What I don't understand, is why they wouldn't let YOU bring in some hardware to plug into their system. Like an additional speaker management system, to give you that additional processing channel to put a delay on the end subs, and to be able to high pass the speakers. Damn, if you showed up at my event, it would be, "Hey, what do you need?". Seriously. Have a good one. Carl
Yea totally. What I also don’t understand. Whose spec’ing these miss-matched systems on gigs and not have this ready for the engineer when they arrive?
@@harryps3 Hey Harry, yeah, it's always interesting how that works out. In this case it's everything that owner of the system had. They bought the subs especially because they are very low and fit underneath some stage that he owns. Everyone has their reasons. Our job is just to make it work. :)
Great Stuff!!! I suspect some of the concepts I struggled to understand are in future modules of the training but I think I caught most of the thought process behind what you were doing. Is there a way of importing performance data for the EV subs into Mapp 3D or did you just use an equivalent MeyerSound sub?
Hi JD! Have you made it to the end of Module 2, yet? Gradient subs are covered there. > Is there a way of importing performance data for the EV subs into Mapp 3D No, I just picked something that was about the right size box.
If the low frequency cancelation in VIP area was the most important, I would rather setup supercardioid pattern, but than you get little more noise on the stage. Those T4's has small woofer. Just 8" and needs to be highpassed at about 100Hz. Unfortunately there is no highpass setup on those speakers, and no RD net control that is possible in newer models. what was processing added for rear facing subs? for this type of configuration, there needs to be delay, phase reverse, gain reduction and limiters threshold reduction. Will you share your values?
Hey Palo, great tip! A supercardioid pattern would have been even better for the VIP area. > needs to be highpassed at about 100Hz How did you decide on that value? > Will you share your values? Shoot, I don't think I have them. But, I do have the MAPP3D file if you'd like to look at that. sendanywhe.re/86P5A9QM
@@nathanlively we did used T8's and I spoke about the crossover point with distributor and service techniker about recommended crossover for tham, and we booth agreed on 100Hz, once, I forgot to apply crossover, and one bass speaker has broken. Other benefit is you get much greater headroom for lower mids.
Hey Manu, in terms of total rejection? I think so, yes. The in-line version allows you to manipulate the spacing and tune the effective bandwidth to best match the speaker's operating range.
Hi Cedric! If you try both ways in your modeling software, you'll see the result pretty quickly. If you draw a line interesting both drivers, that's where the null will end up. Check out Mauricio's presentation at Live Sound Summit for more on this: livesoundsummit2020.sounddesignlive.com/talks/modern-variable-directivity-techniques-in-subwoofer-arrays/
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Great job, man! Love it.
Hey you inspired me with your last video!
As always, you are versatile, Nathan! Appreciate.
My pleasure!
fantastic video!
What I don't understand, is why they wouldn't let YOU bring in some hardware to plug into their system. Like an additional speaker management system, to give you that additional processing channel to put a delay on the end subs, and to be able to high pass the speakers. Damn, if you showed up at my event, it would be, "Hey, what do you need?". Seriously. Have a good one. Carl
Yea totally. What I also don’t understand. Whose spec’ing these miss-matched systems on gigs and not have this ready for the engineer when they arrive?
Oh, I'm sure they would have. I was just trying to keep it as simple as possible. Also, I like a bit of a challenge. :)
@@harryps3 Hey Harry, yeah, it's always interesting how that works out. In this case it's everything that owner of the system had. They bought the subs especially because they are very low and fit underneath some stage that he owns. Everyone has their reasons. Our job is just to make it work. :)
@@nathanlively Absolutely and you do a bloody good job at it Nathan
More gear and more setup also equals more cost
Great Stuff!!! I suspect some of the concepts I struggled to understand are in future modules of the training but I think I caught most of the thought process behind what you were doing. Is there a way of importing performance data for the EV subs into Mapp 3D or did you just use an equivalent MeyerSound sub?
Hi JD! Have you made it to the end of Module 2, yet? Gradient subs are covered there.
> Is there a way of importing performance data for the EV subs into Mapp 3D
No, I just picked something that was about the right size box.
what is the distance between each stack of the subs
Hey Roshan, it's been a bit since I worked on that design. Looks like about 6 inches?
If the low frequency cancelation in VIP area was the most important, I would rather setup supercardioid pattern, but than you get little more noise on the stage. Those T4's has small woofer. Just 8" and needs to be highpassed at about 100Hz. Unfortunately there is no highpass setup on those speakers, and no RD net control that is possible in newer models. what was processing added for rear facing subs? for this type of configuration, there needs to be delay, phase reverse, gain reduction and limiters threshold reduction. Will you share your values?
Hey Palo, great tip! A supercardioid pattern would have been even better for the VIP area.
> needs to be highpassed at about 100Hz
How did you decide on that value?
> Will you share your values?
Shoot, I don't think I have them. But, I do have the MAPP3D file if you'd like to look at that.
sendanywhe.re/86P5A9QM
@@nathanlively we did used T8's and I spoke about the crossover point with distributor and service techniker about recommended crossover for tham, and we booth agreed on 100Hz, once, I forgot to apply crossover, and one bass speaker has broken. Other benefit is you get much greater headroom for lower mids.
You`ll get better results with the in line setup than the front- back setup?
Hey Manu, in terms of total rejection? I think so, yes. The in-line version allows you to manipulate the spacing and tune the effective bandwidth to best match the speaker's operating range.
Nice vidéo, great tips there. Can you explain why you reversed the top sub and not the other way round?
Hi Cedric! If you try both ways in your modeling software, you'll see the result pretty quickly. If you draw a line interesting both drivers, that's where the null will end up. Check out Mauricio's presentation at Live Sound Summit for more on this: livesoundsummit2020.sounddesignlive.com/talks/modern-variable-directivity-techniques-in-subwoofer-arrays/