thing, saving their company, and caring for their employees.
Yes! I've seen so many people say what horrible friends they were for what they did. But fail to realize that he was the one who was a horrible friend. They only see the 4 guys and think it's just them, not their whole crew
@@alyssabrown-carleton6173 people need to watch their office tour on Architechtural Digest. To afford an office renovation that expensive, a company DEFINITELY has employees.
I shake my head as the cost of that reno is easily $1 million +. Wouldn’t be surprised if it was 2 or 3 times that much as there are always surprises when walls get opened up. It’s estimated they make $6 million a year before taxes. So it’s likely they are still paying for that reno.
There are so many responsibilities beyond “a bunch a friends making content”.
I did run this situation by my parents because they both had relevant but different experience/knowledge and have absolutely no clue who the try guys are (they barely understand what youtubers are in general but they try--we love boomers who try to engage) and after giving them the general gist of the try guys and what they do and who they are I then explained the outline of the scandal and they both stopped me when i got to "Ned slept with a subordinate" they both independently of one another agreed that that was enough for them to fire someone and cut their loses no matter what, no matter if it was consensual or not, whether either party was in another relationship or not, they both were like "no more context is needed he has to go".
The interesting part were the reasons they gave because those were what was different, my dad having been a lawyer for decades with one of the biggest global electronics/appliance companies came at exactly how'd you'd expect a corporate lawyer to look at it, "yeah i could think of hundred different ways they could get sued", and my mom, who founded and ran her own company for 30 years and is now on the board, was like "just having that work environment would be so detrimental to productivity that any losses incurred with his departure would be justified". And these are two people who absolutely do not give a fuck about these dudes one way or another it was merely their professional assessments. Food for thought for those that are still under the impression that "ned was fired for cheating".
All of this.
It would've been a very different situation if it got out that he'd cheated on Ariel with someone outside of the company. That would've been more a private, personal matter between Ned and Ariel. Still a ton of complications, just from how they both work for the company, the loss of trust with everyone, and how it would tarnish their brand. But Ned could have possibly stayed.
The truth is, in that scenario, they might not have been able to fire him anyway. I mean, unless cheating was in their contracts as a firable offense. It still would've been messy, but a hiatus, then some public amends to Ariel, the guys, the staff and the fans, might've made for a much-needed catharsis and redemption arc.
But that's not what happened. This was an HR issue first. The whole problem is that he had a workplace relationship with a subordinate. Even if they were both single, it still would've been an issue. It's the whole reason Zach spent a month working with lawyers to make sure they didn't sued a hundred different ways, like your dad said. The fact that it was cheating was a secondary consideration.
@@lunacouer Most media companies do have morality clauses in their employment contracts that if a an employee's behavior jeopardizes the companies reputation that is a fireable offense, safe to assume since buzzfeed is a silent partner in Second Try LLC that they definitely had one but it objectively still harder to fire someone JUST for cheating. As miles said himself, "Are people under the impression that Bill Clinton got in trouble just for having an affair"?
Honestly, I’ve seen people try so hard to say “cheating isn’t that bad actually” in response to this and it has me scratching my head. I mean yeah, that’s a red flag. I wouldn’t want to date someone who thinks it’s “not that bad” to cheat.
especially when it's your wife who you've been married to for years and have children with. A girlfriend/boyfriend cheating is one thing, but cheating when you have a family is a whole nother thing.
yeah i really don't understand people downplaying it. they even have kids. i've been the child whose dad cheated on their mom and that shit hurts
“Ask Britney Spears if Society was more moralistic in 2008” FUCKINGALSJS
@Halloween All Year Round facts :(
You're 100% right though. I never liked the negative reactions towards "why are they kicking him???" like.. this person was a hugely important person in their lives. maybe the other female co-worker as well. And then they all just got betrayed like that. It's not just the wife who felt cheated on. Parting with a friend over them doing something very bad is traumatising to some.
Also, other employees, male or female could sue, claiming they are getting unfair/discriminatory treatment at work in opposition to Alex getting favouritism. Companies fold when they lose too many lawsuits.
This was definitely a prime example of how tone deaf SNL can be. It is confirmed that Ned has a friend who is a writer for SNL and him being involved doesn’t seem like a too far fetched idea at this point. Though it would definitely show how much Ned actually “cared” for his family if it was true.
A thing that people always use (that you mentioned) is "we have all these awful things going on in the world when were focusing on celebrity gossip" the thing about that is can someone not address multiple things at once? Yes I am into the Try Guys situation but I also am trying to make awareness to the (atrocious) situation in Iran at the same time (which if you do not know about what is happening in Iran I recommend looking it up and spreading awareness because the people in Iran cannot as their country has blocked their internet usage). I know such an awful thing is happening in many places of the world but I can also look into and add my opinions into other situations.
Frankly, the more I’m in touch with awful things that happen in the world, the more I understand the importance of things like humor, trash movies and celebrity gossip. Ned’s affair has provided me with a welcome distraction from current problems 😅
Also... like SNL is not a platform for discussing important things. It too exists for entertainment. It was such a hypocritical take lmao
I am horrified by the way SNL treated the whole thing, and I wish I could say that I wasn't surprised, but from SNL I really did expect better (at least in their public persona).
My friend and I watched it together, and she was so angry about the whole thing that she had to leave the room partway through.
What mainstream media doesn't seem to understand is that this is so much more than 'silly internet drama', it's part of a much bigger narrative, and the Try Guys are the first people I've seen to handle the situation with such professionalism, and it really says a lot about who Keith, Zach, and Eugene are as people. They are an example of how a situation like this should be handled, and it is so rare for us to see that.
I think a lot of people, particularly those who have been through work place harassment from people in positions of power over them, can really respect the Try Guys for how they chose to handle the situation.
I wouldn’t go so far as mainstream media seeing this as gossip, only really SNL. What is surprising people in the industry is that there were actual consequences. They aren’t used to seeing it, although they all think it’s a good thing. Change only happens if people in power follow through . The remaining Try Guys actually followed through on their principles. Who’d have thought?
The scandal has two parts, one is the wife guy cheating... The other is the business owner taking advantage of an employee in a classic workplace sexual misconduct case... Most people look at the first part and dismiss it altogether as something silly, not knowing (although some do) that the second part is there and is the biggest problem
According to Frederick Engels, marriage was created by the bourgeoisie to make sure that a man knew who his biological kids are by forcing the woman into monogamy so he can pass his estate and inheritance onto them. It's only now I realised how true it is when I can count how many times Ned has referred to Ariel by her name on my one hand vs how many times he has called her "my wife". In the one Valentine's episode, he prepares a gift for his son claiming "a gift for Wes is a gift for Ariel". This mindset of men owning women in marriage is still ongoing but due to recent times, people are starting to direct more of the hatred they would've given to a woman not being monogamous onto men because the patriarchy is starting to be realised and resented. Probably why there is more of a fuss being had over infidelity from men, they lock the woman into monogamy but don't reciprocate it.
I predict in 2023 that the algorithm will in fact take Elliot on a date, and he will pay for it too
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You’re correct. Workplace relationships can be consensual. Problem arises when the power dynamic between the two are abused. Abuse can occur when the subordinate gets all the favors because well, they’re in a relationship with the boss. It can also occur when the subordinate gets all the short end of the stick at work whenever them and the boss gets into a fight. So yes, workplace relationships can be consensual. But when the two people forget that they’re coworkers and not put up a wall between their personal and professional life, it can be really messy. This is why companies have rules.
In the 2010s female teachers we’re getting fired for having normal bathing suit pictures on their Facebook accounts like… in the 80s and earlier interracial marriage was controversial 😅 we used to burn witches like morals are changing and maybe that’s a good thing
I was a teenager in the 80s and a young working person in the 90s. I'm wondering what past Moscovich is referring to. Folks were pretty moralistic in the past I lived in - but there was also a lot of sexual misconduct and abuse of power. And silencing of dissonant voices. And trivialising "minorities'" experiences, etc. Where is this magical past that Moscovich hankers after? As someone said in the chat, The Try Guys' approach to this was healing in many ways. They did the right thing for many different reasons. It would have meant the world to me if someone did what the Try Guys did back in the 80s or 90s.
This is the first video I’ve ever watched from your channel and I honestly only clicked on it bc the try guys drama has been my form of escapism recently but you have earned yourself another subscriber.
I really appreciated the deep dive into the bland, one-size-fits-all statements made on Twitter and the conflicting nature of pop culture media being both extremely influential yet unimportant at the same time.
For me, it’s the boss/subordinate thing & it’s weird hearing people downplay it like it’s not a valid reason to drag somebody. As far as the cheating goes, I’m not monogamous & neither is my spouse so I really don’t have an opinion on that & I’m just gonna stay in my lane lol.
My major irritation in regards to the cheating is how he used his wife and family as a primary identity and the hypocrisy that comes from his choices more so than the actual cheating.
Well, cheating is about crossing boundaries and betraying trust. It's very transferable in non-sexual context. Your partner talking shit about you behind your back would have a very similar affect.
There's nothing inherently wrong with dating an employee. I don't think people are downplaying it but rather it's a response to other people dramatising it by treating it as automatically nonconsensual or cohersive and unhealthy
While I don’t know the exact arrangement of your partnership, I’m sure it is built on a framework of trust and boundaries, the violation of which constitutes cheating. If you change your definition of cheating from “finding other partners” to “violating the arrangement of your partnership in any form”, I think you can agree that cheating is not okay in any circumstance.
The fact that Ned most definitely contacted his friend at SNL and that they let that skit air instead of making fun of Ned. They made fun of people and a company who has responded more appropriately than most any other companies. They did the best response possible.
I can't remember who he was friends with, but people said that person was in the credits of the episode.
By all means the remaining try guys went above and beyond what was expected of them. In fact many outsiders would have expected them to protect their friend and sweep things under the rug.
Yet they not only fired their friend but they basically decided that from the moment they confirmed the events decided that he would no longer have a place in the platform. Investing who knows how much money into re editing and scraping videos completely
And if I had to choose a scandal to have an iron grip on the internet I would honestly choose the one where a company has the correct reaction to a workplace violation for once.
I feel like while traditional, conservative values have always espoused the importance of fidelity, it’s never actually been practiced. Haven’t men in history always had extramarital affairs, mistresses, multiple wives, whatever? But now men are actually being similarly held to the idea of fidelity and loyalty as women have always been forced to uphold (along with also having to do radical things like not harass a woman at work 🙄) and I wonder if maybe some aren’t taking it well 🤔
you really helped put into words the way I was feeling about seeing all the discord surrounding the try guys “drama” so thanks for the great video! I really appreciated your point about building empathy+community as a solution to individual posturing of morality. I’ve definitely fallen into the trap of wanting to be “the better person” and obsessive over my own moral righteousness that it skewed my vision of the overall picture.
oh, also great hair btw! I’d argue corpse ash is a timeless look ✨💀✨
I so appreciate your nuanced take on this phenomenon. It's balanced and fair and clearly not going for clickbait takes, and unlike so many other of the reactions out there you actually have something new and interesting and relevant to say. Good for you.
one good thing that comes out of horrible internet drama is how a popular topic can let the algorithm introduce me to new and engaging commentary channels.
I love how you shape conversations around social commentary stuff like this im so happy to see you get more attention elliot i hope you continue to pop off !!! This is a good ass video
thank u grae!!! hmu once in a while buddy! lets catch up
Your last video on this topic was very good, so I'm excited to see this! Some people I used to follow did not have the best takes on this, which I found disappointing. But I found myself agreeing with what you said in your last video, so I'm excited to see your take on this!
Women used to be burned at the stake for the assumption of being a witch but S O C I E T Y is becoming more moralistic? lol
One of my biggest gripes with the sketch is that not only did they make light of something serious, but that they forgot that real people were involved in it. I can't even imagine being Ariel or Ned's very young kids seeing this sketch making light of something that could have damaged their family in a way that it might not recover. I know I can't speculate on their personal lives, but this could've been debilitating to them and if they watch SNL it could've made them feel even worse about it. I just can't imagine a betrayal of trust not only get this much attention, but also be downplayed and mocked on tv
A couple of things is first, I just think the sketch is really disrespectful to both the families, the employees and friends involved in this "story", this is not something to take lightly and yet they make it a joke. Second, if someone want's to get upset and say that they're allowed to make jokes then yes, they can, however, they could have made the joke about the husband whose whole personality was about loving his wife and how ironic that is, THE JOKE IS RIGHT THERE, instead they decide to joke about how the faces of the company decided to take action and address the issues that have been caused by the mans actions in a respectful and professional way, and saying they they don't understand why people care and that it's not a big deal.
Added with the fact that N*d allegedly has friends in SNL, (as stated in a podcast, not sure if they still work there) so they could have very easily just took his side, which makes since since N*d was almost nowhere made fun of or even referenced in the skit...
I think it's been confirmed that the guy was credited as a writer for the sketch
omg I always make that same joke about the algorithm like is anyone else smitten w the algorithm? like it really be like ‘I saw this & thought of you’ & it really be so me so stuff I wanna see like I love the explore page I never look at my actual friends stuff. It brought me to you so yay for you! it seems like a milestone the way you talk about it & I’m happy to be apart of it & getting here early in relation to the trajectory you are def on
28:23 unexpected, hilarious, and a much needed break from seriousness - and for that, I applaud you 😂
i dont need to colour my hair grey as im already getting grey from old age since the age of 15 lol (im 29 now and i look like an old lady )
grey hair is beautiful dw abt it
Wow I learned sm from this video. Like not even about the try guys, you changed my way of viewing social media and calmed anxieties I didn't know I had
this is so great to hear!
Fantastic work as always! I also checked out your music and I’m blown away. Keep it coming!
Philos-officers IS THE BEST WORD I can imagine for people policing other's morality, mentality & Social consciousness. YOU NEED to coin this phrase because it is PERFECT.
i think ppl are missing the context w ned/the try guys. it wasn’t a guy losing his career for cheating. it was a guy who was the face of a company who literally made his/his company’s brand out of his personal life in a very direct way, souring that brand for the rest of his coworkers and friends, bringing into question the safety and professionalism of their business. he endangered their livelihood and their avenue of creative output
i’m personally in the camp that if someone cheats, that sucks but that’s between them and their partner. but in ned’s case he did it in a way that brought his whole company into it so it makes sense that the company reacted
It's heartbreaking people are still taking this situation as a joke or a non issue
I'm shook. I actually have the feeling I am listening to a smart human being! You deserve many more followers, keep up the good work please! :D
This is absolutely random, and this video is amazing and you helped provide SO MUCH justice for our tri-guys btw, but........ what font did you use in this video? That is the same font that they use in the Outer Worlds game and I'm obsessed. You get a follower just for that lol
hi! the font is called "Tw Cen MT Std"
@@Danae_O oh! Awesome thank you 💖
I disagree with you that this topic isn't as important as things like economic inequality and climate change. This issue is a microcosm of massive issues women face in society. It's actually a perfect example of what can happen to women when they choose career, or when they choose family, and how men tend to profit off women and gain the upper hand no matter what women do. And women will suffer when the man suffers as well since their fortune is tied to a man taking advantage of them. It comes from a place of privilege to say women's issues are not as important as other issues, because to men, women's issues are a minor side issue, whereas to women, they are major issues that will effect the trajectory of your life.
I've watched a few of your videos now and I just wanna say you are so smart, likable, compassionate, and one-point. Young people like you make me so optimistic for the future. (Sry I don't actually know your age but I'm just assuming you're younger than me lol)
im almost 26!
@@elliotsangestevez lol OK young man, I was correct. Although that's still much older than I would have guessed.
Wtf this is so interesting. How do you not have a million subscribers?!? This is my new favorite channel thank you Mr. Algorithm
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I really enjoy the way you explain your points! Also you saying "So true bestie" about your professor literally made me laugh out loud 😂
Are they making fun of the situation or a company publicly making the right choice for once in keeping their supporters in the loop? Its wild to say that people are overreacting to the situation, at this point I feel like it's such a big deal because 1. It's kinda mind boggling when a my wife guy gets discovered as a cheater and 2. It's not everyday when something like this comes out and instead of covering up the situation, acting like it didnt happen, giving a lame excuse/apology, the people involved openly tell us what's been going on as well as how they feel about the situation. People are so used to receiving lame ass apologies on this platform and being lied to, that when creators are transparent with us its applauded because of how rare it is. But also the huge cultural shift we've experienced has made things like work place affairs seen as unacceptable, it's not surprising tho that SNL would think it's not a bad thing tho considering their past.
Did that person excuse spousal abuse i-
To me, cheating shows such a lack of character and morals. I can't see past shit like that unless the situation is more complex.
the amount of "cheating isn't that bad" takes i've seen since this all came out has made me frustrated lol
like i would fire ned if he cheated even on a rando cause his only thing was loving his wife he has nothing else he brioke his own brand,
and why would they want to stay his friend and work with him even if he had cheated with a rando,
eugene was friends with ariel before ned married her,
so i am not shocked especially becky being ariels best friend too,
that the guys would side with ariel over ned.
Ned betrayed his wife and kids,
his supposed to be good friends and people he worked with,
and his audience, ned put out this persona and until it's been confirmed or shown,
there is no proof the persona is fake out of context.
He screwed people over
but should they have just kept him even if he cheated on a rando? idk about all that.
Where did you hear that Eugene and Ariel were friends before she married N*d? Didn't N*d introduced Ariel to the guys while he at BF. Ned and Ariel were already married before they moved to California and N*d started working at BF.
This is the most relevant SNL has been in YEARS.
Really well spoken, great points. Subscribed and can’t wait to see more from you. 💖
Hope the algorithm keeps noticing you! Love your videos & commentary n.n
“I feel less like Ash and more like Professor Oak” I laughed out loud
Conservatives be like “oh no everyone is judging you! Better be careful. But oh let us judge you the harshest and in way that’s can kill you!” They want the power and control to judge people for not being like them, they don’t actually care about anyone being more judge mental.
Seriously though this was a great video and discussion!
HE HAS A HAIRCUT
Moskowitz should watch a few try guys videos.
I think there are a lot of things that we can say about loneliness, and how it could possibly affect our behaviour around other people. I thought the conversation would've been interesting and productive. Instead of whatever that thread was, lol. Just another Tuesday on Twitter, I guess.
The whole situation is very clear - morally it would have sucked if he had cheated with a random girl they would have been hurt but it wouldn't have been grounds to fire him
The fact he abused his power is the whole reason it was dealt with so harshly.
Also it raises questions on why she was promoted to executive producer - her skills at work or favour of her boss, leaving the company open to lawsuits from employees who may feel they were passed over for the promotion.
LMAOOOOO that sonic edit at the end tho 😂
"Cheating on your wife is bad"
Moskovitz: "source?"
i think clinging to the adherence of ethical behavior in familial and workplace structures is one of the only ways gen z holds on to a semblance of their empathy. we were brought up exposed to brain altering violence and then blamed for the ramifications it had on our developing psyches, and it has pushed us into this weird place where performative empathy is where most people end up. but all of us are still able to feel something when threatened at home and in the workplace, and the situation with the try guys involves both. i wouldn’t say we’re more moralistic, more so that we are more protective of what little we actually get to experience, and by proxy feel when it is threatened. it goes beyond this though, wife guys in general are an entirely separate problem i have with this
Wow I agree with you, good point
I’m so glad the algorithm blessed me with you, I’m here to stay. Thank you.😊
Thank you for this interesting discussion! You raised some really interesting points :)
I don’t know about the algorithm, you and I can definitely give it a shot 👀
i'm taken, sorry! but i'm flattered
Haha awwww 💖
Bingo, you nailed it on the head!!👍
sir you are handsome .
You should do a video on Vaush. I’d love to know your take.
Love the colour tho 😌 might ask my partner to get that colour 😂
Coming next: sponsorship for ellie.
Good to see NBC isn't letting one little consensual kiss ruin their relationship with David Letterman like these millennial narcissists. Who would choose a safe working environment over their bro, amirite?
Great video Elliot
Thanks for such a thoughtful video.
All hail the Algorithm
The end was so unexpected and hilarious
I will never forgive Bowen Yang for that skit.
hair is too yellow needed more bleaching/toning before colouring
oh well
@@elliotsangestevez just letting u know u said u didn’t know what happened
great videos, keep up the great work
Another hit video, elli!!
great points, awful outro. thx for the video lol
i don't know jack septic eye make this kind of video..
28:24 🤯
Algorithm Comment! Love this channel
The only things the sketch did right was costume and set design. Everything else was trash
wish I could sub twice.
*logs into alt account*
done.
thank you!!!!
awesome video as always!!
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You look like gabriel agreste
I will be real with you, i stopped at about 20 minutes in because I have no idea what you're talking about or is the subject try guys at all. I will give it another go in the morning
subscribed.
Aloha from Hawaii you are fantastic
I do have to agree about the sports though it is bread and circus as a leftist you have to acknowledge that
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You say allistic a lot. Allistic just means not autistic, doesn't it? Wtf do you mean by aliistic. Hollistic? Am I just mishearing you? What are you trying to say when you say that like for ex around 27:17
i dont seem to say anything close to that word at that timestamp, maybe you meant a different time?
@@elliotsangestevez Yeah, too lazy to go back and find it. You said something along the lines of "Society is more "allistic"""
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