For all those who think Sargeras is corrupted by an old god or some malevolent force, nope, your wrong bro. Sargeras essentially corrupted himself because he saw that for every single planet the titans freed from the dark forces of the universe, there would be another 100 waiting for them. Basically their work would never end, no matter what they would do. The reason sargeras is trying to destroy the entire universe using the demons, is because obviously the demons are willing to do it. But Sargeras's ulterior motive to do it is that because he knew that no matter what the titans did, the evil part of the universe would never be destroyed. SO if he destroys the entire universe, even the good part, at least no universe, according to him, is better than one filled with evil in it. In a way, Sargeras is a tragic villain, because he still holds true to the titans original goal, which is the destruction of all that is evil in the universe. Even if it means the entire universe must die with it.
@@finnheisenheim8274 thus not but why the huck the dragon accept the gift of the titan in the first place and second question why dominion over the earth the fucking old gods are prisiond under the earh
I was in a curious , research minded mood and I stumbled on your channel when I watched your general history i.e up until the events of MoP. I really loved it. So I began to watch this, and then another and then another. You did a great job. Everything was clear, even after you got to the story after the events of the rts, like butchering of lore when the created WoW. The only flaws I found were not your's, it was all Blizzard either forgetting, ignoring or rewriting the plot for some reason or another. You have done an amazing job, and I rarely give such high and assured praise but kudos Sir.
I've made a new playlist which is old to new. Keep in mind that some videos overlap time periods. I've placed a link to the playlist in the description ^_^
Aye, he was even listening to whispers before he recieved his aspect powers. The connection his aspect gave him made him more vulnerable and it was N'zoth who pulled the strings during Cata. It could be that all of them were whispering sweet words in his ears, but that doesn't make C'thun the one who corrupted him and hopefully my information not misleading... You're right about the lore changing, when it comes to old gods they like to do that... a lot!
I've watched a few lore videos before.. Yet. Yours over comes them all, with the amount of detail. Mind you, I've only seen one of your videos The full lore, under an hour. Yet, by watching that, I now feel more connected while I'll be playing WoW. I'll be watching all your lore videos. Thank you, for doing what you did! Awesome videos you just made a new subscriber! :D
I LOVE YOU NOBBEL HNGGGG, it is actually really nice to see other people around here who love the story from the WoW universe aswell, I think it has to be my favorite fiction world/universe, just because it has so damm much in it! and there is alot of speculation to be done ;) your videos tie up the knowledge greatly tho, and I can't wait to see what we will find out in next expansions.
as someone who recently became enthralled and addicted to warcraft since the blizzcon opening ceremony and the lore, i cannot state how happy this video makes me feel. Now i feel compelled to read every novel.
Bro i love your vids man! I used to be a huge WoW player and am still a fan who loves the lore! You keep me entertained and informed with the game that i used to play.
I know its not an old god, but still a nice picture to portray defeat ;) The thing is, we also never actually killed an old god. We fought a very small portion of them and even that we just simply pushed back beneath the world. On top of that, there is debate if our chars in WoW are part of Warcraft lore. The things we have done places us in the area of gods.
Excellent work nobel. Been playing wow for quite a while now, but other than the little i've picked up on the way, my lore knowledge is pretty poor. Really looking forward to the rest of the series.
Neltharion didn't go mad because of the curse of flesh,he went mad because his aspect was linked to the world of Azeroth. This made him more vulnerable to the whispers of the old gods who were imprisoned inside of Azeroth.
It depends on what we get on our side. Following the vision of Velen where we have dragons, Naaru, Horde, Alliance...maybe even titans? That could even the scales, but would still make it one hell of a fight.
The ingame version is the original story without the timetravel that the novel has. It's also a whole lot shorter and misses out on a lot of details. If you want to know the full story then I can highly recommend to get the novel.
No, we know that he became one with the land of Pandaria and covered it in mists to protect his people. Kalimdor itself split apart because of the well exploding.
Kalecgos had a part in Tides of War. Short version is that the blue dragonflight have all left the Nexus to find their own place in this world. He has feelings for Jaina and decided to stay at her side. I have no idea what happened to Chromie, that's a very good question...
When asked about the "next Old God", Metzen responded "You haven't seen who signs Deathwing's paychecks yet." shortly followed by "The third Old God is N'Zoth + Warlord Zon'ozz who is a sevant of N'zoth and has fought against C'thun & Yog is a boss in the Dragonsoul Raid.
Yes as far as lore goes, Y'shaarj is the only old god ever killed, resulting in the sha infection. He is the only dead old god, all the others are defeated but not killed. We killed Deathwing (presumably, you never know with him) with the dragon soul, everyone just forgot about N'zoth.
Yes...you like...? :O Right now my favorite is Yogg-saron. The 3 visions inside his mind are brilliant and it's speculated that he had something to do with those 3 specific events. This might change when they show more of N'zoth, he also has done some terrible great things.
It's an old portal to the Emeral Dream. I think they planned once to make it active, but they never did. It was also used to point the location of the 4 world dragon bosses back in Classic.
C'thun and deathwing have nothing to do with eachother. It was N'zoth who whisperd in his ears during Cataclysm and it was his connection to the world that made him more vulnerable to the whispers of the Old Gods.
'It had taken the combined might of many Titans to even force them into captivity; after their triumphant return, there would be little effort needed to eradicate this single, arrogant creature(Sargeras) and turn his warriors to serving their cause.' From the 'War of the ancients'. Damn old gods are badass :D
not big on lore, but this one is by far the best lore video i have seen. and, as a 6 year player of wow, this has given me the perspective I have not been able to attain this far. thanks.
We know the fourth now Y'shaarj, but he's "dead". According to the current version of The Old Gods and the Ordering of Azeroth they imprisoned 5 evil gods far beneath the earth. If we don't count C'thun as imprisoned (since they believe he was dead) then we still have 2 unknown old gods on Azeroth and the possibility of many more out there in the universe.
It's in Darkshore and no it's not Sargeras. "It's a massive minion of the Old Gods named Soggoth the Slitherer. A similiar site exists in Twilight Highlands, known as the Husk of Sor'getha."
you do a great job on the lore. keep up the good work. even if I eventually un-sub the game there's a part of me that wants to see where blizzard is ultimately going with this old god-vs-titans-vs-sargeras 3 way war so keep reporting on it, I'll keep watching
Arthas what are you doing here?! Y'shaarj after the second war? No, the titans were long gone when that war started. 1 old god was killed, later to be named Y'shaarj the same one who took a titan with him (although uncertain if that titan was killed). They didn't mention Y'shaarj since that story was made in Classic WoW, before MoP.
Really cool video dude, one little thing though, In Uldum you said it was the Hall of Lighting, but thats in Northrend, it's the Hall of Origination in Uldum :P
wouldn't it be amazing if it turns out that sargaras was corrupted by an old god... that would change everything. Imagine everyone fighting sargaras and finally after beating him an old god shows up. Because lets be honest he was the fighter, the others titans probably didn't get close to so many planets, if there are so many old gods out in worlds, constant corruption could have caused sargaras turn, especially since he turned quite rapidly which is strange considering the rest of the titans remained good.
+xxJOHNLIKESPIExx Apparently he, essentially, corrupted himself. He is not so much evil as he is the misguided hero. The Void Lords, a race of beings that envied the Titans and yearned for their power, set out to corrupt the universe in hopes of corrupting unborn Titans within planets. When Sargeras found out about it, he thought the only way to defeat these beings was to erase the universe (*cough* Arthas *cough*) while the other Titans believed there had to be some other way (*cough* Uther *cough*). Thus, Sargeras disbanded from the Titans and allied himself with the Burning Legion (*cough* Scourge *cough*) seeking to destroy the entire universe.
Sargeras Created the Burning Legion. Sargeras is absolutely afraid of the Void Lords and their power, so he set out on his "Burning Crusade" to destroy all life so that the Void Lord's couldn't use their servants (Old Gods) to corrupt them.
To quote source: "As the Pantheon's greatest warrior, Sargeras, hunted the vile creatures wherever he could find them, he soon learned that some demons had learned to wield Void energies. He was puzzled by this, but continued his work nonetheless. One day, however, Sargeras discovered a world-soul that had been almost completely corrupted by the Old Gods. Its surface was covered in Void energies, and the normally tranquil dreams of the nascent titan had been twisted into horrific nightmares. Sargeras ruthlessly interrogated the black world's nathrezim inhabitants, who had come to dwell amongst the Old Gods, and through them he learned of the void lords and their intentions. Enraged and anguished, Sargeras smote the demons and cleaved the corrupted world in two, instantly killing the world-soul within. It was this event that led Sargeras to abandon his brethren in the Pantheon, form the demonic Burning Legion and vow to purge the cosmos of all life - in his mind, a lifeless universe was better than one absolutely ripped apart by the Void, for he argued that if life had once taken root in the Great Dark on its own, perhaps it would do so again."
We haven't really stopped Sargeras yet... I heard rumors or speculation about the expansion after MoP to be "the return of the black legion" where Sargeras could possibly be defeated? Awesome videos man! :)
"The nefarious, scheming dreadlords turned whole nations against one another by manipulating them into unthinking hatred and mistrust. Sargeras defeated the Nathrezim easily, but their corruption affected him deeply." Not their essence, but their veil acts of corruption took controle of his heart and mind. "As doubt and despair overwhelmed Sargeras' senses, he lost all faith, not only in his mission, but also in the Titans' vision of an ordered universe."
Nobbel is actually not annoying in this video. Usually people get better at making videos, but you were sooo much better at communicating in your first videos.
Yes it was :) From The Emperor's Burden - Part 8: "Legend tells that he ascended to the Terrace of Endless Spring, there to separate Pandaria from the rest of the world."
Azeroth was formed by the titans. On which they put 'The Earthen' to shape it for them while they went off somewhere else and the guardians were a specific sort of Dragons(in the video). The Earthen were sort of huge Golems that shaped the earth and the only race there were the Night Elves and Druids etc, some of them were power crazed along with their Queen that went crazy over power (lust for magic) because of a Dreadlord(ofc). Which lead to war and the Well of Eternity, the source of their power blew up scaring the earth and deviding the continents (today its the 'Maelstorm' the trace of the explosion from the Well). The Earthen were damaged and burried themselves deep within to heal. After they came out, their stone skin tturned to flesh and they shrinked becoming Dwarves (Yes the Dwarves were Earthen once) which explains how well they are good with their hands on materials and crafting. Illidan took a few drops from the Well because he wanted the power left, he used the drops on mount Hyjal which resulted the World Tree(not Illidans plan). Edit: After the Well exploded, whoever was in the blast radius turned into Nagas.
Azeroth existed before the Titans arrived. Azeroth is a baby Titan Soul that has not yet awakened. The Titans only wanted to shape it and order it so that it would awaken in the best possible state, they did not themselves create Azeroth.
Hopefully they'll save such an epic battle for Warcraft 4 where you can have a lot more troops to fight such an epic boss. Even so...there is more darkness in the universe. Who or what created the Old Gods for example, where is it's source? Sargeras is powerfull, but I doubt that he is the end.
Looking forward to it. I think that the final expansion (hopefully taking us to Level 100, nothing else would be worthy) will involve a final raid against Sargeras, himself.
"My pride coverd the land in mists" which could be the Sha of Pride or he was so proud that he didn't realise covering the land in mists would be bad for his people. Either way, it came from the emperor ;)
I use a Samson C01U. Love the quality of it, but it's very sensitive and it easily catches unwanted background noises/static. Need to figure out a way to fix that.
AMAZING video, as always :D I just have a quick question that maybe someone can help me with? At ~ 2:38 you said that killing an old god would mean the destruction of Azeroth, yet at ~2:53 you say that an old god was killed? So was Azeroth destroyed or was the "curse of flesh" not a real thing? OR did I simply misunderstand this part? Thank you, anyone that can help me :D *edit* Second question xD If the titans were the creators of the Well of Eternity, why did Sargeras even need it? Wouldn't he be even MORE powerful than the well? Seeing as how he was someone that made it in the first place? And if the titans were the creators of the Well, then how did Sargeras not know about it? Why did it take the night elves misusing arcane energy in order for him to find out about it?
he explains this in a video, but i also think that Lorewalker Cho explains this in on of hes quests, it`s about the old god in Pandaria, that corupted the land whan he died.
I think when the Titans killed Y'shaarj they did some serious damage to the planet and they noticed that the planet couldn't take that much damage if they killed the rest of them so they imprisoned them instead. As for the well of eternity, I think the Titans just pooled the planets power into the well at least that's my opinion I don't know the official story =/
The locations of the old gods was a really cool idea, but i think you were slightly off with strangle thorn. I think it would more likely be in west fall, because one of the plot wholes in cata was the fight light shooting out of the ground with rocks spinning around it in the air was never actually explained beyond it showed up because of the cataclysm. The crater is also full of giant slimes which to me seems very much like the old god blood we've seen before.
Well, i think that they keep old gods as secret villains behind everything else. There's still N'zoth alive somewhere. They drove Deathwing insane. M8be they will make them responsible for Sargeras madness.
I know that this probably been said a lot but the titan that fell to the old gods could be a reference to sargeras. Like you said the fallen titan might not mean the titan died. It could mean corrupted or fallen to evil. Now in wow who is everyone's favorite "fallen" titan/evil titan? Think bout it Sargeras was the titan's champion. Who else would they send to kill an old god? Just my two cents. I mean I know most people say Sargeras is the ultimate baddie in wow but if you go back in wow lore most times people become corrupt unless some one is behind the scene pulling the strings.
+ kelly johnstone It makes some sense. Don't it? Also if you add the fact that in the last War of the Ancients book that the Old Gods wanted Sargeras to step through the portal it gives some merit to the theory.
I doubt Sargeras fell or became corrupted by an old god that way. i prefer the explanationn that he became depressed because of the evil of demons and then came up with his own solution to the problem. Makes for a more interesting supervillain, than the usual old-god pawn story
***** in that case, Sargeras is not trying to kill the Pantheon or the Titan race is he? Its simply the interference with nature done by the Titans that he is against, believing its ultimately responsible for the demons it makes sense, many humans would feel the same way if we start creating new species that fuck up the whole system
Old gods came first and started the Curse of Flesh so they can assimilate the planet easier. The curse was aimed to corrupt non-fleshy creatures (titan creations). But Titans weren't there at the time of the Curse start hence no titan creations could be corrupted. I don't get this part.
Hi Nobbel, I intend to buy the entire book collection asap, and I want to start with the beginning ofc :D Where do I find the information regarding this particular piece of lore? titans -> old gods etc.
Depends on the view of it. Sargeras felt a despair, some believe it was the Dreadlords, Mal'Ganis example, who poisoined his mind. Some that it was simply the endless fighting against demons. All in all, he began to see the work of the titans as wrong, that they were trying to change, what should not be changed, as it was made for a purpose. If I should explain all of it, I'd need a lot more space than what youtube allow me :)
Hey Nobbel, can you do a lore video about the Naaru? If in the next expansion we'll have the mighty light-darkness battle, I think they will play a major role in that. Also how do they tie to the titans? Were they helping the titans in their crusade against the demons or were they created by the titans to watch over their worlds?
All of this was actually mentioned in the video (except that "whatever transformed Azshara and her highborn into naga" most likely was a old god whispering to them) but since you seemed a bit confused I though I might as well try to clarify, I hope it helped :)
Would it be possible that the titan that fell at 2:50 would be referring to Sargaras? How I imagine there way of saying "fell" is Sargaras beginning to have his doubts on the Titans and he was even entitled "The Fallen". I doubt I'm right but I thought I could share my thoughts, I love your videos Nobble87 can't wait to see more :)
Apparently there are seven Old Gods total on Azeroth, with four named, and three now dead (as N'Zoth is still around). But we can never truly know how many there are, as you're right, there could be many more out there in the universe.
We've already fought multiple Old Gods, though. The reason that the Titans didn't destroy the Old Gods was because they actually multiply when they are killed, which makes it smarter to just imprison them whole beneath Azeroth. Y'shaarj is supposed to be an Old God that was killed, but the Sha were formed as leftover remnants of him. Keep in mind, the titans were able to imprison these old gods, and Sargeras used to be their leader. He's a pretty dangerous enemy.
Does anyone have any suggested books read on this subject, I really want to get into this universe, but there are SOOOO many books; I do not know where to start,
Nobbel87 Even there you barely get any information,tbh if you want answers about the old gods then you should check the lore that the old gods are inspired from,H.P lovercraft the call of Cthulu,I bet a big parts from that lore exist in the universe of Azeroth,but that raise the question who is the equivlient to Azhazoth in Azeroth's universe,that being will have to be the most powerfull being in the universe.
Play game, clearly only for lore. Also read WoWWiki a lot, and don't forget to check if the information correct with other alike sources. Read books is good too, but they don't explain as much. But you surely shud read books ingame. Oh and yeah, play all the Warcraft games, including 1 and 2.
+John Keith I would play the game itself. Discover things that interest you, and pursue the information that comes with it. I've done it for 10 years, with more in-depth knowledge from the books as well.
I don't know if you have done this yet, but just in case you haven't already, can you make a lore video about the Mogu and their history with the Pandaren? I have a rudimentary knowledge of the subject, but would like to know the details.
Sargeras reminds me a bit of Sisyphus: he keeps banishing demons and keeping order within the universe, only for more demons and chaos to spring up again. It's no wonder he gave in to despair and turned against the Titans, I think anyone would if you had to carry out such futile work.
One of the Generals of the old gods was Thunderaan. You see him in the Legendary-Sword Quest for Thunderfury. Thunderaan was tricked by Ragnaros (after all both were rivals), entraped and his prison cut in 2 parts. Ragnaros gave those parts two 2 of his own generals. Lord Geddon and Garr. The elemental leaders, like Rangaros, served the old gods and are far from friendly (you saw that after Thunderaan was brought back)
also, there's the slight factor of the Darkshore 'Old God' You see, I didn't get the impression he was really an Old God. I think he was a great servant of the Old Gods. Also, (at least in the vanilla days) Naga were along the coastline of Stranglethorn. But who knows.
When the well imploded it dragged everything around it down with it, including a large amount of elves and their queen. But as they were being dragged down into the depths, the queen heard a voice of a unknown being that promised them life in return for their aid when he needed it. The queen accepted and she and her people were transformed into the first of the Naga, causing them to survive. The remnants of the well can be still be found in the middle of the sea, in the form of the Maelstrom
For all those who think Sargeras is corrupted by an old god or some malevolent force, nope, your wrong bro. Sargeras essentially corrupted himself because he saw that for every single planet the titans freed from the dark forces of the universe, there would be another 100 waiting for them. Basically their work would never end, no matter what they would do. The reason sargeras is trying to destroy the entire universe using the demons, is because obviously the demons are willing to do it. But Sargeras's ulterior motive to do it is that because he knew that no matter what the titans did, the evil part of the universe would never be destroyed. SO if he destroys the entire universe, even the good part, at least no universe, according to him, is better than one filled with evil in it. In a way, Sargeras is a tragic villain, because he still holds true to the titans original goal, which is the destruction of all that is evil in the universe. Even if it means the entire universe must die with it.
So sargeras is just a titan suffering from depression and instead of helping him the other titans just told him to suck it up?
@@finnheisenheim8274 hehe the titans basically make deathwing mad as well coincidence
@@dragullongblackfang8073 You think making medication or just talking would be easier than creating life and worlds with cosmic energy.
@@finnheisenheim8274 thus not but why the huck the dragon accept the gift of the titan in the first place and second question why dominion over the earth the fucking old gods are prisiond under the earh
Wow
I was in a curious , research minded mood and I stumbled on your channel when I watched your general history i.e up until the events of MoP. I really loved it. So I began to watch this, and then another and then another. You did a great job. Everything was clear, even after you got to the story after the events of the rts, like butchering of lore when the created WoW. The only flaws I found were not your's, it was all Blizzard either forgetting, ignoring or rewriting the plot for some reason or another. You have done an amazing job, and I rarely give such high and assured praise but kudos Sir.
I love learning about all this and taking that extra step as a player to truly understand the world we "live" in!:P Lore is amazing
I've made a new playlist which is old to new. Keep in mind that some videos overlap time periods. I've placed a link to the playlist in the description ^_^
Wow, Nobel's voice from three years ago was so different.
less confident i think :s.. but nowadyas sometimes he speaks way to fast --"
He mentioned that in these videos he changed his voice for recording, and it was hurting his chest. He went to see a doctor because of it.
Aye, he was even listening to whispers before he recieved his aspect powers. The connection his aspect gave him made him more vulnerable and it was N'zoth who pulled the strings during Cata. It could be that all of them were whispering sweet words in his ears, but that doesn't make C'thun the one who corrupted him and hopefully my information not misleading... You're right about the lore changing, when it comes to old gods they like to do that... a lot!
These are bloody brilliant. Finally a Lore narrative with interesting videos/pictures that are relevant. Well done, sir.
I've watched a few lore videos before.. Yet. Yours over comes them all, with the amount of detail. Mind you, I've only seen one of your videos The full lore, under an hour. Yet, by watching that, I now feel more connected while I'll be playing WoW. I'll be watching all your lore videos. Thank you, for doing what you did! Awesome videos you just made a new subscriber! :D
I LOVE YOU NOBBEL HNGGGG, it is actually really nice to see other people around here who love the story from the WoW universe aswell, I think it has to be my favorite fiction world/universe, just because it has so damm much in it! and there is alot of speculation to be done ;) your videos tie up the knowledge greatly tho, and I can't wait to see what we will find out in next expansions.
as someone who recently became enthralled and addicted to warcraft since the blizzcon opening ceremony and the lore, i cannot state how happy this video makes me feel. Now i feel compelled to read every novel.
Lol, love the avatar the last airbender footage. Keep up the great videos, it's awesome to learn about the lore behind the games
Bro i love your vids man! I used to be a huge WoW player and am still a fan who loves the lore! You keep me entertained and informed with the game that i used to play.
Wow, someone smart enough to Reverse a Playlist, I think you've become my #1 source of youtube wow entertainment
I just discovered your lore playlist. Thanks you in advance for my source of entertainment for the rest of the month.
I know its not an old god, but still a nice picture to portray defeat ;) The thing is, we also never actually killed an old god. We fought a very small portion of them and even that we just simply pushed back beneath the world. On top of that, there is debate if our chars in WoW are part of Warcraft lore. The things we have done places us in the area of gods.
Excellent work nobel. Been playing wow for quite a while now, but other than the little i've picked up on the way, my lore knowledge is pretty poor. Really looking forward to the rest of the series.
Neltharion didn't go mad because of the curse of flesh,he went mad because his aspect was linked to the world of Azeroth. This made him more vulnerable to the whispers of the old gods who were imprisoned inside of Azeroth.
I'm with you, the story is just to good!
thanks for uploading :)
some parts of WC lore that seemed random to me long ago,
now make deep sense !
It depends on what we get on our side. Following the vision of Velen where we have dragons, Naaru, Horde, Alliance...maybe even titans? That could even the scales, but would still make it one hell of a fight.
The ingame version is the original story without the timetravel that the novel has. It's also a whole lot shorter and misses out on a lot of details. If you want to know the full story then I can highly recommend to get the novel.
No, we know that he became one with the land of Pandaria and covered it in mists to protect his people. Kalimdor itself split apart because of the well exploding.
Top of the morning to you sir! I have 2 playlists, 1 in reverse so you can decide in which order to watch them.
Kalecgos had a part in Tides of War. Short version is that the blue dragonflight have all left the Nexus to find their own place in this world. He has feelings for Jaina and decided to stay at her side. I have no idea what happened to Chromie, that's a very good question...
Yep all we did was push them back in to their prisons, I'll release part 2 on Monday and I'll explain more about the old gods ^_^
When asked about the "next Old God", Metzen responded "You haven't seen who signs Deathwing's paychecks yet." shortly followed by "The third Old God is N'Zoth + Warlord Zon'ozz who is a sevant of N'zoth and has fought against C'thun & Yog is a boss in the Dragonsoul Raid.
Thank you :) and no, no release date has been given yet. I think either this month or the next.
I LOVED this video, the lore is what makes this game unique imo (even though I haven't played for a more than a year)
Yes as far as lore goes, Y'shaarj is the only old god ever killed, resulting in the sha infection. He is the only dead old god, all the others are defeated but not killed. We killed Deathwing (presumably, you never know with him) with the dragon soul, everyone just forgot about N'zoth.
I talk about Ra-Den in part 3. I didn't find any aditional lore that goes with him except the Heart of Pandaria scenario in 5.3.
Yes...you like...? :O Right now my favorite is Yogg-saron. The 3 visions inside his mind are brilliant and it's speculated that he had something to do with those 3 specific events. This might change when they show more of N'zoth, he also has done some terrible great things.
thanks ! good job. It gives a good overview and invite to go deeper in details of some part of the story :)
Nobbel, we love you, and your beautiful whisper, cause we can hear it.
It's an old portal to the Emeral Dream. I think they planned once to make it active, but they never did. It was also used to point the location of the 4 world dragon bosses back in Classic.
C'thun and deathwing have nothing to do with eachother. It was N'zoth who whisperd in his ears during Cataclysm and it was his connection to the world that made him more vulnerable to the whispers of the Old Gods.
So Old Gods feed on chaos, does this mean that every expansion the old gods grow stronger?
Pretty much
yeah pretty much cause in each expansion there is chaos. Just look at legion for example
Pretty much and in Cataclysm they got so strong they tried breaking out of their prisons by causing The Hour of Twilight.
And what do you know, the new expansion a random war starts between the factions .. DUN DUN DUN, lol
I thought chaos was fel? This whole magic difference is just confusing
'It had taken the combined might of many
Titans to even force them into captivity; after their triumphant return, there would be little effort needed to eradicate
this single, arrogant creature(Sargeras) and turn his warriors to serving their cause.' From the 'War of the ancients'. Damn old gods are badass :D
not big on lore, but this one is by far the best lore video i have seen. and, as a 6 year player of wow, this has given me the perspective I have not been able to attain this far. thanks.
woo cant wait for part2, love the lore on the titans on the old gods
We know the fourth now Y'shaarj, but he's "dead". According to the current version of The Old Gods and the Ordering of Azeroth they imprisoned 5 evil gods far beneath the earth. If we don't count C'thun as imprisoned (since they believe he was dead) then we still have 2 unknown old gods on Azeroth and the possibility of many more out there in the universe.
It's in Darkshore and no it's not Sargeras. "It's a massive minion of the Old Gods named Soggoth the Slitherer. A similiar site exists in Twilight Highlands, known as the Husk of Sor'getha."
you do a great job on the lore. keep up the good work. even if I eventually un-sub the game there's a part of me that wants to see where blizzard is ultimately going with this old god-vs-titans-vs-sargeras 3 way war so keep reporting on it, I'll keep watching
Arthas what are you doing here?! Y'shaarj after the second war? No, the titans were long gone when that war started. 1 old god was killed, later to be named Y'shaarj the same one who took a titan with him (although uncertain if that titan was killed). They didn't mention Y'shaarj since that story was made in Classic WoW, before MoP.
Really cool video dude, one little thing though, In Uldum you said it was the Hall of Lighting, but thats in Northrend, it's the Hall of Origination in Uldum :P
wouldn't it be amazing if it turns out that sargaras was corrupted by an old god... that would change everything. Imagine everyone fighting sargaras and finally after beating him an old god shows up. Because lets be honest he was the fighter, the others titans probably didn't get close to so many planets, if there are so many old gods out in worlds, constant corruption could have caused sargaras turn, especially since he turned quite rapidly which is strange considering the rest of the titans remained good.
+xxJOHNLIKESPIExx Apparently he, essentially, corrupted himself. He is not so much evil as he is the misguided hero. The Void Lords, a race of beings that envied the Titans and yearned for their power, set out to corrupt the universe in hopes of corrupting unborn Titans within planets. When Sargeras found out about it, he thought the only way to defeat these beings was to erase the universe (*cough* Arthas *cough*) while the other Titans believed there had to be some other way (*cough* Uther *cough*). Thus, Sargeras disbanded from the Titans and allied himself with the Burning Legion (*cough* Scourge *cough*) seeking to destroy the entire universe.
Sargeras Created the Burning Legion.
Sargeras is absolutely afraid of the Void Lords and their power, so he set out on his "Burning Crusade" to destroy all life so that the Void Lord's couldn't use their servants (Old Gods) to corrupt them.
To include destroying baby Titan Souls that have too much corruption from Old Gods.
To quote source:
"As the Pantheon's greatest warrior, Sargeras, hunted the vile creatures wherever he could find them, he soon learned that some demons had learned to wield Void energies. He was puzzled by this, but continued his work nonetheless.
One day, however, Sargeras discovered a world-soul that had been almost completely corrupted by the Old Gods. Its surface was covered in Void energies, and the normally tranquil dreams of the nascent titan had been twisted into horrific nightmares.
Sargeras ruthlessly interrogated the black world's nathrezim inhabitants, who had come to dwell amongst the Old Gods, and through them he learned of the void lords and their intentions. Enraged and anguished, Sargeras smote the demons and cleaved the corrupted world in two, instantly killing the world-soul within. It was this event that led Sargeras to abandon his brethren in the Pantheon, form the demonic Burning Legion and vow to purge the cosmos of all life - in his mind, a lifeless universe was better than one absolutely ripped apart by the Void, for he argued that if life had once taken root in the Great Dark on its own, perhaps it would do so again."
Using freaking Avatar the Last Airbender clips.
I love it.
The final boss chamber in Mogu shan vaults was directly taken from the movie the last air bender.
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Shhhhhh, there is no Last Airbender Movie. We don't talk about that horror.
Choryllis Haha I could never finish that movie or watch it in one sitting. I have only seen bits and pieces of it.
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Good. I was ready to gouge my eyes and ears out in the first 10 minutes.
We haven't really stopped Sargeras yet... I heard rumors or speculation about the expansion after MoP to be "the return of the black legion" where Sargeras could possibly be defeated?
Awesome videos man! :)
"The nefarious, scheming dreadlords turned whole nations against one another by manipulating them into unthinking hatred and mistrust. Sargeras defeated the Nathrezim easily, but their corruption affected him deeply."
Not their essence, but their veil acts of corruption took controle of his heart and mind.
"As doubt and despair overwhelmed Sargeras' senses, he lost all faith, not only in his mission, but also in the Titans' vision of an ordered universe."
Now we have shadowlands...
Nobbel is actually not annoying in this video. Usually people get better at making videos, but you were sooo much better at communicating in your first videos.
Nobbel, first of all I like your videos alot :) second of all, do you know when patch 5.4 comes out?
Yes it was :) From The Emperor's Burden - Part 8: "Legend tells that he ascended to the Terrace of Endless Spring, there to separate Pandaria from the rest of the world."
Azeroth was formed by the titans. On which they put 'The Earthen' to shape it for them while they went off somewhere else and the guardians were a specific sort of Dragons(in the video). The Earthen were sort of huge Golems that shaped the earth and the only race there were the Night Elves and Druids etc, some of them were power crazed along with their Queen that went crazy over power (lust for magic) because of a Dreadlord(ofc). Which lead to war and the Well of Eternity, the source of their power blew up scaring the earth and deviding the continents (today its the 'Maelstorm' the trace of the explosion from the Well). The Earthen were damaged and burried themselves deep within to heal. After they came out, their stone skin tturned to flesh and they shrinked becoming Dwarves (Yes the Dwarves were Earthen once) which explains how well they are good with their hands on materials and crafting. Illidan took a few drops from the Well because he wanted the power left, he used the drops on mount Hyjal which resulted the World Tree(not Illidans plan).
Edit: After the Well exploded, whoever was in the blast radius turned into Nagas.
Azeroth existed before the Titans arrived. Azeroth is a baby Titan Soul that has not yet awakened. The Titans only wanted to shape it and order it so that it would awaken in the best possible state, they did not themselves create Azeroth.
whoa whoa whoa you, at the Well section you forgot the greatest hero of all time Broxigar the Red
Hopefully they'll save such an epic battle for Warcraft 4 where you can have a lot more troops to fight such an epic boss. Even so...there is more darkness in the universe. Who or what created the Old Gods for example, where is it's source? Sargeras is powerfull, but I doubt that he is the end.
Looking forward to it. I think that the final expansion (hopefully taking us to Level 100, nothing else would be worthy) will involve a final raid against Sargeras, himself.
"My pride coverd the land in mists" which could be the Sha of Pride or he was so proud that he didn't realise covering the land in mists would be bad for his people. Either way, it came from the emperor ;)
I use a Samson C01U. Love the quality of it, but it's very sensitive and it easily catches unwanted background noises/static. Need to figure out a way to fix that.
yeah same but u really did this video well now i kinda get an understanding on what happened and how the emerald dream got demolished
Found Chromie today! She's standing in Stormwind next to the piece of Deathwing his armor to tell the Cataclysm end cinematic.
Aye, the Well of Eternity.
Thanks for the new playlist!
AMAZING video, as always :D I just have a quick question that maybe someone can help me with? At ~ 2:38 you said that killing an old god would mean the destruction of Azeroth, yet at ~2:53 you say that an old god was killed? So was Azeroth destroyed or was the "curse of flesh" not a real thing? OR did I simply misunderstand this part?
Thank you, anyone that can help me :D
*edit* Second question xD If the titans were the creators of the Well of Eternity, why did Sargeras even need it? Wouldn't he be even MORE powerful than the well? Seeing as how he was someone that made it in the first place? And if the titans were the creators of the Well, then how did Sargeras not know about it? Why did it take the night elves misusing arcane energy in order for him to find out about it?
he explains this in a video, but i also think that Lorewalker Cho explains this in on of hes quests, it`s about the old god in Pandaria, that corupted the land whan he died.
I think if all of the old gods die Azeroth is destroyed.
I think when the Titans killed Y'shaarj they did some serious damage to the planet and they noticed that the planet couldn't take that much damage if they killed the rest of them so they imprisoned them instead.
As for the well of eternity, I think the Titans just pooled the planets power into the well at least that's my opinion I don't know the official story =/
Seeing your Lore vids is making my BlizzFan Blood boiling. I want to return to Azeroth so bad now. :(
Do you mean where is the Diablo planet in the Warcraft universe? TBH, I don't think they're the same.
5:55 Char left from Azeroth, could bizzards project titan be a merging of starcraft and warcraft worlds?
yes
The locations of the old gods was a really cool idea, but i think you were slightly off with strangle thorn. I think it would more likely be in west fall, because one of the plot wholes in cata was the fight light shooting out of the ground with rocks spinning around it in the air was never actually explained beyond it showed up because of the cataclysm. The crater is also full of giant slimes which to me seems very much like the old god blood we've seen before.
im wondering what mic are u using atm becouse the sound quality is very good
#1: Yogg-saron. #2 Y'shaarj. #3 N'zoth. If we don't count #4 C'thun that means 2 more old gods left.
Well, i think that they keep old gods as secret villains behind everything else. There's still N'zoth alive somewhere. They drove Deathwing insane. M8be they will make them responsible for Sargeras madness.
You mean the one on the beach of Darkshore? Yes, that's a minion of the Old Gods.
I know that this probably been said a lot but the titan that fell to the old gods could be a reference to sargeras. Like you said the fallen titan might not mean the titan died. It could mean corrupted or fallen to evil. Now in wow who is everyone's favorite "fallen" titan/evil titan? Think bout it Sargeras was the titan's champion. Who else would they send to kill an old god? Just my two cents. I mean I know most people say Sargeras is the ultimate baddie in wow but if you go back in wow lore most times people become corrupt unless some one is behind the scene pulling the strings.
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+ kelly johnstone It makes some sense. Don't it? Also if you add the fact that in the last War of the Ancients book that the Old Gods wanted Sargeras to step through the portal it gives some merit to the theory.
I doubt Sargeras fell or became corrupted by an old god that way. i prefer the explanationn that he became depressed because of the evil of demons and then came up with his own solution to the problem. Makes for a more interesting supervillain, than the usual old-god pawn story
KaptainKokosnoed It isnt a popular theory but you gotta admit it fits a little.
***** in that case, Sargeras is not trying to kill the Pantheon or the Titan race is he? Its simply the interference with nature done by the Titans that he is against, believing its ultimately responsible for the demons
it makes sense, many humans would feel the same way if we start creating new species that fuck up the whole system
Old gods came first and started the Curse of Flesh so they can assimilate the planet easier. The curse was aimed to corrupt non-fleshy creatures (titan creations). But Titans weren't there at the time of the Curse start hence no titan creations could be corrupted. I don't get this part.
Hi Nobbel, I intend to buy the entire book collection asap, and I want to start with the beginning ofc :D Where do I find the information regarding this particular piece of lore? titans -> old gods etc.
Depends on the view of it.
Sargeras felt a despair, some believe it was the Dreadlords, Mal'Ganis example, who poisoined his mind.
Some that it was simply the endless fighting against demons.
All in all, he began to see the work of the titans as wrong, that they were trying to change, what should not be changed, as it was made for a purpose.
If I should explain all of it, I'd need a lot more space than what youtube allow me :)
Hey Nobbel, can you do a lore video about the Naaru? If in the next expansion we'll have the mighty light-darkness battle, I think they will play a major role in that. Also how do they tie to the titans? Were they helping the titans in their crusade against the demons or were they created by the titans to watch over their worlds?
All of this was actually mentioned in the video (except that "whatever transformed Azshara and her highborn into naga" most likely was a old god whispering to them) but since you seemed a bit confused I though I might as well try to clarify, I hope it helped :)
Would it be possible that the titan that fell at 2:50 would be referring to Sargaras? How I imagine there way of saying "fell" is Sargaras beginning to have his doubts on the Titans and he was even entitled "The Fallen". I doubt I'm right but I thought I could share my thoughts, I love your videos Nobble87 can't wait to see more :)
Hmm I haven't heard anything about the universe, do you remember where you found that?
Ahh like that, yeah can see the comparisment.
Apparently there are seven Old Gods total on Azeroth, with four named, and three now dead (as N'Zoth is still around). But we can never truly know how many there are, as you're right, there could be many more out there in the universe.
We've already fought multiple Old Gods, though. The reason that the Titans didn't destroy the Old Gods was because they actually multiply when they are killed, which makes it smarter to just imprison them whole beneath Azeroth. Y'shaarj is supposed to be an Old God that was killed, but the Sha were formed as leftover remnants of him. Keep in mind, the titans were able to imprison these old gods, and Sargeras used to be their leader. He's a pretty dangerous enemy.
Does anyone have any suggested books read on this subject, I really want to get into this universe, but there are SOOOO many books; I do not know where to start,
If you're looking for titan/old god lore I'd start with the War of the Ancients trilogy.
Nobbel87 Even there you barely get any information,tbh if you want answers about the old gods then you should check the lore that the old gods are inspired from,H.P lovercraft the call of Cthulu,I bet a big parts from that lore exist in the universe of Azeroth,but that raise the question who is the equivlient to Azhazoth in Azeroth's universe,that being will have to be the most powerfull being in the universe.
Play game, clearly only for lore. Also read WoWWiki a lot, and don't forget to check if the information correct with other alike sources. Read books is good too, but they don't explain as much. But you surely shud read books ingame.
Oh and yeah, play all the Warcraft games, including 1 and 2.
Stormrage picks up the parts with the emerald dream
+John Keith I would play the game itself. Discover things that interest you, and pursue the information that comes with it. I've done it for 10 years, with more in-depth knowledge from the books as well.
I don't know if you have done this yet, but just in case you haven't already, can you make a lore video about the Mogu and their history with the Pandaren? I have a rudimentary knowledge of the subject, but would like to know the details.
Avatar the last airbender. oh gawd rly XD love that show
Who doesn't? :D
Awesome job mate!
Sargeras reminds me a bit of Sisyphus: he keeps banishing demons and keeping order within the universe, only for more demons and chaos to spring up again. It's no wonder he gave in to despair and turned against the Titans, I think anyone would if you had to carry out such futile work.
One of the Generals of the old gods was Thunderaan. You see him in the Legendary-Sword Quest for Thunderfury. Thunderaan was tricked by Ragnaros (after all both were rivals), entraped and his prison cut in 2 parts. Ragnaros gave those parts two 2 of his own generals. Lord Geddon and Garr. The elemental leaders, like Rangaros, served the old gods and are far from friendly (you saw that after Thunderaan was brought back)
that magazine or comic or poster or whatever it is, what is it called? (1:11) or where is that image taken from?
No the demons were actually in service of the titans, until Sargares became evil and created the Burning Legion (see the black harvest video ;)
I can :) Found it with Google, search term "titans azeroth."Placed a link in the description!
Yay! Understanding the recent Hearthstone expansion!
This was awesome!! Thank you!!
also, there's the slight factor of the Darkshore 'Old God'
You see, I didn't get the impression he was really an Old God. I think he was a great servant of the Old Gods.
Also, (at least in the vanilla days) Naga were along the coastline of Stranglethorn.
But who knows.
According to Chris Metzen on the last BlizzCon, there's something special about Azeroth which made it so desireable to the burning legion
could you later do a lore video about the dreadlords? sylvanas seems to be preparing for their return
This is some great stuff!
Sargeras's descent is pretty clearly defined as just despair and depression after years fighting demons.
When the well imploded it dragged everything around it down with it, including a large amount of elves and their queen. But as they were being dragged down into the depths, the queen heard a voice of a unknown being that promised them life in return for their aid when he needed it. The queen accepted and she and her people were transformed into the first of the Naga, causing them to survive. The remnants of the well can be still be found in the middle of the sea, in the form of the Maelstrom
Hey Nobbel. Just wanted to say that you should be on a radio or something, cuz your voice is perfect and cool to listen. [No homo] :D
6:17 from where this drawing/illustration comes from? are there any comics about titans ?