worst panel design ever!!! I even doubted my own abilities to complete it.
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- What an event this was!! It makes me wonder how designers are able to qualify as designers when I get presented with things like this. I may have been slightly at fault by wanting to get the job completed as it was my last week but I should have realised the design was below par. I'm sorry the video is soooooo long but I couldn't omit what I wanted to say about the work that was involved. I think this is the longest video I've ever posted.
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What a great engineer, a day in the life of you, a real eye opener , I'll never moan about stripping and terminating 25mm SWA again
That amount of space for the size of cable is pretty ignorant of the person who designed the panel. But I guess it's not them who have to terminate it. It's right up there with floor mounted panels with the DIN rail terminals at the base virtually touching the bottom, making it very hard to terminate into them.
Definitely. They must be given a spec of some kind. I feel they just ignore it and design what they feel like anyway.
Ha Ha Ha - been there !
The video doesn't convey the rigidity of those cores. I wish I'd known about the bottle jacks and ratchet strap techniques in the past. I just used brute force.
When I've used brute force in the past I always seem to strain the muscles in my upper forearm and lower bicep. Or maybe it's the elbow joint itself. Anyway, that's why I stopped and found another method that still allows me to pick a pint of beer up on a night😂😂😂
And here I am, sharing warstories about wiring in a 80 amp feed. :D Childs play compared to this shit
This guys tinder profile probably says: " No matter how tight it is, I'll make it work with a few straps "
Great content lad!
😂😂😂😂😂😂 I'll ask the wife, we met on tinder😂😂😂
Thanks to Residualcurrent for recommending your channel. I have spent the last couple of days watching you at work. I am in awe of you and your professionalism and work ethics. I struggle with a 5x16mm 😅
Thanks mate. Comments like this mean a lot👍🏻
I am in awe great job mate ! greetings from Boston ! Imagine having all three cables cut down and connected and realized that you forgot to put your heat shrink on?
Nice job under the circumstances , I could feel your frustration coming through the screen..... 👍
Thank you👍🏻 it was infuriating 😂😂
Love watching your videos. I think your an absolute legend for tackling these jobs on your own. In the past we have had extension boxes made for the top of the panel to make life easier.
Thank you pal. I should have asked for one but it was my last week and I wanted to get it done.
I’m impressed……that’s hard graft and all done without any swear words 👍
"Not the neatest job I've done" I've got nothing but respect for your work Tony. That chamber was terrible. End result was magic
Thanks mate. I wasn't gonna let it beat me that's for sure.
Those cables are so stiff, that situation was just scumbaggery imo..
But you really know your stuff man, im enjoying it!
Getting them cables set and put away in that space is nothing short of heroic mate. 💪👌⚡⚡⚡
Good evening, I have to give you a lot of credit!!!! I have over the years, have worked a lot of wiring and cabling jobs.worked in tighter cable space no larger than six inches or less. I had to layer, nine three hundred mcm cables, with compound bends, all by hand. I completely understand you position. Be careful, don't hurt yourself. Enjoyable your videos, Joe Capo.
Big props from the US - glad I found your channel the nitty gritty details and and dedication to getting it done are addictive
Thanks for watching. Sorry for the late reply👍🏻
I feel your pain Tony, got the task of getting a 120mm in a 200a MEM switch fuse coming out a duct 200mm below. should have got the design to make up a spreader box and come in the side. great video as always. Got the Exhaust pipe cutter and it works an absolute treat. I will give you tag when I get round to putting some pictures up on insta.
I'm sure they think we're magicians!! Or they don't think at all which is more to the point.
They are a game changer aren't they!! Don't know what I'd do now without mine.
Cheers for that bud👍🏻
@@jointechcabling9103 Worked with many companies like that in the past.
No idea about what space is required to terminate cables.
One job I did with a similar company, I actually sent them a couple of metres of 4c 240mm² XLPE/SWA/PVC and told them to make sure we can G&T it !
Result ☺
So well done to you on that one 👍
Im short of breath watching that.....ive yet to terminate 240's, but i know how brutal they are, uour measuring was quality and to be fair those couldn't have came out any better, like bending scaffy tube in that cramped box. Unbelievable effort 💪👍
I absoluteley take my hat off to you mate. Not many people would have managed that, or persisted with it like you did. The sad thing is, anybody looking at it, that haven't tried anything like that before, simply won't appreciate what has gone into it. That must have been a right wrestle and I bet you are truely glad when it was over. Well done mate.
Thank you very much. You're right about people not really knowing what goes on but that's part of the mystery isnt it. If it was easy everyone would be doing it and I'd be out of work😂😂😂😂
So I installed the ladder rack you see, lol... I wish I had gone higher but was following instructions... This Gentleman you see is an Absolute Legend, I saw him a couple of times and hes aura is like a mythical creature the rarest to find. He walks around with the biggest camping bag and you just know, sh*Ts about to go down! Thank you for reminding me of work done.
Yes! A full hour video. Like it Tony and been looking forward to watching you wrestle those 240’s! “It’s gonna be great!”
Cheers man👍🏻 I thought it might have been a bit too long but I couldn't make it any shorter or I would have missed stuff out.
Feel your pain on this one. MCC designers should be made to do a few terminations themselves just to see how difficult it is with larger SWA cables. On a couple of occasions we had a new top hat box made to replace the gland plate this gave us an extra 400mm to play with but it would be nice if designers and builders thought more about the termination process.
For that first one, could you have dropped it down behind to form a U, and then come up onto the busbar from below, or would the radius have been too tight?
I didn't even think of that. I'm not sure whether the set on to the copper would have been too severe. I'll have to look back over the video. 👍🏻
Felt your pain with that one.I was going to say don't you ever use a spreader box but obviously that was mentioned later in the video. I am retired now but it took me back to my mid twenties the company I work for got a lot of this type of work and I was pick for more than my fair share of it but I love it what a challenge to get them lovely sweeps in the cables with a few blocks of wood and a dodgy bit of rope.Like your modern kit.
Ahhhh yes the old windlass!! I used it a few times when I was a youth! Very dangerous bit of kit if you let go of it unexpectedly 😂😂😂
Incredible work ! Really great effort... the panel designers should go to site and work with you to learn how to design a termination chamber. Until you experience the real world of site works you can never truly understand how to design things !
I've said this a lot in the past. Instead of consulting with the designers, who haven't got a clue have they, they should talk to the jointers.
Agreed !
Your videoing from back was really good. Being closer sometime is just too close
Cheers mate. It is sometimes isn't it. It's hard to get a happy medium sometimes.
Blimey Tony what a nightmare of a job 😯😥. One hell of a struggle. Yes and hind site is a good thing about the spreader box .but would that have given you less room to get the cables glanded into good job done ..👍👍👍👍
The last two cables where like a walk in the park loads of room 👍👍👍👍
I let my eagerness over rule me and should have stopped and thought about it. The last two were a doddle in comparison 😂😂. Thanks mate👍🏻
Nice one YNOT you should never doubts your skills mate
Top man looked very difficult but you got it in the end. 👏
Thanks mate. It's was difficult but I wasn't giving up.
You're a lot less green these days since you left the Avengers 💪💪💪 savage effort Hulk 👌
Cheers bud. I honestly felt like smashing the fucking thing a few times though😂😂😂
Came into the panel in the wrong place so no space for yourself. Done 100s these in my 20s and best tip always get max distance from entry to terminal. Turned out ok though TBF.
Proper job.
Seen you working at didcot but wasn't aware you did videos until you left.
Awww never mind. I'm hoping to get back on the next phase.
Hi Tony,
What a sod of a job. Who in their right mind would design a panel like that and what kind of engineer suggested 4c 240’s. As you say, it would have been easier to use single cores. Hindsight is a wonderful thing re extension boxes. You’ve done a sterling job under the circumstances and not forgetting putting away the other 2 x 240’s ! Absolutely brilliant bud ! Catch you in Oxford ! Stay well, keep safe.
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It was a pig but I wasn't gonna let it beat me.
Thanks bud and I'll see you soon.
I use long screwdrivers to form 70s -120s u my friend are a legend
Small pry bars are handy.
Thanks bud. The straps and chain block are a game changer for me.
Outstanding. Just outstanding. Well done
Thanks my man👍🏻
Jesus I'm so glad the USA doesn't use armored cable...I'd say nope no way....
Basically you have to be a body builder to bend that cable
Well done Tony, you did great.
WOW that was something else, my arms felt rubbery just watching. not many other people on this planet would've been able to manage that. i really do think you should send this video to the company that made the panel. not to blast them, but as a learning experience. the person who designed it is probably new and had no idea.
This is the problem with young hardware engineers, theyre too lazy to learn the trade first and have never worked on a panel but they cant wait to start designing and tell people how to do what..
you should remove the gland plate and fit a top box where you can terminate the cables horizontally
I would have loved to but didn't have the time. I should have knocked it back but I was being a bit pig headed.
Ever tried using pipe bending tools on 185/240mm cable for pre-forming it?
I don't know if it will work, but it might.
I take my hat of to you for terminating in such a confined space
Thanks my man. 👍🏻
Whoever designed that panel needs there head testing, that chamber needed a gland box extension on it then you could have side entry the cables and might have made it a bit easier
If the cables were single core 400mm it wouldn't have been a problem. The person that ordered the cable wants a kick in the flaps😂😂😂
@@jointechcabling9103 bit like the person that once sent us 2x 400mm 4cores that had been double cut so were 5mtr short each, that wasn’t fun re drumming 90mtrs on each
Have you ever had the ladder rack come away from the wall while ratcheting??? 😢😢
I haven't had it come away but I have bent the sides and the rungs. They moan but I explained that their job was designed by blind people. They usually replace the broken stuff at their own cost.
I'm actually impressed you did it I would of instantly said no it's to tight 😅
This was a case of greed over riding common sense🤦🏻🤦🏻😂😂
For what that is, I would say its extremely tidy. What a pain in the bolix.
Unreal Tony for a man on his own 👌👌
Thank you bud👍🏻
Respect for doing it on your own - seems to be a little more than a one man job with such bend and limited space inside !
Sometimes it's better on your own because there's no one confusing matters or getting in the way😂😂😂😂
Tony. You are a rock star. There aren’t many who could have managed that. I used to moan like a drain when we had 4c 70’s to make off. I hated swa’s. Why can’t they make them flexible. 😉. Ps. I know it was in London but Where was that job? It sounded like trains running close by.
Think its waterloo station
Thank you very much👍🏻👍🏻. It was Waterloo station. A shopping centre underneath the tracks.
Maybe glanding them in a row from back to front, in the centre …Rather than left to right.
They all had to go at the back because I needed the distance to allow them to fall in a straight line. You wouldn't have been able to bend the four cores out of the front of the panel in that little space.
Tell you what Tony, for the space and size of cable, you can't say its not neat. don't think it could be any better
Thanks my man. It was a pain in the arse that's for sure😂😂😂
fair play to Tony , even i want 2 of us doing that work, how you maanged that on your own .Top man , Question; why was you so worried about the possible wrong size gland , your labour only , if its wrong the company has to get you right size ! whats the worry if they cock up , you still get paid d. Dont you?
It wasn't that I would have had to buy one, it was the delay to the job if it didn't fit. It takes a day to get the gear dropped off.
Thanks very much👍🏻
Thank fuck I work mostly with aluminium. Thank you for your tips and inspiration. I welded myself a cable bender out of steel pipe in the shape of the letter F. Also i use some made out of rebar for grounding bars made of zinc steel that we bury. I know you guys use copper electrodes.
Hello, excellent Job.
I think the solution to your issue will be to install the glands One in Front of the Other, this will allow you to do one at a time and give you room to maneuver without crossing conductors..so measure the correct fit on the first and repeat the measurement on the next two as they are to be exactly the same. therefore you can also bend them outside the cabinet. just my opinion...
I admire your patience and tenacity and job quality, as I will be a fountain of 👹👺😡 $*#*&*()^ coming out of my mouth dealing with such a job.
Best of future...
Only about 25 mins into video Must have been designed for single cores onto busbar. No way the manufacturer can expect that size multicore cables to be glanded dressed and terminated in that amount of room.
Maybe an extension box on top to gland into the side and allow more room to work cables inside enclosure. Tricky one pal. Well done for efforts
I thought all of those thoughts too but it was my last week and they wanted it putting away. Silly sod I am, should have said no.
Thing is, I've seen this hundreds of times before and the manufacturer actually does expect that size multicore cable to be glanded, dressed and terminated in that amount of room.
It's crazy but the people designing the panels have never glanded a cable off in their life before - sheesh !
Hence that's what you end up with.
Well done!
That looks like the worse job to get ever ever ever.😁
It was. I wasn't gonna let it beat me though.
Mate I’ve just pissed my fucking self laughing. 30 secs in
What did I do?😂😂😂
What about a forward facing pigtail. Would that have not given you some play
Really good job big buddy 🫡🔥 learned lot of tips and tricks 👊🏾👊🏾
Thanks pal👍🏻 that's why I started the channel. I thought I'd pass a bit of what I've learned on to others.
Have you tried using quick grip clamps , can push and pull
Tidy ! Great stuff.
Cheers bud👍🏻
Great job terminating those 240’s in that minute space you had! It’s tidy and it’s safe so no need to beat yourself up. As my dad used to say “It’s better than it was for it’s as bad as it is.” Looking forward to the next one! Btw was that the same room as you were in the other week when you were having a little moan? 😀
Thanks very much👍🏻 yes it was the same room I was in the other week. I was moaning a bit wasn't I!!😂😂😂 I'm not normally like that. Only when people don't think about the end result.
But the electrical consultant who designed it and specified the cable has been to university he knows what he’s doing despite the fact he cannot put his trousers on his self but that’s what his mum is for.
Hahahahahahahahaha 👍🏻. It's a sad state of affairs at the minute. It's seems that no one visits site anymore. It's all generic design by computers.
🤣 brilliant !
Mmm spreader box or not ?, 6 of 1 half a dozen of the other, with spreader box definitely easier to terminate but where to gland off. more difficult to bend 240s into the top of spreader box depending on height of box if not impossible. To gland into the side 240s look like they would end up hanging in fresh air with no containment, as you say the job not been thought out. Think you did a great job with those 240s in trying conditions, enjoy your videos I'm sure 2000 subs + await your channel.
Exactly my thoughts! I think I was a bit hasty as it was my last week and I wanted to get them completed.
I'm not far away now. I think I need another 65 subs for 2000!!👍🏻
Pre-rel
Pre-plan for a splitter box .
Yeah I should have. Miss judgement on my part. It was my last week and I let that get the better of me.
Why not put the holes for the glands in a diagonal line? It will not look as nice on the outside but if they would remove the need for the bending forward in the panel.
In order to get the length I needed to terminate each core I had to put them all at the back because that's where the space inside was. If I hadn't of hit that space I would never have been able to bend the cable out of the front of the panel because they're just too big. Plus, once it's been bent, the gland never sits flush to the plate and you struggle to get the lock nut on.
Straight into panel cut core fit lug wee somersault onto bus bar job done Thursday nights brass night gotta cash in a tusk
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 if it was that easy, everyone would be doing it. Made me laugh though👍🏻👍🏻 good craic!
Would it have been feasible to have drilled the holes for the glands in a diagonal row.
I needed the drop at the back to get the cables in straight. As soon as you bend cables that big you can't get the lock nuts on because the gland is at an angle.
Should have been a spreader box on and gone side entry.
Should have really. I think I'd have still had enough room for top entry if the box was 350mm.
@@jointechcabling9103 you did bloody well there mate.
Should have refused todo it. The feedback might then have gone back to the manufacturer who designed and built the not fit for purpose pannel. Or I was thinking a big trunking on the top, jigged out to give some more space. You do need amazing getting it in by the way, well done.
I know I should have but it was my last week and I wanted it in before I left.
Thanks very much though
Yes, agreed that's always a good workaround !
Impressive, can you not get a spreader box?
You could of but I was being impatient. Silly really coz I knew better but still went ahead with the job.
Are there any bend radius on these cores?
I'm sure they have a threshold but I'm not sure the exact parameters. Unfortunately I didn't have the luxury to stay in the boundaries (that's if I crossed them at all)
who built the switchgear?
I'm not sure, it might have been a company called Seetech.
could you not have had the top of the panel cut out and an extension box fitted obviously by others, whoever designed this panel wants putting up against a wall.
I should have asked for that to be done but it was my last week on site and they wanted the room finishing for testing. So, like the nice chap I am, I gave it a go for them.
@@jointechcabling9103 Wrote that comment before watching the whole item ,cant beleive you achived that installation with such a tidy job
Whos it made by
Seetech I think. I honestly think it's the fault of the person that ordered the cable though. It should have been single core aluminium armoured cable.
Spreader box?
Yup, should have requested one but let my heart rule my head and jumped straight in.
Why swan neck them? I've not watched it all the way through yet, but I'm betting you could just set then in at an angle and still have full contact with the lugs.
Nah, no way the lugs have to be perpendicular. Sure, it looks nicer, but electrically the contact would be fine on an angle.
I take it you are a spark and not a cable jointer?
You did a good job though
By 2 cables do you have almost one meter and by 3 only 30 cm. WTF
Nice work not the most beautiful resault but with what you had to work with at It looks good