This Church Invited a Male Stripper to Perform? | Ep 988
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- Опубликовано: 6 июн 2024
- Today we discuss the recent controversy over Mark Driscoll's public rebuke of a stripper's performance during the opening of the Stronger Men's Conference. Magala took off his shirt, ascended a pole, and swallowed a sword at the event, which was organized by James River Church in Missouri. Was Driscoll out of line? Plus, Ben Affleck and Jennifer Garner's daughter recently came out as transgender - we go through some other children of celebrities who have also become LGBTQ+. And recent maulings by Pitbulls beg the question: should the breed be banned?
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Timecodes:
00:00 Intro
00:30 Mark Driscoll & sword swallowing debacle
23:55 Golden Bachelor breakup
36:45 Ben Affleck and Jennifer Garner’s daughter is “trans”
47:15 Pitbulls
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Nope, a sin committed in front of the church openly is to be called out openly.
Mark did the right thing calling out from the pulpit
100%. This public display of unchecked "entertainment" with sexual and homosexual undertones warrants a public rebuke to save the collective from falling into sin or error. The same way Paul rebuked Peter and Jesus rebuked the religious leaders of the day.
AMEN!!!!!
That Jezebel pastor would be calling Jesus out for ALL the times He publicly rebuked the pharisees.
Pastor is satanic.
Agree 💯
Listening to Lindell talk about himself as above reproach nearly made me vomit. I don't care what Mark has or has not done in the past, in that moment he did the right thing. I'm only sad that he apologized.
HOLY COW ALLIE 😂 Driscoll is a FRAUD!!!!!! HAVEN'T YOU SEEN WHAT JUSTIN PETERS SAYS ABOUT HIM 😮 ? HAPPY CLAPPY EVANGELICALS real Christians ❤
But what did he apologize for exactly
He didn't apologize for calling out that pole routine if you listen closely. He apologized for not going to John first. But he text John and his sons when he got home and told them he stands by what he said about that performance, but he won't say another word publicly about it. So John Lindell used their Wednesday night service to drag Mark Driscoll and his "error" and bring up his past to further discredit him. He made a public plea for Mark to repent publicly for everything he did and said.
I actually found Mark through this drama and I'm so happy i did. May God continue to use this debacle as a footstool for Mark to reach more people @pureprairie
@ MARK SAYS SOME Crazy SEX Stuff with Couples. JUSTIN PETERS POINTS iT OUT ON RUclips VID. Mark Driscoll is SICK 😷
I don’t understand what on earth warrants entertainment in church when we are literally drowning in entertainment all around us.
Absolutely
YES!!!!!!!
Driscoll didn’t rebuke Lindell personally-he rebuked the display. The appropriate thing for Lindell to do would be to go on stage after Driscoll and address the issue from his perspective humbly and publicly. But his flesh was active when he yelled from the audience.
100% correct
Controlling and manipulative cult leaders operate in the way John Lindell has acted out. Good call on how he yelled at Driscoll from the audience.
The act was done publicly. Therefore, I have no problem with him addressing it publicly. The bigger question is not only why would this Church do such a thing, but why a male stripper during a men's conference? 🤔 And I don't believe for one minute it's because a male is more acceptable than a female stripper. There's an agenda to push if money/fame is to be gained!
First of all, the guy wasn't performing a strip tease. I have seen his work on America's Got Talent, Britain's Got Talent. It looked like the same performance he did on those shows. Did the guy need to take off his shirt? No, absolutely not. However, let's not be ignorant here about this performance. Alexandr Magala did some things on that pole that was all circus art. HE DID IT WHILE SWALLOWING A KATANA. A Katana is a curved samurai sword. The sharpest blade in history. The way they tested the sharpness of it was one of two ways. Either cutting through silk with no fringe, or cutting cleanly through a corpse. Magala climbs up the pole and flies down it, inches from the pommel hitting the floor and killing him. Listen, I have photographed and shot circus arts before. This is nothing more than a performance. If this is strip tease then why were his pants on the whole time?
@@brentclark8276 he took off his shirt, sauntered around the pole, and stoked it before climbing it. People who have seen a striptease know what the beginning of one looks like. It may not have been the goal, but it was a disturbingly strip-adjacent performance at the beginning. And honestly… I don’t know what circuses you are photographing, but I’ve NEVER seen aerialists or clowns take off their clothes and begin pole dancing in the circus outside of vegas performances, and we all know those are basically overly sexualized performances too.
@@melindamercier6811 I agree that this is out of place. It shouldn't have been done. All I'm saying is let's be fair and not take cheap shots here. He took off his shirt, handed it to an assistant and continued his performance. In a past life I was a personal trainer. There were other personal trainers and co workers at the time who were strippers. I never been to a strip club before at all. What they were describing is a far cry from what this is.
This was gay
Perhaps, an overall lack of zeal in the church. What would cause that? Who knows.
You know our Christian world. I once met a man who said he was incapable of sinning. He ended up getting kicked out of the church for doing something inappropriate. We have this great thing, grace, but you know what I see?
These days, so many people using grace as a reason to not only sin, but criticise those who try not to sin. It's no wonder these sorts of things happen.
I went to this church for 8 years and recently left a year ago. I’m glad we finally got out of there and we are in a Biblically sound church. Thank you for covering this Allie!
Hi I'm from Springfield
I'm curious what church you ended up at
So glad you made it out ❤️
I’m so disappointed. I didn’t realize this “unsound” type of stuff was happening there. Did you notice it getting worse over the years?
@yvonnewilson3527 idk if you're looking for a church in Springfield, but my husband lived there for 5 years and would highly recommend Graceway. He came to them as a very passionate but spiritually immature former youth pastor and he says this church helped him so much.
@@lauraelizabeth3704 Graceway Baptist?! That is where we go now!!!
@@yvonnewilson3527 Graceway Baptist Chirch is where we ended up. We love it!
I am sick of incessant entertainment in churches (called “worship”) period.
agreed😇
@@melvinlewiswellsjr.2619 I am surprised that there are those who agree with me. I expected to draw fire for that comment . Music people tend to be very defensive.
There are plenty of silent churches for you, such as Amish and others very rigid or allowing only old music (which was once new). Please don't project your taste over the Body of Christ, no one is arbitrator of music.
@@marisamartin3664 not accepting your affordance trap. It’s not either silence and rigidity or hours of loud music with flashing lights .
Just stop .
My issue is with the focus on and the amount of music , not the inclusion of some music. The church universal is anemic and part of that is due to the elevation and prioritization of the irrelevant : copious amounts of entertainment.
@@marisamartin3664 Lucifer was over the music in heaven, and it is believed that he is cunningly seductive in the area of music.
No more entertainment based Christianity. I’m so over rock music “ worship music” and “ cool” pastors.
Find a Church of Christ in your area. Back to the Bible and Christ as our only authority and you can't go wrong.
Me too
There can be good rock in church but that's only when it's correctly done for Jesus.
Me too! Run, don’t walk….
Anne Barnhardt calls this “super fun rock band church”.
Allie, I know most of your audience is female. As a guy, I want you to know I really appreciate your content. I trust you. I think you give the most fair and honest coverage of topics like this. You stand for true, Biblical values. Not crazy false doctrines. You are a warrior. Keep fighting the good fight.
Amen!
WITHIN A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN CONFERENCE
ABSTAIN FROM ALL APPEARANCE OF EVIL
1st Thessalonians 5:22
HOLY COW ALLIE 😂 Driscoll is a FRAUD!!!!!! HAVEN'T YOU SEEN WHAT JUSTIN PETERS SAYS ABOUT HIM 😮 ? HAPPY CLAPPY EVANGELICALS real Christians ❤
not sure i'm seeing evil... guy does an entertainment show... you guys see striptease and fellatio... as it says; out of an abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.
Like asking your members to give you their 401 k and routing information this church is a den of heresy and vipers already
@@joshuascott3428 I KNOW IT'S OUTRAGEOUS DUPING
"ALL APPEARANCE"? So, no preaching ever again that a pastor/denomination has THE interpretation of the Bible vs other teachers/denominations. Cuz, pride. How about no more higher salaries for pastors? Greed. Just brainstorming here...
They couldn't play a Bible story on stage for entertainment? The Bible has a profuse number of stories of every kind, they just don't glorify filth. We are in the end times.
Amen
HOLY COW ALLIE 😂 Driscoll is a FRAUD!!!!!! HAVEN'T YOU SEEN WHAT JUSTIN PETERS SAYS ABOUT HIM 😮 ? HAPPY CLAPPY EVANGELICALS real Christians ❤
Some of them are pretty wild too lol!!
Why need entertainment at all? If they're there for a conference, to worship & receive the word, shouldn't that be enough?
Right there are so many good juicy stories!!!
Ok, barring any of the theological differences of Pastor Mark and I (or any other Christian for that matter), and barring his past at Mars Hill Church... having a man rip his shirt off and dancing around a pole is objectively gay behavior. Pastor Mark was *correct* in his rebuke.
Agreed. And not just gay but sexually depraved behavior in general.
It was done in pride.
@@rhondahart2416 I disagree with this take. He would not have obeyed Lindell ordering him off the stage if it was through pride.
@@Momofukudoodoowindu what was he supposed to do? Get into a brawl? He didn't handle his thoughts biblically.
Mark Driscoll is a false teacher anyway and he should not be given a pulpit.
He teaches by way of eisegesis. This should be avoided because that is not rightly dividing the word of God. God gives guide lines to test teachers and preachers and when they fail the guidelines we mark them and move on.
Have you ever watched the clip on him talking about having visions ? He tells his congregation about a private session of a husband and wife, he says that the Holy Spirit gave him a vision of her in bed with another man then proceeds to unload that on her in front of her husband.
Does one need to explain how wrong that whole story was? It was plain creepy.
No one that pulls a stint like that should ever be teaching or preaching
He's word of faith and it's false .
@@rhondahart2416Wgat you said may very well be true and I’m inclined to agree with you. That still doesn’t mean Driscoll’s rebuke was not proper.
The reason he should not have spoken to the conference Pastor first is bc it was a public sin by a Pastor and needed a public rebuke in front of all of the people who witnessed it. Look at Paul's public rebuke of Peter..."in front of them all". A pastor is held to a higher standard than a brother in Christ as Matthew says. If he has talked to him before hand it would have only been swept under the rug. And all those men who witnessed it would have left there none the wiser that this was a wicked choice. Him speaking up, boldly and publicly was correct. Imagine if non-believers were in the audience as I am sure there were and nothing was said. They would have walked away. Listen to the conversation that was had when they came back on stage about how Lindell condemn Mark for calling him out at all and compares it to the sin of loosing faith to call out someone "anoited by God". Absolutely disgusting. Bc of the public rebuke those men will think about it and take it to God themselves and seek wisdom and they will think in the future. I mean, come on, you walk into church and there's an 80 foot stripper pole- I'm out if that's the case. These progressive churches keep trying to up the baseline of what is acceptable and I believe Mark was listening to the Holy Spirit when he called him out. Lindell's a false prophet leading his flock into darkness. I had to do the same thing with my local United Methodist Church that I had attended for 40 years. Had to walk away bc of the actions of the Pastor and how he was leading the church against God's word. These are hard times for weak believers.
I suspect if he had said something privately 20 minutes before, he would not have been allowed on stage or at the least been told he could go on but not say anything about that issue. He was obviously trying to distance himself from the performance as a representative of the conference.
HOLY COW ALLIE 😂 Driscoll is a FRAUD!!!!!! HAVEN'T YOU SEEN WHAT JUSTIN PETERS SAYS ABOUT HIM 😮 ? HAPPY CLAPPY EVANGELICALS real Christians ❤
I suspect the same. And his whole message was about Jezebel, Ahab and Elijah. He would have rebuked them by just giving the message.
I agree. This was done publicly. If the appropriate public response of leaving the conference didn’t happen, then it was left up to one brother to listen to the Holy Spirit and do the right thing.
Best explanation. Couldn’t have said it better. God bless Mark, and the Elijah spirit
I was totally looking for a comment like this on how Paul rebuked Peter. He literally didn’t have to go to him first. It needed to be called out in public.
What ever their pasts Mark was right there, making it clear he didn’t ascribe to that sort of act at a church conference. Well done Mark Driscoll on that one. Had he not spoken out on stage many would have been left wondering if he was ok with that!
Did they ever answer the question why they would have a stripper at a Christian Men’s Ministry Conference? Why are they avoiding this question when they say they are in the right????
He claims he was a go go dancer over 10 years ago and then because a world renowned swotd swallower. He was part of the opening ceremony of the 2016 Olympics and was on Americas Got Talent so I think the church saw him as family entertainment.
He is a proud supporter of Buddhism based on his Instagram. Still makes no sense
I'll tell you, someone is a queer.
@@gretchenpeters8082Nothing “ family friendly” about that performance, other things going on there.
@@christina166 That's even more disturbing, Buddhism is very, very different than the God " Jesus Christ" they claim to worship in that church. Two totally different belief systems
Allie looks so beautiful! Just respect for her having little babies at home and still delivering great content! I know that must be exhausting! Appreciate her bravery in speaking about God in every message ❤️
She is special for sure. Wonderful woman of God.😊
That act belongs on a show like Americas Got Talent. So, Driscoll did the right thing. Shows you a lot of what is wrong with some of today's churches.
@@eminnate Thanks, just now heard about this...
This situation has escalated to a full blown scandal 💔💔 , both sides are wrong to some degree in this situation
@@olgacamarillo1917 Mark Driscoll shouldn't be a pastor in the first place.
It's the same act I saw on AGT, if the guy had just worn a muscle shirt we wouldn't be here. Maybe the guy really didn't get it, it's like the girl who comes in with a short skirt and all the ladies come out & rebuke her for lifestyle, instead of just explaining pants please. LoL
@cincyborn he should have left out the part where he licked the sword too.
100% agree w/ Pastor Mark on this! . This needed to be rebuked publicly. You can see he was nervous about bringing the rebuke, but was obeying the Holy Spirit. He also was clearly distraught over it. Pastor Mark speaks truth and he is brave and a man of God. I think it’s sad people always bring up his past mistakes when bringing him up, he has also publicly apologized for all those things and repented. He is a new man! Isn’t that what being made “new” is? I think the prophets and disciples weren’t so popular or well liked.
Agreed! Doing the right thing is sometimes not popular or easy! It is always the hard thing and rarely makes you friends.
But he did the right thing. He is a man of God.
What's more shocking is that the other pastors that were there didn't rebuke that demon spirit out also.
Imagine if the pastor would have remained silent and then gone up and prayed with the attendees and asked for forgiveness. Yea, that would have been revolutionary.
I’m glad you responded to this. I don’t think Driscoll knew this would be the entertainment. I think he was sincere and expressed his concerns in love. Lindell’s response was atrocious.
A lady in my neighborhood wanted my 10yo daughter to dog sit (with my hubby's oversight), so we all went to meet the dogs, which I didn't realize before hand were pitbulls. Over the course of an hour the lady told me her pits had a history of killing their pet cats, so they can't have cats anymore. They would kill other dogs if they got out, so to make sure they don't escape. They aren't good with men and have been known to corner workmen, but my husband should be fine. She said her own husband didn't think the dog sitting was a good idea. Later that day when I declined the dog sitting job on my daughter's behalf, the owner was very angry and offended, and said her dogs were perfect angels and well behaved the entire time we were over there. All I know is that one stared at me the entire time and completely weirded me out. No thank you.
Wow, that is bizarrely 😅
People tend to bend reality to accommodate their wishes, no matter the potential cost to others .
Good call. Icy eyed pitbulls are to be avoided.
Good call letting her father go to. And for declining dog sitting
Pitbulls are dangerous and unpredictable and their owners are sometimes downright delusional.
HOLY COW ALLIE 😂 Driscoll is a FRAUD!!!!!! HAVEN'T YOU SEEN WHAT JUSTIN PETERS SAYS ABOUT HIM 😮 ? HAPPY CLAPPY EVANGELICALS real Christians ❤
I was born and raised in Springfield MO. The church that Lindell leads, James River, is one I was forced to attend for years as a child and teenager. It is a megachurch, a Godless mecca of extravagance mostly shallow faith. I'm disappointed in this but not surprised
Ally there’s more to that.. Lindell told mark to not ‘touch’ the anointed one.. so Mark went back to the stage and took the criticism.. really Lindell is telling people to not attack the anointed ones.. shame on him
The only anointed one is Jesus! The sick language that covers up these men’s sin is just putrid.
When I first heard this I was sick to my stomach that the pastor of this church would have signed off on this sword/ strip dance! I think Mark did the right thing. The fact that this church allowed this to happen signals very deep problems.
That event runner pastor couldn't keep it together - he had to start shouting at Driscoll from the audience, yeah that's 'taking it to the church'. Imagine that fellow behind closed doors.
Then Lindell publically exposes Driscolls private texts. Hypocrite.
Right on point.
Wait WHAT!? Really
Only select parts...
I went to this church from 2nd grade -senior year. It was like home to me. But when I worked there and served on the worship team there I saw what a production and show it was. That there was no heart behind it. And what really got me to cut them off was seeing things related to the new age in the preschool. And when I reached out to the about it assuming they didn't know they said they knew the origins of some of the things they had but that they could be "redeemed" for the Lord. Last I check Deuteronomy 18... The Lord doesn't want that.
That could be "redeemed " by the Lord statement is straight out N.A.R. This false teaching.
I used to go to a small church that accepted new age stuff as well and wanted to have yoga at the women’s retreat…left that church.
We should go to church to worship the Lord...not to be entertained!
Mark Driscoll tells it like it is. He did what he needed to do in the moment to use that as an example to what he teaches. He teaches about the Jezebel spirit when it’s presented in the church, in our world, and in kids shows so we are not desensitized and are more aware of the weird stuff going on today. I’ve learned a lot from him.
I would watch Justin Peters about Mark Driscoll.
There's no such thing as a Jezebel spirit.
@@adriaanj1808Jesus would beg to differ as he addresses the Jezebel Spirit in Revelation.
@@Mb2IseeU Revelation 2:20 NKJV - “Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols.
Where does Jesus say beware of the Jezebel spirit?
@@rhondahart2416 Justin Peters worships Justin Peters.
IT'S JUST COUNTERFEIT CHRISTIANITY MARRIED TO JEZEBEL'S SPIRIT
True
Well said.
You know your men’s conference is whack when Mark Driscoll is the voice of reason!
Hear! hear!
Sorry but that is hilarious. But you know what, listening him address this at the conference, he seem like a change man.
Or when 570 men commit their lives to Jesus. You should watch some of the teaching and not dumbass sound bites by desperate content creators.
Well, he’s not a peace, love and rainbows kind of pastor he’s dogmatic to his core….
@@teresagroneck4270 lol think again. he acted like typical mark soon after that
I have never agreed with Driscoll except in this instance. The stripper even put a sword down his throat (no symbology there)
HOLY COW ALLIE 😂 Driscoll is a FRAUD!!!!!! HAVEN'T YOU SEEN WHAT JUSTIN PETERS SAYS ABOUT HIM 😮 ? HAPPY CLAPPY EVANGELICALS real Christians ❤
He's a sword swallower, that's what he does. He is now a Christian and no longer a stripper.
First of all, the guy wasn't performing a strip tease. I have seen his work on America's Got Talent, Britain's Got Talent. It looked like the same performance he did on those shows. Did the guy need to take off his shirt? No, absolutely not. However, let's not be ignorant here about this performance. Alexandr Magala did some things on that pole that was all circus art. HE DID IT WHILE SWALLOWING A KATANA. A Katana is a curved samurai sword. The sharpest blade in history. The way they tested the sharpness of it was one of two ways. Either cutting through silk with no fringe, or cutting cleanly through a corpse. Magala climbs up the pole and flies down it, inches from the pommel hitting the floor and killing him. Listen, I have photographed and shot circus arts before. This is nothing more than a performance. If this is strip tease then why were his pants on the whole time?
@@brentclark8276 The commentor means that the sword is a phallus-shaped object commonly symbolizing a penis...katana or not. What middle-aged man wants to see another man rip open his shirt and swallow anything? C'mon now.
@@brentclark8276This has NO place in a church whether he was fully clothed or not. Also taking his shirt off makes it a strip tease. Why? Because THAT IS PART OF STRIPPING.
As a Christian man who has struggled with homosexuality and sexual sin in general, if I am going to a men’s conference, I am hoping to be built up in my manhood, not tempted or reminded of the past !! This “stronger” men’s conference is incredibly tone-deaf for today’s world where sexual inuendo is already everywhere. And then the audacity of John to tell people that have an issue with it that they are being judgmental, living in the flesh, and heading toward unbelief?? I do think that Mark’s wording was a little strange. Specifically how he almost makes it sound like a woman stripping is normal, but for a man to do it is wrong. They’re both wrong !
I heard him comparing what the performer did with what women strippers do, basically saying the performer was acting like a stripper...which is correct.
@@singingstars5006 right, but I didn’t quite understand what a man or woman has to do with it
Exactly. As a female, who grew up in 1970s Mecca of atheism and homosexuality, Berkeley, California, I recognized the abominable right off the bat. God miraculously saved me from my Rocky Horror childhood and indoctrination by a abominable parent and this sort of stuff just sends my red flags up instantly! None of us are beyond temptation and being sucked back into the darkness and disgusting. It is only through staying in God's will and away from the things that tempt us (like an alcoholic avoiding the bar). The so called "pastor" who planned this should have been immediately removed off the STAGE as well as the stripper!
the Stronger Men's website doesn't specify what the Friday entertainment will be, So Driscoll may not have known what the entertainment was going to be. the gospel is not meant to be entertaining. it is meant to bring us to repentance.
And I would add that it is meant to be celebrated which brings glory to God. 😊
Just because a gathering calls itself church doesn't make it so.
I usually don't catch lives. But I'm glad I did. I found Jesus in 2019. I was pagan. I received Him in August. My husband left me in September. He had to new girlfriend he lived with in December. Today, he is home and a born again man of God. Our children have witnessed God's goodness. All because I trusted Jesus in His seriousness of marriage and unconditional agape love.
I'm very passionate about marriage. If the church had stood against divorce years ago we wouldn't see much of the wickedness we see today. I don't blame the deceived sinner. I believe generations not putting God's Word and family first.
Agreed. If scripture regarding divorce is ignored, then why not ignore scripture about homosexuality. It’s a slippery slope and we’re already there.
Agree except in cases of abuse, scripture is pretty clear about abuse and if the abuser won’t repent the spouse doesn’t have to stay to be destroyed. Also if children are being abused then they should be protected. Some marriages can be saved, some can’t, we are not robots and must seek God for each situation, knowing that we will stand before Him and give an account.
Yeah he's told Mark don't touch his anointed. I highly doubt he's anointed if he's going to allow such degradation and perversion in his church. He's just using that scripture out of context
This creeps me out that lindell would have even allowed us in his church
Benny Hinn has used that same threat against people who have tried to expose him. True anointed teachers of the Word don’t say such things about themselves, threatening others not to oppose them, because they don’t need to.
One of my questions in getting to know a woman to possibly court would be "do you watch the Bachelor or Bachelorette show?" If so, it would be a no to dating, and I would suggest a 3 year detox from such shows. These shows corrupt the mind in regards to relationships.
That’s honestly ridiculous. I watched every season of that show for many years and found a Godly husband. lol it’s (garbage) entertainment, people aren’t actually looking to these people for authentic relationship advice.
@@HansenMoments What does your husband think of these type of shows? Does he watch them too? Has he been a big fan of these type shows? Does your husband think that woman who watch these "garbage" shows are Godly? Did he know that you watched these type of shows when you were dating? Was he all for you watching these type shows? Garbage in, garbage out. You may have found a Godly man, but at the time you were immersed in such "garbage" shows, did he find a Godly woman? You're ridiculous to think that watching these type of shows don't effect a person worldview.
SERIOUSLY!! I can't believe she even watches it, but THEN to be SHOCKED that it didn't last and wonder IF any of it was REAL?!
LOL! WHAT THE HECK??!!!! I'm STUNNED!
Notice how whenever cowards like Lindell get called out for error they run to Matthew 18 but always seem to forget the altercation between Paul and Peter in Galatians 2? Matthew 18 is sin between two individuals but public sin in a public setting equals public rebuke, hence Galatians 2. In situations like this Matthew 18 is simply used to obfuscate, virtue signal, and or self-righteously condemn others when it really should be the speaker being condemned for their actions.
_Do not reprove a scoffer, or he will hate you; reprove a wise man, and he will love you_ says Proverbs 8. I think we can safety rule at the latter here for lindell.
What do you do that is heroic ?
Yes he sure did reprimand him to his face.
It's a growing issue in the church, in my humble opinion, Christians making excuses for sin and ungodliness.
You have a problem with stripping? "Are you bound by a religion of works?" 😮💨
Well said
Or ALLLLL the times JESUS read the pharisees the riot act. He was CONSTANTLY calling them out.
Lindell is satanic
Mark was spot on. What he said was true to the core. What were the organizers of the conference thinking?
Having gone through a horrible divorce I just want Christians to know that legally I couldn't say it was abuse. I could only say "irreconcilable differences." I had pastors involved & years of counseling. I believe in marriage covenant & it's torn me apart. His porn addiction & mental emotional & financial abuse was not allowed to be discussed. There's a book about the statistics 41% of divorces are life saving. All the women in my divorce care have stories that would make you cry. We can't talk about it outside our circle in many ways. Christians don't want to know the truth. It's heartbreaking. Thankfully I was in a church where the pastors walked with us & were for us but saw the abuse over time and in love put church discipline into action.
The Bible warns against creating the "appearance of evil", and I believe such a warning was applicable in this case. It is also insulting to think that Christian men, many of whom were most likely struggling with addictions and other issues, would want or need to watch a shirtless dude shoving a piece of metal down his gut. Just as nothing good comes from hanging out with a bunch of drunks, nothing good comes from being around a stage and a poll. The producers of this event should have discerned this problem and had better reconsider their motivations and actions...
I thought this same thing. As a woman, I can't pretend to know what being a man is like, but have heard enough to be concerned that there were vulnerable and struggling men in that audience who were psychologically and sexually bothered by that display. Shameful. The ones who hired and allowed that performance should be apologizing.
Allie's monologue on divorce was 🔥. Most people today should be laughed out of the friggin' courtroom for the "reasons" they have to split up. I am SICK of adults acting like children while simultaneously not thinking of their children in the wake of their decisions.
Lindell doubled down on his stance in his sermon on Wednesday night. The Assemblies of God needs to stripe Lindell of his credentials.
I would say even leaving out the Driscoll factor, that entertainment has no place in a church or even a church event.
As someone who attended Mars Hill as a teenager/early 20s, I genuinely believe Mark was not putting on any sort of show. This is the way he is/always been. Can he go “overboard” at times? Yes. But in my opinion, Allie “read the room” well. 👌 what he said lines up with everything he said before.
Mark was genuinely grieved.
Allie, I saw a teacher the other day with a shirt that had "SELF LOVE CLUB" in BIG letters. I should get her a "Self Love Won't Save You" shirt 😁
Justin Peters and Jon Root have a very clear and biblically sound rebuke of Lindell, his church and Mark Driscoll.
Yes, it was very informative and well done.
I truly pray that eyes are opened to this nonsense.
HOLY COW ALLIE 😂 Driscoll is a FRAUD!!!!!! HAVEN'T YOU SEEN WHAT JUSTIN PETERS SAYS ABOUT HIM 😮 ? HAPPY CLAPPY EVANGELICALS real Christians ❤
Is it here in RUclips?
@@amandabarnard5946 yes. Search Justin Peters Mark Driscoll
I have spent the last six months reviewing all things Mark Driscoll for myself. Even if there might be better ways to say some things, sometimes.... I find him to be a flawed man, yes, but one serving a holy God whom he loves with all his heart and boldly proclaiming His Word like more American (wimpy!) pastors should! I feel people - who have NOT invested HOURS into analyzing his sermons, etc. - have and are making uninformed judgments, specifically the kind we are called not to do in Scripture. He publicly called out a public display. Had he not done it as he did, it would have communicated his acceptance of the entertainment. I say good job, Mark, Well needed and well done!
My mother continually subjected herself, my brothers & me to an abuser, because she didn't want the social stigma of a divorce! That deserves to be stigmatised! If you want to be with an abuser, that's on you! You do NOT have the right to inflict it on your children!
How far does abuse have to go before a woman is right to leave with her children? Obviously child sa and physical violence, but what do you think about emotional/ verbal/ mental/ controlling abuse? Just curious what your take as a survivor is
What do you mean with abuse?would you highlight the Bible verse in which Christ says, you can divorce if you are being abused?
You’re mother wasn’t the one dishonoring her vows, it was your father. Place the blame where it rightly belongs. Your father was the one who needed to change so stop victim blaming. That is the problem with people. Place the blame on the rightful owner: your father.
To be clear, I don’t think women should stay in physically abusive marriages. Not at all. But many times what I hear from kids is anger at the mom for not leaving instead of at the dad who abused and terrorized his entire family. It’s hard for women when they are abused because we are physically and spiritually weaker. The natural order is God over man, man over woman, and woman over child. It’s not “woman over man to protect child from man” a little compassion for abused women from their own kids would be nice.
@Noname11364 I do blame him but a mother should still protect her children. I know it's complicated & there is a lack of resources for women wanting to leave.
@@delphoeneevenhuis5199 yes and no, a father is supposed to protect his wife, so that his wife can love and nurture her children. A man is supposed to protect women and then women protect children. When that doesn’t happen, it is very hard for women to do their job. The sooner people realize this, the better.
Actually when leaders are in sin they are to be publicly addressed per 1 Tim 5:19
I live in a low income predominantly minority neighborhood in a major city and most dogs I see here are pitbulls which is part of the reason why I have my CCP and I never leave my apt without my piece
"He ascends up the pole and he swallows the sword." 😆 What has happened to the church?...🤦🏻♀️
That's ridiculous that Driscoll would know every detail of the conference. You're right.
I hate seeing Mark back down to what his righteous anger led him to do.
I completely back Mark in calling it out on stage at the conference. It needed to be addressed in my opinion. It was completely out of line and needed to be publicly rebuked. I thought he was pretty respectful in the way he did it. It seems like the host was too prideful to receive correction.
If mark didnt call it out he could of been accused of approving the act. I could see the act going viral and people calling out the speakers that were apart of it and didn’t say anything. Mark is a well know preacher that has a lot of people that listen to him. He has the big responsibility of a teacher and he needed to set it straight. Shame of the host for handling it poorly and not showing humility in the rebuke and owning up to the bad call. He should have walked up there and said Mark was right and apologized for the lack of judgement that was exercised.
I don't know what caused his fall from grace at Mars Hill, but Mark Driscoll was an amazing teacher while we were there. He helped me, a very worldly non Christian at the time, learn the truth of Jesus. I'm thankful for him. The Mars Hill stuff happened after we moved away from Seattle in 2007.
I heard this podcast about it
ruclips.net/video/4Cou36nSmJY/видео.htmlsi=n1Awk0zVrTImk0d5
Was so he isn't a good teacher anymore?
Mark Driscoll is RESTORED now. He is living a godly life with his family and Teaching effectively at Church in ArizonA
@jcenterprisesjc No, I'm just not familiar with his current ministry, so I can't speak to it.
Look up podcast rise and fall of Mars hill
I’m actually surprised that Allie find the bachelor “game show” entertaining. I watched the first season and came away with the sense that that show makes a mockery out of marriage. I don’t see how God is glorified when we use a sacred covenant like marriage and reduce it to a game.
I really don’t know what to make of this. She seems so black and white on every issue. This doesn’t add up! The Bachellor’s whole concept is anti biblical. What’s going on Allie!
@@lynnvargas8938 Maybe she was just commenting on what she heard about it. I never even heard of the Golden bachelor.
HOLY COW ALLIE 😂 Driscoll is a FRAUD!!!!!! HAVEN'T YOU SEEN WHAT JUSTIN PETERS SAYS ABOUT HIM 😮 ? HAPPY CLAPPY EVANGELICALS real Christians ❤
Exactly.
@@solochristo65 actually this isn’t the fist time she talked excitedly about the show
Noooo
This needed to be done exactly the way he did it
The men that were there needed to hear this
And
The way Lindell handled this SPEAKS VOLUMES #shamefull
Had a friend bit by a pit bull a couple years ago walking through a parking lot. Not only was it medically awful but also took several years in the court system to receive justice because of the owner!
Thank you Allie for explaining (Mark Driscol) this situation. You have such wisdom and grace with your words.
This is why we are already in the beginning stages of what was revealed in Revelations
Yes, Allie...I am a member at Grace Community Church and the teaching is absolutely focused on Scripture verse by verse in context exegesis...Soli Deo Gloria
The church should be scripture the spurit inspired written & po e oil ven testimonies of the Apostles & Prophets
I believe you have to be present to know what the spirit is in a situation. I was at a Christian concert where I was uncomfortable, got up & left.
Later I found out some things about the group that confirmed my feelings.
I hadn’t heard of either one of these so called pastors until this happened. And I don’t want to know anything more about them either!
I don’t care if he had on an overcoat or whatever, to me, it’s not about him taking off his shirt. They had boxing there too and they didn’t have on shirts. This is disgusting behavior to have any of this at a men’s conference. It wasn’t a guy’s night out on the town! The title was a Men’s Stronger Conference, this just shows weak men who want to just play games and be entertained with the flesh and not of the Spirit! And don’t forget to talk about how Pastor Mark Driscoll went back and APOLOGIZED for saying what he did!! He was so concerned about how he hurt other men there with what he said But he wasn’t concerned about hurting My Lord And Savior Jesus Christ by taking back what he said to rebuke this “entertainment!!” So to me, Mark Driscoll just went back to the mud and started wallowing with the pigs!! I don’t care what others say about me but I will stand for my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who died for all the sins of the world, even for everything they did at that conference! Yes I’m mad! The Lord says we have a right to be mad at times. Be ye angry and sin not!! Ephesians 4:26. King James Version. 26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath. 30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. I think with all my heart that this has grieved the Holy Spirit!!
They had monster trucks and boxing too. Maybe even more‘entertainment’ than what I’ve seen.
It was disrespectful to The Word Of God And to The Holy Spirit!!
If they wanted to call it, The James River Men’s Night Out, I might have a different response.
But for this being a Church’s Men’s Conference, they are supposed to be representing the Lord Jesus and not playing with the devil. What about this was to make men stronger??
Maybe in the flesh but Not in the Spirit!!
Allie- you have changed my mind about a lot of things… 1 of them being is pitbulls. I’m a dog trainer and have worked with sweet pitbulls… and ones that have truly scared me. I had 1 in a class (hindsight is 20/20- should have made arrangements to work privately, but didn’t) and I had to put up a fence (not 1 that would contain her)… just to block visual of me and the other people/dogs in my class. 6 weeks of class I still couldn’t approach her or her owner! I left the things that I give out in classes on a chair and would have him go pick them up when I was far enough away. It was very scary.
Can we bring back pastors just wearing basic dress pants and button ups? I don’t understand the need to look like the world so they can appeal to the world. I’m not saying jeans and shirts are worldly but the need to wear expensive clothing and name brand shoes feels worldly.
I applaud you for telling the truth about this whole situation, Allie!
We can always trust you to tell the truth! Thank You!
I laughed out loud when Allie said "what?" in response to the Dr. Seuss quote....... on a serious note....completely agree that society now has gone completely crazy, basically. We need to keep praying for America ..and just that all of us as believers in Jesus Christ will stay faithful....
I used to be an adamant pit-bull apologist…until I owned a pit-bull. Never again.
😮 what happened?
I worked in home hospice for some years and one home had a pit bull that belonged to the home owner’s daughter. This dog was always very friendly towards me and showed no aggression. One day UPS showed up and this dog turned into something I didn’t recognize. I have no doubt if this dog had gotten loose, she 100% would have attacked the delivery man. I was scared and was afraid, from then on, but never tried to show it. They are very unpredictable.
I love how John McCarthur preaches! We should be looking for sound doctrine! We should be looking for a church that glorifies God, if the church looks like the world then you shouldn’t be there!
I’ve been waiting for you to make a video on the Driscoll situation!!
I've never once heard of a chihuahua ripping someone's face off. I have, however, heard of pitbulls doing it over and over and over and over again. They are dangerous, no matter how well they're cared for or how responsibly they're trained. They're not meant to be family pets.
What does that tell you about the men at that church?!!!
I'm so old that I was pregnant with my second child when I watched Trista and Ryan's wedding. I don't watch stuff like that at this point. I have no clue what's going on in pop culture anymore.
Same. Dare I say I am relieved that I don't know the pop gossip either. It has me feeling much lighter these days.
So not on topic but can I say that I actually feel like you are relatable!? I mean, the whole thing, the way you talk like we're friends lol and the way you just look super casual and laid back, as most of us moms look 90% of the time, all the way down to the lightly done makeup. I just want to say thank you, for truly being relatable!
good to point out your experience as a speaker and the not knowing what all goes on at the event. People often go and don't maybe think much about how giant these things are and all that goes into them. Not everyone knows everything. But when you do become aware as Lindell did you absolutely are fairly judged for knowing what you ARE aware of.
- Chows, are a breed of dog, any stranger needs to keep from just stepping towards whatsoever and even more than that to a Pit Bull
I got bitten on my chin by a chow when I was a kid. I will not go near one again, they are crazy.
I got bit by my ex in-law's chow after I fed it a hotdog. It took a chunk out of my arm. Not a fan of chows or pit bulls.
Our flesh sure loves our entertainment. The gloves go on when you dare challenge the music in a church, the movies, i.e. the Chosen, or men licking and swallowing swords and muscle cars. God help us. Time for us all to sober up and subdue our flesh. We are in what looks like the very end of the age.
I was escorted out of 'church' for questioning movie night. Forbidden to come back. It wasn't a true church and all the pastor wanted was power, control and money. Bye!
@@danilaroche1156 Oh dear sister, that happened to me many years ago at a church. It was very painful, as I was on the worship team and thought I had a relationship with the “pastor” and the people, but when I questioned the pastor about some very questionable things, he said he would consider and get back to me, only to get home right after that meeting and have a message that said, thank you for your service here to the church, and I know God will use your giftings elsewhere. 😳🤣 I can only laugh now Sister because it was God’s way of getting me out of there! I hope your heart’s been healed and that you’re still fighting a good fight. Love you sis!✝️🫂🌷🍃❤️
My husband and i have been earnestly trying to understand this for a few days now.
With that being said, the Bible has a lot to say, but I'll just include one because it's the utmost important one I feel. , 1 Thessalonians 5:22 says, "Abstain from all appearances of evil".
Why do we even question that?
So he starts a fire, then profusely apologizes two seconds later, then chastises people in the audience who then start getting riled up at his initiation…?? Right…
We owned 3 American bulldogs which gets classified under pit bulls. From our experience with them and what we've learned from a local dog rescue facility the aggression and dangerous behavior stem from training, raising and breeding. It's not the original intentions from some breeders of some pit bull breeds (there are several breeds in this classification) but current breeding practices. Sometimes dogs are still bred for illegal dogfighting. But also overbreeding causes physical and behavioral issues. Our bullies were deaf and had other health issues. Puppy mills are a major concern but also that nice family down the street that breeds and sells puppies as a side business. When I was younger dobermans and rottweilers were the dangerous dogs. When I was 10, a German Shepherd bit me. I didn't know he was there and he was surprised to see me. When my kids were teens dobermans in our neighborhood were quite scary. Turned out the dogs were guarding what the police called a crack house. My dalmatian would aggressively protect me while I napped, even to bite. My point is it's not the dog breed, it's the dog breeding. And any dog may ferociously protect their human even from that human's family. There needs to be regulations enforced about breeding and owning pets. Be very careful where you get your pets and take care of them. If a dog is dangerous it should be put down - regardless of the breed.
Well said. Thank you for being a voice of reason and calm; I agree with you completely.
I have a lot of respect for Mark Driscoll. I began to follow him on RUclips in recent months.
I can only speak for myself but l have learnt a lot from Pastor Furtick's sermons. He is a scholar of the Word and gives amazing insight. I don't see his services as "entertainment". His worship team sing contemporary songs with a rock undercurrent, yes, but so do other churches. And Elevation Worship have won Billboard awards and a grammy. "The Blessing" was the Christian anthem of the pandemic in 2020. I do agree that Pastor Stephen needs to readdress his wardrobe choice though. Mike Todd is a gifted pastor but l pray for him to have revelation and leave that mindset of "entertainment" church and flashy dressing. God bless you all from Germany.❤
I would love to see Mark Driscoll on your podcast! Now that would be an episode!
I'm trying to understand this based on what Mark Drisco turned this into .what I seen here was good old 🎪 entertainment. I don't know if it has any Christian value to it.or was it supposed to have some profound message to it ??and I can't help but wonder if Mark Drisco didn't know what would be the order or the lineup of performance that Night!??
Churches like she described are so incredibly selfish. It’s not supposed to be a concert. Or a movie. So blessed to be a Catholic where Christ is front and center. Receiving the Eucharist is the highlight of our week. ❤
I left Protestant churches for the Catholic church. My baby was baptized there at 6 weeks old. I'm also on track to my own baptism and confirmation.
@@Ana_Cecilia615 congratulations! I was born Catholic and married one in the church. We have 4 kiddos who are just like us.
@@emileekadell7266 Please explain how someone is born a Catholic? Is it not a personal decision you make for yourself?
How much scripture do you read? Do you pray to Mary and "saints?" Because the Catholic Church is a false religion based on works and idolatry. My husband grew up in the church and he is biblically ignorant. I have to teach him things I learned as a CHILD in the protestant church.
@@Ana_Cecilia615your baby isn't saved by baptism. We all must choose Christ ourselves.
IF this was a stunt that Mark was pulling, then there is NO WAY he would have backtracked. All the credibility he gained by calling out that vile desecration, went out the window when he apologized and then went on stage as they kissed each other's feet.
But that shows the power of that Jezebel Spirit. He's one of the FEW that has the stones to call it out, but he does it within HIS church. He went into a church that's submitted to Jezebel, so it's a much stronger force, and like Elijah, he crumbled. That's no condemnation on his part. People who haven't gone toe to toe with it, have NO IDEA just how powerful it is.
Elijah is without question THE quintessential prophet of the Old Testament and after he had his victorious face-off with Jezebel's prophets, all it took was a decree from her to get him running for the hills and despairing of life, even desiring to die. That story STUNS a lot of people. They just can't figure out how he could POSSIBLY do that. Instead of realizing it's a clear sign of just how dangerous and overwhelming that spirit can be, they just mock him, as if ANYONE could hold a candle to Elijah.
Allie, you are 💯 right about the entire conference situation!!
Gross and bizarre. MD is correct about this, however, MD doesn’t have credit, l went to Mars Hill in the mid-90s. I don’t say this lightly, and it has taken me years to accept it myself given the fact that l came back to the Lord because Mars Hill church existed. I have firsthand knowledge of MD’s pride, greed, and unaccountability. I have friends who were spiritually abused by him. Personally. I am not disparaging him. There has been no reckoning. More fodder for the world to hurl at Christians.
This makes me think of Paul. While I am not comparing Mark to be Paul like it makes me think of God redeeming someone's life and then how hard it was for the other apostles to trust him and take him serious. In scripture God even uses the unbeliever to accomplish his goals. In this case take what the two men are saying and hold them up to scripture, over this issue alone, and you will clearly see truth.
It was so awful to hear about how many were abused by MD in his churches where he was supposed to be a good shepherd who protected them. It feels ICK that he never repented, acknowledged his sin and how many he hurt by throwing them under the bus. Extra awful that he took off with God’s money and spent it on his family. If he had repented, it would be a different thing. But I’d be curious what God really feels about an unrepentant pastor who has swept his sins under the rug hoping that people will just forget. So sorry that happened to you and so many others. Hugs
I'm so sorry for your experience with Driscoll, but I'm grateful to see your comment. I wish more knew of his spiritual abuse and would mark and avoid him.
I do not trust pitbulls PERIOD. I get tired of people giving me a hard time for discussing how dangerous they are.
Allie, you should invite Mark Driscoll to be a guest on your show. It would be an interesting conversation.
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If he talked with the Host beforehand but didn't call it out publicly, then the public sin would be condoned by his silence. This was absolutely a time to call it out publicly. In fact, I think Mark should not have gone off stage so easily.
Justin Peters has a good talk on Mark Driscoll and what happened.
Yes!!!
Justin Peters has a serious ax to grind against MD. I watched a part of JPs commentary and the fact that he addressed MDs past more than the horrible performance rubbed me the wrong way.
It seems like these days, Peter’s life goal isn’t to share the gospel, but to condemn and take down Mark Driscoll.
Absolutely agree with Justin Peters.
MD is an unrepentant ‘shepherd’ who threw thousands of his flock under the bus and took off with his church’s money. Scary that he was never held accountable. And is now trusted to lead others. Those who follow him need to be careful who they blindly trust just cause he’s charismatic. He was back then too.
I know that Mark had a big fall from grace from Mars Hill (I went to that church for a bit back in the day). I do feel like he repented and has been redeemed. I stumbled acrossed him again the past couple of years because of marriage clips that popped into my Facebook feed. His message by the grace of God helped save my marriage and helped my husband understand what healthy families are from a Biblical perspective. I have no issue with what he did, and I appreciate that he didn’t become argumentative when Lindell told him to step down. We need to call this stuff out, period.
It was a homosexual performance. The act represented homosexual acts. And the stripper was a gay stripper. If he hadn't spoken out the audience would have thought it was all ok and that Driscoll approved. 😢
Enjoyed you’re program. One thing, the video quality seems to need more contrast. Be Blessed
Growing up our pastors were always extremely old and wore socks with sandals. It was never about their charisma nor the music. Guess the name of my Church.
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They usually have an accent.
Calvary Chapel?
@@danab.3531 Good guess but Calvary Chapel has good singers/music and their pastors vary in age.
Thank you for taking a stand again pit bulls. This is one of the most under-discussed important topics ever. Pit attacks are literally America’s silent epidemic
Right?! I loved my pit (she was staffordshire terrier)… but I wouldn’t trust a pit bull around my son or our pets. My husband has seen animals killed by pits in our neighborhood. The more I hear about pit attacks, I see the comment threads and it seems like everyone’s either witnessed or been involved with a pit bull attack… whether on human animal… it’s a problem. 😞
Allie, I'd like to hear what you think about the men that sat there and watched this debauchery. I'm heartbroken after watching this.
Omg i was confused most of the time hahaha so many things going on!! Why did i think you meant Pit-bull as in the singer haha