At the very least, being able to apply more warpaints to the Dragon's Fury would be nice. The big tube it's got is BEGGING for a war paint to be slapped onto it.
Meanwhile in Overwatch: “In order to break the latest competitive meta, our sequel will remove an entire player from both teams. Tell your sixth friend to sit on a cactus.”
Totally agree, and i dont get why the tf community has decided to say its our job to save it. Sure, we love the game, but this is a product. Valve is paid to keep it live, and its up to them ultimately to keep it live. Im so sick of the toxic positivity, as that will never get anything done to it. If you ask me, as a helldiver and tf2 player, the tf community ought to take a page out of our book. When movements like 'save tf2' happen, it just reinforces to valve that the games players will support this carcass no matter how long they leave it to rot
When people discuss Sniper balance they always forget the one thing that he has had since the beginning and they NEVER consider tweaking it. The Charge mechanic on sniper rifles is already a perfect method to nerfing his quickscope potential - just make it so shots under 30% or so charge don't do crits. No more quickscopes, people actually have to setup and plan ahead before sniping instead of running in guns ablaze. Whats more, is you could add that little laser everyone talks about. The dot sucks. too easy to miss. Make it a laser that increases in opacity the more its charged. You can setup a shot while being relatively hidden but as you keep a closer eye on targets their awareness of you increases. Whats EVEN MORE is add a "Sniper!" callout. How come the Spy gets a callout but the Sniper doesn't? Both are the assassin classes, and while there is plenty of counter play to Spy because fuck him in particular(?) there is no meaningful way to address a Sniper in his nest unless your teammates have more than two brain cells.
yeah that and the fact that sniper just does not make sense as a class. When all classes are short to mid ranged brawlers why do we need a long range instakill class? I am not saying that sniper should be removed but when looking at the other classes if their was one class that could be removed without messing up balance (to much) it would be sniper.
@@thefire5219 it makes sense that he is in the game , you need a class that is long range there is no other , the charge shot said be op is good actually i think at 50%-30% should be a 150 dmg mw it like 75 to quick scope it does stop alot of sniper v sniper also u could reduce the headshot hittbox but it also a nerf to spy kus amby
As a sniper player, I truly think just adding a fairly decently long reload, perhaps with a new reload animation over the garbage we have now would be incredibly balancing for the class, as well as less max ammo. I find that in most of my matches I forget I even have ammo in the first place as I can almost always shoot forever and by the time I take some sort of damage and go heal I get my ammo back too. 25 is just far too high, 12 or 10 would work better but it could be argued for slightly more.
And in turn, I think the darwins danger shield should have the -50% fire damage stat removed and make it only disable afterburn. Ive never quite used the razorback, but perhaps it could be changed into either less damage from shots hitting snipers back, instead of a backstab canceller, or maybe less melee damage taken on user. But who knows, I certainly dont.
its really not much of a difference between 12 and 10, I think 15 is a bit too much. 12 just seems like a reasonable amount between the 2@@phantomstriker7996
I don't think Dane is necessarily *wrong* in saying "Valve is 100% to blame for any 'bad' cosmetics/maps being added to TF2. They hold all the power. The workshop is a wide spectrum of talent, artistic integrity, and gameplay awareness. It's Valve's responsibility to sort through it and choose the appropriate content." In all honesty, I think he's completely right! But I think saying that "It's Valve's fault" and ending right there is kind of missing the point of the overall discussion surrounding community cosmetics. I feel like where we should have the goalpost is getting overall higher-quality stuff overall, rather than just begging Valve to do stuff for us. This can be achieved in a myriad of ways, but the first and most obvious way to get this done is of course having overall community review and going off the stats of how people rate items. ...which, if I'm not mistaken, are only viewable by the creator for cosmetics and war paints. For maps it's a bit of a different issue (level design is a lot harder than creating cosmetics, trust me). I don't believe I'd be mistaken in saying though that people would rather have things that the majority likes, rather than something that 5% of players will like.
What's so crucial about cosmetics is that they represent an imposition from one player unto *all others* on the server as themselves. With maps, you can just choose not to play on that map, but if someone turns up in game with horrific cosmetics that ruin the experience then what can one do? A tool that lets you target specific players to turn their cosmetics off, or a selecter that lets you pick cosmetic items and say "make those invisible for me" would help, but ultimately a solid layer of public review would go a mile towards eliminating problem items that 5% of players like, 10% tolerate, 20% dislike and 65% outright detest.
Hey glad I could make you have a meltdown mid-video Zesty! Now make sure to get back in your box and talk about why you think the Bazaar Bargain is the worst thing since rotten eggs ;)
You think Valve made the bot owners pay? They just prevented them from using free accounts, forcing them to use stolen accounts which is just as simple for the bot owners.
@@skarloeythomas5172 I think Zesty said in part 2 of nobody's home, that they steal giftcards to make premium accounts. Who are they technically stealing from at the end of the day?- I don't work retail but changes are they are stealing from the shop holding the physical cards so it's on the shop and/or insurance companies to cover the theft- not Valve. If there's a business around stolen credit cards being laundered to gift cards, Valve also profits from it. There's so many morally gray opportunities for Valve to turn this into profit, even accidentally.
If a youtuber has influence over you, like they say jump you say how high, you shouldn’t be on the internet. When I watch zesty and hear a take from him, I’ll either agree or disagree with it all depends on his argument. I should not be saying this kindergarten levels of lessons in a RUclips comment
@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 I don’t I think most of his followers don’t and I sense a bias dislike towards him but I hope you’ll prove me wrong rather than throw around insults
@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 you can say that about the confirmists, who like being part of the big group with the most socially acceptable opinion that will give you pats on the back for just saying the same thing everyone else does point still stands: think for yourself
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I wish Valve did a reprint for the overpriced strange weapons. The huntsman, kritzkrieg and gunslinger cost $80, $170 and $340 respectively. That's a lot for a kill counter. To preserve the rarity they could make the existing ones vintage, release the new ones as australium or make them paintable to apply a stat clock.
If anything, strangifiers already exist. Just add those for the huntsman etc, make them clearly distinctly "strangified" huntsmen as opposed to strange huntsmen, and you're good.
As the owner of several of those pricy stranges, I agree. Let the people who want to count kills do so for a sum that isn't absurd. Just turn the existing ones vintage or something, I don't know, so the pro traders don't cry too much.
What really confuses me about this admittedly extremely stupid competitive debate is that I don't think I've ever seen either side stop and ask themselves WHY competitive is so different from standard tf2 in the first place, things like no random crits and to an extent no random bullet spread are understandable, but things such as cutting the number of players in half and having only 5 cp maps seem completely and utterly unnecessary, I think the biggest mistake when it came to the completely failed competitive transition of tf2 was trying to balance weapons for both when the real answer all along was to make competitive more like casual
@@crack4184 I used to be proud of enjoying tf2 and being a fan(before MYM) now i can't even praise the lost soul and art style that set tf2 apart from other games. Call it homestock syndrome but i love tf2 enough to stay with it until the end. You are right btw and the sad part. PEOPLE CAN'T POINT AND EXPLAIN WHAT THEY LIKED ABOUT TF2. if tf2 was not released, most of them would be playing fortnite or your flavor of the month game... "Apathy is death. Worse than death, because at least a rotting corpse feeds the beasts and insects." -Kreia. But here is a white pill, we are old now, we found that others actually hold opinion i had for years. We no longer the silence "majority".
@@CoolSs Nothing to be ashamed about liking TF2, though. I hate the part of the community that argues all the time and says tf2 is the best. When you prove them they're wrong, they always say "Maybe but it's still the best multiplayer games of all times, even today! Look! I AM having a great time, which means you must have a great time too."
7:00 Counter argument Deep Rock Galactic, even when the season ends, all items are put into rng drops when exploring the caves, that way EVERYONE still has a chance to get the items. It's worked pretty well so far, although it's a game about working together and most of those items are cosmetics and not new weapons so there is a difference. If I had to give my own hot take, the Sydney sleeper is the most balance sniper rifle. Plus I like the new G.R.U though the eviction notice could've stayed the same before the Jungle Inferno update.
To be fair to DRG, it's monetized in a Pay2Play-Manner with a "No content gets wasted" policy that also doesn't allow any type of micromarket to grow out of it. This creates are more healthy way of getting cosmetics by actually earning them (random selection be damned for a moment) and people can buy more cosmetics if they wish to via DLCs. That being said, the unfortunate side-effect is that trying to get a specific cosmetic becomes harder and harder with each season released, since they're linked to random spawns that max out around 22% for a Max-Complexity cave, which may take around an hour to finish if played...normally, I guess? Similar issues with Overclock-Cosmetics, but at least for that there are ways to work around this and expect a consistent stream of new OCs. Still a way better system than just making certain cosmetics just outright unreasonable to gain or unobtainable, tho. Nothing interesting to say regarding the TF2 Takes on my end lol
And that practice of adding previous seasons’ items to the random loot table has resulted in a massively bloated item list that takes forever to get through as a new player. Not saying previous seasons’ content shouldn’t be preserved, but idk if deep rock is a shining example of how to do it right.
@@Hotomato I wanna be fair tho and say that this solution is still better than the general norm when it comes to this type of content. Like, at least there *is* an option to grind cosmetics over a period of time. There will be a point where increasing the methods of earning additional cosmetics needs to be increased, as well as additional ways of being able to choose what cosmetics you want or not (similar to Machine-Events and Overclocks since a similar but more important issue existed there as well, given OCs affect gameplay). Ultimately tho, one could argue that some of the cosmetics could be moved towards the normal ingame-shop if that isn't done already. A part of me still likes the idea of being able to find cosmetics on random runs; something fun to look forward to if you don't search for some specific cosmetic.
I haven't played the game in a while, so please clarify for me if there is a chance to get a cosmetic you already have or not and if you get extra game currency for it. If so, they should change it so there's a guarantee that if you did get a cosmetic, it won't be one you already have. Just imo.
8:21 I actually wholeheartedly agree with this. It's significantly easier for people to subconsciously be swayed by someone merely expressing an opinion than you might think. In my opinion, forming your own opinion rather than absorbing one you're exposed to is a skill that has to be learned and practiced over time, whereas if it was something we were all inherently capable of, it'd be a lot harder to spread misinformation, conspiracy theories, extreme political or religious views, prejudice, dumb internet trends, and other things that thrive on a lack of critical thinking than it currently is. It also certainly doesn't help if you're like me and don't play the game enough to have a grasp on various aspects of the game and have to rely on secondary sources (namely content creators) to fill in those knowledge gaps 43:57 "Maining a class" doesn't mean "exclusively playing one class unless forced to play another". Most people will be more drawn to a select few classes because they facilitate playstyles they like, but that doesn't mean everything else is off the table; this applies to just about any game with multiple characters or playstyles. Obviously playing a wider variety is good because you experience more of the game's content and it gives you valuable experience, but maining is still a natural thing to do and serves a good purpose
The church of unclesoundpurpledane has done more damage to this game then most normies realize, these 3 have to realize how much toxicity there fanbases spew out on a daily basis right? Oh and god forbid you say anything slightly negative about them.
exactly. in the heat of the moment, the idea of giving the keys to a new dev sounds good until you look at the many games that were destroyed once they were given to new devs that simply didnt understand the intricacies of the game or in 343s case, thought they could “do better” and burned a ticket for limitless money.
@@darthgamer9861 Honestly, aside from indie devs, I can think of no studios, developers or other corporate entities that put art before profit like Bungie did. They were (RIP old Bungie...) one of the last standouts from before gaming became profitable, and I shudder to think we will never see the kind of art they produced ever again on a scale greater than what a dozen or fewer people can complete. Profit kills art. Profit kills the planet. Profit kills us. We need to get rid of it before it gets rid of us.
I know how to balance the Kunai: So basically, you add a bar and if you get a backstab, it depletes the bar but however large the bar was, the more health you get. The bar can be passively recharged or using the revolver will help recharge.
Kunai balance- Every backstab drains the health gain bar but once that runs out you start using your cloak meter instead, if you run out of cloak you no longer get any health on kill. Also for that revolver thing probably should have it be the le'trange or the enforcer because having it damage based means a diamond back or ambassador spy would basically still be what he is now.
I think that the overheal should be granted over time. like, if you get a good backstab, you should still get that same 210 health. But, if you were to take damage (say, a stray minigun bullet) your overheal would stop at wherever it was at. It would make kunai spy chain stabbings more managable, as it would prevent you from having to send a sniper quick scope, a frontier justice crit, 4 rockets, and 4 pipes to kill one spy.
One Spy change I thought of that would somewhat nerf the Kunai is to add a stat to the Dead Ringer that causes you to lose all your over-heal upon activation.
Finally someone said it about the Direct Hit. LP really gave it a reputation as an anti-scout gun, but it really isn't warranted. As the titles of his videos suggest, he's a very emotionally driven player, and I'll agree with him, landing a Direct Hit on a Scout is deeply satisfying as a Soldier. It's also terribly frustrating as a Scout. However, at the end of the day, rocket+panic will kill faster and more reliably than the Direct Hit, and as a Scout as unfun as it is to fight the DH soldier, once they whiff a rocket, I've basically won, without losing a sliver of health.
also maps can be made heavy dominated if they are too close quartered, but this usually never happens because people build maps that enable rocket jumpers Single control point maps are good maps because they allow areas to change team control to prevent any class from dominating, exceptions of huntsman sniper hitbox BS (scout) and darwins danger shield BS (pyro).
@@simplysmiley4670 for vanilla tf2 (not uncletopia) all classes work for single point maps, no single class is trash, and no single class is dominant. Sure, some may be better than others at times, but you can play anything you want to.
I generally find that most TF2bers act extraordinarily differently to actual players in game. They're very whitewashed, very "silly" and whimsical, all use Twitter, try to make out that this game has a very comforting and accepting community. They act very positive, but deep down, they're just as toxic as they claim not to be, people like Shork, Soundsmith, etc. They're allowed to just get away with it, as long as they take the moral high ground. Something about that just urks me the wrong way, they act like they're mightier than all, because they have a "platform" They're better than us normal casual players, who I guess are all just racist, evil people for exercising non-consequential harmless free speech. Zesty is the only TF2ber who's just a normal, honest guy, with opinions. He gets hate for it, but he deals with it very well. He's strong and doesn't give in. Normal RUclipsrs would BOW DOWN and BEG to their KNEES for forgiveness over their own genuine opinions, but Zesty stands up for himself. I'm thankful for a TF2ber like Zesty, compared to people who wear a faulty fake mask, covered in tape.
Sometimes I forget about what Zesty was talking because of the clips. In one clip he butterknife'd soldier and pyro with one hit each, soldier blew him self up whilet running and shooting at dancing soldier and demo. Btw my take is that Big Joey should bring Slap Nuts back in his nickname
You forgot to mention that the Direct Hit is almost always worse for advanced rocket jumping because of its projectile speed. Not that you can't get good with it, but it messes with your muscle memory so bad compared to the other launchers, even the Liberty Launcher.
That's similar to the issues with the Loch n load, theoretically the faster projectile speed is a buff that allows longer range hits, however in practice it acts either as a side grade or nerf due to how much it messes with your muscle memory.
I'm glad that all the shit you got for just expressing your thoughts didn't change your values for the sake of complying with the masses. Respect. Have a great year Zesty
Hot take: Creators should start using RUclips's community tab for video idea posts because there's a large segment of us that just don't use the emotional cesspool that is twitter.
11:05 I don't know bout other TF2ubers but believe me I could be negative bout the game and talk about it. I have no fear of being open about this bullshit. Why though? What is there to say that isn't already blatantly obvious? 1 Dev, bots everywhere, yeah games shit. The entire community has been an echo chamber of the same grievances they have with Valve since 2017. There is nothing I could announce that hasn't already been repeated 100 times already so I don't bother. I don't need to "inform" the community about the bullshit. It's constantly thrown in their face everytime they play the game.
I was discussing Counter-Strike, TF2, Overwatch and Valorant with a friend of mine, while having this video on the background, and somehow we often bringed TF2 when discussing all of these games. It is really awesome how often the gameplay changes here! From Soldier to Spy to Heavy and so on! brb gonna rewatch it thoroughly this time!
For rare items to be re-added, I suggest making them drop from the item drop system but a little bit more rare than before, and or adding them to the mvm drop system as season base drops.
Hey Zesty, great video as always. I remember you talk on one of your streams about background footage, and man, that's some of the best Team Fortress 2 gameplay I've seen. It really goes a long way to serve the video
I wonder if nerfing the Kunai's overheal depletion rate to be the same as a Medic could be a good nerf. You're still rewarded but you have to act quickly to benefit from the bonus health and otherwise you'll more quickly return to your more vulnerable base form
I think this video could be a spring board for some more discussions in their own videos. Such as the "Random crits should be completely random" comment could be a video on how that could be implemented in a server etc.
@@Fatsaver pomson (and bison) just needs to be reverted to the old projectile system, used to be so much fun, and the new system is just horribly unsatisfying to use
@@bullhammer59 Yes but because Pyro won the update and Valve ''fixed'' flame particles (bison and pomson used that before) i don't even think Valve could revert them back even if they wanted.
The hardest part about me playing overwatch with friends is that the healers have no feeling to them, and the few characters i enjoy playing are essentially all C-D tier meta picks, so you just get out meta’d and your team loses because you wanted to have fun. In tf2, you win by playing what you like, which is almost the antithesis of overwatch
@24:06 "Likely the biggest reason for the Cow Mangler's ban is one-tapping Scouts peeking a choke with the charge shot, and god forbid we have anything that makes Scout anything other than overly oppressive." *_AMEN._* The absolute simping for Scout in 6v6 like he's the next coming of Melee Fox is precisely why I gave up on competitive in general, as if the removal of random bullet spread, one of the *_very few_* limiting factors of the class, wasn't already bad enough as it is; TF2's core balance barely hangs on with the thinnest of threads to begin with, as evidenced with Sniper's quickscoping and Medic's crossbow to a slightly less oppressive extent, and these community choices only make it come apart at the seams -- especially when the only way to play the game now is through said community. Also, yes, the game needs team scramble back badly; not autobalance, *_TEAM scramble._*
The take about the current state of TF2 hit me like a brick. For a long time I have been parroting this idea that yeah, TF2 doesn't need Valve, the community is better at managing TF2 than Valve, and the content they create is more important than the content that Valve creates. But a number of community servers I used to play on went to shit recently with bad staff, most of the fan projects have either had dwindling playerbases that only get replenished when an occasional video about them goes viral, and now they're getting slapped with DMCAs. The only thing that I even have a sliver of positive feelings towards is the custom games. I know you hate them, but to me they hearken back to the days when Valve would add a new item and everyone would be running around trying it out, it may not have been balanced, but nobody cared! The game was really badly balanced in general back then, like, what's a little more bad balance gonna do to the game huh? Unless something was truly centralizing or gamebreaking. Nobody really cared that degreaser+axtinguisher was basically demoknight but somehow even more braindead, people loved it.
what I’m tired of is the blatantly false narrative that Valve is still the old Valve that cares about their community or making games. I’m also very physically sick of whenever Valve DMCA’s a fan game people pull out all the defenses that when used for Nintendo or Sega or anyone else they get rightfully shot down. People need to stop making excuses for Valve.
The reason why competitive sucks is because meet your match was a crap update. This wasn’t due to the concept being crap; but rather because it was handled like my penis when I realized I had a testicular torsion
The gas passer only works in a really fucking weird way that I've noticed. Firstly, thinking about the gas passer: Does it MATTER if you've been gassed? No, not at all. If you really think about it, you'll probably be lit on fire anyways if the pyro just threw a gas passer: They're almost definitely still around. That said, its a debuff that people avoid. So you can throw down your big stinky shit gas cloud that does effectively nothing, and people still avoid it like the plague because "OUUGHH, BIG EVIL NONO DEBUFF ZONE". That said its still the worst weapon in the entire game and nothing even compares, but I find it funny how you can make people avoid a general area for 5 seconds despite the debuff being meaningless to 8/9 classes, and only slightly annoying to an enemy pyro.
I’m at the part where you’re talking about how sniper’s limiting factors are too easily overcome by skill. I think a neat change that could be made alongside some numerical tweaks would be making sniper take minicrits for 2~3ish seconds upon scoping in. This would encourage snipers to charge up their shots more often from behind cover, slowing down their kill rate, as well as making the act of entering scope itself a weighted decision with downsides that can’t be overcome by just aiming better. Additionally, since minicrits remove damage falloff, the enemy will have an easier time fighting back against a sniper that’s going too fast. Plus, sniper can have spy-like moments of bad luck where they scope in at a bad time and get obliterated, which can be funny and gives tf2’s two ‘assassin’ classes a shared identity in that sense.
What if the Pomson functioned exactly like the Righteous Bison (fast reload, penetrating projectile, same damage, etc), but instead of the cloak/uber draining stuff, it just caused spies to have an electrified effect similar to the visuals of afterburn that'd be visible while cloaked? It's not negating the Spy's skill because he has to get hit by the Engineer for it to apply, which means he either approached through spam or got caught and is retreating, but it rewards the Engineer for hitting the Spy by making it easier to track him down and finish him off.
My hottakes: - The Candy Cane is the scout's worst melee weapon. A small healthpack is not as much as people think, over 95% of the games someone joins will have soldiers and demomen, and 25% vulnerability to them is a lot. What makes a weapon isn't just that it's upsides are useless, it's also that it's downsides worsen gameplay. The upsides of the Sun-on-a-Stick might be weird and are almost never useful but it's not like it's downsides are crippling like the Candy Cane's. - Despite what you (@ZestyJesus) said in your reaction to Grouch's awful rebalance video, yes, the Jag is too strong. It's downsides of doing less damage against sappers or not repairing buildings as much in a single hit is completely negated by the faster swing speed. I don't care about defenses used like muh "burst healing" with the default wrench, that doesn't matter as much as you think. What matters is that the amount of time it takes to heal a building or remove a sapper is not negatively affect when using the jag. - The Gloves of Running Urgently were also not ruined the Jungle Inferno update despite how much babies said it was, nor do I think the decision was influenced by comp-fags. People do this exact same shit every time a blatantly unbalanced item, such as the Dead Ringer, gets reworked. Yes, the GRU isn't as good as for getting to the frontlines as they used to be but they're now better for repositioning and running away. - The Boston Basher is overrated by the competitive community and is only good for building uber. I honestly want you ask yourself how the scout's melees work and are used. They do less damage per swing but swing faster, and scouts often just press W while holding down left-click, which means missing a lot and the self-inflicted bleed upon miss is absolutely painful on a class with 125 health. - It's understandable why the 6v6 meta is the way it is and why competitive players don't want to shake it up too much. Certain classes with unlockable item can fuck up the flow of a match while others are too weak. If heavies had the same mobility as their teammates or if engineers could get their stuff set up in a short amount of time, they'd be cancerous to fight against in 6v6. It would be like the Overwatch GOATs meta. - 5CP is almost as bad as Capture the Flag as a gamemode. Most of the maps are clearly designed for 6v6 competitive which doesn't bode well in 12v12 casual. The soldier and scout often have stupid advantages thanks to the map design that heavily favors them because, again, they're designed for competitive where slower classes like the heavy and engineer are rarely ever played except when defending the last point. - Weapons like the Spycicle and the Razor Back are fundamentally bad design. Having an item with the sole purpose of countering one class is 7 different levels of retarded, and Valve should've never added them in to begin with. - Sniper, as a class, fucks up the fundamental balance in TF2. Having a truly long-ranged class in a came where every else is effective at medium to close range is flat-out bad game design. Any other class can be properly punished by the enemy for fucking up except the sniper because they'll often be too far away do to something about them. His weakness of close range combat also doesn't matter because, again, he'll often be too far away for a non-sniper to do anything about it. There's no actual counterplay against him as another class because, again, he's too far away. - The weapons that the TF2 community largely regard as pathetic or useless like the Fan-o-War and Sharpened Volcano Fragment aren't nearly as bad as people make it them to be. Same thing with the first paragraph, their upsides may nigh-useless but it's not like their downsides hinder the player like the downsides of the Candy Cane and Warrior's Spirit. The pros of the latter do not nearly make up for their cons. - There's a difference between something in a game being unbalanced and cancerous, though something being unbalanced can lead to it being cancerous. You could argue that medic is more OP than sniper because of their necessity for a team to win, but sniper is without a doubt the most cancerous class in the game. The only effective counterplay against sniper is by going sniper and it's never fun. - 2/3 of the maps in TF2 are terrible. The old ones like Dustbowl had horrific chokes and tight spaces that made it spam heaven while newer maps like Sulfur are visually confusing and have enormous sniper sightlines. Shockingly enough, most of the maps that the likes of Big Joey wanted to be added to the game are actually not good for gameplay. The sightlines on one of them was horrific. Also, maps with more saturated colors like Suijin can be disorienting and make it a little bit harder to recognize teammates, unlike a map such as Gravelpit, nor do they fit into the game.
I wonder if bringing Sniper's melee damage down to that of Spy or Scout would be enough, just such that a crit wouldn't kill most classes on it's own. Hey that might even end up fixing the Bushwacka by proxy.
i know ppl dont agree w/ this but sniper tends to be hard to counter because of bad map design, especially asymetrical maps where a defense sniper can sit right next to spawn and/or a sentry nest, in symetrical gamemodes sniper acts more like an engineer, denying a certain area or supporting the mid fight, and the constant movement of the frontlines stops him from getting too well setted up, plus good symetrical maps tend to have lots of flank routes, multiple main routes, angles, cover (especially on capture points) all of this making sniper more like a very far but narrow sentry. I know this is long but I just wanted to put a small opinion on the table.
Maybe I'm wrong about this one, but I always thought people reacted negatively to your takes because you usually speak with an intensity few youtubers match. I think that you speak so harshly that people respond in kind. Despite sometimes having similar takes, Uncle Dane doesn't usually receive these kind of scathing criticisms because he's generally calm (for lack of a better word).
and, its human nature to not like someone who is screaming in your face, so naturally there will be hate i believe that *MOST* of zesty's game balance takes and ideas are really quite good, but the way he presents them kind of buries the opinion under a layer of "fuck you"
I was just going to say "it's because you make yourself sound like a giant jackass with every word that comes out of your mouth (regardless of how reasonable or true it may or may not actually be)" but you said it nicer than me, so thats good.
Maybe the kuni (idk how to spell it nor do I care) for spy should only give a little bit of health on a successful backstab ( like maybe 30 health) and then the rest of the health you will slowly gain at the speed of a medigun’s healing. That way you still get the same amount of health you normally would, but you get the health slower so that if you are spotted people still have a better chance to kill you.
I actually like that. my biggest problem with the kunai. that it punish you for having a bad teammates, as also encourage the spy to exploit the tf2 broken melee system. (also enemy spy should not just chain stab my teammate in front of me, as i waste all of my ammo trying to deal with him.THEN HE GET AWAY WITH IT BECAUSE HE JUST BACKSTABBED THAT ONE CLUELESS f2p heavy. that just frustrating) also i can argue its detrimental for you if you want to seriously improve as spy. take it from an ok spy. kunai encourage bad habits. that why i prefer the spy cicle (or YER for more challenge and reward)
@@CoolSs dude the YER is so fun to use, even if it is considered one of the worse spy weapons. When I’m feeling bored I will sometimes switch to it and have fun trying to get the one play where you kill someone directly in front of their team and somehow nobody notices.
I know that this idea isn’t too complicated either because the Gloves of running urgently do this exact thing when deployed except it instantly takes away a portion of health and then slowly drains it.
My idea for balancing sniper is to make the sniper rifle have damage falloff that the scope charge negates, meaning a 100% charge having 0 damage falloff and an un-scoped or quick-scope shot having normal bullet damage falloff.
I just want to say thank you for your videos, I feel like a lot of tf2 players/youtubers need a reality check and there's few things I hate more than toxic positivity.
Add a cooldown to being able to headshot with sniper, aka it takes a second after charging to be able to get headshots, you know, to make him weak at close range
As a person who plays a game where a sniper class has access to invisibility and tools to see enemies on a minimap, I say: give TF2 Sniper lens flare. Or a laser sight like in MVM. Or anything to be able to 1. Spot the sniper to begin with and 2. See the level of his charge. If i pull up from a corner as a Heavy and see a literal beacon on the other side of the sightline i now at least know that i should run the fuck away
TF2 Classic gives sniper tracer rounds. They're not as noticeable as the machina, but they're still quite visible which punishes sniper for missing his shots. Also nerf quick scoping so it takes around half a second for his rifle to do critical damage. And possibly make an uncharged headshot do 140 damage instead of 150
Hey zesty, did you know you can extinguish with the Sydney sleeper? I saw a clip with a teammate on fire but you didn’t extinguish him with the piss rifle. Just an fyi!
I think the kunai should have had the inverse of what it had. It gave you the amount of health missing from the enemies. So like a scout has 100hp if you backstab you get 25 + some low base hp added to every stab for ensurance when backstabbing high health targets
I think Valve's negligence is a blessing in disguise. Neglect has ruined casual matchmaking, but having an active developer who constantly tries to fix things (even if they aren't broken) and making constant balance changes can ruin the whole game, not just casual. Btw I'm biased because I only play on community servers. I can take a long break and return, knowing that my skills and knowledge and still relevant and I don't have to learn some new phlog activiation mechanic or overheal decay algorithm or engineer building metal cost adjustments.
Valve puts out maps and cosmetics that they charge money for, they MUST leave casual playable at any time, otherwise they should stop putting out content once and for all
imo. revert tf2 to pre mym and give us the pyro fixes and i will be happy (maybe keep the buff and don't need anything from mym) then all Valve need to do is make sure the game run well and no game breaking bugs and i would be a happy camper.
I think the pompson could use a complete redesign. Personally, I'd like to see the draining stat removed entirely and replaced with this idea I've had for a while. Basically, the pompson will 'hyper-charge' your buildings if you shoot them, making turrets fire 15% faster (but use 25% more ammo while hyper-charged), teleports recharge 15% faster, and dispensers heal 15% percent faster and recharge their ammo/metal stores 15% faster. If you target enemy buildings with this weapon, the building goes haywire, making all the listed attributes 15% slower/less effective. The effect lasts for 5 seconds, renews with another shot, and you cannot wrangle a turret that has been hyper-charged by you. As for everything else about the weapon, I'd probably make the projectile pierce, but other than that I think it's fine as is if you give it this. Giving it anything else after this change would probably overpower it. I'd like to hear more of your thoughts on this though, Zesty.
That doesn’t work unless you already know that you’re about to get backstabbed for one, and for two, Sniper shouldn’t have pure immunities to one-hit kill mechanics. Personally, I think the razorback should actually function the way that the old Croc-O-Style bonus did and let you hang on with one hp if you get backstabbed, rather than fully negate it.
![Why [TF2] has (Almost) Perfect Melee Weapons](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/NArb-D-M8aU/mqdefault.jpg)
"Nerf" is truly the most offensive N word to a TF2 player.
at least to the stupider ones anyway.
Did you see what they did to the Bison?
Meanwhile one the words that TF2 players love the most is Ni-
Based
im offended, *steam* is coming out of my ear, im like a pipe that the *valve* got blown off, im canceling you and your entire family
Cold take: We need a strange dragon's fury
Straight outta the freezer, that one
@@vrexnah man, straight from nepture
0K
...Get it? It's 0 Kelvin.
@@kingkoopa64 straight outta uranus
At the very least, being able to apply more warpaints to the Dragon's Fury would be nice. The big tube it's got is BEGGING for a war paint to be slapped onto it.
Meanwhile in Overwatch: “In order to break the latest competitive meta, our sequel will remove an entire player from both teams. Tell your sixth friend to sit on a cactus.”
Wouldn't it be the fifth friend ?
@@mr.tatortot6469 He's referring to how Overwatch 1 originally had 6 players on each team and then in Overwatch 2 it was turned into a 5v5
@@shinyknight1400
1-Me
2-First Friend
3-Second Friend
4-Third Friend
5-Fourth Friend
6-Fifth Friend
@@trashmann480 Aaah that makes sense my bad
@@trashmann480Wrong, I am my first friend (and best friend)
"Church of Uncle Sound Purple Dane"
I nearly Spit out my Drink!
I haven't LOLd in a long time but that got me. So true
UncleSoundPurpleDane sounds like he would be on a registry.
He makes bad tf2 content
huh?
@@myboyfriend95only one to make something worse is Unclesoundpurplelight
That shit has the same energy as "SpeedOfSoundSonic"
The mechanics just being fun was proved this week when people were all stuck with stock
Here's my hot take: The community isn't enough to keep the game alive. Some of us probably don't deserve Valve's attention, but we really need it.
And if really nobody at Valve wants to work on this game I don't see a reason why they can't hire the community to keep working on updates.
Totally agree, and i dont get why the tf community has decided to say its our job to save it. Sure, we love the game, but this is a product. Valve is paid to keep it live, and its up to them ultimately to keep it live. Im so sick of the toxic positivity, as that will never get anything done to it. If you ask me, as a helldiver and tf2 player, the tf community ought to take a page out of our book. When movements like 'save tf2' happen, it just reinforces to valve that the games players will support this carcass no matter how long they leave it to rot
The clip of that spy as the medic is way too funny 28:05. Even I felt betrayed.
Finally. A scenario where the medic disguise worked.
@@donanilao7724 Try disguising as medic and running toward the enemies with your back to them , works surprisingly often
When people discuss Sniper balance they always forget the one thing that he has had since the beginning and they NEVER consider tweaking it. The Charge mechanic on sniper rifles is already a perfect method to nerfing his quickscope potential - just make it so shots under 30% or so charge don't do crits. No more quickscopes, people actually have to setup and plan ahead before sniping instead of running in guns ablaze.
Whats more, is you could add that little laser everyone talks about. The dot sucks. too easy to miss. Make it a laser that increases in opacity the more its charged. You can setup a shot while being relatively hidden but as you keep a closer eye on targets their awareness of you increases.
Whats EVEN MORE is add a "Sniper!" callout. How come the Spy gets a callout but the Sniper doesn't? Both are the assassin classes, and while there is plenty of counter play to Spy because fuck him in particular(?) there is no meaningful way to address a Sniper in his nest unless your teammates have more than two brain cells.
yeah that and the fact that sniper just does not make sense as a class. When all classes are short to mid ranged brawlers why do we need a long range instakill class? I am not saying that sniper should be removed but when looking at the other classes if their was one class that could be removed without messing up balance (to much) it would be sniper.
@@thefire5219 it makes sense that he is in the game , you need a class that is long range there is no other , the charge shot said be op is good actually i think at 50%-30% should be a 150 dmg mw it like 75 to quick scope it does stop alot of sniper v sniper also u could reduce the headshot hittbox but it also a nerf to spy kus amby
As a sniper player, I truly think just adding a fairly decently long reload, perhaps with a new reload animation over the garbage we have now would be incredibly balancing for the class, as well as less max ammo. I find that in most of my matches I forget I even have ammo in the first place as I can almost always shoot forever and by the time I take some sort of damage and go heal I get my ammo back too. 25 is just far too high, 12 or 10 would work better but it could be argued for slightly more.
And in turn, I think the darwins danger shield should have the -50% fire damage stat removed and make it only disable afterburn. Ive never quite used the razorback, but perhaps it could be changed into either less damage from shots hitting snipers back, instead of a backstab canceller, or maybe less melee damage taken on user. But who knows, I certainly dont.
@@redfox8496revert it to only +25 max health
check out bad weapon rehabilitation servers for that concept in action
Who the hell only wants 12 bullets, make it 15 or 10 it's a cooler number
its really not much of a difference between 12 and 10, I think 15 is a bit too much. 12 just seems like a reasonable amount between the 2@@phantomstriker7996
I don't think Dane is necessarily *wrong* in saying "Valve is 100% to blame for any 'bad' cosmetics/maps being added to TF2. They hold all the power. The workshop is a wide spectrum of talent, artistic integrity, and gameplay awareness. It's Valve's responsibility to sort through it and choose the appropriate content." In all honesty, I think he's completely right! But I think saying that "It's Valve's fault" and ending right there is kind of missing the point of the overall discussion surrounding community cosmetics. I feel like where we should have the goalpost is getting overall higher-quality stuff overall, rather than just begging Valve to do stuff for us. This can be achieved in a myriad of ways, but the first and most obvious way to get this done is of course having overall community review and going off the stats of how people rate items. ...which, if I'm not mistaken, are only viewable by the creator for cosmetics and war paints. For maps it's a bit of a different issue (level design is a lot harder than creating cosmetics, trust me). I don't believe I'd be mistaken in saying though that people would rather have things that the majority likes, rather than something that 5% of players will like.
What's so crucial about cosmetics is that they represent an imposition from one player unto *all others* on the server as themselves. With maps, you can just choose not to play on that map, but if someone turns up in game with horrific cosmetics that ruin the experience then what can one do?
A tool that lets you target specific players to turn their cosmetics off, or a selecter that lets you pick cosmetic items and say "make those invisible for me" would help, but ultimately a solid layer of public review would go a mile towards eliminating problem items that 5% of players like, 10% tolerate, 20% dislike and 65% outright detest.
Hey glad I could make you have a meltdown mid-video Zesty!
Now make sure to get back in your box and talk about why you think the Bazaar Bargain is the worst thing since rotten eggs ;)
Yoo love ur vid on tf2s artstyle man!
@@spewks8569 thank you! I appreciate it :D
This would be an actual good, toxic comment if you didn’t put the ;) at the end of it.
Also, your dog’s teeth will not survive my wrath, goobermunch 🫵😹
how in anyway is what you said a hot take
Twitter's going to be fun for a couple of days
Im gonna reinstall reddit just to see r/tf2 turn into a burning dumpsterfire for the next days
Take a shot every time someone brings up the trans door drama, i dare you
@@kingkoopa64 the what now
@dankmemes8254 Yeah, so the turbine event creator put a trans door in the map, and everyone went crazy
Ohh i can't wait
"To be honest, not enough people are like, stealing."
-ulcer danial
45:34 Hot take: it wasn't Valve's intention to fight the bots by restricting chat and voice commands, but to ensure each of them payed.
considering they havent lifted it yet shows they only wanted the money and it was just a excuse
You think Valve made the bot owners pay? They just prevented them from using free accounts, forcing them to use stolen accounts which is just as simple for the bot owners.
@@skarloeythomas5172 I think Zesty said in part 2 of nobody's home, that they steal giftcards to make premium accounts. Who are they technically stealing from at the end of the day?- I don't work retail but changes are they are stealing from the shop holding the physical cards so it's on the shop and/or insurance companies to cover the theft- not Valve. If there's a business around stolen credit cards being laundered to gift cards, Valve also profits from it. There's so many morally gray opportunities for Valve to turn this into profit, even accidentally.
If a youtuber has influence over you, like they say jump you say how high, you shouldn’t be on the internet. When I watch zesty and hear a take from him, I’ll either agree or disagree with it all depends on his argument. I should not be saying this kindergarten levels of lessons in a RUclips comment
zesty fans blindly follow him to be contrarians and feel included in the kool kids klub, this is just bigb but sanitized for the masses
@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 I don’t I think most of his followers don’t and I sense a bias dislike towards him but I hope you’ll prove me wrong rather than throw around insults
@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 you can say that about the confirmists, who like being part of the big group with the most socially acceptable opinion that will give you pats on the back for just saying the same thing everyone else does
point still stands: think for yourself
Sound like projection@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413
nah i love the dude but his video on the short circuit is ass lmao@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413
I have a feeling that Twitter will not be happy with this. I don't use Twitter, so I don't care.
Imagine Twitter when they realized people like sr pelo agree with Zesty jesus. They will go nuts
Glad i don't use it too.
@@kingkoopa64they will explode into tiny bits and pieces
I’m not convinced yall don’t care about Twitter the way you say that you do.
I'm already 10,000 Picoseconds in and I can already confirm this is a ZestyJesus classic.
If competitive players were complaining about certain weapons in competitive then Valve should've made competitive play with just stock weapons.
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I love how the Southern accent slips out for no discernable reason at 38:26
I wish Valve did a reprint for the overpriced strange weapons.
The huntsman, kritzkrieg and gunslinger cost $80, $170 and $340 respectively. That's a lot for a kill counter.
To preserve the rarity they could make the existing ones vintage, release the new ones as australium or make them paintable to apply a stat clock.
Don't forget the original please
If anything, strangifiers already exist. Just add those for the huntsman etc, make them clearly distinctly "strangified" huntsmen as opposed to strange huntsmen, and you're good.
As the owner of several of those pricy stranges, I agree. Let the people who want to count kills do so for a sum that isn't absurd.
Just turn the existing ones vintage or something, I don't know, so the pro traders don't cry too much.
9:32
Sentient is giving the average TF2 player a bit too much credit
What really confuses me about this admittedly extremely stupid competitive debate is that I don't think I've ever seen either side stop and ask themselves WHY competitive is so different from standard tf2 in the first place, things like no random crits and to an extent no random bullet spread are understandable, but things such as cutting the number of players in half and having only 5 cp maps seem completely and utterly unnecessary, I think the biggest mistake when it came to the completely failed competitive transition of tf2 was trying to balance weapons for both when the real answer all along was to make competitive more like casual
41:57 Not even tf2 community know what tf2 need (we got too many tourist and old players who are the embodiment of apathy)
And many TF2 players think that their game is perfect and will take the slightest criticism personal
Or compare to other games
@@crack4184 I used to be proud of enjoying tf2 and being a fan(before MYM) now i can't even praise the lost soul and art style that set tf2 apart from other games. Call it homestock syndrome but i love tf2 enough to stay with it until the end.
You are right btw and the sad part. PEOPLE CAN'T POINT AND EXPLAIN WHAT THEY LIKED ABOUT TF2. if tf2 was not released, most of them would be playing fortnite or your flavor of the month game... "Apathy is death. Worse than death, because at least a rotting corpse feeds the beasts and insects." -Kreia. But here is a white pill, we are old now, we found that others actually hold opinion i had for years. We no longer the silence "majority".
@@CoolSs Nothing to be ashamed about liking TF2, though. I hate the part of the community that argues all the time and says tf2 is the best. When you prove them they're wrong, they always say "Maybe but it's still the best multiplayer games of all times, even today! Look! I AM having a great time, which means you must have a great time too."
7:00 Counter argument Deep Rock Galactic, even when the season ends, all items are put into rng drops when exploring the caves, that way EVERYONE still has a chance to get the items. It's worked pretty well so far, although it's a game about working together and most of those items are cosmetics and not new weapons so there is a difference.
If I had to give my own hot take, the Sydney sleeper is the most balance sniper rifle. Plus I like the new G.R.U though the eviction notice could've stayed the same before the Jungle Inferno update.
To be fair to DRG, it's monetized in a Pay2Play-Manner with a "No content gets wasted" policy that also doesn't allow any type of micromarket to grow out of it. This creates are more healthy way of getting cosmetics by actually earning them (random selection be damned for a moment) and people can buy more cosmetics if they wish to via DLCs. That being said, the unfortunate side-effect is that trying to get a specific cosmetic becomes harder and harder with each season released, since they're linked to random spawns that max out around 22% for a Max-Complexity cave, which may take around an hour to finish if played...normally, I guess?
Similar issues with Overclock-Cosmetics, but at least for that there are ways to work around this and expect a consistent stream of new OCs.
Still a way better system than just making certain cosmetics just outright unreasonable to gain or unobtainable, tho.
Nothing interesting to say regarding the TF2 Takes on my end lol
And that practice of adding previous seasons’ items to the random loot table has resulted in a massively bloated item list that takes forever to get through as a new player. Not saying previous seasons’ content shouldn’t be preserved, but idk if deep rock is a shining example of how to do it right.
@@Hotomato I wanna be fair tho and say that this solution is still better than the general norm when it comes to this type of content. Like, at least there *is* an option to grind cosmetics over a period of time. There will be a point where increasing the methods of earning additional cosmetics needs to be increased, as well as additional ways of being able to choose what cosmetics you want or not (similar to Machine-Events and Overclocks since a similar but more important issue existed there as well, given OCs affect gameplay).
Ultimately tho, one could argue that some of the cosmetics could be moved towards the normal ingame-shop if that isn't done already. A part of me still likes the idea of being able to find cosmetics on random runs; something fun to look forward to if you don't search for some specific cosmetic.
@@Hotomato Well it's not like you're grinding them right? Just getting them through the loot drops will take a while so I think it's fine.
I haven't played the game in a while, so please clarify for me if there is a chance to get a cosmetic you already have or not and if you get extra game currency for it. If so, they should change it so there's a guarantee that if you did get a cosmetic, it won't be one you already have. Just imo.
8:21 I actually wholeheartedly agree with this. It's significantly easier for people to subconsciously be swayed by someone merely expressing an opinion than you might think. In my opinion, forming your own opinion rather than absorbing one you're exposed to is a skill that has to be learned and practiced over time, whereas if it was something we were all inherently capable of, it'd be a lot harder to spread misinformation, conspiracy theories, extreme political or religious views, prejudice, dumb internet trends, and other things that thrive on a lack of critical thinking than it currently is. It also certainly doesn't help if you're like me and don't play the game enough to have a grasp on various aspects of the game and have to rely on secondary sources (namely content creators) to fill in those knowledge gaps
43:57 "Maining a class" doesn't mean "exclusively playing one class unless forced to play another". Most people will be more drawn to a select few classes because they facilitate playstyles they like, but that doesn't mean everything else is off the table; this applies to just about any game with multiple characters or playstyles. Obviously playing a wider variety is good because you experience more of the game's content and it gives you valuable experience, but maining is still a natural thing to do and serves a good purpose
30:21 that heavy looked so sad! He really hated his life as we see what happens after
The church of unclesoundpurpledane has done more damage to this game then most normies realize, these 3 have to realize how much toxicity there fanbases spew out on a daily basis right?
Oh and god forbid you say anything slightly negative about them.
Regarding "give TF2 to a new developer":
*_LOOK WHAT THEY DID TO HALO_* 😢
exactly. in the heat of the moment, the idea of giving the keys to a new dev sounds good until you look at the many games that were destroyed once they were given to new devs that simply didnt understand the intricacies of the game or in 343s case, thought they could “do better” and burned a ticket for limitless money.
@@darthgamer9861 Honestly, aside from indie devs, I can think of no studios, developers or other corporate entities that put art before profit like Bungie did. They were (RIP old Bungie...) one of the last standouts from before gaming became profitable, and I shudder to think we will never see the kind of art they produced ever again on a scale greater than what a dozen or fewer people can complete.
Profit kills art. Profit kills the planet. Profit kills us. We need to get rid of it before it gets rid of us.
Im not afraid to say that zesty is right about sniper
I know how to balance the Kunai: So basically, you add a bar and if you get a backstab, it depletes the bar but however large the bar was, the more health you get. The bar can be passively recharged or using the revolver will help recharge.
Kunai balance- Every backstab drains the health gain bar but once that runs out you start using your cloak meter instead, if you run out of cloak you no longer get any health on kill. Also for that revolver thing probably should have it be the le'trange or the enforcer because having it damage based means a diamond back or ambassador spy would basically still be what he is now.
How about just let the glass cannon class be a little less glassy
Why not just lower the amount of health you can get?
I am going to respectfully decline
i dont like that. it removes the gameplay target prioritization aspect of the kunai and it heavily nerfs the kunai's chain capabilities
Just nerf sniper lol
I would like to see all snipers have a visible laser beam when scoped in
What if the Kunai’s overheal grew over the course of a second after a stab instead of immediately?
kunai is perfect he just have a skill issue
I think that the overheal should be granted over time. like, if you get a good backstab, you should still get that same 210 health. But, if you were to take damage (say, a stray minigun bullet) your overheal would stop at wherever it was at. It would make kunai spy chain stabbings more managable, as it would prevent you from having to send a sniper quick scope, a frontier justice crit, 4 rockets, and 4 pipes to kill one spy.
@@user-kb7sl1xv5rOr is it that you don't know how to play spy without an op-gun to help?
@@damianateiro I think it's a bait comment
Well womans with abs are hot, so it IS hot take.
One Spy change I thought of that would somewhat nerf the Kunai is to add a stat to the Dead Ringer that causes you to lose all your over-heal upon activation.
LMFAO dead ringer is already garbage
"the church of uncle-sound-purple-dave" did crack me up i must admit 25:40
Finally someone said it about the Direct Hit. LP really gave it a reputation as an anti-scout gun, but it really isn't warranted. As the titles of his videos suggest, he's a very emotionally driven player, and I'll agree with him, landing a Direct Hit on a Scout is deeply satisfying as a Soldier. It's also terribly frustrating as a Scout. However, at the end of the day, rocket+panic will kill faster and more reliably than the Direct Hit, and as a Scout as unfun as it is to fight the DH soldier, once they whiff a rocket, I've basically won, without losing a sliver of health.
i still like blasting away a grasshopper scout, either with a DH or rocket+panic
Damn I’ve misunderstood you.
You seem cool.
Yeah he gets a lot of hate for a lot of bad reasons
also maps can be made heavy dominated if they are too close quartered, but this usually never happens because people build maps that enable rocket jumpers
Single control point maps are good maps because they allow areas to change team control to prevent any class from dominating, exceptions of huntsman sniper hitbox BS (scout) and darwins danger shield BS (pyro).
Ehhhh single point maps are often scout, soldier and demo heaven.
@@simplysmiley4670 for vanilla tf2 (not uncletopia) all classes work for single point maps, no single class is trash, and no single class is dominant. Sure, some may be better than others at times, but you can play anything you want to.
I generally find that most TF2bers act extraordinarily differently to actual players in game.
They're very whitewashed, very "silly" and whimsical, all use Twitter, try to make out that this game has a very comforting and accepting community.
They act very positive, but deep down, they're just as toxic as they claim not to be, people like Shork, Soundsmith, etc.
They're allowed to just get away with it, as long as they take the moral high ground.
Something about that just urks me the wrong way, they act like they're mightier than all, because they have a "platform"
They're better than us normal casual players, who I guess are all just racist, evil people for exercising non-consequential harmless free speech.
Zesty is the only TF2ber who's just a normal, honest guy, with opinions. He gets hate for it, but he deals with it very well. He's strong and doesn't give in.
Normal RUclipsrs would BOW DOWN and BEG to their KNEES for forgiveness over their own genuine opinions, but Zesty stands up for himself.
I'm thankful for a TF2ber like Zesty, compared to people who wear a faulty fake mask, covered in tape.
bro you sound like you're in a cult
Accurate, thanks for sharing man. TF2 is one of the last bastions of old internet culture, I don't want it to get destroyed.
@@Rabi2infr the glazing is crazy
@@Rabi2in but he has a point
@@Rabi2in Idk, he sounds like a normal free thinking individual
Have you ever considered YOU are the one that is in a cult?
Sometimes I forget about what Zesty was talking because of the clips. In one clip he butterknife'd soldier and pyro with one hit each, soldier blew him self up whilet running and shooting at dancing soldier and demo.
Btw my take is that Big Joey should bring Slap Nuts back in his nickname
I genuinely believe the Classic should be how the stock Sniper Rifle functions.
i think they should make the sniper rifle work like the TFC sniper rifle and make the classic a reskin
You forgot to mention that the Direct Hit is almost always worse for advanced rocket jumping because of its projectile speed. Not that you can't get good with it, but it messes with your muscle memory so bad compared to the other launchers, even the Liberty Launcher.
That's similar to the issues with the Loch n load, theoretically the faster projectile speed is a buff that allows longer range hits, however in practice it acts either as a side grade or nerf due to how much it messes with your muscle memory.
@@captainweekend5276 Nah if people use loch n load often, they will usually end up even better.
The Azumanga Daioh edits were hilarious and I loved especially the takes on sniper and random crits tbh. Cant wait part 2!
I'm glad that all the shit you got for just expressing your thoughts didn't change your values for the sake of complying with the masses. Respect.
Have a great year Zesty
#GlockForDemoman
Hot take: Creators should start using RUclips's community tab for video idea posts because there's a large segment of us that just don't use the emotional cesspool that is twitter.
10:20 what is that video?
A video called Custom Decals - TF2's 'Biggest' Mistake *read the description pls*
25:42 "The Church of Uncle Sound Purple Dane" 💀
11:05 I don't know bout other TF2ubers but believe me I could be negative bout the game and talk about it. I have no fear of being open about this bullshit. Why though? What is there to say that isn't already blatantly obvious? 1 Dev, bots everywhere, yeah games shit. The entire community has been an echo chamber of the same grievances they have with Valve since 2017. There is nothing I could announce that hasn't already been repeated 100 times already so I don't bother. I don't need to "inform" the community about the bullshit. It's constantly thrown in their face everytime they play the game.
I may not always agree but I always love your vids man! Keep up THE EPIC UPLOADS
I was discussing Counter-Strike, TF2, Overwatch and Valorant with a friend of mine, while having this video on the background, and somehow we often bringed TF2 when discussing all of these games. It is really awesome how often the gameplay changes here! From Soldier to Spy to Heavy and so on!
brb gonna rewatch it thoroughly this time!
For rare items to be re-added, I suggest making them drop from the item drop system but a little bit more rare than before, and or adding them to the mvm drop system as season base drops.
Hey Zesty, great video as always.
I remember you talk on one of your streams about background footage, and man, that's some of the best Team Fortress 2 gameplay I've seen. It really goes a long way to serve the video
I wonder if nerfing the Kunai's overheal depletion rate to be the same as a Medic could be a good nerf. You're still rewarded but you have to act quickly to benefit from the bonus health and otherwise you'll more quickly return to your more vulnerable base form
Any class with overhealing is difficult to kill, in the case of the kunai, let it have the 210 maximum overheal.
I think this video could be a spring board for some more discussions in their own videos. Such as the "Random crits should be completely random" comment could be a video on how that could be implemented in a server etc.
Hot take Pomson should have kept the damage, penetration, and big hitbox, but no cloak or uber drain
Oh so it had a bigger hitbox? That explains it cuz i remember it being usable years ago
@@chocox6491 Yep, same with Bison. No idea if they fixed it, but I feel like they didn't so it does 1 tick less damage than it used to.
The thing it actually needs is a larger hitbox and have its projectiles not instantly consumed by your teammates. That's honestly it.
@@Fatsaver pomson (and bison) just needs to be reverted to the old projectile system, used to be so much fun, and the new system is just horribly unsatisfying to use
@@bullhammer59 Yes but because Pyro won the update and Valve ''fixed'' flame particles (bison and pomson used that before) i don't even think Valve could revert them back even if they wanted.
The hardest part about me playing overwatch with friends is that the healers have no feeling to them, and the few characters i enjoy playing are essentially all C-D tier meta picks, so you just get out meta’d and your team loses because you wanted to have fun. In tf2, you win by playing what you like, which is almost the antithesis of overwatch
@24:06
"Likely the biggest reason for the Cow Mangler's ban is one-tapping Scouts peeking a choke with the charge shot, and god forbid we have anything that makes Scout anything other than overly oppressive."
*_AMEN._* The absolute simping for Scout in 6v6 like he's the next coming of Melee Fox is precisely why I gave up on competitive in general, as if the removal of random bullet spread, one of the *_very few_* limiting factors of the class, wasn't already bad enough as it is; TF2's core balance barely hangs on with the thinnest of threads to begin with, as evidenced with Sniper's quickscoping and Medic's crossbow to a slightly less oppressive extent, and these community choices only make it come apart at the seams -- especially when the only way to play the game now is through said community.
Also, yes, the game needs team scramble back badly; not autobalance, *_TEAM scramble._*
love how the video description was instantly immediately proven wrong by Nobody's Home
Church of UncleSoundPurpleDane I can't
Great video as always, dude. Your editing has gotten a lot better.
The take about the current state of TF2 hit me like a brick. For a long time I have been parroting this idea that yeah, TF2 doesn't need Valve, the community is better at managing TF2 than Valve, and the content they create is more important than the content that Valve creates. But a number of community servers I used to play on went to shit recently with bad staff, most of the fan projects have either had dwindling playerbases that only get replenished when an occasional video about them goes viral, and now they're getting slapped with DMCAs. The only thing that I even have a sliver of positive feelings towards is the custom games. I know you hate them, but to me they hearken back to the days when Valve would add a new item and everyone would be running around trying it out, it may not have been balanced, but nobody cared! The game was really badly balanced in general back then, like, what's a little more bad balance gonna do to the game huh? Unless something was truly centralizing or gamebreaking. Nobody really cared that degreaser+axtinguisher was basically demoknight but somehow even more braindead, people loved it.
what I’m tired of is the blatantly false narrative that Valve is still the old Valve that cares about their community or making games. I’m also very physically sick of whenever Valve DMCA’s a fan game people pull out all the defenses that when used for Nintendo or Sega or anyone else they get rightfully shot down.
People need to stop making excuses for Valve.
The reason why competitive sucks is because meet your match was a crap update. This wasn’t due to the concept being crap; but rather because it was handled like my penis when I realized I had a testicular torsion
Holy shit I watched a 50 minute video and never once realized it was 50 minutes until it was over, good shit Zesty
The gas passer only works in a really fucking weird way that I've noticed. Firstly, thinking about the gas passer: Does it MATTER if you've been gassed? No, not at all. If you really think about it, you'll probably be lit on fire anyways if the pyro just threw a gas passer: They're almost definitely still around. That said, its a debuff that people avoid. So you can throw down your big stinky shit gas cloud that does effectively nothing, and people still avoid it like the plague because "OUUGHH, BIG EVIL NONO DEBUFF ZONE". That said its still the worst weapon in the entire game and nothing even compares, but I find it funny how you can make people avoid a general area for 5 seconds despite the debuff being meaningless to 8/9 classes, and only slightly annoying to an enemy pyro.
Hot take: I just stole your torch.
I’m at the part where you’re talking about how sniper’s limiting factors are too easily overcome by skill. I think a neat change that could be made alongside some numerical tweaks would be making sniper take minicrits for 2~3ish seconds upon scoping in. This would encourage snipers to charge up their shots more often from behind cover, slowing down their kill rate, as well as making the act of entering scope itself a weighted decision with downsides that can’t be overcome by just aiming better. Additionally, since minicrits remove damage falloff, the enemy will have an easier time fighting back against a sniper that’s going too fast.
Plus, sniper can have spy-like moments of bad luck where they scope in at a bad time and get obliterated, which can be funny and gives tf2’s two ‘assassin’ classes a shared identity in that sense.
the fallout from this video will be biblical
All these hot takes makes me want to go back to 2007 TF2 on my PS3. Such good Times.
Tf2 ps5 port when?
@@seronymus I think TF2 will be instead ported to the ps10 in the next 50+ years.
What if the Pomson functioned exactly like the Righteous Bison (fast reload, penetrating projectile, same damage, etc), but instead of the cloak/uber draining stuff, it just caused spies to have an electrified effect similar to the visuals of afterburn that'd be visible while cloaked? It's not negating the Spy's skill because he has to get hit by the Engineer for it to apply, which means he either approached through spam or got caught and is retreating, but it rewards the Engineer for hitting the Spy by making it easier to track him down and finish him off.
yooo Zesty Jesus tf2 now has 64 bit updates !! 😊 🙏
zesty never fails to be entertaining
My hottakes:
- The Candy Cane is the scout's worst melee weapon. A small healthpack is not as much as people think, over 95% of the games someone joins will have soldiers and demomen, and 25% vulnerability to them is a lot. What makes a weapon isn't just that it's upsides are useless, it's also that it's downsides worsen gameplay. The upsides of the Sun-on-a-Stick might be weird and are almost never useful but it's not like it's downsides are crippling like the Candy Cane's.
- Despite what you (@ZestyJesus) said in your reaction to Grouch's awful rebalance video, yes, the Jag is too strong. It's downsides of doing less damage against sappers or not repairing buildings as much in a single hit is completely negated by the faster swing speed. I don't care about defenses used like muh "burst healing" with the default wrench, that doesn't matter as much as you think. What matters is that the amount of time it takes to heal a building or remove a sapper is not negatively affect when using the jag.
- The Gloves of Running Urgently were also not ruined the Jungle Inferno update despite how much babies said it was, nor do I think the decision was influenced by comp-fags. People do this exact same shit every time a blatantly unbalanced item, such as the Dead Ringer, gets reworked. Yes, the GRU isn't as good as for getting to the frontlines as they used to be but they're now better for repositioning and running away.
- The Boston Basher is overrated by the competitive community and is only good for building uber. I honestly want you ask yourself how the scout's melees work and are used. They do less damage per swing but swing faster, and scouts often just press W while holding down left-click, which means missing a lot and the self-inflicted bleed upon miss is absolutely painful on a class with 125 health.
- It's understandable why the 6v6 meta is the way it is and why competitive players don't want to shake it up too much. Certain classes with unlockable item can fuck up the flow of a match while others are too weak. If heavies had the same mobility as their teammates or if engineers could get their stuff set up in a short amount of time, they'd be cancerous to fight against in 6v6. It would be like the Overwatch GOATs meta.
- 5CP is almost as bad as Capture the Flag as a gamemode. Most of the maps are clearly designed for 6v6 competitive which doesn't bode well in 12v12 casual. The soldier and scout often have stupid advantages thanks to the map design that heavily favors them because, again, they're designed for competitive where slower classes like the heavy and engineer are rarely ever played except when defending the last point.
- Weapons like the Spycicle and the Razor Back are fundamentally bad design. Having an item with the sole purpose of countering one class is 7 different levels of retarded, and Valve should've never added them in to begin with.
- Sniper, as a class, fucks up the fundamental balance in TF2. Having a truly long-ranged class in a came where every else is effective at medium to close range is flat-out bad game design. Any other class can be properly punished by the enemy for fucking up except the sniper because they'll often be too far away do to something about them. His weakness of close range combat also doesn't matter because, again, he'll often be too far away for a non-sniper to do anything about it. There's no actual counterplay against him as another class because, again, he's too far away.
- The weapons that the TF2 community largely regard as pathetic or useless like the Fan-o-War and Sharpened Volcano Fragment aren't nearly as bad as people make it them to be. Same thing with the first paragraph, their upsides may nigh-useless but it's not like their downsides hinder the player like the downsides of the Candy Cane and Warrior's Spirit. The pros of the latter do not nearly make up for their cons.
- There's a difference between something in a game being unbalanced and cancerous, though something being unbalanced can lead to it being cancerous. You could argue that medic is more OP than sniper because of their necessity for a team to win, but sniper is without a doubt the most cancerous class in the game. The only effective counterplay against sniper is by going sniper and it's never fun.
- 2/3 of the maps in TF2 are terrible. The old ones like Dustbowl had horrific chokes and tight spaces that made it spam heaven while newer maps like Sulfur are visually confusing and have enormous sniper sightlines. Shockingly enough, most of the maps that the likes of Big Joey wanted to be added to the game are actually not good for gameplay. The sightlines on one of them was horrific. Also, maps with more saturated colors like Suijin can be disorienting and make it a little bit harder to recognize teammates, unlike a map such as Gravelpit, nor do they fit into the game.
I wonder if bringing Sniper's melee damage down to that of Spy or Scout would be enough, just such that a crit wouldn't kill most classes on it's own. Hey that might even end up fixing the Bushwacka by proxy.
Tribals would be meta rofl
i know ppl dont agree w/ this but sniper tends to be hard to counter because of bad map design, especially asymetrical maps where a defense sniper can sit right next to spawn and/or a sentry nest, in symetrical gamemodes sniper acts more like an engineer, denying a certain area or supporting the mid fight, and the constant movement of the frontlines stops him from getting too well setted up, plus good symetrical maps tend to have lots of flank routes, multiple main routes, angles, cover (especially on capture points) all of this making sniper more like a very far but narrow sentry. I know this is long but I just wanted to put a small opinion on the table.
34:01 is Zesty's foreshadowing of a Raiden vs Sam representation with Dane
i killed 4 people with a direct hit crit. direct hit has a splash damage, thus it is op (i am joking, alright?)
Hot take: soldier takes less skill than pyro
Maybe I'm wrong about this one, but I always thought people reacted negatively to your takes because you usually speak with an intensity few youtubers match. I think that you speak so harshly that people respond in kind. Despite sometimes having similar takes, Uncle Dane doesn't usually receive these kind of scathing criticisms because he's generally calm (for lack of a better word).
I get what you're saying. When Zesty shoots his takes, there's a noticable amount of "fuck you" behind what he says.
and, its human nature to not like someone who is screaming in your face, so naturally there will be hate
i believe that *MOST* of zesty's game balance takes and ideas are really quite good, but the way he presents them kind of buries the opinion under a layer of "fuck you"
I was just going to say "it's because you make yourself sound like a giant jackass with every word that comes out of your mouth (regardless of how reasonable or true it may or may not actually be)" but you said it nicer than me, so thats good.
Stupid request, but can you tell me where is that long ass solarlight comment? I want to see this myself lmao.
Same
Maybe the kuni (idk how to spell it nor do I care) for spy should only give a little bit of health on a successful backstab ( like maybe 30 health) and then the rest of the health you will slowly gain at the speed of a medigun’s healing. That way you still get the same amount of health you normally would, but you get the health slower so that if you are spotted people still have a better chance to kill you.
I actually like that. my biggest problem with the kunai. that it punish you for having a bad teammates, as also encourage the spy to exploit the tf2 broken melee system. (also enemy spy should not just chain stab my teammate in front of me, as i waste all of my ammo trying to deal with him.THEN HE GET AWAY WITH IT BECAUSE HE JUST BACKSTABBED THAT ONE CLUELESS f2p heavy. that just frustrating)
also i can argue its detrimental for you if you want to seriously improve as spy. take it from an ok spy. kunai encourage bad habits. that why i prefer the spy cicle (or YER for more challenge and reward)
@@CoolSs dude the YER is so fun to use, even if it is considered one of the worse spy weapons. When I’m feeling bored I will sometimes switch to it and have fun trying to get the one play where you kill someone directly in front of their team and somehow nobody notices.
I know that this idea isn’t too complicated either because the Gloves of running urgently do this exact thing when deployed except it instantly takes away a portion of health and then slowly drains it.
@@CoolSs True. Full stock loadout is the best way to improve as a Spy IMO.
My idea for balancing sniper is to make the sniper rifle have damage falloff that the scope charge negates, meaning a 100% charge having 0 damage falloff and an un-scoped or quick-scope shot having normal bullet damage falloff.
the amount of times someone has gone direct hit to counter me when i’m scout just to get absolutely destroyed is hilarious
I just want to say thank you for your videos, I feel like a lot of tf2 players/youtubers need a reality check and there's few things I hate more than toxic positivity.
I wish the cow mangler was just a simple reskin
the only reason why I use the darn thing is because it looks cool and shoots lazers
Add a cooldown to being able to headshot with sniper, aka it takes a second after charging to be able to get headshots, you know, to make him weak at close range
As a person who plays a game where a sniper class has access to invisibility and tools to see enemies on a minimap, I say: give TF2 Sniper lens flare. Or a laser sight like in MVM. Or anything to be able to 1. Spot the sniper to begin with and 2. See the level of his charge. If i pull up from a corner as a Heavy and see a literal beacon on the other side of the sightline i now at least know that i should run the fuck away
TF2 Classic gives sniper tracer rounds. They're not as noticeable as the machina, but they're still quite visible which punishes sniper for missing his shots. Also nerf quick scoping so it takes around half a second for his rifle to do critical damage. And possibly make an uncharged headshot do 140 damage instead of 150
Hey zesty, did you know you can extinguish with the Sydney sleeper? I saw a clip with a teammate on fire but you didn’t extinguish him with the piss rifle. Just an fyi!
I think the kunai should have had the inverse of what it had. It gave you the amount of health missing from the enemies. So like a scout has 100hp if you backstab you get 25 + some low base hp added to every stab for ensurance when backstabbing high health targets
I think Valve's negligence is a blessing in disguise. Neglect has ruined casual matchmaking, but having an active developer who constantly tries to fix things (even if they aren't broken) and making constant balance changes can ruin the whole game, not just casual. Btw I'm biased because I only play on community servers. I can take a long break and return, knowing that my skills and knowledge and still relevant and I don't have to learn some new phlog activiation mechanic or overheal decay algorithm or engineer building metal cost adjustments.
Valve puts out maps and cosmetics that they charge money for, they MUST leave casual playable at any time, otherwise they should stop putting out content once and for all
imo. revert tf2 to pre mym and give us the pyro fixes and i will be happy (maybe keep the buff and don't need anything from mym) then all Valve need to do is make sure the game run well and no game breaking bugs and i would be a happy camper.
As part of the Masses, this has been delivered to me, thank you Jesus Christ tf2
I think the pompson could use a complete redesign. Personally, I'd like to see the draining stat removed entirely and replaced with this idea I've had for a while. Basically, the pompson will 'hyper-charge' your buildings if you shoot them, making turrets fire 15% faster (but use 25% more ammo while hyper-charged), teleports recharge 15% faster, and dispensers heal 15% percent faster and recharge their ammo/metal stores 15% faster. If you target enemy buildings with this weapon, the building goes haywire, making all the listed attributes 15% slower/less effective. The effect lasts for 5 seconds, renews with another shot, and you cannot wrangle a turret that has been hyper-charged by you.
As for everything else about the weapon, I'd probably make the projectile pierce, but other than that I think it's fine as is if you give it this. Giving it anything else after this change would probably overpower it. I'd like to hear more of your thoughts on this though, Zesty.
14:37 Y'know it boutta get good when the Metroid Prime _Phendrana Drifts (Depths)_ theme plays.
I was the medic in some of the clips, so fun playing on stream.
But great vid man, love the content.
Rework the razorback so its like the battalion's backup or something and allows immunity against backstabs if you get a couple headshots
That doesn’t work unless you already know that you’re about to get backstabbed for one, and for two, Sniper shouldn’t have pure immunities to one-hit kill mechanics. Personally, I think the razorback should actually function the way that the old Croc-O-Style bonus did and let you hang on with one hp if you get backstabbed, rather than fully negate it.
i love your content and ideas, keep making cool videos
I already know this is gonna be a classic video; This is gonna blow up. (In a good way-)
The church of unclesound purple dane LMAO