Suicide Squad Review (Non-Spoilers)
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- We have an all star team from Collider Video giving their non-spoiler review of DC FIlm's newest addition to their Expanded Cinematic Universe - 'Suicide Squad!' Here's John Campea, Kristian Harloff, Jon Schnepp, Mark Ellis and Dennis Tzeng with their non-spoiler thoughts on David Ayer's worst heroes ever.
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So DC is just gonna keep making divisive and messy theatrical cuts and then decide to make up for it with an Ultimate Cut? That can't become common. Its like giving a professor a bad rough draft as your initial essay, and then months later handing in a slightly better one with all the errors fixed and saying, "this one's better, forget the original."
I hope DC shapes up with what they put out in the theaters. SS was fun, but a mess. There's so much potential for the DC universe. I love the mythology. Love the comics.
As long as their flock is willing to accept mediocrity, they'll keep doing it.
+Ian Jackson grow up. It's opinions. Get over it. I love DC, just wanna see them do well.
I hate the idea of having to shell out extra for a completed movie that I paid to see in the first place. It's like buying Battlefront but then being told you need the DLC.
BlackGirlFly so true. Yea it is like a DLC. Nice comparison.
well said
Honestly I wish DC would get their shit together. These movies have sooooooo much potential and if the reports are true, then the top brass at WB is absolutely terrible.
Don't crank these movies out, don't over stuff these movies, develop characters, villains, story, and don't change the tone last minute! The tone is not the problem. Treat these properties right.
Character motivations and troubling narrative seem to be the running theme with these DC movies. Just focus on fixing that!
Lo Mi
WB is not giving up DC bro. haha
Truth
Film by committee works about as well as writing by committee, or anything done by committee. A bunch of people with ideas about right and wrong, vying to put their two cents in on a creative work. Let the director direct, let the editor edit. The suits will get money no matter what, so stop interfering in the process.
Yes. It is so strange that they don't get that. And you are correct that they always seem obsessed with "tone". Any movie type can be great whether it's light or dark or snarky or dramatic etc. They seem to skip over the make-a-great-movie part and concentrate on tone.
Johnnybtv3 thank you. Movies aren't great because of tone. They're great because of story and characters. That's what pulls you in as a viewer.
*UPDATE- Saw it. Without a doubt it's a mess, but with great moments/characters. My issue is that the entire thing feels rushed. Starts off great then boom, they're a team. There's no build up at all. I feel like there's a 1st act, then no real 2nd, and a really crappy 3rd one. The writing also sucks, so I believe the reports of it being written in 6 weeks. WB DEFINITELY meddled. There's a great cut in there. 6.5/10*
Seems like a fair review. Much appreciated. Watching it tomorrow night and can't wait! Look, I hate blind fanboys who immediately rage, but I do believe that SOME critics gotta be checked. Let me explain
A lot of the reviews have VALID negatives, but I've seen some that are absurd. "It glorifies violence", "HarleyQuinn, a female, is a constant sex object and is abused", etc. THESE ARE NOT VALID NEGATIVES!
As a reviewer, you have a voice. You're an influence. You either telling people to go or not go to a movie where people worked hard on. You need to be professional and you need to be fair!
this guy gets it
"HarleyQuinn, a female, is a constant sex object and is abused", etc. THESE ARE NOT VALID NEGATIVES! "
Seems pretty valid because that's not her character in the comics.
Harley Quinn as a character does have some sexuality issues but I've not seen the film so I can't say how this version handles it. I'm nervous from what I've heard though
+byteresistor that sounds exactly like her character
Even tho I hated bvs I don't think it deserves 27/100. It's more of a 40/100. Some critics are just way to harsh on the movie however they have so many valid arguments. I'm still gonna see this on Friday, I've been waiting for this since 2010 and the fact that I got to see this movie get shot in my hometown of Toronto plus it comes out on my birthday so I think I'm gonna really love suicide squad either way.
"I give up on DC" - fanboys
lol no you're not. You'll still be first in line when Wonder Woman and Justice League come out. Don't be just as melodramatic as the DC fanboys are being right now.
people act like there gonna die if they go see a movie with mixed reviews
I give up after justice league. Seriously Zack Snyder has made 3 DC films and their all bad. If he fucks up again I'm boycotting DC until they reboot.
Who said that?
I don't want I watch this, but who said that?
+The Punisher good for you
When Jai Courtney is a stand-out in your movie...you know it has a lot of problems
Lmao. I heard that crap also. I'll pass.
No one ever said Jai was THE standout
+Captain Boomerang people said he was good yes I'm very aware. But this dude just said a standout. I'm
Educated.
+Captain Boomerang I'm sorry. :/ forgive me Boomer
The collider crew can't be taken seriously. The only negative reaction to the film as a whole was Ellis saying he "didn't love it". Grow a pair and have an opinion. This movie was awful. None of the characters had arcs, the story was awful and nonsensical, and every character was presented as a caricature. No one thought or acted in ways that are consistent with their personalities. The film looked boring, the CGI came straight out of the 90s, and the music choices were cringworthy. If these "film buffs" can't be objective because they have relationships with people in the industry, why should anyone take them seriously?
How the hell did Ghostbusters end up being better than Suicide Squad?
To be fair it was a good movie
Ghostbusters wasn't bad, so long as you had your expectations adjusted accordingly. Most people didn't, however.
Ghostbusters was absolute garbage, i got tricked into seeing it with all the positive reviews.
+biggie321hp It was terrible.. cash grab which got good reviews because.. "critics"
It didn't. most criitics just wanted to be on a "right side of the history".
So they basically watered down Harley and Joker's relationship. Not even an indication of how abusive he is to her. Sigh.. I knew they weren't bold enough to go for that aspect of the character.
What the hell are you talking about? Of course they show it, but it's not the point of the movie. Go watch it before you complain.
Omar Nope, they cut out the scene where Joker slaps her, as well as a couple other scenes with the Joker.
+Omar Why pay for shit? Dude can just eat a burger and make a more impressive masterpiece.
ThunderGod Kiyro770 What do you mean nope? You haven't even seen the film. I have, A friend got me into a fan screening. It's there and its part of her origin. I'm not sure what slap scene your referring to as it wasn't in any of the trailers and I don't remember it being in the film. Your'e a disgrace to wally west, go away.
+Omar Cause they cut it out. And no, I'm not going to go away. You have your opinion and I have mine. I just think WB was afraid to delve deeper into their relationship.
If Schnepp loves it, that's all i need to know.
Yup, Schnepp is the biggest comic book nerd so even though it kinda irked me how he totally bashed on BvS, i respected his opinion. You could tell that it genuinely bothered him that Superman and Batman weren't given the movie that they deserved and that he was not just hating like most of the other critics. In this video, he's almost giddy just talking about Suicide Squad so that makes me very excited!
+DrWeeWe Schnepp liked the team, not the film. Where are DCs great villains I'm wondering?
+BlackGirlFly he gave it an 8/10. This was a movie full of villains. Don't tell me you think Marvels villains are better?
schnepp knows more about comics more than the rest and if he says he likes it it's good, the rest are getting to carried away with themselves and showing their inner fanboy, do they take the piss like this with all marvels villains? I pray for the day someone does it with a mcu movie can you imagine their faces, everyone in studio would lose their shit,
he had to tone down his criticism intentionally so as to avoid DC trolls.
Kristian Harloff - 5/10
Mark Ellis - 5.9/10
John Campea - 6.5/10
Dennis Tzeng - 7/10
Jon Schnepp - 8/10
Overall: 6.5/10
Suicide Squad delivers an entertaining time at the movies, but the narrative issues that plague the film prevent it from reaching its full potential.
Much better than Rotten Tomatoes isn't it?
Hell if Jon Schnepp fucking likes this movie and also hated BvS that's all I need to know lol
yeah im like wait what?
He went in with 0 expectations
but thats what you gotta do
Schnepp loved the Ultimate Edition. Pay Attention
Ryan Gregory yeah i know he did but he hated the theatrical version so for him to love this movie is a big huge thing
I give up on DC...until Wonder Women...JL? Flash? Aquaman? NO CYBORG WILL SAVE THE DCEU THATS WHEN THE DCEU BEGINS!
your everywhere
Jeff Manqele yeah gotta use my day off of work to chill
Do you really have faith in Wonder Woman??? remember we still haven't seen Gadot really acting in this part. Their choice of placing the movie in WW1, probably having Ares as the villain... I don't see it working.
Vee Herbo I'm a fish...
Vlad Bayard naw it's a joke lol
You know something strange is going on when the director of Doctor Strange is defending Suicide Squad.
Or he's s fan boy himself and he wants people to see what the movie is like himself.
How about everything doesn't have to be Marvel vs DC... that's what DC fanboys fail to realize
+Greg B and this is the type of comment marvel fanboys make
Maybe Scott derrickson is just a fan of both. Shit man before bvs came out there was no marvel vs DC shit this is all because of that movie.
+LA FLAME false, people crapped all over MoS and compared it to Marvel despite the film clearly not making those allusions and being very beloved to many people.
I mainly listen to these guys, Jeremy Jahns and Chris Stuckman the most when it comes to reviews and at least they liked it even though they added the negativities. Some of you people let RT influence you guys. Glad this film has a better mixed bag of reviews than BvS
Same. Although I also listen to Mr Sunday Movies :D
+Shar S grab dat gem!
Lool I know. These guys are really something else man haha. I saw on MULTIPLE video comments that Chris Stuckman loved that movie. And when I went and checked the review out it was a FUCKING C !!! They need to explain that nonsense to me.
Dude. What's it matter to you if someone checks RT to see an audience consensus? If I see a film on RT with a high score, I'm gonna watch it that's just a natural response. Don't be salty that others didn't like the movie. What you have heard from the reviewers from whom you seek validation is that the film is a *hot mess* and its only highlights are characters who got the most development because they're egotistical attention seekers (Will Smith) or acclaimed Emmy winning actresses (Viola Davis). Literally the only good thing that's been said about this film is that the team is funny but its also been stated that you spend the first 30 minutes showing how "bad" these characters are just to swop it around to gain sympathy and force certain characters to have sudden remorse for plot convenience. What you've heard is that Joker is under utilized despite the heavy (and albeit controversial) marketing towards him in the film. What you've heard is that the action in the last third of this movie is lackluster full of CGI what have you light show spectacle akin to Fant4stic. What you've heard is that this film is mediocre but that you should buy your ticket via AMC and get charged extra for concession when you could easily make your own gotdamn popcorn and watch clips of the team online seeing as that that's the only good aspect to this "disappointing" film. - Chris Stuckmann
+nph53 it doesn't matter. It definitely wasn't the same as BvS though now wasn't it?
Kristian didn't like all this boom boom music, showing his age a bit lol. (get off my lawn)
It was a joke, jesus😤
+Bing Bong lol, triggered much?
Nope! Just exasperation 😧
Haha, I was thinking the same thing.
pop music is thrash get over it
I trust you all's reviews on films...just wanted to let you know that. I anticipate hearing your opinions because I find it fits the closes with my thoughts on a movie more than other critics. Thanks for all the great work!
Enchantress is the villain and she does a dance in the end. Diablo and Slipknot dies. Joker is barely in the movie and batman is in flashbacks only. He never talks to joker. This movie is a piece of shit.
lmfao
Thanks for the goddamn spoilers idiot, at least Chris Stuckmann gave a warning
+Jayden Leonard Just saved you money.
+Cory Leigh Sadly the truth.
YOU FUCKER
Last time I was this early, Harambe was still alive.
hahhahaha
Isn't Harambe the lead in Black Panther?
no, you are thinking of M'Baku The Man-Ape. Badass mother he is!
u guys lost my respect a little bit. this movie wasn't good at all.
The film is good but has some flaws:
1)The third act is the direct result of the Studio's interference. It's so weak.
2)You can see there were some reshoots. There are scenes in the trailers that weren't in the movie. Some of the good stuff.
3)Stop with the Blu-Ray version. Why can't we go and see a movie without something has been cut out? It's so annoying.
It's a 8/10
Worth money?
Yeah I really liked it, this guys comments are pretty spot on, villain is atrocious but the actual squad makes up for it
I think they made the movie too long so they had to cut out loads of scenes
+yahya Rajaee What scenes were cut in the trailer??? also WB is the activision of the movie world, cutting shit from the final product to sale it later
I think it's kinda funny that marvel movies never have good villains yet no one says a thing. 🤔
That's literally the number one complaint of Marvel movies from both critics and fans. It's mentioned in most reviews, specially from these guys. I just wish villains in general get better in these big franchises.
+supernelvs I think Ledger did such a breathtaking job he ruined it for anyone else .
+Darewin Ocampo the story for civil war was pretty bad too, I enjoyed it overall
Loki was fantastic what do you mean?
+John Ninnymug There's a good Riddler movie just begging to be made.
What I love about this team. They have no issue with disagreeing with each other and still being amicable.
I think the mission should have been little more simple. Them sneaking into war torn country trying to stop a dictator who has nukes and has hired some pretty bad meta humans/mercenaries lead by Deathstroke himself. Now that is what the Suicide Squad was made for.
Plz DC fans sign this petition
www.change.org/p/warner-brothers-studios-give-dc-their-own-studio-warner-bros-if-you-can-t-give-them-freedom?recruiter=479631594&
I thought it was better than Civil war
😂😂😂cw is the best..stop crying cz every dc movie flop
+mueed adnan civil war was garbage
+A lot of Bleach u must be on some really good crack!!!!
+A lot of Bleach stop smoking weed...
+A lot of Bleach Really since most recent Dc movies were complete fucking shit.
Guardians essentially had a greatest hits throughout the movie too though. Sure they incorporated it into the Starlord's story but you know the music is only there to help carry the film. It's funny how some movies get passes and some don't.
Great review guys. My favourite thing about the collider reviews is the fact that you have more than one reviewer. It makes for an interesting reviewing being able to see the different interpretation on certain aspect of the films.
One thing though, I feel like you spoiled who the villain was by your description of the person, specifically their mannerisms but other than that. It's a fair review, it was also nice to see you didn't sink to the level of some critics by being outright rude and disrespectful by saying shitty things.
It really feels like John never even left. That's a good thing by the way.
Technically metahumans include people who have distorted looks, enhanced abilities, or supernatural weaponry. So technically Deadshot (never misses), Harley Quinn (changed and being able to pretty fight as she does), Katana's sword, etc. Would make them metahumans.
Deadshot trained for his Accuracy.....so nope
I guess SS's Harley has some enhanced abilities because of the chemicals.
Two-Face Actually yep. You must not read many comics. Plenty of times people in the comic was just a human but could do incredible stuff was thrown with the metahuman mix. It happened a lot before DC started really defining the idea of metahumans
Kutlu Mızrak It counts because she's using a weapon with supernatural/magical abilities. They really count stuff like this in the comics when only that person can use the weapon or gear. Which more than likely only she can.
The big fat sweaty comic guy loved!! And that's all it matters.
yes, sir!
finally a panel discussion that was two sides of the coin and respectful... no unnecessary batching and praising. love this panel discussion guys.I am fan again!
the villan cant be worse than ultron francis and doomsday
it is the bad guy is a evil belly dancer
+The Punisher but one is clearly a satanic belly dancer and the other will be in the upcoming power rangers movie
she is worse, i can see ultron's motiviation; dont understand hers
Ugh get over Ultron. He wasn't bad, he was funny, charming and psychotic. A living embodiment of his creator. Its the movie that couldn't support him. Not enough development.
@blackgirlfly, Ultron was pathetic. All he did was get his ass kicked. Another weak villain.
Feels great to have The Collider Good Fellas assembled once again, led by Supreme Leader Campea: You guys Love what you do & we appreciate you sharing that with us viewers!!!
I was seriously considering not seeing this flick because of the reviews I've looked over thus far...which have brought me crashing down to earth after the stellar trailers got me sky-high optimistic. After seeing this well-rounded review, I'm back on the bandwagon to see this film!! Schnepp's & Harloff's POVs are a great litmus test of how one may feel about the movie...I think it'll ease the fears of some who may think their opinions are too extreme.
I've subscribed to you guys for the past 3-4yrs & you guys always deliver!!! Keep up the great work!!!
John.?.... something changed about you since the last time you reviewed sucide squad... but i cant say what exactly
I think he shaved.
😂
Great review as usual, and also as usual a spread of scores and opinions, which is what i would expect as not everyone is going to like the same film. Can't wait to see it Friday in IMax, and hope i'm more on Schnepp's side as opposed to Kristians' side. Keep up the great work guys. Would be interesting to see what villains make it in to other DC movies.
When will the BvS commentary be out???
I don't think critics are intentionally bias. They've had years to build up a liking to Marvel characters and all of a sudden getting thrown into a movie like Suicide Squad. If DC had a slow build up like Marvel where you introduce the world, the big players, THEN make Suicide Squad they may have been less critical.
Looks like this will be a decisive film. I'm still looking forward to this movie.
I trust this review more than any other review out there, mostly because of Schnepp and Campea. I have been following them since the AMC days, and their opinion carries weight for me.
They introduced the characters in the animated Arkham movie to music as well, if it's similar to this then I will be fine with it.
Different story but you'll still recognize a thing or two that were drawn from Assault on Arkham.
Just right on!! Perfect and precise. Why i love collider and the crew!!
I heard there was Fant4stic like drama between WB and David Ayer, anyone know if it's true?
Here's an article from the Hollywood Reporter that discusses some of the drama: www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/suicide-squads-secret-drama-rushed-916693
Harloff had a problem with the soundtrack saying the songs didn't fit
with the movie but didn't say anything about the soundtrack in GOTG? Also, bitching about how wack the villan was, but will never say anything about the MCU villans which are just as bad?? Jeez. I wouldn't take much notice on what these guys say. The only thing Harloff and Ellis know and never shut up about is Star Wars.
I just don't understand why WB billed Jared Leto 2nd after Will Smith even tho he's not even in the movie that long. Like for fucks sake The Joker was the main reason I was excited for this movie.
Wasnt Mark Hamill second billed in Starwars force Awakens?
+Brynjar Reynisson yeah that pissed me off to. FALSE ADVERTISING.
From the reviews I watched I got the impression that the Joker isn't in it as much as we think...
+Brynjar Reynisson That's true but he wasn't in the marketing at all. Meanwhile Joker was on all the trailers, posters, and tv spots.
Because the story is not about him. He's even barely in the SS comics
The way Kristian responded to Suicide Squad's soundtrack is similar to how I responded to Guardians of the Galaxy's soundtrack; other than ''Come and Get Your Love," I thought every pop song was shoved in haphazardly.
RIP DCEU 2013-2016
Green Lantern 2011
Sure
Keep telling yourself that while the rest of us look forward to Wonder Woman and Justice League.
I bet you have seen suicide squad yet jeez what for the audience score
* havent *
watching it tonight, still can't wait, Ive really enjoyed DC's latest films (bvs, mos,) so I'm optimistic. I'm glad to hear that the team have good chemistry as that was the thing I was most worried about. good honest review though guys
Btw This review just proved Collider has sucked ass without Campea these last months. Just shut it down if you can't find guys like him.
I like every body on collider. Yeah I miss John. I love the chemistry between everyone on collider. Just my feeling.
Denies is the one who need to go he's so annoying
He works in the same building for the same people god lol
+Entertainment Glutton totally agree, I hate when campea appears on these shows.
I trust schnepp's opinion more then campea's
I don't like that he left. Other people praised his absence, which I just don't get.
Guys,
Just wanted to say I appreciate all of your thorough feedback on the film. You all seem to dance on the line of possibly spoiling but did an excellent job at not spoiling any aspect of the film. I plan to take the children to a matinee tomorrow. Once again thanks for what came off to me as a very, very, honest and realistic review.
Cheers!
campea why did you say on your podcast that you gave it an 8 when you actually gave it a 6.5 here??
He does that often. He did it with BvS. Gave it an 8, then reduced it to 6.5. He probably thought he was doing the same review video.
jorgiebutt his podcast was done after this review & he said "I said in our review that I gave it an 8 out of 10" umm is he just confused or something? Lol
It takes some time for him to really gather his thoughts. AT 1st he really liked Star Wars Episode 1 but after a while he did a 180 and realized he wasn't being honest with himself so you gotta give him some time before he settles on an official score
He has every right to second guess himself. They are his thoughts, and his alone which means that we don't owe him squat in regards to take that opinion seriously.
I'm not saying he changed his mind, I'm saying he was wrong in remembering what he said...
Thank you Schnepp and Dennis! 8 and 7 is good enough for me.
I think it's safe to say that marvel is better currently
THE DCEU has had 3 movies now, Marvel has had 13 movies. Clearly Marvel is better
a not wrong fanboy though
Like. Marvel Takes the fun over the top sometimes. But at least makes way better job with the storyline and the writing
+Dont Worry except for III. the solar guy was corny but who doesnt remember, "Miss Tessmacher!"
Happy that everyones on this review
Yeah Campea is back!
I saw a screening in May this wasn't the same movie I saw. Why do studios interfere with the creative process so much.
The movie stinks
Collider crew... the only movie critique personnel that matters to me.
the best crew
as soon as i heard that john said he loved it got me so excited to see it!
movie fucking sucks.
you've never seen it so stfu kid
Says someone that makes movies himself. Hahahahha. Take a chill pill son.
+Adam Aguy Wow you make movies? hahaha People on the Internet are the best
When did you see the movie?only the press saw it... Are you The press?
Its not only the press, some people overseas have seen it already.
Genuinely shocked that shnepp loved suicide squad, I was looking forward to to see him ripping the movie apart
John Campea, if you listened closely, you would know that the discussion about "Meta humans" was not about "Task Force X" but instead about the "Specific characters" in the "Folder" in the "ending credits". Task Force X was simply her point of reference/Answer to " How can you control the Meta humans ?" this point was made during the dinner scene and the conference room scene.
I don't get how movies like The Fast and Furious movies get so much love but they are basically music videos that have horrible plots. Then movies like this and BvS get crapped on so much.
+Ethan Thomas right like BvS was as dumb as FF but it took its self so serious
You guys know that they all have meta human powers right.
Cap Boomerang - Ability to create boomerangs out of pure energy
Harley Quinn - Enhanced strength and stamina
deads
Katana - Ability to capture the soul of every being it kills and communicate with that soul, including that of her deceased husband
The only non meta human are Deadshot & Flagg.
schnepps opinion just makes me more excited to see this movie
Thanks guys for that little bit of sanity & smiles in whats been a very toxic two days
This is why i trust collider the most with the reviews
5, 5.9, 6.5, 7, 8 average to good is the best we can hope for now, I miss Burton and Nolan doing DC movies.. At this point give the CW tv shows a Earth 2 movie and they might do better, DC you have failed this city.
Thanks for the reviews Collider, i will still see it this weekend hoping i enjoy it.
Reddit has shown tweet of someone who saw both versions of Suicide Squad. One from May and then June. The May version was waaay better =(
john i totally respect what youve built in the movie talk show from amc to collider. you really have made an amazing mark, and ive been a fan since the VERY beginning. that being said, even though you are still the "commander in chief" behind the scenes, i find it a bit disrespectful to the current hosts and panel members when a major event comes up (like a tent-pole film, etc,) and you're once again the host for that episode. not saying i dont want to see you, but let the guys you gave the regins to actually host the show that we know them to be the host of. come and be the panel member for the big stuff (your input is always great to hear). i love seeing ya, but i love to see the hosts be the hosts....not the guy who used to be the host commandeer the ship when a big event comes along. no disrespect. still love ya pal.
Accumulated Collider gave this movie a 6.84 out of 10. Higher than BvS. Thats worth going to see. Basically you can have fun with this movie, but if your a deep movie buff that looks at every detail. You got to realize this movie is for a younger audience. They are speaking of rated R for part 2 if the rating and gross is good.
I just watched the thing. I'd say people hate on these films because they think comic book movies can only be the way marvel makes em... Start appreciating things done differently... I agree there are story issues with the film but it doesn't deserve the reviews it's getting. BTW I love marvel movies as well.
I just got back from watching Suicide Squad, and it was a blast! Ignore the haters and movie critics, they're just mad because they still think comics are for kids (a perpetual stereotype in Western countries). This ain't some family friendly Disney film, fuck that shit (language! oops, sorry Cap). People die in this movie, there are consequences for your actions in this movie and innocent bystanders become casualties, like you would expect in the real world. Now some people didn't like the editing, especially at the beginning of the movie, but if you look at it like you're watching a comic book it makes sense. Hey, if Quentin Tarantino can do it with 'Kill Bill', then Bill Ayers can do it with Suicide Squad. I'm not about to bring any spoilers, but I will say that Jared Leto's Joker is way "over the top" and that's a damn good thing. Go watch the movie and see for yourself, it's well worth the $13.
Well Schnepp's and Campea's opinion is all that matters to me. Schnepp a true DC guy so I have faith for Friday.
So happy to see John Campea in this review. Love your contribution to the panel John
Great discussion. Fair reasons and arguments all around. Appreciate the insight heading into the film!
I cannot fathom how the average movie goer is able discern messy narrative and incoherent editing, while the producers and editors, and even the studio executives, seem to completely ignore those obvious negatives and release a film in that condition. It defies reason.
wonder how long till Kevin Tsujihara is fired ,under his reign as President since 2013 WB has put out - BVS,Suicide Squad,Jupiter Ascending,Pan,Transcendence,Vacation,etc.
According to to The Hollywood Reporter, as referenced by Matt Goldberg on Collider's site, our worst fears about Warner Bros. interfering with the movie's tone and the reshoots harming the film were correct.
It's great to see John Campea back leading a Collider panel. Huge fan.
for those who laugh for the Enchantress's dance, please remember that she was 6k years old.
back in her time, i think her old tribe or her community or something sure had some kind of
ritual to summon a powerful entity or mythical power.
and her jiggle probably is her ritual.
u can not just call the mythical power by a simple word, all ancient and old tribes in the world have
dance ritual for that, some by a song.
Just got back from a screening of Suicide Squad and Margot Robbie is the embodiment of the animated Harley Quinn, look wise, brought to life. Watching her at times was amazingly scary.
Jai Courtney looking at Harloff the whole time shocked that he complemented his acting
I agree with almost everything Schnepp says here, Kristian seems like his expectations were just set way too high. I loved it for what it was which is a fun action/comedy, I'd give it either a 7 or 8/10
its interesting how most of the Collider panel rated BvS positive while schenpp did not, and with SS, most of their ratings are negative or mixed and his is the highest
Why is a critic's opinion more important than the average person
Great review guys, you guys always kill it, stoked to see this tomorrow!
What'd u think?
We're not gonna talk about that dude on AGT last night totally getting shot in the throat on live tv and almost choking to death...
how's that related?
+Roberto Sauma just a thing I was thinking about.
hey! COLLIDER! .. this panel made me think "God this channel its good"
Schneep loved it I'm excited coming from him of all people
Love hearing all of you guys opinions!
Excellent review guys. From 5 to 8 I can't argue with the opinions. sits at a 7.5 for me. The Skwad works, I loved "The Wall" and am thankful of the tweak to Joke and Harley.
Great job Collider All-Stars. Jon Schnepp you're the man. im sure my reaction to this film will be similar to yours
WB needs to let the director's original vision for the film stand. In regards to Suicide Squad, most of the negative reviews I've read have all pertained to the editing of the film. WB wanted a lighter tone whereas David Ayer wanted a more somber tone. The director was ultimately forced into a situation where he had to compromise his original vision to meet the studio's demand.
This could easily be the most non-bias fair review of positive and negatives. I haven't seen it but at least they used the words this is "my opinion" instead of making it a fact although the one thing that does seem to be a fact is the bad narrative and script in the film. Can't wait to see it tomorrow pretty sure I'm gonna have similar views to Dennis and Schnepp in terms of enjoyment
6:35 That's all I needed to hear. Schnepp's 8/10 + Jeremy Jahns' _Worth Buying on Blu-ray_ = I'm content. 😊😃 And they gave BvS really negative reviews and still thought this was a pretty awesome movie.
Looks like WB/DC should hire you guys as a focus group for their next debacle. Maybe your suggestions can fix their ongoing issues.
It was good not great. Characters were all brilliant but villain was bad. Story and editing were what messed it up. 7/10
These videos will be up forever, so it will be interesting to see how these movies - Marvel + DC - stand the test of time + how prescient the reviewers comments will sound in, say, 5 years time, cos I'm old enough to remember of how gleeful the original the Star Wars prequels were received.
I'm with Schnepp, 8/10. There's mess, weak third act but the characters were great. This is not like TMNT, Transformers, BvS, GL or Fantastic 4 no matter what critics say.
I really loved Batman V Superman but that's my thoughts but I'm looking forward to Suicide Squad.
Just out of seeing it myself, most of what has been said here is pretty fair (factoring your own tolerances and preferences on top of course), and score wise I'd probably go 6.75 (assuming 5 is average, 7.5 is really good and 10 is perfect).
All the characters are fun, and assuming you can make some jumps in logic you'll have a decent time. The villian is horrendous though (a combo of Doctor Doom from last years Fantastic Four and Gover from Ghostbusters), not just itself but basically everything surrounding it is sucked in too, it is a shame but I had the same idea as Kristian where if you made this movie again with Joker as the primary antagonist (and cutting the budget way down in the process, as this movie looks way more expensive than it needed to be) you could rather easily fix most of the big issues. But it is competent edited and flows pretty well (I do agree with Kristian again that the barrage of licensed music was too much, although it didn't end up sullying it as much for me as it did him I agree just letting the score do its work would have been preferable) and is my favourite of the 3 current crop of DC's movies... it just diesn't quite transcend the genre it is apart of and ends up being a mostly solid superhero flick.
So yeah, not quite doom and gloom, but it also could have been a bit better