How to make Triton Vice lore interesting: Have one guardian going in depth with lore about the development of hive physiology and culture, and the moment that the Final Shape is mentioned, have the other guardian ask if the Final Shape is a crab.
I'm sure someone pointed it out by now, but the whole "Everything becomes more crab-like" is an actual real world concept called "Carcinization" and it's actually really interesting from an evolutionary point of view, and I imagine when you involve The Traveller and its terraforming, that convo becomes much more interesting.
I was about to comment on this .. When I heard his summary, I was like "Wait... that sounds like Carcinization and IS an interesting topic!" .. If anyone doesn't know about it, Kyle Hill did a good video on the subject. Search: 'CARCINIZATION: WHY EVERYTHING CRABS' to find it.
Personally, I feel like not all exotic armors need to have a story that has huge or much implications as to the world. Sometimes, it’s nice to slow down and see that guardians are having a conversation or seeing a golden age plant and taking care of it. Sometimes even the most beautiful moments are smaller ones and I think if any part of the lore can convey this it’s probably going to be the exotic armor pieces.
Yup. With peace and love Byf needs to touch some grass. He sounds like he exhausted every avenue for exciting lore that he’s picking at bones here. Not all lore has to ground breaking, some of us enjoy bits like the plant.
Personally i loved the lore tabs for Arbor Warden and Tritons Vice because they felt a bit more like personal stories rather than something grandiose to latch onto or somethiny thats steeped in deep lore and expansion
I doubt the Cenotaph Mask lore is describing a worm, a worm isn't a pseudo-mammal. The lore of Cenotaph Mask seems to reference one of the Qugu's sessile beasts described in Inspiral.
@@Verixz-mz4zj the qugu are mentioned in the books of sorrows in passing, if i remember correstly they were a species entirely dedicated to life off of a parasitic plant which when it digested the body parts of the qugu excreted a nectar that granted the qugu visions, so essentially the qugu were are race of drug addicts and the hive seeing their reliance on the plant's nectar decided to give them the kindness of releaving them of the burden of existense
@@Verixz-mz4zj possibly Rhulk he practically let us poor through his pyramid probably knowing the possibility of his death he decided to let loose some of the creatures that were in his pyramid to discouraged and kill the curious
See I wholly disagree, because I *Love* Arbor Warden. It may not expand the story, but it expands the *themes* of Destiny that have been there from the very beginning. Recovering the remnants of an age long past while under siege by the forces of darkness. It's literally about killing an enemy to get a thing, that's what the game's been for a decade now. It's nothing revelatory, but it's a strong reminder of the foundation of things.
I think these lore tabs for the hunter and titan exotics might be a more of a setup to potential to why they exist like the hunter one could lead to those two guardians using glavies and finding out it’s purpose or we expand how the arbor warden works but I agree it could’ve been worded better in both exotics
@@raven-starcatcher exactly I imagine a follow up could be of seeing how the flower reacts to the light and dark and the titan being a titan tries a grenade near the flower to make the throwable barricade or something like that
I mean, it's nothing new. Exotic lore have always been like this, some are jokes (khepri's horn), some are serious, some are basically nothing sandwiches that talk about where the exotic was found (Monte Carlo) and some just throw names to be used later (Nezarec's sin). That's the main reason why I like reading exotic lore tbh, it's like reading an in-game social media
As someone who finds the more boring/small things in various fandoms very interesting, personally I think smaller/less interesting or important lore is fine, and honestly I'm a little curious. How big can an Eliskni get? Do they follow the rules of some fish where, so long as there is enough room and nutrients, can they get as big as something like Oryx? What sort of plants did they grow on Titan, and how did they change, or how different were they? Of course the idea of something lurking in some of the Pyramid Ships, or maybe some sort of... remnant of the captain or perhaps The Witness flows through it as a hidden defense mechanism is pretty cool too.
@@nightgirlgaming1985okay but what if an extremely large amount of ether was given to a random fallen? Would they explode or just continuously grow?
@@SavathunSussyImpostor if you continuously feed any fallen an abnormal amount of either they, as far as we know, would just keep growing. It's like obesity, technically there is no limit. But unlike obesity it isn't excessive resources that keep piling up, it's excessive hormones that keep wasting those resources on growth So as long as you have an unlimited amount of either and unlimited amount of food they will just keep growing
I think the variety of topics on the exotic armour is a strength. The smaller casual conversations make the world feel more real, because chats in the real world aren't always of great importance. One of my favourite lore tabs is from the targeted redaction hand cannon this season, it's just a chat between Osiris and Saint and it's just a funny tab. It's nothing really that expansive or revelatory, just a good character beat which rounds things out. The crab tab just made me smile, and for me that's enough
I’m sorry but I have to heavily disagree with you on this. While yes a large narrative beat would be nice to see from these exotic lore pieces, I think it’s just as important to have a small story pan out within them. It helps flesh out the world, make it more realistic and grounded. Our world is filled with mundane stories with characters who don’t matter to the overall purpose, and that’s the point. Not everything has to be important. It’s like the side missions within a RPG game, or when a book details the life of some minor character, they’ll never be important to the main story or cast of characters, but the world would be much more empty without them. Plus the crab story was hilarious, implying that crabs are the final shape might be the funniest thing to come out of destiny in a while.
I get what you mean but I also understand why the guy running a lore channel is wanting more texts that contribute to the main story. I am well aware that the story will continue after TFS but even then, not nearly as many plot threads are going to be resolved in that story as there should be. The 11th hour of a 10-year story isn't the time to lean much on slice of life stories
My favourite types of exotic lore is like that of graviton lance or cerberus. Some guardian founds weird stuff from golden age that noone knows whats for and tries to do sth funny with it, like break the crucible. It really gives me that "guardians are just loot hungry scavengers trying to make everything a weapon" side of destiny, and i think thats the best part of it.
I feel like you missed the poibt if the Titan exotic lore. It was about how surprising it was to see a plant still thriving after all those years in the hydroponics lab. One of the plants specially grown there. The titan foujd that inspiring/lucky so they put it on their armor. Also we have plenty of jokey stuff like the crab hunter armor in the.
Why is it surprising to see a plant growing in a place where plants were cultivated to grow?! I agree with Byf. We have armour here that gives an entirely new way to interact with the light but we get a story instead about a plant... the lore missed the point, much like you yourself did.
@@kurtisdeakin Its a plant that specifically grew in a controlled hydroponics facility. It was able to survive all of the shit Titan has gone through, and without being in a properly functioning facility.
@@thebestpilot7Speaking of which isn’t it bizarre that the chest plate has a bunch of plants on it instead of just the one like the guardian said he grabbed? Last I checked it’s not normal for something to grow that much on a piece of metal (also it glows)
I find it necessary to point out that the Cenotaph Mask is definitely based on the main characters helmet/weapon from the classic game MDK, which the developers have since confirmed stood for Murder Death Kill which plays into the theme of the Cenotaph part of the name to a degree. So the name of the mask may not be referencing the lore character definitely being dead, it could just be linking back to the game it was inspired by.
To be honest, I thought Triton Vise and Arbor Warden were fine. They don't add anything to the big picture but that's okay. It's nice to see the little bits of day to day life that your average guardian has. Not every lightbearer is going to be Saint-14 or the Young Wolf. That's important to remember
Idk, it doesn't really bother me too much if lore entries for exotics don't enhance the overall story. Though i would argue that having random little moments like two guardians shooting the shit talking about crabs DOES add to the world by filling out the gaps. One of my favorite lore entries is the one for graviton lance. Not some huge revelatory entry (though it could be considering its subject being a weapon that can rip black holes into existence). Just two guardians, one showing their buddy this dope ass weapon they found and how they're gonna wreck havoc in the crucible with it. I'm more interested in the weapon/armor piece just being good. Not even busted op, but just useful AND fun to play with/build around. Id much rather the huge revelatory lore be brought out naturally in the main expansion and seasonal stories. Something that's been sort of hit or miss in these last few months, which is even more of a problem.
This does not happen often in destiny. The cenotaph mask lore gave me shivers. Genuinely made me feel uneasy. I'm scared of going into those pyramids now.
Imagine there was actually some feckin eldritch creature lurking in there. Not even affiliated with light or dark, just some xenomorph like creature (still waiting for the aphelion to make an appearance) that no one has found yet, that has a super rare chance of appearing within any pyramid location. Just lying in wait for a chance to snatch up some grub and drain it's life. That would be wild. You just see "you are being hunted" appear at the bottom left. You get ganked by that thing and get sent back to the nearest transmat zone. Kill feed doesnt even tell you what killed you.
I actually like the short stories about things that otherwise wouldn't make it into the history books. It adds flavour and texture to the world of Destiny that otherwise wouldn't exist.
Sometimes you get Necrotic Grips. Other times you get An Insurmountable Skullfort, which has had (and contuses to have) the best lore tab since D2 launched. Destiny is more like Discworld than LOTR in that sometimes there will be impressive world-building and philosophy, and other times there will be gags, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
Skullfort? Nah celestial nighthawk would like a word with you. Here's the second half of it "Luna's dry. The 'horn's dull. Mav's either laughing, or screaming for her life spraying lead everywhere. She's floating past Psions that won't stop splitting. STOP SPLITTING. We're almost out of time. We have one shot. So I pull out the bird and give this sucker the finger. One red-hot glowing finger."
Eh. Not every lore piece has to be revelationary. I love little lore as much as big lore. Funny little side thoughts, little slices of life from regular people or Guardians who aren't big heroes. One of my favorite things that Bethesda always did was tell little stories with only set pieces or a scattered journal with a long-dead adventurer. The guy in Morrowind who falls from the sky outside Seyda Neen... I guess my point is, small things like this are still fun and still add to the world!
@@kurtisdeakin I tune out when he starts his negativity. I've heard enough on RUclips and Twitter. Good if he feels the same, but I'm not watching if he's complaining.
This is probably the most I've disagreed with Byf on something, the "everything becomes crab" is to me an acceptable fourth wall breaking meta joke, referencing the IRL meme of carcinization/convergent evolution, as well as the wider speculation of what the final shape will be and the myriad jokes about what that shape might be. The plant one is kinda weak though XD
Near the middle of the video you try and explain how the exotics lore should tie into its ability, I always thought the exotics were tied to individuals and their fantasies. Like saint 14s helm doesn’t intrinsically have any ability, it’s just the helm itself expands the fantasy of the character itself. The Titan chest exotic might have been a unique way that titan used their barricade rather then giving inate power. It’s been shown that guardians have differnt ways of applying the light and dark outside of the confines of the way we use it ourselves
i dont know man, i like reading about little character moments and interactions with eachother. It shows the smaller scope as opposed to the super big actions taking place. to me at least it makes the world feel more lived in and more real.
I love the triton vance lore tab, because it has character. Sonewhere out there is the guardian who made these, and hes just a curious ADHD cime-fughting crab-man. Beautiful. He's no shin malphur, but hes a unique character.
Personally, I absolutely adore small scale stories. Tommy's Matchbook for example. It's not a story of guns and glory, or universe altering changes, it's simple. It's simply a story about how the death of Cayde had completely destroyed the morale of Hunters as a whole. A Hunter's den, quite literally a place where Hunters would gather and celebrate their adventures and share stories, was abandoned... Empty... Forgotten. There was just 1 mute Hunter and his Ghost. Utterly tragic. Then there's my absolute favorite piece of lore; the Takenome Rangers. They're a collection of non-guardians who travel outside of the City walls to guide new survivors back to the City. Everywhere they go, they plant blue flowers to provide a path back to the city.
reading the lore behind the armor and weapons makes me want to use them more often. some of my favorites range from the more wholesome/heroic like Precious Scars(what was once broken can be made whole again), Athyrs’s Embrace( an Eliknsi lullaby) and Ursa Furiosa(the one defending the powerless against the millions) but also ones that get a chuckle out of me like Celestial Nighthawk(giving an enemy the finger, One red hot glowing finger) and phoenix protocol(byf talked about this one), And that’s only the first five that come to my mind, anyone else have a personal favorite bit of armor lore they like?
Honestly Nezarek's sin kind of became that for me. It is the first exotic I have ever gotten, which in itself was quite the sign. It was the exotic that has basically a permanent place of residence on my voidlock which I come back to often because: - Devour is a drug - void explosions are cool - ability spam is objectively more fun for me Then came the the resurgence of Nezarek story during the derelict leviathan and ketchcrash season. There I got deeper into that lore and realized my warlock has been wearing that clearly corrupting artefact and reveling in the power it granted. It gave purpose for the actual function of the exotic, inflicting and absorbing the pain of those I vanquished would fuel my abilities to continue the rampage. And I was under no pretext that doing so was objectively going to result in something horrible later down the line. It had to be. You do not feed the abyss and not expect something to come crawling out eventually. When I would face Nezarek in the RON raid, it actually added some pretty interesting personal dynamic. I fed this monster with torment in the same way he fed me with power. The only way this would end is with the confrontation, of who would be the drinker of the other's pain. And I alone remain standing upon this broken throne... For now or course. For he is the final god of pain, and he shall rise again. But for now the bastard has earned another dirt nap until someone has the brilliant idea of turning him into coffee again.
For me my 2 favorite exotics are Felwinter's Helm and Vesper of Radius. Felwinter's Helm is because it's a helmet that literally has a half-dead ghost set in the back to give Felwinter 'eyes on the back of his head' and the lore tab is a funny little story from his recruitment into the Iron Lords involving it. As for Vesper of Radius its lore tab is pure academic mundanity and amusing as a result, it also happens to be a very cool looking exotic in general.
Karnstien Armlets. The idea of their creator missing their wife so much they created gloves that search for them is a Mr Freeze esque approach. Searching for them no matter the cost of others
Its not significant that its an acolyte, the reason it is an acolyte is because he can survive a shot in order to save the plant instead of risking destroying it. Its a reflection of the titans duty and commitment.
I think Byf got burned out from Destiny and his videos are just showing this. I find the crab lore really funny as crabs are like earth’s final shape and the titan armor lore, is just beautiful poetic as it is mundane is a world where gods are manic characters.
I would've enjoyed this more as two separate videos; one about the cenotaph mask, and another for the thoughts. Ironically, the same criticism you give also applies to the thoughts portion of the video. You have every right to feel the way you feel (I don't have any strong opinion on exotic lore tabs at all so I don't take issue with yours), but twenty minutes to say you aren't feeling it, even as eloquently as you deliver it, is a video I would've skipped.
Im pretty sure in nature the reason there are so many crab like animals is because crabs are so perfect alot of stuff evolves into them idk if im right i remember hearing this somewhere lmao
I love Byf casually noting how many of these enemies we’ve killed. Like I have to have stacked almost as many Eliksni as Saint-14 at this point. Any guardian older than like 4 has a body count in the hundreds of thousands
I'm just waiting for the lore from the Titan Dungeon weapons. The legendary weapons have some pretty interesting and rather upsetting lore regarding what happened on Titan during the collapse
Okay Byf, MAYBE I'm alone on this, but I DO want to know how big an Eliksni can get off an insane amount of Ether consumption. To be fair, I would still want context that goes beyond an exotic one liner.
Just a question that has nothing to do with this video is the “one million deaths is not enough for Master Rahool” from the loot cave in D1. Is that Nezerac
Remember that lore doesn’t have to be interesting in the confines of the game. It can just be interesting period. The whole crab thing is a joke sure but it’s an actual scientific concept pertaining to the evolving efficiencies of life. How biology streamlines itself for an environment. If you choose to study a bit of biodiversity it’s pretty interesting. Or say you want to take the crab thing as a surface level joke. Calling it bad means lore tabs like Graviton Lance and Crimson are also close to if not fall into that category. It’s nice for a weapon to be contextualised and Triton Vice does that. It explains the design choice. If guardians can wear Ahamkara bones, there’s no reason why we can’t see guardians wearing vex metal plates, hive armour and even fallen carcasses, which some guardians actually have done in the lore. The Titan one does the same but the reason it falls off is because it doesn’t have the humor to bolster it. A good luck charm doesn’t need to be too deep but they should’ve made it a bit more mysterious on how they found the flower or at least make the fight more action packed. In the end, it’s all subjective. I personally found the Wicked implement lore to be a bit short and dry. There’s nothing too deep. It’s just Xivu seeing how we’re such great fighters but we’re limited to the light. So she calls us out and revels for the day we fight. That’s all it boils down too. I think an exotic mission exotic should have more interesting lore than some random armour that’s slid into the game.
Hey byf I think you missed what the arbor warden and triton vice exotic lore pieces were supposed to be because to me they are small personal stories about what other guardians do in the system also not everything has to be important and the lore pieces can just be little looks into the universe. I get where your coming from and these two lore tabs probably shouldn’t be on exotics due to the umportantnce of their knowledge but I actually liked the Personal stories even if they weren’t deserving of being put on an exotic.
I respectfully disagree. Some lore tabs can be small little one offs that don’t expand to the greater story and world. For example, look at Celestial Nighthawk’s lore; it’s just about a Hunter flipping off a Taken, and I say that gives more than enough flavor
to me its quite clear that the pyramids even without their owners do possess intelligence afterall when we went to the pyramid that was being invaded by the cabal defectors on europa the pyramid sensed that our goal was to commune with the pyramid so it made a sort of wordless deal with us to eliminate the cabal and in compensation it would help us achieve that and we could use it commune with the darkness to better harness it and understand it. (at least if memory serves)
Lucky Raspberry, what Shiro-4 wears, has an interesting story about being worn by many Hunters. The lore of the Assassin's Cowl is similar in that regard. The lore of the Sunbracers connects to the lore of Sunshot in that both were made by Liu Feng, a Sunbreaker Titan. The Ursa Furiosa, the Pheonix Cradle, Shinobu's Vow, the Orpheus Rig, and Felwinter's Helm all have great stories. The Season 6 exotics, the Season 13 exotics, and the Season 15 exotics each have coherent, connected storylines related to the season they were added in.
Cenotaph mask is by far my favorite exotic in destiny. The fact the you were able to connect it to a horrific in nature mystery of concern makes me very happy. I really wish destiny would lean further into cosmic horror. Easier said than done.
I kinda disagree, I like that some lore just tells simple stories of what guardians are like, it kind of canonizes the dumb conversations we have with our friends while playing destiny into something that guardians do in the universe of the game, crabs being the final shape is also hilarious.
I think the funniest lore tab for me is peregrine greaves. The big report from the warlock on how a titan dropped from the sky and shoulder charged a walker. The the titan report just says "I had the best day ever!"
Methinks this be a case of detail fatigue. With such broad and deep knowledge already established, it isn't surprising that some new information isn't anything more than information. Not all of it can be emotionally resonant or feel like a worthwhile exploration of a built world; what connects with one player/reader may not connect with another. The Ascendant Raisins weren't particularly revelatory or resonant, but they got their own full explanation and lore reading because they came out years ago. A lot of deeper lore and detail was still missing then, so moments of silly fun or inconsequential detail still felt engaging and broadening. That impact is harder and harder to achieve amidst an increasingly massive body of information and story. Feeling underwhelmed like that is unfortunate and can feel disappointing, but I'm honestly surprised there haven't been more moments like this with the sheer volume of lore digested over the past decade.
FYI I tried factor ands it’s really greasy and oily food. It’s not unhealthy grease such as hamburger or bacon grease but if greasy food is gross to you, avoid.
Whats funny is a plant is a living organism and you use synths to compare but what if thats why the chest piece is covered in flowers lol. The flowers could be a type of symbiotic organism as well. Or the plant really is lucky because it has light in it or something or maybe its for the food supply since its for the hydrop area which i assume is hydroponics or maybe for clean air. The plants being on the chest in the image kinda makes me think the first thing maybe.
The crab conversation was a meme topic that you’d find in marine wildlife youtube videos and twitter posts. Bungie writers GOTTA get off the internet more.
an exotics main job is not to expand on the universe, the only reason they have a bit of lore to them is to cement the theme of the item. they only tie the lore of the weapon or armor close to the story when its convenient, it shouldn't be forced. plus what you see as good, interesting ones are like that in reference to the average or non interesting. they may not actively chose to put sub par stuff in the game but there will always be sub par content. for example the warlock vampirism gauntlets, it just talks about how a guy looking for his wife built these gloves to find her. its not interesting, but it gives a vage feel of the theme of it. Sometimes what we find interesting is that a vage thread can finally be woven somewhere, you were excited that such an old thing like nezerecs sin became so relevant. i dont think it would have bin as cool if you had all the answers back when it came out.
I know he can get frustrated with how certain items in the game give off weird and funky lore but man this was a 20 minute rant on that little subjects. I am not complaining, I just surprised is all, this must have been itching him for awhile for him to put this in a vid.
As arbor warden is one of my favorite exotics ever, I disagree. The tab provides depth to the Titans, who often get made fun of for punching, crayons, etc. They aren't though. They protect, they care, they nurture. The plant is simply a moment of beauty that inspires the Titan. You missed the point entirely.
In regards to Nezarec’s Sin, it was much more interesting before we actually met Nezarec. I’d really like to see then return in some manner. I’m disappointed they even removed their dialogue from the Netrunner strike post raid. I understand why from a lore standpoint…but we can still kill Oryx over and over, why not leave some cool dialogue in a strike.
Assassin’s Cowl is an interesting story. There aren’t any names or big, recognizable legends regarding the exotic. But, it does give insight into the unspoken brother/sisterhood of the Hunters. Sharing secrets and techniques, being a wanderer, or traveling with a posse. Though thogether, yet alone, Hunters have a type of honor that’s beholden to promise made, loyal built, or their own integrity as a Hunter, one that doesn’t back down to a dare, or leave friends behind. Despite being very individualistic, Hunters share stories, secrets, and are beholden to their own creed of class.
personally I think this is a bad take. Not every piece of lore needs to be important. Not everything needs to be some reality-warping revelation. This is a universe that is lived in, and as in life there are many moments that are simply not important. An inconsequential conversation about crabs between two bored Guardians is exactly the kind of thing that two real people might fill time with. a guardian has every right to just desire an unimportant flower. I love lore like this, to me it's truly interesting since it's just little glimpses into life.
Even I feel like u may have missed it Byf. But what if it connects to something in the near future? Since Neomuna is still a new destination, it'd be narrow-minded to think it is a random story🤔🤔
D1 lore was in the grimoire cards mainly and then listening to the story and the differences the characters have are also relevant. Keep your eyes and ears open so that you can see all patterns and paths.
It's silly, but the lore of Triton Vice has sent me and my fireteam into a long winding conversation about carcinization. Ultimately, we've decided that the Final Shape which everything will take in Destiny is that of a crab, and that to become truly powerful, we need to seek the form of the Crab.
I somewhat agree and both disagree byf new players and average players aren't going to care to much about lore wise but players who've been around for years on years will. Bungie has to balance some of it so og players can make assumptions and new player can be intrigued and dig deeper. Destiny is like wow or final fantasy 14, without the balance it becomes super story time before you get to play the game or just mindless gameplay that means nothing. That being said the meta commentary is hit or miss as you even said text on a screen doesn't convey comedy. If they improved it, they might add voice work to lore? Idk it definitely would help. Even 1 of characters would help lore wise if they added tone to a voice.
I wouldn't mind off shoot lore in a different time in Destiny, but this is the final moments of the light and dark saga, right now we NEED more interesting lore and lore that builds on the current story.
i like to think that titans could always do this but all of us where only focused on punching enemies really hard but never thought of punching our own grenades hard lol. where the plant is just a pretty flower that we wanted really bad.
I don’t think every exotic needs to be super interesting or filled with lore. I feel it makes the guardians and characters more fleshed out instead of killing looting machines
Honestly the exotic lore i like a lot is karnstin gauntlets. I want to know whos soul is in these gloves, how did they get there, and its implied that their lovers soul got reincarnated someone into some creature. And it wants you to punch everything in existence to find her. Just... thats nuts. And i wonder if this is light power, dark power, or even something new.
17:20 "I'm the lore guy, and do you know how many acolytes I've killed?" I'm just imagining a warlock sitting on a wicker chair, massive open book in his lap, a cup of tea in one hand, a monocle, and waving a hand around like "Even **I'VE** killed a lot of acolytes"
I really hope Nezarec makes a return. The writing and voice work are my favorites in the game(Xivu is up there too). I feel like we had such a small window for him, and such a huge part of the player base can't even experience his raid dialogue. My absolute favorite part of the campaign(yes, low bar, but I loved this) was his dialogue out of no where in the initial strike run.
I wouldn't get your hopes up, It's not like Rhulk got any attention post-Vow or really any other raid boss for that matter. They tend to all be very one-and-done.
Maybe the mask's lore tab was referring to the "horse of many butts" statues we see throughout the pyramid? Effigies of an earth animal on an alien ship does seem weird. And maybe the flower is more significant than at first blush, nobody knew what a pineapple was until Eris found a recipe that called for it.
a lot of people are disagreeing with Byf because smaller stories are "fine" but I think it's a timing issue as much as it's an issue with exotics needing to be something special (which, he's also correct about that). Destiny is at the point in its life cycle where it needs to be wrapping minor story beats up for the climax and resolution, not inventing new ones or going down blind alleys. Maybe not 100% since the story continues on after TFS but we're not just in a lull between two mid-story arcs, we're in the endgame. Byf is right.
How to make Triton Vice lore interesting: Have one guardian going in depth with lore about the development of hive physiology and culture, and the moment that the Final Shape is mentioned, have the other guardian ask if the Final Shape is a crab.
“Time for crab” :)
After final shape- Witness is Gone 🦀🦀🦀
Yes, and the final reveal is that the Traveler is actually the shell of a giant galactic hermit crab 🐚🦀
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I'm sure someone pointed it out by now, but the whole "Everything becomes more crab-like" is an actual real world concept called "Carcinization" and it's actually really interesting from an evolutionary point of view, and I imagine when you involve The Traveller and its terraforming, that convo becomes much more interesting.
Well you see, thats not interesting to the "lore daddy"🤓
And the fact that guardians know of it (even though in my understanding the hunter got a few things wrong about it) is interesting and amusing
@@doomforzombies Crypto-Archaeologists be working hard
I was about to comment on this .. When I heard his summary, I was like "Wait... that sounds like Carcinization and IS an interesting topic!" .. If anyone doesn't know about it, Kyle Hill did a good video on the subject. Search: 'CARCINIZATION: WHY EVERYTHING CRABS' to find it.
@@Tyrant_2000Lindsay Nicole has great video about the subject as well. Really recommend her.
When you refresh RUclips and get a fresh My name is Byf video TWO seconds off the press. *chefs kiss*
Got on RUclips and saw the video was about 10 minutes old. Chef's kiss.
Intro music starts playing
*Fanboy Penis throbbing intensifies*
Nice.
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Get some help…ings of chips to pass around friend.
Personally, I feel like not all exotic armors need to have a story that has huge or much implications as to the world. Sometimes, it’s nice to slow down and see that guardians are having a conversation or seeing a golden age plant and taking care of it. Sometimes even the most beautiful moments are smaller ones and I think if any part of the lore can convey this it’s probably going to be the exotic armor pieces.
I agree with this I sometimes go back and read the lore bit for graviton Lance just to get a good laugh
Yup. With peace and love Byf needs to touch some grass.
He sounds like he exhausted every avenue for exciting lore that he’s picking at bones here. Not all lore has to ground breaking, some of us enjoy bits like the plant.
Ever read the lore for Stompees? Hilarious. Adds nothing to the lore. But it's still a great nanofiction.
Also pretty much all of omolon's lore bits are fun to read especially wavesplitter
If you listened to what he said that’s exactly what he said
Personally i loved the lore tabs for Arbor Warden and Tritons Vice because they felt a bit more like personal stories rather than something grandiose to latch onto or somethiny thats steeped in deep lore and expansion
I doubt the Cenotaph Mask lore is describing a worm, a worm isn't a pseudo-mammal.
The lore of Cenotaph Mask seems to reference one of the Qugu's sessile beasts described in Inspiral.
One of the what from the who?
@@Verixz-mz4zjthe Qugu are a race destroyed by the Hive, Inspiral is the lore book for Root of Nightmares
@@jordanmckay7037 thx for that, I didn’t get lightfall so I don’t know anything about RoN or it’s lore.
@@Verixz-mz4zj the qugu are mentioned in the books of sorrows in passing, if i remember correstly they were a species entirely dedicated to life off of a parasitic plant which when it digested the body parts of the qugu excreted a nectar that granted the qugu visions, so essentially the qugu were are race of drug addicts and the hive seeing their reliance on the plant's nectar decided to give them the kindness of releaving them of the burden of existense
@@Verixz-mz4zj possibly Rhulk he practically let us poor through his pyramid probably knowing the possibility of his death he decided to let loose some of the creatures that were in his pyramid to discouraged and kill the curious
See I wholly disagree, because I *Love* Arbor Warden. It may not expand the story, but it expands the *themes* of Destiny that have been there from the very beginning. Recovering the remnants of an age long past while under siege by the forces of darkness. It's literally about killing an enemy to get a thing, that's what the game's been for a decade now. It's nothing revelatory, but it's a strong reminder of the foundation of things.
I think these lore tabs for the hunter and titan exotics might be a more of a setup to potential to why they exist like the hunter one could lead to those two guardians using glavies and finding out it’s purpose or we expand how the arbor warden works but I agree it could’ve been worded better in both exotics
agreed. I really think the arbor warden lore is gonna lead to more stuff, since we got a name for both the guardian and ghost.
@@raven-starcatcher exactly I imagine a follow up could be of seeing how the flower reacts to the light and dark and the titan being a titan tries a grenade near the flower to make the throwable barricade or something like that
I mean, it's nothing new. Exotic lore have always been like this, some are jokes (khepri's horn), some are serious, some are basically nothing sandwiches that talk about where the exotic was found (Monte Carlo) and some just throw names to be used later (Nezarec's sin).
That's the main reason why I like reading exotic lore tbh, it's like reading an in-game social media
As someone who finds the more boring/small things in various fandoms very interesting, personally I think smaller/less interesting or important lore is fine, and honestly I'm a little curious. How big can an Eliskni get? Do they follow the rules of some fish where, so long as there is enough room and nutrients, can they get as big as something like Oryx? What sort of plants did they grow on Titan, and how did they change, or how different were they? Of course the idea of something lurking in some of the Pyramid Ships, or maybe some sort of... remnant of the captain or perhaps The Witness flows through it as a hidden defense mechanism is pretty cool too.
I think it's fair to assume that scientists on Titan somehow messed with the light
Eliksni's natural adult size is that of a Captain. It has been noted that Kells and Archons became greedy and bloated with Ether after the Whirlwind
@@nightgirlgaming1985okay but what if an extremely large amount of ether was given to a random fallen? Would they explode or just continuously grow?
@@SavathunSussyImpostorI'd think they'd grow to be as big as taniks or skolas, or maybe even bigger like Valus Ta'aurc.
@@SavathunSussyImpostor if you continuously feed any fallen an abnormal amount of either they, as far as we know, would just keep growing.
It's like obesity, technically there is no limit. But unlike obesity it isn't excessive resources that keep piling up, it's excessive hormones that keep wasting those resources on growth
So as long as you have an unlimited amount of either and unlimited amount of food they will just keep growing
I think the variety of topics on the exotic armour is a strength. The smaller casual conversations make the world feel more real, because chats in the real world aren't always of great importance. One of my favourite lore tabs is from the targeted redaction hand cannon this season, it's just a chat between Osiris and Saint and it's just a funny tab. It's nothing really that expansive or revelatory, just a good character beat which rounds things out. The crab tab just made me smile, and for me that's enough
I’m sorry but I have to heavily disagree with you on this. While yes a large narrative beat would be nice to see from these exotic lore pieces, I think it’s just as important to have a small story pan out within them. It helps flesh out the world, make it more realistic and grounded. Our world is filled with mundane stories with characters who don’t matter to the overall purpose, and that’s the point. Not everything has to be important. It’s like the side missions within a RPG game, or when a book details the life of some minor character, they’ll never be important to the main story or cast of characters, but the world would be much more empty without them.
Plus the crab story was hilarious, implying that crabs are the final shape might be the funniest thing to come out of destiny in a while.
THE FINAL CRAB
I liked the crab thing too cause it talked about how there is life on titan in its oceans despite still not being terraformed by the traveler.
I get what you mean but I also understand why the guy running a lore channel is wanting more texts that contribute to the main story. I am well aware that the story will continue after TFS but even then, not nearly as many plot threads are going to be resolved in that story as there should be. The 11th hour of a 10-year story isn't the time to lean much on slice of life stories
8:15 and 10:05 and in other places he says the same thing. People seemed to have half listened and jumped on this erroneous concept.
Dude, only redditors and terminally online mfs find that lore to be anything more than neat or amusing at best.
My favourite types of exotic lore is like that of graviton lance or cerberus. Some guardian founds weird stuff from golden age that noone knows whats for and tries to do sth funny with it, like break the crucible. It really gives me that "guardians are just loot hungry scavengers trying to make everything a weapon" side of destiny, and i think thats the best part of it.
I feel like you missed the poibt if the Titan exotic lore. It was about how surprising it was to see a plant still thriving after all those years in the hydroponics lab. One of the plants specially grown there. The titan foujd that inspiring/lucky so they put it on their armor. Also we have plenty of jokey stuff like the crab hunter armor in the.
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Why is it surprising to see a plant growing in a place where plants were cultivated to grow?! I agree with Byf. We have armour here that gives an entirely new way to interact with the light but we get a story instead about a plant... the lore missed the point, much like you yourself did.
@@kurtisdeakin Its a plant that specifically grew in a controlled hydroponics facility. It was able to survive all of the shit Titan has gone through, and without being in a properly functioning facility.
@@thebestpilot7Speaking of which isn’t it bizarre that the chest plate has a bunch of plants on it instead of just the one like the guardian said he grabbed? Last I checked it’s not normal for something to grow that much on a piece of metal (also it glows)
@@kurtisdeakin Jesus Christ you're in every single comment that slightly disagrees with Byf going on rants and screaming at people. Relax kid.
I find it necessary to point out that the Cenotaph Mask is definitely based on the main characters helmet/weapon from the classic game MDK, which the developers have since confirmed stood for Murder Death Kill which plays into the theme of the Cenotaph part of the name to a degree. So the name of the mask may not be referencing the lore character definitely being dead, it could just be linking back to the game it was inspired by.
To be honest, I thought Triton Vise and Arbor Warden were fine. They don't add anything to the big picture but that's okay. It's nice to see the little bits of day to day life that your average guardian has. Not every lightbearer is going to be Saint-14 or the Young Wolf. That's important to remember
I don't see how it can be any better than talking about crabs
Idk, it doesn't really bother me too much if lore entries for exotics don't enhance the overall story. Though i would argue that having random little moments like two guardians shooting the shit talking about crabs DOES add to the world by filling out the gaps. One of my favorite lore entries is the one for graviton lance. Not some huge revelatory entry (though it could be considering its subject being a weapon that can rip black holes into existence). Just two guardians, one showing their buddy this dope ass weapon they found and how they're gonna wreck havoc in the crucible with it. I'm more interested in the weapon/armor piece just being good. Not even busted op, but just useful AND fun to play with/build around. Id much rather the huge revelatory lore be brought out naturally in the main expansion and seasonal stories. Something that's been sort of hit or miss in these last few months, which is even more of a problem.
This does not happen often in destiny. The cenotaph mask lore gave me shivers. Genuinely made me feel uneasy. I'm scared of going into those pyramids now.
Imagine there was actually some feckin eldritch creature lurking in there. Not even affiliated with light or dark, just some xenomorph like creature (still waiting for the aphelion to make an appearance) that no one has found yet, that has a super rare chance of appearing within any pyramid location. Just lying in wait for a chance to snatch up some grub and drain it's life. That would be wild. You just see "you are being hunted" appear at the bottom left. You get ganked by that thing and get sent back to the nearest transmat zone. Kill feed doesnt even tell you what killed you.
I actually like the short stories about things that otherwise wouldn't make it into the history books. It adds flavour and texture to the world of Destiny that otherwise wouldn't exist.
Sometimes you get Necrotic Grips. Other times you get An Insurmountable Skullfort, which has had (and contuses to have) the best lore tab since D2 launched. Destiny is more like Discworld than LOTR in that sometimes there will be impressive world-building and philosophy, and other times there will be gags, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
Skullfort? Nah celestial nighthawk would like a word with you.
Here's the second half of it "Luna's dry. The 'horn's dull. Mav's either laughing, or screaming for her life spraying lead everywhere. She's floating past Psions that won't stop splitting. STOP SPLITTING.
We're almost out of time. We have one shot.
So I pull out the bird and give this sucker the finger.
One red-hot glowing finger."
Even in its gags discworld was world building and fast better written than most of destiny lore
@@sylokthedefiled7650 Pretty solid, but it doesn't invite one to frolic in skull-meadows.
@@sylokthedefiled7650It truly is an F-you exotic.
@@sylokthedefiled7650lol imagine not having unlimited primary
Eh. Not every lore piece has to be revelationary. I love little lore as much as big lore. Funny little side thoughts, little slices of life from regular people or Guardians who aren't big heroes.
One of my favorite things that Bethesda always did was tell little stories with only set pieces or a scattered journal with a long-dead adventurer. The guy in Morrowind who falls from the sky outside Seyda Neen...
I guess my point is, small things like this are still fun and still add to the world!
People don't listen. 8:15 and 10:05 ish and in other places he says the same thing.
@@kurtisdeakin I tune out when he starts his negativity. I've heard enough on RUclips and Twitter.
Good if he feels the same, but I'm not watching if he's complaining.
@@kurtisdeakin he says the same thing but his broader point of the video is that the said exotic lore tabs are "boring"
This is probably the most I've disagreed with Byf on something, the "everything becomes crab" is to me an acceptable fourth wall breaking meta joke, referencing the IRL meme of carcinization/convergent evolution, as well as the wider speculation of what the final shape will be and the myriad jokes about what that shape might be.
The plant one is kinda weak though XD
I agree that lore wise, it is weak but still intriguing. How are the none hive guardians starting to carry light, and from this, life inside of them.
13:02 according to byf written text can’t carry a tone even I someone who doesn’t enjoy reading books extremely disagrees with that statement lmao.
Near the middle of the video you try and explain how the exotics lore should tie into its ability, I always thought the exotics were tied to individuals and their fantasies. Like saint 14s helm doesn’t intrinsically have any ability, it’s just the helm itself expands the fantasy of the character itself. The Titan chest exotic might have been a unique way that titan used their barricade rather then giving inate power. It’s been shown that guardians have differnt ways of applying the light and dark outside of the confines of the way we use it ourselves
i dont know man, i like reading about little character moments and interactions with eachother. It shows the smaller scope as opposed to the super big actions taking place.
to me at least it makes the world feel more lived in and more real.
I love the triton vance lore tab, because it has character. Sonewhere out there is the guardian who made these, and hes just a curious ADHD cime-fughting crab-man. Beautiful. He's no shin malphur, but hes a unique character.
Personally, I absolutely adore small scale stories.
Tommy's Matchbook for example. It's not a story of guns and glory, or universe altering changes, it's simple. It's simply a story about how the death of Cayde had completely destroyed the morale of Hunters as a whole. A Hunter's den, quite literally a place where Hunters would gather and celebrate their adventures and share stories, was abandoned... Empty... Forgotten. There was just 1 mute Hunter and his Ghost. Utterly tragic.
Then there's my absolute favorite piece of lore; the Takenome Rangers. They're a collection of non-guardians who travel outside of the City walls to guide new survivors back to the City. Everywhere they go, they plant blue flowers to provide a path back to the city.
reading the lore behind the armor and weapons makes me want to use them more often. some of my favorites range from the more wholesome/heroic like Precious Scars(what was once broken can be made whole again), Athyrs’s Embrace( an Eliknsi lullaby) and Ursa Furiosa(the one defending the powerless against the millions) but also ones that get a chuckle out of me like Celestial Nighthawk(giving an enemy the finger, One red hot glowing finger) and phoenix protocol(byf talked about this one), And that’s only the first five that come to my mind, anyone else have a personal favorite bit of armor lore they like?
Definitely rain of fire and astrocyte verse
Honestly Nezarek's sin kind of became that for me.
It is the first exotic I have ever gotten, which in itself was quite the sign. It was the exotic that has basically a permanent place of residence on my voidlock which I come back to often because:
- Devour is a drug
- void explosions are cool
- ability spam is objectively more fun for me
Then came the the resurgence of Nezarek story during the derelict leviathan and ketchcrash season. There I got deeper into that lore and realized my warlock has been wearing that clearly corrupting artefact and reveling in the power it granted. It gave purpose for the actual function of the exotic, inflicting and absorbing the pain of those I vanquished would fuel my abilities to continue the rampage. And I was under no pretext that doing so was objectively going to result in something horrible later down the line. It had to be. You do not feed the abyss and not expect something to come crawling out eventually.
When I would face Nezarek in the RON raid, it actually added some pretty interesting personal dynamic. I fed this monster with torment in the same way he fed me with power. The only way this would end is with the confrontation, of who would be the drinker of the other's pain.
And I alone remain standing upon this broken throne... For now or course. For he is the final god of pain, and he shall rise again.
But for now the bastard has earned another dirt nap until someone has the brilliant idea of turning him into coffee again.
For me my 2 favorite exotics are Felwinter's Helm and Vesper of Radius. Felwinter's Helm is because it's a helmet that literally has a half-dead ghost set in the back to give Felwinter 'eyes on the back of his head' and the lore tab is a funny little story from his recruitment into the Iron Lords involving it. As for Vesper of Radius its lore tab is pure academic mundanity and amusing as a result, it also happens to be a very cool looking exotic in general.
Karnstien Armlets. The idea of their creator missing their wife so much they created gloves that search for them is a Mr Freeze esque approach. Searching for them no matter the cost of others
For me it’s the ahamkara armor. I think it’s so cool how the bones talk to the wearer
I think the one thing these season's exotics will be remembered by is the memes. Two of them at least. You got Crab arm and aircraft carrier helmet.
I think the hunter one may be a a knod to the "everything becomes a crab" joke
Its not significant that its an acolyte, the reason it is an acolyte is because he can survive a shot in order to save the plant instead of risking destroying it. Its a reflection of the titans duty and commitment.
If you're looking for content to cover you could finish Clovis Brays journal. Been looking forward to your thoughts on Entry 12
I think Byf got burned out from Destiny and his videos are just showing this.
I find the crab lore really funny as crabs are like earth’s final shape and the titan armor lore, is just beautiful poetic as it is mundane is a world where gods are manic characters.
She does admit that humor is subjective, so what you find hilarious. He doesn't even find amusing
I would've enjoyed this more as two separate videos; one about the cenotaph mask, and another for the thoughts. Ironically, the same criticism you give also applies to the thoughts portion of the video. You have every right to feel the way you feel (I don't have any strong opinion on exotic lore tabs at all so I don't take issue with yours), but twenty minutes to say you aren't feeling it, even as eloquently as you deliver it, is a video I would've skipped.
The titans gernades thing should have been a titan playing baseball with his shield and then accidentally fusing the two
Im pretty sure in nature the reason there are so many crab like animals is because crabs are so perfect alot of stuff evolves into them idk if im right i remember hearing this somewhere lmao
I love Byf casually noting how many of these enemies we’ve killed. Like I have to have stacked almost as many Eliksni as Saint-14 at this point. Any guardian older than like 4 has a body count in the hundreds of thousands
I'm just waiting for the lore from the Titan Dungeon weapons. The legendary weapons have some pretty interesting and rather upsetting lore regarding what happened on Titan during the collapse
True. Interesting how Bungie is reminding us about Rasputin's atrocities not that long after his cut and dry "redemption"
Okay Byf, MAYBE I'm alone on this, but I DO want to know how big an Eliksni can get off an insane amount of Ether consumption. To be fair, I would still want context that goes beyond an exotic one liner.
Now you have me wondering how freaking big they can become, if they get a whole bunch of ether..
You should do a tier ranking exotic armor pieces (and then exotic weapons) but solely based on their lore. I think that would be so fun
Triton Vice is Crab. It's all it needs to be. ADVANCE TO CRAB BYF
ADVANCE TO CRAB
alright fine. To be fair, if you're going to make a joke, you need it to be actually Funny.
Just a question that has nothing to do with this video is the “one million deaths is not enough for Master Rahool” from the loot cave in D1. Is that Nezerac
Honestly, now that we talked to him that's definitely something that he would pull off
Remember that lore doesn’t have to be interesting in the confines of the game. It can just be interesting period. The whole crab thing is a joke sure but it’s an actual scientific concept pertaining to the evolving efficiencies of life. How biology streamlines itself for an environment. If you choose to study a bit of biodiversity it’s pretty interesting.
Or say you want to take the crab thing as a surface level joke. Calling it bad means lore tabs like Graviton Lance and Crimson are also close to if not fall into that category. It’s nice for a weapon to be contextualised and Triton Vice does that. It explains the design choice. If guardians can wear Ahamkara bones, there’s no reason why we can’t see guardians wearing vex metal plates, hive armour and even fallen carcasses, which some guardians actually have done in the lore.
The Titan one does the same but the reason it falls off is because it doesn’t have the humor to bolster it. A good luck charm doesn’t need to be too deep but they should’ve made it a bit more mysterious on how they found the flower or at least make the fight more action packed.
In the end, it’s all subjective. I personally found the Wicked implement lore to be a bit short and dry. There’s nothing too deep. It’s just Xivu seeing how we’re such great fighters but we’re limited to the light. So she calls us out and revels for the day we fight. That’s all it boils down too. I think an exotic mission exotic should have more interesting lore than some random armour that’s slid into the game.
You should do more exotic lore videos. Some of my favorite are One eyed mask, Loreley splendor helm, and necrotic grips just to name a few.
I think the lore is just ambience about the life of guardians, I like the lore for those exotics
Sounds like the second encounter from the raid. The walls push you off the encounter if you run out of time.
All this triton vice and arbor warden talk when cadmus ridge lance cap has the most barebones lore I've ever seen for a exotic.
Hey byf I think you missed what the arbor warden and triton vice exotic lore pieces were supposed to be because to me they are small personal stories about what other guardians do in the system also not everything has to be important and the lore pieces can just be little looks into the universe. I get where your coming from and these two lore tabs probably shouldn’t be on exotics due to the umportantnce of their knowledge but I actually liked the Personal stories even if they weren’t deserving of being put on an exotic.
I feel like this video was made primarily just to appease the Algorithm despite the story content starting to dry up.
I respectfully disagree. Some lore tabs can be small little one offs that don’t expand to the greater story and world. For example, look at Celestial Nighthawk’s lore; it’s just about a Hunter flipping off a Taken, and I say that gives more than enough flavor
One of my favorite exotic armor lore tabs is the helmet Precious Scars. I just thought the story with it was really endearing.
to me its quite clear that the pyramids even without their owners do possess intelligence afterall when we went to the pyramid that was being invaded by the cabal defectors on europa the pyramid sensed that our goal was to commune with the pyramid so it made a sort of wordless deal with us to eliminate the cabal and in compensation it would help us achieve that and we could use it commune with the darkness to better harness it and understand it. (at least if memory serves)
Lucky Raspberry, what Shiro-4 wears, has an interesting story about being worn by many Hunters. The lore of the Assassin's Cowl is similar in that regard.
The lore of the Sunbracers connects to the lore of Sunshot in that both were made by Liu Feng, a Sunbreaker Titan.
The Ursa Furiosa, the Pheonix Cradle, Shinobu's Vow, the Orpheus Rig, and Felwinter's Helm all have great stories.
The Season 6 exotics, the Season 13 exotics, and the Season 15 exotics each have coherent, connected storylines related to the season they were added in.
Eris moan also wears lucky raspberry
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I personally liked Arbor Wardens lore.
I enjoy hearing about other guardians just like me and the stuff they get up to.
Love me some byf video in the morning
You are first
D1 lore was harder harder to access and understanding it was a little harder to do but it was still amazing.
Cenotaph mask is by far my favorite exotic in destiny. The fact the you were able to connect it to a horrific in nature mystery of concern makes me very happy. I really wish destiny would lean further into cosmic horror. Easier said than done.
I kinda disagree, I like that some lore just tells simple stories of what guardians are like, it kind of canonizes the dumb conversations we have with our friends while playing destiny into something that guardians do in the universe of the game, crabs being the final shape is also hilarious.
The lore tab of the cenotaph mask is unsettling the fact we dont have a complete grasp on these pyramids in any way shape or form
I think the funniest lore tab for me is peregrine greaves. The big report from the warlock on how a titan dropped from the sky and shoulder charged a walker. The the titan report just says "I had the best day ever!"
I loved the lore for Triton Vice, I feel like it’s something that wasn’t supposed to be taken seriously, and read more as a shit post
Methinks this be a case of detail fatigue. With such broad and deep knowledge already established, it isn't surprising that some new information isn't anything more than information. Not all of it can be emotionally resonant or feel like a worthwhile exploration of a built world; what connects with one player/reader may not connect with another.
The Ascendant Raisins weren't particularly revelatory or resonant, but they got their own full explanation and lore reading because they came out years ago. A lot of deeper lore and detail was still missing then, so moments of silly fun or inconsequential detail still felt engaging and broadening. That impact is harder and harder to achieve amidst an increasingly massive body of information and story.
Feeling underwhelmed like that is unfortunate and can feel disappointing, but I'm honestly surprised there haven't been more moments like this with the sheer volume of lore digested over the past decade.
FYI I tried factor ands it’s really greasy and oily food. It’s not unhealthy grease such as hamburger or bacon grease but if greasy food is gross to you, avoid.
Whats funny is a plant is a living organism and you use synths to compare but what if thats why the chest piece is covered in flowers lol. The flowers could be a type of symbiotic organism as well. Or the plant really is lucky because it has light in it or something or maybe its for the food supply since its for the hydrop area which i assume is hydroponics or maybe for clean air. The plants being on the chest in the image kinda makes me think the first thing maybe.
I like the track your on with this the plant could provide clairvoyant or heal or something
The crab conversation was a meme topic that you’d find in marine wildlife youtube videos and twitter posts. Bungie writers GOTTA get off the internet more.
an exotics main job is not to expand on the universe, the only reason they have a bit of lore to them is to cement the theme of the item. they only tie the lore of the weapon or armor close to the story when its convenient, it shouldn't be forced. plus what you see as good, interesting ones are like that in reference to the average or non interesting. they may not actively chose to put sub par stuff in the game but there will always be sub par content. for example the warlock vampirism gauntlets, it just talks about how a guy looking for his wife built these gloves to find her. its not interesting, but it gives a vage feel of the theme of it. Sometimes what we find interesting is that a vage thread can finally be woven somewhere, you were excited that such an old thing like nezerecs sin became so relevant. i dont think it would have bin as cool if you had all the answers back when it came out.
This is no longer a Lore Channel. It's a Drama Channel.
Gone down the Myelin road 😔
I know he can get frustrated with how certain items in the game give off weird and funky lore but man this was a 20 minute rant on that little subjects. I am not complaining, I just surprised is all, this must have been itching him for awhile for him to put this in a vid.
As arbor warden is one of my favorite exotics ever, I disagree. The tab provides depth to the Titans, who often get made fun of for punching, crayons, etc. They aren't though. They protect, they care, they nurture. The plant is simply a moment of beauty that inspires the Titan.
You missed the point entirely.
The Pyramid ships should never be considered safe space. There is more to them than meets the eye.
In regards to Nezarec’s Sin, it was much more interesting before we actually met Nezarec. I’d really like to see then return in some manner. I’m disappointed they even removed their dialogue from the Netrunner strike post raid. I understand why from a lore standpoint…but we can still kill Oryx over and over, why not leave some cool dialogue in a strike.
Assassin’s Cowl is an interesting story. There aren’t any names or big, recognizable legends regarding the exotic. But, it does give insight into the unspoken brother/sisterhood of the Hunters. Sharing secrets and techniques, being a wanderer, or traveling with a posse. Though thogether, yet alone, Hunters have a type of honor that’s beholden to promise made, loyal built, or their own integrity as a Hunter, one that doesn’t back down to a dare, or leave friends behind. Despite being very individualistic, Hunters share stories, secrets, and are beholden to their own creed of class.
personally I think this is a bad take. Not every piece of lore needs to be important. Not everything needs to be some reality-warping revelation. This is a universe that is lived in, and as in life there are many moments that are simply not important. An inconsequential conversation about crabs between two bored Guardians is exactly the kind of thing that two real people might fill time with. a guardian has every right to just desire an unimportant flower. I love lore like this, to me it's truly interesting since it's just little glimpses into life.
My favorite lore tab is from skullfront
"you hands are now your eyes, have a look around!"
Even I feel like u may have missed it Byf. But what if it connects to something in the near future? Since Neomuna is still a new destination, it'd be narrow-minded to think it is a random story🤔🤔
7:38 I still call them Sunbreakers half the time by habit.
When I saw the titan exotic I hoped it would talk about the plant life that grew when the traveler fired at the Witness's ship.
D1 lore was in the grimoire cards mainly and then listening to the story and the differences the characters have are also relevant. Keep your eyes and ears open so that you can see all patterns and paths.
The syntoceps lore tab reminds me of the contraverse gold lore tab, both awesome
It's silly, but the lore of Triton Vice has sent me and my fireteam into a long winding conversation about carcinization. Ultimately, we've decided that the Final Shape which everything will take in Destiny is that of a crab, and that to become truly powerful, we need to seek the form of the Crab.
They nerfed syntho + glaive, for the hunter gauntlets. I'm absolutely convinced of it, and I'm pissed about it. Also great vid
Didn't matter since Syntho + glaive is still better than these things by a longshot.
That doesn't make much sense because Synthoceps is 1. A titan exotic. 2. It has considerably more value than working just for glaives.
As everyone else said that isn’t the reason. Hunter exotic gives a weaker damage buff compared to Synthos
@@papertowels9162 oh, i know. Kinda funny tbh
@@thebestpilot7 right, i get that, but the timing is a bit convenient, yea?
Crowning Duologue needs a video! Been waiting for that conversation!
Good to see RUclips notifications is working now
I somewhat agree and both disagree byf new players and average players aren't going to care to much about lore wise but players who've been around for years on years will. Bungie has to balance some of it so og players can make assumptions and new player can be intrigued and dig deeper. Destiny is like wow or final fantasy 14, without the balance it becomes super story time before you get to play the game or just mindless gameplay that means nothing. That being said the meta commentary is hit or miss as you even said text on a screen doesn't convey comedy. If they improved it, they might add voice work to lore? Idk it definitely would help. Even 1 of characters would help lore wise if they added tone to a voice.
The Triton Vice lore tab is the kind of thing you put on a sparrow, or a seasonal weapon. Or a ship.
I wouldn't mind off shoot lore in a different time in Destiny, but this is the final moments of the light and dark saga, right now we NEED more interesting lore and lore that builds on the current story.
i like to think that titans could always do this but all of us where only focused on punching enemies really hard but never thought of punching our own grenades hard lol. where the plant is just a pretty flower that we wanted really bad.
Crab is the final shape
Titan: I fought an acolyte for this
Byf: *DO YOU HAVE EVEN THE SLIGHTEST MODICUM OF AN IDEA WHO I AM*
I don’t think every exotic needs to be super interesting or filled with lore. I feel it makes the guardians and characters more fleshed out instead of killing looting machines
Makes me think of the old Dont Touch Mes from D1. The lore card for that one was so interesting
The lore of the A N V I L
“DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY ACOLYTS IVE KILLED??!”
The titan talking about the acolyte he killed: 🥺😢☹️
Honestly the exotic lore i like a lot is karnstin gauntlets. I want to know whos soul is in these gloves, how did they get there, and its implied that their lovers soul got reincarnated someone into some creature. And it wants you to punch everything in existence to find her. Just... thats nuts. And i wonder if this is light power, dark power, or even something new.
17:20 "I'm the lore guy, and do you know how many acolytes I've killed?"
I'm just imagining a warlock sitting on a wicker chair, massive open book in his lap, a cup of tea in one hand, a monocle, and waving a hand around like "Even **I'VE** killed a lot of acolytes"
I really hope Nezarec makes a return. The writing and voice work are my favorites in the game(Xivu is up there too). I feel like we had such a small window for him, and such a huge part of the player base can't even experience his raid dialogue. My absolute favorite part of the campaign(yes, low bar, but I loved this) was his dialogue out of no where in the initial strike run.
I wouldn't get your hopes up, It's not like Rhulk got any attention post-Vow or really any other raid boss for that matter. They tend to all be very one-and-done.
Maybe the mask's lore tab was referring to the "horse of many butts" statues we see throughout the pyramid? Effigies of an earth animal on an alien ship does seem weird. And maybe the flower is more significant than at first blush, nobody knew what a pineapple was until Eris found a recipe that called for it.
It would be awesome if you could do a lore ranking of all exotics! Or a playlist of each piece of exotic lore!!!
a lot of people are disagreeing with Byf because smaller stories are "fine" but I think it's a timing issue as much as it's an issue with exotics needing to be something special (which, he's also correct about that).
Destiny is at the point in its life cycle where it needs to be wrapping minor story beats up for the climax and resolution, not inventing new ones or going down blind alleys. Maybe not 100% since the story continues on after TFS but we're not just in a lull between two mid-story arcs, we're in the endgame.
Byf is right.