Getting ready for The Old World! Rebasing and making movement trays!
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
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I may have mentioned once or twice, or maybe many, many times how excited I am for the launch of The Old World, and I have a lot of armies that I want to rebase ready to play(and all the new stuff too!) There's many options for rebasing these days, and I decided to make use of the @algolaserofficial cutter sent to me for making some movement trays as well as new bases! Hopefully this video shows you how easy it is to rebase, and how much better the new base sizes work for all those rank and file models!
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Now I'm not only tempted by 3D printing but also by laser cutting.
Mediocre Hobbies tips & guides, always useful, all the time. Cheers.
Very kind pal. Cheers.
This reminds me of when Space Marines went from those 25mm bases to 32mm. They went from cramped and tiny looking to dynamic and it made them look a lot bigger. Great stuff.
Yes exactly it’s just so much better.
I must say I am really happy with the new size of base. I have been rebasing my High Elf army and the extra space make such a diffrence. I will also be nice to be able to rank and file some of the new chaos regiments.
Yes I’m a big fan. It will make all the difference.
New to the channel , very much enjoying new things like this old world video, ive never heard of it til now. Found the channel looking for ork turorials and have been watching ever since .......lol only about 2 weeks , but watch a video a day ....i like the fact its not all the same , thanks and job well done sir........
Glad your liking the content pal. Appreciate the support.
They look much better 👍
100% agree the new bigger base sizes are a good change.
I collected hoard vampire counts Warhammer army, 4 necromancers, unit of 30 grave guard, unit of 20 skeletons, and I think like 100 zombies broken down into large units, and like an extra 40 spare zombies for extra raising by the necros once the game started.
I rebased everyone of these onto round bases for AoS 😅.
I don't have that army anymore and will be starting a dwarf army for the Old World.
Loved my old vampire army. Mite do another one for old world.
So happy to see the Bretonnians getting some love~
They deserve it for sure.
Totally agreed! I really like the bigger bases and with the flush bases.
It’s so clean and nice. I’m very happy.
@@MediocreHobbies What are you thoughts on color schemes for Bretonnia? do you prefer the uniform/dual color or every knight different heraldry.
Turned out awesome! We have a laser at work, I'm going to start this ASAP for my Brettonians and Tomb Kings.
Nice pal. Get stuck in.
I'm looking forward to the old world but so far GW has done a terrible job creating any excitement. It does seem like this weekend is most likely to be THE BIG PREVIEW so I am hopeful
For me, every teaser has been fantastic but each to their own! It’s good to be positive though!
@MediocreHobbies Every teaser has excited me too, but that's almost entirely down to my own nostalgia.
update: the warhammer day reveal was good!
@@DaveLife25was it??
Well no need to rebase since you can get movement bases from Litko that will take those 20mm bases and give them a frontage of 125mm or I.E. 25mm per figure. Now last year I finally decided to go through my "pile of shame" (which is quite large) and get units put together and get miniatures out of boxes, bags or old carrying cases. Taking them and getting them into movement trays and into new plastic containers that can hold 140 miniatures that are on 20mm bases. Oh and using magnetic base bottoms so that once in the movement tray they can stay a bit more stable.
So that resulted in getting my Empire/Human, Elves and Dwarves infantry done along with their artillery. All told that is around 1600 - 1700+ miniatures but since I still have bit left in some boxes that I picked up and still need to filled out a few more units I really got around 1500 miniatures done (around 860 Empire/Humans, 305 Elves and 350 Dwarves). That was what I did last year and this year I got to painting them and so far I have painted around 600 miniatures (I did have a few painted already). I still need to get more painted and then start to work on my Orks & Goblins and Undead.
Now I thought to use the neodymium magnetics with the old plastic bases but they created an issue to where if I put miniature to close together they started to do a spin dance. So in the middle of painting (had around 450 miniatures painted I decided to use wooden bases with the magnetic base bottoms and rebased 641 miniatures which was a good thing since those old plastic bases worked but were getting brittle. So got that done and finish painting. I do have 1300 bases with the magnetic bottoms for those other miniatures still in boxes and for the Orks & Goblins and Undead. All sprayed painted forest green so to save some time later.
Once I am done with all of the Infantry there is still the Cavalry to do. But I do recommend that you prime those miniatures while they are on their old bases and spray paint your new bases green since that will save a bit of time (since I have found that it takes 2-3 coats of green paint for each base before the base is decent enough).
Oh and I have two needle nose pliers one with a 90 degree bend and work to break the miniatures from their old bases then use some clippers to cut off the bottom piece. This worked for most of the miniatures (I have already did this for the Orks & Goblins because when you have hundreds of miniatures to do it does take a bit of time) but in some cases where they were really glued into the old bases I just used the clippers and cut around the feet and using my file and dremel to file down the bottom and just glued the whole thing onto the new base.
Some really good tip in there pal thank you. And your collection sounds insane.
Get an ventilated enclosure for it ASAP. the fumes from the material burning can negatively affect your lungs. you also want the enclosure because glancing at the laser cutter while it is working can cause permanent damage to your eyes. manufacturers not including an enclosure is pure negligence.
From my professional experience, I agree completely. Pay attention to 3d printers too guys
I use all the safety equipment necessary, including glasses to protect my eyes, and my room is very well ventilated when it’s in use, don’t worry! It’s good to talk about especially when I don’t always include those clips in videos.
@@MediocreHobbies the glasses included may not be adequate. they may block the visible light waves but not the IR. at minimum i would either replace them with a reputable brand or verify the brand that they shipped with is reputable
Cool video! Now back to your Orks. WAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGHHHH!
Hahaha I was painting orks on my stream when the video went live!
Bretonnia is life, orks can wait! 🎉😂
Nice video. Holding out for the word on Chaos bases.
Yes...hopefully we'll hear more at the next reveals this month!
Oh and I due recommend using magnetic base bottoms to those miniature bases and on the movement tray since that does keep them in place a bit better. Mantic Games for their Kings of War rules stated that you can just glue them all onto the movement tray but if you do that you cannot use those miniatures in a more one on one set of rules.
Ye I won’t be gluing them all down. But magnets isn’t a bad idea at all.
I do like the slope classic bases had. Will order some plastic bases for my models with than slope but there is so many options to base an army. Everyone will find something they like.
Yep so many options. Such a cool time.
The bigger bases makes a big difference to the appearance of the squad. Any plans for a Goblin old world army?
So much room! My Witch Elves and Crossbowmen are thankful, lol
We I have a giant goblin army for AOS already so I’d be kind of doing the whole army again. So probably not to be honest. But never say never.
And yes. So so thankful.
if you used some Plastic Weld and run it around their feet, it will re-melt the plastic and they'd simply pull off
I can't help but think the MDF is gonna swell up and make them too tight to fit once you've got them based, MDF is like a sponge! Maybe varnish the based before putting any ground work on them
That’s a great top pal. Thank you.
The only way that movement tray is better is if you were to set the laser to cut small holes for magnets and magnetized the whole thing. That banner man never falls again.
Not a bad idea at all
They look really Good Andy, well done.
Cheers pal.
Idk if i missed this but, where have GW announced new bases sizes for the older minis goin into old world let alone which kits are porting over? are you guessing? did GW send you info?
No secret info, there’s been lots of articles. You don’t have to rebase if you don’t want to.
nice video! one slight criticism: using the camera in your hand makes the footage kind of jittery and a bit exhausting for the eyes.... but that could be just me and the three hours vermintide is just played. your editing software probably has some kind of stabilizer, maybe it is worth the effort. but like i said, nice video! i'm in the process of rebasing my bretonnians as well....lasercutter.....hmm
Good to know pal thanks.
Brilliant, one of your best yet, need more of the same when time permits..
Sounds good to me pal.
Need to get on rebasing my Glade Guard so I can get to painting them! Shouldn’t be too hard to slap some of the camo greens on them either.
They will look great pal. Get to work. Early next year.
I was just going to get one of those movement trays which are spaced to fit 20mm bases but end up with equivalent 25mm width/depth. Can't be arsed rebasing on such a big scale.
You don’t have to rebase if you don’t want to!
OK, I think I could get more use out of a laser cutter than a 3D printer. I'd be able to cut out my own model railway kits and, thanks to you and this video, plenty of movement trays to rebase my Skaven.
Ye it’s a nice tool to have.
Thanks for sharing. Today's technology can help one to easily achieve whatever changes to make better bases and trays better accommodate their models onto them. They look so much better than the old bases and trays. Not sure if Old World will be played the old rank and file system or the ones used in 40k and AOS.
Oh it’s rank and file for sure. It’s going to be great.
Wife won't let me have a laser cutter, i asked lol. Shame as i have a lot of mdf products that would be cheaper to cut myself! Great vid dude, i've bought a load of 25mm plastic bases and 3d printed some movement trays. I do prefer the look of yours though, nice straight edges.
That’s a shame pal.
The most important question, of course, is the question of prices for classic miniatures. Most of my Warhammer collection is just old fantasy on round bases, seriously adapted for the Mortal Realms. I'd want to develop this idea further.
If some starters/armyboxes have a good price, then I can buy them and sell the square bases or exchange them for round ones at a favorable rate.
Yeah that’s a good point!
Nice. Ive done some high elves and goblins on 25s.
I'm about to do some classic lead dwarves and some skeletons... the dwarves being based on 25s seems to be quite controversial :)
Hahaha ye the old sculpts are so small that they mite not fill out the new bases the best. Maybe unto filers would be a solid choice.
Fantastic, out of intrest you mentioned texture paint ,what you using your brets?
Dark earth from AK.
@MediocreHobbies I was looking at there very same to pick up
I'm right there with you MH. I've never liked 25/28mm models on 20mm bases. Even for the first Warhammer back in the 80s I always used 25mm squares.
Nice. Yes and I can’t wait to see a whole new army on new trays. It’s going to be so nice.
I am cautiously optimistic about The Old World. But I never stopped playing 8th edition with some local friends who have multiple armies, like me.
I won't be rebasing anything. But I have no doubt someone will come out with movement trays that allow 20 mm bases to space out to 25 mm. But first I want to see the rules before I do anything.
You lucky duck having a player base still for the game. It’s so good.
I'm really looking forward to 25mm bases, my Freeguild Guard Halberd and Swordsmen are a nightmare to rank up
Yes they are pal. I know that from personal exy.
I am sure that in Warhammer the Old World the smallest Bases will be 25 mm Bases. I started to rebase my Vampire Army from AoS for Warhammer and my Skeletons which had 20 mm Base back then now on 25 mm Base and it looks so much better.
They really do look so much better. I’m very excited.
Hey there! Thanks for the vid. Can you share what sort of wood you are using?
It’s just basic mdf from Amazon, if you look up wood sheets for laser cutting you should find it, if not let me know and I’ll try to find a link!
It looks good on men sized units but the dwarves look horrendous. Its meant to be a solid wall of steel and you could deive a steam tank through the gaps on those revased models.
Hahahaha I think your beating a little dramatic. I think the dwarfs especially the newer units were very crowded on the old bases. Very much looking forward to the rebasing.
I think using scalpel or decent hobby knife to cut out mini is better way, yoh can use it later. Especially if you want to go from 20 to 25 and have friend (or youself) who collect lizardmen, goblins or skavens. Personally i got (not paid ad) adapters from Green Stuff World and my friend 3D printer so i have both options still. Anyway - man, i wish i had so much space for mini hobby!
There is never enough space.
Imagine being the guy who rebased their WHFB army to rounds for AoS, then rebased to squares when TOW was announced, then have to rebase again now to bigger bases lmao.
Oh dear 😅😅
Can your lasercutter cut plastic?
It would be really cool if you 3d printed a flat piece of terrain, (e.g. a flat field with a small stream running through it) and then cut it up into the bases/tray frame, to have a coherent base for the whole regiment :)
You can just cut the 3d model into base size parts before you print it.
Oh, right 😆
You could indeed big also the cutter could engrave that into the wood.
is there a chance you could share the files for your bases and trays ? I recently bought a lazer cutter and this seems much better than 3d printed bases and trays
Emmmm I’m not sure where I would share it to. I kee redesigning them every time as I want different sized units and frontages.
ah ok i appreciate the response anyway might as well learn it myself will help me in the long run. thanks@@MediocreHobbies
Great video as always brother I won't be rebasing 20k points of deamons and chaos warriors lol
Hahhaha no you should not Pal. Time for a new army.
@@MediocreHobbies 100% maybe 🤔chaos dwarfs or empire only because they should have cool models and I hate painting human skin so it will be a challenge 😉
I am so not looking forward to rebasing my painted 4000+ points of painted Skaven 😩. A lot of metal and plastic Skaven with the separate tails!
Hahaha I know pal. It’s gonna be somthing we will all Have to deal with. It will be worth it.
Andy, you are going to have a factory in there pretty soon
Yep pretty much.
Looks great! I spent a weekend rebasing my Bretonnians, and I’m glad I did. I’m really looking forward to seeing you paint your Bretonnians! What other Old World armies do you think you’ll get?
I have pretty much all of them. It was my main game back in the day. Can’t wait to get stuck back In with it.
me and my friends arw realy bump to, we all startet with fantasy.
Well I hope you all get stuck in when it’s about and get some games done.
OLD WORLD OLD WORLD OLD WORLD !!!!!
Dam rite. So excited.
I was. WFB player and TO of tournaments for 7, 8, & 9th.
I am glad it is coming back, but I have my doubts that it would be good. I am afraid they will dumb it down for "ease of play" by removing the special lore aspects of the armies.
Guess we’ll find out soon!
I agree they look better, but (in the fear of talking realism for a fantasy game) in ancient combat many types of units were tightly packed so you could present a solid wall of shields. Often your shield wasn't even covering you but instead the man to the right, hence the phrase 'right hand man' as this would have been the man covering the commander in combat
I get you but being that close really limits the creative process for the units. I prefer the space and being able to get more creative.
Does that laser cugter cut perspex
It does indeed.
are your cabinets ikea billy?
They are indeed.
Could you redesign it so it could be magnetized so your banner guy won’t fall over
You could indeed yes I won’t be Turing the unit over that much so shouldn’t be a problem.
Snorted when the bannerman fell over. Anyways, I'm surprised you glued them all down to the new bases, because with the style of those minis, not being able to get in underneath for tidying up details would drive me nuts. I keep my minis on sticky tack on painting pucks and don't glue them onto bases until they're basically done.
If I can’t get my brush at it then I probably can’t see it is my rule.
I got some of those handles. How do you get them to stick?
Blue tac
Magnets will stop falling down!
Ye I know. I think it should be fine.
LoVe it
Cheers.
Also works fine for oathmark. Just sayin'...
Good point!
Yo seguiré jugando Warhammer Fantasy 6 edición...
Sounds good, if you like it, no need to change!
@@MediocreHobbies Yeah!...
Nice
Honestly though mantic approach is much better
It’s great to have options though!
I’m not convinced that the bigger bases is a great change. Soldiers ranked up for combat are supposed to be close together.
But my main concern is table space! Warhammer is a game about movement and maneuvering. Larger units means less space. The game will suffer from it.
I understand your worries. I was also a little concerned. Especially if they make the table 44x60 like all new tables.
It’s quite likely that they go for the 60x44 tables as table space is quite a threshold for many (new) players. But we’ll see. I have played a lot of WHFB since 2nd edition and never really liked AoS so some buzz about the return of the old world is certainly welcome. Fingers crossed that the rules are great. I think the game was quite good there in 8th edition so it’s really interesting to see where they take it now.
On a side note it was kind of funny to see the new knights of the realm on foot. They look big! If a designer get larger, 25mm bases they will make sure to fill them up apparently. It didn’t seem so easy to rank them up properly. :-)
If u don't rebase you get more attacks in xD
😂😂😂
Are you allowing those fumes to just vent into the room?
It’s a very well ventilated room that I’m in not in while it’s working!
you need to sell these
Hahaha far to much work.
Reikland? ;)
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@MediocreHobbies sorry mate. Hoping to manifest a painting guide for soldiers of Reikland lol
Just play Kings of War... it's so much better.
Nah man, this is what I love!
Any elbow room between models due to larger bases will be non existent with new sculpts. Citadel models always grow to occupy 110% of their base. I want miniatures that are actually miniature. Not the ever increasing in scale action figures 40K and AOS use these days.
These are the miniatures that will be on these bases, they’re not changing the rank and file ones! Maybe try Legions Imperialis 😄
@@MediocreHobbies Yes, those are the miniatures on those bases. But as citadel releases new models, they will be much larger and will completely fill the bases. New models will look out of scale with your current models. That is why increasing the bases sizes is a bad idea.
You can already see this happening with the preview of the Bretonnia knights on foot. They are much larger than the returning Bretonnia foot troop models.
Its an interesting trade-off. If you spread the models out you get to see the painting more clearly and they are easier to individually manipulate but heavy infantry look increasingly unrealistic. Heavy infantry might have marched that spread out but they would probably have fought even more closely packed than the 20mm bases, with their shields overlapped. I recently rebased some figures even closer together and they looked great as a group, but I had to make a compromise and group base them rather than as individuals.
I think spreading them out also gives you the space for more dynamic models. I understand the men in a shield wall makes sence to be close packed. But giant lizards or dynamic elves need the space in my opinion.
It's a fantasy miniature tabletop game dude.
Thanks for this video. I am really looking forward to news of The Old World. I hope you plan on doing painting tutorials for some of the new models when they come out. Would this work with movement trays for round bases? Say I want to base my Old World models on round bases so I can use them as AoS minis. Would I be able to use this to cut out movement trays to adapt round bases to a square based game?
You could of course and it would look ace.