Why I Spoke Against Genocide - Israeli Academic w/. Prof. Lee Mordechai
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- Опубликовано: 14 май 2024
- Prof. Lee Mordechai is a leading Israeli historian - and he went viral after he spoke out against what he describes as genocide: / 1780034934444331325
We have a lot to talk about - but history tells us how important figures like Prof. Mordechai are.
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wheres the link to Mordechais text?
Excellent discussion. Thank you. A brave man, prepared to speak the truth despite the smearing happening to those who do.
“Genocide” has been elevated to Word of the Decade. It’s interesting that most people using it, yourself and Lee Mordechai included, haven’t got a clue what it means.
PS. I use the UN definition, as does the ICJ. You know, the ICJ who can’t find any. Yourself?
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Thanks to Owen for giving voice to the very courageous minority Israelis.
This ISRAELI IS A SELL OUT LIKE FINKLESTEIN THEY MAKE GREAT MONEY ON LECTURES ANG GOING TO PODCAST TO PODCAST AS PAID WINDBAGS
Free Palestine ❤️🇵🇸
This Saturday will be an important demo in London please attend all ❤
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When does it start?
It's the fortnightly demo but this week also commemorating the 76 year anniversary of the Nakba. 12.00 pm gather at Mortimer St W1 london near the BBC centre. Goodge St or Tottenham Court Road or Oxford Circus tube stations. Then march to parliament.
Sadly I can't as I have no transport and I'm disabled. I'll have to see what I can see of it on TV.
@@brolon2034is that the one where Palestinians blew up a train station and killed a bunch of people?
The fact that we still have to debate wether or not Palestinians deserve freedom is racist, imperialist, antihuman and plan wrong.
More people like this man are needed to bring the truth to everyone.
I make an effort, though not professionally like Jones. Communicating the truth is a very hard and thankless task. Not that I do it for thanks but it is difficult when nobody appears to appreciate it but many resent it. I don't think people are cut out for long-term social rejection.
@@AndrewJackson1841 It's great that you do, I couldn't. You have to be driven with the mind set of damn the consequences, I need to do this.
@@freespirit-qt8xs Not at all, I'm very concerned with the consequences. Namely the self-loathing I'd feel if I couldn't utter a word of objection as they use my nation's money to fund this travesty. Taking a position on an issue is not very difficult and really the minimum everyone should do. If one cannot do at least that much, one would have to admit to themselves they'd almost certainly have readily condoned the N.H. as a German citizen in the forties. To oppose that would have been a much greater risk. Isn't it a bit dishonest to bemoan the inaction of the German citizen when one cannot make a token effort to oppose war crimes in the modern day?
@@freespirit-qt8xs @freespirit-qt8xs Not to sound like a jerk. That's just how I think about it. I'd feel like a pushover if I were to let someone steal from me and use the money to commit crimes, and my ego refuses to bear it. Not that I do very much in the first place, but I don't simply keep quiet.
@@freespirit-qt8xs Besides, Jones hardly seems worse off. I think I heard him say he got beaten up by a mob once, which I thought was a bit funny (sorry Jones), but he's famous. He ought to do some training.
Victomhood and superiority has made a nation of cry-bullies.
The Palestinians cry victim all they want but we know better
@MrGoldhandles when you say "we", I assume you mean genocide apologist racists?
Los israelies y demás judíos están ofendidos por todo pero avergonzados por nada@@MrGoldhandles
@@MrGoldhandlesSo true! The Palestinians continue to be bombed, shot, starved and tortured to death by the Israelis, but the real self-declared victims will always be the Israelis
@@MrGoldhandles can you elaborate?
I am so deeply affected by this genocide, the longer it continues the rage I feels for the Palestinians ! It’s so unbearable
I feel you!
And yet it’s still probably only a fraction of the number of Israelis killed by Palestinians
I understand. I have been really depressed.
@@princesseuphemia1007I send you love ❤️ it is depressing but somehow the light at the end of the tunnel is getting brighter... ❤
@cheche9528 You are deeply affected by something that doesn’t exist. Seek help.
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Free free free Palestine
The systemic resistance to this simple principle will not be forgotten
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It's mainly the elites. They represent no more than ten percent of the population in a few Western countries. The majority of Humanity is with the people of Palestine, they just happen to be silent.
Unless you are attending the "Sound of music" song contest. Where, although being totally apolitical, the audience are roughed up and searched for Palestinian flags or other subversive things. Horrible, our right to oppose mass murder is being challenged by the establishment.
Example?? I live in a left wing Italian quarter, and "40 percent of Italians voted for Israel??" Erm.. here none. Not one percent.
There is no Palestine mook.
the world has a moral and legal obligation to prevent genocide and protect vulnerable populations from such atrocities
No it doesn’t
@@JohnChimpo69who asked for your opinion? 🤫🤫🤫🤫
@@Wboooo your mother.
So you want to go to war on the side of the Palestinians. How about we just stay out? Iraq didn't go so well. Neither did Afghanistan.
@@YorickReturns That's a strawman argument, as I didn't suggest going to war. It's also a red herring to bring up Iraq and Afghanistan, and a false dichotomy to imply it's either war or nothing. Let's focus on our moral and legal obligation to prevent genocide, rather than relying on irrelevant analogies and flawed logic.
I agree, whether or not this is a genocide or not is irrelevant. It is horribly wrong and needs to stop.
You're exactly right. It does help to be able to call it that, though, if one genocide is being used to justify another.
@@AndrewJackson1841 I have no problem calling what Israel is doing a genocide. I just think arguing over what to call it takes away from the urgency of calling for Israel to put a stop to what they are doing. Let the ICJ take all the time they need in coming to the proper conclusion on the charge of genocide, but Israel needs to be called out as delusional, when they state that their mission of eradicating the world of Hamas can be achieved by their current actions. If anything, they are increasing the ranks of Hamas with how they are fighting this “so called” war.
Massacre , 75 years violation of international law.
Have you told hummus and eye ran?
How did this episode start
Its not a war its a genocide and war is where both sides have equal fire power
Not necessarily parity of firepower but certainly. War is typically fought between armies. This is the world most advanced weaponry against families in packed homes or in makeshift refugee camps.
That has to be the most laughable thing I've ever heard. The Union and the Confederacy didn't have equal fire power. So you're saying the Union committed a "genocide" of the Confederacy?
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Laughable. There is no such country and no such unique people's as Palestinians.
@@adrianobastardi That's it bud you keep it up, don't you give in, don't accept the truth, don't accept the evidence, you stick to your guns and don't take the blinkers off because you might see the truth.
@@adrianobastardi That applies more accurately to Israel
@@adrianobastardiyes indeed☝️🤓
@@adrianobastardiAnother joker in the room. Yes we are all laughing at you.
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Free London, from the Thames to the sea.
@@lestrem11 Palestine will be free ❤️❤️😘
@@omarkhatab1020 It is rubble , child. You can have it.👍
@@lestrem11 we always have and we always will 🥰❤️❤️😘
Mordechai is very brave.
Never Again means EVERYONE. Not just one group of people
It's incredible that this madness is going on. Given what occurred during WW2.
It’s not happening again. You are just being told that by terrorists. Why are you listening?
Free free Palestine
Thank you for speaking out. I'm a PhD student at a neighboring school and hope more professors speak out and share their expertise.🌿
Because clearly what the world needs is more newly minted PhDs with no grip on reality whatsoever.
@@jeffreywilheim5970 bless your heart
The number has been at 35, 000 for a long time. Ralph Nader projects that it’s actually 200, 000 by now.
Thank you for posting your comment. I saw a video about it too.
There is no way it would be 35000 given the carpet bomb in a densely populated area.
No thumbs up by me, just sorrow for us allowing this to happen
I wouldnt be surprised at all if the stated number was wildly lower than reality.
(hopefully the censors dont remove this comment.)
Yeah, they just don't have the capacity to track the number of casualties accurately anymore. This is likely partly due to Israel systematically destroying the healthcare system (casualties are only counted if and when they reach a hospital). It's also due to the fact that the civil defense forces don't have the necessary heavy equipment they need to dig people out of the rubble or the fuel needed to operate the equipment they do have. In the north, around Gaza City, the IOF deliberately bombed any equipment that could be used for digging people out of the rubble because one of the Palestinian demands during the negotiations was heavy equipment for retrieving the dead from the rubble. It's so gross.
75 years ....
Brave man
he is
FREE PALESTINE PEOPLE AND LAND
Thank you for supporting Palestine
it is sickening to see how months go by -the world watches - and no one save those children.
This is a brave man. Saoirse Don Phalaistin 🇵🇸 ☘
Thanks for inviting Lee to speak - his documenting and genuinely seeking to understand - is precious
Thank you Owen for your support of the voiceless in this world. You have a beautiful soul.
Justice for the people of Palestine
'We have seen the truth we bear witness' Macklemore Hinds Hall
Everyone needs to listen to this
Great work again Owen, thank you so much for your work.
Long Live Palestine,
Long Live As Sham.
Long live London. From the Thames to the sea.
GG, Mehdi, and Owen are the voice of humanity.
Lee has my upmost respect for speaking out with reasoning and humanity from a perspective which is so personal and unique. Thank you so much for your truthfulness 💚🇮🇪👏
Mordechai is saying a crucial thing: it is about the willingness to take a risk!
Owen, you rock with these different guests. Thanks for all the thoughtfulness that goes into your shows. ❤❤❤
Free Palestine!
Masha Gessen was right, why making campus protests, not a march on Washington? We should pressure the president.
How many times have you called the whitehouse?
@@donnavorce8856 thanks for asking, well in my capital city I was in front of US embassy with a larger manifestation this last Sunday, and we were calling on US president. That's what I can do. I hope you are doing something of similar nature, together we are strong, a drop to a drop creates an ocean.
@@marcinbenedek789 glad to read that. We call, write, email, then do it again the next day. I figure 15 million calls might be enough.
I think in US and any other countries they have a different culture and approach to giving a protest
I wouldn't criticise any particular approach. It depends on your country first of all, did your country vote yes to improving the status of Palestine at the UN? Mine did which makes protesting my country somewhat pointless. In the US case could they get 500,000 people to turn up to such an event in Washington DC? To put it in perspective in 1963 when the US was a much lower population an estimated 250,000 people marched on Washington with Martin Luther King. The civil rights movement in USA took another 5 years after that event to succeed. So even if you could get 500,000 it's not going to change the US position any time soon as there is strong support for Biden's/Trump's position which is identical from what we know. The student protests in the US have gained a lot of traction due to the various police crackdowns.
"It's bad enough". Yes, sums it up.
My Greatest Respect to Lee Mordechai , Thank you
I'm so happy to see Lee Mordechai being interviewed! His document, available on his Academia profile, is thorough and an important piece of evidence of what is happening now. Thank you, Owen!
Thanks Owen and Lee! People like you restore my faith in humanity. There is hope for a world without apartheid and subjugation.💕☮️🌎🇵🇸🇿🇦
Merci cher Owen d etre la voix des opprimés dans ce monde si bas ❤❤❤
Brave and honest man
Thank you for sharing your platform with Lee Mordechai. I'm reading his document now.
ONE Word: Expropriation
Always the plan. Never a secret. This is what it is.
Fascinating and insightful discussion
You both are fair and courageous. Bravo.
You speak against genocide because you are a brave and honest man, sir. THANK YOU ❤
You can't speak against a genocide that isn't happening.
Thanks to all involved for bringing the real truth
Thanks to both ! 🙏
Thank you M. Lee Mordechai. Massive Respect 🙏
Thanks for speaking the truth ❤
You are doing great Job Owen ❤
Owen Jones in Dublin. Welcome. Love your work.
Thank you Professor and Owen!
Truth and facts wins over hasbara.
Well done, Lee Mordecai.
Owen I am so grateful for your talking out. I feel less alone with my sense of injustice. I’m an older person who has always know how wrong things where and still are. With no one now to talk to. Thank you. Take care
Appreciate the content you’re putting out!keep going
keep going
We love your show
Thank you Owen an Lee for the truth
Great interview
I hope for a better world because of people like you :) thank you, Prof.
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bravery
Fantastic interview. Thank you. The clarity and honesty was very refreshing to hear. ❤
Hopefully, together with mahdi hasan, you will break down Netanyahus hasbara on phils interview, point by point !
They really think the masses are fools!
Yes, please. Phil is a trained fool.
Sadly if it didn't work they would not do it.
Thank you. In the future when the world comes to it's senses, very few will be able to hold their heads high without back peddling or revisions.
Only a minority of Israeli society comes to the realization of what their state is rly about cuz of the hate towards Palestinians they grow up with and been taught a well written but absolutely wrong narration of history
Interesting interview as always owen , keep it up ❤️🇵🇸
And because they live inside a bubble of self righteousness
@@isasala9111 that's true as well yeah
Experts point to the types of munitions being used by Israeli forces as a major reason why so many Gazans are being killed and injured. These include U.S.-supplied 1,000-pound and 2,000-pound guided "bunker-buster" bombs, which Israel says are necessary to target Hamas' underground tunnels.
These massive bombs turn "earth to liquid," Marc Garlasco, a former Pentagon defense official and war crimes investigator for the United Nations, told the AP. "It pancakes entire buildings."
Garlasco said that 2,000-pound bombs mean "instant death" for anyone within about 100 feet of the blast, with shrapnel posing a deadly danger for people up to 1,200 feet away.
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Thank you for calmly and clearly explaining your position. I wish it were catching.
Thank you Lee braveheart
I never thought I would agree with Owen!
Palestine for the Palestinians !
England for the english, Scotland for the Scottish. I always thought multiculturalism was seen as a positive , your not a fan ?
I think getting hung up on the word Genocide instead of the actions being taken that correlate to it does a disservice to the ongoing conflict. It's one group of people with little to no means to defend itself against an ongoing threat that has refused concessions or any desire to stop the violence, some even openly demanding they be eradicated, the actions speak for themselves more than the legal label of the word could do at the moment. Let the scholars teaching the conflict decide what it was and speak on the atrocities being done to Palestinians now. I'm certainly not trying to downplay that it is indeed a genocide, because I believe it is, but it's more important to explain WHY it is than what the word means as a broad term.
Agree with your comment. Its like the numbers thing - is it 25 thousand, or is it 35 thousand. Their human beings dying in the most horrific way. It’s a genocide, and it has been since 1948. Now, they've taken it to another level - end of debate.
Except it’s not. You don’t know what your talking about
You're right. I wish Jones would talk more about accountability than talking in such abstract terms.
"It's one group of people with little to no means to defend itself" . So whoever is losing is by definition in the right?
If it's a genocide, it's terrible and must be stopped. If it isn't a genocide, it's still terrible and must be stopped.
"Why I spoke out against Genocide" should be self-explanatory. What a world we live in.
Thank you for the sacrifices you are making by speaking out against this genocidal situation in Gaza. I hope it will encourage more and more right minded people around the world to demand justice for the oppressed. There can be no lasting peace without justice.
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The recognition of a Palestinian State by the US and EU is a matter of principle and historic justice, as well and a much needed opportunity to restore peace and diplomacy than recognizing a Palestinian State now more than ever. Diplomacy is the right way to move forward STOP funding the CARNAGE.
I would welcome an interview with Norman Finkelstein, the greatest historian on Gaza living today. His presence on line time and time again provides insights and context to this genocidal assault on Palestinian people across Gaza and the West Bank, not just now but since 1946.
Well done for spending the time in helping and analysing the truth of what is happening your bravery is commendable
Type in 'a history of central banking'. It's an audiobook that describes the root of the problem.
Will look at it
Correct, the web of capitalist centrality of production and distribution effectively establishing an elite oligarchic unsung world govt.
I spoke up a long time ago in person to Moyshe Dyan's one-eyed face.
Why the Apartheid Israel lobbyists are not yet registered as Foreign Agents whom they are?
Meanwhile, the USA is very concerned about the Foreign Agent legislation in Georgia, the country not the state. The hypocrisy is astounding.
They are registered as the Keir Starmars Likuid/Labour Party.
@@pambacchus5421 Indeed, but the US is against that legislation in Georgia too. It will make US meddling obvious.
We applaud this Israeli Professor for speaking out.
Is more land worth committing such atrocities ? t is a hard breaking read. How can any society impose such horrors, and be ok it?
Brave Man 🙏
Huge thanks for these! These help hugely to see the bigger picture when one can listen to different people from different backgrounds and everyone sharing how things look from their perspective.
Great work, Lee and thank you, Owen!
Free men speak up against injustice.brave men fight for people freedom and dignity.
Thank you for both of you.
You are free, and honest men.
All gratitude and honour to you and your respected guest dear Owen. I will thank him on twitter
He said it's an honour in all seriousness and sincerity !
You have also shown moral clarity , and much bravery !
Another essential interview, Owen, thank you and thanks to Prof Mordechai for your integrity and moral courage in speaking out on this.
Well done sir,you are definitely on the right side of History, viva palestine!
Bless you, Owen, you're talking too much. We are grateful to you for providing this platform. More from your guest, please.
Where are my 2 comments...
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The moral clarity and commitment of this man are admirable. When considering his background, they become downright heroic. The few voices often speak the truest. Respect
Thanks so much for posting
Thank you both for your work. Where is the info/link for Mr. Mordechai's writings?
Someone above wrote it is on Academic Profile. I have not looked at that yet however.
Hi Owen, as a follow-on from points raised in this interview, Nurit Peled-Elhanan (sister of Miko Peled) might also be an interesting guest? She has done huge research on israeli school textbooks and how israelis are educated to see Palestinians. Worth checking out if you haven’t already interviewed her.