Still not even close to enough, though, for instance, the only male marvel hero, who got their own movie… Who also didn’t have a love interest… Was Shang Chi.
Also Asian men are all competitive with one another. So it doesn't help that we're always trying to get on top of one another instead of lifting each other up.
Well the problem is that the entertainment industry in the West is controlled by or run mainly by liberal Jews and they will make false claims that they are not racist and use another excuse it won’t sell if they use Asian male actors.
Sadly for He Quan and many Asian actors back in the 80s and 90s, there weren't that many lead roles for them in Hollywood. Most roles for Asians back in those days were mostly token Asian person, love interest (only applied to female Asians) or playing a villain. For the youngsters out there, Jackie Chan actually tried to make it in Hollywood in the early 80s before he gave up and went back to Hong Kong and became a big star. He made two Hollywood produced films in the early 80s and both of them tanked at the box office. They tried to make him into a combination of Bruce Lee and Clint Eastwood and it didn't work.
@@bigbigdog If you're alive and know of Jackie Chan back in the 70s, then I'll take your words for it. I was very young in the 80s and grew up in Southeast Asia and Chan aka Zern Loung, was the king of action star. I saw The Protector in Thailand, his last Hollywood produced film and I didn't really like it.
@@Bluboy30 Yes, check out "Snake in the Eagle's Shadow" and "Drunken Master". Later he got even bigger with the "Police Story" and "Project A" series in the 80s.
@@bigbigdog Brah, I've seen ALL of Chan's films from the 70s, 80s and 90s. Drunken Master is one of my favorite Chan's films. He decided to make Police Story because he didn't like how The Protector turned out. The Protector was directed by an American director and Chan didn't see eye to eye with him. In fact, Chan re-edited the film for the Asian markets.
@@albback8176 Well, maybe to you and many people here in the West. But to many of us that were born in the Far East, Jackie Chan was the king of box office many years before Rush Hour came out. The only reason he decided to come back to Hollywood was because his friend Sly Stallone convinced him to do it. In fact, his two Hong Kong produced films, Rumble in the Bronx and Super Cop opened in 1996 and 1997 respectively. Both films did well at the box office and in 1998, Rush Hour opened and Chan became a super star here in the West.
When Joy Luck Club came out, I thought that it was pretty cool at first. But then I wondered if Hollywood would have allowed for a similar movie humanizing asian men at that time, and the answer was no. The west is more inclusive towards Asian women in general, while Asian men are more likely to be seen as perpetual foreigners. It’s slowly changing now, but there’s much more room for improvement.
Let's be honest ever since Hollywood saw Bruce Lee they decided they weren't going to allow an east asian men to be represented positively in society because they saw that Bruce Lee wanted a better future for actors that looked like him. Even during the silent film era they were keen on using east asian actors as main characters to be villfied and once they used them they basically disposed of them
Bruce Lee had to faced the same racism. Bruce Lee made out well in Hong Kong in Golden Harvest production in block buster movies such as, among favorites, Enter The Dragon 🐉
Been livestreaming on twitch off and on and now I'm starting to devote a lot more time to it. This year one of my goals is to start making youtube videos as well and you guys are a huge inspiration to me. I appreciate all the hard work you guys and your team puts into this content
Rajiv Surendra reminded me of that feeling where you thought you aced the test but get a 67. But at least he's doing something he's passionate for! Hope to see him in a cameo of some sorts LOL
If you guys have ever watched Bruce lee story back in the 90s you'll see how he struggle.. to get into the Hollywood and they only took him because he's incredible in martial art. That was the green Hornet series where they dont want him to take off his mask because people don't want to see his chinese eyes. Bruce went back to China to make movies and becomes more successful there with movies like way of the dragon before they finally acknowledge him and people misses the green Hornet guy which asian can only play only as a sidekick in the Hollywood not as the "main character" thats right being an Asian you can only play a sidekick role. So when they acknowledge Bruce finally made a stand to his last movie enter the dragon. Linda was very supportive and love Bruce so much no matter the racist he face in school but it gotta put a tears in your eyes when Bruce was gonna go to China and maybe live there because he has an argument with Linda that Bruce is not gonna be a star because he's just a little China man..they were in debt and losing money but Linda just loves her husband. It wasn't just a different culture argument. All I know is the standard in Hollywood is youths speak English like American because many viewers tends to mock accents even Stallone and Arnold was mocked let alone Asians. Secondly..usa people tends to lose interest once they see the American show is lead actored by asian maybe it was the looks, height and physical standards that they dont think asian is not qualified. One thing is for sure..3rd and 4rth citizens are Asians and hispanic, immigrants while battling for top 1 and 2nd are dark and light Americans it doesn't matter..any of them can get the main character roles and usa will support them.
Andrew hit the nail on the head when he said that the entertainment industry is all about capitalism. In the past, Hollywood did care about catering to any Asian people. There was no "Asian market" or "Chinese market." But now there is. I think in Hollywood, one huge game changer was the Transformers franchise, because that was huge in China. The studio made billions of dollars in China alone. So Hollywood started to make more and more movies to appeal to the Asian market. And that then led to films such as Crazy Rich Asians and Shang Chi. Then on television, you had Fresh Off the Boat and Squid Game becoming huge hits. And there was no way Disney would've put out a live action Mulan movie back in the 1980s. It would've been too big of a gamble. But today? They know they could make up the entire cost of production from China ticket sales alone. It's a bit of a bonus that Asian Americans are the fastest growing minority group in America.
When Crazy Rich Asians came out a lot of my non Asian friends were like "Hey congrats Asians finally get a movie". This sentiment matched that coming from a lot Asian Americans in mainstream media. I didnt understand all the attention the movie was getting and I thought it was insulting bc there have been and continues to be tons of great movies featuring Asians all the time, coming from Asia. The underlying implication to me atleast was that Crazy Rich Asians mattered bc it was a mainly English speaking movie for a mainly white audience. Other that the movie was just an average romcom. Thats sort of how I frame this video's argument. Does the movie/actor only matter when its for a white English speaking audience? Im happy for Ke Quan but didnt he also have roles in a few Chinese movies during his "time off". Is it possible he's only an average actor with average looks? I think he may have had a hard time getting leading roles is Asia as well. With that said, I loved him in EEAO.
Apples to apples comparison: Christian Bale was also a child actor around the same time as He Quan, also starred in a Spielberg movie, however not as big as Temple of Doom, went on to star in over 50 movies and worked almost his entire life. You can deny racism in Hollywood doesn't exist but you'll also have to deny basic facts and evidence that debunks your assertions
Let's be real, Bale grew up and look like a traditional Hollywood leading man. White, muscular, tall and the often use term "All American" look even though he's not American. That's why he became a big star. Unfortunately for He Quan, he's Asian, not that tall, doesn't have that manly typical Hollywood leading man look and that's why he didn't become a big star when he became an adult. I know Quan is getting all the hype currently, let's see how many roles he'll get after the hype dies down.
@@Bluboy30 The point is that Asian Americans tend to dismiss racism. Don't get me wrong, I bet both Bale and Quan worked hard but to dismiss the subliminal influence of race into their careers is very disingenuous. I just think that asian americans dont want to play the racism card because they want to be that good model minority to be in the graces of white adjancey but they dont have to be mutually exclusive. You can acknowledge that you didnt work hard enough but also take into account the white dominance in media that influences decisions.
Exactly! You can acknowledge that He Quan did not work hard enough in the industry AND the influence of systemic racism in the entertainment industry because it subliminally skews white/euro centric. I swear that asian americans just want to feel that they are above racism but look at all the recent asian hate crimes. They just dont want to be in the bad graces of those in authority even though they are the ones who tend to treat them like crap.
I think its cause since the 70s Asian actors could only be the lead if they knew martial arts. Jackie Chan, Jet Li, Bruce Lee had no problems getting the lead role but they were always playing a guy who just fights in an action movie. At the end of the day it is a business though, and other then those 3 there's no asian actor imo thats guaranteed box office draw. Even now Simu Liu is only the lead with the backing of being an MCU character. Ive never seen him in anything else as a leading man cause I dont know how big a draw he actually is without crutch of playing a superhero
I have one. Why medical drama there are less Asian nurses as we all know that in reality there's a lot and mostly Asian nurses are Filipinos. Are just focus on white artist to portray nurses or just don't care about the reality but focus on the drama.
The women in the xxx adult industry are highly demanding all those good looking asian dudes who can perform well in front of the camera 🎥 that and they’ll love to make an Asian style xxx drama that kinda resemble all the other asian dramas that alot of people watch
Hello guys! I am enjoying watching your "Asian" videos. Like my earlier comments I still find mass dislike of Asians hard to believe. I am not being super left virtuous signaling. In fact I am much to the Right. Again, in my long life I simply have never had any friend express Anti-Asian words or deeds. Perhaps you may consider investigating successful stories of Asians integrating into American culture at all levels. You may also consider that sometimes it is the Asians who resist acculturation. I do understand how it feels. I am a second generation Irish Catholic. It was difficult breaking into Wasp banks of the day. Well be good and be happy.
This is a good idea, one example off the top of my head is MC Jin the chinese freestyle battle rapper. He was almost universally accepted by all peoples and he was insanely popular in a Non asian centric cultural niche
Yeah we did go over this and found out that Indians are Asians. Indians are from India, an Asian country hence Asian. "Asian" is NOT a phenotype. Y'all have got to learn the difference between the demonym "Asian" and "ESEA (East Asian/Southeast Asian). Stop conflating the two. How many times do we need to go over this??? The rest of the world gets this but y'all don't? 💀
@@saeefa Nope asian is now a conrgegation of chinese japanese korean looking peoples, Indians share more looks and behaviours to arabs from afghanistan iraq iran. Good try tho
@@user-jt3dw6vv4x Nope definitions change over time and the consensus is that Asian is now being used as a phenotype based on looks and behaviour. Indians are closer to arabs iraq aghanistan iran etc.
Racism against Asian men in the entertainment industry is starting to come to light, so Hollywood must be trying to get ahead of the controversy
Still not even close to enough, though, for instance, the only male marvel hero, who got their own movie… Who also didn’t have a love interest… Was Shang Chi.
Also Asian men are all competitive with one another. So it doesn't help that we're always trying to get on top of one another instead of lifting each other up.
Well the problem is that the entertainment industry in the West is controlled by or run mainly by liberal Jews and they will make false claims that they are not racist and use another excuse it won’t sell if they use Asian male actors.
SMH the hell with them they hating as always but not the women smh
@@TomChenLife sad the hell with them too smh again hating as always smh
Sadly for He Quan and many Asian actors back in the 80s and 90s, there weren't that many lead roles for them in Hollywood. Most roles for Asians back in those days were mostly token Asian person, love interest (only applied to female Asians) or playing a villain. For the youngsters out there, Jackie Chan actually tried to make it in Hollywood in the early 80s before he gave up and went back to Hong Kong and became a big star. He made two Hollywood produced films in the early 80s and both of them tanked at the box office. They tried to make him into a combination of Bruce Lee and Clint Eastwood and it didn't work.
Jackie Chan was already a big deal in Hong Kong in the 70s before he tried Hollywood. But the rest of your point stands.
@@bigbigdog If you're alive and know of Jackie Chan back in the 70s, then I'll take your words for it. I was very young in the 80s and grew up in Southeast Asia and Chan aka Zern Loung, was the king of action star. I saw The Protector in Thailand, his last Hollywood produced film and I didn't really like it.
@@Bluboy30 Yes, check out "Snake in the Eagle's Shadow" and "Drunken Master". Later he got even bigger with the "Police Story" and "Project A" series in the 80s.
@@bigbigdog Brah, I've seen ALL of Chan's films from the 70s, 80s and 90s. Drunken Master is one of my favorite Chan's films. He decided to make Police Story because he didn't like how The Protector turned out. The Protector was directed by an American director and Chan didn't see eye to eye with him. In fact, Chan re-edited the film for the Asian markets.
@@albback8176 Well, maybe to you and many people here in the West. But to many of us that were born in the Far East, Jackie Chan was the king of box office many years before Rush Hour came out. The only reason he decided to come back to Hollywood was because his friend Sly Stallone convinced him to do it. In fact, his two Hong Kong produced films, Rumble in the Bronx and Super Cop opened in 1996 and 1997 respectively. Both films did well at the box office and in 1998, Rush Hour opened and Chan became a super star here in the West.
When Joy Luck Club came out, I thought that it was pretty cool at first. But then I wondered if Hollywood would have allowed for a similar movie humanizing asian men at that time, and the answer was no. The west is more inclusive towards Asian women in general, while Asian men are more likely to be seen as perpetual foreigners. It’s slowly changing now, but there’s much more room for improvement.
Also Hollywood tends to fetishise Asian women in a lot of the roles prior to metoo.
An example of systemic racism is the story of Chloe Bennett (Agents of Shield) who didn't get any callbacks because of her original name Chloe Wang.
sad smh
You guys need to get these 2 on your podcast to tell their stories/experience in their own words.
Let's be honest ever since Hollywood saw Bruce Lee they decided they weren't going to allow an east asian men to be represented positively in society because they saw that Bruce Lee wanted a better future for actors that looked like him. Even during the silent film era they were keen on using east asian actors as main characters to be villfied and once they used them they basically disposed of them
They are rejected for being Asian men. There are few lead roles for Asian men and usually have to play racially degrading stereotyped characters.
Such an original comment
Hollywood wanted them to keep being the butt of the jokes
This is part of my focus this year is to write stories and screenplays, we need to create for ourselves no one's going to tell our story otherwise!
Bruce Lee had to faced the same racism. Bruce Lee made out well in Hong Kong in Golden Harvest production in block buster movies such as, among favorites, Enter The Dragon 🐉
I really appreciate the topics you guys are putting into light on your channel even if I am French from the West Indies !!! Take care peace ✌🏽
Been livestreaming on twitch off and on and now I'm starting to devote a lot more time to it. This year one of my goals is to start making youtube videos as well and you guys are a huge inspiration to me. I appreciate all the hard work you guys and your team puts into this content
Rajiv Surendra reminded me of that feeling where you thought you aced the test but get a 67. But at least he's doing something he's passionate for! Hope to see him in a cameo of some sorts LOL
Have you guys done a deep dive into "The Joy Luck Club" and its demonization of Asian men?
Thank you guys for talking about this
Most Asian parents don't encourage their kids to be actors or artists. Asians are expected to be doctors, scholars, and engineers.
If you guys have ever watched Bruce lee story back in the 90s you'll see how he struggle.. to get into the Hollywood and they only took him because he's incredible in martial art. That was the green Hornet series where they dont want him to take off his mask because people don't want to see his chinese eyes. Bruce went back to China to make movies and becomes more successful there with movies like way of the dragon before they finally acknowledge him and people misses the green Hornet guy which asian can only play only as a sidekick in the Hollywood not as the "main character" thats right being an Asian you can only play a sidekick role. So when they acknowledge Bruce finally made a stand to his last movie enter the dragon. Linda was very supportive and love Bruce so much no matter the racist he face in school but it gotta put a tears in your eyes when Bruce was gonna go to China and maybe live there because he has an argument with Linda that Bruce is not gonna be a star because he's just a little China man..they were in debt and losing money but Linda just loves her husband. It wasn't just a different culture argument. All I know is the standard in Hollywood is youths speak English like American because many viewers tends to mock accents even Stallone and Arnold was mocked let alone Asians. Secondly..usa people tends to lose interest once they see the American show is lead actored by asian maybe it was the looks, height and physical standards that they dont think asian is not qualified. One thing is for sure..3rd and 4rth citizens are Asians and hispanic, immigrants while battling for top 1 and 2nd are dark and light Americans it doesn't matter..any of them can get the main character roles and usa will support them.
Andrew hit the nail on the head when he said that the entertainment industry is all about capitalism. In the past, Hollywood did care about catering to any Asian people. There was no "Asian market" or "Chinese market." But now there is. I think in Hollywood, one huge game changer was the Transformers franchise, because that was huge in China. The studio made billions of dollars in China alone. So Hollywood started to make more and more movies to appeal to the Asian market. And that then led to films such as Crazy Rich Asians and Shang Chi. Then on television, you had Fresh Off the Boat and Squid Game becoming huge hits.
And there was no way Disney would've put out a live action Mulan movie back in the 1980s. It would've been too big of a gamble. But today? They know they could make up the entire cost of production from China ticket sales alone.
It's a bit of a bonus that Asian Americans are the fastest growing minority group in America.
You start your own production company and build your brand. Don't rely Hollywood.
They should talk about
" physical 100 " the viral korean physical competition show on netflix
When Crazy Rich Asians came out a lot of my non Asian friends were like "Hey congrats Asians finally get a movie". This sentiment matched that coming from a lot Asian Americans in mainstream media. I didnt understand all the attention the movie was getting and I thought it was insulting bc there have been and continues to be tons of great movies featuring Asians all the time, coming from Asia. The underlying implication to me atleast was that Crazy Rich Asians mattered bc it was a mainly English speaking movie for a mainly white audience. Other that the movie was just an average romcom. Thats sort of how I frame this video's argument. Does the movie/actor only matter when its for a white English speaking audience? Im happy for Ke Quan but didnt he also have roles in a few Chinese movies during his "time off". Is it possible he's only an average actor with average looks? I think he may have had a hard time getting leading roles is Asia as well. With that said, I loved him in EEAO.
never give up no matter what and also keep an open mind and heart.
Lol, not to distract from the seriousness of the video, but Andrew's expression at 17:15 😂
Hollywood used to be so racist well right now it's nice to see more diversity in American fims.
Apples to apples comparison: Christian Bale was also a child actor around the same time as He Quan, also starred in a Spielberg movie, however not as big as Temple of Doom, went on to star in over 50 movies and worked almost his entire life. You can deny racism in Hollywood doesn't exist but you'll also have to deny basic facts and evidence that debunks your assertions
Let's be real, Bale grew up and look like a traditional Hollywood leading man. White, muscular, tall and the often use term "All American" look even though he's not American. That's why he became a big star. Unfortunately for He Quan, he's Asian, not that tall, doesn't have that manly typical Hollywood leading man look and that's why he didn't become a big star when he became an adult. I know Quan is getting all the hype currently, let's see how many roles he'll get after the hype dies down.
@@Bluboy30 The point is that Asian Americans tend to dismiss racism. Don't get me wrong, I bet both Bale and Quan worked hard but to dismiss the subliminal influence of race into their careers is very disingenuous. I just think that asian americans dont want to play the racism card because they want to be that good model minority to be in the graces of white adjancey but they dont have to be mutually exclusive. You can acknowledge that you didnt work hard enough but also take into account the white dominance in media that influences decisions.
Exactly! You can acknowledge that He Quan did not work hard enough in the industry AND the influence of systemic racism in the entertainment industry because it subliminally skews white/euro centric. I swear that asian americans just want to feel that they are above racism but look at all the recent asian hate crimes. They just dont want to be in the bad graces of those in authority even though they are the ones who tend to treat them like crap.
I think its cause since the 70s Asian actors could only be the lead if they knew martial arts. Jackie Chan, Jet Li, Bruce Lee had no problems getting the lead role but they were always playing a guy who just fights in an action movie. At the end of the day it is a business though, and other then those 3 there's no asian actor imo thats guaranteed box office draw. Even now Simu Liu is only the lead with the backing of being an MCU character. Ive never seen him in anything else as a leading man cause I dont know how big a draw he actually is without crutch of playing a superhero
I have one. Why medical drama there are less Asian nurses as we all know that in reality there's a lot and mostly Asian nurses are Filipinos. Are just focus on white artist to portray nurses or just don't care about the reality but focus on the drama.
And yet they are always giving bollywood sh*t for showing reality 😅😭
Haha his Quen impersonation was so good lmao
Indy should pass the torch to Short Round
Where’s Kevin from *Home Alone* now?
Cracking Asian jokes because he's married to an Asian woman.
Ke Huy Quan should have his own Indiana Jones spin-off as the next Indiana 😊
If he was white, he would have a big hollywood career.
@@SuperJay12jay I’m glad he wasn’t Caucasian so he can bloom later in life as an Asian 😏
David, please get a mic stand bro! lol. Good one brothers!
The women in the xxx adult industry are highly demanding all those good looking asian dudes who can perform well in front of the camera 🎥 that and they’ll love to make an Asian style xxx drama that kinda resemble all the other asian dramas that alot of people watch
Oh snap the homie Short Round
*ERNIE REYES*
I think being typecasted is the real issue.
Harold and Kumar
Hello guys! I am enjoying watching your "Asian" videos. Like my earlier comments I still find mass dislike of Asians hard to believe. I am not being super left virtuous signaling. In fact I am much to the Right. Again, in my long life I simply have never had any friend express Anti-Asian words or deeds. Perhaps you may consider investigating successful stories of Asians integrating into American culture at all levels. You may also consider that sometimes it is the Asians who resist acculturation. I do understand how it feels. I am a second generation Irish Catholic. It was difficult breaking into Wasp banks of the day. Well be good and be happy.
This is a good idea, one example off the top of my head is MC Jin the chinese freestyle battle rapper. He was almost universally accepted by all peoples and he was insanely popular in a Non asian centric cultural niche
I don't like today's Hollywood anyway being a MAGA.
Indians are not Asians I thought we just went over this, we not going by geography hen referring to asian but phenotype
Only k pop,anime, karate kids are asians
Asian is a geographical term and it is not a race
Yeah we did go over this and found out that Indians are Asians. Indians are from India, an Asian country hence Asian. "Asian" is NOT a phenotype. Y'all have got to learn the difference between the demonym "Asian" and "ESEA (East Asian/Southeast Asian). Stop conflating the two. How many times do we need to go over this??? The rest of the world gets this but y'all don't? 💀
@@saeefa Nope asian is now a conrgegation of chinese japanese korean looking peoples, Indians share more looks and behaviours to arabs from afghanistan iraq iran. Good try tho
@@user-jt3dw6vv4x Nope definitions change over time and the consensus is that Asian is now being used as a phenotype based on looks and behaviour. Indians are closer to arabs iraq aghanistan iran etc.